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Hello everyone, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.

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This group was founded over four years ago by Stephen Frost, a British trained medical

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doctor.

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I'm Charles Kovash, your moderator in Australia at this time.

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We remember Anna de Bussere who died a year ago, a true freedom warrior lawyer.

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Arno van Kessel who is unlawfully jailed in the Netherlands and Ryan LaFolmick unlawfully jailed

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in Jerusalem.

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We call for the immediate release of both of those lawyers.

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Our group is a blend of voices of professions from all around the world, not just medical

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doctors.

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Many once viewed vaccines as benign.

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Now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers with pride, including me and anybody who

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takes a vaccine must know that the godfather of vaccines, the one book you got up there,

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the Salary Report, the godfather of vaccines himself, Stanley Plotkin has conceded that

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no vaccine in human history has ever been properly tested for safety and efficacy.

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And I bring to your attention the book Forbidden Facts by Gavin De Becker.

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Read it, carry it in your pocket.

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And anyone who says vaccines are safe and effective, just pull this book out and say

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to them, here's my resource, what's yours?

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Because their resource does not exist.

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Do not jab yourself as Judy Mikovits has said to us.

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Stop putting stuff into your body, particularly toxins.

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First timers, you're warmly welcomed.

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Introduce yourself in the chat, share where you're from.

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We're in the thick of a global struggle that we call World War Three with medical and scientific

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battles among 12 battle fronts.

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The propaganda battlefront is another one.

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The spiritual battlefront is another.

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We're five and a half years into this fight with more to come.

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There's no room for weariness.

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Stay strong, stay healthy.

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Science we know is never done.

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It thrives on challenge and inquiry.

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Some here believe in viruses, others see them as fiction, and many are still exploring.

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All views fuel our dialogue.

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We'll hear from our guest presenter, Alexander Makouris, UK barrister originally from the

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land of the Greeks and allegedly democracy.

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We know it was democracy, but also an expert on Russia and geopolitical matters and co-founder

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of the Duran.

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Alexander will speak for as long as he wishes, and then we'll be followed by Q&A per tradition.

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Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes.

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This is a free speech haven appropriately moderated to keep ideas flowing.

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Free speech is our weapon to safeguard human liberties.

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If something offends you, be offended.

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And if in your day-to-day life someone says to you, I'm offended by what you say, never

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apologise.

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And one of the good, I've got nine standard responses to that issue.

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If someone says they're offended, tell them you're offended, that they dare to say they're

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offended, and now you're both offended.

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So what do they suggest happens?

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However, we choose love over fear.

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Fear binds and sickens and diminishes and squashes.

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Love liberates, heals, inspires and expands you.

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These twice weekly gatherings are far from mere talk.

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They've birthed real world actions and alliances.

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A key tactic in our fight for exposing medical crimes on social media, rallying behind the

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demand of medical truth now.

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I'm losing the show.

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What we want is medical truth now.

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And this book is heading there as is Aaron's series book, Vaccines, Amen, that I'm almost

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finished reading.

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It's just a wonderfully put together book by Aaron, who deposed Stanley Plotkin for

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nine hours, as many of you know.

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Medical truth now is crafted by John Rappaport, who is also presented to us.

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So we're thrilled that Alexander McCourus has come back to speak to us again.

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Let me give you a bit of background about Alexander for those who don't know him.

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These are in the show notes.

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And and and and.

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Where did I put my wonderful background on you, Alexander?

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Golly, gosh, how disappointing.

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Just one second.

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I'll get it.

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So Alexander was born in Athens in 1961, arrived in London in 1968 at the age of seven.

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He was educated at University College London, got a BA in modern history in first class

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honours, passed his solicitor finals in 87, called to the bar in 2006.

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He's been political advisor and speechwriter to the Minister of Culture in Greece from

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1981 to 1994.

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He's been in private legal practice for 10 years, solicited at the Royal Courts of

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Justice for 11 years.

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He's been a writer commentator on Russian and world affairs for since 2012, which is

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13 years, and is the co-founder of the Duran website and the Duran channel in 2018.

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Alexander, great to have you again and touch on the issue of jury trial and the appointment

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of judges before you get back into your thing as requested by Stephen.

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Over to you and you can share your screen any time you wish.

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Absolutely.

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Can I just say thank you very much for inviting me here again.

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And I'm very, very happy to be here.

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Well, we were talking about jury trial and it was discussed and it was raised about the

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fact that David Lammy, who is now a Minister of Justice, basically wants to massively

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restrict jury trial and it's also been pointed out that the appointment of judges by the

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government, in effect, without supervision by parliament or without any parliamentary

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role is also a massive attack on liberty, on the ability of people to exercise their

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rights of liberty and their protections under the law and a massive, massive expansion of

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governmental power.

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And this is absolutely correct.

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Now, if I could talk first about jury trial, I've seen juries in action.

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I've never actually argued cases before juries because I was never involved in criminal cases

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or anything of that kind.

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I know many, many people who have worked in the criminal justice system as barristers,

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as judges, as lawyers, and I've known people who have been prosecuted through the criminal

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justice system, all of them, and I can say this without any exceptions at all, and they're

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people of many different views and different backgrounds.

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All of them are agreed that jury systems are absolutely a fundamental part of protecting

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liberty and freedom and making, ensuring that justice works properly and justice is properly

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done.

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The very last thing you want to do is to have judges, judges alone, or even appointed judges

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with appointed magistrates conducting trials.

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That would make a kind of bureaucratic system take over the justice system.

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If I can just give an example of what I mean, if you are expecting a court system to actually

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be open to ideas about virus, vaccines, medical things, you absolutely want to have juries

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to argue these points before because judges, and I've worked with many judges in my time

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in the High Court and elsewhere, are almost by definition going to go with the conventional

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wisdom, and they're going to be very, very resistant to argument.

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Now having worked within the Royal Courts of Justice, I have seen judges, I've seen

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the judicial system work from the inside, I've seen the High Court system work from

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Even then, in the 90s, the way in which judges were appointed was incredibly opaque.

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It was basically done without any real external check by the law chancellor's department,

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which is today the Ministry of Justice.

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It's absolutely part of the executive.

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This is a bureaucratic extension of the power of the state.

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Anybody who thinks that judges are not ultimately state functionaries is mistaken.

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I mean, that's the politest word I can use.

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Many of them are decent people.

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Many of them care about the law.

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But over the time that I have been following legal practice, I would say that gradually,

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steadily, they have become more and more closer to government, to state, to the way in which

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the functions of the state work.

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So you need juries, you need the outside people to come in, in order to provide the check.

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It is absolutely part of our legal tradition, and it's a key part of the system of democracy

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and freedom.

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Democracy, all right, we can be cynical about it.

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But in terms of introducing the outside people, the outside, the public, 12 jurors, I would

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absolutely not deal with it.

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And the point that was made previously, that the problems in the legal system have very

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little to do with juries are absolutely true.

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It was mentioned that the legal system is underfunded, which is true as well.

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But I would just add something else, which is important to say.

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One of the other problems is the enormous expansion of law, the way in which law, new

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law is being produced all the time.

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And much of it simply duplicates law, which already exists and which takes it further

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and further away, in fact, from the simpler conceptions of law that previously existed.

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And I have a particular issue, for example, with a lot of the so-called terrorism legislation,

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which is enormously cumbersome and which simply criminalizes or recriminalizes things which

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are already criminal.

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Terrorists never do anything that isn't criminal already, if you think about it.

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But what it is doing, what it does, again, is that it weakens what lawyers and most people

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as due process and again, places more control into the hands of the judiciary.

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And I'll give an example, and this is where I'll start, because obviously we can talk

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about this for hours, and I would certainly love to talk about this for hours.

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But one of the things that has been happening increasingly, and I personally have been warned

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against, is that several people that I know, people who are commentators, including a member

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of the House of Lords, and have been critical of government policy, have been stopped at

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airports and at other entry points, railway stations, coming into Britain, questioned

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under the terrorism acts, told that they have no right of silence, no right to legal representation

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when they are questioned.

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And these people have nothing to do with terrorism.

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They're not in any way connected with terrorist organizations or terrorist issues.

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It's just being used basically to mount phishing expeditions, to take away their laptops and

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their mobile phones and documents that they might be carrying and to open the way for

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searches.

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The judiciary is upholding this practice, just as the judiciary is upholding the practice

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of the British government imposing sanctions against individuals using the Russian sanctions

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as the vehicle to do it, which again punishes people who are British citizens without recourse

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to law.

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And again, the courts have upheld it.

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There was a recent case in the Supreme Court which upheld it.

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One judge on the Supreme Court spoke out against it.

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That was Lord Leggett.

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But the majority, because they are ultimately functionaries, went along with it.

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So I've spoken at length.

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This is obviously a matter that I feel strongly about.

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But that's what I wanted to say.

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And obviously people want to ask me questions and they are free to.

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What I wanted to talk about, and in fact I saw it was coming up very much in the discussions

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that have been happening, is absolutely the point about free speech and about free speech

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being about the ability to cause offence.

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And in fact, if you take away the right to cause offence, then by definition there is

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no free speech.

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Now what is extraordinary about this is that this has been well or was or used to be very

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well understood indeed.

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There's actually a line of cases stretching back to the 19th century, particularly in

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the United States, that make that very point.

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If you go back to the 18th century in this country, in Britain, you could argue, in fact

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could properly argue that the Wilkes case, which was dates in the 18th century, in which

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John Wilkes, a journalist, said things that were critical about the King, is about the

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same point.

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Absolutely free speech is about saying things that will offend people.

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If you take that away, obviously you have no free speech.

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And this is true about medical matters.

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There are lots of people out there, for example, who believe in viruses, who believe in vaccines,

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who believe in all kinds of treatment.

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They would be furious if you told them that if you consent to having your children injected,

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then that might be putting your children at risk, just to give an example.

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But that's what you have to do.

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That's what the right of free speech must be.

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Because if you take that away, then again, you're appointing a hierarchy of people who

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say they know the truth, who are the priesthood, if you like, the gatekeepers of what is acceptable.

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And of what is not.

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And then, of course, all discussion, all free debate ends.

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And with the ending of free debate and with free discussion, science stops.

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Now I am not a scientist.

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I never have been.

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But again, I know a little bit about the history of science, stretching way back into the Middle

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Ages and beyond.

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And what I would say this is that the progress, the advance of science, or so it seems to

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me, has always depended on free speech, on the ability of people to argue with each other,

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to make radical points, points that might be contentious, which people might disagree

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with, people which might offend others.

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And that's how things move forward.

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If you take away, again, the ability of people to argue and to cause offense, then science

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cannot advance.

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You are back to the situation which Galileo faced in the late 16th and early 17th century,

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when he argued that the system where the planets revolve around the Earth is wrong, and the

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is the system where the planets revolve around the sun.

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And that caused great offense to many people.

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And as we know, he was severely punished and in fact silenced for it and was made to retract

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because of it.

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And it is widely accepted.

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And this is well known amongst historians.

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This I can say with confidence because I've studied this period, that the fact that in

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Italy restrictions of that kind were placed on free speech, on the ability to argue and

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to debate, stultified science in the Mediterranean world and made it possible for science instead

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to move to Northern Europe, to the Netherlands, ultimately to England.

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And that is why the great scientific advances were made in Northern Europe instead of in

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the South.

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So one of the alarming things that has happened over the last 30 years or so is we've had

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this concept that people must be comfortable, that they must not be challenged.

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It's said all the time.

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I've experienced it myself.

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I have to face it every day when I go out on YouTube, there are always people there

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keeping an eye on what I'm saying.

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I have to use elliptical words, a complex language in order to get my points across and to be

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careful of what I say.

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And of course, that isn't free speech.

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It restricts what people want to say, what people want, need to hear.

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And that leads from one problem to another.

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And it makes things more difficult and worse and worse.

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And I spoke about science, but politics is no different.

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We made major mistakes in politics, which we have done.

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And in foreign policy, for example, it's precisely because there are all sorts of issues

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which are not open any longer to discussion.

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So that was what I wanted to say.

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But we can also discuss trial by jury, the criminal justice system, the very, very frightening

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things that are happening there.

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And believe me, they are frightening.

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Excellent, Alexander.

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Thank you so much for that.

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So you're not going to touch on Russia yet?

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There'll be a question.

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Oh, well, I'm sure there'll be lots of questions about Russia.

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So, OK, the laws in the UK we've been observing in Australia, Australia is following the same

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pattern of bringing in these disinformation laws and misinformation.

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And it is up to us.

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That's why we come to this group.

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It's up to us to not comply, to not consent to these laws.

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And the more that we comply for convenience sake, and Sarah Myhill, welcome.

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She's a doctor who didn't comply and there are many doctors here who didn't comply, including

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Gerry Waters.

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The that willingness, the choice is clear.

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You either take the steps and push back against what you don't believe and and laws that attack

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our inalienable rights, which I consider to be free speech, and the right to a job and

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the right not to be killed.

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And if we don't push back against it, the state will take over.

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Like it's it become as bad as it ever was in the days of Stalin.

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So that's the choice that we have.

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And sometimes I wonder, Alexander, when you look at North Korea, while Stephen's collecting

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his thoughts and others can put their hands up in due course.

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But in North Korea, there are 20 million people, one million looked after by the state magnificently.

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And essentially, each of those one million looks after 19 people and monitors everything

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that they do.

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It's a wonderful control system.

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And that's where the UK and in my opinion, the UK, I say this publicly many times, the

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UK is lost.

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Bad luck, you're gone, unless something radical happens with the 85% who are not Islamic,

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because Islam will take over the UK and the double and triple legal system is going to

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be a disaster.

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And there's ongoing attempts in Australia to do the same thing.

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You have two legal systems, one for the indigenous, one for special groups, and one for the rest

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of the people.

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So Alexander, you know, the work is cut out.

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And that's, you know, the question of I keep asking Mark Dyer and other people in the UK,

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whether the people are going to rise up.

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And I'm interested in your thoughts, whether they will.

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Can I just before we talk about that, say that what you say about Australia is massively

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concerning, because one thing I can tell you is that the British courts look at what happens

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to us in Australia.

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The decisions of the Australian courts are treated as precedents in England, ahead of

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those say, decisions on common law issues made in the United States, the High Court

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of Australia.

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It's the right title is very well regarded in England.

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And Australia used to be a check, because Australia was always believed in England to

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have a stronger commitment to free speech than England did.

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Because you know, we've had free speech in England, but there's always been opposition

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also, there's always come from government, a desire to restrict free speech.

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It goes all the way back again to the Wilkes case, where we had the Official Secrets Acts

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we've had all of these things, whereas Australia pushed back in the 1980s.

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I very well remember the Spycatcher case, which was a book published by a dissident

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British intelligence officer.

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He couldn't publish it in Britain.

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He published it in Australia.

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And because it was published in Australia, it was eventually published in Britain.

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I have, by the way, the Australian edition here in that library behind me.

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And it made a difference.

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It opened up the system in Britain.

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If Australia is closing down, then that is very bad news for us.

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So please, in Australia, do fight back.

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In Britain, we are trying to fight back.

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It's more difficult perhaps here, because well, I don't know how difficult or easy

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it is in Australia, but it's very difficult here in Britain.

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But we do fight back.

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I was talking about this practice of people being stopped at airports, but we're trying

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to make legal challenges against this.

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So if we lose, however, your example, well, it becomes more difficult still.

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It is a problem.

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And the courts with the left-wing government of Albanese continues that trend.

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And you made a comment that judges go with conventional wisdom.

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Another variation of that is that judges don't make culture.

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They follow culture.

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And so it's up to us, as in wherever you live, it's up to us to drive that culture.

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That culture is, I do not consent to the taking away of my inalienable rights.

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So everybody, that's why we're here.

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So Stephen, the next 15 minutes is yours, buddy.

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Alexander, I'm not sure that you...

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So the bit that you've just done on jury trial and appointment of judges

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was incredibly useful to us, to me, a non-lawyer.

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But I do understand the law because I've had a brush with it in my huge whistleblowing case.

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So I'm not sure what you...

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Were you going to just do questions and answers throughout the...

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Or did you have a presentation that you would like...

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Did you want to speak?

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Because that was only a prelude, as I understood it.

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But maybe you just want to have questions and answers.

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I would be happy to do questions and answers because...

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The whole thing.

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If that's correct.

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Yeah, absolutely, yes.

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Yeah, so one of my questions is listening to you.

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It seems that lawyers like to meddle with the law, which they try to follow, or do they?

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Changes to the law, take it further and further away from the people,

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or from the intention of the good lawyers, shall we say.

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So the Nuremberg Code, in my opinion, is highly relevant.

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But it was actually designed by American prosecutors,

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or by people following up on the prosecutions, American prosecutions, of the doctors.

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The doctors' trial in Nuremberg, which is absolutely...

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It's all about human medical experimentation, which of course is exactly what was going on

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in 2020, 2021, 2022, still going on.

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Because huge numbers of people, in my opinion, as the doctor,

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have got Stockholm syndrome and they don't even realise it.

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And the doctors haven't realised it either,

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which means it's not going to be diagnosed, and if it's not diagnosed, nobody can be helped.

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So all these people wandering around in trance since 2020, never recovered,

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can't travel suddenly, never laugh these days.

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They've lost themselves, they've lost their souls, and they don't even realise.

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They've been robbed of their souls by the perpetrators,

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and nobody's been held to account.

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And the ridiculous inquiry, Covid inquiry in the UK, finds that,

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we should have locked down earlier.

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No, we should never have locked down at all.

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Any doctor in the world should have known.

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It was obvious they didn't need proof.

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They just needed to speak out and say it's not appropriate to isolate human beings,

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because we are highly social animals.

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We learned that at my medical school.

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Highly social animals, very dangerous to isolate babies and children, and anybody, in fact.

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So they outrageously did it.

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The governments did it all around the world, arrogantly, and the doctors went along with it.

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The doctors should never have gone along with it.

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It was absolutely crazy.

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So anyway, human medical experimentation in 2020, still going on, in my opinion.

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Nobody held to account for it.

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And the Nuremberg Code is there.

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And when I first mentioned the Nuremberg Code in 2021, I think it was,

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I was talking about the Nuremberg, maybe in 2020 as well.

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I was told that, you know, it's a bit harsh to be talking about human medical experimentation

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and the Nuremberg Code.

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But actually, I realize now, it wasn't harsh at all.

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It was just, it was absolutely appropriate to talk about the Nuremberg Code.

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And then a lot of Americans were saying, oh, it doesn't apply in America.

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Doesn't apply.

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No, it had come to be diluted by exactly what you were talking about.

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The people meddling with the law, they knew what they were doing.

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The Nuremberg Code was indirigible, was intended to be indirigible.

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And then all of a sudden, the Helsinki Protocols and the goodness knows what else,

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watered it all down.

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And then people got the message.

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The Nuremberg Code didn't matter.

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But it was an absolutely brilliant document.

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You've only got to read it to see how appropriate it was, how relevant it was to what happened in

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2020.

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So I just wonder what your thoughts are on this because this goes to the very heart of

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the reason that I formed this group.

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Whenever people, whenever lawyers say that this is something too harsh or too complicated

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or too far in the past, then you need to be extremely careful because that is their way

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of avoiding and evading responsibilities.

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I mean, we go back to trial by jury, for example.

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Trial by jury is enshrined in, I think it's Article 39 of Magna Carta, which is still

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relevant law.

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It actually says that the king will not come after you or punish you except by due process

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of law and by trial by your peers.

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That's that.

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So that's that is the core foundational document.

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It's the first.

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It's the first imported English statute.

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I mean, there are a few others, but it's the first one.

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But of course, you try and move away from it.

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You come up with new laws and do all of those things.

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Now, I am astonished to hear that in the United States of all places, they would say that

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the Nuremberg Code on any matter has been superseded because all of Nuremberg, every

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single part of Nuremberg, the Nuremberg principles altogether are products of American

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jurisprudence.

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It was this was a period of time in the late 19th and early 20th century when American

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jurisprudence reached heights which have perhaps never been equals, well, certainly have been

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equal since.

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And they brought it all together in Nuremberg.

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They tried the the Nazi, well, the various war criminals there, and they specifically

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said, and they said it many times throughout the trials, this is not this is authoritative

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and it applies always and it applies to us to us ourselves.

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They actually said this.

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So for them to come around along now and say, well, actually, you know, it doesn't really

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apply anymore.

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It was all in the past.

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We've now moved beyond.

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We've made our law a little more interesting and more complicated and all of that.

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I mean, frankly, I mean, that staggers me.

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It horrifies me.

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It doesn't surprise me because it is happening all the time.

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As I said, law is the more law is produced, the less law there really is.

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You don't want too much law.

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You want as little law as possible.

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This is, by the way, a very well understood legal principle, going all the way back to

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when law was first really thought about, you know, thousands of years ago by the Romans,

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by the Roman jurists.

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As less law as you can, because the more law you have, the more law is controlled by the

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lawyers who then become themselves a caste and who ultimately controls the lawyers.

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Well, ultimately, governments and bureaucracies and those kind of officials do.

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So I think those are those are the few things I would say.

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Now, you know, is it permissible for me to ask a question here?

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True.

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Yeah.

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Why?

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Can I just ask this question?

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Why did so many why did the medical professions overall support lockdowns?

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Because I am not a doctor.

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I am not somebody who knows very much about medical science.

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But if I switch on my television or the radio, whatever,

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and I read in the newspapers that everybody, all the medical agencies, all the BMA in Britain,

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every one of them is telling you lockdown is what is needed.

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Well, how am I who am not a doctor, who I'm not an expert going to argue against it?

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Now, as it happens, because I've worked with experts, I am very, I am sometimes a bit more

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careful in accepting advice of so-called experts.

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And when I see statisticians or people who say they're statisticians

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making comments about medical matters, I wonder whether these are people who are really experts.

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Alexander, trust me, lockdown should never have happened.

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Well, explain to me why it was done with the doctors.

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I mean, I know why lawyers behave the way.

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Because the government was careful to create multiple cults, including a doctor's cult,

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which was supporting the NHS and getting the NHS through the winter and all this nonsense.

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Well, actually, the summer saved the NHS and they were getting people to clap on it.

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It was absolute disgrace what the doctors did.

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And when I pointed out the Nuremberg Code to them in December of 2020,

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because on December the 8th, a certain individual in the United Kingdom was the first

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person in the world to receive the Covid vaccine.

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And guess what his name was, Alexander?

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He couldn't make this up.

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Can you remember?

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I don't remember.

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William Shakespeare.

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Of course.

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If that's not a joke, I don't know what is.

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There's no chance that that first patient who got the Covid jab in the United Kingdom,

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and thereby the whole world, the first person in the world to receive,

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was called William Shakespeare.

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And yet people accepted it unquestioningly.

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It was just ridiculous.

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So what they did in the medical profession, they created a dangerous cult, if you like, of fear.

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And the doctors couldn't, that's being generous to them.

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They are doctors, so they should have understood that this was wrong.

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They didn't understand.

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It's a disgrace what happened.

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And I don't care.

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I will talk to any doctor in the world and say the exact same thing,

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and they won't have an argument.

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I know it.

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And they just want me to disappear when I start talking about it.

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Any doctor who spoke out against the narrative got struck off by the general medical council.

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That was the problem.

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Well, it's not the only problem.

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Well, sorry, Alexander.

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It's a lack of courage to stand up for what you believed in,

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and also an inability to work towards the truth with other human beings who they...

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Sorry, Alexander.

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Can I answer your question?

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No.

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As a GP who's on the front line...

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Sorry?

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Yeah, so anyway, Alexander, this is very important.

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It's really important.

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So the people who aren't doctors need to understand that the best people to explain to them

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what's happened to them in 2020, 2021, and what's still happening to them now,

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are medical doctors, very unfortunately.

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The good ones, the ones who paid for their beliefs as I did, as Sarah Myhill has done.

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Or Jerry Waters, yes.

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So there are many others, as you know,

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but there are not as many as you would like.

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So there was an atmosphere of coercion and fear.

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Sorry, Alexander, can I just point out, as a GP on the front line in 2020, during 2020,

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and having done it for 40 years, 40 previous winters I'd been through the flu season,

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and first of all, the first thing you got to realize that they actually missed the flu season.

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Flu season is sort of November, December, January, February, and this came in in March.

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So I knew instantly there was no pathogen in my community.

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I couldn't speak about any other community.

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In my community, there was no pathogen as such, nothing unusual.

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In fact, it was a low pathogenic flu season.

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And I spoke to my GP colleagues, I spoke to a number of colleagues,

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and they all kind of said, yeah, there's nothing much there, there's nothing much there.

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So then your question has to be, why did they row in,

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in the absolute knowledge that there was nothing there?

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Well, it was quite subtle.

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In Ireland, and I think this was probably reflected around the world,

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they start paying us 70 euros per telephone consultation.

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This sounds crazy, but this is the truth.

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And your nurse or your secretary could take the telephone calls,

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or you could take them from bed at home.

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And, you know, so lots of doctors sat in their pajamas,

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we were told not to examine our patients, you know,

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and we weren't even allowed to take our patients out of their cars.

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They sat in the car.

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So with the result, the nurses and secretaries and doctors were doing consultations

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at 70 euros a tro, plus their salaries.

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This is the truth.

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And that what that was, that was the first couple of shovels digging the hole.

532
0:39:19 --> 0:39:21
So they start digging the hole.

533
0:39:21 --> 0:39:27
So for the best part, between March of 2020, and, you know, the end of 2020,

534
0:39:27 --> 0:39:30
they were digging this hole and making a fortune.

535
0:39:31 --> 0:39:32
Absolutely.

536
0:39:32 --> 0:39:37
And then when some of them began to cop on that this wasn't true,

537
0:39:37 --> 0:39:40
they were too deep in because they had stayed at home,

538
0:39:40 --> 0:39:45
saying, oh, this is so pathogenic that you know, you couldn't even touch a patient,

539
0:39:45 --> 0:39:47
you couldn't look at a patient.

540
0:39:47 --> 0:39:51
At that stage, I was saying, I was saying, do a post mortem on everybody.

541
0:39:51 --> 0:39:54
And to actually prove what I'm saying, everything,

542
0:39:55 --> 0:40:00
I said all this to my academic body, the ICGP and to Department of Health.

543
0:40:00 --> 0:40:03
I was saying all this, let's do post mortems.

544
0:40:03 --> 0:40:06
Let's diagnose the cause of death in elderly people.

545
0:40:06 --> 0:40:07
And they wouldn't.

546
0:40:07 --> 0:40:10
And the reason they wouldn't, because if you did a post mortem,

547
0:40:10 --> 0:40:15
they would prove that in effect, people were not dying of the characteristic

548
0:40:15 --> 0:40:19
changes that happened in the alveoli of people with or at that stage,

549
0:40:19 --> 0:40:25
they were saying the people with COVID were dying with characteristic alveolar

550
0:40:25 --> 0:40:27
changes within the blood vessels.

551
0:40:28 --> 0:40:31
They wouldn't allow post mortems because part of the reason

552
0:40:31 --> 0:40:35
for not doing post mortems that it was too deadly, it was too serious.

553
0:40:35 --> 0:40:40
And I was saying to everybody, I will open the patients for post mortems

554
0:40:40 --> 0:40:41
without wearing a mask.

555
0:40:42 --> 0:40:44
That would have been a stupid thing to do because they might have had

556
0:40:44 --> 0:40:45
something else.

557
0:40:45 --> 0:40:47
But that's what I was saying to my patients.

558
0:40:47 --> 0:40:51
And right through all of that year, I was saying I wouldn't do phone

559
0:40:51 --> 0:40:52
consultations.

560
0:40:52 --> 0:40:56
I was bringing my patients in, I was examining them face to face, no masks,

561
0:40:56 --> 0:40:58
no PPI, no nothing.

562
0:40:59 --> 0:41:02
That upset the medical council.

563
0:41:02 --> 0:41:05
So anyway, that's how it started.

564
0:41:05 --> 0:41:08
They took in the GPs with money.

565
0:41:08 --> 0:41:11
Then the GPs couldn't back out because they've been saying, oh, this is

566
0:41:11 --> 0:41:13
dreadful, dreadful, dreadful disease.

567
0:41:13 --> 0:41:14
And they couldn't back out.

568
0:41:14 --> 0:41:19
And then when they brought in the vaccines, they were giving 61 euros for

569
0:41:19 --> 0:41:20
giving the vaccines.

570
0:41:20 --> 0:41:24
And we were getting 18 euros for doing a flu vaccine.

571
0:41:24 --> 0:41:26
It was all about money initially.

572
0:41:26 --> 0:41:28
It was about greed.

573
0:41:28 --> 0:41:31
And obviously, there was a lot of stupidity and ignorance on the part of

574
0:41:31 --> 0:41:33
my GP colleagues.

575
0:41:33 --> 0:41:35
But that's the bottom line.

576
0:41:35 --> 0:41:42
Now, the regulatory bodies were bought over by getting large grants and lots

577
0:41:42 --> 0:41:44
of money and flowing into it.

578
0:41:44 --> 0:41:46
But that answers your question.

579
0:41:46 --> 0:41:48
It was the GPs who knew the truth.

580
0:41:50 --> 0:41:51
Okay, Jerry.

581
0:41:52 --> 0:41:52
Good job.

582
0:41:53 --> 0:41:55
It wasn't just about money, though, in my opinion.

583
0:41:55 --> 0:42:00
I'm sorry to say it was a complete failure to understand how the practice of

584
0:42:00 --> 0:42:04
medicine should be done and also the duty of doctors to be autonomous, to

585
0:42:04 --> 0:42:08
stand with their autonomy and resist a government who tried to tell them what

586
0:42:08 --> 0:42:12
to do through the Coronavirus Act in the United Kingdom, which they said only

587
0:42:12 --> 0:42:17
took them three weeks to author.

588
0:42:17 --> 0:42:19
But in fact, if you look at it, it's absolutely huge.

589
0:42:19 --> 0:42:22
There's no way they did it in less than six months, even the British government.

590
0:42:22 --> 0:42:24
So it was a damned lie.

591
0:42:24 --> 0:42:27
And you couldn't, in the Coronavirus Act, you couldn't.

592
0:42:27 --> 0:42:30
They had got the post mortems dealt with there.

593
0:42:30 --> 0:42:34
The coroners couldn't do, couldn't perform their duties.

594
0:42:34 --> 0:42:35
And this was all in the Coronavirus Act.

595
0:42:35 --> 0:42:37
It was all planned.

596
0:42:37 --> 0:42:40
And there's no doubt about that.

597
0:42:40 --> 0:42:46
But Alexander asked, why did the doctors, you know, be sucked in?

598
0:42:46 --> 0:42:49
And we as the GPs were on the front line.

599
0:42:49 --> 0:42:50
It was money.

600
0:42:50 --> 0:42:50
I'm sorry.

601
0:42:51 --> 0:42:53
Well, this is exactly the point.

602
0:42:53 --> 0:42:57
This is the key thing, because what is being described here is a system of

603
0:42:57 --> 0:43:05
arbitrary pressure and corruption in a way, in a kind of corruption, and also fear.

604
0:43:05 --> 0:43:11
People risk their professional careers if they don't fall into line.

605
0:43:11 --> 0:43:15
And that brings us back to the earlier point, because this is where the law

606
0:43:15 --> 0:43:18
ought to be there to protect people who speak out.

607
0:43:19 --> 0:43:21
And the law failed.

608
0:43:22 --> 0:43:25
It is not just the doctors who failed.

609
0:43:25 --> 0:43:27
It is the law which failed.

610
0:43:27 --> 0:43:33
Judges do not know about medical matters, but they should know what the law,

611
0:43:33 --> 0:43:35
they should understand.

612
0:43:35 --> 0:43:39
They should have a feeling of what law is for.

613
0:43:40 --> 0:43:44
And that is something that we have lost.

614
0:43:44 --> 0:43:51
I think that doctors, absolutely, you can be very, very critical of yourselves.

615
0:43:52 --> 0:43:54
And I no doubt many of you are.

616
0:43:54 --> 0:43:54
But.

617
0:43:55 --> 0:43:57
No, not of our own, Alexander.

618
0:43:58 --> 0:44:01
Not of you as individuals, but of the profession.

619
0:44:01 --> 0:44:03
Yes, I have no regrets whatsoever.

620
0:44:03 --> 0:44:04
I'm not saying.

621
0:44:06 --> 0:44:11
The root of the cancer, if I could put it like that, is elsewhere.

622
0:44:11 --> 0:44:16
It is in the fact that there is already a system of power that has been created.

623
0:44:16 --> 0:44:21
It is already corrupting the way the legal system works,

624
0:44:21 --> 0:44:27
because without the legal system, individuals who speak out can be picked off.

625
0:44:27 --> 0:44:30
And free speech breaks down.

626
0:44:30 --> 0:44:33
And the ability of people to say things which we discussed earlier,

627
0:44:33 --> 0:44:40
which are offensive and which may go against the conventional wisdom breaks down, too.

628
0:44:40 --> 0:44:46
And when you get into that kind of situation, you don't have law anymore.

629
0:44:46 --> 0:44:53
You have something which is arbitrary and unjust and coercive.

630
0:44:53 --> 0:44:55
And that is not law.

631
0:44:55 --> 0:44:56
It is anti-law.

632
0:44:57 --> 0:45:03
Yeah, but before you talk about the fear, I was suspended then in February,

633
0:45:03 --> 0:45:07
the end of February 2021, because I wouldn't give the vaccine.

634
0:45:07 --> 0:45:09
And I was suspended for four and a half years.

635
0:45:11 --> 0:45:14
Now, the normal suspension is less than six months, you know,

636
0:45:15 --> 0:45:17
before you actually brought before a full hearing.

637
0:45:17 --> 0:45:18
I was brought before the High Court.

638
0:45:18 --> 0:45:22
And I believe there was a malicious prosecution because they withheld exculpatory evidence.

639
0:45:22 --> 0:45:25
I've discussed this all with Charles.

640
0:45:25 --> 0:45:28
But at the end of the day, yes, there was fear.

641
0:45:28 --> 0:45:32
But what they had to do was get somebody's head and put it on a spike at the gates of the town.

642
0:45:32 --> 0:45:36
It was my head that was on the spikes outside Dublin.

643
0:45:38 --> 0:45:39
It was a good fear.

644
0:45:39 --> 0:45:43
It frightened people because I don't look good on a spike, you know.

645
0:45:44 --> 0:45:44
Of course not.

646
0:45:45 --> 0:45:48
And as I said, it's arbitrary.

647
0:45:48 --> 0:45:52
And there needs to be an ability.

648
0:45:52 --> 0:45:55
The law needs to provide not just protection,

649
0:45:55 --> 0:45:56
but an ability to challenge.

650
0:45:57 --> 0:46:05
Because, again, the essence of law is that it's supposed to put limits on the powers

651
0:46:05 --> 0:46:08
of its makers and of its enforcers.

652
0:46:09 --> 0:46:12
If it is not that, then it is not law anymore.

653
0:46:15 --> 0:46:17
Where is the world we live in?

654
0:46:18 --> 0:46:21
But there's one thing that hasn't been spelled out to you, Alexander,

655
0:46:21 --> 0:46:23
which you need to understand as a lawyer.

656
0:46:24 --> 0:46:25
There was no pandemic.

657
0:46:27 --> 0:46:31
And you try to argue with particularly medical doctors about this,

658
0:46:31 --> 0:46:34
who may have a guilty conscience or whatever.

659
0:46:34 --> 0:46:36
I don't think a lot of them understand.

660
0:46:36 --> 0:46:40
They seem to have lost the ability to practice medicine.

661
0:46:40 --> 0:46:42
So they don't take a proper history.

662
0:46:43 --> 0:46:45
They don't examine their patients.

663
0:46:45 --> 0:46:46
And guess what they do?

664
0:46:46 --> 0:46:48
They test the patients first now.

665
0:46:48 --> 0:46:51
And that's exactly what we were taught at medical school.

666
0:46:51 --> 0:46:52
We should never do.

667
0:46:53 --> 0:46:57
So somehow or other, doctors have forgotten how to practice medicine.

668
0:46:59 --> 0:47:06
I know someone who has seen some cardiologists recently,

669
0:47:06 --> 0:47:10
and two of those cardiologists didn't examine the patients.

670
0:47:12 --> 0:47:13
Never mind.

671
0:47:13 --> 0:47:13
All right.

672
0:47:15 --> 0:47:16
David, your call.

673
0:47:16 --> 0:47:17
Didn't take proper history either.

674
0:47:17 --> 0:47:18
So, you know.

675
0:47:18 --> 0:47:21
Stephen, we've got hands up.

676
0:47:21 --> 0:47:23
And a very good point you make.

677
0:47:23 --> 0:47:27
And Stephen, I have to report to you, as I was driving yesterday on the radio,

678
0:47:27 --> 0:47:35
there was a PhD student saying, we're doing research on putting AI into doctors'

679
0:47:35 --> 0:47:39
reception so that patients can, while they're waiting,

680
0:47:39 --> 0:47:42
fill in answers to their background.

681
0:47:42 --> 0:47:47
It's saying how wonderful this is, because patients under stress

682
0:47:47 --> 0:47:51
won't remember important facts about their situation.

683
0:47:51 --> 0:47:54
So how glorious this is going to be.

684
0:47:54 --> 0:47:56
And Stephen, we've often said in this program,

685
0:47:56 --> 0:47:59
the game plan is to remove doctors from the equation.

686
0:48:00 --> 0:48:01
So that's the game, Alexander.

687
0:48:01 --> 0:48:03
And no human being wants that.

688
0:48:03 --> 0:48:07
Even though you may not like doctors, they did provide comfort.

689
0:48:07 --> 0:48:09
I don't trust any of them now.

690
0:48:09 --> 0:48:10
They've lost my trust.

691
0:48:10 --> 0:48:13
And if they've lost my trust, they've probably lost the trust of…

692
0:48:14 --> 0:48:16
I trust doctors if I break my legs, Stephen.

693
0:48:18 --> 0:48:19
I'm not sure I do then.

694
0:48:19 --> 0:48:20
They miss the fracture.

695
0:48:22 --> 0:48:22
All right.

696
0:48:22 --> 0:48:23
Thank you.

697
0:48:23 --> 0:48:26
And on we go.

698
0:48:27 --> 0:48:28
We've got hands up.

699
0:48:28 --> 0:48:28
We've got…

700
0:48:29 --> 0:48:31
Jerry, you had your hand up.

701
0:48:31 --> 0:48:34
You're first for a question of Alexander.

702
0:48:36 --> 0:48:37
So you're first.

703
0:48:37 --> 0:48:41
Alexander, about Russia, or rather about Ukraine.

704
0:48:41 --> 0:48:45
And I think that's primarily what you're know about.

705
0:48:45 --> 0:48:47
I also put my hand up because I noticed no other hands were going up.

706
0:48:47 --> 0:48:51
And I thought your intellect was intimidating and frightening people.

707
0:48:52 --> 0:48:54
I too have that problem, Alexander.

708
0:48:54 --> 0:48:59
People are often very frightened of my intellect and my expertise.

709
0:49:01 --> 0:49:04
I'm also inclined to be frivolous and modest.

710
0:49:05 --> 0:49:14
And just talking about Ukraine, what has amazed me when you look back on the cause of the

711
0:49:15 --> 0:49:24
war, a special military operation, the encroachment of NATO eastward since 1991,

712
0:49:24 --> 0:49:33
how is it that the politicians and the media, that you guys who are arguing this point,

713
0:49:33 --> 0:49:34
don't get it through to them?

714
0:49:34 --> 0:49:40
How can they be that dense that they don't understand what the point of the special

715
0:49:40 --> 0:49:46
military operation was, given that it was about demilitarization, denacification,

716
0:49:48 --> 0:49:53
protecting the Donbas, Lugansk, and then NATO, for it not to become NATO?

717
0:49:54 --> 0:49:58
They seem like fairly reasonable aspirations.

718
0:49:59 --> 0:50:05
And I know also from a Russian point of view, they're working it now along.

719
0:50:05 --> 0:50:12
I know the term you hate is a meat grinder, how they're grinding up the human beings

720
0:50:12 --> 0:50:14
and a steel grinder grinding up the machines.

721
0:50:21 --> 0:50:23
It just doesn't seem to get through to people.

722
0:50:24 --> 0:50:29
It's exactly the same reason that everybody believes in pandemics and vaccines and viruses

723
0:50:29 --> 0:50:39
and all of these things, which is that there is an overwhelming consensus, a manufactured consensus,

724
0:50:39 --> 0:50:41
which is imposed on everybody.

725
0:50:41 --> 0:50:47
And you can be at very serious risk in career terms or in all kinds of terms,

726
0:50:47 --> 0:50:49
if you speak out against it.

727
0:50:50 --> 0:50:54
I know one politician, I probably shouldn't name him.

728
0:50:57 --> 0:51:04
It was Rishi Sunak, can I just say this, who apparently, when he became prime minister,

729
0:51:04 --> 0:51:08
said, really, is this Ukraine war something we really want to be involved in,

730
0:51:09 --> 0:51:11
to the extent that we are?

731
0:51:12 --> 0:51:17
And he was apparently told, I wasn't apparently told, he was told

732
0:51:17 --> 0:51:25
that if you continue along that line of thought, you won't stay as prime minister for very long.

733
0:51:25 --> 0:51:31
Now, I know that because somebody who Sunak had a conversation with,

734
0:51:32 --> 0:51:39
somebody who's quite well known, told me the whole thing and described it all to me clearly.

735
0:51:39 --> 0:51:41
So he didn't have the courage to stand out.

736
0:51:43 --> 0:51:46
All kinds of politicians don't have the courage to stand out.

737
0:51:46 --> 0:51:54
And again, many of them, no doubt, have private thoughts and private concerns.

738
0:51:55 --> 0:51:59
But it is politically very risky for them to do it.

739
0:51:59 --> 0:52:01
And for that reason, they don't do it.

740
0:52:01 --> 0:52:03
And that's the truth with the media.

741
0:52:03 --> 0:52:07
And it's true in politics.

742
0:52:07 --> 0:52:10
And it's true in academia as well, by the way.

743
0:52:11 --> 0:52:13
So as a result, it doesn't get discussed.

744
0:52:13 --> 0:52:22
And even people like us on YouTube, at the Duran, we have to face all kinds of pressure every day.

745
0:52:24 --> 0:52:25
Thank you.

746
0:52:25 --> 0:52:27
Jerry, thank you.

747
0:52:27 --> 0:52:27
Thank you.

748
0:52:27 --> 0:52:33
And the media, of course, is driven by the advertisers who pay the money,

749
0:52:34 --> 0:52:37
which Duran doesn't get a lot of money given to it.

750
0:52:37 --> 0:52:38
All right.

751
0:52:38 --> 0:52:42
John, John Howard, have a fine name from an Australian perspective.

752
0:52:43 --> 0:52:45
But he's John Howard Wilhelm.

753
0:52:48 --> 0:52:50
Unmute yourself, John.

754
0:52:50 --> 0:52:50
Yeah.

755
0:52:52 --> 0:52:54
This is great.

756
0:52:54 --> 0:52:59
I spend a lot of time listening to Alexander Mercurius,

757
0:52:59 --> 0:53:05
who I've known about even before the Ukraine situation, and greatly respect.

758
0:53:05 --> 0:53:13
I have a background in the Soviet-Russian area,

759
0:53:14 --> 0:53:23
and I had some troubling experience that got me examining the COVID situation in the United States.

760
0:53:24 --> 0:53:30
And we have had a bipartisan COVID and Ukraine debacle

761
0:53:31 --> 0:53:37
that reinforces my feelings that what is badly needed in the United States

762
0:53:37 --> 0:53:41
is a voting reform, and in Great Britain as well,

763
0:53:41 --> 0:53:46
a voting reform to open up our political processes to third parties.

764
0:53:47 --> 0:53:52
And I would very much, in the context particularly of what's going on

765
0:53:52 --> 0:53:55
with respect to the Ukraine and Russia situation,

766
0:53:56 --> 0:54:04
I would really like to engage Glenn Dyson and the Duran on the issues there,

767
0:54:04 --> 0:54:10
focusing on the voting reform issue that is relevant for Australia.

768
0:54:10 --> 0:54:12
You have a lousy voting system.

769
0:54:12 --> 0:54:18
If you were to read Sir Michael Dummett's books on principles of electoral reform

770
0:54:18 --> 0:54:21
put out by the Oxford University Press,

771
0:54:21 --> 0:54:24
and it needs to be examined in Australia,

772
0:54:24 --> 0:54:30
but it very much needs to be examined in terms of the United States and Great Britain.

773
0:54:30 --> 0:54:35
I think we could have better governance with a more open political system

774
0:54:35 --> 0:54:38
to third parties and third party efforts.

775
0:54:39 --> 0:54:40
I completely agree.

776
0:54:40 --> 0:54:41
Can I just make one point, by the way,

777
0:54:41 --> 0:54:46
which is of course the people who were strongest in advocating for the pandemic

778
0:54:46 --> 0:54:50
are the same people who are promoting the war in Ukraine.

779
0:54:50 --> 0:54:51
It's exactly the same people.

780
0:54:51 --> 0:54:57
And they're also very, very busy suppressing anybody in both cases who disagree with them.

781
0:54:57 --> 0:54:59
And of course it's the totalitarianism.

782
0:54:59 --> 0:55:00
Both exactly.

783
0:55:01 --> 0:55:05
I mean, it's the same people.

784
0:55:05 --> 0:55:07
You can identify them exactly.

785
0:55:07 --> 0:55:13
And obviously opening up the political system is essential.

786
0:55:13 --> 0:55:18
And free speech, these things all go together.

787
0:55:18 --> 0:55:21
Legal reform, all of these things go together.

788
0:55:21 --> 0:55:23
Everything is connected to everything else.

789
0:55:23 --> 0:55:27
And by the way, we will, you know, of this,

790
0:55:28 --> 0:55:33
if you've been listening to me many, if you've been listening to me in programs,

791
0:55:33 --> 0:55:39
one thing I'm absolutely believe in, councils of despair are bad councils.

792
0:55:40 --> 0:55:43
If we fight this, we will win.

793
0:55:43 --> 0:55:48
We will win because we are right and they are wrong.

794
0:55:48 --> 0:55:54
And you can only go on being wrong for so much time before it eventually catches up with you.

795
0:55:55 --> 0:55:57
Well, I appreciate this.

796
0:55:57 --> 0:56:06
And Alexander Mercurius, I'm going to try to get hold of Glenn Dyson.

797
0:56:06 --> 0:56:13
And I will copy the Durant in on that exchange and see if I can engage both of you in the

798
0:56:13 --> 0:56:18
context of both of these debacles because they in the United States,

799
0:56:18 --> 0:56:20
I think in Great Britain, it's true.

800
0:56:20 --> 0:56:23
They've been a bipartisan debacle.

801
0:56:23 --> 0:56:25
The Uniparty, as people speak of.

802
0:56:25 --> 0:56:33
And I don't believe we can improve governance in this country or your country

803
0:56:33 --> 0:56:35
unless we really tackle that.

804
0:56:36 --> 0:56:38
It's necessary but not sufficient.

805
0:56:38 --> 0:56:40
And thanks for giving me some time.

806
0:56:41 --> 0:56:50
Alexander Mercurius, I've used you way in the past to raise some issues about the New York Times

807
0:56:50 --> 0:56:51
coverage of Russia.

808
0:56:51 --> 0:56:55
And I just really appreciate all the insights that you've had.

809
0:56:55 --> 0:56:58
It's been absolutely invaluable.

810
0:56:58 --> 0:56:59
Well, thank you very much.

811
0:56:59 --> 0:57:04
And can I just say I will discuss this with Glenn, who's a good friend,

812
0:57:04 --> 0:57:07
and I will let you know that you're going to get in touch with him.

813
0:57:07 --> 0:57:09
So absolutely, he will be prepared for you.

814
0:57:10 --> 0:57:11
Thank you.

815
0:57:18 --> 0:57:19
Charles, you're muted.

816
0:57:20 --> 0:57:21
Sorry, you're muted.

817
0:57:23 --> 0:57:25
Now, I'm unmuted.

818
0:57:25 --> 0:57:26
I just want to say thank you.

819
0:57:26 --> 0:57:28
And I'm through.

820
0:57:28 --> 0:57:30
But I very much appreciate this.

821
0:57:30 --> 0:57:31
Thank you.

822
0:57:31 --> 0:57:32
Yes.

823
0:57:32 --> 0:57:33
Charles is muted, though.

824
0:57:34 --> 0:57:35
Yes, I am.

825
0:57:35 --> 0:57:35
Sorry.

826
0:57:35 --> 0:57:36
Thank you, John.

827
0:57:36 --> 0:57:39
I was well done, Alexander, for deserving the praise.

828
0:57:39 --> 0:57:43
And Alexander, the question that's put in, and John may know, because I don't know,

829
0:57:43 --> 0:57:47
and Sebastian may know, but you can tell us, Alexander,

830
0:57:47 --> 0:57:49
where did the word Durand come from?

831
0:57:49 --> 0:57:51
And somebody has said, what is the Durand?

832
0:57:51 --> 0:57:53
You know, this is a question I'm always asked.

833
0:57:53 --> 0:57:54
I don't actually know the answer.

834
0:57:55 --> 0:57:58
It was brought out, you know, there's two of us, there's Alex and myself.

835
0:57:58 --> 0:58:01
So Alex set it up first.

836
0:58:01 --> 0:58:03
He came up with his name.

837
0:58:04 --> 0:58:09
And I've asked him many, many times, where did the name come from?

838
0:58:09 --> 0:58:13
And he has a twinkle in his eye, and he never tells me.

839
0:58:13 --> 0:58:15
So it's his little secret.

840
0:58:15 --> 0:58:17
So I don't actually know.

841
0:58:17 --> 0:58:22
What I do know is that he has hinted that it is some kind of Latin provenance.

842
0:58:22 --> 0:58:26
I used to know a little Latin, and I'm not really able to see it myself.

843
0:58:26 --> 0:58:33
But he says that, you know, Durand has an element of hardness and integrity about it

844
0:58:34 --> 0:58:37
as endurable and all of that.

845
0:58:37 --> 0:58:40
I'm not sure I understand that myself, but that's what he said.

846
0:58:40 --> 0:58:44
So I'm afraid that's one question I actually cannot answer.

847
0:58:45 --> 0:58:45
Sorry.

848
0:58:47 --> 0:58:47
Okay.

849
0:58:48 --> 0:58:53
And I will share before we go to Winston, who's a psychiatrist from Canada,

850
0:58:56 --> 0:59:02
my favorite Latin maxim that I find applicable in many situations is Reis ipsilocata.

851
0:59:03 --> 0:59:08
And it's a wonderful legal maxim, which means the facts speak for themselves.

852
0:59:09 --> 0:59:10
And don't listen to what people say.

853
0:59:11 --> 0:59:14
Look at the facts because they speak for themselves.

854
0:59:14 --> 0:59:17
Or as the Bible says, by their fruits, shall you know them.

855
0:59:18 --> 0:59:23
Winston, Yevgeny, who's on the call, he has presented to us.

856
0:59:23 --> 0:59:25
He was born in the Soviet Union from memory.

857
0:59:25 --> 0:59:30
He might know the derivation of the etymology of the Durand.

858
0:59:30 --> 0:59:32
Do you, Yevgeny?

859
0:59:33 --> 0:59:42
There could be several explanations, but for me, the first, the most straightforward will be with

860
0:59:42 --> 0:59:46
the Latin root dura meaning like hard.

861
0:59:47 --> 0:59:51
So it's in Latin in some Romanian languages.

862
0:59:51 --> 0:59:58
I think even if I don't recall, one of the heroes of the, either it's Shanson de Rolan or

863
0:59:59 --> 1:00:05
Shanson de Rolan or Canto Seed, the sword was called like durandal.

864
1:00:05 --> 1:00:08
It means like the sword is like very hard.

865
1:00:08 --> 1:00:14
And from this Latin word, by the way, there is a borrowing in the Russian language of the word

866
1:00:14 --> 1:00:18
durak, which means like fully, fool, a fool.

867
1:00:19 --> 1:00:23
It means like the person who is not flexible, who is like hard.

868
1:00:23 --> 1:00:27
So we borrowed the word, but with a different meaning.

869
1:00:27 --> 1:00:31
So I think it's with this, but there could be other explanations.

870
1:00:32 --> 1:00:32
I love it.

871
1:00:32 --> 1:00:33
Thank you, Yevgeny.

872
1:00:33 --> 1:00:35
So hard, then, Yevgeny.

873
1:00:35 --> 1:00:35
Hard.

874
1:00:36 --> 1:00:37
A hard fool.

875
1:00:38 --> 1:00:42
A fool who's stuck hard to his principles, Stephen.

876
1:00:42 --> 1:00:45
Well, no, I was thinking of a hard man, actually.

877
1:00:45 --> 1:00:45
So tough.

878
1:00:46 --> 1:00:47
Yeah, tough.

879
1:00:49 --> 1:00:55
From the point of view of people, when we do something which is not in the main line,

880
1:00:55 --> 1:00:57
not in the mainstream, so we're fools.

881
1:00:57 --> 1:01:02
What I was doing with the whistle blowing and what we're speaking in critical seikachi,

882
1:01:02 --> 1:01:04
people thinking that we're fools.

883
1:01:04 --> 1:01:05
Yes.

884
1:01:05 --> 1:01:09
So Alexander, you need to get in contact with Yevgeny.

885
1:01:09 --> 1:01:13
He gave a wonderful presentation to his lasting three and a half hours talking about

886
1:01:13 --> 1:01:15
the 100 best books in the world.

887
1:01:16 --> 1:01:18
And he really had researched them.

888
1:01:19 --> 1:01:20
He's from the Soviet Union.

889
1:01:21 --> 1:01:22
I would love to.

890
1:01:23 --> 1:01:28
I remember he was on the discussion that I had before, and I would absolutely love to

891
1:01:28 --> 1:01:29
speak to Yevgeny, by the way.

892
1:01:29 --> 1:01:33
So if you want to, email me, one of you is enough.

893
1:01:34 --> 1:01:36
If you both miss it, then I can't.

894
1:01:36 --> 1:01:37
I won't remember.

895
1:01:37 --> 1:01:39
But I'll put you in contact with each other.

896
1:01:39 --> 1:01:40
Absolutely.

897
1:01:40 --> 1:01:41
Maybe you can do it.

898
1:01:41 --> 1:01:42
Thank you.

899
1:01:43 --> 1:01:43
All right.

900
1:01:43 --> 1:01:44
Winston.

901
1:01:45 --> 1:01:46
Winston.

902
1:01:47 --> 1:01:47
Hello.

903
1:01:49 --> 1:01:49
Right.

904
1:01:50 --> 1:01:50
Hi.

905
1:01:51 --> 1:01:52
I want to ask a question.

906
1:01:52 --> 1:01:57
I don't know if this is the correct forum, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

907
1:01:57 --> 1:01:58
It's a legal question.

908
1:01:59 --> 1:02:03
I first became aware of this video from Australia.

909
1:02:04 --> 1:02:07
I subsequently lost because my phone died.

910
1:02:08 --> 1:02:14
And then I became, I heard about it again, two letters from supposedly from judges in

911
1:02:14 --> 1:02:18
the United States, and more recently, Jordan Maxwell.

912
1:02:19 --> 1:02:24
And it concerns this issue of a corporation.

913
1:02:24 --> 1:02:28
When one goes to court, one is regarded as a corporation.

914
1:02:29 --> 1:02:35
I have a cousin who is a lawyer on the British Constitution, and she hadn't heard from it

915
1:02:35 --> 1:02:38
and said, must be something unique elsewhere.

916
1:02:38 --> 1:02:38
But I don't know.

917
1:02:38 --> 1:02:39
But I'll ask.

918
1:02:39 --> 1:02:44
My understanding is that when people are taken into court, not infrequently, for some reason,

919
1:02:45 --> 1:02:47
they are regarded as a corporation.

920
1:02:48 --> 1:02:50
And Maxwell goes into this thing and he talks about, you know,

921
1:02:52 --> 1:02:56
you're not supposed to touch the gate to go to the bench, and if you do that, it's a floodgate.

922
1:02:57 --> 1:02:58
What is that about?

923
1:02:58 --> 1:02:59
Is that accurate?

924
1:02:59 --> 1:03:03
Well, it's not something I'm familiar with in English law.

925
1:03:03 --> 1:03:05
I mean, English law is the other way around.

926
1:03:05 --> 1:03:09
I mean, corporations are supposed to be personalities.

927
1:03:09 --> 1:03:17
So they have, they go into law, into courts, in a kind of way as persons.

928
1:03:18 --> 1:03:25
So I'm not sure where the idea of individuals, people becoming corporations comes from.

929
1:03:26 --> 1:03:32
That is absolutely not part of the legal tradition that I'm aware of, at least in England.

930
1:03:32 --> 1:03:37
And I have to say, I find that rather disturbing concept altogether.

931
1:03:37 --> 1:03:45
I mean, what does a corporation exactly mean in terms of being in a courtroom?

932
1:03:46 --> 1:03:49
I'm not quite sure what is implied by this.

933
1:03:51 --> 1:03:54
Perhaps you can explain because I'm not sure about it.

934
1:03:54 --> 1:04:00
In England, as I said, in the English tradition, and by the way, the Roman tradition,

935
1:04:01 --> 1:04:04
was that law applies to persons.

936
1:04:04 --> 1:04:08
And persons, first and foremost, are human beings.

937
1:04:10 --> 1:04:15
Well, I can't comment other than, Regis, what I've been

938
1:04:15 --> 1:04:22
learning, my understanding, based on my own thinking about this, is,

939
1:04:23 --> 1:04:26
would this have anything to do with one's birth certificate?

940
1:04:28 --> 1:04:30
Ah, now that's another question.

941
1:04:30 --> 1:04:33
Because of course, birth certificates are an enormously interesting issue.

942
1:04:33 --> 1:04:40
In fact, I once read a study on the question of birth certificates,

943
1:04:40 --> 1:04:46
because of course, birth certificates actually are the first legal documents that are created

944
1:04:46 --> 1:04:52
about you and that exist in various countries.

945
1:04:52 --> 1:04:57
And of course, if you don't have a birth certificate, and there are countries in the world

946
1:04:57 --> 1:05:03
which still do not provide birth certificates, or there are places where there are war zones,

947
1:05:03 --> 1:05:09
and birth certificates are not provided because they cannot be,

948
1:05:10 --> 1:05:15
then you are not a person in the eyes of many states, and then you lose your rights.

949
1:05:16 --> 1:05:27
So, the birth certificate becomes, for a human individual, the first document

950
1:05:28 --> 1:05:33
which creates you, in effect, as far as the law and the states are concerned.

951
1:05:34 --> 1:05:40
And then, as far as the law and the states are concerned, as an individual, you are yourself,

952
1:05:42 --> 1:05:48
basically, the various legal documents that develop like a tree from the root,

953
1:05:48 --> 1:05:50
which is your birth certificate.

954
1:05:50 --> 1:05:56
So, you go to school, you get your school certificates there, you get your medical things there,

955
1:05:56 --> 1:06:02
and they all build up, and that, for a state, for a bureaucracy, for a legal system,

956
1:06:02 --> 1:06:05
makes you a personality, a human being.

957
1:06:05 --> 1:06:11
So, I wonder whether that's what you're alluding to.

958
1:06:11 --> 1:06:16
And by the way, this particular article that I read was all about trying to give people from

959
1:06:16 --> 1:06:24
war zones birth certificates or some kind of certificate in order to give them personality.

960
1:06:24 --> 1:06:29
If you think about it, in itself, it's quite a sinister concept, actually,

961
1:06:29 --> 1:06:31
but it's absolutely something that does exist.

962
1:06:32 --> 1:06:33
Thank you very much.

963
1:06:34 --> 1:06:35
Thank you.

964
1:06:35 --> 1:06:37
And Alexander, another whole question.

965
1:06:37 --> 1:06:42
Dolores Kale has presented to us twice on this topic of the whole question of

966
1:06:42 --> 1:06:48
the corporatization of people, but we won't go there now because

967
1:06:48 --> 1:06:53
I learned nothing about it at law school, and there's a lot of learning going on,

968
1:06:53 --> 1:06:57
and the word person, allegedly, does not apply to a man or a woman.

969
1:06:57 --> 1:07:00
So, there's another lovely question.

970
1:07:01 --> 1:07:07
But thank you, Winston, for raising it because it's worthy of study, and many people have used

971
1:07:07 --> 1:07:12
those strategies to have cases brought by the state thrown out.

972
1:07:12 --> 1:07:14
So, anyway.

973
1:07:16 --> 1:07:16
Sebastian.

974
1:07:18 --> 1:07:21
Yeah. Good evening, Alexander.

975
1:07:21 --> 1:07:26
And I actually have a question I'd like to follow back on history

976
1:07:26 --> 1:07:32
when it comes to the Nuremberg Codex, because we understand through historical documents

977
1:07:32 --> 1:07:36
that the Nuremberg Codex never was codified in any legal system,

978
1:07:37 --> 1:07:39
and it was only used as a guideline.

979
1:07:39 --> 1:07:45
However, I do not know, and I'd like to ask, has it been since been adapted or

980
1:07:45 --> 1:07:52
put into any legal system in the known world to date?

981
1:07:52 --> 1:07:57
And following up on the Duran later on, I will try and give you a little insight into that.

982
1:07:59 --> 1:08:07
My understanding of Nuremberg is that it is precedent by which makes it operative law,

983
1:08:07 --> 1:08:12
or at least that is how it was originally conceived when it happened.

984
1:08:12 --> 1:08:19
So, all human rights, war crimes law, all of that kind of law is supposed to

985
1:08:20 --> 1:08:28
basic to be based on the Nuremberg decisions and the Nuremberg principles.

986
1:08:28 --> 1:08:35
But the point that's been made already by Stephen is that, in fact, as we codify,

987
1:08:35 --> 1:08:39
as we make laws, we are actually moving away from Nuremberg.

988
1:08:39 --> 1:08:41
And I think that is exactly right.

989
1:08:41 --> 1:08:48
I think that is exactly what is happening, because we're not citing any longer the actual

990
1:08:48 --> 1:08:56
statements, the actual judgments that were made in Nuremberg, and also the words of the prosecutors

991
1:08:56 --> 1:09:05
there. What we're citing now are the laws that supposedly derive from Nuremberg.

992
1:09:05 --> 1:09:10
And then, of course, what happens? And this is where we get the problem of more and more law.

993
1:09:10 --> 1:09:17
So you get Nuremberg, then you get the law, then you get more laws, which develop,

994
1:09:17 --> 1:09:23
supposedly, the laws that derive from Nuremberg, then you get decisions,

995
1:09:23 --> 1:09:27
and you move steadily further and further away.

996
1:09:29 --> 1:09:34
Okay, thanks. And as I said, I'll try and explain what the word durand, where it comes from,

997
1:09:34 --> 1:09:36
but there is a secret to it, as you know.

998
1:09:38 --> 1:09:39
All right.

999
1:09:39 --> 1:09:42
Alexander, that's the best answer I've ever heard on that from you.

1000
1:09:43 --> 1:09:49
And you haven't got the proof, but you have a hypothesis, you believe this is true,

1001
1:09:49 --> 1:09:54
you trust your intuition, that's what I try to do. It's extremely reliable, but of course,

1002
1:09:54 --> 1:09:57
we're encouraged to believe that our intuition is no good.

1003
1:09:58 --> 1:10:04
Well, Stephen, one thing I have to say is this, which is that I have, throughout my life,

1004
1:10:05 --> 1:10:15
I have seen laws passed, which supposedly, re-legal, re-criminalize, or make illegal,

1005
1:10:15 --> 1:10:25
what is already criminal and illegal. And this goes on all the time. It's a constant churn of this.

1006
1:10:27 --> 1:10:33
And it makes this incredibly complicated. Even a small thing, just very, very small thing,

1007
1:10:33 --> 1:10:41
which I was personally involved in. Way back in the 1990s, the High Court, in its wisdom,

1008
1:10:41 --> 1:10:47
decided that it would reform its own rules, because the rules of the High Court had become

1009
1:10:47 --> 1:10:55
so complicated. And by the way, the rules are legal, they are law, they derive from legislation.

1010
1:10:55 --> 1:11:02
So the rules had become so complicated that they had to be simplified. So we simplified them

1011
1:11:03 --> 1:11:10
by basically re-wording them. And they ended up becoming more complicated. And the process,

1012
1:11:10 --> 1:11:18
which was supposed to be made simpler, became more complicated still. And we established what was

1013
1:11:18 --> 1:11:27
called the overriding objective, which was to end cases as quickly as possible and in the simplest

1014
1:11:27 --> 1:11:34
way. Nobody, nobody who has experience of the courts today would think that that is true.

1015
1:11:34 --> 1:11:42
In fact, it is less true now than it was when we did it. And this is true right across the legal

1016
1:11:42 --> 1:11:48
system. And it is particularly bad, by the way, in criminal law. I mean, another thing that's

1017
1:11:48 --> 1:11:53
happened in criminal law, just to say, we're talking about rights and taking away jury rights,

1018
1:11:53 --> 1:12:01
the abolition of the principle of double jeopardy, the whole idea that if you are prosecuted,

1019
1:12:02 --> 1:12:10
and then you are acquitted by a jury, in fact, you cannot be prosecuted for that same crime again.

1020
1:12:10 --> 1:12:16
It's basically been abolished. And it was all done on the basis of the Stephen Lawrence case,

1021
1:12:16 --> 1:12:23
Lawrence case, because Mrs. Lawrence very understandably very upset about the terrible

1022
1:12:23 --> 1:12:29
murder of her son. So she campaigned against the people who she said were the murderers,

1023
1:12:29 --> 1:12:34
who probably were the murderers, by the way. And eventually, she brought one prosecution,

1024
1:12:34 --> 1:12:39
they were acquitted because the evidence wasn't there. And then they changed the law so that they

1025
1:12:39 --> 1:12:46
could be prosecuted all over again. And by doing that, of course, double jeopardy has gone. So it

1026
1:12:47 --> 1:12:55
means that if the state wants to get you now, they can bring the same case against you again,

1027
1:12:55 --> 1:13:04
and again, and again, and again, which is precisely what the original principle of double jeopardy was

1028
1:13:04 --> 1:13:10
intended to prevent. And of course, when it started, when it started, they said, well, you know,

1029
1:13:10 --> 1:13:15
this is only going to be applied in very few cases. And there's all going to be all kinds of

1030
1:13:15 --> 1:13:22
conditions. And we're not supposed and of course, what happens steadily, that's eroded away,

1031
1:13:22 --> 1:13:28
and it becomes easier and easier for the prosecutors to do that. And again, you start to see how the

1032
1:13:28 --> 1:13:34
principle the fundamental principle of double jeopardy has basically now disappeared. So

1033
1:13:35 --> 1:13:39
this goes on in the law all the time.

1034
1:13:39 --> 1:13:42
All right.

1035
1:13:42 --> 1:13:44
So why meddling with the law allowed then, Alexander?

1036
1:13:44 --> 1:13:46
Hang on, Stephen, we got Lars.

1037
1:13:46 --> 1:13:47
We can see why, of course.

1038
1:13:47 --> 1:13:49
Yeah.

1039
1:13:49 --> 1:13:49
Lars.

1040
1:13:51 --> 1:13:57
Yes, thank you, Alexander. I watched you and your colleague, more or less every day, so I'm up to

1041
1:13:57 --> 1:14:05
date with what you are talking about. But there's one very important thing when I try to discuss

1042
1:14:05 --> 1:14:12
with my neighbors and friends and people in Sweden about how did the war begin.

1043
1:14:13 --> 1:14:21
And there is one piece of evidence that Professor Ivan Kachanovsky has written about, and he is

1044
1:14:21 --> 1:14:29
citing the Ukrainian book, which is very important. It is a dialogue between the two leaders

1045
1:14:29 --> 1:14:38
of the right sector, Svabida, who were in meeting before the Maidan or during the Maidan, actually,

1046
1:14:39 --> 1:14:48
and was instructed by a Western representative. I think it was Victoria Nuland, that you have to

1047
1:14:49 --> 1:15:01
kill 100 people before we can support the minority and basically throw out the president.

1048
1:15:01 --> 1:15:08
So they required 100 dead. Now, they managed to kill, I think it was 72

1049
1:15:08 --> 1:15:20
people in the Maidan and 17 policemen. And in order to get to the heavenly hundreds, as the victims

1050
1:15:20 --> 1:15:28
are called, they had to add far accident victims, people who committed suicide, etc., to make the

1051
1:15:28 --> 1:15:35
heavenly hundreds. If people understood, first of all, I assume this is correct, because the

1052
1:15:36 --> 1:15:46
Svabida people have said this to Ukrainian journalists. And if people understand that

1053
1:15:46 --> 1:15:53
Victoria Nuland or whoever the Western representative was that required 100 dead at Maidan,

1054
1:15:54 --> 1:16:02
they should understand that the Americans instigated this whole thing in a much more

1055
1:16:02 --> 1:16:09
devious way than we typically know. Have you heard about this? Have you discussed it?

1056
1:16:10 --> 1:16:17
I have heard about it. I should say I've met Ivan Kachanovsky. So I don't know him well. I've met

1057
1:16:17 --> 1:16:26
him briefly. I've read his books. I'm very familiar with his work. I have a very, very high regard for

1058
1:16:26 --> 1:16:36
him as a scholar. I have little doubt that he's right about this. And there is no doubt at all

1059
1:16:36 --> 1:16:45
that there was an awful lot more going on in 2014 and before, and by the way, after than we know.

1060
1:16:45 --> 1:16:54
And what I talk about on my channels every day is the tip of the iceberg. It's what we see,

1061
1:16:54 --> 1:17:02
what I could see. What is going on under the surface and what was going on under the surface

1062
1:17:02 --> 1:17:12
during the events of 2014. It requires a lot of research and a lot of investigation to find out.

1063
1:17:13 --> 1:17:21
Ivan Kachanovsky is doing some of it, but it will take many, many, many years before we build up a

1064
1:17:21 --> 1:17:27
whole picture. Now, one day we will know, I mean, we always will, whether we will find it all out in

1065
1:17:27 --> 1:17:35
my lifetime or our lifetimes. That is another question. I mean, what happens in history

1066
1:17:36 --> 1:17:42
quite often is that researchers go back and they look through things. And it may be that in 50,

1067
1:17:42 --> 1:17:49
100 years time, 50 years time more likely, we will start to get closer to the truth. But I've always

1068
1:17:49 --> 1:17:58
felt about 2014 that something very sinister and very bad was happening. And I've never had any

1069
1:17:58 --> 1:18:05
doubt myself that not just the American intelligence agencies, but several, many others were also all

1070
1:18:05 --> 1:18:16
involved in what was taking place then. All right, Lars Dunn, he's gone.

1071
1:18:16 --> 1:18:25
Okay. They've attacked me. He asked too good a question, Alexander. Marv from Oregon now.

1072
1:18:27 --> 1:18:37
Hey, I love your podcast. You guys are kind of high brow podcasters, which I enjoy. I think I

1073
1:18:37 --> 1:18:42
asked you this before. You know, if you run into a British accent, you're going to run into a

1074
1:18:42 --> 1:18:50
Russian folk. We had that Michael on Sunday and there's a guy that sees a Chinaman behind every

1075
1:18:50 --> 1:19:00
bush. And he, you know, I noticed that there was very little mention of communism during his talk

1076
1:19:00 --> 1:19:09
about the Chinese threat. Anyway, how do you explain this antipathy that the British have

1077
1:19:09 --> 1:19:17
for the Russians? I've heard it explained that it comes from the Crimea war and the collision of

1078
1:19:17 --> 1:19:27
these two empires. But how could that be going on 10 generations later? It just, how do you explain

1079
1:19:27 --> 1:19:34
that British antipathy toward the Ruskies? You know, there is no single satisfactory

1080
1:19:34 --> 1:19:42
explanation for it. And I agree that does exist. And I'm not sure myself why it is there. So

1081
1:19:44 --> 1:19:48
any explanation I give you is always also going to be very, very incomplete.

1082
1:19:49 --> 1:19:57
I think one of the great problems is that the British really don't know Russia very well.

1083
1:19:57 --> 1:20:06
And for a very long time, they have constructed a picture of Russia, which is very far removed from

1084
1:20:06 --> 1:20:13
the reality. And what they're often fighting a lot of the time is this image of Russia that has been

1085
1:20:13 --> 1:20:20
constructed through the 19th century, through the 20th century, which had points of contact with

1086
1:20:20 --> 1:20:27
reality. Stalin was real. I mean, you know, there was a person called Stalin, there was a terror,

1087
1:20:27 --> 1:20:35
there was repression, all of those things. So I think the British have never fully escaped it.

1088
1:20:35 --> 1:20:43
I think that on the issue of Ukraine itself, of this particular crisis, I think there is something

1089
1:20:43 --> 1:20:50
else which is not specific actually, to Russia, which explains why the British, why some people

1090
1:20:50 --> 1:20:58
in the British political system are so committed or involved in it. And that is that, again,

1091
1:20:59 --> 1:21:05
it's the events of the 1930s, not quite in the sense that people understand, but the way to

1092
1:21:05 --> 1:21:11
understand what happened in the late 19... One way to understand what happened in the late 1930s

1093
1:21:11 --> 1:21:21
and early 1940s from a British perspective is that that was the last time that Britain acted

1094
1:21:21 --> 1:21:31
as a fully independent great power, when people like Chamberlain and Churchill and all of the others

1095
1:21:31 --> 1:21:39
were acting exclusively from British perspectives based on British interests. There was no Western

1096
1:21:39 --> 1:21:45
alliance, there was no alliance with the United States, Britain was still one of the great powers

1097
1:21:45 --> 1:21:55
in the world. And that period, because it was the last time when that was true, remains for that

1098
1:21:55 --> 1:22:03
reason, something that many British politicians in particular want to escape back to. So there's

1099
1:22:03 --> 1:22:12
this temptation to play Churchill, to present yourself as holding back Russian aggression,

1100
1:22:12 --> 1:22:20
and all of these things, because in effect you're reflexively looking back to that one

1101
1:22:20 --> 1:22:27
last period of time when Britain was relevant as a great power. I think Britain is relevant in many

1102
1:22:27 --> 1:22:33
ways, by the way. I think Britain has much ability to influence things, and I don't think that is the

1103
1:22:33 --> 1:22:40
right way to do it. But having spoken to politicians, Kwazi Kwateng for example, is a friend of mine,

1104
1:22:40 --> 1:22:48
just to say so. I do know some British politicians. I think that that aspect of it gets underestimated.

1105
1:22:51 --> 1:22:59
Very good, thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Marvin. Alexander, I point out that Marvin is over 80,

1106
1:22:59 --> 1:23:06
lives in Oregon, has got an amazing collection of books and what he's read. Sometimes he gives

1107
1:23:06 --> 1:23:10
us a clue as to some of the books that he's reading. Anyway, Marvin, good question.

1108
1:23:10 --> 1:23:17
I don't judge questions. Well done. Mark Dyer now from the UK. What book have you got there, Marvin,

1109
1:23:17 --> 1:23:24
for us? There you are, Solving 9-11, written by Christopher Berlin, Anne Berlin's descendant.

1110
1:23:25 --> 1:23:37
There you are. Good job, Marvin. Mark. Yes, Alexander, have you been following at all

1111
1:23:38 --> 1:23:48
Mark Sexton or Ian Clayton with the ethical approach on Twitter? No, I have not. There are

1112
1:23:48 --> 1:23:54
only so many hours in the day. I cannot read everything. I wish there were lots of things

1113
1:23:54 --> 1:24:00
that I would like to read. Already from the very title, that sounds very interesting. Tell me more.

1114
1:24:00 --> 1:24:13
Right. Mark Sexton is a retired police officer. In 2021, he submitted a crime against the people

1115
1:24:13 --> 1:24:23
for the COVID vaccines. His criminal investigation was closed. It wasn't

1116
1:24:23 --> 1:24:34
investigated. Through a freedom of information, he and the group have actually found out that

1117
1:24:34 --> 1:24:51
they had Operation TALA, T-A-L-L-A, and the Spears Directive of January 25, 2022 explicitly ordered

1118
1:24:51 --> 1:24:58
police staff not to accept or record vaccine-related crime reports. This is established

1119
1:24:58 --> 1:25:05
as a fact through documentation held by the Police Scotland obtained under a freedom of information

1120
1:25:05 --> 1:25:16
and corroborated by multiple national police chief councils. They have released this information

1121
1:25:18 --> 1:25:25
on Twitter three days ago and they have been releasing it every day on Twitter.

1122
1:25:26 --> 1:25:36
Very interestingly, no mainstream media has picked this up. He has over 400 cases

1123
1:25:37 --> 1:25:41
that have actually been submitted and they have just gone into the ether.

1124
1:25:42 --> 1:25:48
That is extremely interesting. I think you mean criminal complaints, Mark. Yes.

1125
1:25:49 --> 1:25:56
They are, yes. So there is an effective directive that came down from somewhere.

1126
1:25:56 --> 1:26:03
It would be very interesting to know from where exactly that the police were instructed not to

1127
1:26:03 --> 1:26:12
investigate complaints relating to crime. Which again, Jane Connor and Detective Superintendent

1128
1:26:12 --> 1:26:22
Tor Garnett, right? They also have this where they have actually gone to another police station to

1129
1:26:23 --> 1:26:31
make a formal criminal complaint and they were told that they were not allowed to accept the

1130
1:26:31 --> 1:26:40
criminal complaint. And it is actually, they recorded it and it is out there. So my question

1131
1:26:40 --> 1:26:48
is, is there any hope, let's say, that this will in fact surface on the mainstream media and that

1132
1:26:48 --> 1:26:56
people will start to understand that these deaths that weren't reported properly, that the yellow

1133
1:26:56 --> 1:27:04
card system wasn't reported properly and that if it had been put into the public domain, the public

1134
1:27:04 --> 1:27:09
would have not continued to take these toxic substances and they would have been saved.

1135
1:27:11 --> 1:27:18
Well, there is hope that it will appear in the media, but hope is not the same thing

1136
1:27:18 --> 1:27:27
as expectation. I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. One day, this is absolute certainty,

1137
1:27:28 --> 1:27:35
of this I have no doubt, one day all of this will come out. All of this will come out. There will be

1138
1:27:35 --> 1:27:46
a massive investigation. All of this will be exposed because it has to be. And what has to happen

1139
1:27:47 --> 1:27:54
eventually does happen. But I'm not going to say that I know when and it will not happen until there

1140
1:27:54 --> 1:28:01
are fundamental changes in our political system. But then all of this work that people like that

1141
1:28:01 --> 1:28:06
are doing, then it will become very relevant and then we'll be able to go in and we can see

1142
1:28:06 --> 1:28:12
exactly how these things happen and how they were done and then hopefully we will learn the right

1143
1:28:12 --> 1:28:20
lessons from them. Thank you. So, Alexander, I will share with, I'll email to you what Mark Sexton has

1144
1:28:20 --> 1:28:26
sent to me for circulation and I'll also put some links into the chat here from Mark Sexton's work.

1145
1:28:27 --> 1:28:31
Mark Dyer, you can put that in there because we want to shine a light on these directives

1146
1:28:32 --> 1:28:38
and the instruction to the police and the police believe complying with them are breaches of their

1147
1:28:38 --> 1:28:46
oaths of office. So, this is exactly what I was thinking. I might want, I'm going to try and get

1148
1:28:46 --> 1:28:50
in touch with him by the way. Yeah, I'll send it through. So, I can put you in touch with Mark

1149
1:28:50 --> 1:28:56
Sexton if you like, Alexander. Yes. If you don't know how to get in. No, I don't. No. If you email

1150
1:28:56 --> 1:29:01
me, I can put you in touch with him. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So, Eugenie and Mark Sexton,

1151
1:29:01 --> 1:29:06
you can tell me about how to get in touch with both. Good memory. Very good. All right, Geoffrey.

1152
1:29:07 --> 1:29:14
Can I just ask Mark, Charles, Mark, were they Freedom of Information Act requests or were they

1153
1:29:14 --> 1:29:20
subject access requests? So, the subject access requests relate to the individual and if they

1154
1:29:20 --> 1:29:25
haven't put a subject access request in, Mark Sexton for example, I'm sure the police were

1155
1:29:25 --> 1:29:36
sending emails to each other about Mark Sexton. Right. In the documentation that I have,

1156
1:29:36 --> 1:29:43
it's a Freedom of Information is what Mark and Ian have actually stated in their document,

1157
1:29:43 --> 1:29:47
which I have in front of me. Yeah, so Mark may not know about, Mark Sexton may not know about

1158
1:29:48 --> 1:29:52
subject access requests. So, I'll have to tell him because I know that from my whistleblowing case.

1159
1:29:53 --> 1:29:59
All right. No, I'm pretty sure he'll know that. I'm not sure he will. A lot of people don't know

1160
1:29:59 --> 1:30:06
about it. All right. Geoffrey, back, back, Dalton. Who's here for the first time? Welcome, Geoffrey.

1161
1:30:07 --> 1:30:07
Unmute yourself.

1162
1:30:12 --> 1:30:14
Geoffrey, unmute. There he is. Beautiful.

1163
1:30:18 --> 1:30:24
So, all the problems you meant, so all the problems have been mentioned.

1164
1:30:25 --> 1:30:33
How do we go from, how do we fix them going forward from here on out? You know what I mean?

1165
1:30:34 --> 1:30:40
Well, each and every one of us is doing quite a lot and we're doing an awful lot. I mean,

1166
1:30:40 --> 1:30:49
I'm going on YouTube. There is this group here. There are points being made all of the time.

1167
1:30:49 --> 1:30:55
If you think this doesn't matter, let me tell you that it absolutely does. It makes a difference.

1168
1:30:57 --> 1:31:04
I worked in the belly of the beast, if you like. I was an advisor to the Minister of Justice.

1169
1:31:04 --> 1:31:12
I was an advisor in Greece to the Minister of Culture. I've seen how eventually things start

1170
1:31:12 --> 1:31:19
to gain traction and people start to think and they start to talk and they start to listen.

1171
1:31:21 --> 1:31:30
What we are doing, what is being done in this forum is important and people should not assume otherwise.

1172
1:31:30 --> 1:31:40
So, that's your motto of saying how we fix the world, right?

1173
1:31:41 --> 1:31:47
We each argue with the particular points that we know. So, people who are doctors

1174
1:31:47 --> 1:31:56
talk about breaches of medical ethics. They talk about the enormous arbitrary and coercive actions

1175
1:31:56 --> 1:32:02
that have taken place against doctors. People who have had a background as lawyers talk about

1176
1:32:02 --> 1:32:09
the corruption of law and the way that law has ceased to be true law anymore. People who work

1177
1:32:09 --> 1:32:15
in the political system or on the fringes of the political system talk out and speak out about

1178
1:32:15 --> 1:32:22
the egregious mistakes that are being made there every day and all of the time. People like

1179
1:32:22 --> 1:32:29
Lord Robert Skidelsky, for example, in the House of Lords speaks out every day whenever he can

1180
1:32:29 --> 1:32:36
about the fact that foreign policy is being conducted badly. And of course, the other side,

1181
1:32:36 --> 1:32:41
if I could call them that, are trying to silence and suppress everybody all the time. But the very

1182
1:32:41 --> 1:32:49
fact that they're doing that shows that they are insecure and afraid and that is actually a cause

1183
1:32:49 --> 1:33:01
of hope. There has never been a time, certainly in Britain, in modern British history that I'm

1184
1:33:01 --> 1:33:13
aware of when the power, if you can call it that, has felt so vulnerable and so uncertain of its

1185
1:33:13 --> 1:33:21
control of the country, the population, the spirit of the people.

1186
1:33:23 --> 1:33:23
Thank you.

1187
1:33:23 --> 1:33:27
How are the people that always, that triumphs over all?

1188
1:33:28 --> 1:33:31
Ultimately it does. Of that I have no doubt.

1189
1:33:33 --> 1:33:41
Well, except Jeffrey. For 32 years I've taught a core principle of the work of Buckminster

1190
1:33:41 --> 1:33:46
Fuller, an American, who said, as human beings, our reward for solving problems is not peace and

1191
1:33:46 --> 1:33:52
happiness. Our reward for solving problems is bigger problems. If you look at your own life,

1192
1:33:52 --> 1:33:57
you can test whether that's true or not. That certainly is in my case. And as we grow older,

1193
1:33:57 --> 1:34:02
our problems get bigger. And if you go from year 11 to year 12 in school, your problems get bigger.

1194
1:34:02 --> 1:34:06
And you go to university, your problems get bigger. Then you start a job, your problems get bigger.

1195
1:34:07 --> 1:34:11
And if they didn't get bigger, we would all die of boredom. So embrace your problems, everybody,

1196
1:34:11 --> 1:34:16
because you deserve them. Absolutely. That is how we grow. That is how we grow.

1197
1:34:18 --> 1:34:25
Without problems, we would turn into big fat slobs doing nothing. Like Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars.

1198
1:34:25 --> 1:34:30
I think there's a lovely message to us. You know, love your problems. But Jeffrey, if you have other

1199
1:34:30 --> 1:34:35
questions, put them up. Charles, can I just, Charles, can I make this point? So, um, Jeffrey,

1200
1:34:35 --> 1:34:39
I think that's an important question. But I think that you need to understand that even though this

1201
1:34:39 --> 1:34:47
may seem useless to you, it's how human beings solve big problems. So five years ago, I had,

1202
1:34:47 --> 1:34:54
you know, I knew what I knew. And I just thought it was absolutely crazy. I couldn't make sense of

1203
1:34:54 --> 1:35:00
my whole world was kind of attacked from every angle, as far as I could see. And I have never

1204
1:35:00 --> 1:35:07
felt more alone in the sense that even my friends didn't know what was going on. They didn't have a

1205
1:35:07 --> 1:35:13
even a basic understanding. And so I, and then I thought, well, how, what do I do about it? So I

1206
1:35:13 --> 1:35:19
formed this group. And so I've done it previously as well. So I had a kind of model. But I didn't

1207
1:35:19 --> 1:35:24
really think about that, because I knew that I had to get to the truth in order to solve the problem,

1208
1:35:24 --> 1:35:31
or as near as possible as human beings can get to the truth. And how do we do that? We work together

1209
1:35:31 --> 1:35:39
with perceived allies who are not exactly agreeing with everything we say, but we work together with

1210
1:35:39 --> 1:35:45
them to get to the truth as far as that's possible for mere human beings. And that's the best. So

1211
1:35:45 --> 1:35:52
empires do fall. Nobody knows why they've fallen when they have fallen. Some historians might say,

1212
1:35:52 --> 1:35:57
oh, they fell. It fell because of this and that, you know, but it's simplified. But it's the people

1213
1:35:57 --> 1:36:04
understanding and getting closer to the truth through groups like this. But I think this is a

1214
1:36:04 --> 1:36:10
rather special group, but I've understood that only belatedly. They understand and then they

1215
1:36:10 --> 1:36:19
become dangerous with the truth. The truth is very, very powerful. It has a mind of its own,

1216
1:36:19 --> 1:36:26
essentially, which takes over. And the human beings who got to the truth or near to the truth,

1217
1:36:26 --> 1:36:32
they don't really play a part in what happens afterwards. Other people play. Do you see? So

1218
1:36:32 --> 1:36:41
it's very difficult to, I don't know whether Alexander would... I see this happen myself

1219
1:36:41 --> 1:36:48
sometimes when the truth, what do they say? When the truth is out, it can't be bad, basically bottle

1220
1:36:48 --> 1:36:54
back in again. Somebody else put it, I think, very well, that, you know, in a kingdom of lies,

1221
1:36:55 --> 1:37:01
telling the truth is a revolutionary act. All of these. Yeah, yes, I think that. But it's true.

1222
1:37:03 --> 1:37:09
Absolutely. There's a wonderful quote at the beginning of the Savile Inquiry, which I'll try

1223
1:37:09 --> 1:37:13
to find in the remainder and then read it out to you. It's absolutely brilliant. It was actually

1224
1:37:13 --> 1:37:20
the cheap lawyer or whatever they called it of the Savile Inquiry, which if you remember,

1225
1:37:20 --> 1:37:27
Alexander, actually came to a reasonable truth in the end. And essentially the British state was

1226
1:37:27 --> 1:37:33
found guilty of murdering, I can't remember how many, 13 was it in Northern Ireland? And it was.

1227
1:37:34 --> 1:37:38
So, but there's a wonderful quote about the truth at the beginning. I'll try and find it

1228
1:37:38 --> 1:37:44
and read it to you. It's just brilliant. And I've always remembered it. It's wonderful. The truth

1229
1:37:44 --> 1:37:50
has a mind of its own. I can't remember it. I won't mess it up. Yes. All right. Well, before we go,

1230
1:37:50 --> 1:37:55
before we go back to Lars, I'll read Montaigne's quote, which is when the lie takes the elevator,

1231
1:37:56 --> 1:38:03
the truth takes the stairs and one step at a time sooner or later arrives. So.

1232
1:38:04 --> 1:38:11
Yes. All right, Lars and then Tom, and we've got another UI. We've got for two and a half

1233
1:38:11 --> 1:38:15
hours, Alexander, UIK, because we've got lots of questions. Beautiful. Okay, Lars, you're next.

1234
1:38:16 --> 1:38:22
Yes. I was actually thrown out of the system while you were answering my question.

1235
1:38:22 --> 1:38:30
Yes, that's right. I can see that on the video in the interest of time. But I put four slides

1236
1:38:30 --> 1:38:36
into the chat, which talks about the topic I asked you about this Ukrainian admission

1237
1:38:37 --> 1:38:45
that they were asked by Western politicians to shoot hundred people. So the slides are there with

1238
1:38:45 --> 1:38:50
the links to the to the Ukrainian book. I have the Ukrainian book. I can send it to you if you're

1239
1:38:50 --> 1:38:56
interested. But it's a very, very important piece of evidence. I would also like to just throw my

1240
1:38:56 --> 1:39:06
overweight behind Christopher Bolin's Solving 9-11. It's a fantastic book. And he has become

1241
1:39:06 --> 1:39:11
a good friend of mine because I was very interested in that. He lives in Sweden now.

1242
1:39:11 --> 1:39:18
He had to escape the US. And it's a very, very important, probably the most important book I've

1243
1:39:18 --> 1:39:24
read. Interesting. Good. I can send you that book as well. If you put your.

1244
1:39:25 --> 1:39:30
I yes. Well, let me know what the title is and I'll track it down. Yeah.

1245
1:39:32 --> 1:39:39
Thank you. Thank you, Lars. Tom. Tom in Wisconsin, Alexander. I'm sure you know from him from last

1246
1:39:39 --> 1:39:46
time. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And I just want to let you know, I get my feed from you through

1247
1:39:46 --> 1:39:52
RSS, which is kind of a geeky way to do it. And I just hear the audio. So I do hear you guys three or

1248
1:39:52 --> 1:39:59
four times a week. And it's just great. So I was really moved this morning. I have a playlist and

1249
1:39:59 --> 1:40:08
Anna. Anna de Boussourette was talking. It was Doc Malek and it was just so sweet because I guess

1250
1:40:08 --> 1:40:18
this is the anniversary of her death. She's a former barrister and she believes that young

1251
1:40:18 --> 1:40:25
children should be taught the law and know about informed consent and in the Magna Carta. And

1252
1:40:26 --> 1:40:31
I don't know if she said the Magna Carta was fairly long, but the pertinent points could

1253
1:40:31 --> 1:40:39
fit in your pocket. And she was in the hospital. She was next in the hospital room to a woman who

1254
1:40:39 --> 1:40:45
was also on a drip. You know, she was getting this cancer treatment and that person was very proud of

1255
1:40:45 --> 1:40:54
themselves for being involved in the jab. And she was actually in charge of the informed consent

1256
1:40:54 --> 1:41:06
process. So on her death, Anna was asked what she would say on her deathbed by Doc Malek. And he said,

1257
1:41:06 --> 1:41:13
or she said something to the effect, like, be polite. And so she was polite, you know, in other

1258
1:41:13 --> 1:41:19
words, try to make people even that you disagree with comfortable. And she politely enlightened the,

1259
1:41:19 --> 1:41:29
you know, person next to her about what really was going on. But yeah, I just wanted to kind of

1260
1:41:29 --> 1:41:36
honor that thing. She also, the Nuremberg, she encouraged us all to learn law, learn the Nuremberg

1261
1:41:36 --> 1:41:43
about the Nuremberg trials and read them. And she had enumerated a list of about four things. I'm

1262
1:41:43 --> 1:41:51
going to go on. I'll try to share them in the next chat. But with respect to the contemporary stuff,

1263
1:41:53 --> 1:41:59
I heard Jim Fetzer bring this up and it's been brought up repeatedly, I guess, that Jag,

1264
1:42:00 --> 1:42:09
military lawyers are basically saying that those boat, you know, Trump destroying the boats,

1265
1:42:09 --> 1:42:16
that that's, those are actually murder. And I thought maybe you could comment on that. And I

1266
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don't know if there's breaking news on that. And then as far as Russia, I looked at a, you know,

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1:42:22 --> 1:42:28
I don't go to that map all the time, but I know you're always mentioning all these cities and so

1268
1:42:28 --> 1:42:33
forth. My, the last time I looked at a map was about last week. And I still, I have this sense

1269
1:42:33 --> 1:42:40
that Russia is advancing from the East, the, through those provinces that it pretty much took

1270
1:42:41 --> 1:42:47
kind of a North South front. But I'm sure that's an oversimplification. So I like to hear

1271
1:42:49 --> 1:42:53
really high level view of the geography with the names, I'm going to forget, but sort of East,

1272
1:42:53 --> 1:42:59
West, Central, you know, what's going on in the air and what happened to the 10,000 men that were

1273
1:42:59 --> 1:43:05
kettled. That was, that was fairly recent. I didn't hear what happened about that.

1274
1:43:06 --> 1:43:13
And then am I correct that, I mean, I heard some casualty figures on the order of 600 per day.

1275
1:43:13 --> 1:43:17
Yeah. So this is like the end, this is this the end game? Yeah. Just any,

1276
1:43:17 --> 1:43:20
that said, answer whatever you feel comfortable with.

1277
1:43:20 --> 1:43:24
Right. Well, first of all, that was an extremely moving story that you said at the beginning and

1278
1:43:24 --> 1:43:30
thank you for sharing it. And that was a very, very moving story, if I could say. Now,

1279
1:43:32 --> 1:43:37
let's go through the particular points that you make. Was it murder on the high seas to kill these

1280
1:43:37 --> 1:43:44
people on the, in this boat? I would say absolutely. I mean, this is my view. I've spoken to international

1281
1:43:44 --> 1:43:52
lawyers as well. There is no proof that these people were committing any crime. It's completely

1282
1:43:52 --> 1:44:01
unclear to me what authority was being used to carry out this, these attacks in that kind of way.

1283
1:44:01 --> 1:44:07
They were clearly not involved in the, the people who were killed were clearly not involved in any

1284
1:44:07 --> 1:44:16
attacks against the U S Navy service. No conceivable argument of self-defense. And this latest incident

1285
1:44:17 --> 1:44:23
in which apparently a boat was blown up and then some people, there were some survivors and they

1286
1:44:23 --> 1:44:28
were clinging on to wreckage and that they were killed all over, that they were killed then.

1287
1:44:28 --> 1:44:33
Well, that seems to me absolutely horrific and utterly and completely wrong. I think that there

1288
1:44:33 --> 1:44:39
is an overwhelming legal consensus, if I could say so, that this is, that this is a criminal,

1289
1:44:39 --> 1:44:45
a criminal act. Now, of course we need to be always careful as we've seen about legal,

1290
1:44:45 --> 1:44:51
illegal consensus, but this is one case when I absolutely share it. I think that this is very,

1291
1:44:51 --> 1:44:58
very wrong and I think what it should be held, the people who are doing it should be held to account

1292
1:44:59 --> 1:45:09
and maybe one day they will be. Now about education and legal education. Well, I think having

1293
1:45:10 --> 1:45:20
an informed public is an essential thing and essential if rights are to be protected and

1294
1:45:20 --> 1:45:28
enforced because who ultimately can enforce rights, who ultimately can ensure that proper discussion

1295
1:45:28 --> 1:45:35
and free debate takes place. It has to happen. If there is a will on the part of the public to make

1296
1:45:35 --> 1:45:41
it happen, I believe generally there is, but of course it needs to be developed and cultivated.

1297
1:45:42 --> 1:45:49
What was it? I think it was Voltaire once said, if the people begin to reason, all is lost and that's

1298
1:45:49 --> 1:45:55
where, that's where that comes from. I mean, that's why you need to have, you need to have that

1299
1:45:56 --> 1:46:02
degree of knowledge and understanding. So legal education, I think is a good thing and I think I

1300
1:46:02 --> 1:46:12
would not call it legal education exactly, but an understanding of the rights that human beings

1301
1:46:12 --> 1:46:20
in a in alienably come with. Remember what Jefferson said at the start of the declaration

1302
1:46:20 --> 1:46:27
of independence that people are born equal and they have certain inalienable rights.

1303
1:46:28 --> 1:46:36
That is the foundation ultimately of law and that is the understanding that people have

1304
1:46:36 --> 1:46:42
and they need to know that as human beings they do have certain rights that are inalienable to

1305
1:46:42 --> 1:46:49
themselves and that's a fundamental principle and one that needs to be developed and enlarged. I think

1306
1:46:49 --> 1:46:56
too much time trying to educate people into the minutiae of law might go against that.

1307
1:46:56 --> 1:47:02
Now about Ukraine and the conflict in Ukraine, I think you're getting this about right. There is

1308
1:47:03 --> 1:47:10
actually a very complex and very difficult geography in the terms of some parts of this are

1309
1:47:10 --> 1:47:17
quite muddy and hilly, the ground is soft and there's heavily forested and the cities are very

1310
1:47:17 --> 1:47:25
dense, the urban spaces are very dense. I think that what's happening is that the Russians are

1311
1:47:25 --> 1:47:34
coming towards the limit of that territory and yes you're right they're mostly advancing from the

1312
1:47:34 --> 1:47:41
east towards the west to some extent they're also advancing from the south towards the north. If you

1313
1:47:41 --> 1:47:48
look at it it's a kind of semi-circle basically. Now about the people who were kettled, a lot of

1314
1:47:48 --> 1:47:55
them unfortunately are dead and the numbers are reducing and that is the nature of this war.

1315
1:47:55 --> 1:48:03
It is a very very cruel war indeed and is this the beginning of the end? One always hesitates to

1316
1:48:03 --> 1:48:12
say that but certainly one can say that there is a crisis on the battlefronts which is becoming

1317
1:48:12 --> 1:48:19
increasingly difficult to see how the present government in Ukraine is going to get through

1318
1:48:19 --> 1:48:24
and that is why by the way we have diplomacy at the moment that is why the United States is trying

1319
1:48:24 --> 1:48:37
to find some way to persuade the Russians basically to stop. So you think

1320
1:48:37 --> 1:48:45
Kellogg is really out and then flipping back Anna mentioned she made common law real to me. She said

1321
1:48:45 --> 1:48:52
that it's all based on precedent but it's a real thing because there's all this talk about natural

1322
1:48:52 --> 1:48:59
law and then I get confused. However in the chat people and Anna mentioned this today you know when

1323
1:48:59 --> 1:49:05
I heard her she actually said that the Old Testament and the New Testament in England is

1324
1:49:06 --> 1:49:13
actually referred to but the common law there's no question the common law is something that's

1325
1:49:13 --> 1:49:19
part of the commonwealth countries right? Okay and I'm done I'll pass.

1326
1:49:19 --> 1:49:29
The common law is absolutely a real thing and of course it's part of the superstructure of the legal

1327
1:49:29 --> 1:49:39
system in England and it is a unique creation and it's an evolving one. About citing the Bible,

1328
1:49:39 --> 1:49:47
yes it does happen actually but not very much anymore. It used to be much more common once upon

1329
1:49:47 --> 1:49:55
the time. Thank you Tom. Alexander can I now turn your mind to centre of Europe?

1330
1:49:55 --> 1:50:01
So whilst you're a Russia-Ukraine expert I'm I speak fluent Hungarian I'm president of the

1331
1:50:01 --> 1:50:08
Australia-Hungary Chamber of Commerce and I'm interested in your perspective on the position

1332
1:50:08 --> 1:50:14
I'm a fan of Viktor Orbán I'm a fan of what Hungary's position is in relation to the EU

1333
1:50:14 --> 1:50:20
and Hungary and I mean and I look at central Europe I say to Australians

1334
1:50:22 --> 1:50:29
Western Europe is lost to wokeism and Islam and Hungary is not Poland is not Slovenia is not

1335
1:50:29 --> 1:50:37
Croatia is not and the future is in central Europe heading east not western Europe. Your thoughts

1336
1:50:37 --> 1:50:44
please. Well I went to Hungary last year and I was hugely impressed and it was we went there

1337
1:50:45 --> 1:50:50
we went there on invitation from the Hungarian government and we met many Hungarian officials

1338
1:50:50 --> 1:50:58
I should say including people from Orbán's office we never met Orbán himself but I was extremely

1339
1:50:58 --> 1:51:08
impressed by the ability and the intelligence and the groundedness of the people there. They made

1340
1:51:08 --> 1:51:15
a very very painful contrast I have to say to the political class in London altogether so I

1341
1:51:16 --> 1:51:24
came away very impressed by what I saw in Hungary. Now other places in Eastern Europe I know less

1342
1:51:24 --> 1:51:34
well but I said central. Central Europe you're quite right. Thank you for the correction by the

1343
1:51:34 --> 1:51:43
way correction accepted completely but I know I know sir I've not been I've been to the Czech

1344
1:51:43 --> 1:51:50
Republic which is a bit more to the west if you like but I've not been to Slovakia I've not been

1345
1:51:50 --> 1:51:59
to Poland but I think basically you are right certainly when I went to Hungary to Budapest

1346
1:51:59 --> 1:52:06
it was very strange it reminded me very strongly of a Britain I used to remember.

1347
1:52:07 --> 1:52:17
It was very orderly very law abiding very efficient very honest people there was the levels of private

1348
1:52:17 --> 1:52:27
and public honesty were extremely high and it brought all that back it was like going back

1349
1:52:27 --> 1:52:32
into a time machine and I don't mean this in a negative sense I mean I don't mean it's

1350
1:52:32 --> 1:52:40
old-fashioned or outdated or anachronistic but it was like going to a Europe if you like

1351
1:52:40 --> 1:52:49
that I used to remember and which still exists and which actually seems to work because anybody

1352
1:52:49 --> 1:52:54
who lives in Britain today and I think this is true well it is it is true in France and it's

1353
1:52:54 --> 1:53:00
increasingly true in Germany too can see that structures are breaking down it's happening all

1354
1:53:00 --> 1:53:08
the time in Hungary they're not and Hungary interestingly for those of you who don't know

1355
1:53:08 --> 1:53:15
has a deep spiritual foundation for its existence and it should not be in existence and it demonstrates

1356
1:53:15 --> 1:53:21
the power of the human spirit because it was found it's the oldest nation in Europe 896

1357
1:53:21 --> 1:53:27
it's never won a war in which it participated and there it is it still exists in the center

1358
1:53:27 --> 1:53:35
of Europe so I have I have great the faith that that's that that's going to be a I look at the

1359
1:53:35 --> 1:53:40
evidence again Rezeps a Locketer I look its existence in itself is evidence of that proposition

1360
1:53:41 --> 1:53:46
I completely agree with that I mean I think Hungary is a is a is a great example actually

1361
1:53:46 --> 1:53:50
I was all I could say again is I was hugely impressed by what I saw there

1362
1:53:51 --> 1:53:58
now Jerry Brady has created crafted a term Hussarich which stands for an alliance between

1363
1:53:58 --> 1:54:03
that Trump is facilitating it's he's put it in the chat you can read about and think about it

1364
1:54:03 --> 1:54:10
of Hungary USA Russia Russia India China and Slovakia interestingly not Czech Republic but

1365
1:54:10 --> 1:54:18
anyway it's a nice it's a nice summary of really what's going on and I observe that

1366
1:54:18 --> 1:54:24
and I observe the criticism of Auburn by the EU and I have zero respect for the EU

1367
1:54:25 --> 1:54:31
and right at the start today we talked about democracy and what a flawed system it is and

1368
1:54:31 --> 1:54:36
we've had Andrew Bridgen on here three times and we'll go to Stephen for the final set of

1369
1:54:36 --> 1:54:41
questions here but Andrew Bridgen he was shafted in the last election he has evidence that he was

1370
1:54:41 --> 1:54:47
shafted in the last election and even when you've got a system that wants the powers that be say

1371
1:54:47 --> 1:54:54
we're going to shaft you Andrew Bridgen democracy doesn't count so you know he's he's made it really

1372
1:54:54 --> 1:54:59
very clear for us here of what's going on with him as a wonderful fighter for our rights

1373
1:55:00 --> 1:55:07
I completely agree with that also I mean the anybody again who is has illusions about the

1374
1:55:08 --> 1:55:15
integrity of our voting systems I'm afraid is being well I was going to say it I think they've

1375
1:55:15 --> 1:55:23
been becoming increasingly naive it is impossible for everything else to become corrupted and the

1376
1:55:24 --> 1:55:32
voting system not to be and it the two are incompatible with each other and if you followed

1377
1:55:32 --> 1:55:38
the development of politics in Britain you could see this certainly in Hungary I did not get the

1378
1:55:38 --> 1:55:44
impression that things were unstable in that kind of way or corrupted in that kind of way

1379
1:55:44 --> 1:55:51
and by the way I completely agree with your points about Auburn and his battles with the EU we've

1380
1:55:51 --> 1:55:58
often discussed them on the Juran and we've talked about them a great deal and I believe

1381
1:55:58 --> 1:56:03
just for the record that Auburn has listened and has been happy with some of the things we've said

1382
1:56:03 --> 1:56:09
just saying well done well I have I have personally met Peter Seartor the foreign minister

1383
1:56:09 --> 1:56:13
on a couple of occasions and many ministers in his government and I personally know the

1384
1:56:13 --> 1:56:20
president of the house of parliament and you know it's it's it is a it's a great case study

1385
1:56:20 --> 1:56:25
and the last thing I'll say before Stephen comes on is that the Latin description of

1386
1:56:26 --> 1:56:33
Hungary calls itself in Latin regnum marianum which means kingdom of Mary and St and King Stephen

1387
1:56:33 --> 1:56:40
when he converted to Christianity Catholicism in fact he dedicated the country to Mary the mother

1388
1:56:40 --> 1:56:49
of Jesus and 90 percent of Hungarians are Catholics and you look at that and go wow you know that's

1389
1:56:50 --> 1:56:57
that's pretty amazing and the support of the family and indeed Bob Santa Maria in Australia

1390
1:56:57 --> 1:57:04
from 1945 through to when he died in 1998 was a great warrior for policies and I wonder if the

1391
1:57:04 --> 1:57:11
Juran can explore these policies of family supporting of policies that support the family

1392
1:57:11 --> 1:57:16
and that's what Hungary has done and my understanding Poland as well whereas in Australia

1393
1:57:16 --> 1:57:20
it's all about the individual and there's a whole bunch of policies from what's called the

1394
1:57:20 --> 1:57:28
National Civic Council there was Bob Santa Maria working with the Irish archbishop Irish born arch

1395
1:57:28 --> 1:57:38
bishop of Melbourne who really caused a massive uh impact in Australian politics but it was he

1396
1:57:38 --> 1:57:45
drove that idea National Civic Council is still pushing for family friendly policies

1397
1:57:45 --> 1:57:50
so everyone I'll bring it to your attention so what would those policies look like

1398
1:57:50 --> 1:57:56
well indeed can I just say something I was when I was in Hungary I attended a meeting with I think

1399
1:57:56 --> 1:58:03
was Balazs Orbán I don't know whether you know him at all but they were discussing the um family

1400
1:58:03 --> 1:58:09
friendly policies of the Hungarian government and I remember thinking my goodness if only we had

1401
1:58:09 --> 1:58:16
anything something like that here in Britain I speak now by the way as the a father of three

1402
1:58:16 --> 1:58:27
children and um well um they were getting a degree of sympathy which I don't feel that my

1403
1:58:28 --> 1:58:33
government extends to someone in the kind of situation which I mean just to say

1404
1:58:34 --> 1:58:41
agree Stephen last set of questions for you my friend because Alexander totalitarianism

1405
1:58:41 --> 1:58:51
wants to destroy the family that's the first aim of every um totalitarian system and um and we

1406
1:58:51 --> 1:58:59
I think we agree that the climate change fraud um the Ukraine war and uh COVID at least and there

1407
1:58:59 --> 1:59:07
are other examples um but um our Trojan horses for totalitarianism and Hungary it seems to me has

1408
1:59:07 --> 1:59:12
suffered in you know more than most European countries so they've had to think about their

1409
1:59:12 --> 1:59:18
survival their existence so they had the Hungarian uprising in 1956 I think it was

1410
1:59:19 --> 1:59:28
and um and the Czech Republic Czechoslovakia in 1968 um and um that was not an uprising that was a

1411
1:59:29 --> 1:59:36
what was that a revolution well it was an attempt by the um Czech government at the time the Czech

1412
1:59:36 --> 1:59:43
Slovak government led by Alexander Dubček to try and reform communism from within a communism with

1413
1:59:43 --> 1:59:48
a human face uh socialism with a human face as they called it but it was still perceived as an

1414
1:59:48 --> 1:59:55
attack on the soviet the soviets crushed it I mean as the the system in the soviet union considered

1415
1:59:55 --> 2:00:03
that completely unacceptable I mean uh the very the very slogan socialism with a human face was

1416
2:00:03 --> 2:00:09
a red rack to to the bull I don't know whether you are familiar but there was there's a poem

1417
2:00:09 --> 2:00:15
from that time which um I forgot his name but one of the great poets actually wrote about you know

1418
2:00:15 --> 2:00:24
talking about the ogre doing things that are impossible for human beings to do and the ogre

1419
2:00:25 --> 2:00:34
has one problem he cannot speak he cannot speak words and of course that was about the soviet

1420
2:00:34 --> 2:00:42
union crushing the the Prague Spring the Prague Spring as it was called and I am very very angry

1421
2:00:42 --> 2:00:47
with myself that I can't remember the name of this poet whom you will always all of you know as soon

1422
2:00:47 --> 2:00:53
as I if it if it comes to me before we end this discussion so it seems to me Alexander if you're

1423
2:00:53 --> 2:00:57
going through an existential threat yeah your survival then you need your family and it's

1424
2:00:57 --> 2:01:05
obvious you need your family so that is as far as I can see is consistent with Hungary still promoting

1425
2:01:05 --> 2:01:11
pro-family values just as in the United States where the southern United States have had lots

1426
2:01:11 --> 2:01:17
of problems shall we say without going into detail and what do you find you find that the family is

1427
2:01:17 --> 2:01:23
very important in the south as well of the United States completely different from California and

1428
2:01:23 --> 2:01:30
New York State and all the rest of the woke and it um um uh northeastern states in the United States

1429
2:01:30 --> 2:01:37
which are undermining well yes in my opinion a lot of this could be emanating from the Chinese

1430
2:01:37 --> 2:01:44
Communist Party and people are so intent on making excuses for the Chinese Communist Party

1431
2:01:44 --> 2:01:51
thinking that I'm criticizing for example the Chinese people when in fact I think that Chinese

1432
2:01:51 --> 2:01:58
people are innocent except that they've been taken over by this totalitarian system and they

1433
2:01:58 --> 2:02:05
haven't resisted as strongly as they should have perhaps but um essentially they're victims

1434
2:02:06 --> 2:02:13
I'm not saying that the victim you know the victim narrative is great always but but um I think you

1435
2:02:13 --> 2:02:19
could view the Chinese people as victims they had a fantastic civilization 5 000 years old

1436
2:02:20 --> 2:02:27
and that was hijacked by and destroyed by the Chinese Communist Party with the when Mao Zedong

1437
2:02:27 --> 2:02:35
came to power in 1949 as I understand it and then the great I mean I'm not a cynologist but I've

1438
2:02:35 --> 2:02:43
always been hugely interested in China's civilization I by the way I collect uh copies not not originals

1439
2:02:43 --> 2:02:48
of Chinese paintings and I've got lots of books I mean the whole point about Chinese civilization

1440
2:02:48 --> 2:02:55
is that it was based on the family it was a very very heavily family centered civilization

1441
2:02:55 --> 2:03:01
I mean Confucianism is all about the family and about reverence for the ancestors and the

1442
2:03:02 --> 2:03:11
continuation of the thread of human existence through the family so um any system any system

1443
2:03:11 --> 2:03:22
imposed on the Chinese people that is hostile to the family is fundamentally alien to them

1444
2:03:22 --> 2:03:28
and to their culture just to say but but of course they were encouraged to to brief against other

1445
2:03:28 --> 2:03:35
members of their families to the Chinese state the Chinese Communist Party that was encouraged in

1446
2:03:36 --> 2:03:43
in China and that's absolutely outrageous so and that was also the system in the Soviet Union

1447
2:03:43 --> 2:03:50
and in the Eastern Europe and so I think that these people who've suffered recently apart from

1448
2:03:50 --> 2:03:55
China obviously they haven't got their act together at all I think it's a real shame what's happened

1449
2:03:55 --> 2:04:02
to Hong Kong as well and Britain was instrumental in that and yeah they've been totally betrayed the

1450
2:04:02 --> 2:04:08
Hong Kong people because they are now okay it might not be as bad as mainland China but it's

1451
2:04:08 --> 2:04:19
still China and the intent is to get them to toe the line and their souls are you know the

1452
2:04:19 --> 2:04:24
thing that made Hong Kong great is being destroyed as far as I can see so it seems to me that the

1453
2:04:24 --> 2:04:29
problem with the United Kingdom and the United States is not all parts of the United States

1454
2:04:29 --> 2:04:33
there's a big difference between the south and these woke states we were talking about

1455
2:04:34 --> 2:04:39
and so I think that life has been too comfortable and people have been encouraged

1456
2:04:39 --> 2:04:45
to think of themselves to be selfish to not look after their old people to not value their families

1457
2:04:45 --> 2:04:51
to not value their friends and to rely more and more on their mobile phones their computers

1458
2:04:51 --> 2:04:59
AI and the state but well indeed earned your point about people informing on each other

1459
2:04:59 --> 2:05:05
and informing on members of their families and other people outside their families too

1460
2:05:05 --> 2:05:11
well that's of course inherent in totalitarian systems and one of the most alarming things

1461
2:05:12 --> 2:05:18
is that it's starting to happen increasingly in our in our societies too I mean people are now

1462
2:05:18 --> 2:05:27
being encouraged to inform on each other which is deplorable I mean in in every respect I mean it

1463
2:05:27 --> 2:05:32
should be outrageous I mean I by the way I mean just to say I mean these stories about what my

1464
2:05:32 --> 2:05:40
Nigel Farage said when he was a child at school I mean frankly I mean who are the people who are

1465
2:05:40 --> 2:05:45
coming out with these things now and why are we even paying them any attention and that's this

1466
2:05:45 --> 2:05:53
sort of thing should not be publicized in that kind of way that is exactly the kind of thing you

1467
2:05:53 --> 2:05:59
know that used to happen in Stalin's time by the way I'm sure that this is I mean I know that this

1468
2:05:59 --> 2:06:07
is true that you know people said something you know that you expressed some views on some subject

1469
2:06:07 --> 2:06:12
when you were at school or at university and somebody would note it down and then many years

1470
2:06:12 --> 2:06:19
later it would be brought up and used against you oh this is terrible yes haven't they got any shame

1471
2:06:19 --> 2:06:24
have they no conscience it's just pretty well well again if you're talking about totalitarian

1472
2:06:24 --> 2:06:31
societies and structures they don't have conscience by definition sure I mean that's that's exactly

1473
2:06:31 --> 2:06:37
what they leave behind they have no more if they had conscience that they wouldn't be they wouldn't

1474
2:06:37 --> 2:06:45
be able to function as totalitarian societies incredible so anyway um I just wanted to ask you

1475
2:06:45 --> 2:06:52
something that's really important possibly you meant there was an allusion to it earlier I think

1476
2:06:52 --> 2:06:59
it was Tom in his long question there were several good questions um but um and I don't know how you

1477
2:06:59 --> 2:07:03
remembered all all the questions um Alexander unless you've got a notepad there which you never

1478
2:07:03 --> 2:07:07
look at no I don't I did have a right so you remembered all the questions and that's pretty

1479
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amazing to me um so um I just want to ask you this so it's a serious question did the U.S.

1480
2:07:13 --> 2:07:22
manufacture the Ukraine war to take down Europe well again this is this is this is actually a very

1481
2:07:22 --> 2:07:28
good question which we cannot have a complete answer to because we don't know what exact debates

1482
2:07:28 --> 2:07:35
and discussions took place in the United States and when we talk about the United States we obviously

1483
2:07:35 --> 2:07:40
mean policy makers in the United States but we don't always know who exactly the policy makers

1484
2:07:40 --> 2:07:45
are because one of the things that's become increasingly clear is that uh

1485
2:07:47 --> 2:07:55
structures of power are no longer as clear as they used to be which by the way means that

1486
2:07:55 --> 2:08:02
they're less accountable I I think there was probably some element of that I I suspect that

1487
2:08:03 --> 2:08:11
certainly there was some worry that Europe parts of Europe and Russia Germany maybe who knows

1488
2:08:11 --> 2:08:17
were becoming too close to each other that there was a worry that Europe was starting to there

1489
2:08:17 --> 2:08:24
were risks that Europe might start to become increasingly assertive and independent and that

1490
2:08:24 --> 2:08:32
Europe had to be brought further under control and to the extent that Europe was a potential economic

1491
2:08:32 --> 2:08:39
rival it had to be brought down as well now it's the kind of thing I have to say this

1492
2:08:40 --> 2:08:49
that people who engage in geopolitics a term by the way I detest I loathe expression geopolitics

1493
2:08:49 --> 2:08:55
even though it's always lumped on me I've always said that you know I do I'm an expert in geopolitics

1494
2:08:55 --> 2:08:59
but I loathe the expression but those who what should you say then?

1495
2:08:59 --> 2:09:07
Alexander what should you say? Once upon a time the words international relations I thought

1496
2:09:07 --> 2:09:16
sufficed but if you if you know about IR studies as they are conducted in modern universities

1497
2:09:17 --> 2:09:23
you will know that they are an obscenity and that they have very little to do any longer with a

1498
2:09:23 --> 2:09:29
genuine study of international relations so this horrible term geopolitics has taken its place

1499
2:09:29 --> 2:09:37
but those who practice geopolitics who you know believe that nations are little counters little

1500
2:09:38 --> 2:09:44
pieces that they can move across the great chessboard that they believe they're playing

1501
2:09:45 --> 2:09:49
no doubt they're the people who came up with these terrible ideas about breaking down Europe

1502
2:09:49 --> 2:09:56
and all of that all I will say is shame on them and what they are doing is going to be very bad

1503
2:09:57 --> 2:10:05
ultimately for the United States itself because what the United States is doing is it's weakening

1504
2:10:06 --> 2:10:15
those countries that were historically friendliest to itself and which form part of that same cultural

1505
2:10:16 --> 2:10:23
world that it itself belongs to so if they and I think they as I said to some extent they did

1506
2:10:23 --> 2:10:29
if they did this in order to bring down Europe then they are diminishing the United States

1507
2:10:31 --> 2:10:35
so you you at least think that that was a possibility yes I think it's I think that

1508
2:10:35 --> 2:10:43
I think it was not just a possibility I think it played a part in the decision making

1509
2:10:43 --> 2:10:52
yeah and related to that in the context of that was the Nord Stream pipeline nuclear

1510
2:10:52 --> 2:10:59
and with nuclear explosion was that well wanting to Europe in particular Germany it might have been

1511
2:10:59 --> 2:11:05
I mean look I'm not going to discuss how it was done because I don't know I'm not an expert on

1512
2:11:05 --> 2:11:14
this I know that that view exists I know that it is well supported obviously there's been I didn't

1513
2:11:14 --> 2:11:20
know that actually but but we had I know it exists a physicist I know I know exactly I've heard about

1514
2:11:20 --> 2:11:29
this uh this is this is exactly the point because you go out and discuss this publicly and well you

1515
2:11:29 --> 2:11:36
you'll see what you you know what will happen it will be immediately suppressed so something that

1516
2:11:36 --> 2:11:46
has that is out there can never be researched and investigated and discussed properly and if it's

1517
2:11:46 --> 2:11:55
not true we need to know and it is true we absolutely need to know yeah sure so um very

1518
2:11:55 --> 2:12:00
briefly so that people who are watching this video later they understand at least the background

1519
2:12:01 --> 2:12:08
so we had a nuclear physicist I can't quite remember the name now I can't believe I've

1520
2:12:08 --> 2:12:15
forgotten it but um yeah someone in the chat brown even sorry dr hans benjamin brown

1521
2:12:15 --> 2:12:23
hans benjamin brown how could I forget so he proved in 12 different ways um that uh the Nord Stream

1522
2:12:23 --> 2:12:32
pipeline explosion was a nuclear explosion um now but the swedes who detected Chernobyl first

1523
2:12:33 --> 2:12:40
possibly because of the wind um you know there's an explosion taking place in Chernobyl um that

1524
2:12:40 --> 2:12:47
that which possibly led to the the the end of the soviet union um the swede said nothing

1525
2:12:47 --> 2:12:53
uh so essentially and yes everyone in europe must have known about but nobody mentioned that the

1526
2:12:53 --> 2:13:02
there'd been a nuclear explosion in the center of europe and everybody kept quiet all the

1527
2:13:02 --> 2:13:08
governments in in europe kept quiet and I thought whoa hang on this is treason they haven't told

1528
2:13:08 --> 2:13:16
their people what occurred and so but was that a warning from the united states to europe

1529
2:13:17 --> 2:13:23
uh to say look we can cause a nuclear explosion in in the center of europe which would be picked up

1530
2:13:23 --> 2:13:27
by the swedes of course the swedes would definitely know about it but the germany should have known

1531
2:13:27 --> 2:13:34
about it but they said nothing what we can pick wait a minute alexander so we can pick up we can

1532
2:13:34 --> 2:13:39
cause a nuclear explosion in the center of europe putting all these countries at risk and all the

1533
2:13:39 --> 2:13:46
people unknown risk um and you're not going to say anything about it well it is a very

1534
2:13:47 --> 2:13:52
if it was done like that and and i have to say again i mean i i know that this theory is there

1535
2:13:53 --> 2:14:03
but i i've not tested it but if if it is if it happened that way then this is a demonstration

1536
2:14:03 --> 2:14:12
of power because that's what it would be yes which is unbelievably powerful and sinister

1537
2:14:12 --> 2:14:20
i mean the the uh i mean this is this is this would be a terrible thing if it had happened and

1538
2:14:20 --> 2:14:26
of course um it would absolutely tell us who is absolutely who is really in control

1539
2:14:28 --> 2:14:34
yes and i'm not saying anything i'm just saying that this possibility was raised by one of the

1540
2:14:34 --> 2:14:41
presenters um he was incredibly authentic he sent his research results all over the world to

1541
2:14:42 --> 2:14:47
many many including the united nations but not just the united nations heads of governments i

1542
2:14:47 --> 2:14:53
think governments were and nobody said anything nobody came back to him and that tells me that he

1543
2:14:53 --> 2:14:59
was right well that's exactly the point because if he's wrong then we could have a public discussion

1544
2:14:59 --> 2:15:07
we can have all the facts out there we can have uh uh i mean his his points can be refuted we can

1545
2:15:07 --> 2:15:12
have proper debate and of course if that's not happening then that of course immediately

1546
2:15:14 --> 2:15:19
begs the question why and it leads to the conclusion that you just stated

1547
2:15:21 --> 2:15:27
yeah amazing so that's very interesting um so we're not saying that it did happen we're just

1548
2:15:27 --> 2:15:33
saying it's a possibility and maybe someone needs to look for evidence that it did happen or blow

1549
2:15:33 --> 2:15:38
the whistle in government you know someone must know something in particular in sweden because

1550
2:15:38 --> 2:15:45
they were the ones who blew the whistle on chernobyl yes yes and if there's secrecy about this

1551
2:15:45 --> 2:15:51
that that also needs to be explained i mean that's that is that is also something that needs to be

1552
2:15:51 --> 2:15:58
explained by the way steven by the way that was an incredible comment on that yes you can large

1553
2:15:59 --> 2:16:08
so large is swedish yes and uh when this happened i i went down to hans benjamin brown who is the

1554
2:16:08 --> 2:16:17
professor that came with this theory and so i was in his his living room where he explained all the

1555
2:16:17 --> 2:16:26
points that he had in his description of what the problem was he he is a fascinating person

1556
2:16:26 --> 2:16:33
so i took that material to a professor in sweden who is a professor of theoretical physics

1557
2:16:34 --> 2:16:40
you know nasa background etc definitely on our side he said he's revealing lots of things

1558
2:16:41 --> 2:16:50
but he said oh my god i asked why aren't people commenting on this and he had six different

1559
2:16:51 --> 2:16:57
different arguments for why this is complete bullshit look at this look at that look at his

1560
2:16:57 --> 2:17:02
data there look at this look at that so i have a i have a 10 page response from him

1561
2:17:03 --> 2:17:10
which i'm not really technically competent to put it on but those are his comments he said

1562
2:17:11 --> 2:17:17
no one here would spend time on that it's just stupid so so i i think it's very important that

1563
2:17:17 --> 2:17:25
somebody spends time on it because the person i'm talking about is a very qualified theoretical

1564
2:17:25 --> 2:17:32
physicist so large why didn't you introduce that person to hans and then he could argue with him

1565
2:17:32 --> 2:17:42
directly i've asked him to have a dialogue on our platform uh but he said oh it's just ridiculous

1566
2:17:43 --> 2:17:52
so it's for him it's his question is who asked him to do this he he kind of goes one step beyond

1567
2:17:52 --> 2:18:02
and said who wanted to have this out with such bad scientific background what what who is paying

1568
2:18:02 --> 2:18:08
him to do this so large why didn't he engage with the hans himself if he was so certain of himself

1569
2:18:08 --> 2:18:13
uh good question that's what i would have done but he has much more important things to do in

1570
2:18:13 --> 2:18:18
in well what can be more important than that well well well that's my view i mean i mean

1571
2:18:19 --> 2:18:24
putting one person off against i mean that's one thing but i mean there ought to be an open discussion

1572
2:18:24 --> 2:18:31
um people can come i i i just i don't know this person who came on this program but bring him

1573
2:18:31 --> 2:18:36
bring him out give him a give him his opportunity to state what he says and all of the scientific

1574
2:18:36 --> 2:18:43
community if he's wrong they can actually come out and prove that he's wrong if the worry is

1575
2:18:43 --> 2:18:50
that people are too naive and gullible and manipulate easily manipulated so that you know

1576
2:18:50 --> 2:18:57
if the scientific facts are presented to them um you know that they'll they won't understand them

1577
2:18:57 --> 2:19:05
i can say for an absolute fact that's nonsense that is absolute nonsense and it's it's people

1578
2:19:05 --> 2:19:14
who say that obviously don't believe in juries elections democracy anything like because you can

1579
2:19:14 --> 2:19:23
argue in any one of those fields that people are easily manipulated will lose their way they'll not

1580
2:19:23 --> 2:19:28
understand the scientific facts and where does that lead you it leads you to the situation where

1581
2:19:29 --> 2:19:36
you have a group of people who always say that they know everything and they must be accepted

1582
2:19:36 --> 2:19:43
and no kind of dissent to what they say is acceptable so all i say is let's have it out

1583
2:19:43 --> 2:19:53
there and have it properly debated and discussed and treat humanity with that respect which as

1584
2:19:53 --> 2:20:00
humanity it marries that's all it's a very important question it has a large are large

1585
2:20:00 --> 2:20:07
are you talking about neils herod no no no this is this is a swedish professor his his name is

1586
2:20:07 --> 2:20:16
well herod i think neil's is swedish no he's danish oh he's danish yeah alexander um um

1587
2:20:16 --> 2:20:22
liz truss was prime minister at this incredible time um and she um on the

1588
2:20:24 --> 2:20:28
morning after the explosion i think it happened in the middle of the night didn't it um

1589
2:20:28 --> 2:20:35
or two o'clock in the morning or something um and she said uh what was the thing she sent a text

1590
2:20:35 --> 2:20:44
to someone i don't know how i know this we've done it leading people to believe that the uk had done

1591
2:20:44 --> 2:20:51
it on behalf of the u.s maybe it was a text message to anthony blinken yeah thank you

1592
2:20:53 --> 2:21:00
yeah so it looked as though it was done by the uk on behalf of the u.s otherwise how would how would

1593
2:21:00 --> 2:21:07
liz truss know before anthony blinken before the united states government essentially so um and

1594
2:21:07 --> 2:21:13
liz truss is very interesting because she was only in power for three weeks and so extensively the

1595
2:21:13 --> 2:21:21
reason that she had to go was uh because she was um pushing some economic policy which wasn't

1596
2:21:21 --> 2:21:27
popular and even she she's continuing to say that now and it may be the truth but the but also during

1597
2:21:27 --> 2:21:35
that crazy period um the queen queen elizabeth second died in suspicious circumstances in my

1598
2:21:35 --> 2:21:45
view um and um but we won't go into that uh so and now she's speaking out so she gets 115 000

1599
2:21:45 --> 2:21:51
pounds a year as a former prime minister even though it was three weeks but i did think at

1600
2:21:51 --> 2:21:59
the time was she brought in specifically for the nord stream pipeline explosion and was the reason

1601
2:21:59 --> 2:22:05
that they didn't want to sit in prime minister having to answer questions about the nord stream

1602
2:22:05 --> 2:22:10
pipeline explosion so get rid of her it's just unbelievable to me that uh you know they didn't

1603
2:22:10 --> 2:22:16
know that she was going to say what she said about economics or whatever it was the budget of the

1604
2:22:16 --> 2:22:23
crazy budget with your bank of england didn't like or whatever it was um um and so she they realized

1605
2:22:24 --> 2:22:30
within three weeks and got rid of her so um the whole thing but now she's actually

1606
2:22:31 --> 2:22:38
on our side in america using the money i presume to fund her stay in america if she's not got money

1607
2:22:38 --> 2:22:46
of her own but yeah i i don't know what role rosen had or what role this list trust had and

1608
2:22:46 --> 2:22:52
what she knows and what she doesn't know because of course she doesn't speak to me so how can i

1609
2:22:52 --> 2:22:57
know all i could say with any confidence but i think she would speak to you alexander well she

1610
2:22:57 --> 2:23:02
probably she might do if one day we get in touch i'm not sure that she would by the way but who

1611
2:23:02 --> 2:23:07
knows but the point i will say is this and you know i've already disclosed the fact that i know

1612
2:23:07 --> 2:23:14
quasi quasi quatern and in fact i regard him as a friend just to say but i was not in contact with

1613
2:23:14 --> 2:23:22
him at the time when he was chancellor or for some months before or for about two years after we've

1614
2:23:22 --> 2:23:28
recently reestablished contact now i've not discussed what happened then with him either

1615
2:23:28 --> 2:23:35
because obviously it's a difficult subject i just wanted to say that but at the time at the time

1616
2:23:36 --> 2:23:44
i said on the duran that this is a plot that the whole business with list trust was the was a plot

1617
2:23:44 --> 2:23:55
i actually went out and i said i perhaps you could remember but i said i smell a plot and i have no

1618
2:23:55 --> 2:24:01
doubt about this because i have been i've worked in government i've been involved in plots and i've

1619
2:24:01 --> 2:24:09
never engaged in plotting myself but i've had plots against me as i said many times in programs

1620
2:24:09 --> 2:24:16
i am a grizzled bureaucratic warrior i could recognize plotting when i saw it

1621
2:24:19 --> 2:24:26
excellent so have you seen what list trust is saying in america now no oh well i recommend

1622
2:24:26 --> 2:24:31
that you because she definitely gives the impression that she knows what she's talking

1623
2:24:31 --> 2:24:38
and she has been the prime minister for three weeks um so um but she's really scathing about

1624
2:24:38 --> 2:24:44
what's going on in the uk at the moment her audience is mostly american at the moment um

1625
2:24:45 --> 2:24:49
i think she's trying to ingratiate herself in certain quarters but i have to say she's very

1626
2:24:49 --> 2:24:57
interesting and i never expected to say that about list trust who i thought was vacuous and but well

1627
2:25:00 --> 2:25:03
i i never thought she's vacuous i mean what i would simply say this she may be trying to

1628
2:25:03 --> 2:25:07
ingratiate herself she might be doing all sorts of things for all kinds of reasons

1629
2:25:07 --> 2:25:13
that doesn't mean that what she's saying isn't true i mean that's that's that's always the thing

1630
2:25:13 --> 2:25:19
to bear in mind perhaps probably it is and she was prime minister for three weeks but she was

1631
2:25:19 --> 2:25:27
also foreign secretary and she had other cabinet positions and we're talking about somebody who

1632
2:25:27 --> 2:25:33
was at the heart of government for quite a long time and of course she did go to oxford and she

1633
2:25:33 --> 2:25:40
did go to oxford absolutely yes so alexander um i don't want to uh kind of um you you've been

1634
2:25:40 --> 2:25:45
very good to give us two and a half hours of your time very generous and we're very grateful to you

1635
2:25:45 --> 2:25:50
but i think you know we don't want to overstay our welcome by questioning you until you drop

1636
2:25:53 --> 2:26:01
so we'll let you um go i don't know where charles is he's gone off and maybe having a sleep um um

1637
2:26:01 --> 2:26:09
um in australia i mean um yeah so um thank you so much for coming to speak to me my thanks to you

1638
2:26:09 --> 2:26:15
and i thank you for listening to me for two and a half hours and um let's i i'd be delighted to

1639
2:26:15 --> 2:26:21
come again if i could just say yes well i think you're very insightful you know i i did think

1640
2:26:21 --> 2:26:28
you were really good last time but i i think you're exceptional today um and i don't remember

1641
2:26:29 --> 2:26:35
thinking that's this isn't an insult by the way i just think it sometimes the meeting gets going

1642
2:26:35 --> 2:26:42
you know because of various nobody knows why and um maybe it didn't get going quite as well as

1643
2:26:42 --> 2:26:48
today but i think you've been so insightful beginning with the lecture on the law and

1644
2:26:49 --> 2:26:55
you know you worked in as a barrister in the royal course of justice is that right absolutely

1645
2:26:55 --> 2:26:59
absolutely yes so you know a bit about the law i know the law very well i used to well i haven't

1646
2:26:59 --> 2:27:05
been involved in it directly for some time now but absolutely one time i knew i knew the way the

1647
2:27:05 --> 2:27:11
system worked the machine i was inside the heart of the machine and i saw it work and i saw it how

1648
2:27:11 --> 2:27:17
it works so there it is so thank you so much for coming to speak to us alexander i think you know

1649
2:27:17 --> 2:27:25
um i've just done my best with this group it's um i didn't realize what you know i i didn't really

1650
2:27:25 --> 2:27:32
value it to begin with um um and i didn't understand the importance but but yeah well it's a

1651
2:27:32 --> 2:27:38
the group is a great achievement in itself and to repeat again what i said earlier in the program

1652
2:27:38 --> 2:27:45
groups like this this group is making a difference of that i have absolutely no doubt

1653
2:27:45 --> 2:27:53
so we should have some hope oh absolutely no question yeah so we've tried to be tenacious

1654
2:27:53 --> 2:28:00
and carry on you know um until um we run out of guests and we don't seem to run out of guests so

1655
2:28:00 --> 2:28:07
we've got some just so you know we've got some meredith miller um a week from now i think it is

1656
2:28:07 --> 2:28:14
um who's an expert on psychological torture and um stockholm syndrome which i mentioned earlier

1657
2:28:15 --> 2:28:22
and so she can talk about the whole covid narrative and how you know i think from personal

1658
2:28:22 --> 2:28:30
experience she um uh she has an authenticity she's very very bright she's got insights that

1659
2:28:30 --> 2:28:36
only someone who has suffered uh could have i think that's fair to say and i think she would

1660
2:28:36 --> 2:28:43
agree with that i will look out and maybe i will try and join in though i may not be able to for

1661
2:28:43 --> 2:28:51
very long and then we've got um we've got a german guy um german professor i think is a pathologist

1662
2:28:51 --> 2:28:59
who's who um was working with arnold burkhardt uh the only problem is we need a a german um

1663
2:28:59 --> 2:29:04
interpreter so if you can think of someone who could do a kind of a good enough job you know

1664
2:29:04 --> 2:29:11
it doesn't have to be absolutely perfect um and i think i saw somebody putting up his hand

1665
2:29:11 --> 2:29:15
oh zario zario could you do it can you speak german and english you guess you can can't you

1666
2:29:15 --> 2:29:22
of course he can of course he can oh so zario will you do it then eleclander do you follow

1667
2:29:22 --> 2:29:28
but do you follow candace owens yeah absolutely of course i do i was part of my work i have to

1668
2:29:29 --> 2:29:34
absolutely yeah so we've got secret back to coming to speak to us as well because i asked him whether

1669
2:29:34 --> 2:29:41
he knew anybody who could um translate the german from this professor who i think is you know it's

1670
2:29:41 --> 2:29:46
the first time he's spoken to the english-speaking world and so that's important but we've also got

1671
2:29:46 --> 2:29:53
um oh i can't remember we've got some really good guests before christmas right okay well i will look

1672
2:29:53 --> 2:30:00
out and if i can join i will very good you'll get all the you'll get all the invitations i think

1673
2:30:01 --> 2:30:06
you'll get all the invitations i think i i get i get all the all the all the invitations all the

1674
2:30:06 --> 2:30:11
time and i read them all the time i obviously sorry that you get no no no no no please don't

1675
2:30:11 --> 2:30:17
apologize i i'm always thinking about this group and i'm very happy very delighted to be invited

1676
2:30:17 --> 2:30:24
again it's just that the raw demands of my time as i said i have my work and i have my family which

1677
2:30:24 --> 2:30:28
obviously is very important to me anyway you should feel encouraged i think you have

1678
2:30:28 --> 2:30:33
wonderful insights and you're very eloquent you're much more eloquent than i am

1679
2:30:33 --> 2:30:37
oh you'll have to give me lessons well

1680
2:30:39 --> 2:30:46
oh did you want to speak sir as ariel i just wanted to remind you um also that on the very

1681
2:30:46 --> 2:30:51
next day there was also after the nord stream bombing there was also radoslav zikorsky who

1682
2:30:52 --> 2:31:01
texted to the well done united states or thank you usa oh absolutely so so and on the very next day

1683
2:31:01 --> 2:31:08
the pipeline which only delivered about 11 percent of the nord stream from norway to poland went

1684
2:31:08 --> 2:31:14
online this is something that is not spoken about very often say this again zario on the very next

1685
2:31:14 --> 2:31:23
day after nord stream was bombed the norsk pole stream pipeline went online from norway to poland

1686
2:31:24 --> 2:31:29
it only has 11 capacity of what nord stream had but it still it went online

1687
2:31:30 --> 2:31:34
wow just seeing i i so what can we conclude from that

1688
2:31:34 --> 2:31:39
um

1689
2:31:45 --> 2:31:54
very good so zario can you um can you help with the with the uh translation of actually very best

1690
2:31:54 --> 2:32:02
yeah so it just needs to be someone who will do his or her best um so we don't mind but but

1691
2:32:02 --> 2:32:06
zario you'll be perfect you have a very very good knowledge of english and german yes

1692
2:32:08 --> 2:32:13
german has become my mother tongue now actually almost the only problem is that there may be some

1693
2:32:13 --> 2:32:19
medical terms and you're not familiar with this guy's work but but even so i think you'll be fine

1694
2:32:19 --> 2:32:25
you know you'll make him feel at home and maybe we know the the terminology even in german you know

1695
2:32:25 --> 2:32:31
we'll recognize it and i can i'll look it up on online while we're speaking in case just in case

1696
2:32:32 --> 2:32:39
um do you know michael yohn by the way alexander i think i i i've come across the name i don't know

1697
2:32:39 --> 2:32:48
yeah so he presented to us um uh the other day and he was amazing he he's lived in 99 countries

1698
2:32:48 --> 2:32:55
lived and worked in 99 countries he's a war correspondent and he's a former green berry as

1699
2:32:55 --> 2:33:01
well so he he knew about combat but he knew about reporting on wars as well oh wow okay gosh

1700
2:33:02 --> 2:33:06
right may amazing he's in taiwan and he knows all about the chinese communist party

1701
2:33:07 --> 2:33:15
china japan his wife is japanese and he is in he was in taiwan when he spoke to us yeah yes

1702
2:33:17 --> 2:33:23
anyway well thank you again for having me on and as i said uh bearing with me i suppose for two

1703
2:33:23 --> 2:33:27
and a half hours but i will be delighted to come again and i will certainly look up with these

1704
2:33:27 --> 2:33:33
programs thank you oh just i have a real quick question if you don't mind of course please

1705
2:33:33 --> 2:33:39
alexander by any chance hi my name is daria um by any chance do you have a sub stack channel yes we

1706
2:33:39 --> 2:33:45
do sub stack that you ran on sub stack you can go there you can find it i even write it i've even

1707
2:33:45 --> 2:33:52
switched it's been up very recently but we do i have been writing a few articles there okay yeah

1708
2:33:52 --> 2:33:58
because i was gonna say michael yawn that steven just mentioned y-o-n he has why his subs

1709
2:33:58 --> 2:34:04
steps well right okay yes so you might find it interesting to look at absolutely i have one too

1710
2:34:04 --> 2:34:11
but it's really silly and alexander we haven't even asked you about what you think about trump

1711
2:34:13 --> 2:34:18
sorry i said we haven't even asked you what we what you think about trump

1712
2:34:18 --> 2:34:27
can you in one line say what you think about trump a a a flawed but very interesting man

1713
2:34:27 --> 2:34:35
with heroics or with heroic qualities i agree with you yes and a wonderful ability to connect

1714
2:34:35 --> 2:34:43
with other human beings absolutely yes that's and he understands um he understands betrayal

1715
2:34:44 --> 2:34:50
and loyalty absolutely a man who destroys democracy i don't see that i don't see that

1716
2:34:50 --> 2:34:57
i don't see him as a good man okay anyway alexander thank you so much for thank you

1717
2:34:58 --> 2:35:01
thank you thank you steven yes have a good day bye bye

1718
2:35:04 --> 2:35:06
so steven