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So Abigail, we'll have you for only one hour, so we'll be efficient, we'll have a short

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intro and you'll speak for some 15 minutes and we'll have 45 minutes for a conversation

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with you.

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So everybody welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and this meeting,

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these meetings and this group was started by Stephen Frost in 2021, a British trained

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medical doctor who's based in Wales to champion truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health

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in the face of global challenges.

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At this time we remember Reiner Formick and Arno van Kessel, two lawyers who fight for

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freedom and truth.

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Reiner is corruptly jailed by the German government and Arno van Kessel is being corruptly attacked

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by the Dutch government.

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We ask you to share the news about these courageous men.

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I'm Charles Covers, your moderator in Australia.

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I was a lawyer for 20 years.

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I've been a professional speaker for 33 years amongst the crucial work I do as Chief Executive

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of an industrial hemp company.

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Industrial hemp is going to play a crucial role in the future of humanity.

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Take a deep interest in industrial hemp everybody.

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Our group is a wide blend of voices from all around the world.

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A key strategy of our group in our fight is exposing medical crimes, rallying behind

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the core crafted for us by John Rappaport of Medical Truth Now.

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And Abigail Forman, our guest today, is certainly talking about matters medical and the false

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words that are being told.

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So it's a very apocyt, it's a very apocyt principle here, Abigail.

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There are many medical truths that need to be properly exposed.

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I haven't got time.

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I'm not going to give you the truncated introduction today because of Abigail's limited time.

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But one truth now is that it is a blatant misrepresentation for anybody to claim that

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you must take a jab to protect another person.

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That is such a fraud.

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When anybody says it to you, you laugh in their face and ask them, how do you mean?

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We're in the thick of a global struggle we call it World War Three with medical and scientific

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battles among 12 battle fronts.

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The spiritual battle front is another, the legal battle front is another.

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We're over six years into this fight with more to come.

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There's no room for weariness.

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Stay strong, stay healthy.

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We'll hear from Abigail Forman, our guest presenter, followed by Q&A and, per tradition,

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Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes.

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As I say, we only have Abigail for the first hour.

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This is a free speech haven.

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Free speech is our weapon to safeguard human liberties.

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If something offends you, own it.

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We lovingly sidestep the outraged culture and its demands to silence truth.

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However, we choose love over fear.

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Fear binds and sickens, love liberates, heals, inspires.

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These twice weekly gatherings are far from mere talk.

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They have birthed real world actions and alliances, too many to mention.

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So we're thrilled to welcome Abigail, our guest today.

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A huge thanks to Stephen Frost for founding this group and organizing Abigail to speak

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to us.

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And let me read to you a short bio of Abigail that's got a slight variation to the written,

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to the bio in the invitation.

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So Abigail is a public policy analyst.

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She served in the Minnesota House of Representatives for two terms from 2014 and 2018, where she

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authored many pieces of pro-family legislation.

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During this time, she also co-founded the Minnesota Legislative Chapter of the Congressional

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Prayer Caucus Foundation.

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Abigail also worked for four years overseas as the Director of Public Affairs for Right

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to Life UK, where she was responsible for writing to and engaging members of parliament.

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Most recently, Abigail is primary author of a comprehensive academic white paper exposing

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the horror of the 700,000 aborted babies from chemical abortions that are being flushed

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into home toilets and placed into our water system.

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Abigail holds a magna cum laude bachelor's degree in political science and history as

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a master of public policy from the University of Minnesota.

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Abigail and her husband have four children and currently reside in North Carolina.

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Abigail, over to you.

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We are in your hands.

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Well, thank you again so much for having me.

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And I really look forward to a robust conversation on this topic.

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Just to begin, it is a challenging topic in many ways.

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It's really not fun to think about.

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This group I am aware is familiar with topics that are not fun to think about.

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The government has not done its job in many ways, and that's true across the globe.

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While the presentation I usually give is prepared and tailored for American audiences, I've

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tweaked a few things, but they're still probably a US bent.

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But stick with me because it really does have global application.

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Because chemical abortions are the most common form of abortion worldwide and most wastewater

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treatment systems aren't developed and are not meant to handle the contamination from

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chemical abortions.

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So I'll just dive in.

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I'm going to share my screen here and then show you a few slides.

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But don't feel you have to catch everything.

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I'll be sure to answer questions and we can get more into it as we go.

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Let me see.

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I need to do this one.

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Let me know when if slash when you can see my screening, it's getting it's getting close.

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It's getting close.

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That's how it works, as you know, takes the time for computers to wake up.

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It says it sharing on my end, but just yeah, let's just let me know when you can see.

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Yes, it's started.

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It's now showing abortion in our water.

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So I as I say, this is a presentation I've given several times.

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I'm going to try and make sure I incorporate the international part of things.

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But just to start, because obviously he is an international figure these days.

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President Trump himself wants crystal clean water.

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He said this in several major speeches.

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It's one of his platform tenants from day one.

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We want crystal clean water, which is great.

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If President Trump wants it, you know, maybe we should tailor what our policy messages

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to that, because he's also unfortunately taken a sort of middle ground stance on chemical

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abortion itself.

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Well, chemical abortion contaminates our water, and it does this in two main ways.

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First, chemical contamination from myth of Christian itself.

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The first stone is the first of a two pill protocol in chemical abortions forms active

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metabolites that retain the ability of the parent drug, the crystal itself to block

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progesterone.

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So a woman takes the pills, they exit her body when she's on the toilet through her urine,

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her feces and the blood and tissue from the baby.

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And those metabolites, these microscopic elements of the drug retain the ability to block

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Well, wastewater treatment plants and drinking water treatment plants are not fully equipped

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to remove this sort of contamination.

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And so it's very likely we are drinking trace elements of this.

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The other form of contamination comes from the aborted fetal tissue itself.

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As I said, this is not fun to think about, but annually, this is the U.S.

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Now, about 700,000 women are flushing their aborted babies with all of the placenta, et

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cetera, down the toilet.

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Wastewater treatment systems weren't meant to dispose of medical waste.

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around what to do with medical waste.

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to give a little bit more background understanding, you would think it fully cleans our water.

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I'm not going to detail everything here.

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I just show this to show, you know, everyone for the most part is going to think, oh, my

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water, of course, my water is clean.

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I'm drinking clean water.

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You know, I live in a major world country, you know, Japan, UK, Sweden, United States.

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I just Google, are there pharmaceuticals in my tap water?

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It's globally, pharmaceuticals in water are an issue.

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And I'm going to explain why we should be doubly concerned about Mifichristone itself

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in our water.

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Now, again, I show this just to summarize what I just said.

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So mother takes the pills.

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ones, the conventional ones are not designed to fully remove pharmaceutical contaminants.

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We know it's very likely.

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I know that another organization has done research on this, Students for Life, and they

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have done a peer reviewed paper that's going to be coming out this summer that has found

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this these chemical metabolites in our drinking water.

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So we see this is not an uncommon issue.

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This, you know, aborted babies themselves, fetuses are very regularly found in wastewater

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treatment plants.

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And as a side issue, it traumatizes the wastewater treatment plant workers who find them because

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it's obviously quite grisly because babies don't break down like feces and toilet paper.

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They're not meant to be flushed.

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Well, the FDA and this is my sort of a U.S. focus here, but I would encourage anybody

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from another country listening, look at your nation's environmental issues.

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I'm not saying that you should look at your nation's environmental laws because it's very

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likely there is some right law or regulation against flushing this sort of medical wave.

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Well, the Clean Water Act outlines that each agency engaged in an activity that may result

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in the discharge or runoff of pollutants.

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So in the U.S., it doesn't have to.

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It just might.

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You need to be sure you're complying with all relevant state, local, federal laws.

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But the FDA under the Clinton administration, when they were legalizing this drug, failed

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to look at any local laws.

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They just estimated that the concentration of the drug in our water would be minimal

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at less than one part per billion.

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They said, therefore, we don't need to do any further study or analysis, which was ridiculous

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on many levels.

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But in addition, in the U.S., we have the National Environmental Policy Act.

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It says every major federal action is significantly affecting the quality of the human environment.

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And in the United States, you have a lot of controversy surrounding certain environmental

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And I'm you know, I probably don't need to get into the detail of what that looks like.

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But there are regulations that say it includes human relationship with the environment.

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Well, my relationship with the environment is sorely damaged by the reality that aborted

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babies are likely in my water.

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That in and of itself reasoned enough for them to do a deeper analysis on this.

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And they didn't.

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So again, in the U.S., they violated environmental law.

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We've been trying to point this out to agencies within the Trump administration, the FDA,

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the EPA, talking to White House domestic policy council staff about this to try to highlight,

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hey, can we go back and revisit this issue?

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Subsequent major actions, again, this is U.S. required a new EA, an environmental assessment.

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So in 2011, Obama's FDA stripped all the safety or implemented the safety protocols, then

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they stripped them back in 2016.

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So most places where chemical abortion is legal, it may have started out lower.

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So we started in the U.S. at seven weeks gestation.

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Well, now it's permitted up to 10 weeks.

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And actually, and I'll give away kind of a preview here, women can get this pill at any

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gestation, because most places don't take the time to actually verify how far along

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they are, which is in addition to an environmental hazard, a danger to the woman herself.

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We also see that the in-person visits went from three down to one.

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And then in 2019, through the engineering version, 2021, this is where COVID comes into play.

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States where now it is legal to just simply mail the pills.

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You do not, women do not need to go to the doctor to get these pills, which is another major

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issue in addition to the environmental issues.

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The last couple of ones, again, we make the mail order permanent in 2023 and then we got

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another generic version of the pill.

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COVID aftermath.

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Big abortion has moved to a mail order model.

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This is profit making for them.

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Obviously, they can close clinics.

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They don't need to have their doctors examine women.

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They don't need to worry about the actual gestation.

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A woman or an abuser, you know, a human trafficker, a boyfriend that didn't want her to

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girlfriend, the girlfriend pregnant can call up, can go online and get these pills and

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they are shipped in the US.

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It's actually illegal, but nobody's enforcing it.

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This is something that I would argue is one of the biggest travesties of COVID.

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This move to chemical abortion.

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And this is again happening globally.

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The risks posed by these abortion pills.

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I'm just going to drill down into this a little bit more.

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And I apologize, I'm speaking fast because I want to make sure we have time for discussion.

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But again, the pill forms act of metabolites in the body.

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They act as endocrine disruptors.

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Endocrine disruptors, you probably, a lot of you, I would imagine, are familiar with these.

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They just disrupt the way your hormones work.

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And they are a growing concern globally.

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The research on the effect of the specific endocrine disrupting abortion pill metabolites is very scarce.

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But evidence today shows we know this from other endocrine disruptors.

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They can be harmful and detrimental to human health.

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And just think of forever chemicals, PFAS.

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The United States has actually taken to regulating at least two of these in parts per trillion.

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Now recall when I said the FDA said, oh no, no, no, we don't have to study this drug any further

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because the concentration in the water is going to be less than one part per billion.

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But now we know that even in parts per trillion endocrine disrupting chemicals can be detrimental over time.

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So what's happening if you're drinking trace amounts of something over decades?

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What's that doing to our health?

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What's that doing to us?

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Like I said, they're a growing concern.

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The Environmental Protection Agency has said they can cause adverse effects,

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which include, I'm just going to highlight one here, you see it bolded, the interference with reproduction.

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And this is a concern because we see a correlation between the increase in chemical abortion and a decrease in fertility.

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This is what's happening in the United States right now.

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Now I am not saying correlation equals causation.

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I know that.

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But what I am saying is we need to determine whether there is causation here

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because that is pretty striking correlation.

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We see this globally as well.

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Infertility affects one in six individuals.

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That's WHO data that we trust the WHO.

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But endometriosis, I'm just using this as an example,

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is present in up to 63% of unexplained infertility in women.

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It's very common.

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Probably some of you know someone with endometriosis.

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They may not have told you they have it, but I know women with it.

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It's very common.

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Well, it can be treated in some cases with synthetic progesterone.

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Are we drinking trace amounts of something that's blocking progesterone?

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Why are so many more women needing this?

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You see this as well with in vitro fertilization.

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With any sort of assisted reproductive technology, when women are trying to get pregnant,

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very often they need to take progesterone to get and stay pregnant.

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Why is that?

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Why are we needing to dose ourselves so much with progesterone?

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Again, I'm not saying causation, but I think it is worthy of asking the question,

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are we drinking trace amounts of something that is designed to block progesterone?

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And so we're saying to the United States at least,

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ask can we prove it's not playing a part?

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And I understand fertility rates are multifactorial, absolutely.

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But again, there's a strong enough correlation here that it is worthy of investigation.

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Examples of the chemical abortion rate globally.

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So here I'm just going to, I just took a sampling.

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I just tried to think of some countries that might be of interest for some folks on the call.

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So I, and I worked in the UK, so I started there.

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Chemical abortion was legalized in 1991, very small percent of abortions.

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Well, now it's the vast majority.

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87% of all abortions are chemical abortions, and that's over 100,000.

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Canada, same thing.

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Sweden and Norway, the Nordic countries, they have almost 100% now.

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The vast, vast majority of their abortions are chemical abortions.

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And interestingly enough, Sweden is one of the few countries, Sweden, China.

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I think there might be one more where they have actually tested their wastewater effluents

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and hospital wastewater and did find Mifucrystone in their wastewater.

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Again, the only study I know of that has tested it in drinking water is in the United States.

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So that's again, part of the issue is we need to find out what the effects are.

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The issue is we need to do more research here.

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Related to the waste issue, we have abortion providers essentially using

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wastewater treatment facilities as their medical waste facilities.

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And this is going to be true globally, as women are essentially expelling

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of their abortive babies down the toilet generators.

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In every other instance, the generator of the medical waste is meant to deal with it.

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So, you know, if a doctor performs surgery and has to amputate, you know, your finger,

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they don't give you as the patient your finger back and say, here, you deal with it.

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No, the generator is meant to be the one that disposes of the medical waste properly.

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Well, in chemical abortions, again, they just tell women to sit on the toilet.

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The result is in the U.S.

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It's about 30 to 60 tons of chemically tainted pathological waste being flushed,

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developing bones, cranial structures, ganglion.

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Again, babies and the related medical waste, they don't break down like other toilet waste does.

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To make matters worse, I'm just going to highlight here an issue that is actually

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also very common globally, which is sewer system overflows.

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In the United States, these are a major concern.

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You know, if you have raw sewage flowing into your streets, that's a public health concern.

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The EPA estimates 23,000 to 75,000 annually, and that equates to approximately 450 billion gallons

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based on the most recent data of raw sewage.

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Now, this raw sewage could be carrying the abortive babies down the toilet.

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This raw sewage could be carrying the abortive babies in,

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and this is all annually released into our lake streams and rivers without treatment.

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Again, just a couple examples, Potomac, major one last January, this 2026,

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over 200 million gallons, massive ecological disaster.

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Sewer overflows in D.C. streets the year before that.

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Again, these are very common.

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And in Europe and the UK, combined sewer overflows were in excess of 650,000.

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The data that I was able to find.

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And then in the UK, they are the cause of, they're seeing chronic under capacity

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of English wastewater systems.

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And again, I would guess most nations, if you do the research, you know,

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it's going to be a similar story.

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Sewer system overflows are actually very common.

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And then I just include this little figure here so you can see more what I'm talking about.

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But you have, you know, the sewage from your toilet goes down into the pipes.

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In most cases, it should go direct to the wastewater treatment plant.

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That's where we want it to go.

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Well, sometimes, particularly in combined sewage,

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this can happen even in a regular sewer, there's an overflow,

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and that just gets discharged into your local lakes to remove the river.

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You know, obviously disturbing on many levels.

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And this I want to highlight to show just some hypocrisy in public policy.

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So public policy, you know, obviously my background, what I went to school for.

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So there's public policy from the Environmental Protection Agency

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to only flush toilet paper.

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This is actually something they said in the COVID era

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because if you're, you know, they wanted to keep people home, as you know,

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they didn't want people to go out and they don't want plumbers

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to have to go unclog people's toilets, et cetera.

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So they're really pushing this only flush toilet paper.

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Like we need to keep our workers safe.

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Don't flush your goldfish.

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Don't flush your baby wipes.

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Only toilet paper.

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Congress passed a bill, I kid you not, in 2026, just recently

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to put do not flush labeling on baby wipes.

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Why?

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Because baby wipes can clog toilets.

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They can contribute to sewer system overflows.

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It was all wipes.

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It was baby wipes, antibacterial wipes, any kind of wipes.

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The FDA, the Food and Drug Administration in the US,

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has said, well, feel free to flush your babies.

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Personally, I find this hypocritical at an astronomical scale.

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And then now consider if this were any other industry or any other context.

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Well, any other industry, I just said, there is scandal.

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Any other industry, the baby wipes industry, the antibacterial wipe industry,

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there are calls to put do not flush labeling on it.

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What about another context?

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Well, I don't know how many of you on this call are going to be familiar with this.

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And it is grisly, and I apologize, but I think it's important for us to know

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Kermit Grosnail, who's one of the most horrific abortion doctors of all time.

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The scandal in the United States about Kermit Grosnail's clinic was through the roof.

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He actually recently passed away.

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God rest his soul and have mercy on him.

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But he went to prison because he would kill babies alive, et cetera.

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But in his clinic, which was called the House of Horrors,

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that was the nickname for it, the House of Horrors,

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one of those horrors was that they would find baby body parts in the toilet.

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They would be flushing them into the plumbing.

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That was horrific.

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That was a scandal.

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It absolutely was a scandal.

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Well, now the FDA says, no worries, we can have that in our plumbing.

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And they basically turned a blind eye to something that about a year ago

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was actually quite horrific to think about.

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This is, again, something we need to be drawing attention to.

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So what do we want to see happen?

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One of the things is to initiate gold standard research.

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The Make America Healthy Again report wants to look at pollutants,

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endocrine disruptors, and pharmaceuticals in our water.

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If it's cristone, it's all three of those things.

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The EPA and HHS recently came out for their contaminant candidate list six

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to put microplastics and pharmaceuticals on it.

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Because it's a priority to research what's this doing for our drinking water.

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Well, obviously, it's the pharmaceutical.

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Secretary Kennedy, I actually had an amazing chance encounter with him at the airport.

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But he has said we need to look at the alarming decline in fertility

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by looking at endocrine disrupting chemicals.

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And so one of the things that we're trying to point out is that's great.

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Do that and make microplastics a focus of that.

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The last quote here that I'll say is further reviewing pharmaceutical products

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with gold standard science.

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This is common sense.

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It's not an attack on science.

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It's what the American people and I would argue the international community deserve.

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We need to know what's in our water.

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Now, there is a potential move.

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So if we regulate moving person, which I think we really need to,

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I would say we need to prohibit it and I could answer questions on that.

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But there is going to be a move from the abortion industry

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to go to Mize and Prostho only abortion.

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Now, we've got a safety review in the United States coming.

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But in response, the abortion industry, even before this,

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they've been pushing Mize and Prostho only abortion.

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Now, Mize and Prostho is the second pill in the two chemical pill abortion protocol.

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And that forces a woman's uterus to contract and expel the child.

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Now, this is a bit different.

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It does not form active metabolites in the same way,

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but it does obviously still generate the medical waste.

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And even if you don't agree that a fetus is a baby,

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say you just want to call it a fetus,

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you can't deny that it is medical waste.

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Blood is a medical waste.

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Blood, body tissue, et cetera.

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So there's a loophole here where the FDA doesn't have to approve it

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because Mize and Prostho is approved for other uses.

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They can just go and start using Mize and Prostho for abortions.

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And like I say, they're already using this.

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Now, if they want to market Mize and Prostho as an abort efficient,

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then they have to go and do a new environmental assessment.

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Now, I say this to say there's still an environmental concern here

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because at 10 weeks gestation, a fetus, a baby, is one inch in size.

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At 12 weeks, it's two inches in size.

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Now, obviously, this is large enough, as I said, to clog toilets.

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And you can Google this.

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There's been reports of fetuses clogging in Israel and in the United States.

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I'm sure elsewhere, this was just the time I had to do a little bit more research

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on the international community.

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But in the U.S., I already showed you all of those,

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all that headlines of babies on the wastewater treatment plants.

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And again, if this can contribute to backing up your toilet

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and or causing environmental concern, it's something worthy of looking at

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because it still has the potential to pollute our environment.

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Now, I'm almost done here, but I want to highlight some of the greater

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emotional and psychological consequences of this.

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And a chemical abortion, unlike in a clinic,

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she's all alone when she's expelling the child.

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And even worse, this is really, really easy.

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As I alluded to this, abusers and sex traffickers

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to get their hands on this drug.

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And there are horror stories.

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You see like dozens and dozens and dozens of these.

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In fact, Rosalie from Louisiana is part of a case

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that's being tried now at the Fifth Circuit.

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You may have heard this, but the Supreme Court recently said

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they're going to continue to allow male-owner abortion

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while this case is ongoing.

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But essentially, she was cornered by her boyfriend.

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She found herself in a room with a man,

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and she was like, she's not going to let her boyfriend,

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she feared for her life.

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He was like saying, you need to take this pill right now,

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take this pill.

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And so now she's suing because the protocols in the United

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States weren't strong enough to help her.

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It's just really sad and tragic when you start

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to read all these stories.

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They're hard to read.

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Mail order, pills by post protocol,

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foregoes all common sense and best medical practice.

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I just like to say common sense.

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Like if you are going to be taking an abortion pill

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and you need to verify gestation.

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I had four kids.

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My first one, I could have not known I was pregnant

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for several weeks.

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Now I did, obviously we were trying,

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but there's not a lot.

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I never had morning sickness.

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I didn't have a lot of signs of that.

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You need to go to see where is your gestation.

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Because if you're 16, 17, in the UK,

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there was a tragic case, Carla Farsler.

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She was 34 weeks pregnant, and she got her hands on these pills.

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That is traumatic, not only because of the blood and hemorrhage

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and you're essentially delivering a baby in your bathroom.

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But women don't always know what they're doing.

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They don't realize what they're doing.

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They think they're going to see tissue,

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not a tiny fully formed fetus.

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But again, all of these things are common sense.

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You need to rule out ectopic pregnancies.

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I can explain what that is.

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RH negative blood types, you need to rule that out

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or ensure you administer a shot afterward.

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And again, there's no way to rule out coercion.

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So again, women with hemorrhage in the US,

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complication rates are extremely high, one in 10 women.

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And again, the mother is often traumatized.

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And there are so many stories of women who said,

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I didn't know I'd be released.

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They're calling up their grandparents and saying,

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what just happened?

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I didn't realize I was going to see,

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I could tell it was a little baby, 10 fingers, 10 toes.

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And they don't want to go into their bathrooms anymore.

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The rate of depression, et cetera, all of that is higher.

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And the mother feels like to,

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because really her abortion was not a heavy period.

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That's what they're told.

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Oh, it'll be like a heavy period.

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You might have some cramping, take a Tylenol.

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Some women, the pain is so severe

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because they're essentially giving birth.

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They feel like they're going to die.

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They have no idea.

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So ideally, we'd love to see mythic presone suspended

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off the market until you do the environmental assessment.

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We're using environmental law, by the way,

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because a lot of the strategies that are being used

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to try to regulate this drug protocol aren't working.

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They're just not.

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We see an increase in abortion rates, not a decrease.

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And so we're saying like, well, let's,

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you don't have to be pro-life to want clean drinking water.

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So let's do the gold standard research.

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Let's figure out what's going on.

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Let's ensure, at least in the US,

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you're complying with all relevant laws on water quality

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and let's look at some sanitary disposal protocols

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and ideally require a truly informed consent here.

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We need women to know what's going on.

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So we want to challenge everyone listening

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get educated, go to AbortionNurseWater.org

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and I can go through some action steps.

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But I just want to highlight, I'll put these up

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and I can put this in the chat as well.

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The main thing is what I'd love to see is for people

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when they talk about abortion, it does three things.

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It obviously kills the baby farms women

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but it contaminates our water.

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And I think that we need to be talking about that.

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You can again, check out our website.

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The EPA is taking comments from the women

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on its contaminated candidate list.

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It's every five years they do this.

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So we're asking folks to submit a comment to that

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and then reaching out to your lawmakers

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and just giving them to be aware as well.

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So with that, I'm happy to take some questions.

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So Abigail, what's the link to Abortion in Our Water,

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the website?

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AbortionInOurWater.org

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So all one word, AbortionInOurWater.org

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and I put it in the chat.

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So you should hopefully be able to find it.

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So I'll put it in the chat.

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So I'll put it in the chat.

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And I put it in the chat.

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So you should hopefully be able to see that.

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Okay.

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And secondly, are you happy to share your slides

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so that people can share it around the world?

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Yes, I'm very happy to do that.

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So if you email that to me, I'll put it in the chat

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so you don't have to worry about it

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so that you can answer the questions

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for the 25 minutes that we have you.

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Thank you so much, everybody.

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Stephen, we'll come to you.

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You've answered the question, Abigail,

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that these drugs are designed for up to 10 weeks,

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theoretically, correct?

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Correct.

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Okay.

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And two inches is a common size of the fetus of the baby?

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One inch at 10 weeks.

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And then at 12 weeks, you get up to two, two inches.

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So the pills have been approved, quote unquote,

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approved by the WHO for up to 12 weeks.

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Up to 12, got you.

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Thank you.

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The United States is 10 weeks.

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But I would argue that 12 weeks is too far.

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And again, the main issue is there's no gestation verification.

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So, you know, women, it's very common for them

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to not remember their last menstrual period.

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They may not know.

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But yes, theoretically, 10 weeks,

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but it's used much later than that.

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Yep, thank you.

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And the other point, I think, I want to bring out to your,

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everyone's attention is that today, May the 17th, 2026,

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President Trump is rededicating the USA to God.

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Yes.

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So I'll put the link into the chat, everybody.

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So May 17, put that into your, into your memory bank.

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All right, Stephen Frost, are you there?

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Thank you so much, Abigail, for sharing this important message.

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I have no idea what the numbers are in Australia,

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but I will find out.

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Yep, I'm here.

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Hi, hi, hi. There you are.

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Hi, Abigail.

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Thank you so much for speaking to us.

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I just wanted to, I'm not an expert in this area.

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I'm a medical doctor, but I've never professed to be an expert in obstetrics.

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So I just wanted to ask you, have you,

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who have you tried to raise this with officially?

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And through maybe open letters?

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And what success, if any, have you had?

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Have you experienced any pushback?

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Attempted to silence you?

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Yes, really good question.

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So we started with reaching out to the Environmental Protection Agency in the United States.

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We met with staff at the EPA.

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We requested a meeting with the administrator, Lee Zeldin.

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One of my colleagues actually was able to speak to him in person about the issue.

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Side conversation, it wasn't an official meeting, but he did.

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He was able to speak to him and present it.

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Now, unfortunately, Lee Zeldin doesn't seem to remember this meeting.

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And that's a whole unfortunate controversy.

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So we actually did a press release because he test,

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Lee Zeldin testified in the hearing that he did not know anything about abortion in our water,

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which is either, either he's, his staff aren't doing their job well,

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and he just doesn't remember the meeting, or he was lying.

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Because not only have we brought this to the attention of the Environmental Protection Agency,

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but so have Students for Life.

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We're trying to highlight this to get environmental law in the United States to be enforced

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because they violated environmental law when they approved the drug in 2000.

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And, you know, and I didn't mention this, but on the website, there's a table.

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We put together all the violations going through, you know, for example,

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they should have done an objective environmental assessment.

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Well, the environmental assessment was done by the Population Council.

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They were the ones that wanted the drugs approval.

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They clearly had an interest in profiting from the drug,

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just as I'm sure you are all well over, pharmaceutical companies do.

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They also had ties to the eugenics movement.

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Let that sink in.

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So clearly the Population Council itself was not going to be objective.

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And that's again, this is just another violation of our law.

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Sorry, back to your question.

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So the FDA, we actually met with former Commissioner McCarrey.

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FDA Commissioner McCarrey was recently resigned and has been replaced,

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but we met with him, talked to him about it.

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He was viscerally moved when we talked about, you know, a misoprostol-only abortion

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because I don't know that I mentioned this.

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In a misoprostol-only abortion, the baby is born alive.

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And so women will see a live little fetus 10 weeks, 12 weeks,

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or whatever gestation she is in the toilet.

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And so the trauma is exponentially worse.

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And so in addition to highlighting the environmental harms,

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we need to be highlighting the trauma women can undergo.

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And so you talk about reception, they received it really well.

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He wasn't aware.

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He was glad that we brought it to his attention.

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Now I'm hoping we've requested a meeting with the new Commissioner

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or acting Commissioner, I should say,

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I'm hoping to get that meeting in place soon here.

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But the acting Commissioner has talked with other leaders on this issue.

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They are doing a safety review on the drugs themselves.

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So that's exciting to see.

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And then the final thing, and I actually maybe should have mentioned this

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in my presentation, but I was trying to make sure I was concise.

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We met with White House Domestic Policy Council staff a couple different times,

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and we presented this issue when they did their MAHA strategy.

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So they did a MAHA report in May.

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They released their strategy in August.

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And one of the folks that we met with actually let us know that language was

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included in that report that said we need to, you know,

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they're recommending looking at pharmaceuticals in our water.

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They said that was a direct result of our meeting, which was really encouraging.

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You know, so they seem to be taking it seriously to an extent,

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but we're wanting it to go beyond just pharmaceuticals.

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You need to look at Mipah Pristone specifically because no other

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pharmaceutical was intentionally developed and FDA approved to be lethal in nature.

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So there are other drugs and it forms the actin metabolites and it generates

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medical waste. No other drug does all those things.

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So it was designed to be lethal, generates medical waste.

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And in any other context, like I say, there are proper disposal protocols for

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medical waste.

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Like a hospital can't flush its medical waste down the toilet.

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And then it forms these actin metabolites.

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You might find another drug that has one or two of those things,

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but no other drug is all three.

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And so that's why it really does deserve heightened scrutiny.

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Oh, and then we've met with congressional offices.

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We gave all offices that we've met with actually all members a copy of our

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white paper, the comprehensive white paper on the topic.

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And that's had good reception.

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There are, there is actually interest in holding a congressional hearing on this,

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which we would love to see, love to see that happen.

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So we're praying that one in just because the American people, I mean,

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everyone we need to, you know, we deserve to be aware of what's going on and

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what's in our water.

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So Congress wants do not flush labeling on baby wipes.

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And the FDA says essentially, feel free to flush babies down the toilet.

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So that's pretty worrying.

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It's also the kind of thing that the public will understand.

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So, so I just wonder whether you've considered writing an open letter to the

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FDA in particular, or to whomever you hold to be most at fault,

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because it seems to be the game that one body is blaming another body.

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And that's not satisfactory.

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The big picture is that, you know, they're contradicting.

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So government essentially or whatever, it, it,

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they're contradicting themselves.

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Do not flush and then feel free, feel free to flush your babies down the

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toilet. So, and the last question I wanted to ask you,

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I think Charles was trying to get to the bottom of it.

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These pills that are being used to chemically induce abortion.

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What's the maximum, you know, period of gestation that they work for?

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Are you saying that they work?

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Did I hear you say earlier that they work into the third trimester?

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They do. And that's the tragedy.

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So I'd say to your first question, we,

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we actually did write a letter to the FDA and open letter when they approved

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the generic version in 2015.

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I'm so sorry, I forgot to mention that that's actually what led us to get the

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meeting with commissioner McCarrey.

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So we wrote the, and that's,

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that letter is on our website if you want to take a look, but we,

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we actually do want to do another letter because obviously there's a new

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commissioner acting commissioner now.

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Absolutely. Yeah, really good. But yes, unfortunately,

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these pills will work at any gestation.

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So progesterone is a vital fertility hormone.

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Many women need it to get and stay pregnant and have a protective

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fertility. Well,

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Mifichristone blocks it and it will block it at any gestation.

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So the case that I'm aware of, and you know, it's awful.

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This poor woman, Carla Foster, she, you know, is during COVID.

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She lied about her gestation.

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Obviously the, it was B pass, you know, sending her pills,

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didn't verify it.

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And she is haunted. She said in her,

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and I'll spare you all the details of what's going on in the UK.

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You probably, you are, might be familiar.

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But she said, I'm haunted. I'm haunted by my child's face.

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She named her child, Lily, because it was a child. And she,

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you know, she should have had, you know,

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at the very, very least. And you probably noticed the practice of medicine,

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you don't give, you know,

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the solution or the prescription unless you are sure of your diagnosis.

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And so they thought the diagnosis was that she's 10 weeks pregnant.

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She's 34 weeks pregnant.

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It's just common sense that they have,

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they should verify that and they would do that in any other, you know,

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medical setting, but you know,

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try to find out if she's pregnant or not.

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You know,

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medical setting, but you know, tragically,

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the abortion issue has become so controversial that it seems to be impervious to scrutiny.

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The abortion pill itself,

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it seems that there's jiggery-pokery going on there because they're leading people to believe that they only work up to the,

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in the first trimester essentially.

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And, but actually they work into the third trimester.

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That's also a very emotive issue,

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which if you put it in an open letter and put these people on notice, you know,

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the ones you consider to be most at fault,

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they would have difficulty defending.

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I think you've got your meeting with various people,

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essentially maybe to keep you quiet, you know,

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because the meeting looks as though they're doing something,

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but I suspect they'll do nothing.

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I don't know the reasons for that, but anyway,

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thank you so much for speaking to us, Abigail.

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And by the way,

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try to watch that amazing BBC play,

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which was from years ago called Abigail's Party.

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I'll try. I'll look that up. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you, Stephen.

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We'll be tight, Abigail,

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be tight on your answers because I know you can give extensive answers.

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So give short, we've got Judith,

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you'll have to wait after Mark.

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Steal, Judith.

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So you'll give your hand up. Good. Well done.

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Okay, Daria.

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So keep the questions short, everybody.

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Yeah, this is real fast. Thank you.

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Thank you, David.

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Thank you, David.

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Thank you, David.

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Thank you, David.

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Thank you, Abigail.

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This fantastic presentation.

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And it is probably the one topic that could pull people in of

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different political orientations.

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And specifically this environmental issue.

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I was thinking of like the green party.

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And others as well.

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But I was curious if there's any evidence.

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Regarding this contamination of the water supply as affecting any

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of the other issues that are happening in the water.

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And I'm wondering if there's any evidence that this is a harm to

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wildlife and also to just domestic animals.

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Really good question.

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Unfortunately.

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To the.

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Similar issue with, is it in our drinking water?

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The research is very scarce.

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So that's part of why we're trying to highlight this.

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It's to say, do the research.

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Cause we know like other chemicals,

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like estrogens and things like that in the water.

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Can affect fish, but there are three studies I'm aware of.

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And they did find that there is.

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Potential for harm to interfere with reproduction.

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In the African.

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Frog and.

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The sea urchin.

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The fish.

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The Nile tilapia.

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So it's all, it's in our academic white paper,

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abortion in our water.

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Or.

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If you just, you know, go to that section.

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You'll see more detail.

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And then we have the,

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the research that we're doing on the water.

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Thank you so much.

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Right.

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Thank you.

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Great question.

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Victor.

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Hey, I was just wondering.

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You know, they test for these.

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You know, chemicals and stuff coming out.

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And.

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You know, it's like in the nanograms.

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Per liter.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

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And.

831
0:43:09 --> 0:43:10
And.

832
0:43:10 --> 0:43:11
And.

833
0:43:11 --> 0:43:12
Come from the boats.

834
0:43:12 --> 0:43:14
The tricked em fasting.

835
0:43:14 --> 0:43:15
And.

836
0:43:15 --> 0:43:16
And the.

837
0:43:16 --> 0:43:17
And.

838
0:43:17 --> 0:43:18
And.

839
0:43:18 --> 0:43:19
And.

840
0:43:19 --> 0:43:20
And.

841
0:43:20 --> 0:43:21
And.

842
0:43:21 --> 0:43:22
And.

843
0:43:22 --> 0:43:23
And.

844
0:43:23 --> 0:43:25
And.

845
0:43:25 --> 0:43:26
And.

846
0:43:26 --> 0:43:27
And.

847
0:43:27 --> 0:43:28
And.

848
0:43:28 --> 0:43:29
And.

849
0:43:29 --> 0:43:30
And.

850
0:43:30 --> 0:43:31
And.

851
0:43:31 --> 0:43:32
When it's in the sea it's like 10,000 liters.

852
0:43:32 --> 0:43:33
Is that?

853
0:43:33 --> 0:43:35
Which is almost 10,000 liters.

854
0:43:35 --> 0:43:36
In three days.

855
0:43:36 --> 0:43:37
If it was later.

856
0:43:37 --> 0:43:38
Range,

857
0:43:38 --> 0:43:39
so you know.

858
0:43:39 --> 0:43:44
going to be able to detect this stuff.

859
0:43:44 --> 0:43:47
If I understand your question correctly, is the question,

860
0:43:47 --> 0:43:51
do we think it's really trace contamination can still

861
0:43:51 --> 0:43:52
cause harm?

862
0:43:52 --> 0:43:54
Is that the question?

863
0:43:54 --> 0:43:57
Yeah, at this nanogram level.

864
0:43:57 --> 0:43:58
Yeah, and that's a fair question.

865
0:43:58 --> 0:44:01
It's good, because that was part of the reason the FDA said,

866
0:44:01 --> 0:44:02
no, it won't cause harm.

867
0:44:02 --> 0:44:04
It's so minimal, it's not going to cause harm.

868
0:44:04 --> 0:44:07
Well, our question, two part answer, one is,

869
0:44:07 --> 0:44:09
what's that doing over time?

870
0:44:09 --> 0:44:11
If you're drinking trace elements of this over time,

871
0:44:11 --> 0:44:14
over decades, particularly if it lasts long.

872
0:44:14 --> 0:44:17
So it's a long lasting chemical, and it has a long half life.

873
0:44:22 --> 0:44:25
If you're ingesting it faster than you're excreting it,

874
0:44:25 --> 0:44:27
you know that there's going to be a potential for harm.

875
0:44:27 --> 0:44:28
And that's part of the issue with forever chemicals,

876
0:44:28 --> 0:44:30
you know, PFAS in our water.

877
0:44:30 --> 0:44:33
It's parts per trillion use that really trace.

878
0:44:33 --> 0:44:34
You think there's no way.

879
0:44:34 --> 0:44:36
Most of us, if you don't know this already,

880
0:44:36 --> 0:44:38
most of us have these chemicals,

881
0:44:38 --> 0:44:39
forever chemicals in our body.

882
0:44:39 --> 0:44:42
And you probably have other pharmaceuticals in your body too,

883
0:44:42 --> 0:44:43
pharmaceuticals that you didn't take,

884
0:44:43 --> 0:44:45
because it's in your drinking water,

885
0:44:45 --> 0:44:47
and you drink water every day, I'm assuming.

886
0:44:48 --> 0:44:50
So yeah, but it's a good question.

887
0:44:50 --> 0:44:51
It's a good question.

888
0:44:51 --> 0:44:52
All right, so Victor, we'll move on.

889
0:44:52 --> 0:44:54
I don't know, we haven't got time for discussion,

890
0:44:54 --> 0:44:57
but it's a great question that you ask.

891
0:44:57 --> 0:44:58
Merrill.

892
0:44:58 --> 0:45:03
Hello, I really appreciated your lecture and the topic.

893
0:45:10 --> 0:45:14
It dovetails with a lot of the research

894
0:45:14 --> 0:45:18
that I've been involved in over the decades,

895
0:45:18 --> 0:45:22
that of the various types of pharmaceuticals

896
0:45:22 --> 0:45:27
that are passing, sometime absolutely untouched

897
0:45:27 --> 0:45:30
through the human body and directly

898
0:45:30 --> 0:45:34
into the potable water supplies, like in the reservoirs.

899
0:45:34 --> 0:45:37
One of the studies that we were involved in

900
0:45:37 --> 0:45:40
was with the drinking water reservoirs

901
0:45:40 --> 0:45:42
in Dallas, Texas area.

902
0:45:44 --> 0:45:48
And a lot of those are like the steroids,

903
0:45:48 --> 0:45:53
and even illegal chemicals, meth and cocaine,

904
0:45:53 --> 0:45:55
and things like that.

905
0:45:56 --> 0:45:59
But a lot of the steroids, birth control pills,

906
0:45:59 --> 0:46:03
and these type of pharmaceuticals,

907
0:46:04 --> 0:46:09
they pass directly, metabolized through the body.

908
0:46:10 --> 0:46:15
So how is that actually dovetailing back into your outline?

909
0:46:19 --> 0:46:21
And this is one of the things that with the,

910
0:46:22 --> 0:46:27
the, they make America healthy again, mantra,

911
0:46:28 --> 0:46:33
is that this is the moms who see their children

912
0:46:33 --> 0:46:38
being sickened that is crossing all party lines.

913
0:46:38 --> 0:46:43
It's not a Democrat or a Republican or anything like that,

914
0:46:43 --> 0:46:45
or any racial lines, it's mothers

915
0:46:45 --> 0:46:48
who see their children sick.

916
0:46:48 --> 0:46:49
Yeah, absolutely.

917
0:46:49 --> 0:46:52
And that's, I'm thankful,

918
0:46:52 --> 0:46:53
I'm thankful Secretary Kennedy has said,

919
0:46:53 --> 0:46:56
we need to look at pharmaceuticals in our water

920
0:46:56 --> 0:46:59
and pollutants and endocrine destructors generally.

921
0:46:59 --> 0:47:01
And there is a risk of harm

922
0:47:01 --> 0:47:03
from all sorts of pharmaceuticals.

923
0:47:03 --> 0:47:07
I think the kind of the uniqueness of Mipra-Chryston,

924
0:47:07 --> 0:47:10
and you can't say it enough is that it's lethal in nature

925
0:47:10 --> 0:47:12
and it's blocking a vital fertility hormone.

926
0:47:12 --> 0:47:14
And when you look at infertility rates,

927
0:47:14 --> 0:47:18
I just think it's really important that we're asking,

928
0:47:18 --> 0:47:21
why do so many people need to take progesterone

929
0:47:21 --> 0:47:23
to help with their fertility?

930
0:47:23 --> 0:47:25
Mipra-Chryston is blocking that progesterone.

931
0:47:25 --> 0:47:28
And it's the most commonly used, as far as I'm aware, drug

932
0:47:28 --> 0:47:30
that does that, that blocks progesterone,

933
0:47:30 --> 0:47:32
that forms, that generates medical waste.

934
0:47:32 --> 0:47:34
And that was developed to do that.

935
0:47:34 --> 0:47:35
But it's a synthetic,

936
0:47:35 --> 0:47:37
there are a lot of drugs that are synthetic,

937
0:47:37 --> 0:47:40
but synthetic drugs are also known to be much stronger

938
0:47:40 --> 0:47:44
and more resilient to wastewater treatment plants.

939
0:47:44 --> 0:47:49
And so there's, again, just some distinction or uniqueness,

940
0:47:50 --> 0:47:52
uniqueness to Mipra-Chryston itself

941
0:47:52 --> 0:47:55
that I think really does warrant that heightened scrutiny.

942
0:47:55 --> 0:47:57
But yes, it is fair to say all pharmaceuticals

943
0:47:57 --> 0:47:58
should be studied, but particularly,

944
0:47:58 --> 0:48:02
I'm just, Mipra-Chryston for all the reasons I mentioned.

945
0:48:02 --> 0:48:04
And it's all detailed in our report as well.

946
0:48:04 --> 0:48:06
Sorry, I'll direct you back there too,

947
0:48:06 --> 0:48:08
because I talk about in the report,

948
0:48:08 --> 0:48:09
some of those other drugs, some of those,

949
0:48:09 --> 0:48:11
estrogen particularly.

950
0:48:12 --> 0:48:17
And we did studies back in the mid 1970s showing,

951
0:48:18 --> 0:48:23
how you had these gender modifications in target species

952
0:48:26 --> 0:48:29
like tadpoles from various,

953
0:48:29 --> 0:48:33
just regular agricultural chemicals.

954
0:48:33 --> 0:48:37
And a lot of these are synthetic estrogenic compounds

955
0:48:37 --> 0:48:41
and synthetic anti-androgens.

956
0:48:42 --> 0:48:45
And working in both directions there.

957
0:48:45 --> 0:48:48
So it's widespread.

958
0:48:48 --> 0:48:53
Atrazine was one of the big things that actually,

959
0:48:55 --> 0:48:58
these are very, very strong androgenic compounds.

960
0:49:02 --> 0:49:04
So leaving you on this,

961
0:49:04 --> 0:49:07
I really appreciate the work

962
0:49:07 --> 0:49:09
that you're doing in this regards.

963
0:49:09 --> 0:49:13
I have a new paper that if I ever finished editing

964
0:49:13 --> 0:49:15
for publication, I've been working on for months.

965
0:49:15 --> 0:49:19
It's iatrogenic cerebral mycosis,

966
0:49:20 --> 0:49:24
that deprives people of free will

967
0:49:24 --> 0:49:28
by abrogating the capability of human agency.

968
0:49:30 --> 0:49:35
And it's an entire series on iatrogenic disease states.

969
0:49:36 --> 0:49:40
It's exactly what you're discussing here.

970
0:49:41 --> 0:49:43
Thank you, Meryl, great work.

971
0:49:43 --> 0:49:44
Meryl is doing important work, Abigail.

972
0:49:44 --> 0:49:48
When you come back, we'll have some good conversations.

973
0:49:48 --> 0:49:51
On that, good, we've got six minutes left.

974
0:49:51 --> 0:49:53
Mark, then Judith, we're doing well.

975
0:49:55 --> 0:49:57
Hi Abigail, that was fantastic by the way.

976
0:49:57 --> 0:49:59
You've horrified me.

977
0:49:59 --> 0:50:02
I'm not normally the type, everybody will tell you,

978
0:50:02 --> 0:50:04
I'm not the normal type to be horrified,

979
0:50:04 --> 0:50:08
but that ties in very, very well to the demonic,

980
0:50:08 --> 0:50:12
let's say entities that unfortunately control this space.

981
0:50:15 --> 0:50:19
We see, like Sir Putin talking about the baby butchering cult,

982
0:50:19 --> 0:50:22
these people who predate on human flesh.

983
0:50:22 --> 0:50:24
And I think this is a very, very interesting way

984
0:50:24 --> 0:50:29
to get human DNA and flesh into the water table.

985
0:50:30 --> 0:50:35
London is a 100% cycle water space.

986
0:50:35 --> 0:50:37
So unfortunately, they've all basically turned

987
0:50:37 --> 0:50:40
into cannibals, so it's quite interesting,

988
0:50:40 --> 0:50:43
very, very interesting subject matter.

989
0:50:43 --> 0:50:45
Really appreciated it.

990
0:50:46 --> 0:50:50
The question is, is the spiritual aspect of this?

991
0:50:50 --> 0:50:54
Because we see it, whether it be in the McDonald's meat

992
0:50:54 --> 0:50:58
burgers or all these other things,

993
0:50:58 --> 0:51:01
what's your take on that?

994
0:51:01 --> 0:51:02
That's a great question.

995
0:51:02 --> 0:51:06
And honestly, I think it's the most important

996
0:51:06 --> 0:51:07
spiritual battle we're fighting right now,

997
0:51:07 --> 0:51:10
because if you look back through the Bible particularly,

998
0:51:10 --> 0:51:13
you see all throughout the Old Testament,

999
0:51:13 --> 0:51:16
the nations that God told the Israelites to drive out

1000
0:51:16 --> 0:51:18
and to get rid of were sacrificing their babies

1001
0:51:18 --> 0:51:20
to God's demons.

1002
0:51:20 --> 0:51:22
They're sacrificing them in the fire.

1003
0:51:22 --> 0:51:24
We are doing the exact same thing.

1004
0:51:24 --> 0:51:27
God will not bless a nation who is murdering its innocents.

1005
0:51:27 --> 0:51:30
And I see, and this is the,

1006
0:51:30 --> 0:51:31
and I'll say this to this audience,

1007
0:51:31 --> 0:51:32
because the question was asked.

1008
0:51:32 --> 0:51:34
I don't say this in all audiences,

1009
0:51:34 --> 0:51:37
but on a personal level, that is why I fight this topic,

1010
0:51:37 --> 0:51:39
because I believe it is vital that we stand up

1011
0:51:39 --> 0:51:41
for the voiceless and for those that cannot stand up

1012
0:51:41 --> 0:51:42
for themselves.

1013
0:51:44 --> 0:51:46
Fantastic, thanks for that, Abigail.

1014
0:51:46 --> 0:51:47
Really appreciate it.

1015
0:51:47 --> 0:51:48
God bless.

1016
0:51:49 --> 0:51:50
Thank you, Mark.

1017
0:51:50 --> 0:51:54
Judith, and then Stephen can close with last questions.

1018
0:51:54 --> 0:51:56
All right, first of all, thank you very much

1019
0:51:56 --> 0:51:59
for bringing this topic to mind.

1020
0:52:01 --> 0:52:03
It needs more exposure.

1021
0:52:03 --> 0:52:06
And my concern is, by the way,

1022
0:52:06 --> 0:52:09
I hope you show us what your X handle is,

1023
0:52:09 --> 0:52:12
because that's where the movers and shakers are.

1024
0:52:12 --> 0:52:15
The other is, do you have a list

1025
0:52:16 --> 0:52:19
that you could share with us of media

1026
0:52:19 --> 0:52:23
that would actually support your arguments?

1027
0:52:23 --> 0:52:26
There have to be some entities out there

1028
0:52:26 --> 0:52:30
that we can start the ball rolling with

1029
0:52:30 --> 0:52:34
that would support everything you're talking about.

1030
0:52:34 --> 0:52:36
I think we need to know.

1031
0:52:36 --> 0:52:37
Yeah, no, thank you.

1032
0:52:37 --> 0:52:38
It's a really good question.

1033
0:52:38 --> 0:52:40
Well, interestingly, there are some of the more,

1034
0:52:42 --> 0:52:45
the majority of reporters might call them fringe,

1035
0:52:45 --> 0:52:46
but we have had a few interviews on this,

1036
0:52:46 --> 0:52:48
some radio interviews, podcasts, and things like that.

1037
0:52:48 --> 0:52:50
Those are actually on the website as well,

1038
0:52:50 --> 0:52:51
AbortionInOurWater.org.

1039
0:52:51 --> 0:52:52
You can check out some of that.

1040
0:52:53 --> 0:52:56
And I think for those that are actually interested in truth

1041
0:52:56 --> 0:53:01
and want to get their news from alternative outlets,

1042
0:53:01 --> 0:53:06
we have been, we see at least a growing audience for it.

1043
0:53:06 --> 0:53:07
So absolutely post it wherever you can.

1044
0:53:07 --> 0:53:09
Post it on your social media.

1045
0:53:10 --> 0:53:13
If you know folks that would be interested in doing this,

1046
0:53:13 --> 0:53:16
I'd be happy to, I'm always happy to talk about it

1047
0:53:16 --> 0:53:16
and bring it.

1048
0:53:16 --> 0:53:19
Well, can you give us a list?

1049
0:53:19 --> 0:53:20
I don't have a list specifically,

1050
0:53:20 --> 0:53:22
but I can tell you, go to our website

1051
0:53:23 --> 0:53:24
and on the very bottom,

1052
0:53:24 --> 0:53:25
you'll see where we have been interviewed

1053
0:53:25 --> 0:53:27
and where we have done podcasting.

1054
0:53:27 --> 0:53:29
And do you have an X handle?

1055
0:53:29 --> 0:53:31
I personally don't, but Liberty Council Action.

1056
0:53:31 --> 0:53:33
So Liberty Council Action,

1057
0:53:33 --> 0:53:35
which is some of the public policy analysts

1058
0:53:35 --> 0:53:37
for Liberty Council Action,

1059
0:53:37 --> 0:53:39
and we have a, they have a Twitter,

1060
0:53:39 --> 0:53:41
we have a Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, et cetera,

1061
0:53:41 --> 0:53:42
all of that.

1062
0:53:42 --> 0:53:47
And then we also have the website,

1063
0:53:48 --> 0:53:49
AbortionInOurWater.org,

1064
0:53:49 --> 0:53:51
which is run by Liberty Council Action.

1065
0:53:52 --> 0:53:54
You can go to LibertyCouncilAction.org,

1066
0:53:54 --> 0:53:56
see all the other great work we're doing.

1067
0:53:56 --> 0:53:58
And then on this topic, particularly,

1068
0:53:58 --> 0:54:00
it has its own website.

1069
0:54:03 --> 0:54:04
Very good.

1070
0:54:04 --> 0:54:06
Very good, Judith, great questions.

1071
0:54:06 --> 0:54:07
Thank you, Abigail.

1072
0:54:07 --> 0:54:08
Steven, last couple of minutes

1073
0:54:08 --> 0:54:11
and then we'll let Abigail go.

1074
0:54:11 --> 0:54:16
So Abigail, have you, in your mind,

1075
0:54:16 --> 0:54:20
observing the people you've been talking to and others,

1076
0:54:20 --> 0:54:24
have there been any concerted attempts to,

1077
0:54:24 --> 0:54:25
shall we say, control you, you know,

1078
0:54:25 --> 0:54:29
by not saying this, not talking about this

1079
0:54:29 --> 0:54:31
just at the moment, because we're talking to you, you know?

1080
0:54:31 --> 0:54:33
Has there been any of that?

1081
0:54:33 --> 0:54:35
Also, I think it would be very good

1082
0:54:35 --> 0:54:39
if you were to publish another open letter, you know,

1083
0:54:39 --> 0:54:44
updated version, and highlight your most,

1084
0:54:45 --> 0:54:48
the points which are most emotive for the public,

1085
0:54:48 --> 0:54:50
because that's the kind of thing

1086
0:54:50 --> 0:54:53
that will change public opinion, you know?

1087
0:54:53 --> 0:54:57
And force them to take action on this thing,

1088
0:54:57 --> 0:54:59
which I think has not been noticed.

1089
0:54:59 --> 0:55:02
I never even thought about it, you know?

1090
0:55:02 --> 0:55:06
And I'm quite creative sometimes, but I hadn't really,

1091
0:55:06 --> 0:55:08
but of course it makes sense when you,

1092
0:55:10 --> 0:55:13
my last question is, well, I think we won't say,

1093
0:55:13 --> 0:55:16
the other thing is when you're writing open letters,

1094
0:55:16 --> 0:55:19
I think it's very good to think

1095
0:55:19 --> 0:55:22
of what your most important point is.

1096
0:55:22 --> 0:55:25
The thing that you want the public to understand most,

1097
0:55:25 --> 0:55:28
simplify it so that anyone can understand it

1098
0:55:28 --> 0:55:31
and just drive home that message all the time.

1099
0:55:31 --> 0:55:33
They can't stand up to it.

1100
0:55:33 --> 0:55:36
They rely on people saying, and another thing,

1101
0:55:36 --> 0:55:38
and another thing, and another thing,

1102
0:55:38 --> 0:55:40
and discrediting themselves in the end.

1103
0:55:40 --> 0:55:43
So stick to one thing that would be my,

1104
0:55:43 --> 0:55:45
we did this with David Kelly,

1105
0:55:45 --> 0:55:46
and they couldn't answer us.

1106
0:55:46 --> 0:55:49
We used medicine against the government essentially

1107
0:55:49 --> 0:55:50
with David Kelly.

1108
0:55:50 --> 0:55:52
We said he hadn't committed suicide.

1109
0:55:52 --> 0:55:54
We didn't say it was murder.

1110
0:55:54 --> 0:55:56
We just needed to get out to the public

1111
0:55:56 --> 0:55:58
that it was not suicide.

1112
0:55:58 --> 0:56:01
And the public then say, well, if it's not suicide,

1113
0:56:01 --> 0:56:03
it must be murder.

1114
0:56:03 --> 0:56:04
Yes, yeah.

1115
0:56:04 --> 0:56:06
No, I think it's a really, really good

1116
0:56:06 --> 0:56:07
and well taken point.

1117
0:56:07 --> 0:56:10
We, like I said, we do wanna do another open letter

1118
0:56:10 --> 0:56:13
and that's, you know, in my public speaking courses,

1119
0:56:13 --> 0:56:15
it's that what's your one message?

1120
0:56:15 --> 0:56:16
Cause people are gonna walk away with one,

1121
0:56:16 --> 0:56:18
they're gonna remember one thing.

1122
0:56:18 --> 0:56:19
Absolutely.

1123
0:56:19 --> 0:56:21
A hundred percent on board with you.

1124
0:56:21 --> 0:56:22
If I would say remember one thing,

1125
0:56:22 --> 0:56:25
remember chemical abortion contaminates water.

1126
0:56:25 --> 0:56:27
And that's the message we wanna drive home.

1127
0:56:27 --> 0:56:29
That's what we want people to remember.

1128
0:56:29 --> 0:56:31
And that's, it's a, again,

1129
0:56:31 --> 0:56:33
most nations are gonna have environmental laws.

1130
0:56:33 --> 0:56:35
Look at your environmental laws.

1131
0:56:35 --> 0:56:37
In the United States, we violated ours.

1132
0:56:37 --> 0:56:42
And you know, it's a strategy that can really help here.

1133
0:56:43 --> 0:56:44
And I will say, you know,

1134
0:56:44 --> 0:56:47
I'm really happy to engage further in the conversation.

1135
0:56:47 --> 0:56:48
If folks wanna email me,

1136
0:56:48 --> 0:56:50
I'll put my email in the chat here

1137
0:56:50 --> 0:56:52
if you have other questions

1138
0:56:52 --> 0:56:55
and really, really just wanna encourage you

1139
0:56:55 --> 0:56:57
to talk about this.

1140
0:56:57 --> 0:56:59
And I'm gonna take one extra minute here

1141
0:57:01 --> 0:57:03
cause I see a question here about

1142
0:57:03 --> 0:57:06
abortive babies being organic, et cetera, clogging, you know,

1143
0:57:06 --> 0:57:09
there's a greater risk of clogs from other things.

1144
0:57:09 --> 0:57:12
But to that point, there's still,

1145
0:57:12 --> 0:57:17
I would argue the risk and the reality are there.

1146
0:57:17 --> 0:57:19
Babies do clog pipes.

1147
0:57:19 --> 0:57:21
There are, you know, an aborted baby

1148
0:57:21 --> 0:57:24
can contribute to backups.

1149
0:57:24 --> 0:57:26
There was a Houston complex in Texas

1150
0:57:26 --> 0:57:29
that had a bunch of sewage out.

1151
0:57:29 --> 0:57:31
And then when the plumber went in,

1152
0:57:31 --> 0:57:33
they found the baby, you know, in the plumbing.

1153
0:57:33 --> 0:57:37
Now, we're not seeing a lot of investigation

1154
0:57:37 --> 0:57:41
into particularly, you know, I'm not,

1155
0:57:41 --> 0:57:44
hear me, I'm not arguing for prosecuting women.

1156
0:57:44 --> 0:57:45
That is not my argument.

1157
0:57:45 --> 0:57:49
I am arguing that they should be informed

1158
0:57:49 --> 0:57:53
and that they should be given a sanitary waste bag

1159
0:57:53 --> 0:57:54
if you're gonna do it at home.

1160
0:57:54 --> 0:57:57
Ideally, I'd love to just see it go back to the clinic model.

1161
0:57:57 --> 0:58:00
I don't think we should be doing chemical abortions at all.

1162
0:58:00 --> 0:58:03
I think it's barbaric personally.

1163
0:58:03 --> 0:58:05
But if you're going to, at the very least,

1164
0:58:05 --> 0:58:06
don't clog your toilet.

1165
0:58:06 --> 0:58:08
Like this is ridiculous, right?

1166
0:58:08 --> 0:58:09
Like you don't have, it's common sense.

1167
0:58:09 --> 0:58:12
You do not have to be pro-life

1168
0:58:12 --> 0:58:15
to think in those common sense terms.

1169
0:58:15 --> 0:58:16
At least that's my argument.

1170
0:58:16 --> 0:58:18
And so I bless you all.

1171
0:58:18 --> 0:58:19
I thank you so much for your time.

1172
0:58:19 --> 0:58:22
I pray God meets each and every one of you

1173
0:58:22 --> 0:58:23
and the rest of your conversation

1174
0:58:23 --> 0:58:25
and whatever else you have going on today.

1175
0:58:25 --> 0:58:27
And I will put my email here in the chat

1176
0:58:27 --> 0:58:29
for folks if you have more questions.

1177
0:58:29 --> 0:58:34
And your slide deck as well, Abigail.

1178
0:58:35 --> 0:58:38
I will make sure I email that to you.

1179
0:58:38 --> 0:58:39
Yeah, beautiful.

1180
0:58:39 --> 0:58:40
So, Abigail, one last question.

1181
0:58:40 --> 0:58:43
You are married to a Brit, I think, a British.

1182
0:58:43 --> 0:58:46
You have a British husband and you have four children.

1183
0:58:46 --> 0:58:50
And so do you think that traveling

1184
0:58:50 --> 0:58:54
actually makes people aware of two systems?

1185
0:58:54 --> 0:58:55
They get to know two systems,

1186
0:58:55 --> 0:58:58
at least two systems in the world.

1187
0:58:58 --> 0:59:00
When most people are only exposed to one,

1188
0:59:00 --> 0:59:02
do you think that traveling necessarily

1189
0:59:02 --> 0:59:05
makes it more likely that you're going to notice things

1190
0:59:05 --> 0:59:08
like you've noticed this, you know, and taking it up?

1191
0:59:08 --> 0:59:09
Yes, absolutely.

1192
0:59:09 --> 0:59:12
So, yes, I think so too.

1193
0:59:14 --> 0:59:16
So everyone needs to travel.

1194
0:59:17 --> 0:59:20
I went to 36 states in America when I was 19 years old.

1195
0:59:22 --> 0:59:23
Very good, very good.

1196
0:59:24 --> 0:59:25
Yeah.

1197
0:59:25 --> 0:59:27
All right, thank you, Abigail.

1198
0:59:27 --> 0:59:29
Go to your next meeting.

1199
0:59:29 --> 0:59:32
Go forth and multiply your thoughts

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0:59:32 --> 0:59:35
as a variation on the Bible.

1201
0:59:35 --> 0:59:35
Yes, amen.

1202
0:59:35 --> 0:59:37
Thank you all.

1203
0:59:37 --> 0:59:38
Thank you.

1204
0:59:41 --> 0:59:43
All right, Stephen, well, there was a,

1205
0:59:43 --> 0:59:45
we'll stop this recording now

1206
0:59:45 --> 0:59:46
and we're gonna have a general chat.

1207
0:59:46 --> 0:59:49
Well, and maybe Charles, we could let Meryl,

1208
0:59:49 --> 0:59:51
he won't waste people's time.

1209
0:59:51 --> 0:59:53
He understands the science.

1210
0:59:53 --> 0:59:55
We could maybe let him talk.

1211
0:59:55 --> 0:59:56
That would be great.

1212
0:59:56 --> 1:00:00
Yeah, no, while Meryl's gathering his thoughts, Stephen,

1213
1:00:00 --> 1:00:03
what are your thoughts on the big gathering

1214
1:00:03 --> 1:00:04
in London on Saturday?

1215
1:00:04 --> 1:00:09
Because Mark was there on Saturday.

1216
1:00:11 --> 1:00:16
He can't be with us tonight, your time.

1217
1:00:16 --> 1:00:19
But apparently the reports that I've seen

1218
1:00:19 --> 1:00:22
organized by Tommy Robinson was a big, big demonstration.

1219
1:00:22 --> 1:00:25
Would you agree, Stephen, from what you saw?

1220
1:00:25 --> 1:00:26
I haven't seen much.

1221
1:00:26 --> 1:00:28
I haven't even seen any reporting,

1222
1:00:28 --> 1:00:31
but I did see a British doctor.

1223
1:00:31 --> 1:00:33
I'm not going to name that doctor,

1224
1:00:33 --> 1:00:35
but I was a little bit surprised

1225
1:00:35 --> 1:00:38
that that doctor characterized the demonstration

1226
1:00:38 --> 1:00:42
of whatever it was as Islamophobic.

1227
1:00:42 --> 1:00:43
So...

1228
1:00:46 --> 1:00:47
Thank you, that's right.

1229
1:00:47 --> 1:00:52
Anyone who dares question Islam is Islamophobic

1230
1:00:52 --> 1:00:53
and that's the classic.

1231
1:00:53 --> 1:00:55
That's like anyone who questions the government

1232
1:00:55 --> 1:00:58
is a conspiracy theorist, same model.

1233
1:00:58 --> 1:01:01
Or anybody who says anything about anyone is racist.

1234
1:01:01 --> 1:01:03
So there you are.

1235
1:01:03 --> 1:01:06
But it's disingenuous, Charles, because London,

1236
1:01:06 --> 1:01:09
and that's where the demonstration took place,

1237
1:01:09 --> 1:01:13
has a freak of a mayor, Saadi Khan,

1238
1:01:13 --> 1:01:18
and to dismiss everything about protesting against Saadi Khan

1239
1:01:19 --> 1:01:20
amongst other things,

1240
1:01:22 --> 1:01:26
because the demonstration was quote Islamophobic

1241
1:01:26 --> 1:01:27
is disingenuous in my opinion.

1242
1:01:28 --> 1:01:29
And I was very surprised.

1243
1:01:29 --> 1:01:34
I actually respect the doctor involved,

1244
1:01:35 --> 1:01:37
but it was just kind of throw away comments

1245
1:01:37 --> 1:01:39
and not properly thought about,

1246
1:01:39 --> 1:01:41
should have been Charles.

1247
1:01:41 --> 1:01:43
But the trouble is you probably get chucked out

1248
1:01:43 --> 1:01:48
of the group, you know, and cause mayhem by raising.

1249
1:01:48 --> 1:01:51
And it's not just not worth it sometimes,

1250
1:01:51 --> 1:01:53
because you have more important things to...

1251
1:01:53 --> 1:01:57
As Darius says, we're suffering.

1252
1:01:57 --> 1:01:59
We've got tyrannophobia, I love it,

1253
1:01:59 --> 1:02:02
and despotism phobia.

1254
1:02:02 --> 1:02:04
Yes, I've got both of those as well.

1255
1:02:04 --> 1:02:08
I oppose tyrants and despots.

1256
1:02:08 --> 1:02:10
And I oppose traitors.

1257
1:02:10 --> 1:02:12
And they are traitors, what do you call that?

1258
1:02:12 --> 1:02:14
Traitor phobia.

1259
1:02:14 --> 1:02:16
Meryl, so Stephen, so what would you like Meryl

1260
1:02:16 --> 1:02:17
to talk about?

1261
1:02:17 --> 1:02:21
Oh, Meryl, so if you could kind of not take too long,

1262
1:02:21 --> 1:02:25
but you know, I respect what you say about science.

1263
1:02:25 --> 1:02:27
You're very good with studies and stuff like that.

1264
1:02:27 --> 1:02:31
And I just wonder whether you could kind of summarize

1265
1:02:31 --> 1:02:33
the points which she was making,

1266
1:02:33 --> 1:02:35
the most important points in your view, you know,

1267
1:02:35 --> 1:02:38
and also what the research is saying, you know,

1268
1:02:38 --> 1:02:40
how long has this been talked about?

1269
1:02:40 --> 1:02:43
I didn't realize it was ever talked about.

1270
1:02:43 --> 1:02:46
Well, yes, maybe I've got something in my mind

1271
1:02:46 --> 1:02:49
from vaguely, you know, but nothing was pinned down.

1272
1:02:49 --> 1:02:50
But anyway.

1273
1:02:51 --> 1:02:55
Well, she makes an extremely rational and valid point.

1274
1:02:55 --> 1:02:59
And she said, chemical abortion pills pollute water.

1275
1:03:00 --> 1:03:03
And they pollute the drinking water.

1276
1:03:03 --> 1:03:07
All of this is going back into the potable water supplies

1277
1:03:07 --> 1:03:12
and coming back and it's coming out of your faucet there

1278
1:03:12 --> 1:03:17
because whenever you start looking at the methodologies

1279
1:03:17 --> 1:03:22
by which the municipalities purify drinking water

1280
1:03:22 --> 1:03:23
and what they test for,

1281
1:03:24 --> 1:03:27
they're not testing for that abortion pill.

1282
1:03:27 --> 1:03:32
They're not testing for either the direct chemicals

1283
1:03:32 --> 1:03:37
in there, nor are they directly testing for the metabolites

1284
1:03:37 --> 1:03:42
and secondary metabolites and how they interact chemically

1285
1:03:42 --> 1:03:44
with all of the other different chemicals in the water.

1286
1:03:44 --> 1:03:49
They're not looking at when you're ingesting this

1287
1:03:50 --> 1:03:55
and you as a healthy male,

1288
1:03:55 --> 1:04:00
what happens whenever you're ingesting these chemicals.

1289
1:04:00 --> 1:04:05
And then look at what happens when you have young boys,

1290
1:04:06 --> 1:04:09
you know, young females.

1291
1:04:09 --> 1:04:12
What is the, you know,

1292
1:04:13 --> 1:04:17
what really is going on and how is, you know,

1293
1:04:17 --> 1:04:21
these types of chemicals that they're drinking

1294
1:04:21 --> 1:04:24
and it's in their food because bear in mind,

1295
1:04:24 --> 1:04:28
you irrigate the food supplies,

1296
1:04:28 --> 1:04:31
you irrigate a garden with that same water

1297
1:04:31 --> 1:04:33
that's got these chemicals in it.

1298
1:04:33 --> 1:04:38
It's getting into the tissues of an organic vegetable even.

1299
1:04:39 --> 1:04:42
So could the chemicals and the metabolites

1300
1:04:42 --> 1:04:45
affect human fertility in your view?

1301
1:04:45 --> 1:04:46
Well, of course they could.

1302
1:04:46 --> 1:04:48
Absolutely, absolutely.

1303
1:04:48 --> 1:04:50
Whenever you start looking at it

1304
1:04:50 --> 1:04:53
and what we had tangentially touched upon

1305
1:04:55 --> 1:04:58
was two classes of chemicals.

1306
1:04:58 --> 1:05:03
One is synthetic estrogenic compounds that are,

1307
1:05:03 --> 1:05:07
you know, a common one is bisphenol A.

1308
1:05:07 --> 1:05:11
These synthetic estrogenic compounds dock preferentially

1309
1:05:11 --> 1:05:16
to the extracellular estrogen receptors.

1310
1:05:19 --> 1:05:24
And so whenever it docks to the estrogen receptor on a cell,

1311
1:05:24 --> 1:05:27
cell goes, okay, what do you want me to do?

1312
1:05:27 --> 1:05:30
And because they think that is,

1313
1:05:30 --> 1:05:34
see if you have one molecule of endogenous estrogen

1314
1:05:34 --> 1:05:36
made by the human body,

1315
1:05:36 --> 1:05:40
one molecule of synthetic estrogenic compound,

1316
1:05:42 --> 1:05:47
well, they'll actually crowd the endogenous estrogen

1317
1:05:48 --> 1:05:50
out and dock preferentially.

1318
1:05:50 --> 1:05:52
The cell ask it, what do you want me to do?

1319
1:05:53 --> 1:05:55
And since it's not real,

1320
1:05:55 --> 1:05:57
well, it's not even giving them a signal.

1321
1:05:57 --> 1:06:02
Well, the cell is going, well, wait a minute,

1322
1:06:02 --> 1:06:04
you're docked and you've already, you know,

1323
1:06:04 --> 1:06:08
opened the lock and you know, what's going on here.

1324
1:06:08 --> 1:06:12
And so then it just fabricates something

1325
1:06:12 --> 1:06:17
in the term of AI, which of course that's what a human cell,

1326
1:06:17 --> 1:06:20
what human DNA really is analogous to,

1327
1:06:21 --> 1:06:24
and it hallucinates.

1328
1:06:25 --> 1:06:26
It doesn't know what to do.

1329
1:06:27 --> 1:06:32
And then when you, and so you have these erroneous readings,

1330
1:06:33 --> 1:06:37
they, but there are a lot of these chemicals

1331
1:06:37 --> 1:06:39
that are out there that are just, you know,

1332
1:06:39 --> 1:06:44
your commonly prescribed pharmaceuticals that,

1333
1:06:45 --> 1:06:49
and then the chemicals that are allowed to be used

1334
1:06:49 --> 1:06:52
by the EPA and the US Department of Agriculture

1335
1:06:52 --> 1:06:57
and food stuff that are synthetic estrogenic compounds.

1336
1:07:00 --> 1:07:05
They also allow, by the way, they quote forever chemicals,

1337
1:07:05 --> 1:07:09
these PFAS backbone chemicals,

1338
1:07:09 --> 1:07:12
and that are allowed to be used

1339
1:07:12 --> 1:07:17
in the agricultural chemicals sprayed on your food crops.

1340
1:07:17 --> 1:07:19
Yeah. So who do you think-

1341
1:07:19 --> 1:07:20
I mean, it's insane.

1342
1:07:20 --> 1:07:23
Then on the flip side, you have the,

1343
1:07:23 --> 1:07:26
and Steven directly answering this,

1344
1:07:28 --> 1:07:31
this is directly impacting female fertility.

1345
1:07:31 --> 1:07:34
But whenever you go in the other side,

1346
1:07:34 --> 1:07:39
you have these anti-androgenic chemicals.

1347
1:07:40 --> 1:07:45
Some are androgenic, some are anti-androgenic,

1348
1:07:45 --> 1:07:50
and that are androgen blockers and androgen inhibitors.

1349
1:07:51 --> 1:07:56
A classic case in that is atrazine.

1350
1:07:56 --> 1:07:58
Atrazine is widespread.

1351
1:07:58 --> 1:08:03
Well, what it does then is it prevents the androgens

1352
1:08:04 --> 1:08:06
from converting into testosterone,

1353
1:08:06 --> 1:08:10
and so therefore lowers testosterone levels

1354
1:08:10 --> 1:08:14
in healthy males simply by drinking the water

1355
1:08:14 --> 1:08:16
that has these chemicals in it

1356
1:08:16 --> 1:08:21
or eating ahead of broccoli, even organic broccoli,

1357
1:08:23 --> 1:08:27
if it's sprayed with water that's containing or irrigated

1358
1:08:27 --> 1:08:32
with the water that's contaminated with these chemicals.

1359
1:08:32 --> 1:08:36
Yeah, Merle, is it disingenuous to say

1360
1:08:36 --> 1:08:38
that you have to prescribe these things,

1361
1:08:38 --> 1:08:42
even now as I understand it, and then lose interest,

1362
1:08:42 --> 1:08:46
and blame the environmental agency or vice versa,

1363
1:08:46 --> 1:08:51
the FDA for not regulating after that.

1364
1:08:51 --> 1:08:54
So what's getting into our drinking water?

1365
1:08:56 --> 1:08:59
And the other thing I wanted you to mention,

1366
1:08:59 --> 1:09:03
so you're talking about, so would it affect both sexes

1367
1:09:03 --> 1:09:06
when it comes to fertility, the existence of...

1368
1:09:07 --> 1:09:08
Absolutely it does.

1369
1:09:08 --> 1:09:12
It impacts fecundity across the board.

1370
1:09:12 --> 1:09:17
One, the female fertility rate has gone dramatically down

1371
1:09:17 --> 1:09:20
in most sections of the population,

1372
1:09:20 --> 1:09:25
but the male fertility rate has gone down dramatically.

1373
1:09:26 --> 1:09:28
Yeah, why do you think that is?

1374
1:09:28 --> 1:09:30
Well, it's very clear cut.

1375
1:09:30 --> 1:09:33
It's again, exactly what I was telling you.

1376
1:09:33 --> 1:09:37
These are, we're swimming in a toxic chemical soup.

1377
1:09:37 --> 1:09:40
Our bodies were not designed for that.

1378
1:09:42 --> 1:09:45
The evolutionary status of our bodies,

1379
1:09:45 --> 1:09:48
if you look at evolutionary biology,

1380
1:09:48 --> 1:09:51
we were not designed for it.

1381
1:09:51 --> 1:09:55
We cannot adapt at this rapid rate,

1382
1:09:55 --> 1:10:00
because when you look at what happened

1383
1:10:02 --> 1:10:04
just in life expectancy,

1384
1:10:04 --> 1:10:09
if you look strictly at life expectancy in the United States

1385
1:10:09 --> 1:10:13
from 1900 until 2026,

1386
1:10:13 --> 1:10:16
you'll see patterns that are not discussed.

1387
1:10:16 --> 1:10:21
And it's patterns not only of average life expectancy,

1388
1:10:22 --> 1:10:25
but patterns within that life expectancy

1389
1:10:25 --> 1:10:30
and patterns of morbidity within the mortality rates.

1390
1:10:31 --> 1:10:35
And they're fluctuating all over the place.

1391
1:10:36 --> 1:10:39
1900, you had a,

1392
1:10:41 --> 1:10:45
it's stated that the average life expectancy

1393
1:10:45 --> 1:10:47
was 39.5 years of age.

1394
1:10:47 --> 1:10:52
And then the medical profession will tell you,

1395
1:10:52 --> 1:10:55
oh, well, yeah, but with the advent of modern medicine,

1396
1:10:55 --> 1:10:58
with meaning antibiotics,

1397
1:10:58 --> 1:11:00
it doubled the life expectancy

1398
1:11:00 --> 1:11:02
just within a couple of years.

1399
1:11:02 --> 1:11:07
From when at the end of World War II, 1945,

1400
1:11:07 --> 1:11:12
the penicillin was started to be handed out like candy

1401
1:11:12 --> 1:11:15
across the civilian population of the United States.

1402
1:11:15 --> 1:11:20
Oh, well, we eliminated the 50% childhood mortality rate

1403
1:11:23 --> 1:11:27
that occurred in children before five years of age.

1404
1:11:27 --> 1:11:32
And it was true that 50% of the children died.

1405
1:11:32 --> 1:11:37
What is not true is that it was antibiotics

1406
1:11:38 --> 1:11:43
that made the disproportionate amount of that causal change.

1407
1:11:46 --> 1:11:51
And what really happened was the childhood mortality rates

1408
1:11:52 --> 1:11:55
were so high because you had a lot of things

1409
1:11:55 --> 1:11:57
like cholera and such.

1410
1:11:57 --> 1:11:59
And that were,

1411
1:12:02 --> 1:12:07
and these were fecal vectored waterborne pathogens.

1412
1:12:07 --> 1:12:10
Well, so what really happened?

1413
1:12:10 --> 1:12:15
Well, they started doing sanitary sewers in cities

1414
1:12:15 --> 1:12:19
and then they started chlorinating the drinking water.

1415
1:12:19 --> 1:12:23
Well, the chlorine killed the fecal bacteria

1416
1:12:23 --> 1:12:28
and the sanitary sewers then was keeping it away from you

1417
1:12:28 --> 1:12:33
and hoping these rudimentary septic systems

1418
1:12:33 --> 1:12:36
were adequate enough.

1419
1:12:36 --> 1:12:38
So to make it clear, Merrill,

1420
1:12:38 --> 1:12:42
access to clean drinking water or cleaner drinking water

1421
1:12:42 --> 1:12:45
made the difference, not antibiotics

1422
1:12:45 --> 1:12:47
and not pharmaceuticals, is that right?

1423
1:12:47 --> 1:12:49
Correct, it was killing.

1424
1:12:49 --> 1:12:52
And it's not that the drinking water

1425
1:12:53 --> 1:12:55
was clean, is that the drinking water

1426
1:12:55 --> 1:13:00
no longer contained the pathogenic fecal shed pathogens.

1427
1:13:04 --> 1:13:09
And those pathogens were both bacterial like cholera

1428
1:13:09 --> 1:13:11
and all of those different types

1429
1:13:11 --> 1:13:15
and viral hepatitis, let's say.

1430
1:13:15 --> 1:13:17
And those were two of the-

1431
1:13:17 --> 1:13:18
Typhoid?

1432
1:13:18 --> 1:13:23
Typhoid, Merrill, that's a question.

1433
1:13:24 --> 1:13:26
What, I'm sorry, what was that?

1434
1:13:26 --> 1:13:28
And typhoid?

1435
1:13:28 --> 1:13:29
Oh yeah, and typhoid.

1436
1:13:29 --> 1:13:33
And so, but whenever you look at it,

1437
1:13:33 --> 1:13:37
you know, typhoid and paratyphus

1438
1:13:37 --> 1:13:41
and there's all of these have,

1439
1:13:41 --> 1:13:45
they're almost like a spectrum of pathogens

1440
1:13:45 --> 1:13:47
that are related to one another.

1441
1:13:48 --> 1:13:50
That are not exactly the same,

1442
1:13:50 --> 1:13:55
but chlorine, you know, chlorination in the drinking water,

1443
1:13:55 --> 1:13:57
you know, it kills, you know,

1444
1:13:57 --> 1:14:00
it's a broad spectrum of sterol.

1445
1:14:01 --> 1:14:06
And so it sanitizes the water very, very effectively

1446
1:14:06 --> 1:14:08
at very low rates.

1447
1:14:08 --> 1:14:11
Chlorine dioxide does even a better job.

1448
1:14:11 --> 1:14:13
That's much better.

1449
1:14:13 --> 1:14:16
And it lower rates.

1450
1:14:16 --> 1:14:18
So it was hypochlorous acid.

1451
1:14:18 --> 1:14:22
And there is quite a number of, you know,

1452
1:14:22 --> 1:14:26
chemical compounds that are quite effective at that.

1453
1:14:26 --> 1:14:31
But they, and this is well known and well, well documented,

1454
1:14:32 --> 1:14:35
but the medical profession has,

1455
1:14:36 --> 1:14:40
they don't wanna even have the conversation about

1456
1:14:40 --> 1:14:44
that the fact that this is, you know,

1457
1:14:45 --> 1:14:49
plumbers that really made the difference.

1458
1:14:49 --> 1:14:53
That it was the plumbers that double life expectancy.

1459
1:14:53 --> 1:14:57
It wasn't the doctors and it wasn't the other,

1460
1:14:57 --> 1:15:02
the pharmaceutical drugs that double the life expectancy.

1461
1:15:02 --> 1:15:06
Now though, what has happened with the advent

1462
1:15:06 --> 1:15:09
of all of these chemicals that have gone into the,

1463
1:15:09 --> 1:15:14
the environment, and this is both in the breathing air,

1464
1:15:14 --> 1:15:16
this is the water supply as we discussed.

1465
1:15:16 --> 1:15:20
It's also the contaminated foods.

1466
1:15:20 --> 1:15:24
The life expectancy in the United States is going down.

1467
1:15:24 --> 1:15:27
And whenever you start looking at chronic disease,

1468
1:15:27 --> 1:15:30
you know, this is one of the things that Bobby Kennedy

1469
1:15:30 --> 1:15:34
very, very accurately described

1470
1:15:34 --> 1:15:36
in the Senate confirmation hearings.

1471
1:15:36 --> 1:15:40
You know, 92% of all the deaths in the United States

1472
1:15:40 --> 1:15:44
are attributed to chronic disease.

1473
1:15:45 --> 1:15:47
Why do you have all this chronic disease?

1474
1:15:49 --> 1:15:51
Well, okay, why does it exist?

1475
1:15:51 --> 1:15:56
Did the chronic disease states happen in 1900

1476
1:15:57 --> 1:16:01
and before the advent of the chemicals or in England

1477
1:16:01 --> 1:16:06
before, you know, 1800, before the industrial revolution.

1478
1:16:07 --> 1:16:10
And you can see these patterns that emerge

1479
1:16:10 --> 1:16:15
from the chemical pollutions like in London from,

1480
1:16:15 --> 1:16:17
you know, they had steam engines.

1481
1:16:17 --> 1:16:20
So you had all this coal and the coal dust

1482
1:16:20 --> 1:16:25
and the air pollution there that started,

1483
1:16:25 --> 1:16:29
you know, 1820 or something like that.

1484
1:16:29 --> 1:16:34
So this has been going on at different parts of the world

1485
1:16:34 --> 1:16:39
at different paces and with different chemicals

1486
1:16:40 --> 1:16:45
and but in the United States over the past,

1487
1:16:46 --> 1:16:49
you know, really 40 years,

1488
1:16:50 --> 1:16:55
it has been absolutely insane and unconscionable

1489
1:16:56 --> 1:17:01
the amount of chemicals that we're exposed to

1490
1:17:01 --> 1:17:04
that are allowed by the EPA,

1491
1:17:04 --> 1:17:06
the Environmental Protection Agency

1492
1:17:06 --> 1:17:09
and the US Department of Agriculture.

1493
1:17:10 --> 1:17:12
And all of the other federal agencies.

1494
1:17:12 --> 1:17:17
I am enraged, I am livid about it.

1495
1:17:17 --> 1:17:22
I have done, I've been doing environmental toxicology

1496
1:17:22 --> 1:17:24
since 1972.

1497
1:17:24 --> 1:17:28
This is not anything new for me, Steven.

1498
1:17:28 --> 1:17:31
This has been my life.

1499
1:17:31 --> 1:17:34
This is my raison d'etre.

1500
1:17:34 --> 1:17:39
For all of these decades, it's stopped the pollution.

1501
1:17:39 --> 1:17:43
Why are you even allowing these pollutants

1502
1:17:43 --> 1:17:48
that you know, you know that what these things do

1503
1:17:50 --> 1:17:53
and then you making all these pretense.

1504
1:17:54 --> 1:17:58
And unfortunately, it always comes back to

1505
1:18:00 --> 1:18:02
these forms of avarice.

1506
1:18:02 --> 1:18:07
It is unbridled hubris of the government.

1507
1:18:07 --> 1:18:12
It is the unbridled lust of the minions of government

1508
1:18:12 --> 1:18:16
that are the unbridled lust for power,

1509
1:18:16 --> 1:18:18
for control and money.

1510
1:18:18 --> 1:18:21
Yeah, so, Merrill, so how do we expose the idiocy

1511
1:18:21 --> 1:18:23
of telling populations?

1512
1:18:23 --> 1:18:27
It is exposed everywhere.

1513
1:18:27 --> 1:18:30
And you have a very, very pertinent question

1514
1:18:30 --> 1:18:32
a few minutes ago.

1515
1:18:32 --> 1:18:35
One of they blamed the environmental groups

1516
1:18:35 --> 1:18:39
and it's because most of the big environmental groups

1517
1:18:39 --> 1:18:43
are actually started by pharma.

1518
1:18:43 --> 1:18:47
Pharma is behind, not pharma, but the chemical companies

1519
1:18:47 --> 1:18:48
is behind it.

1520
1:18:48 --> 1:18:51
And they control the environmental arms

1521
1:18:51 --> 1:18:55
because they dump, they funnel it through

1522
1:18:55 --> 1:18:59
various organizations and law firms and nonprofits.

1523
1:18:59 --> 1:19:03
They fund these environmental groups

1524
1:19:03 --> 1:19:06
and the more wacko the environmental groups are,

1525
1:19:06 --> 1:19:09
the more you can see the fingerprints

1526
1:19:09 --> 1:19:12
of the chemical companies in there

1527
1:19:12 --> 1:19:17
because it makes the environmentalists look crazy.

1528
1:19:17 --> 1:19:22
And which a lot of these things are nonsensical.

1529
1:19:22 --> 1:19:24
I am the most ardent environmentalist

1530
1:19:24 --> 1:19:26
that you have ever met.

1531
1:19:26 --> 1:19:28
And I can tell you right now,

1532
1:19:28 --> 1:19:33
85% of what these environmental groups say

1533
1:19:33 --> 1:19:38
and what they are doing is not accurate.

1534
1:19:38 --> 1:19:40
It's not true.

1535
1:19:40 --> 1:19:45
And they come back and it's just like the,

1536
1:19:45 --> 1:19:47
Al Gore with his global warming deal

1537
1:19:47 --> 1:19:49
and the whole planet's gonna fall

1538
1:19:49 --> 1:19:53
and there won't be any ice caps in 10 years.

1539
1:19:53 --> 1:19:58
And it's just all the things that did not happen.

1540
1:19:58 --> 1:20:00
It can happen, but what happened?

1541
1:20:00 --> 1:20:02
So Meryl, I just wanna ask you,

1542
1:20:02 --> 1:20:06
how do we change the public to realize

1543
1:20:06 --> 1:20:10
that you can't just change things, you know, willy nilly

1544
1:20:10 --> 1:20:13
and then have no interest in the effects of those changes,

1545
1:20:13 --> 1:20:16
if you understand me, other than the one thing

1546
1:20:16 --> 1:20:20
that you're trying to promote through the change,

1547
1:20:20 --> 1:20:21
if you understand.

1548
1:20:21 --> 1:20:25
So if you mess around with human beings

1549
1:20:25 --> 1:20:28
who don't understand the universe as we know,

1550
1:20:29 --> 1:20:31
and they don't understand, you know,

1551
1:20:31 --> 1:20:32
they can't explain the universe.

1552
1:20:32 --> 1:20:36
So how do they get away with saying,

1553
1:20:36 --> 1:20:37
well, we're gonna change this

1554
1:20:37 --> 1:20:41
and then not investigate the likely effects of that

1555
1:20:41 --> 1:20:44
in the future, because there are so many effects.

1556
1:20:45 --> 1:20:47
It's very easy.

1557
1:20:48 --> 1:20:52
And that is that the United States public,

1558
1:20:52 --> 1:20:56
the unwashed masses are not well-educated,

1559
1:20:56 --> 1:21:01
nor are they in the UK, nor are they across Europe.

1560
1:21:01 --> 1:21:04
There has been a tremendous dumbing down

1561
1:21:04 --> 1:21:09
in the educational systems since the early 1960s

1562
1:21:11 --> 1:21:12
in the United States.

1563
1:21:12 --> 1:21:16
My mother, who was, you know, public school teacher

1564
1:21:16 --> 1:21:21
and administrator principal, railed about that every day

1565
1:21:22 --> 1:21:25
when in the civil rights movement,

1566
1:21:25 --> 1:21:29
which was justifiable, was very, very real.

1567
1:21:31 --> 1:21:35
But instead of trying to bring up

1568
1:21:35 --> 1:21:38
the scholastic capability of everyone,

1569
1:21:38 --> 1:21:43
what they did was tried to dumb down everybody

1570
1:21:43 --> 1:21:45
to one common level.

1571
1:21:45 --> 1:21:48
So you take the lowest common denominator

1572
1:21:48 --> 1:21:52
and then you dumb everybody down to that.

1573
1:21:52 --> 1:21:56
And you will see a paper that I had written, you know,

1574
1:21:56 --> 1:21:59
not long ago called the Death of Excellence.

1575
1:21:59 --> 1:22:02
And that's what that is really about.

1576
1:22:02 --> 1:22:05
Exactly that, the death of excellence.

1577
1:22:05 --> 1:22:06
And the-

1578
1:22:06 --> 1:22:07
The death of what?

1579
1:22:07 --> 1:22:09
The death of excellence.

1580
1:22:09 --> 1:22:11
Ah yes, of course, yeah.

1581
1:22:11 --> 1:22:12
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1582
1:22:12 --> 1:22:15
And so how is it that they can get away with it?

1583
1:22:15 --> 1:22:20
Because most people in the United States

1584
1:22:21 --> 1:22:24
are learning now in six second sound bites

1585
1:22:24 --> 1:22:28
off of a news channel, off of whatever-

1586
1:22:28 --> 1:22:29
Merrill-

1587
1:22:29 --> 1:22:30
The news group.

1588
1:22:30 --> 1:22:34
Merrill, can you have a go at answering this question?

1589
1:22:34 --> 1:22:38
Which decade, as far as the US is concerned,

1590
1:22:38 --> 1:22:41
and then I will answer the same question, you know,

1591
1:22:41 --> 1:22:43
as far as I can for the UK,

1592
1:22:44 --> 1:22:45
I can't really answer for Europe,

1593
1:22:45 --> 1:22:48
although I've got quite a good understanding of Europe,

1594
1:22:48 --> 1:22:53
but so which decade do you think that the education

1595
1:22:53 --> 1:22:58
that was available was best in the United States?

1596
1:22:58 --> 1:23:03
Probably 1950s and the early 1960s.

1597
1:23:06 --> 1:23:08
Yes, and then what did they realize?

1598
1:23:08 --> 1:23:13
Why did they, they needed to mess up education

1599
1:23:13 --> 1:23:15
because it does look as though that has occurred.

1600
1:23:15 --> 1:23:16
I agree with you.

1601
1:23:16 --> 1:23:20
I think that those, when I was a child-

1602
1:23:20 --> 1:23:25
It was about the 1963 civil rights deal

1603
1:23:27 --> 1:23:32
back with, after JFK was assassinated

1604
1:23:32 --> 1:23:37
and Lyndon Baines Johnson became president

1605
1:23:38 --> 1:23:43
and they started a civil rights initiative

1606
1:23:43 --> 1:23:45
that was long overdue.

1607
1:23:45 --> 1:23:49
It never should have been like it was to begin with.

1608
1:23:51 --> 1:23:53
Do you think that John F. Kennedy could see

1609
1:23:53 --> 1:23:55
what was likely to happen,

1610
1:23:55 --> 1:23:58
that they were actually planning to undermine education

1611
1:23:58 --> 1:24:01
in the United States and in Europe?

1612
1:24:01 --> 1:24:03
I don't know that a lot of this stuff

1613
1:24:03 --> 1:24:08
is the active undermining of it, like as forethought.

1614
1:24:08 --> 1:24:13
The US Congress very rarely does everything with forethought.

1615
1:24:15 --> 1:24:18
What they do is a knee-jerk reaction

1616
1:24:18 --> 1:24:23
of never letting a good crisis go to waste.

1617
1:24:23 --> 1:24:26
So if you already have some sort of political agenda

1618
1:24:26 --> 1:24:30
and then a thing happens, whatever it is,

1619
1:24:30 --> 1:24:32
well then you say, well, you see, this is the reason

1620
1:24:32 --> 1:24:34
we have to have legislation to control this

1621
1:24:34 --> 1:24:38
and we have to put more control in.

1622
1:24:38 --> 1:24:41
We have the power to make the controls

1623
1:24:41 --> 1:24:44
so we put the control in and oh, by the way,

1624
1:24:44 --> 1:24:47
we're gonna make some money on the deals here.

1625
1:24:47 --> 1:24:50
So how did the bureaucrats get so much power?

1626
1:24:51 --> 1:24:54
That's a really good question.

1627
1:24:54 --> 1:24:59
It is because we now in the United States,

1628
1:25:00 --> 1:25:04
the bureaucrats as civil servants

1629
1:25:04 --> 1:25:09
have far more power than even the president

1630
1:25:10 --> 1:25:13
or the Congress or the judges do.

1631
1:25:13 --> 1:25:17
And because most of the power and control

1632
1:25:17 --> 1:25:22
are not even laws, they're regulations, they're codes.

1633
1:25:25 --> 1:25:30
And so that's been so crazy and a lot of this has to do

1634
1:25:30 --> 1:25:34
with continuance of government policies.

1635
1:25:34 --> 1:25:39
And so you can't fire a civil service worker

1636
1:25:40 --> 1:25:44
for insubordination and for all of these things

1637
1:25:44 --> 1:25:47
because it's under continuance of government.

1638
1:25:47 --> 1:25:51
So literally we can do anything we want to

1639
1:25:51 --> 1:25:52
and you can't fire me.

1640
1:25:54 --> 1:25:58
And that becomes a pervasive type thought pattern

1641
1:25:58 --> 1:26:01
through the federal agencies.

1642
1:26:01 --> 1:26:05
And it extends all the way down to the local courts

1643
1:26:05 --> 1:26:10
and even right now with planning and zoning

1644
1:26:11 --> 1:26:13
and building permitting and stuff like that

1645
1:26:13 --> 1:26:18
that I'm having arguments with

1646
1:26:19 --> 1:26:24
now simply trying to remodel my mother's house.

1647
1:26:25 --> 1:26:29
And the house was built in 1940

1648
1:26:29 --> 1:26:31
and so they're saying, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1649
1:26:31 --> 1:26:33
if you wanna remodel it,

1650
1:26:33 --> 1:26:36
you have to bring everything up to current codes.

1651
1:26:36 --> 1:26:39
And you can't bring them to current codes

1652
1:26:39 --> 1:26:44
it's because it wasn't even designed for that.

1653
1:26:44 --> 1:26:47
But I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but look right here,

1654
1:26:47 --> 1:26:50
it says right here in this code book.

1655
1:26:50 --> 1:26:53
Yeah, it was Trump writes about big governments

1656
1:26:53 --> 1:26:56
that big government will always fail human beings.

1657
1:26:56 --> 1:27:01
And also did he know that he wouldn't be successful

1658
1:27:02 --> 1:27:04
in reducing big governments substantially?

1659
1:27:04 --> 1:27:07
So I think that he saw the problem.

1660
1:27:07 --> 1:27:10
He can't, he can't, nobody can.

1661
1:27:10 --> 1:27:12
But I don't think he's achieved much in that regard,

1662
1:27:12 --> 1:27:14
the Doherty thing.

1663
1:27:14 --> 1:27:19
He has accomplished way more than I thought

1664
1:27:20 --> 1:27:23
he would ever be able to accomplish in this.

1665
1:27:23 --> 1:27:27
But unfortunately, there is so much baggage

1666
1:27:27 --> 1:27:31
that nobody can do this

1667
1:27:31 --> 1:27:35
and it's in the face of overwhelming opposition

1668
1:27:35 --> 1:27:39
of traitors, seditionists and saboteurs.

1669
1:27:39 --> 1:27:41
And they're all over around us.

1670
1:27:43 --> 1:27:48
And again, why do we have these chemicals in our food?

1671
1:27:48 --> 1:27:52
Well, this is Congress, Congress is allowing that.

1672
1:27:53 --> 1:27:56
Congress is appointing these people heads

1673
1:27:56 --> 1:27:58
of these federal agencies

1674
1:27:58 --> 1:28:00
that are supposed to be the watchdogs.

1675
1:28:00 --> 1:28:05
But instead of the watchdogs for protecting the people,

1676
1:28:05 --> 1:28:09
they're the watchdogs for industry

1677
1:28:10 --> 1:28:13
to protect the industry from the people.

1678
1:28:13 --> 1:28:18
And somehow this got to be so totally subverted.

1679
1:28:18 --> 1:28:21
But yet, just like we were talking about,

1680
1:28:21 --> 1:28:24
let me give you a case in point.

1681
1:28:24 --> 1:28:29
I did this project in California back,

1682
1:28:31 --> 1:28:34
I don't know, several decades ago now.

1683
1:28:34 --> 1:28:39
And it was concerning this crazy rate of,

1684
1:28:43 --> 1:28:48
oh God, that Parkinson's in the Walnut Orchards.

1685
1:28:52 --> 1:28:57
And so why are you having those high rates

1686
1:28:59 --> 1:29:02
of Parkinson's in these areas?

1687
1:29:03 --> 1:29:06
And it was by the farmers and the farm workers there.

1688
1:29:06 --> 1:29:11
Now, look at all of the environmental laws

1689
1:29:11 --> 1:29:14
and the environmental conversation

1690
1:29:14 --> 1:29:16
that you have in California.

1691
1:29:16 --> 1:29:19
If you listen to the politicians,

1692
1:29:19 --> 1:29:23
you would think that California would be the cleanest

1693
1:29:23 --> 1:29:28
and most pristine air and water

1694
1:29:29 --> 1:29:32
and ground in the entire United States.

1695
1:29:32 --> 1:29:35
Diametrically opposed to that,

1696
1:29:35 --> 1:29:40
California, I would say they're the most polluted state

1697
1:29:41 --> 1:29:43
of the air, the ground and the water

1698
1:29:43 --> 1:29:46
in the entire United States.

1699
1:29:46 --> 1:29:51
And this is, a lot of that has to do with the agriculture.

1700
1:29:52 --> 1:29:56
And it's pretty, it's beautiful.

1701
1:29:56 --> 1:30:01
California is a gorgeous state, but it is heavily polluted.

1702
1:30:01 --> 1:30:03
And again, just like we were talking about,

1703
1:30:03 --> 1:30:06
you're taking drinking water

1704
1:30:07 --> 1:30:10
and the things that are in the drinking water,

1705
1:30:10 --> 1:30:12
that which is in the air.

1706
1:30:12 --> 1:30:14
You can go back and look at any environmental studies

1707
1:30:14 --> 1:30:18
and they'll show that two thirds of the population

1708
1:30:18 --> 1:30:23
of California breathe air that is below

1709
1:30:23 --> 1:30:27
the accepted EPA rate.

1710
1:30:29 --> 1:30:33
It's below the lowest standard levels

1711
1:30:33 --> 1:30:35
of acceptable breathing air.

1712
1:30:37 --> 1:30:40
But look at the population, 40 million people.

1713
1:30:40 --> 1:30:45
So you're talking about 25 million people

1714
1:30:46 --> 1:30:48
that are breathing air below the minimum rate.

1715
1:30:48 --> 1:30:52
That's not looking at the air inside people's houses

1716
1:30:52 --> 1:30:53
that they're breathing.

1717
1:30:53 --> 1:30:56
This is the outdoor air.

1718
1:30:56 --> 1:30:59
Well, unless you have active solution

1719
1:31:01 --> 1:31:04
for air quality inside the house,

1720
1:31:04 --> 1:31:09
the indoor as built environment is always going to be

1721
1:31:11 --> 1:31:16
of a lower air quality standard in terms of the out gases

1722
1:31:18 --> 1:31:23
in the air and probably not particulate matter per se,

1723
1:31:23 --> 1:31:27
but in the breathing gases,

1724
1:31:27 --> 1:31:29
the pollutants in the breathing gases,

1725
1:31:29 --> 1:31:32
they're always going to be lower than outside

1726
1:31:33 --> 1:31:36
because the air from outside is what comes in.

1727
1:31:36 --> 1:31:41
There's nothing inside the house that makes breathing air.

1728
1:31:41 --> 1:31:44
Nothing inside the house makes oxygen.

1729
1:31:46 --> 1:31:49
All the oxygen is made out on the open ocean

1730
1:31:49 --> 1:31:53
from phytoplankton and then it's just recirculated

1731
1:31:53 --> 1:31:55
in the wind.

1732
1:31:55 --> 1:32:00
Well, the green plants do their share,

1733
1:32:00 --> 1:32:05
but in most of the areas like in the Amazon basis

1734
1:32:05 --> 1:32:09
actually has a net oxygen production

1735
1:32:09 --> 1:32:14
because you have so much microbial life and insect life

1736
1:32:14 --> 1:32:19
that they consume more oxygen than the trees give off

1737
1:32:19 --> 1:32:24
in some of the largest forest on earth.

1738
1:32:25 --> 1:32:30
So these are all well-known and well-documented seeds

1739
1:32:30 --> 1:32:31
of science.

1740
1:32:32 --> 1:32:36
So back to your question, Stephen, why is it like this?

1741
1:32:36 --> 1:32:38
One of the people allow it.

1742
1:32:39 --> 1:32:42
It's because they're not well-educated

1743
1:32:42 --> 1:32:44
and they get their information from their,

1744
1:32:46 --> 1:32:51
whatever their identity group news channel preference is,

1745
1:32:52 --> 1:32:55
they get it in the six second sound bites

1746
1:32:55 --> 1:32:59
and where your favorite news anchor

1747
1:32:59 --> 1:33:02
is simply reading something off the teleprompter,

1748
1:33:02 --> 1:33:03
they're not even doing it.

1749
1:33:03 --> 1:33:05
They don't even know what it's saying,

1750
1:33:05 --> 1:33:06
they're just reading it,

1751
1:33:06 --> 1:33:08
but they're delivering a script.

1752
1:33:08 --> 1:33:11
It's literally what it is as an actor.

1753
1:33:11 --> 1:33:14
Well, what are they really telling you?

1754
1:33:14 --> 1:33:17
So Meryl, how do we make things better in your opinion

1755
1:33:17 --> 1:33:19
or is it hopeless?

1756
1:33:19 --> 1:33:21
How do you do what?

1757
1:33:21 --> 1:33:24
How do we make things better or is it hopeless?

1758
1:33:24 --> 1:33:29
Well, I'm in the process of helping a nurse practitioner

1759
1:33:30 --> 1:33:35
open up a hyperbaric wellness center now on her ranch.

1760
1:33:35 --> 1:33:39
And so I do this every day, Stephen,

1761
1:33:39 --> 1:33:41
I've done it for decades.

1762
1:33:41 --> 1:33:43
I love doing it.

1763
1:33:43 --> 1:33:45
I do this.

1764
1:33:45 --> 1:33:46
I don't just talk about it.

1765
1:33:46 --> 1:33:47
I do it.

1766
1:33:47 --> 1:33:51
I actively, I go out and I get dirt on my hands

1767
1:33:51 --> 1:33:53
every day doing it,

1768
1:33:53 --> 1:33:56
trying to make the world a better place.

1769
1:33:56 --> 1:34:01
I can't effectuate it across a billion people at a time,

1770
1:34:01 --> 1:34:04
but I can do it a few people at a time.

1771
1:34:04 --> 1:34:09
And just like at my environmental complex in Dallas,

1772
1:34:11 --> 1:34:13
we have over a thousand people a month coming there.

1773
1:34:15 --> 1:34:16
So I do it.

1774
1:34:16 --> 1:34:18
I do it on as large a scale

1775
1:34:19 --> 1:34:24
as I have the financial capability.

1776
1:34:25 --> 1:34:29
I'm hampered by financial capabilities.

1777
1:34:29 --> 1:34:31
But Merrill, you'll be the first to admit

1778
1:34:31 --> 1:34:33
that you can't change the whole universe

1779
1:34:33 --> 1:34:35
with hyperbaric oxygen.

1780
1:34:35 --> 1:34:38
Maybe you can if we educate human beings.

1781
1:34:38 --> 1:34:40
But my question to you,

1782
1:34:40 --> 1:34:43
is it possible to educate human beings

1783
1:34:43 --> 1:34:46
to the required level in the face of all this opposition,

1784
1:34:46 --> 1:34:48
which essentially has weaponized

1785
1:34:48 --> 1:34:50
their stupidity against them?

1786
1:34:51 --> 1:34:56
That is really the salient question, Stephen.

1787
1:34:56 --> 1:34:59
That is the crux of the issue

1788
1:35:00 --> 1:35:05
because it's the overwhelming level of opposition.

1789
1:35:05 --> 1:35:08
And then I mentioned the saboteurs,

1790
1:35:08 --> 1:35:12
traitors and seditionists that are in our midst.

1791
1:35:12 --> 1:35:16
So the people that you think are supposed to be supporting

1792
1:35:16 --> 1:35:21
you are really sabotaging the whole operations.

1793
1:35:22 --> 1:35:26
So it's difficult.

1794
1:35:26 --> 1:35:29
And it really is difficult because most people,

1795
1:35:30 --> 1:35:35
there is this effect in the Dunning-Kruger effect

1796
1:35:35 --> 1:35:37
is one of the fundamentals of a cycle.

1797
1:35:37 --> 1:35:39
Merrill, can I just ask you one thing

1798
1:35:39 --> 1:35:41
that I'm very interested in?

1799
1:35:41 --> 1:35:43
So do you think that we may be,

1800
1:35:43 --> 1:35:48
you and I and others in this group

1801
1:35:48 --> 1:35:50
take things too seriously?

1802
1:35:50 --> 1:35:54
That we should accept that we're here for a short time,

1803
1:35:54 --> 1:35:57
we understand very little.

1804
1:35:58 --> 1:36:02
And no matter how much we struggle,

1805
1:36:02 --> 1:36:03
we're never going to win.

1806
1:36:03 --> 1:36:06
But obviously you could argue that

1807
1:36:06 --> 1:36:08
even if you realize that

1808
1:36:08 --> 1:36:10
you should still try to make things better

1809
1:36:10 --> 1:36:14
because there are advantages to doing that.

1810
1:36:14 --> 1:36:16
You preserve your self-respect,

1811
1:36:16 --> 1:36:18
but actually in the long run,

1812
1:36:18 --> 1:36:20
do we expect too much from ourselves,

1813
1:36:20 --> 1:36:25
from human beings that we see the cats,

1814
1:36:25 --> 1:36:27
cats come into our lives as kittens,

1815
1:36:27 --> 1:36:32
and then they die kind of maybe 20 years later at maximum.

1816
1:36:33 --> 1:36:36
But the fact is they do die.

1817
1:36:36 --> 1:36:38
And the same thing happens to human beings,

1818
1:36:38 --> 1:36:40
but it's not so obvious.

1819
1:36:41 --> 1:36:43
So do we take ourselves too seriously?

1820
1:36:43 --> 1:36:45
And maybe should we maybe concentrate more

1821
1:36:45 --> 1:36:48
on enjoying ourselves and not trying to-

1822
1:36:48 --> 1:36:53
I don't, but I don't take myself seriously.

1823
1:36:55 --> 1:37:00
I take my topic very, very seriously

1824
1:37:00 --> 1:37:05
because the one thing that I accept,

1825
1:37:06 --> 1:37:08
nothing less is excellence.

1826
1:37:08 --> 1:37:10
It's excellence.

1827
1:37:10 --> 1:37:15
You have to be absolutely the best in the world

1828
1:37:15 --> 1:37:17
at whatever it is that you're doing,

1829
1:37:17 --> 1:37:19
irrespective of what it is.

1830
1:37:19 --> 1:37:20
You've got to be the best.

1831
1:37:20 --> 1:37:21
I understand that, yeah.

1832
1:37:21 --> 1:37:24
And with no seconds there,

1833
1:37:24 --> 1:37:28
why is that this fundamental driver?

1834
1:37:28 --> 1:37:32
That's because it's what progresses us as humans.

1835
1:37:34 --> 1:37:38
It's also, I don't take myself seriously,

1836
1:37:38 --> 1:37:43
but I take something that I know who the enemy is.

1837
1:37:45 --> 1:37:50
The enemy is aging, it's disease, and it's death.

1838
1:37:50 --> 1:37:55
So you can come back and you can be the emperor

1839
1:37:57 --> 1:38:02
that says, eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die.

1840
1:38:02 --> 1:38:07
And I'm saying, no, no, that's not accurate.

1841
1:38:08 --> 1:38:12
What is the reason that you're here?

1842
1:38:12 --> 1:38:16
Is it that you just happen to be some organism

1843
1:38:16 --> 1:38:20
that just is just here occupying space

1844
1:38:20 --> 1:38:23
and consuming resources?

1845
1:38:23 --> 1:38:27
And what is your contribution to the planet?

1846
1:38:27 --> 1:38:30
Are you making the planet a better place?

1847
1:38:30 --> 1:38:35
Are you helping the evolution of humanity

1848
1:38:35 --> 1:38:40
as a species or are you a consumer?

1849
1:38:42 --> 1:38:47
How does that actually correlate back to

1850
1:38:49 --> 1:38:52
how many billions of people before us

1851
1:38:52 --> 1:38:56
have walked the planet and without,

1852
1:38:56 --> 1:38:58
you don't even know who they are.

1853
1:38:58 --> 1:39:00
They're totally unnamed

1854
1:39:00 --> 1:39:04
and did not make any contributions to society.

1855
1:39:05 --> 1:39:07
But yet at the same time,

1856
1:39:07 --> 1:39:12
you have the people who made iconoclastic changes in life

1857
1:39:16 --> 1:39:21
that you could really count the true iconoclastic

1858
1:39:21 --> 1:39:26
inventions of humanity across however long it's been.

1859
1:39:26 --> 1:39:31
You literally can count them on the fingers of your hands.

1860
1:39:31 --> 1:39:36
And most somebody in the unnamed person invented a wheel.

1861
1:39:39 --> 1:39:43
Well, but every invention that came from there

1862
1:39:43 --> 1:39:45
simply was taking, okay, whoa,

1863
1:39:45 --> 1:39:49
what I can do is take a stick and put it between two wheels

1864
1:39:49 --> 1:39:52
and I can carry more stuff on it, right?

1865
1:39:52 --> 1:39:54
Because I have an axle on it.

1866
1:39:54 --> 1:39:59
Oh, well, I can add nine more of these axles on there

1867
1:40:00 --> 1:40:02
and I got an 18 wheeler.

1868
1:40:02 --> 1:40:06
You know, that is literally the incremental type

1869
1:40:06 --> 1:40:11
of inventions that have occurred through history.

1870
1:40:11 --> 1:40:15
And in synopsis of your question,

1871
1:40:15 --> 1:40:18
I'm not smart enough to know when to quit.

1872
1:40:19 --> 1:40:22
I know who the enemy is.

1873
1:40:22 --> 1:40:24
The enemy is aging.

1874
1:40:24 --> 1:40:26
The enemy is disease.

1875
1:40:26 --> 1:40:27
The enemy is death.

1876
1:40:28 --> 1:40:32
What is aging?

1877
1:40:32 --> 1:40:34
Is aging a chronological process?

1878
1:40:36 --> 1:40:40
And if it is, what are the modifiers in it?

1879
1:40:40 --> 1:40:45
Well, or is aging strictly a biological process

1880
1:40:45 --> 1:40:50
with no relationship whatsoever to chronology?

1881
1:40:52 --> 1:40:55
And then what is death?

1882
1:40:55 --> 1:40:57
You know, I don't even understand death.

1883
1:40:57 --> 1:41:02
I can visualize and I can mechanistically see life

1884
1:41:06 --> 1:41:09
as we perceive life to be.

1885
1:41:09 --> 1:41:14
I have absolutely no clue what death is

1886
1:41:14 --> 1:41:17
because it doesn't make any sense to me.

1887
1:41:20 --> 1:41:25
But you can look at these things and you can say, okay,

1888
1:41:25 --> 1:41:30
well, I've worked with cancer cells in the laboratory

1889
1:41:33 --> 1:41:38
for decades that are over a hundred years of age,

1890
1:41:39 --> 1:41:44
chronologically that have never aged one single day

1891
1:41:46 --> 1:41:48
in over a hundred years.

1892
1:41:48 --> 1:41:50
How's that theoretically possible?

1893
1:41:52 --> 1:41:54
But yet it is.

1894
1:41:54 --> 1:41:59
So if cancer cells, and if you,

1895
1:41:59 --> 1:42:03
all you gotta do is Google cancer cells immortal

1896
1:42:03 --> 1:42:08
and you will find that all true cancer cells are immortal.

1897
1:42:08 --> 1:42:11
Well, what's the definition of immortality?

1898
1:42:11 --> 1:42:16
And that definition of immortality is that they do not age.

1899
1:42:16 --> 1:42:18
They do not senesce.

1900
1:42:18 --> 1:42:22
There is no such thing as cellular senescence.

1901
1:42:22 --> 1:42:27
Therefore, then why do we see it in normal cells?

1902
1:42:29 --> 1:42:34
Why do we see, you know, when one person has 50 candles

1903
1:42:35 --> 1:42:39
on the birthday cake, they're out playing golf

1904
1:42:39 --> 1:42:41
and playing tennis and everything.

1905
1:42:41 --> 1:42:45
And another person with 50 candles on the birthday cake,

1906
1:42:45 --> 1:42:50
you know, they're basically an invalid

1907
1:42:50 --> 1:42:53
from age-related diseases.

1908
1:42:53 --> 1:42:56
And so then if you go back and you look at historically

1909
1:42:56 --> 1:43:01
at it again, the diseases of, let's just say,

1910
1:43:03 --> 1:43:08
an ancestral population in Northern England

1911
1:43:08 --> 1:43:10
of a thousand years ago,

1912
1:43:11 --> 1:43:16
and then look at that same genetic profile

1913
1:43:17 --> 1:43:21
and look at that same gene pool right now today

1914
1:43:23 --> 1:43:28
and how many of these people live healthy, productive lives.

1915
1:43:30 --> 1:43:34
They're suffering from quote disease

1916
1:43:34 --> 1:43:37
that did not even exist then,

1917
1:43:37 --> 1:43:39
back to the chronic disease states.

1918
1:43:39 --> 1:43:44
These chronic diseases, most of them didn't even exist.

1919
1:43:44 --> 1:43:47
So if they didn't exist, why do they exist now

1920
1:43:47 --> 1:43:48
and they didn't then?

1921
1:43:48 --> 1:43:50
What are these things?

1922
1:43:50 --> 1:43:52
What are the modifiers?

1923
1:43:54 --> 1:43:55
And-

1924
1:43:55 --> 1:43:58
A bit like in my view, COVID doesn't exist.

1925
1:43:58 --> 1:44:02
The diagnosis of COVID-19 was a fraud.

1926
1:44:02 --> 1:44:04
Well, but that's just one thing.

1927
1:44:04 --> 1:44:09
They had a lot of cardiovascular disease, for instance,

1928
1:44:09 --> 1:44:11
heavily, you know, they had high rates

1929
1:44:11 --> 1:44:12
of cardiovascular disease.

1930
1:44:12 --> 1:44:14
They had high rates of-

1931
1:44:14 --> 1:44:15
Who's they?

1932
1:44:15 --> 1:44:18
Metabolic syndromes across the board

1933
1:44:18 --> 1:44:23
and these different types of,

1934
1:44:25 --> 1:44:27
look at so much of the autoimmune disease

1935
1:44:27 --> 1:44:31
is predicated upon molecular biomimicry.

1936
1:44:31 --> 1:44:34
I've been writing a series of papers,

1937
1:44:34 --> 1:44:37
been publishing a series on them

1938
1:44:37 --> 1:44:42
that's iatrogenic disease that the doctors,

1939
1:44:42 --> 1:44:47
the treatment are actually causing the disease.

1940
1:44:47 --> 1:44:52
And just like one was the Janus face of Klebsiella numinae

1941
1:44:58 --> 1:45:02
and its direct implication in the causing,

1942
1:45:02 --> 1:45:07
not associated with the cause of Alzheimer's.

1943
1:45:07 --> 1:45:10
Now, does that mean that Klebsiella,

1944
1:45:10 --> 1:45:12
which is commensal gut microbe,

1945
1:45:13 --> 1:45:18
it causes in these cerebral infective contacts,

1946
1:45:19 --> 1:45:22
it causes Alzheimer's.

1947
1:45:22 --> 1:45:25
Does it cause each and every case of Alzheimer's?

1948
1:45:25 --> 1:45:27
Now I'm not saying that,

1949
1:45:27 --> 1:45:32
but I know that it causes some cases of Alzheimer's.

1950
1:45:33 --> 1:45:38
And so, and I've written a whole lot of papers

1951
1:45:40 --> 1:45:45
than iatrogenic Hashimoto's,

1952
1:45:45 --> 1:45:49
iatrogenic rheumatoid arthritis,

1953
1:45:49 --> 1:45:53
iatrogenic hypothyroidism,

1954
1:45:53 --> 1:45:56
iatrogenic osteoporosis.

1955
1:45:56 --> 1:45:58
And we can go down the line

1956
1:45:58 --> 1:46:01
of at least 20 different maladies there.

1957
1:46:01 --> 1:46:04
And the new paper that I'm writing now

1958
1:46:04 --> 1:46:06
that I'm supposed to be editing right now

1959
1:46:06 --> 1:46:08
and for publication.

1960
1:46:08 --> 1:46:11
And if I can ever get it out

1961
1:46:11 --> 1:46:16
is iatrogenic cerebral mycosis,

1962
1:46:16 --> 1:46:21
which is the pathophysiology

1963
1:46:21 --> 1:46:26
of how you're taking a commensal gut microbe

1964
1:46:26 --> 1:46:31
and the most common cause of this is Candida albicans.

1965
1:46:34 --> 1:46:38
And so the Candidiasis then caused

1966
1:46:38 --> 1:46:42
by taking two things primarily.

1967
1:46:42 --> 1:46:46
And that is three things.

1968
1:46:46 --> 1:46:49
One is antibiotics,

1969
1:46:49 --> 1:46:51
two is protein pump inhibitors

1970
1:46:51 --> 1:46:55
and three is the steroids,

1971
1:46:57 --> 1:46:58
cortical steroids.

1972
1:46:58 --> 1:47:02
And so you add those things together

1973
1:47:02 --> 1:47:05
and it allows fungal colonization of the brain.

1974
1:47:06 --> 1:47:07
Right?

1975
1:47:07 --> 1:47:10
So you get these filamentitious fungi,

1976
1:47:10 --> 1:47:14
you get reproductive fungi

1977
1:47:14 --> 1:47:19
or in a host that is immunocompetent.

1978
1:47:21 --> 1:47:23
Then what it does is it just sets up

1979
1:47:23 --> 1:47:26
all of this neuroinflammation,

1980
1:47:26 --> 1:47:29
secretion of a lot of different cytokines

1981
1:47:29 --> 1:47:34
and interleukins, tumor necrosis factor alpha and such.

1982
1:47:34 --> 1:47:39
And you are unable to make a logical, rational,

1983
1:47:40 --> 1:47:45
cognitive conclusion to your thoughts.

1984
1:47:45 --> 1:47:48
And at the same time, you think you are,

1985
1:47:48 --> 1:47:52
you think that you are in control of your thoughts

1986
1:47:52 --> 1:47:56
and emotions and your body and you're not.

1987
1:47:57 --> 1:48:01
The fungi is actually in control.

1988
1:48:01 --> 1:48:04
And let me give you an example of that one.

1989
1:48:05 --> 1:48:10
You go out and you start on a diet.

1990
1:48:11 --> 1:48:16
Let's just say you're gonna start cutting out your carbs.

1991
1:48:16 --> 1:48:17
You're going on a low carb diet

1992
1:48:17 --> 1:48:21
or you're just cutting out all sugars.

1993
1:48:21 --> 1:48:26
And a day or so later, you start having these cravings.

1994
1:48:27 --> 1:48:32
And the craving says, oh man, you need to eat this sugar.

1995
1:48:35 --> 1:48:37
You need to eat these carbohydrates.

1996
1:48:37 --> 1:48:39
You need to eat this.

1997
1:48:39 --> 1:48:44
And it is your brain telling you that you need to eat it.

1998
1:48:46 --> 1:48:47
Right?

1999
1:48:47 --> 1:48:51
Well, why is your brain telling you that?

2000
1:48:51 --> 1:48:56
And it's because the fungi is actually the ones

2001
1:48:56 --> 1:49:00
that's doing the talking because that's what they eat.

2002
1:49:00 --> 1:49:04
And that's all they eat is sugars,

2003
1:49:04 --> 1:49:09
whether it's a mushroom on a tree that fell in the forest

2004
1:49:09 --> 1:49:14
when it's eating the lignin cellulose out of that tree.

2005
1:49:16 --> 1:49:21
So back to what is that whole concept of disease.

2006
1:49:22 --> 1:49:25
What is the entire concept of aging?

2007
1:49:26 --> 1:49:28
What are these things?

2008
1:49:30 --> 1:49:35
And as opposed to taking ourselves seriously

2009
1:49:36 --> 1:49:39
or me taking myself seriously, I don't.

2010
1:49:40 --> 1:49:42
I don't take myself seriously.

2011
1:49:42 --> 1:49:47
I take the topic as the most fundamental

2012
1:49:47 --> 1:49:50
and the most important thing in life.

2013
1:49:51 --> 1:49:53
Yeah, I don't make a good sick person.

2014
1:49:54 --> 1:49:56
Yeah, I don't enjoy being sick.

2015
1:49:56 --> 1:50:00
I don't enjoy that stuff.

2016
1:50:00 --> 1:50:01
So therefore it's the opposite

2017
1:50:01 --> 1:50:05
of taking myself seriously because I don't wanna be sick.

2018
1:50:06 --> 1:50:11
And so then you ask the question again,

2019
1:50:12 --> 1:50:17
you ask the question again, why do cancers not age?

2020
1:50:20 --> 1:50:24
And the human body apparently does age, why?

2021
1:50:25 --> 1:50:30
And I mean, where did the DNA of the cancer cells come from?

2022
1:50:34 --> 1:50:36
They're from the human host, right?

2023
1:50:36 --> 1:50:39
Unless they're a transmissible cancer.

2024
1:50:39 --> 1:50:41
And that's another topic.

2025
1:50:41 --> 1:50:45
But then if it's from the human host

2026
1:50:45 --> 1:50:49
and the human host is aging, why doesn't the cancer age?

2027
1:50:51 --> 1:50:55
And these big really interesting questions.

2028
1:50:55 --> 1:50:59
And so as opposed to taking yourself seriously

2029
1:50:59 --> 1:51:04
and not enjoying it, the most fun thing that I can think of

2030
1:51:05 --> 1:51:09
is I can sit around with a glass of wine and cheese

2031
1:51:09 --> 1:51:14
and some friends and have these types of discussions.

2032
1:51:14 --> 1:51:15
Man, that's fun.

2033
1:51:16 --> 1:51:21
And I'm talking about doing it in private in my den,

2034
1:51:23 --> 1:51:28
so that I'm not interrupted by outside influences.

2035
1:51:29 --> 1:51:31
And Steven, I don't have TV.

2036
1:51:31 --> 1:51:33
I don't watch TV.

2037
1:51:33 --> 1:51:35
I don't watch the news.

2038
1:51:35 --> 1:51:40
This stuff is mainly driven by opinions.

2039
1:51:40 --> 1:51:44
People ask me on a daily, often,

2040
1:51:44 --> 1:51:46
what is your opinion on this?

2041
1:51:46 --> 1:51:49
And I say, well, I don't have an opinion on it.

2042
1:51:50 --> 1:51:54
I try to develop rational logical conclusions

2043
1:51:54 --> 1:51:56
from a set of facts.

2044
1:51:56 --> 1:51:58
Give me the facts, ask me a question,

2045
1:51:58 --> 1:52:01
I'll give you a conclusion from it

2046
1:52:01 --> 1:52:03
that is logically derived.

2047
1:52:03 --> 1:52:08
My opinion is confined to things like my wife says,

2048
1:52:11 --> 1:52:15
okay, do you wanna have organic cabbage

2049
1:52:15 --> 1:52:17
or organic broccoli for supper?

2050
1:52:17 --> 1:52:19
Well, I think I want broccoli tonight.

2051
1:52:21 --> 1:52:26
But that's still from a selected set of foods

2052
1:52:26 --> 1:52:28
that I know are healthy

2053
1:52:29 --> 1:52:33
and that are the lowest possible contaminations.

2054
1:52:33 --> 1:52:38
So I wrote back on this very, very topic in 1976,

2055
1:52:39 --> 1:52:44
I wrote a series of papers.

2056
1:52:45 --> 1:52:50
And one was the incontrovertible pillars of health,

2057
1:52:50 --> 1:52:54
which states that the incontrovertible pillars of health

2058
1:52:54 --> 1:52:59
are breathing clean air, number one, breathing clean air.

2059
1:52:59 --> 1:53:02
Number two, drinking clean water.

2060
1:53:02 --> 1:53:06
Number three, eating clean food.

2061
1:53:06 --> 1:53:11
Then the proper diet, proper nutrition, proper exercise,

2062
1:53:11 --> 1:53:14
proper hydration, proper sleep,

2063
1:53:14 --> 1:53:19
the avoidance of exogenous environmental exposures,

2064
1:53:19 --> 1:53:23
not just chemical, but all environmental exposures

2065
1:53:23 --> 1:53:27
and hyperoxygenation of the tissues.

2066
1:53:27 --> 1:53:31
Right back to the oxygen again and the hyperbaric oxygen.

2067
1:53:33 --> 1:53:37
All of these, if you do not do every one of those

2068
1:53:37 --> 1:53:41
incontrovertible pillars of health, you will get sick.

2069
1:53:42 --> 1:53:47
That is also the reason that contained within that

2070
1:53:48 --> 1:53:53
is why you cannot take a patient coming into

2071
1:53:54 --> 1:53:56
a doctor's office.

2072
1:53:56 --> 1:53:59
And especially if it's a hospital office

2073
1:53:59 --> 1:54:04
or a medical center and fix that patient,

2074
1:54:06 --> 1:54:08
it won't happen.

2075
1:54:08 --> 1:54:11
And the reason why it won't happen is because

2076
1:54:11 --> 1:54:14
you have no control over the environment,

2077
1:54:14 --> 1:54:19
because the environment is way more important

2078
1:54:20 --> 1:54:22
than every other factor combined.

2079
1:54:22 --> 1:54:26
And most of these quote diseases

2080
1:54:26 --> 1:54:29
or environmentally induced syndromes to begin with.

2081
1:54:30 --> 1:54:35
They're not, and this comes back to

2082
1:54:35 --> 1:54:38
what the definitions of disease are.

2083
1:54:38 --> 1:54:43
Well, when I grew up in my formative years,

2084
1:54:44 --> 1:54:46
well, we knew what a disease was.

2085
1:54:47 --> 1:54:52
The disease was a systemic infection from a pathogen.

2086
1:54:53 --> 1:54:57
This is the Pasteur-Sturm theory of disease.

2087
1:54:57 --> 1:55:02
Now they're trying to say that Pasteur was

2088
1:55:02 --> 1:55:06
the pseudoscientific thing that is not real.

2089
1:55:06 --> 1:55:09
And I'm going, what are you talking about?

2090
1:55:10 --> 1:55:12
That's nonsensical.

2091
1:55:13 --> 1:55:17
Prometheus is nonsensical because

2092
1:55:18 --> 1:55:23
you know, each and every case of pulmonary tuberculosis

2093
1:55:24 --> 1:55:29
in the world is caused by a systemic infection,

2094
1:55:29 --> 1:55:34
pulmonary infection from mycobacterium tuberculosis.

2095
1:55:35 --> 1:55:38
One, one bug.

2096
1:55:39 --> 1:55:41
Well, then it begs the question,

2097
1:55:41 --> 1:55:45
what a mycobacteria really is to begin with.

2098
1:55:46 --> 1:55:50
And then it begs the question of why, you know,

2099
1:55:50 --> 1:55:55
everybody on this call today has been

2100
1:55:55 --> 1:56:00
continuously exposed to mycobacterium tuberculosis.

2101
1:56:01 --> 1:56:03
But I haven't heard anybody coughing up

2102
1:56:03 --> 1:56:05
bloody sputum on here.

2103
1:56:05 --> 1:56:08
So if you're not coughing up bloody sputum,

2104
1:56:08 --> 1:56:13
because each and every case of pulmonary tuberculosis

2105
1:56:13 --> 1:56:17
in the world has almost identical symptoms,

2106
1:56:18 --> 1:56:20
you're coughing up bloody sputum.

2107
1:56:20 --> 1:56:23
And it's still one of the leading causes of mortality

2108
1:56:23 --> 1:56:25
in the world today.

2109
1:56:26 --> 1:56:30
I mean, it's rampant in the cities,

2110
1:56:30 --> 1:56:32
in the inner cities in California,

2111
1:56:32 --> 1:56:36
especially amongst the homeless populations there.

2112
1:56:36 --> 1:56:41
So how can you say that the germs

2113
1:56:43 --> 1:56:45
theory of disease is not valid,

2114
1:56:47 --> 1:56:51
but also contextually intertwining

2115
1:56:51 --> 1:56:55
the role of the immune system in there?

2116
1:56:55 --> 1:56:59
Going back to Bernard's and Vichamp's

2117
1:56:59 --> 1:57:02
terrain theory of disease.

2118
1:57:02 --> 1:57:05
And the germ theory and the terrain theory

2119
1:57:05 --> 1:57:10
are not only not antithetical to one another,

2120
1:57:10 --> 1:57:15
they're actually inextricably linked together.

2121
1:57:15 --> 1:57:17
You say, okay, well, if your immune system

2122
1:57:17 --> 1:57:21
is functioning properly, then you're not gonna catch it.

2123
1:57:21 --> 1:57:24
Your immune system goes down, you know what?

2124
1:57:26 --> 1:57:28
Then you're gonna get sick.

2125
1:57:28 --> 1:57:32
So you better keep your immune system functioning properly.

2126
1:57:33 --> 1:57:37
And properly means in the proper regulation.

2127
1:57:37 --> 1:57:39
It means you don't want it low

2128
1:57:39 --> 1:57:40
and you don't want it too high.

2129
1:57:40 --> 1:57:42
It has to be balanced.

2130
1:57:42 --> 1:57:47
It's the homeostasis that governs all life.

2131
1:57:47 --> 1:57:52
And so back to how is it theoretically possible

2132
1:57:57 --> 1:58:00
that cancers don't age whenever they're derived

2133
1:58:00 --> 1:58:04
from the DNA of the host?

2134
1:58:04 --> 1:58:09
And Merrill, that was a great talk.

2135
1:58:09 --> 1:58:11
I hope everybody is a lot wiser than they were.

2136
1:58:14 --> 1:58:19
So I think that you were saying that for you,

2137
1:58:19 --> 1:58:23
all these things are perfect conundrums

2138
1:58:23 --> 1:58:27
because they give you unending entertainment.

2139
1:58:27 --> 1:58:28
Is that right?

2140
1:58:28 --> 1:58:32
They do, but I can't say that they're not.

2141
1:58:33 --> 1:58:37
But I can also explain that entire pathophysiology

2142
1:58:37 --> 1:58:42
of how aging is not what people think it is

2143
1:58:43 --> 1:58:46
and why the cancers don't age.

2144
1:58:50 --> 1:58:52
By the expression of telomerase.

2145
1:58:53 --> 1:58:56
And so you express telomerase

2146
1:58:56 --> 1:59:01
and it increases the length of the telomeres.

2147
1:59:01 --> 1:59:05
And you can either have it through alternative

2148
1:59:06 --> 1:59:07
lengthening of telomeres

2149
1:59:07 --> 1:59:11
or through just the straightforward normal process.

2150
1:59:11 --> 1:59:16
And you have the transcription factors then do not senesce.

2151
1:59:19 --> 1:59:21
You have no cellular senescence.

2152
1:59:21 --> 1:59:24
So without the cellular senescence,

2153
1:59:24 --> 1:59:28
you don't have the aging process.

2154
1:59:28 --> 1:59:33
But then, and you can look at exactly that same thing

2155
1:59:33 --> 1:59:35
in regular human cells.

2156
1:59:35 --> 1:59:40
And what the issue there comes back to is that

2157
1:59:41 --> 1:59:45
you have a chemical reaction doesn't complete somewhere.

2158
1:59:45 --> 1:59:48
Why doesn't the reaction complete?

2159
1:59:48 --> 1:59:51
No, reaction doesn't complete properly

2160
1:59:51 --> 1:59:53
because just like we were talking about

2161
1:59:53 --> 1:59:58
from having exposure to atrazine and drinking water.

2162
1:59:59 --> 2:00:04
And then you don't have the conversion of androgen

2163
2:00:04 --> 2:00:05
into testosterone.

2164
2:00:05 --> 2:00:08
You know, it's things as simple as that

2165
2:00:08 --> 2:00:10
and it causes a cascade.

2166
2:00:10 --> 2:00:15
One thing does one chemical reaction doesn't complete

2167
2:00:15 --> 2:00:18
the metabolic byproducts then go back

2168
2:00:18 --> 2:00:20
and it causes another one not to complete.

2169
2:00:20 --> 2:00:24
Another exposure causes other chemical reactions

2170
2:00:24 --> 2:00:25
not to complete.

2171
2:00:25 --> 2:00:30
And that becomes the differentiation between aging it we see

2172
2:00:32 --> 2:00:37
and of the disease states of age related disease

2173
2:00:39 --> 2:00:43
like cardiovascular disease and type two diabetes

2174
2:00:43 --> 2:00:45
and you know, and all of those things

2175
2:00:45 --> 2:00:47
that are age related diseases,

2176
2:00:47 --> 2:00:50
even to the neurological diseases.

2177
2:00:52 --> 2:00:55
And these are just cascades of chemical reactions

2178
2:00:55 --> 2:00:57
that are not completing

2179
2:00:57 --> 2:01:00
and of the metabolic waste byproducts.

2180
2:01:00 --> 2:01:05
You know, and so then, you know,

2181
2:01:05 --> 2:01:09
the question is asked, well, rocks age.

2182
2:01:09 --> 2:01:11
And I'm going, no, they don't.

2183
2:01:11 --> 2:01:13
And they said, well, yeah, but you can look at that

2184
2:01:13 --> 2:01:15
or tree ages or rock ages.

2185
2:01:15 --> 2:01:17
No, they don't.

2186
2:01:18 --> 2:01:19
They weather.

2187
2:01:21 --> 2:01:25
Weathering and aging are two totally different things

2188
2:01:25 --> 2:01:30
because the rocks do not senesce.

2189
2:01:31 --> 2:01:36
So, you know, this stuff, a lot of it goes back to just,

2190
2:01:38 --> 2:01:41
listening to the six seconds sound bites

2191
2:01:41 --> 2:01:46
as opposed to thinking through the equations.

2192
2:01:48 --> 2:01:49
Yes.

2193
2:01:50 --> 2:01:54
So intuitive in understanding you mean.

2194
2:01:58 --> 2:02:03
And yeah, and the thing, and again, it comes back to

2195
2:02:04 --> 2:02:06
is there even such a thing as time?

2196
2:02:09 --> 2:02:14
And you can easily look at,

2197
2:02:14 --> 2:02:18
and I actually wrote extensively on this back

2198
2:02:18 --> 2:02:20
in the mid 1970s,

2199
2:02:20 --> 2:02:24
that the only time that you have time,

2200
2:02:24 --> 2:02:29
a thing called time is in the entropic cycle

2201
2:02:31 --> 2:02:36
governed by the published second law of thermodynamics.

2202
2:02:37 --> 2:02:40
It states that, you know, energy flows downhill,

2203
2:02:41 --> 2:02:45
water flows downhill, time flows downhill.

2204
2:02:46 --> 2:02:49
Well, they don't all have to flow downhill at the same rate.

2205
2:02:51 --> 2:02:53
Yeah, right, you have modifiers.

2206
2:02:53 --> 2:02:56
Well, a mountain stream flows downhill faster

2207
2:02:56 --> 2:03:01
than a tidal pool at the river at the edge of the ocean.

2208
2:03:04 --> 2:03:09
So time even changes whenever you accelerate in a spaceship.

2209
2:03:11 --> 2:03:16
And, but then what is the, thank you.

2210
2:03:19 --> 2:03:24
But then you beg the question, what is matter?

2211
2:03:27 --> 2:03:28
What is energy?

2212
2:03:29 --> 2:03:34
And looking at, you know, things like that are very,

2213
2:03:34 --> 2:03:37
very common, like what is photosynthesis?

2214
2:03:37 --> 2:03:40
And what is a photosynthetic reaction

2215
2:03:40 --> 2:03:43
and how does a photosynthetic reaction occur?

2216
2:03:43 --> 2:03:46
And what is quantum tunneling?

2217
2:03:46 --> 2:03:49
What is quantum physics?

2218
2:03:49 --> 2:03:53
And does the reaction then that,

2219
2:03:54 --> 2:03:58
like in photosynthesis or in any enzymatic reaction,

2220
2:03:58 --> 2:04:03
does that even occur in a physics

2221
2:04:04 --> 2:04:09
that is governed by the second law of thermodynamics,

2222
2:04:09 --> 2:04:14
that of entropy, or does it not even pertain to it?

2223
2:04:15 --> 2:04:20
And so I'm telling you, the whole thing is related to

2224
2:04:21 --> 2:04:26
whether the energy is in a cohered state

2225
2:04:27 --> 2:04:32
that we would define as being governed by quantum physics,

2226
2:04:33 --> 2:04:38
or whether it is in a decohered state,

2227
2:04:38 --> 2:04:43
which is this thing like this wooden desk here

2228
2:04:45 --> 2:04:47
that we call matter.

2229
2:04:47 --> 2:04:49
It's nothing, you know, it's condensed energy,

2230
2:04:49 --> 2:04:51
still contains all the energy in it,

2231
2:04:51 --> 2:04:56
but the matter is, you know, it's decohered energy.

2232
2:04:57 --> 2:05:02
And so we are binary beings in many regards.

2233
2:05:04 --> 2:05:08
And one of the things there that is very,

2234
2:05:08 --> 2:05:13
very readily observed is that enzymatic reactions

2235
2:05:15 --> 2:05:18
do not occur in classical physics.

2236
2:05:18 --> 2:05:20
They are non-classical.

2237
2:05:20 --> 2:05:24
And so, you know,

2238
2:05:24 --> 2:05:29
whenever you walk out and you walk in front

2239
2:05:33 --> 2:05:37
of a freight train, the freight train is gonna run you over

2240
2:05:37 --> 2:05:40
because it is comprised of matter

2241
2:05:40 --> 2:05:44
and the second law of thermodynamics,

2242
2:05:44 --> 2:05:48
that law of entropy always governs in those things.

2243
2:05:48 --> 2:05:52
But whenever you look at the enzymatic reactions

2244
2:05:52 --> 2:05:55
that occur in photosynthesis,

2245
2:05:55 --> 2:05:58
or the enzymatic reactions that are occurring,

2246
2:05:58 --> 2:06:01
just like we were talking about the conversion of androgen

2247
2:06:01 --> 2:06:04
into testosterone,

2248
2:06:04 --> 2:06:09
and almost all of the reactions within the human body

2249
2:06:09 --> 2:06:12
are actually enzymatic.

2250
2:06:12 --> 2:06:17
Those enzymatic reactions do not occur in classical physics.

2251
2:06:17 --> 2:06:20
They're totally non-classical.

2252
2:06:20 --> 2:06:25
By, you know, and this is cohere energy.

2253
2:06:27 --> 2:06:30
Whenever the energy is cohere,

2254
2:06:30 --> 2:06:33
there is no such thing as time.

2255
2:06:33 --> 2:06:35
Time does not exist.

2256
2:06:35 --> 2:06:38
There's no now, there's no past, there's no future.

2257
2:06:39 --> 2:06:44
And so we live in both of those worlds.

2258
2:06:46 --> 2:06:49
Now, is that in the same universe?

2259
2:06:49 --> 2:06:50
Yeah, same universe.

2260
2:06:50 --> 2:06:54
It's just that one is seen, one is unseen.

2261
2:06:54 --> 2:06:58
And at this stage of our technological evolution,

2262
2:06:58 --> 2:07:03
we have very, very limited knowledge

2263
2:07:04 --> 2:07:09
of the cohere energy and very, very little instrumentation

2264
2:07:11 --> 2:07:13
by which we can even measure any of it.

2265
2:07:16 --> 2:07:17
But-

2266
2:07:17 --> 2:07:21
Meryl, so you've spoken for more than an hour now.

2267
2:07:21 --> 2:07:22
That's brilliant.

2268
2:07:23 --> 2:07:24
I did.

2269
2:07:24 --> 2:07:27
Yeah, I don't know how you remember it.

2270
2:07:27 --> 2:07:27
I wasn't paying attention.

2271
2:07:27 --> 2:07:29
You don't seem to get tired either.

2272
2:07:29 --> 2:07:34
So what will Tran do, Meryl?

2273
2:07:34 --> 2:07:39
I will, I think Charles will publish, you know,

2274
2:07:39 --> 2:07:41
this that we've talked about now.

2275
2:07:42 --> 2:07:46
For those who are interested, they can listen, you know,

2276
2:07:46 --> 2:07:48
whether we'll do it separately, you know,

2277
2:07:48 --> 2:07:51
so the guests tonight and then you,

2278
2:07:52 --> 2:07:56
whether we do them separate two videos or one video,

2279
2:07:56 --> 2:07:57
we'll try and decide that.

2280
2:07:57 --> 2:08:02
But anyway, would you like a copy of the video

2281
2:08:02 --> 2:08:04
when it's done?

2282
2:08:04 --> 2:08:05
Oh, absolutely.

2283
2:08:05 --> 2:08:07
Yeah.

2284
2:08:07 --> 2:08:10
So that you can, but thank you so much

2285
2:08:10 --> 2:08:13
for talking to us, Meryl.

2286
2:08:13 --> 2:08:18
And we can talk again, obviously.

2287
2:08:19 --> 2:08:20
All right.

2288
2:08:20 --> 2:08:24
Who do you think, we've had some great guests recently.

2289
2:08:24 --> 2:08:25
Oh, well, this is on the recording,

2290
2:08:25 --> 2:08:28
so be careful how you put it.

2291
2:08:28 --> 2:08:29
I was gonna say-

2292
2:08:29 --> 2:08:31
You've had some really great guests.

2293
2:08:31 --> 2:08:36
I'm absolutely astounded at the skill level of your guests.

2294
2:08:39 --> 2:08:43
I like Peter Tickton

2295
2:08:43 --> 2:08:47
and you know, the would-be attorney general

2296
2:08:47 --> 2:08:51
of the United States and Andrew Paquette.

2297
2:08:52 --> 2:08:57
Also Peter Clements in New Mexico,

2298
2:08:58 --> 2:09:00
I thought was outstanding.

2299
2:09:04 --> 2:09:05
You there, Meryl?

2300
2:09:05 --> 2:09:08
Anyway, Meryl, we'll get a copy of the video to you.

2301
2:09:08 --> 2:09:11
And if you let me know if it doesn't arrive

2302
2:09:11 --> 2:09:12
and I'll sort it out.

2303
2:09:14 --> 2:09:15
Thank you so much.

2304
2:09:19 --> 2:09:21
You've got a couple of hands up there, Stephen.

2305
2:09:24 --> 2:09:26
Yeah, I'm gonna stop the recording now, Jeremy,

2306
2:09:26 --> 2:09:31
so that we'll be able to see the video.

2307
2:09:31 --> 2:09:33
I'm recording now, Jeremy, so that's...

2308
2:09:35 --> 2:09:36
Wait a minute.