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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International. In today's discussion,
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this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost. Over three years ago, with the desire to pursue
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truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health, Stephen has stood up against government and
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power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology.
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I remember, we remember at this time, Rainer Fulmick, who is undergoing a show trial in
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Germany, day 29 of his trial of a corrupt German legal system and a corrupt German government.
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And a petition has now started circulating. So all of you, please, if someone could put the link
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to the petition into the chat, please sign that petition. And those of you watching this recording,
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let's put pressure on this government's another Julian Assange example that without pressure,
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Rainer will wallow in jail for a long time. His mother died last week and he was not allowed to
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see his mother before she died. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group. I'm Australasia's
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passion provocateur and we love passionate people in these meetings. I practiced law for 20 years
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before changing career 31 years ago. And over the last 14 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to
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strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an
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industrial hemp company. And our guest today, Curtis Cost, has also been helping people to
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reduce damage from vaccines and from bad medical advice. We comprise lots of medical, we're lots
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of professionals here and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were
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okay. Now, many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers. And I'm certainly amongst
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those. And Curtis, I assume you're a passionate anti-vaxxer as well. If this is your first time
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here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish
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a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio, a TV show or sub stack, put the links into the chat
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so we can follow you, promote you and find you. Most of us understand we're in the middle of World
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War III and that the medical science battle is only one of 12 battle fronts of this latest World War.
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I say it's no time to be tired. We're some four years into a seven year war. That's my assessment.
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Some of you will say it's shorter, longer. So look after your health, be healthy and be up for the
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fight. Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never settled.
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And on the issue of vaccines, I refer you, if you haven't been reminded of the latest article by Dr.
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Stanley Plotkin, the alleged godfather of children's vaccines, admitting that no vaccine has ever been
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properly tested for safety or efficacy ever in the history of medicine. This meeting runs for
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two and a half hours after which for those with the time, Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting.
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Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join because you've got the time.
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We'll listen to Curtis Cost, our guest presenter for as long as Curtis wishes to speak. And then
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we have Q&A. Stephen Frost, by long established tradition, asks the first questions for 15 minutes.
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This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. Free speech is
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crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. And even this morning,
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I got an email from the Babylon Bee to which I'm a subscriber, unpacking the censorship that has
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been exercised by Facebook against the Babylon Bee, against humour, against comedy. The censorship
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is alive and well. We have to push back against it. If you're offended by anything, be offended.
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We are lovingly not interested. We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say
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anything that may offend another. We also reject the triggering industry. Don't you dare say
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anything that may trigger someone. Indeed, in Australia just two days ago, an Asian bloke
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tipped hot coffee over a nine-month-old baby. The police came out with the announcement,
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we're looking for a bloke who is tan. They were scared to say we're looking for an Asian bloke.
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The guy got onto a plane, left the country before the cops got onto him, before anyone could find
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this bloke. This is because of why it might trigger someone that you dare call someone
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who looks Asian, who's just attacked criminally a nine-month-old baby. We come with an attitude
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and perspective of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you and enslaves
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you. Love, on the other hand, expands you and liberates you. These twice-weekly meetings are
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not just talkfests. An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from
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linkages made by attendees in these meetings. For example, Jerry Waters has just thanked Stephen
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Frost for introducing him to Sukhari Bhakdi. That's what happens in these meetings. One
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conversation here has enormous implications, can have enormous implications.
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If you have a solution or product or links or resources that will help people put the
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details into the chat, the meeting is recorded, is uploaded on the Rumble channel.
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Now welcome to our guest presenter Curtis Cost. We thank you so much Curtis for coming on the
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third time to share your time and wisdom and insights. For the purpose of the recording,
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I will go through your background. Curtis Cost holds a BA from Vassar College as well as an MBA
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from Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern Uni. He's the author of the book Vaccines Are
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Dangerous, a Warning to the Global Community. So please get hold of that book. I'll give you the
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link to that. Curtis, if you can put that link into the chat while I'm reading this bio.
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The first edition of this book was published in 1991. You were a very early intelligent
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adopter. The second edition was published in 2010 and it was in 2009 that I first,
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sorry 2011, that brought to my attention about the incredible dangers of children's vaccines.
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For over 30 years, Curtis has been warning the public about the dangers and ineffectiveness
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of vaccines. Curtis has been interviewed on national and local television and radio programs
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including Tony Brown's Journal, The Gary Bird Show, The Gary Null Show and many others. He's
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been interviewed by New York Times, Village Voice, Ebony Magazine, The Amsterdam News, The Final Call.
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He is also a journalist for several publications and most recently he's a writer on Substack.
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CurtisCost.Substack.com to which I've been a subscriber for a long time. Curtis has also
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organized community forums on topics such as vaccines, AIDS, defending parental rights,
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the Harlem Vaccine Forum, the COVID Vaccine on Trial, COVID Crisis, National Town Hall Forum,
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among others. Curtis is also one of the producers of the film Medical Racism, The New Apartheid.
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He has become very active in opposing the creation of quarantine camps in New York State.
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He sees quarantine camps as a threat not only to New York but also the rest of America.
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He has been active in organizing forums, rallies and other events against bad New York State bills
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that impact the medical freedoms of New Yorkers and ultimately the country. His website is
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vaccinesdangerous.blogspot.com. His latest interview on Children's Health Defense
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will put into the chat. There's a rally coming up in Harlem on 19 September. We'll put the link
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into that Children's Health Defense interview. So midday on 19 September New York.
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And that's the intro. And the other thing I want to say was thank you Stephen Frost again
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for creating this group and for organizing Curtis to be here. I think Shasta as well. Thank you
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for your bits for helping on that. And Curtis, welcome. And I think we're going to play a movie,
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but say hello first and then I can play your interview that you want to play.
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Sure. I just want to thank you for having me on here and it's a real honor. And hopefully we'll
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learn some new things today. Excellent. All right. So Curtis wants to play a vexed interview with
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Holly. So Stephen, you only quickly want to say because this is an excellent interview. I've
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watched it. It goes for 50 minutes, but it really sets the scene beautifully. So Stephen,
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you want to say anything before I play the video? No, apart from saying thank you to Curtis for
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coming on. Thank you, Curtis. My pleasure. Thank you. Here we go.
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Just waiting for a computer to chug along.
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All right, Curtis, can you see you on the screen? Say it again. What? Yeah, you can start. Feel free.
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Curtis Cost, and I'm honored to be here with Polly Tomey, which was self-defense,
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and Dr. Brian Hooker. And we're going to be talking today about their new film coming out,
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Vax 3, which has a release date of September 18th and it's going to be aired in a hundred different
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theaters across the country. And it's a dynamic film of what I know about it so far. And I just
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have to do one thing before we get into the introductions and everything else and the content.
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I just want to say that Dr. Hooker and Polly, you are my heroes. I mean, you've had impact on me in
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ways that I know you don't even realize. But I'll say that Polly, I can't see your image. Are you on?
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really profoundly impacted me. For many years, you know, I wrote a book called Vaccines are
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Dangerous. It first came out in 1991. And over the years, I've met lots of parents who come up and hug
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me and thank me because they read my book, or saw me on some show, and they decided not to vaccinate
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their kids. And every single one has the exact same story, that their kids were perfectly fine
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and they were just elated. But they also said that all the neighbors' kids who got vaccinated
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had all kinds of health problems, autism, ADHD, and so forth. Well, in your film, Vax 2,
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you know, the first half was focused in on the kids who were vaccinated and how horrible and
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traumatic that was. But then you focused on the kids who were not vaccinated. And in all these
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stories of these healthy kids who really got sick, and it really affected me because I was not doing
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any type of documentary or statistical analysis. I just kept hearing these stories. And here you
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were on screen revealing exactly what I had been seeing for many years, decades. And so I just want
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to commend you for that. And I'm equally excited about the new film. And I'll tell you why later.
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But anyway, I know most people always know who you are. But Polly, can you start off,
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just give us a brief description of your background? Yeah, so I'm Polly Tommy. I have
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three children. They're all vaccinated to varying degrees because I still didn't get it even when I
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hurt Bill. I still went on and vaccinated the third one because who wants polio, right? So I would say
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I was a strong pro-vaxxer, did as I was told, mother. So when Billy got the MMR that morning,
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and subsequently had a seizure, I was in hospital. In fact, the doctors told us it wasn't a side effect
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of the MMR and he'd be fine. Well, he never really woke up from that injury. And once we started
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really properly looking into it, we knew we had to shout out and warn the other parents because
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Billy's injury was very, very, very severe. We were told he would never live with purpose,
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never speak, have problems walking. He was an extremely sick child and it nearly broke us as a
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family. It was so hard to deal with that we started to speak out. So that's my main who I am is I'm
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the mother of Billy, Bello and Toby. And I will say that I do have a grandson and a granddaughter
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now with never had no vaccinations. I feel like a long last we've turned the corner and put it
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right for the future. And there's nothing more that makes me more proud than to see these two
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children growing up. And I'm the director of Children's Health Defense, CHDTV, which I'm very
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proud of. We go out every morning at 10 o'clock Eastern, seven days a week. So yeah, very exciting
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work working for Children's Health Defense. Fantastic. Thank you. Dr. Hooker?
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Yeah, I am also the father of a vaccine injured child. My son Steve was injured by his 15 month
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vaccines and I started out, you know, very, very pro vax. I don't consider myself really an
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anti-vaxxer but more of an ex-vaxxer. I wished I would have been an anti-vaxxer from the very,
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very beginning. And Curtis, I wish I would have had your book in 1991 when it came out because
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my son was born in 1998. But I also have a PhD in biochemical engineering that I received back in
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1990 from Washington State University. And, you know, when my son's injury started, then a lot of
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my research that I started to devote to understanding vaccine adverse events and vaccine injury. And I
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have been doing research essentially since 2001. Also investigating sort of the fraud and
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malfeasance that has gone on, particularly at the Centers for Disease Control, starting out with the
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role of vaccines and autism because my son Steven, like Billy, has autism, is non-verbal, he's very
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profoundly affected, he's very, very medically fragile even to this day when he's 26 years old.
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I started at Children's Health Defense. I actually joined the board of directors in 2018 and I
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started as an employee as their chief scientific officer in 2021. I've been doing that and
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absolutely loving it. So, you know, get to work with wonderful, passionate people like Polly Tommy
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at CHDTV and we're just so blessed to be able to do what we do every day, Curtis.
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Fantastic. And that's very gratifying when you're doing something, you know, you're helping other
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people. Let's talk a little bit about the Vax 3. I'm really excited about this film for a
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number of reasons. But can you show us how you guys went about collecting the information
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that you did? I already know pretty much, but everybody may not be familiar. So how did you go
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about putting this documentary together? Then if you can lead into that in terms of what you've
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uncovered from that process, that's really the meat of this. Okay, whoever would like to start
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first, feel free. Go ahead, Polly.
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Well, I think it's important. So basically, during COVID, we've referred so many lies and
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none of it seemed to make any sense at all to us. You know, we've been told the pandemic of the
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unvaccinated, the unvaccinated filling up the hospitals. We knew that there were injuries and
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we tried to warn at Children's Health Defence that these COVID shots would be dangerous. We could see
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that from the start and I'll let Brian talk about that in a minute. But it seemed very obvious to
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us to find out the truth, like we did on the last bus, that we needed to get a Children's Health
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Defence bus and get out on the road and talk to the parents and see what they went through
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during COVID. And so that's what we did. We got a bus together and we've got a very young team.
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We did that on purpose so that we could educate them. And nothing, I would say, prepared us at all
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for what we discovered. Brian, do you want to talk about something like you talk about that so well?
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Well, before you go, can I for a second? How long were you on the road? And what parts of the country
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did you travel through? Oh, yeah, I can't remember now. We were on the road for nine months, but we
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weren't solidly on the road for nine months. So we'd fly in for 10 days. And because it was very
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stressful on the bus team, I've kind of had been through it before, so I knew it was going to be
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stressful for me. But we had very young members on there. One was actually pregnant and the bus
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driver as well. And the team just needed to have that mental break from the story. So we didn't go
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out for the full month. But yeah, it was nine months and we were going to go for the whole year.
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But the stories were so alarming, what we were uncovering, that we decided to stop the bus,
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come back, make a movie and get this out as soon as possible. Because we knew if we kept going,
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we were just going to hear hundreds and hundreds more of these same stories,
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and which we are still collecting still, but virtually rather than on the bus.
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Was there a particular region you focused in or what did go across the country?
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at the end. But yeah, we went right up to New York, right then to Florida, then right over to
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California. So we sped around as quickly as we could. And it wasn't cheap. I mean, gas and all
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the rest of it and that big monster machine that we were driving, it was expensive. But the people
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carried us like they did last time. They paid for our gas, they bought our food, they were superb,
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the people on the road. Wow, wow. Excellent. Dr. Hooker?
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Yes. It was an amazing experience. And I was really glad I got to spend about five days on
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the bus and in two separate trips, both in New England and then in Florida. And just listening
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to these stories, it was absolutely excruciating that Polly and her crew on the bus had listened
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to these stories for nine months. And we expected the COVID-19 vaccine injury stories. And I knew
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that the COVID-19 vaccine was really a gene therapy. And it was something foisted on society
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that nobody had ever really seen before. And all for money and profit because the technology was
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on patent. And it was a blockbuster. It made over $150 billion in sales for Pfizer and Moderna.
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So we expected to hear these stories. But one of the most difficult things was the hospital
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protocol stories and individuals that had to be hospitalized or couldn't avoid hospitalization
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during that time. And primarily, we heard in this instance from the unvaccinated and the protocols
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that they faced in the name of really money and finance was that they were brought into the
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hospital. Regardless of what they were brought into the hospital for, they repeatedly tested for
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COVID until they tested positive for COVID. And then they were put on patented drugs like Remdesivir
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which really is a repurposed drug from a failed Ebola trial. And the failed Ebola trial, it killed
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half of the participants. And so this was a drug that would shut down your organs in a matter of
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days. And then people were put on ventilators and they were put on ventilators, mechanical ventilation
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inappropriately. They were put into ICU. And with every step, there was more reimbursement for the
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hospital. And then ultimately, there were so many stories of hospital protocol deaths.
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Dr. Michael B. Dixon, M.D. I've heard a lot of hospital horror stories. And I'd like to hear
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what you heard because myself and others during that whole period with COVID were hearing
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terrible, terrible, horrific stories of abuse in the hospitals. But I want to hear what you have
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to say. So I want to start with Polly. What are some of the specific things that you were hearing
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from people about the protocols being given and the targeting from what you're telling me
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of the unvaccinated? Polly M. Dixon, M.D. Yeah. So it became obvious very early on because the first
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question I asked them as they sit down on the bus is, did you take the COVID-19 shot? And they were
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like, no, no, no. And I was thinking, this is really bizarre. And so when the vaccine injured
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that did take the shot came in and they did also go to hospital because they had myocarditis or
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whatever it is that was wrong with them from taking the shot, they didn't get treated the same way as
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the unvaccinated. So very quickly, and even to this day, as I'm still doing these stories daily,
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the first thing I say is, did you take the COVID shot? And my heart just like
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goes, jumps because I know what they're going to say. No, every single time. And then once they
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were found out that they had not taken the COVID shot, so classed as unvaccinated, they got this
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awful level of abuse from the medical staff to a degree that is just difficult to comprehend.
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They had the food taken away from them. They were starving, hungry. They were not allowed any water.
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Again, I'm not a doctor, but whenever my kids or anyone are sick, the first thing I do is hydrate
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them. So they were taken away. They're nothing. They were begging for little ice chips just to
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give them something. But no, absolutely nothing. Their phones were taken away from them. When they
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were trying to resist or trying to go home, they were given paralytic drugs, a cocktail of drugs I
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can't even pronounce. But you can see them on the death medical records. You can see all of the drugs
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they were given and how much they were paid for each drug that was given. And this amounts to a
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lot of money, around half a million plus for each patient that died on the ventilator. Big money for
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those hospitals. And the people who talk to us, they use the word murder. They would come on the
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bus and say, my mom was murdered. My son was murdered. So you can see the pain in them. I mean,
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Brian, you saw it as well. It's horrific. It's absolutely horrific. And that's one of the reasons
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why the subtitle of the movie is Authorized to Kill. And that was one of the things that we didn't
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really expect to see were these death protocols. And I can verify that standard orders for patients
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if they were unvaccinated were different than standard orders for vaccinated patients. Standard
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ordered for unvaccinated patients were more aggressive treatment protocols. And I believe
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that in some instances, it's hard to say that these were death protocols. They were protocols
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not designed to save life, but to make a lot of money for hospital administrators, to make a lot
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of money for Gilead Sciences, who was the producer and the patent holder from Remdesivir for the
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National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Disease, who was collaborating with Gilead Sciences
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in Moderna and got revenues directly from these death protocols. And so it's really, really
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insidious. I mean, you see the backside of it where people are profiteering off of these stories of
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misery and then people not able to see their loved ones die.
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Oh, man. I tell you, I give presentations to a lot of different groups, including
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the Hasidic community. And some of the stories they told me were horrifying, but, you know,
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it's hard to know how much you should believe. I'll tell you just one real fast. There's a story
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that they're told of a man who was Jewish who managed to crawl to the bathroom in the hospital
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and drink water from the toilet. And that's how he had enough energy to escape from the hospital.
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I mean, there's a story of a Hasidic Jewish man who was in the hospital. And he eventually died.
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And they found a note on his clothes and it was written in Hebrew or whatever. I don't know,
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Yiddish or something. I don't remember what language, but they finally found somebody
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that could read it. And it said essentially that I did not die of natural causes. The hospital
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murdered me. And from what you're telling me, that you see the same thing, can you give me
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one or two specific stories that really stuck out your mind that each of you may have heard in this
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process? Just one or two, because the actual stories have even greater impact. Well, the one
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story, which is a COVID shot death that really affected me, was this beautiful young lady. She
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was at college and her mother came on the bus to tell her story. And she showed this picture.
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You could see she was this fine, beautiful, young American that had a whole life ahead of her. Now,
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the reason why the story affected me is that this daughter was completely unvaccinated. Her mother
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was part of our movement and she listened to children's health events and all of you. And
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this girl was just so super healthy. But the girl called her mother up at college and said,
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I can't cope anymore. I have to take the COVID shot because my friends don't want anything to
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do with me. I can't go to any of the concerts. I'm just living this life that's awful for me.
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So she took the COVID shot and then had searing pain. Her whole back was on fire. She was in so
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much pain. So she went to the doctor and the doctor prescribed her fentanyl and all kinds of crazy
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stuff, which subsequently she died from an overdose of the fentanyl. But the whole story was so tragic
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as the mother was trying to undo the damage from the shot that the girl felt so pressurized in her
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perfectly non-toxic body to take the shot because of peer pressure and eventually dies of a fentanyl
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overdose or whatever that may be. But did you see how it started? It all started with the
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COVID stuff. And so I have pictures on the bus and I look at her every time I go on the bus and I
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just think, we're going to keep going for you. Good name with Rachel. But it really upset me.
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I was just so needless. It didn't mean to be. I tell you, I've come across a lot of people
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in our movement and so often it's a parent that does not want the child to vaccinate,
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wants the child to eat organic. They're the ones that the kids would side with the other parent
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who wants to be vaccinated or they cave into peer pressure at their college. I mean, what is
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happening to cause kids to err on the wrong side? I mean, what-
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It was a calculated campaign really to coerce individuals, to pressure individuals,
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to shame individuals. When the president of the United States comes and says it's the pandemic
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of the unvaccinated and his patients is wearing thin on the unvaccinated. And without the context
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in the story after story of people that have sustained vaccine injury or had family members
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sustained vaccine injury. It's nigh into criminal and now we know that the media and social media
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was manipulated and the message was censored regarding vaccine injury and vaccine adverse
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events. And the tremendous peer pressure, Curtis, during the pandemic, I had people come to me that
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had never had a vaccine and said, oh, well, which vaccine do I get, Brian? I want to travel
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internationally. Which vaccine do I get, Brian? I want to be able to see my grandson.
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So it was really the amount of gas lighting, the amount of peer pressure was really, really insidious
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in this particular instance. And we were made to be the bad guys, the ones that were unvaccinated
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over and over and over again. And even with now the mea culpa, oh, well, it didn't really prevent
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transmission. It didn't really prevent infection. It's still people who are unvaccinated are still
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to this day, four years later, three years later, getting gas lit. Yeah. And then you got Mandy Cohen,
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as you were saying earlier, shrieking out from the CDC, six months and up, pregnant women,
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go and get your COVID shot. I mean, it's just, it's suicide to take a COVID shot with all the
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information we know now. I've listened to a lot of Mandy Cohen's, she's the new director of the CDC,
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Center for Disease Control. And I'm just like shocked, stunned, because the way she talks
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about the COVID shots for babies, six months and older, it's like all the information we've
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accumulated on the dangers of the COVID shot is like she doesn't know about it, or doesn't
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know that she knows about it. It's just like no reference to anything. It's mind boggling. But
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we got something for her. We're going to be having a major rally. I should have put it like that, but
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good job. Could happen to a nicer person. Yeah, we have a major rally coming up September 19th
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in Harlem, in front of Harlem Hospital. And we have doctors and scientists and lawyers and all
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kinds of really top-notch people, several of whom are being flown in to New York. And they're going
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to lay it out why these COVID vaccines are very dangerous, unnecessary. And because of their
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credentials, it'll be hard to ignore what they have to say. So we're working on that. And we
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just had a forum on that last night, which is going to be going out to promote the rally. So
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yeah, I mean, the forces are good. They are at work. I do want to say, the situation I've seen so
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many times, I'll get your thoughts on it, where people say, well, I had to take the vaccine because
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of my job. And I'm like, okay, how do I get through to people? And one thing I found helped
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in a lot of cases was I would say to them, look, if your job said that you had to be injected with
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rat poison, would you do it? And everybody would say no. And then I would say, well, why?
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And their face go blank. I'll tell you why. Because you know how dangerous rat poison is.
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You don't appreciate how dangerous the COVID side is. And then a light bulb will go off in their
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heads. But sometimes you've got to figure out ways to get that light bulb to go off, because they're
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so brainwashed, so hypnotized. It's hard. But I tell you, there was one exception, the first
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exception I've ever seen to me mentioning that rat poison scenario. It happened just like a week
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ago. I was in my dentist's office. And there was this young lady there. And we started chit chatting.
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And she said she was a nurse. And I asked, well, did you take the COVID shot? I wasn't sure she had.
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Well, she was a nursing student. She said, well, yeah, I had to. And I'm on my fifth booster. I'm
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like, oh, God. And I was trying to figure out how to get through to her. And I gave her some
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references to self-defense. But she still was on that kick of the need for the boosters for school.
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I said, look, I said, well, if you took, if they said you had to take rat poison to be in school,
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would you do it? She actually had to pause and think about it. And I'm like, OK, maybe she didn't
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understand. I said, rat poison. Would you be injected with rat poison to stay in school
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or at your job? She actually said to me, well, it depends on how much they're paying me.
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I'm like, I never heard a response like that. I was dumbfounded. I'm like,
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well, Miss, do you understand that if you die, you won't have to worry about paying any bills? I mean,
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I just never seen anybody that far gone. Bob, was it a particular story that you heard when
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you were doing this that really got to you of somebody's injuries to themselves and children
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or whatever? The story that got to me really was the story of, and correct me if I'm wrong,
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I wasn't on the bus for this story, but it's featured in the movie. It was a woman who,
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her husband was a part of the death protocols. He was unvaccinated. And he
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was put on a cocktail of drugs. He may have been in four point restraints. I can't really
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remember if they put him in four point restraints, but these patients, they were put on fentanyl,
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propofol, morphine to make sure that they were sedated so they could not leave the hospital.
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Some of them security would just, you know, again, four point restraints. And this was one
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of those cases. And it turned out that he passed away. She was not present. I believe she might
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have been there right when he died, but she literally, you know, basically violated protocols
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so she could crawl in bed with her husband who had just passed away and just hold him until he
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was no longer warm. And story after story, that was not an isolated incident. When you look at
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all of these stories, all these anecdotes on the bus, that is science. I mean, you add them all up,
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it is statistically significant, and that story becomes science. And that's one of the things
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that I'm so grateful for the bus coming out because it does hasten our efforts. It does
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help us in CHD science to be able to continue to do this work, to continue to look in,
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you know, not only at vaccine injuries, but also, you know, the many, many people that
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were subjected to these death protocols. Can you give us an idea, you mentioned about the
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half million dollars if they died, I guess, COVID deaths. What were some of the other things they're
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being paid for? I know the testing and I think the ventilators. Do you have any idea how much
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each of these things were being done? Somebody who's hospitalized supposedly for COVID,
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how much were they getting paid for each? I used to know some of those numbers, but...
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I can't remember offhand, but we've got all the medical notes, we filmed all the people that
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brought their medical notes for the bus, and we were horrified. I mean, some of the drugs
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we never even heard of, and we were looking some of them up, and there's no place to be given to
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someone with so-called COVID. But ventilators were huge. And then there was all kinds of other
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little things like moving to another room was a charge. Just really bizarre little things.
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It was just pages, pages and pages and pages and pages on these patients.
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I believe ICU admission was over $200,000 reimbursement. So, and just absolutely incredible.
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And then just to get a COVID diagnosis, you know, if you had a patient admitted,
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then you would get a certain amount of money. You know, I think I believe it was like $1,700
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for a patient admitted, but a patient admitted with COVID was over twice that amount. And so,
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you know, that's why people would enter the hospital for some other reason. They would be
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tested and retested using PCR tests, which we know, you know, do not detect live virus.
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And they would be retested until they tested positive and boom, COVID tests, vaccinated,
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unvaccinated, vaccinated, you go here, unvaccinated, you go there, death protocol.
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That was the most shocking bit of everything was the targeting of the unvaccinated. I mean,
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I wanted to call this movie, The Killing of the Unvaccinated, but Mary Holland wouldn't let me.
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Yeah, I probably would have been inclined for the same type of title. Well, I think it's
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interesting when you mentioned the palms with the PCR test. I'm sure you, I know you all know.
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Kerry Mullis, Dr. Kerry Mullis, who invented PCR, he got on TV multiple times, denouncing his
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invention as not being designed to determine if somebody has a viral infection. Here's the guy
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who invented it and won a Nobel Prize and everything else. And it's just really interesting
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that he passed away in 2019, just before this whole COVID thing, because if he was still alive,
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they couldn't have done what they did because he would have been on the airwaves all the time,
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talked, denouncing the PCR test, which is what was the foundation for this whole pandemic. Oh,
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you tested positive and therefore that means you must have COVID. If he was alive, they wouldn't
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have been able to get away with that. It's shocking. But here's a different question.
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Where was all this money coming from to pay for all this? It's just like free for all money grab.
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Where was all this money coming from? And who authorized all these massive sums of money to
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the hospitals? If you have some idea about that. You and Polly and I paid for it out of our tax
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dollars. We paid for that in reimbursement in terms of Medicaid and Medicare for these hospital
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protocols. Those are tax dollars. So we basically were participants in that because they were
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using these government programs, government systems, and then people who pay into, they pay
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their premiums. When they are in Medicare, some people do pay premiums, the same for Medicaid.
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So those dollars then were redistributed to the hospitals. And then if you got on Remdesivir,
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oh my goodness, then that money directly went to the National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious
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Diseases where the head was one Anthony Fauci, whose net worth went from five million prior to
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the pandemic to 13 million after the pandemic. Unbelievable. I believe there was a legislation
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passed called the CARES Act that also helped provide a lot of funding for what they were
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doing to the hospitals. I assume it was the CARES Act. It was the CARES Act. There were so many
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different legislation that on the surface looked like it was intended to protect people, but it
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was turned on its head. It was turned on its head. Same with the PREP Act, which was invoked for COVID
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now for everything else. Do you mind if I just go back to the PCR test for a second? Sure.
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I'll tell you why I feel really passionate about this. First of all, we had PCR test
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injuries that came to the bus and one that we had on Good Morning CHD as well. And they're
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horrific injuries. And secondly, we had James Wigusky on talking about how dangerous, ineffective,
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and dangerous these tests are and how these tests are really the crux of the whole problem.
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Because once they started doing these fake tests and then that became the numbers, didn't it? Then
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people were being admitted to hospital because they'd taken a COVID test and they were having
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a panic attack or whatever it is and they were killed. We need to do more work on this PCR test
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and we need to shout out louder about it. I'm only just uncovering myself at CHDTV the real
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dangers of these tests and the fact that right now as we speak, killing cows across America
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because they PCR test them and they're going for the birds and the animals and whatever it is.
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But we have to stop this PCR test right now because that's what's causing all these so-called
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pandemics. I completely agree. I was a part of the exposing HIV AIDS hoax back in the 90s.
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And one of the things that came out through that research and our movement was the PCR test was
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worthless. And exactly as you said, back then they were telling people, oh you got HIV AIDS and
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people go into a panic. But what also happens when you scare a person to become like little children
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and so they're readily rolling up their sleeves to take AZT, DDI, proteins, inhibitors and they
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use the same and guess who's in charge of that? Anthony Fauci. And they use an exact same script,
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scare the hell out of people and then they'll do whatever you say. When people are scared,
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they turn to little children and don't use their rational capacities to start asking objective
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questions. So yeah, that was traumatic for me back then and I started promoting this information
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all the way back then. So when Anthony Fauci and this started, all of us who were in the
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exposing HIV AIDS hoax movement knew what was going on. We all could see the same scam being
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run again. But here's a different question real quickly is people are raised from time with
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children to put doctors on high pedestals. People equate their doctors to the priest and the rabbi
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and things of that nature and they equate hospitals to the churches and synagogues of that nature.
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And what you uncovered in this film, I mean, shatters that. You're asking people
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who have been brought up on TV, doctors are always smart, they've got the white coats and the gold
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rimmed glasses, they have all the answers, they got all the fancy terms. How does a person cope with
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their whole world being shattered by this reality? How would people deal with it? What would you
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recommend? What are your thoughts? Well, I think it's really encouraging that
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they've been placed on a pedestal and now they're being knocked off.
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And less and less people are trusting the medical establishment with their health. I'd seen some
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statistics metrics drop down below 50% of individuals that really put a high level of
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trust in their practitioners and their medical professionals. And I think Polly and I are really
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examples of what happens when you do that. I remember when my son was very, very little,
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trying to impress our pediatrician by being model patients. And in hindsight, it was all backwards.
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It was absolutely backwards. We were trying to please the white coats, but really they were
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working for us. We were the ones with our wallets out and we were paying for these services. And so
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you know, seeing that paradigm fall and seeing more and more people question, you know, the sort
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of vaccination industrial complex is really, really encouraging to me. You know, if anything,
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any good can come out of this, it is people being skeptical of that profession. And the doctors as
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well, the doctors that have through COVID have come over to our side, so they don't trust their
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own profession. So they've come out to us. I'll tell you something else that was really weird that
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we discovered as well. And I just did a story on this yesterday, another one. So I kind of have this
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question for Brian, if you don't mind, Curtis. Yes, go for it. But so basically, let's take yesterday's
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story. So basically, this person goes into hospital, they test her and she has COVID. They then say,
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right, you're unvaccinated, so you've got a choice. You can either take remdesivir or take the shot,
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the COVID shot. And she took remdesivir and died. But here's the thing that I want to tell you,
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Brian, is how ask you, sorry, how does that scientifically make sense that you have COVID
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and you're in the middle of COVID, and they want to give you a COVID shot to stop you getting COVID?
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Well, I thought natural immunity was going to be better. And so if you have COVID, then why don't
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you wait out COVID with an appropriate remedy done early on, not like some type of late stage
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phony baloney drug that's a poison like remdesivir. But it makes so much more sense just to wait it
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out and get the natural immunity to COVID-19. So what they were doing basically saying was,
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you know, here are your choices, strychnine or arsenic, you know, name your poison. And that's
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not a choice. That is absolutely not a choice. And unfortunately, you know, there were not taught in
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society to say no, none of the above. But they threatened them in hospital, the most awful threats.
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And again, it was like this weird pattern as well that the night before they died, they would get a
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phone call, the loved ones saying, Oh, just so you know, he's doing really well, you sort of come in,
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we think we might have a chance. And it's just this weird pattern. And then the next day, I'm sorry,
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he's doing really, really badly, you better come in, he's on his way out. And then when you look at
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the medical records, you can see that they've given them drugs in the night, and then drugs all
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the way up to the time of death. It's awful. And some some of these people just didn't get to say
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goodbye. They died. These people died alone and in the most barbaric way that I can't believe we
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humans treat each other like that. I cannot. It's shocking to me. My own sister. I tried to warn her,
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as I've tried to warn lots of people. She would not listen to her older sister. I sent her articles
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and videos and CSD and other things. She wouldn't watch it. And her and that part of the family
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would not listen. And I really got frustrated. And I did something I don't normally do.
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I get mad. I said, Look, if you take the COVID shot, you're going to die. And guess what, I was
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hoping that I would shock it enough that she would just say, well, why is he saying that maybe
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she should look at someone that didn't happen. The family turned against me. Will you not put it that
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way? Look, if a building is on fire, I'm supposed to be nice about how I think you got to get the
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hell out of the building. You know, the end result, though, about a year later, my sister died. And
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she was healthy. I hadn't heard of any problems she had had. But she did die. And she first took
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place this past January. First, she had a stroke. And she was okay. I see but she was in the hospital.
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But here's what happened in the hospital. They gave her five brain CAT scans. Now, I know how
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dangerous CAT scans I'm sure all of you know, too. I mean, the major cause of cancer, five of them
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within like 24 hours. And that part of the family, I'm sorry to say this, but it's not like the
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the brightest element in the family tree. And they just sat back, let her get five brain CAT scans.
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Every doctor I talked to that I knew said that's insanity. And why I knew the inevitable was going
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to happen. I flew down there, spend some time with her. But they won't give me any information
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after the fact. They gave her another brain CAT scan and all kinds of drugs. And yet the same
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scenario you just mentioned, Polly, they gave her the impression, okay, well, she's doing better.
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She should be going home the next day. Then all of a sudden, she's dead. I mean, the exact same
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scenario you just described. That's exactly what happened there. Question, I guess maybe either
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one of them, but maybe more of a Brian Hooker question. What exactly is COVID? When they say
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you have COVID, what the heck does that mean? And why do I say that? I took the time to go to the
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CDC website, and I looked up the symptoms of colds, flus, pneumonia, and COVID. All the things
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listed under COVID fall under usually two or more of those other categories. So I'm like, what?
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It's not like your head turns purple and another limb starts to grow out of your body. It's common
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symptoms for colds, flu, and pneumonia. So everybody throws around the term, oh, I got COVID.
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What does that mean? How is that different with COVID? So could you maybe clarify what does it
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mean to have COVID that's different from these common illnesses? Well, COVID is in a class of
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viruses called coronaviruses. Coronaviruses cause colds. They cause colds. There are other viruses
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that cause colds, like rhinoviruses will cause colds. There are denoviruses that cause colds.
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But coronavirus is just the designation is because it's made up of what's called single
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stranded RNA. And so in that particular configuration of single stranded RNA,
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ribonucleic acid, then it's designated a coronavirus. Now, this undoubtedly
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came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And so it was manipulated. And I believe that it was
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manipulated to be more virulent and cause more damage. And one of the things I don't understand
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is that usually a coronavirus like that, that particular virus, if it's released into society,
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which either intentionally or accidentally, it's all elementary now, but when it's released into
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society, usually it mutates itself out of existence very, very quickly. So there's something really
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unique about this one, Curtis, because why is it withstanding four years of circulating in these
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different strains, different subtypes. Now we're on KP2 and KP3, and we're just exhausting the
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alphabet soup. It does not make sense that a single stranded RNA virus like that would persist
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in society this long. Usually it mutates itself out of existence. So but in terms of the symptoms,
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is there any real difference between colds, flus, pneumonia, and COVID? No, no, there's not. There's
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not really a difference. I mean, you know, I had COVID twice. I did on the first on Omicron. I
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experienced a lot of fatigue, but really, it was like having severe cold or, you know, some type
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of upper respiratory infection. I guess you forget what I think her name is, Christine Macy,
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are you familiar with her? No, not really. Okay. She has a degree in biology and statistics.
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And yeah, okay. Yeah, you remember who she is. And she did this Freedom from Information Act
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request to I think over 200 medical institutions, hospitals, universities, and things. And she
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requested proof of someone who's isolated COVID virus, I mean, who has samples. And of the over
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200, none of them could produce any samples of it. And they couldn't direct her either to any
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institution that has samples of the COVID-19 virus. I don't understand this. That's confusing
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to me. Can you maybe clarify how that's possible? Well, the virus itself was sequenced in bits and
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pieces. There is, you know, if you look at, you know, the consensus sequence of, you know, Wuhan
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1 of COVID. And that was in, you know, presumably the first patient, you can look that up and get
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the sequence information, you know, all the alphabet that corresponds to the nucleotides,
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you can get that. But I think that's really interesting. It's an interesting observation,
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because I really feel like COVID was such a moving target, we'd always hear about all of these
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mutations that would happen that would make it more transmissible, more virulent, more this and
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that and the other. And so it belies the fact that I think that there was something more nefarious
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going on than just a single leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. I think that there were
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many different versions of COVID. And one of the reasons why you couldn't find consistent sequence
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information is because that it wasn't just one virus. Yeah, and sequencing is one issue.
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Some say that's COVID only exists, the core of only existing in the computer. Can they actually
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extract the COVID virus from somebody's bodily fluids, and go through the process of isolating
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and purifying it, and then proving that it's the cause of XYZ? Have they done that? Does anybody
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have samples of that? I mean, has that been done? It's not really effectively been done. It's,
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it's, you know, what you're calling, what you were you talking about in microbiology is called
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Koch's postulates, where you say, you know, this agent infected this person, and it created this
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amount of symptoms, we can then recover that agent from their body, and we can pass it on to another
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patient and see the same symptomology. And I don't think that's really ever effectively been done for
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COVID, or for any of the variants of COVID. To say, you know, again, I'm not doubting that it's a
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virus. I, you know, I looking at the epidemiology, looking at the spread, I just think that there's
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something more nefarious going on, Curtis. Okay, thank you. Last question that I have,
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what could be done? I mean, personally, based on everything that I've heard from from you, both of
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you, and what I've uncovered through, I was researching over a period of time, these are
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criminals committing murder, and they're betraying the trust of their patients. And that's like among
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of the worst possible crimes, people come to you for help, you're supposed to be there for help,
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they charge all kinds of money, and then you're going to put them through protocols that will end
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up in their deaths. I mean, personally, and many other people that I talked to who fully understands
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this, I think these people should be charged with murder. I mean, the doctors, the board of directors,
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I know it's a big thing leap to do, but why, why, is there any reason why they should not be charged
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with murder? And put up on the witness stand, what, and what can be done? What can be done
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to make sure this doesn't happen? And there's justice for all these people who lost their lives
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needlessly because of some agenda to promote COVID. Well, people's stories are powerful.
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And I encourage more, one of the things I appreciate about CHDTV is that they're continuing
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to collect these stories, and to collect this information and people that are watching this
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webcast right now, your story is powerful. And so you need to tell that story to people that will
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make a difference. You need to entreat your legislatures, legislators, we've got people
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running around who were pulling the strings in this pandemic, like Francis Collins, calling for
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amnesty, amnesty. Because you know why he's calling for amnesty? Because he knew that he did wrong big
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time. And he knows that he did evil big time. And so, I do think that we need to call for a Nuremberg
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2 that, you know, the select subcommittee on the COVID response in the House of Representatives
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is really too little too late. And you know, so I would say light a fire under your representatives,
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take your story into them. And especially these death protocol stories, there need to be murder
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charges that are filed. Excellent. Polly, you want to comment on that? Yeah, I do. So Brian's right,
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telling your story, everyone has a story, by the way, whether you're vaccinated and or not
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vaccinated, whether you went to hospital or you did not, all of your stories are really important.
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It's like we want to hear from you all. How did you get through COVID? That part's in the film as
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well. But the main thing is, yeah, contact us at Children's Health Offense, because I will do your
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story on our morning show. Because on our website, we have our own Children's Health Offense VAERS.
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So basically, it says Billy's number 22, MMR, injury. And so we're going to start collecting
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and keep those numbers coming in of your stories and whether it's a vaccine, it could be a PCR test,
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it could be anything, masks, we've had mask inhalation problems with the children,
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the list goes on. But the main thing is that the dark side, as I call them, they don't want us to
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speak out. They want to frighten you so much that you will not come and tell me your story or Curtis
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or Brian or anybody else. And if you're in the medical professional, you need you need to speak
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out. It's vitally important we hear from you as well. We heard from a lot of them on the road.
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But you are in a position to really change things. Because once we all speak out, I think it's game
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over. And then when we say no, we're not going to do your PCR test, no matter what cost it's going
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to take. So that means don't settle. You don't need to get on that plane to go and see someone.
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Because if you take the shot, you could die like Curtis says earlier. These are really serious
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warnings from the people to you, the people, you need to listen to the people who have been through
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it. We're not sitting here, Brian and I talking to Curtis, because it's fun. We're sitting here
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because we don't want anybody ever to get hurt like our boys did. And whatever that's going to
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take for you all to understand that. And I know a lot of people are living in despair because they've
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broken up with their families over COVID. I mean, my mother took the AstraZeneca shot. She now has
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a rare form of blood cancer and is on chemo. I mean, we can't make it up. And a lot of other
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people listening will be in the same situation like Curtis with his sister. But we have to just
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keep going. If people won't listen to you, move on and find someone who will. But speaking up,
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speaking out and being totally unafraid is the way to win this. Fantastic. Can you tell people
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where they could find out, they could watch the film on the 18th, is it on your website or something?
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You can give that out. Okay. So if you go to vaxt3.org, all the information is on there,
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including if you're having trouble finding a theater near you, contacting Isabella.jon
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at Children'sHealthDefense.org. She will help you. And there's Good Morning CHD email on CHD.tv.
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Contact us if you have a story and we will put it out on our morning show. So we're going to keep
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going until everyone's had their say. And I'm grateful to Children's Health Defense for even
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giving us a platform to do this because where the world is right now, the censorship is horrific.
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I mean, I cannot begin to thank you enough for this because I knew it, a lot of other people,
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we talk about it ourselves, we'll share some information about this. You're making this a
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national issue. And I'm just like, I'm stunned. I'm in awe of you. I mean, look at me, Polly and
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Brian. I'm in awe that you have the courage to put this out on a massive scale, which is so needed.
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So thank you very much. I guess we're very wrap-up people. Is there any closing comments you'd like
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to make? But I just want to thank you very much for being here. Any closing comments or anything
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else you want to say before? Thank you so much, Curtis. It's always wonderful to see you and
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it's a delight to be on your webcast. I'd see the movie. I really can't say anything
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more emphatically. See the movie. If you need to be incited to action,
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that is a way to do it. It is very, very powerful. The stories are very, very powerful.
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It's very, very gripping and then exposes the real dark truth regarding COVID-19. So go to
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vacstree.org, look up the showing that's in your area and make sure that you see that movie.
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And also just to say one more thing, actually. So that's the 18th. On the 19th of September,
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Children's Health events will be making an announcement about the film for everybody to
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see. So chd.tv at 10 Eastern, tune in and find out what that announcement is. But we just want
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to get the 18th over and then we'll make the big announcements. Fantastic. Thank you very much and
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have a nice day. It's been fabulous. Thanks Curtis. Take care. Bye bye.
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Well done, Curtis. Now, good job and really articulates well the journey that we've all
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gone through. You know, it's good to, you know, I know that but the order in which stuff happened
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was just excellent to have that reminder now, you know, four years down the track. As you know,
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Stephen has the first 15 minutes before Stephen starts to give him a moment to gather his,
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which other people will put their hand up in due course. Curtis, as a former lawyer and a legal
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strategist, I have done many presentations on the liabilities of doctors. And it is still my
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considered view that there's criminal negligence by doctors in administering these shots. My
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question to you is, are you aware of legal proceedings that have been taken by patients
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or families of deceased patients against the doctors that administer them? And we can add the
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hospitals because you mentioned the hospitals and the fact that you're the story of your sister. So
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two elements, actions against doctors for their criminal negligence. As a lawyer, I'm saying it
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is criminal negligence. And secondly, the criminal negligence of the hospitals.
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Yeah, well, it's not criminal negligence, Charles. It's criminal intent. No, it's criminal
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negligence, Stephen. Come on, Curtis. Well, it was intentionally done. So
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it's criminal intent. Sorry. It's an easy one to go for criminal negligence. No, it's not far more
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difficult because like Stephen, criminal intent is far more difficult to prove than criminal
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negligence. Oh, absolutely. I agree. But the point is, we know it was intent. Anyway, no, we don't.
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Well, I do. I do. Sure. First question, can you see my screen? Because on my end, it looks like
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half my head is caught off. You're good. Showing up. I'm good. Okay. Okay. Sure. I know of a
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number of cases in which family members and others have attempted legal action. Now, I don't know
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how many have been successful. I'm just not aware. I do know that it's a real uphill battle. Even when
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family members want to get a relative out of the hospital, they don't like what's going on. They
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don't want the family member to receive dangerous drugs or the hospital refusing to give things like
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ivermectin and things which are safer. So there have been attempts to remove the parents from the
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hospital, but I mean family from the hospital. But the hospital can be very, very aggressive and they
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got big law firms representing them. It's a battle. As I indicated in the film, there are cases of
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people literally escaping the hospital to live. That's a person who crawled to the toilet to get
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some water and then had enough strength to leave. I know of other cases where it was sent a video by
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Mr. Kennedy sent it to me directly. It showed a black man in hysterics. He was unaware he was
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in a hotel or family members, but he still had hospital guard on. He was saying the hospital was
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trying to kill him. He said he overheard the nurse saying to a doctor, well, I hit him three times
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and he's still alive. The guy was in hysterics because he wasn't unconscious. He said he somehow
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managed to escape from the hospital. Another case of a man literally running down the streets from
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the hospital and his hospital guard yelling at the hospitals murdering people. So there are a lot of
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people who have these situations who may not have good lawyers at their fingertips. I haven't
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personally, I haven't followed up on this, haven't heard of anyone being really successful.
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Only thing I have heard of people going in with family members and one way or another just getting
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their family member out of the hospital without all the protocols. I know of one case in which
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they did something with the paperwork. Somebody advised them at the hospital and they were able
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to get their family members out. But it's a treacherous thing to try to have to do because
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hospitals act like, no, your body belongs to us. You're no longer free will and we're not going to
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release you until you're dead and we get our check. Yeah, very good. Yes, it's good to understand
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that and I think this is a clarion call to all of us to encourage people to take those actions. We
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have to take those actions even though they are difficult. Otherwise they get away scot-free. So
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Steve, in the next 15 minutes are yours. So Curtis, thank you so much for coming on. I do think that
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your greatest strength, Curtis, and you may not realize it. Can I see your face, Stephen?
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Well, maybe I chose that, but anyway, I'll switch it on. No big deal. It is a big deal. People want
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to see you. Charles, are you trying to distract me? So I was trying to remember what I wanted to say
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to Curtis. You're doing a good job at distracting me. Anyway, so Curtis, I just want to say that
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you may not be aware of this, but I think your greatest strength is your ability to seek out
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these stories and store them. You understand the importance of stories. So even though
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anecdotes don't stand up in court allegedly, a mass of anecdotes saying roughly the same thing
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do as I understand it or can do if the lawyers are good enough. So I think it's very important
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that we collect these stories and store them safely, archive them, whatever. We need librarians,
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and I hope that you have understood that, or it may be just coincidence. You may be just a fan of
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the Greek myths, but anyway, you said for example, so one of the things you just said, you're also
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good at quotes. Your body belongs to us, the hospitals. That quote is brilliant because it
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actually sums up what the hospitals think probably. I don't know what they think. They're
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psychopaths clearly. They seem to think that they can act with no morals, get a load of money,
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and impress everybody with their money despite the fact that they've got no morals. Well, sorry,
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that doesn't work out in the long run, especially if you have to answer to God.
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I'm struggling to kind of see God at the moment, but I do know one thing that I like people
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who answer to God generally because at least hopefully in my mind, maybe I'm too idealistic,
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but they at least seem to be attempting to tell the truth. They understand the importance of
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the truth. Well, maybe it's just about not offending God, but I think that the truth is
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actually our best defense against death, survival. It's the best thing to survive. You need to know
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the truth in order to solve things which are dangerous. So one of the things, it's really
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hard to do this, but one of the problems I've had, Curtis, is that I said, it seems like three years
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ago now, I said there's no symptom, which is pathognomonic for COVID-19, and I was hit by a
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barrage of people within this group saying, oh, I've had COVID. No, that's not right, Stephen.
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So, but the point is that, you know, I have got a medical degree. The medical doctors did wrong in,
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last I knew they were doing wrong in 2020, early in 2020. And so because I'm a doctor, doesn't mean
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to say that I'm not right about this because I had a little training, shall we say, for 2020,
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a five and a half year legal case against the British MOD who behaved outrageously,
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and I won't go into that. But anyway, I had a training, so I knew straight away that this was
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wrong. Everything was wrong. It was all a fraud. And we, so what I'm trying, I'm saying this, Curtis,
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because we, you and I, and Dr. Hooker, if he's happy, because I like Dr. Hooker a lot, he's,
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he's got a great mind, but even he, I get depressed. He says, so Dr. Hooker said he had COVID early on.
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It was like a severe cold. I think I heard that correctly. I've written it down here. It was like
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a severe, well, no, there was no COVID-19. COVID-19 was improperly diagnosed. That's the whole point.
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He also said that there was something different about COVID. It came out of the Wuhan lab. It was,
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so he was trying, he was playing into the narrative of it being more dangerous, more virulent.
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But the problem with that is that we were taught at medical school that a dead virus kills its host.
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And I remember asking straight away when the immunology professor said that, I said,
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does that mean the pandemics are not possible? And I didn't know what I was taught. I mean, I was just
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barely out of my teens. So, and he said, very good, Stephen. But I didn't realize why he said very
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good at the time, but I remembered what he said. And so the point is a deadly virus kills its host.
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Yeah. But a dangerous virus makes danger for its host. So it makes pandemics, allegedly,
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which are dangerous to human beings. But the problem is you've got an interplay between
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transmissibility and virulence. So if you've got something that is transmissible enough to spread
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around the world and create a pandemic, then it's of no concern because it can't be, because it's
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not sufficiently transmissible, sorry, virulent to cause any problems. So if you've got a bit,
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on the other hand, if we believe in viruses, after all this, because I'm not sure I do,
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but that's another argument to be had another day, in my opinion, then if you've got a virulent
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virus, it's not going to spread, whether it's from a lamb or naturally occurring. And I don't know
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how many million times I've got to say this to get a few allies, but we need to understand this.
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There was no pandemic. There was no COVID-19. The whole thing was a fraud. And if it takes,
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so Curtis, I would like to get on the call with you and Dr. Hooker. You know, it could be anybody,
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but I think you and Dr. Hooker would be great. We can discuss this and we need to analyze
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everything that Dr. Hooker said on that video. He's very good, but unfortunately, he plays into
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the narrative. Doesn't do it intentionally, I'm sure, but he plays into the narrative,
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which they're putting about that the virus was dangerous when in fact, it was the lockdowns
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and all the other stuff that was going on in the chaos that was dangerous and the BBC propaganda,
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which was terrorizing people in my country and all around the world with BBC World. So I wonder
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whether you'd be interested in that? Sure, not a problem. Could you organize that then, you, me,
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and Dr. Hooker? Well, I can't guarantee their schedule or anything, but I can reach out to them
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and see, you know, what works with your schedules and everything else. Maybe Mary Holland,
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because she's a key player in this and I don't know, it's up to you. Well, I'm in contact with
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with them and they normally can be very receptive. Can't guarantee anything, but I am in contact with
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all of them and they normally try to be as receptive as they can. So I will try. So do you
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understand why I'm asking you this? Because the point is, if we don't know what's happened
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and we continue to talk their narrative, we can't hold them to account. We're always off the truth
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in their eyes and they're laughing at us, in my opinion. So they're now talking about monkeypox.
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I look, I don't think there was a pandemic, but more importantly, there is no possibility
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of pandemic. As I pointed out, as I asked the immunology professor when I was at medical school,
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do you see? Yeah. So the thing that they want to use as the best Trojan horse, in their opinion,
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for totalitarianism is endless pandemics in the future. And I'm saying they are not possible
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because anything of concern as a pandemic can't spread sufficiently well because a deadly virus
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kills its host. A dangerous virus almost kills its host, but takes him out of action.
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He's not seeing many people. He's in bed at home because he's really ill or in the hospital.
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So anyway, I won't labor that point, but I just feel a bit frustrated. I'm on your side, Curtis.
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I sense your anger about this and your determination. I think you're going to fight
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these people till the day you die, and I'm the same. So I think it's important we get together.
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But anyway, what was that? What else do I want to say? Oh, yes. So it seems to me that the
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healthcare system in the United States is money driven, highly dangerous. And in the United Kingdom,
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it's not money driven. Well, not most of it anyway, but it's cult driven and it's just as dangerous.
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So are we fatally flawed as human beings?
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Is that a question? Like a really philosophical question I think a long time to really address.
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But what I will say is that the allopathic medical system that we have
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focuses on a few key things. I mean, surgery, drugs, and radiation. Prior to the rise of the
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allopathic system and prior to the influence of the Rockefellers and others, people were more into
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homeopathy and natural approaches. I mean, using herbs and things of that nature, reflexology,
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acupuncture, all natural safe approaches that have been around for thousands of years going
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all the way back to the time of the pyramids. So I'm not convinced that this is the state of the
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human race, but we're in a time period where people with bad morals, putting it lightly,
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have a great deal of wealth and a great deal of power. And they extended their power by seizing
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control of the media, especially the news media. And every time you turn on the TV or radio,
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whatever, there's some commercial for some allopathic drug. And then it's amazing how they're
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able to give long lists of side effects to the drug. And I can't help but thinking each time I
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hear those long detailed lists of how it can cause heart attack, kidney failure, why on earth would
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anybody take those drugs? We're so brainwashed and controlled that a number of people do fall
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victim to that. And so I think you've got very powerful people who have too much power, too much
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wealth manipulating society in really terrible ways. On the positive side though, the
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claim that there's a virus and this whole COVID thing pandemic, it's backfired on them because
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many, many people have woken up to the dangers of the vaccines and the face masks and come to
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the realization that the people they're supposed to trust have been lying to them. I've been active
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in this over 30 years. And I can say that over the past four years, we've required more people
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who are followers and are awake and are active. Our organization, Children's Health Defense,
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has expanded much further than over the past 30 years. We have millions of people through various
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organizations that all relate to CHD directly who've grown and they've found their own lawsuits.
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They're putting out their own newsletters and things. So it's hopeful that the forces of good
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are having an impact. And I think it's going to be far more difficult for them to get away with
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imposing these fake pandemics on the society. In fact, I think the first time I was on the show,
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I shared a lecture I gave to the Western A. Price Foundation, which I show these cycles of fear
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and poisoning people with vaccines going back to the early 1900s to the Spanish flu. I mean,
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I showed each one that I covered. I could have covered a lot more, but I was limited in time.
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They were all hoaxes. A lot of times, the sicknesses were due to the vaccines themselves.
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And they've read the same script on society again and again. And I think this continues because
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you have too few people with too much power, too much money, and too much influence over people
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through the news media and through the movies and things of that nature. So we need to combat that.
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And a complete lack of morals, it seems. And that it doesn't matter that there are no morals.
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That is the thing as far as I can see. So it seems to me to be the case that the people with money,
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a lot of money, the amount of money they have is in both proportion to the morals that they have.
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So a lack of morals on the side of the people with money. So why do people actually aspire
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to having a lot of money if we know that they tend not to have any morals?
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Well, I'm not sure if I agree 100% with that equation. I know a lot of-
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I'm not talking about a million or two here or there. I'm talking about
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like 150 million or a billion, you know? So why do people think money is so important
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and lack of morals don't matter? This is pretty disturbing.
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I will tell you this. Since being involved in this over the past several years,
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I've been fortunate to meet lots of people in what I do. And I can tell you there are billionaires
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that support us. And it's really shocking because when I go to their mansions, it's just like,
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my God, why do they even do this? Why do they work with us? Why do they fund us?
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Because you can have a billion dollars or whatever and still have morals.
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But unfortunately, you've got those who are very wealthy or powerful who don't.
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And you might- it's more complicated than that. There are all kinds of secret societies.
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And a lot of these very, very super wealthy are part of one secret society or another,
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not all of them. And they groom their children from a very young age to destroy their values
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and make them a part of their way of thinking and their occult. I'll give you one quick story.
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There's this woman who was a part- her family is very wealthy and a part of the Luminati.
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And at one point when she was a little girl, she was taking some place and placing a room
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and just left there for many hours or longer. And then the mother came into the room with a glass
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and a pitcher of water and put it on the table. And the little girl was very thirsty, so she went to
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get a drink. And her mother slapped her so hard that she fell to the floor.
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And then the mother left the room with the glass and the pitcher. And later after a lot more time
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went by, mother returned to the room and again put a glass and a pitcher on the table. And the
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little girl, a lot more thirsty now, went to the table to try to get some water. And mother slapped
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her so hard that she again fell to the floor. More time goes by and when the door opens,
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it's not the mother but a man. And he has a glass and a pitcher of water and he puts it on the table.
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This time the girl is too afraid to try to get some water. So the guy then took the pitcher,
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pours some water, glass, said, here have this. And she did drink the water and he said, you did
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very good. Now what was it all about? It was breaking the bonds between the daughter and the
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mother and reestablishing the bonds to this person who's a part of their secret society.
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So they do all types of rituals like that to break the moral bonds. I can tell you some other stories
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that are really terrifying, but I'll tell you one, not too terrifying. But I've delved into this
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because I feel like I have to know what we're going up against. And there's a lot of really bad,
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horrible stories. But I'll tell you one, not too horrible, but morally can be a problem,
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in which one of their rituals, they take somebody initiated and put them in Rome with a statue of
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Jesus and they tell him to spin on the statue. And if the person refuses, they say, very good,
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good to know that you were not stooped to that level, but that person would never move up the
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ranks. It's the one who does spin on the statue of Jesus, that's the one they move up the ranks.
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So a lot of people in power have gone through these type of rituals meant to break them down
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from their moral values and have the allegiance to do whatever the occult leaders tell them to do.
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So that is a part of it. You got a lot of billionaires out there and others who have their
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morals intact and try to do the right thing behind the scenes, quietly. Most of you have
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no idea of their names or anything. And that's the way it should be. That's why I've often said that
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there are forces of good out there because they are. And so we do the best we can with the
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situation, but there are good people out there in a lot of positions. Yes, but it is the case,
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as you know, Curtis, that all over the world, people have wanted to bring court cases,
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legally challenged things. And there's been no the people with money. I know lots of them with
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a lot of money. They kept their money to themselves. They haven't offered any support
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to these legal cases. I'm not saying legal cases the answer to everything, but it's part of it's
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part of fighting back. And so I know that Charles feels strongly about this, the impotence of
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the people who want to bring suits and they can't afford to bring them. And guess what? Oh, we know
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very many wealthy people, but do they want to part with their money? No, not at all.
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Well, think about it. Bobby Kennedy is pretty well off being a Kennedy.
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Oh, sure. Bobby Kennedy is an exception. Yes.
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Yeah, he's out there. I mean, we've, through Children's Health Defense,
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filed over 50 lawsuits. And I remember the first time.
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No, no, no, I wasn't criticizing him. I mean, I know, I know. I'm saying in general,
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but quick story. The first time I had dinner with him, one of the questions I asked him was,
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why do you do this? You're already proven you're smart. You already required wealth. I mean,
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you could just be traveling around the world with your family, having fun. I'll never forget
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what he said to me. He said, Curtis, I do it for the same reason that you do. Once you know the
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science, you have no choice. And he was absolutely right. Once I did the research on the vaccines,
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I had to do what I can to warn people. So even a man who could just sit back and enjoy life,
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he's put himself on the firing line because of his values. There are lots of people
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worth hundreds of millions and things like that who do have moral values and do try to do things
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behind the scenes. And so not all of them, maybe not even the majority of them,
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but they are out there. So I think that Bobby Kennedy, he made a brilliant speech
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and very, very well thought out speech. And I thought it was just wonderful. It must have
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taken him ages to write that speech. It had so much in it. But also the way he delivers,
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he looks, I'm not criticizing, but he looks as though he's gone through the suffering
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necessary to wake human beings up, if you understand what I mean. So he looks a little
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bit tortured and very intense. And he obviously, he must have suffered from the fact that his
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uncle and his father were assassinated in such public circumstances. But I don't think it's just
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that. I feel that people doubt John F. Kennedy. I think the opposite. I think there's no doubting
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that John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is authentic. He may make mistakes,
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you know, which some of our group are ready to point out. But everyone makes mistakes.
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But what I pick up on is the authenticity, the brilliance. He's a brilliant guy. He's been kept
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on the sidelines for whatever reason, or he hasn't chosen to be in the limelight. And now
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he makes his move. And I think it's brilliant what he's done.
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I've finished, I've finished, John.
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Beautiful, beautiful timing. I think it's salutary to think, contemplate that question,
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why he's put on the sidelines. Many of us have had a view. Thank you.
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Too dangerous. He had an interest in getting to the truth.
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Truth is dangerous, correct.
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And they knew that.
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All right, we've got four hands up. Away we go. Curtis, you ready for more questions? I know
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you love questions. You normally ask the questions, and then we're going to grill you.
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No problem.
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Hi, Curtis. Hi. You certainly have a very excellent depth of both what's going on now and
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a range of the reoccurring parts of it. So not only now, but HIV period and back, as you identified
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all the way to the Spanish flu and even before that.
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Now, a lot of your focus because of your history is around the medical and the science part of it.
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But I assume you are aware that there are many other kinds of weapons that have been used by
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this same set of evil leaders and Illuminati connections, correct?
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Yes, yes.
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Okay. So I'm a retired software engineer, but now I'm a full-time journalist and have been
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as part of a connection to some individuals in the highest Intel levels of the
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Department of Justice. Department of Defense, I'm sorry.
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1:29:43
And I'm working with them around getting out the truth and our rumble channel of L4ATV1
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at the beginning of you can see it in the label for the Gmail is where we broadcast and we have
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1:29:54
over 60 shows that are multi-hour shows of bringing that truth and with it the evidence.
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1:30:03
And our concern is that they're about to shift, that those in power and have been in power,
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the specific family set have been in power for 160 years. They're at risk of losing that power
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1:30:17
and they will do everything to maintain that power. And as such, they can easily see now that
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momentum has shifted and the flow towards President Trump as a righteous leader is well underway
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1:30:33
and they can't survive another four years of his presidency. So they will do anything to prevent
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1:30:41
him from coming to power. And that's between now and January 20th. And as part of our team
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1:30:47
in the investigation we've done and the analysis of them, we are confident that they are going to
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go into a terror process, a physical terror process with over 100,000 terror cells distributed across
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the United States. And they will do that as part of incurring a massive amount of chaos.
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And with that, to try to allow the current administration or the replacement with Harris
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as a coming up if Joe suddenly resigns and that they will attempt to instill that chaos and with
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it impose martial law and prevent any election results from taking effect. So as part of that,
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our warning to people is the first thing you have to do is you have to survive through this election
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1:31:43
and to that hopefully transfer of peaceful power. And if you don't concentrate on doing that,
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you can't possibly do that with our Congress because the Senate is completely biased and will
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1:31:56
not take action against any of the treason. So the only way you can do that is to work with your
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1:32:02
local police department, your local fire departments, your local schools and engage them
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1:32:09
in the dialogue, engage them in being honest to the Constitution and the rule of law and to block
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at every chance this kind of chaos. But to do that, we in the awake side and the
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pro-humanity side, we need to join together. And the Marxist intent is always divide and conquer.
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So my specific question to you is because of the kind of trust you've built and kind of connections
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you have and the fact that R.F.K. Jr. has basically come forward and said that he believes all of his
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followers should follow with President Trump, will that extension of trust actually work?
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1:32:53
Because inside the vaccine injured world, there are so many people that have been never Trumpers
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up till now. Do you think they will in fact listen to R.F.K. Jr. and say, okay, even though I may have
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my reservations around President Trump, I trust R.F.K. Jr. and I will follow in his directives and
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the trust level that he's built? Well, it's not going to be 100%, but I think people respect
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Mr. Kennedy and what he's all about and a percentage will follow his lead in supporting Trump.
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The others, well, they have to find their own path. There's also a large
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percentage of people who are independents and Mr. R.F.K. Jr. has often said that he's very
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1:33:46
popular among independents, so that might weigh in as well. So what we can do is keep our fingers
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crossed and Trump has stated more than once that he feels that they're going to unleash
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terrorist attacks in this country and I think that's a very real possibility.
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All we can do is weather the storm in the best way we can. Trump expects it, others expect it,
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I think is real possible. Hopefully it won't. Maybe the fact that he's publicized it, they may
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have second thoughts because people then start looking at the current administration as being
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behind this because they're the ones, Harris and Biden, who opened up the floodgates and let these
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millions and millions of unvetted people come in and I was doing that because I was a Republican
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and I was doing subset reports on that and one thing I noticed was that these guys coming over,
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they were young, healthy men of military age. I also noticed that look at their clothes and the
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others, you didn't see a spot of dirt, not a smudge on their clothes. They were all wearing new clothes.
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1:34:51
So they gave us the impression back then that these were like poor peasant farmers,
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which wasn't the case. They all got these cell phones and of course any commissars dictate
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1:35:02
that nobody's walking hundreds of miles or thousands of miles in flip-flops. That's what
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1:35:09
they were showing is flip-flops or carrying babies. Every time we saw the gathering of people,
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those were photo ops. They were being brought up by buses, paid for by the Biden administration.
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The Biden administration also were flying people into this country, illegal,
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1:35:24
unvetted migrants. He was flying them into O'Hara airport and other places and in my subset,
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I covered some of that in the video footage. So they've done everything to put America at risk
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and I'm also very concerned about the level of the Chinese who were coming in this way because
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the Chinese, they clearly did not walk from China to America. They clearly didn't escape the grip
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of the government there. They're here because the government wants them to be here and these,
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unlike some of the others, are very, very smart people. These are the people capable of taking
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1:36:02
down our systems through hacking and a lot of territory has been purchased by the Chinese
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1:36:09
near military bases. But why is that? So you got, last time I counted, or heard was like one third
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of the migrants are Chinese. You don't hear much about them. You only hear about the ones coming
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from Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, things like that. They are very, very smart. They got really
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technical skills and they represent a threat. Trump also mentioned the Chinese. Are they trying
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to build an army inside our country? Well, we can thank Harris and Biden for dropping down our
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defenses and allowing all these people in and Trump is right. You have people from mental
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institutions, prisons, and the ones who were trained, who were potentially terrorists,
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high-tech terrorists. Those are very, very frightening people. There's so much they can
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do to break down our systems. So all we could do is bunker down and weather the storm because I
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think Trump and Bobby are going to win the day. I think there's so much popularity that it's going
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to be hard for them to completely steal this election. And Trump has already said he's not
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going to let them steal it. I know he got lots of people all across the country working on this to
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stop the stealing of this election because what they're doing is they're making it possible for
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these unvetted illegal migrants to be able to vote. They give them drivers licenses and all kinds
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of things. And this, the Democrats doing this, I mean, what can be more anti-American than allowing
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foreigners who are potentially a threat to this country, into this country and trying to let them
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vote illegally for our presidential elections and local elections. So there's big hurdles ahead,
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but there's no way around it. We have to go through this election and do what's necessary
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to follow up and get the right person in office.
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1:38:00
All right. Excellent insight. Let me just add one flavor to what you described. So you described
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a large number of Chinese military age here. One of the other things a lot of people don't
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understand is the Chinese have been making giant inroads to virtually every country in Latin America
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and South America. And so they have enormous influence over those gangs that have been sent
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here through those other countries. So it's not just the Chinese, but it's also everyone coming
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across that border. Okay. Thank you. And they have influence in Africa, Glenn, huge influence in Africa,
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China. Thank you, Glenn. All right, Jerry, we'll go to Ireland now, Curtis. We're going from the
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States to Ireland. Okay. Hi, Curtis. Thanks very much. It was absolutely very, very interesting.
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And particularly to hear Polly and Brian Hooker, the very, very interesting. To introduce myself,
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I've been a GP, I've been a doctor for 47 years, 40 years as a GP was working away in practice in
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1:39:09
2020, realized that there was no virus of any relevance. The pathogenicity of the COVID virus
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1:39:16
just wasn't there. It was no worse than any other virus. Winter flu season said that, said to the
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ICGP, said to the medical council, refused to give the vaccines when they were introduced and was
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suspended with loss of all income, the loss of my clinic, loss of my staff in March 21. So that's
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who I am. I refused to allow the swine flu vaccine into my clinic in 2009 and wrote articles about it,
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1:39:44
it not being necessary. So whereas I wouldn't say I'm totally anti-vaccine or I wasn't anti-vaccine,
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I am now. I totally agree with Charles that the vaccines are probably causing a lot more damage.
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All vaccines are probably causing more damage than they solve. I'd also make the point,
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Dr. Hooker stated that he got vaccine. Again, like Stephen, I'm very disappointed that he used that
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1:40:15
term because people regularly say to me, I got the COVID. That's what Dr. Hooker said, he got COVID.
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COVID is an impossibility to get in the absence of the PCR test and the PCR test is now proven to be
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97% wrong. So the idea to say that you got COVID is on the basis of a PCR test is absolutely
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ridiculous. And I constantly say to people, no, you didn't get COVID, you got a diagnosis of COVID,
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which is a hell of a different thing. Every year for 40 years as a GP, I came across people who had
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1:40:52
the worst flu ever. Every year coming into spring, I came across these people who said,
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1:40:58
oh, that was the worst flu. I got the worst flu. And that year of 2020, people came in with the
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1:41:03
worst flu, but it wasn't the worst flu. They had COVID, they had terrible COVID. And with the
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psychological overlay of expecting to die, which they did, it was worse than the average
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of my 40 years, my 40 winters previously. So, as I say, I'm disappointed to hear Dr. Hooker saying
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that he actually got COVID. I would also say, I have a huge amount of respect for what Polly did
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going around in the in the bus. That's absolutely fabulous. As for, you know,
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the Kerry Mullis, talking about Kerry Mullis, there's absolutely no doubt, but that his death
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was extremely suspicious. And, you know, like there's no arguing, but that had he lived,
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because as a Nobel Prize winner and inventor of the PCR, it undoubtedly would have blown
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the ship out of the water. And so again, the question has to be asked if,
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if in effect that was an accident. RFK, I'm a little, I'm not quite a lover of RFK,
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fundamentally because he seems to have bought into the climate, the anthropogenic climate change.
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I've heard him speak on this. Now, maybe he's changed his tune in the last couple of months,
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but anybody who buys into the hopes of anthropogenic global climate change, anybody
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who with any sort of thinking or any sort of research thinks that carbon dioxide, methane,
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or nitrogen makes any difference to the climate is either kind of dim with it, corrupt, or playing
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a political game. You know, so I'm a bit disappointed that JFK actually still seems to buy into the
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anthropogenic climate change. I've been around long enough as a scientist from the mid 70s
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to know that we started off with climate cooling, and then climate, then climate warming,
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global warming, and then climate change to suit the actual agenda of the earth as it went.
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So what I really want to ask, sorry, I want to ask about DARPA. DARPA is what, the defense
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advanced research development agency. DARPA seems to have developed both the
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the COVID itself, and again, I disagree on the basis that it was, that it had gained a function
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to increase its seriousness or its virulence. I'm totally convinced that there was a gain
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of function, but it was to increase its transmissibility, its infectivity. It would
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be not logical, it would be against all logic for the people who are doing it to introduce a virus
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that truly killed people. They never wanted it to kill people. They use it as an excuse to pump the
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virus or the vaccine into the people. And we see in New Zealand, 11,000 people were allowed not to
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get the vaccine. So it was about the vaccine. The vaccine was the killer, not the virus,
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as far as I'm concerned. And if you go into the gain of function, the gain of function,
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there were 19 nucleotides introduced into the furin cleavage site of the spike protein,
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which is the entry product, the entry system of the virus into the cell. And that was developed
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in 2013, 2014, to allow the entry for cancer treatment. And then it was abandoned. So,
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you know, this all hangs together that in effect, the murder tool was in effect. Well, initially,
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the killing in the hospitals, as we've discussed, and then the vaccine. That's what it's all about.
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It's about population control. So what's your comment on DARPA?
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Well, I will even do detailed research on it. I know there are supposed to be very smart people.
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They come up with a lot of high tech weaponry. And a lot of times they take on projects that other
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similar groups don't think they can handle. So they're smart people. I haven't heard anybody
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accusing DARPA specifically of creating a COVID virus. And for good reason, because
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I've been dealing with this issue of viruses for many years, going back to the 90s, when I was
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involved with the HIV AIDS hoax. And I was shocked to find out that no one had isolated any HIV. It
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was a hoax. And it was really what we were calling AIDS, it was really a disease of drug abuse. I
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mean, it was mostly homosexual men when this thing started, very promiscuous homosexual men who were
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having multiple partners in a week, which caused lots of trauma to the colon area. And they started
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taking a drug called poppers. And poppers, very dangerous, but it would reduce the level of trauma
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to the colon area. That's why they were taking it. But if you look up the symptoms of poppers,
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it was the same two diseases that defined what age was. I mean, a skin cancer called
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carposalcoma and something else called pneumocystis between pneumonia. That was it. And it was caused
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by the poppers. I have been looking at this whole virus issue for a long time. And I'm convinced
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that viruses do not cause anything. And what they're calling viruses is nothing more than
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1:46:59
dead cell material. Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, and many others have done the same
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experiments to grow the virus using the standards of the mainstream medical establishment.
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Only thing is they would not use any bodily fluids of people. So they go through with the
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cell culture and giving them the serum, the growth medium, poisons and starving it. And then
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whatever's in there, the cast serum and anything else, they die. And the things that are left over,
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that's what they're calling viruses. And we know that because when they did use blood samples and
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body fluids from people, the same exact results. So there's no getting around it. I mean, where is
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the virus and who's ever proved that the virus exists? And before I can be convinced that there
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is a virus, we have to see which institution has the COVID virus. I mean, Christine Macy, she sent
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out a Freedom of Information Act request over 200 institutions worldwide. I mean, hospitals,
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universities, things of that nature. None of them had proof of the existence of a virus. They did
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not have a sample of it. And none of them could refer her to an institution that did have samples
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of the COVID virus. And she's expanded her research into this to other supposed viruses.
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The same results. Nobody has any evidence. So I'm not convinced that a virus is involved. Also,
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if you look at the structure of a virus, I mean, you have to ask some basic questions. I mean,
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what about the say is all in the medical literature, nothing controversial, what about to say
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what they're calling viruses do not fit the criteria of life. I mean, a virus, for example,
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does not eat, it doesn't consume anything. All creatures, everything that's defined as a life
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has to consume. Even trees and plants, they consume air, they consume sunlight,
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nutrients from the soil. Viruses do not consume anything. Also, viruses do not produce any waste
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product. All things that are considered alive based on definitions of life has to produce a
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waste product. Even trees, their waste product is oxygen. And plants, same thing. Viruses do not
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produce a waste product. We have a waste product. We go to the bathroom, we do a number one and
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number two. Viruses don't do that. Again, this is not controversial. Anybody can go on Google
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and look it up for themselves. And a virus does not move. I mean, according to the definition of
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life, all living things must move. Even trees and plants move, they move very, very slowly.
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So this entity that they're calling a virus, it doesn't consume anything. It doesn't go
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to the bathroom, or rather, it doesn't produce any waste product. And it doesn't move.
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What they're calling viruses is no more alive than my pen. And they want us to believe that if I were
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to take a microscopic piece of this pen that I'm holding, and they put it in a water solution and
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inject it to somebody, it could get into a person's cells and command the cells to produce baby pens,
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which grow up to adult pens. I hope somebody is laughing because it's absurd, but that is
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essentially what they want us to believe about viruses. So when somebody says they have COVID
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or whatever, it is due to a virus. Well, my first question now is let's run that past Christine Macy
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and see if she can find any evidence that some institution has succeeded in obtaining a purified
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sample of a virus. So I'm not convinced about that. Regarding Mr. Kennedy, I will say that Mr.
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Kennedy is brilliant. I mean, he's a multi-genius, and I'm just stunned at the breadth of his
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knowledge. And I remember doing research on autism years, many years ago, and I read his
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articles on it, and they blew me away. His reports, I literally spent like a month going through them
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again and again, taking notes, following up on the references. And I included some of his material
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in my book, my chapter on autism. He's a brilliant researcher, but it doesn't mean that he knows
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everything, and it doesn't mean that he's researched everything to the same degree that he has other
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topics. I'm not going to debate Mr. Kennedy, and I'm not an expert on climate change, but I am
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not persuaded that climate change is the real problem we're having. I mean, the climate
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always changes, all the way back to the prehistoric times, the climate back then is not the same thing
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as it is right now. And the CO2 they're talking about is something like, the whole issue is that
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number, something like 0.004%. So it's insignificant. And the amount of that that comes from
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humans, human production of things, is a fraction of that. And the flip side of it is, we need carbon
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to live. Life would cease to exist without carbon, carbon dioxide, because plants need carbon dioxide,
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and they give us oxygen in return. The whole ecosystem would fall apart if carbon was removed.
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No, this whole climate thing is not about the climate and the realities of it. I'm thinking
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about doing a report on it, because there's so much information. It's really about what Bill Gates
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outlined. When he gave that report, I think it was on Ted Talk, don't hold me to that,
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and he talked about reducing the carbon emissions. And he said, well, one of the things, if we could
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do a really good job with vaccines and plant power, we can reduce the world's population by
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such and such figure. What? He's equating vaccines with population reduction? I don't know if people
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followed that when he said that, but everybody should be up in arms at that moment. And what does
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he do? I mean, he's behind pushing vaccines and things. So I don't believe in climate change,
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but Mr. Kennedy could have a whole set of other material that could disavow what I think I know.
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But I will just say that once we see people who are very smart, we put them on very high pedestals,
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and we sometimes may have unrealistic expectations. I mean, he's a human being still,
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1:53:42
brilliant, ultra-multi-genius, but he may not have researched everything to the degree that
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he would other topics. So, in a nutshell. Yeah, well, I'll just say I'm not going to...
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I'm just disappointed that the two greatest crimes against humanity have been COVID and climate
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1:54:03
change or anthropogenic climate change. So I'm just surprised that he doesn't need to research
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himself. He can quite easily, I'm sure he's got a panel of experts that he could speak to. In fact,
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he could speak to me and I can disavow him of any ideas he has that carbon dioxide or methane has
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any real change on climate. As for the virus, again, Charles always says this at the beginning,
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that this is not the place to argue about the battle that we face is much, much bigger than
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the existence or non-existence of a virus. But a good friend of mine, Dolores Cahill, Professor
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Dolores Cahill, has assured me that viruses have been identified, individual viruses have been
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identified, have been seen, particularly fish viruses. As far as I'm concerned, after 47 years
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as a doctor, I believe in the concept of viruses. Now, they may be exosomes or they may be various
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different little particles. But you talk about, you know, the proof of viruses not having a life
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form. That's your definition of life. I would say that they're a transitional form between life
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and non-life. So, you know, to say they don't stand up to the various different requirements for
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life is blown away when I say, well, they don't have to be life, per se.
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You know? What could they be? Well, I would say that what they are is an entity that has a DNA or
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an RNA chromosome within them that's often, which is coiled up, they have a capsule,
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they then have a capsule and they live primarily as a parasite, living off human beings. And as
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Charles, as Stephen said earlier on, they die when the body dies. So they are totally parasitic,
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totally dependent on the survival of their host body. You know, they fit with my idea of
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infectivity. I have had many, many times I've had a patient come in, cough and spit and spurt on me
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and with certain symptoms within relatively short time, you know, maybe 12 hours, 24 hours,
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I get those symptoms. And don't turn around and tell me that's toxins or psychological or that,
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because I've seen somewhere between up to 300,000 patients in my life. But once in a while somebody
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comes in, coughs on me or, you know, you get some sort of relatively close contact, which is
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the very nature of being a GP, because you're looking into ears and throats and that.
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I go home, the next day I start developing similar symptoms. My wife starts developing
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similar symptoms. My kids start developing similar symptoms. And the kids in classes
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have got similar symptoms. So what I'm saying is there is some entity that causes infections.
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I know that from, as I say, 40 years as a GP. I don't know what it is. It's maybe an exosome.
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I don't know where it's produced. I don't know what produces it. But all I'm saying is, as far
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as I understand, the classic story, the classic
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rhetoric around viruses fits my clinical experience over 47 years.
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Well, thanks very much. That's brilliant.
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Very good. Very good. I just want to say something Charles, very further to what
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Jerry's just said. I think it's highly likely that virology is a construct which was necessary
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to create this, you know, an evidence-based medicine and other so that they could do what
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they did in 2020. The problem is that I don't think that whether there are viruses or not
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is going to get us very far at the moment. Can I just finish? Because the problem there
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is that you've got to argue about all the other viral illnesses that people say they've had when
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1:58:31
they were children, like 50 years ago, whatever. And then you're going to get deflected from your
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mission, which is to convince people that they haven't had COVID. It's bad enough with people
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saying, I've had COVID, without them saying, I've had mumps, I've had this or that viral illness,
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and I definitely have it. So I don't agree with you over the viruses that you, you know, you're,
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so if I were to say, oh, I definitely think there were no viruses, I think it's highly likely that
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1:58:59
there is no such thing as a virus. I think it's a human construct which was necessary to push,
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to get us afraid. The whole thing about virology was to push pandemics in the future, in my opinion,
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and that's what they want. It's the best, it's the best Trojan horse for totalitarianism that human
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1:59:22
beings have ever come up with. The climate change thing is much less good. But to answer Stephen,
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as a GP, I have seen epidemics of chickenpox, measles, mumps in my community. I don't have to
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depend on a paper here or somebody else's written paper. I've been there as a GP seeing, well,
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hundreds of patients a week churning them through, and I've seen chickenpox break out in a local
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school and, you know, then in various classes, I've seen chickenpox, mumps, measles. I've been
1121
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around long enough to actually see measles, German measles. I've seen it. And again, all I can say is,
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I don't need to read anybody's paper, I don't have to read anybody's book to know that I saw
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many epidemics of these things in my community. But it's not necessarily due to a virus.
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Come on, come on, we're not having this debate. Curtis, what would you like to say?
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Combination of circumstances in the environment or whatever, there are so many factors which could
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2:00:35
play a role. Never. Curtis. Dr. Gary, just real quickly, if you, whichever virus you
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2:00:42
feel confident exists, if you can find who's succeeded in isolating it, purifying it,
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2:00:48
improving that it exists, and they have a sample of it, let me know. That's COVID, that's the COVID,
1129
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you're talking about the COVID. No, I'm talking about viruses in general. I'm talking about
1130
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2:00:59
all viruses have been identified. Okay, well good. If you could provide that to me.
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2:01:05
Well, I get on to Dolores Cahill, who is actually a professor of immunology, and she has assured me
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2:01:09
that there are viruses identified. Okay, that'll be good. So whichever one that she can, she says
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2:01:15
there's samples of, let me know and I'll be in contact with Christine Macy and others,
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2:01:21
and they'll do the analysis and decide that they really succeeded in creating or identifying a
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2:01:30
virus. So that was settled then. Well, as I say, she is an academic and a professor of immunology.
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I'm a GP. I can only go on my experience of seeing similar symptoms in groups.
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All right, Jerry, you said that. You're a wonderful man, Jerry. Stop. And Curtis, you need to know that
1138
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2:01:48
Jerry's support for Albert Benavides has been crucially important for the Be as Aware work.
1139
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2:01:55
Oh, wow. So, well done, Jerry. You've played a big role in that. So you get a thumbs up from Albert
1140
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2:02:00
and from us, Jerry. So well done. Now, that reminds me, I'd love to have a three hour debate
1141
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2:02:06
on this topic, but in my view, with the 12 battlefronts of this World War Three,
1142
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2:02:11
debating the existence or not of viruses is like debating the quality of the deck chairs on the
1143
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2:02:20
Titanic. John, look out. Absolutely agree with him. John, by the way, before John starts,
1144
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2:02:28
Dagmar has put a note into the, asked me to read out in the chat, I'll paraphrase it that
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2:02:33
essentially Dagmar, who's an attorney in Germany, involved in Ryan, Ryan and Fullmick's case,
1146
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2:02:38
that he's likely to be sentenced in this show trial to three years and four months.
1147
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2:02:46
And the rights for an appeal are very limited. And she's just sharing that with us. It is an
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2:02:51
she's just sharing that with us. It is an outrageous, it is an outrageous show trial.
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2:02:57
We know that's what they do and we need to make noise about it. But thank you Dagmar for sharing
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2:03:02
it. Her voice is in trouble. That's why she can't say that. I'm saying that on her behalf. John,
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2:03:02
2:03:06
look out. Charles, do we know exactly what he's charged with? What the heck has he been
1152
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2:03:13
If you follow it, everyone who's been following it, there's vast exploration on it. Allegedly,
1153
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2:03:19
the misappropriation of donated funds, Stephen, that's the that's the bullshit claim. That's all.
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2:03:23
And he was illegally kidnapped in Mexico, the collusion of the Mexican government with the
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2:03:29
German government. And then the bullshit that he misappropriated funds. That's what's happening.
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2:03:35
Fair play to you, Charles, for highlighting Reiner's plight. Every meeting we have, that's great.
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Thank you. Thank you. And I many times on TNT radio, I raised it and, you know, all of us have
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2:03:46
to talk about it. And any German embassy officials that we know around the world, we should
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2:03:51
pressure on them. John, they've got John and Diana and then back to Stephen. We're finishing in 22
1160
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2:03:57
minutes, Curtis. So, John. Okay. So, Curtis, I mean, I'm, geez, I don't know where to begin. I'll tell
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2:04:02
you what I've been doing all during your presentation. I've been given, I've been putting together a list
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2:04:09
of everything I heard you ask for. I got a whole page. I like what I want to ask you something, man,
1163
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2:04:14
because I just, you know, everybody's in a different place in this. And I could tell that,
1164
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2:04:18
you know, you're telling stories about how you, you know, the things that woke you up and the things
1165
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2:04:23
that surprised you and all that kind of stuff. And I got a ton of those myself. We all do. What do you
1166
2:04:23
2:04:29
still really wish you had? Like right now? You know, if I could give you anything you want, what do
1167
2:04:29
2:04:37
you want to stop, mess with? What do you want to go away? What? What? Just I got a billion dollars
1168
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2:04:43
and on a nice island with a beautiful woman. I mean, what do you want me to say?
1169
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2:04:49
It's in this room, right? What do you want to do? Like activists work. What do you want to
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2:04:57
really accomplish? Well, I'm doing things on an ongoing basis. And as mentioned, I think earlier
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in the video that I have an event coming up next week, November, I'm sorry, September 19th,
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2:05:12
which we will have a major rally in Harlem for the Harlem State office building against Mandy.
1173
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2:05:20
I'm sorry. Mandy Cohen, the new director of the CDC and her pushing COVID shots for babies is
1174
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2:05:27
to go away. Do you want them to go away? Do I want them to go away? You want to go away?
1175
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2:05:31
Because I got this thing, man. I call this the anti-vaccinator. Okay. And I want to,
1176
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2:05:35
I want to give it to you. Okay. I want to give you a whole bunch of stuff, but we're going to
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2:05:44
start with this. All right. I want you to, I want you to take a look. Was that a gun, John? Yeah.
1178
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2:05:50
Yeah, it is. I built it. You want one? A million one. Well, I'm not sure you get into the UK.
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2:05:55
This right here, I'm going to explain to you what this is as briefly as possible because the guys
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2:06:00
heard me do it a couple of times now. All right. This here is the silver bullet. All right. If you
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2:06:00
2:06:06
want to take the rug out from under these guys, you have to be able to prove very quick, very fast,
1182
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2:06:11
and very indisputably that their vaccines are bullshit, that they don't work. They've never
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2:06:16
worked that you can prove that they don't work. That it's easy. The evidence is already there.
1184
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2:06:23
Everything you need is in that document and this book. Okay. And you don't even really need the
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2:06:28
book because the document is going to lay it out for you. I want you to just go read that and I'll
1186
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2:06:33
put my email address in there. Please call me. Would you do that? Because I want to give you
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2:06:39
everything that I heard you ask for. I've got an article and a list and a book and a method,
1188
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2:06:44
and I've tried them all out. I mean, I've been just steamrolling over everybody. Nobody beats me.
1189
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2:06:49
And I want you to, I want to give me that. Can I give you that? Can I email you that?
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2:06:57
Sure. But no guns, please. Even toy guns. We are nonviolent and we wanted to use the legal process.
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2:07:02
Just to get a laugh. Honestly, I want to give it to you, but I don't want to throw that cell
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2:07:07
out. It's too big. But I'm going to put my email address. You send me an email after the meeting
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2:07:11
and then you can call me because man, I could talk to you for hours, man. I think, you know,
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2:07:18
I could give you some credit. I want to meet some people. And John, stop there. Curtis, it would be
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2:07:25
of great value in my view and others here that having a conversation with John Lukacs will be
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2:07:31
of great value to you. He's speaking is very helpful, very useful, very insightful.
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2:07:36
And he's booked on that. He's in the chat. I'll get that to you as well.
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2:07:44
Or. Perfect. All right. So on the meeting, he feels a bit rushed as I do,
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but he's very exercised about what's going on and what has gone on. And he's on the right side.
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Is that right? Correct. Absolutely. He's on the right side. So John's doing great work, everybody.
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2:08:03
So John, have a look at John's work is a resource for all of us for research. If you want to know
1202
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2:08:08
something, everybody on this call, get in touch with John. All right. On we move to Diana and then
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2:08:15
Stephen. We've got 15 minutes to go. Thanks. I was just going to ask if Curtis
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wanted to say anything more about the rally and demonstration that he's planning. And. Sure.
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I wish you were to be there. I will. I just did an interview with CSD TV yesterday,
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and I posted that interview as well as additional information on my substat,
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Curtis cost that substat dot com. And that gives all the information where it is time.
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How to get there transportation wise. And I have a list of the speakers,
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Dave Rasnik, who's on this call. I see Dr. David Rasnik. He's going to be speaking there.
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Dr. Dr. James Storpe is going to be there. Mary Holland's going to be there speaking. And we have
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a great array of doctors and scientists and nobody can say we're a bunch of kooks and just
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making stuff up. These are all nationally, internationally famous people in most cases
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and very serious minded. So you got to add and you can do me a favor if you like what I'm doing.
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When you go to my substat, consider becoming a subscriber and ideally becoming a paid
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subscribers. Very inexpensive, but it helps me. It motivates me when people show that they really
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appreciate what I'm doing. So, and you can also go to my website, www.vaccinesaredangerous.blogspot.com.
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And you can order my book, Vaccines Are Dangerous. It's going to be going out of print very soon.
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So you can get your copy and I autograph all copies ordered from my website. Don't order from
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Amazon because they censored me and they just have people who have collected copies of my book,
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which is selling for ridiculous prices, $100, $200. But you can get it from my website,
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only $24.95. So yeah, so go to my substat and get all the information about this coming event.
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I have your book. It's casual. Oh, great. Thank you. Thank you. Bless you.
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Thank you. Your friend is a present, so I should get another one.
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Okay. No problem there. Be happy to sign it and everything. Thank you.
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All right. Now, next. Thank you, Diana. Jonathan, I will put the link to the
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Rhino petition into the chat in a moment. I've got it so all of us can sign it. Stephen, over to you.
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The last set of questions. Thank you. So Curtis, continuing my theme with the big things,
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what I think are the big things, people don't agree, maybe. But there was no pandemic.
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There was no COVID-19. But very importantly, there was no gain of function research of any
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consequence in Wuhan. That was the construct in my view. And why? Oh, they wanted to terrify people,
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escape from a lab. How do we stop viruses from escaping from labs in China and all around the
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world? We're going to have endless pandemics. That was what they wanted people to believe.
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They didn't need the COVID case. They just needed to terrorize people into getting ill,
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getting ill by isolating them, by making them lose hope. I don't know whether you're aware of
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the universe 25 experiment. I think the universe 25 experiment is incredibly important.
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The mice, the experimenter who ran it said none of them would survive in the end.
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When things got bad in this ideal society for mice, some of the male mice didn't want to have
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sex with the females. In other words, they didn't want to reproduce. Apparently, that's one of the
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things that goes first when people are not happy. But the females then took action, groups of females
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took action against the males who didn't want sex with them and essentially bullied them, I think.
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But the female, they all didn't want to live in the end. And I think that's what they were aiming
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for with the COVID nightmare. Every doctor in the world, every medical doctor in the world,
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should have known immediately that you do not isolate human beings because they're highly
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social animals. We were taught that at medical school, at my medical school, highly social animals.
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Everybody in the world, but especially doctors, should have known that. They had no clue.
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They went along with it. And still in the UK, I'm talking to doctors who still don't get it.
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They half get it, but they still had COVID. So I think that this was evil beyond belief.
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I don't have difficulty in believing in God per se, but I realized that the universe is so
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complicated, so huge, we can't even conceive of it. I mean, there are hundreds of billions of
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stars in our galaxy, suns, if you like, and there are hundreds of billions of galaxies
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in the universe, so we're told. I don't know, I can't check on that, but it looks like pretty
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massive to me. So it does seem incredible that mere human beings who can't even get from their
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own planet, probably didn't even get to the moon, we now realize. They have no hope of getting to
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another planet, in my opinion, that they created all this and all the complexity of the immune
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system in human beings and all other animals. There's a complete lack of humility in most human
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beings and we need to be humble. But oh no, they want to be in the cult. They like to form cults,
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human beings, because they don't have to have responsibility for anything then. And it's all
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about, please join my cult, because my cult is right. Do you understand me? So I think it's a
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complete mess, but the gain of function research, which they were pushing in the United States
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Senate, I don't know which side Rand Paul was on, but I think he was on the right side, he didn't
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quite understand. I think that was, so it's my medical opinion, that they weren't capable of
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the gain of function research. And I have to give it to JJ Cooey. He was the one who made me think
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of that first. He said, in my opinion, they are not able to do what they say they are doing.
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Exactly. They didn't need to do it. They just needed to scare human beings all around the world
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into compliance. And I can really agree. Fear is one of their keys for control. And in the report
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that I gave in my presentation, Weston A. Price, I emphasized that every single pandemic that they
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declared, of the ones I covered, they were all fake. And they all were bent on fear, because when
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people are afraid, they're less rational. They resort to being more like children. And I've just
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been shocked because I've been reading the numbers and looking at these things for many years,
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and how gullible, let me be more blunt, how stupid millions and millions of people can be
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to fall for these snake oil salesmen with their fake viruses and everything. I'm like, come on.
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I can't be the only or one of the very few who see the obvious. Yeah, I agree. You can't even
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talk about gain of function until you prove the virus exists. In fact, they were talking about
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viruses existing before they had electron microscope to even potentially see such a virus.
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So this was the boogeyman that they saw they can make money out of. And one of my big efforts
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have been over the years to wake people up from living in fear, which is what they want. They
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like fear. They like operating in the shadows. And so when people come along to shine light on
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their nonsense and bring it down to a level that the average person can understand, they don't like
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that. Because what they do is they use a lot of technical terms to confuse people, to intimidate
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people who want to read something that they feel too stupid to read. What I do in my book,
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Vessi's Are Dangerous, I take a lot of the technical stuff and make it very simple so the average
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person can read it, understand it, and realize that they've been scammed. And I also want to touch on
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something else before we do wrap up is that we got to do something about these hospitals. They're
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still pushing a lot of these procedures around COVID. Hospitals are probably among the scariest
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places to be. A very famous doctor said that on a radio interview I set up with her. She said the
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only place scarier than being in a hospital is maybe being in a car accident. I think she's right.
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And I think with Mr. Trump and Mr. Kennedy embracing the notion of making America great again
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threatens all of that. And I hope that they extend it to the hospitals. I hope they cut the funding
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for these murdering of American citizens in these hospitals. Nothing less than murder,
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in my personal, in my speaking on behalf of anybody, but in my personal view, they're murdering
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for profit and they need to be held accountable. I hope that the Trump administration starts
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filing criminal charges or at least criminal investigation to all these hospitals who
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participated in the mass murder of the people going there trusting them. I mean, portraying
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public trust like that is one of the most devastating things I think can be done. I think
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they all should be prosecuted and thrown behind bars or worse. And so hopefully the next
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administration will do that. If Harris gets in, well, we're going to experience more of the same
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and much worse. So I just wanted to say that before we did wrap up. Yeah, sure. So actually
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Kamala is going to be on national live television in the United States tonight because the debate
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is happening tonight, isn't it? Yes, nighttime for us. Yes, yes. Pity that RFK Jr. can't be there.
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But anyway, so I just wondered. So very quickly now I've got Jason Kristoff. Now he says
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very convincingly, I don't know whether you've seen Jason Kristoff. He's a Canadian,
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well, mind control expert as far as I can understand. So he says, and he's got incredible
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presentations, which may be useful to you, Curtis, when you certainly want to, you should interview
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him, I should think. So I think it's true that we're seeing everything. All the human beings on
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the planet are seeing everything through the lens of mind control. And until we sort out who's doing
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the mind control and what it is exactly and how people are being duped and made unhappy enough to
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not want to live any longer, like the mice in the universe 25 experiment, I think we're not going to
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get very far. The other thing I wanted to say, what's happened in the last four and a half years
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is absolutely shocking to me. And but one of the conclusions I've reached, thinking about things is
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that human beings have turned out to be extremely disappointing, not as individuals. But when they
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get into groups, they are very dangerous in groups. And I think this has been talked about
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previously. Indeed, Mohammed Ali says that people seek safety in groups. But he saw danger in groups.
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And I now realize that throughout my experiences in my life so far, I have sensed this, I didn't
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trust groups, I didn't want to dance, I didn't know why I didn't want to dance, I was very resistant
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to dancing. And I think I saw it for what it was. It was a cult. But I didn't get that. And we need
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to understand cults. We need to understand mind control. Yeah, I think those are the main points
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I'd like to say tonight. And thank you so much, Curtis, for coming on. You're just a great
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person, but you're great with the stories as well. Thank you very much. Very kind. Yeah, well done.
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Well said, Stephen. Great human being. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Curtis. Everybody
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subscribe to Substack. Tom Rodman has put the link into those with time. And Curtis, 19th of September,
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New York, so in Harlem at midday on the 19th of September. And I think any other announcements
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you want to make, Curtis, before we go? Nope, no, I think it does. Thanks very much for the
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opportunity. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Curtis. Thank you, Stephen. Thanks, everybody.
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Take care. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. And don't forget to get it. Oh, and the other thing,
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Raznik, David Raznik, he sent me a message, a direct message, and I wanted to reply to it. But
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by the time I got around to replying to him with a direct message, unfortunately, he'd left. I can
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put you in contact with him. Not a problem. Yeah. So if you can remember that. And also, if you're
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interested in you and Dr. The name's gone now, the one on the video, you know, if he would
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if he would like to take up my offer to talk to you too, and then we can at least get try and get
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common ground between the three of us, and then just try to spread the message a little bit further.
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Okay, sounds good. I think we need to do we need to kind of
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pay attention to our messaging and and test the messaging to the limits with people who don't
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necessarily actually don't agree with us, because then we come up with the best messages. And we did
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that with the David Kelly thing, the David Kelly scandal in the UK.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to dash. So thanks again, everybody. Bye bye. Bye.
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Thanks, Charles. Thanks, Stephen. Thanks. Good job.