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Indeed, indeed, indeed.
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All right, everybody, welcome to today's discussion
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of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost
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over three years ago with the desire
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to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom, and true health.
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Stephen has stood up against government power
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over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist.
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His medical specialty is radiology.
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I'm Charles Kovest, the moderator of this group.
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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur,
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and we love passionate people in these meetings,
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and Gerry Waters is one of them.
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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career
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31 years ago, and over the last 13 years,
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I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies
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for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.
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The latest data I've seen is that bad medical advice
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is now the number one killer of human beings in America.
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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
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We comprise lots of professions here
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and we're from all around the world.
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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
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Now, many of us proudly say, and I'm one of them,
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that we are passionate anti-vaxxers.
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And I assure you that I've yet to meet a parent
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who refused to vaccinate their children,
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who regrets that decision.
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I'm yet to meet one.
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If this is your first time here, welcome,
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and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat
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and where you're from.
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If you publish a newsletter or a podcast,
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or you have a radio or TV show, or you've written a book,
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put the links into the chat so we can follow you,
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promote you, and find you.
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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III
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and that the medical science battle is only one
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of 12 battlefields of this latest World War.
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And to that end, well, I make the observation
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that the game plan of our opponents in World War III
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is to get us focused on whether or not,
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whether there is, or whether there is not a virus,
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or whether you should treat this way,
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that in the meantime, the evil that's going on
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in 11 other battlefields, we ignore.
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So this group covers all 12 of those battlefields,
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including holding to account officials
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for what they've done.
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Many of us, most of us understand the development of science
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and that the science is never settled.
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Some of us believe that viruses exist,
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some of us believe that viruses are a hoax,
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and some of us are on the fence.
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And Jerry, you were talking about the Nuremberg Code,
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the abuse of human rights is so far,
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so hugely more important than this question
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of whether or not viruses exist.
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It's a wonderful distraction.
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We can go down the rabbit hole.
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This, we will listen to our guest presenters today,
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Dr. Emmanuel Garcia, originally from the US,
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now living in New Zealand,
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whose resume is on the show notes.
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I don't go through those slavishly,
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because most of you have received invitations and read them,
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but read the show notes.
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So we will listen to Emmanuel,
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calls himself Manny for as long as Manny wishes to speak,
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and then we have Q&A.
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Stephen Frost, via long established tradition,
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asks the first questions for 15 minutes.
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This is a free speech environment
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with appropriate moderating.
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Free speech is crucially important in our fight
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to preserve our human freedom.
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And many people lost their jobs
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because they exercised free speech.
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We don't, however, allow ad hominem attacks,
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and that means you're attacking the person.
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That's what they do in parliament.
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We don't allow that here.
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We attack ideas.
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We question ideas.
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We discuss ideas.
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We don't attack the people here.
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If you're offended by anything, be offended.
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We are lovingly not interested.
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We reject the offence industry
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that requires nobody to say anything
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that may offend another.
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We want to have a attitude and perspective of love,
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not fear.
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Fear is the opposite of love.
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Fear squashes you.
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Love, on the other hand, expands you.
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Our opponents in this World War III
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want you to be very, very frightened
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of something you can't see.
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These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests.
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An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives
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have been generated from linkages made by attendees
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to meetings.
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If you have a solution or a product or links or resources
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that will help people put the details into the chat,
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I note that one of our regular participants,
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Jerome Corsi, Robert Malone announced
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that his book on the assassination of JFK
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was released yesterday.
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So for those of you who didn't pick that up, check it out.
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So his book that we've been waiting to be released
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has now been released.
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Dave Colum, I look forward to you analyzing
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what Jerome said there.
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I must say I'm persuaded, I have no doubt,
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that JFK was assassinated,
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not by a guy in the book depository.
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What's his name, Lee?
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The other one.
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Lee Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Lee Harvey.
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I have no belief that that's what happened,
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and Jerome scientifically shows it didn't happen.
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The meeting is recorded and is uploaded
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onto the Rumble channel.
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I point out an interesting commentary
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from Sukrit Bhakdi's presentation two days ago.
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Mike Yeaton has put a comment there.
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There's a whole string of comments there
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of people who are, I urge you all to have a look at it
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because there's a lot of people there coming there,
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including Mike Yeaton, saying the whole question of viruses
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is, anyway, a very interesting conversation.
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And now welcome to our guest presenters today,
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Emmanuel Garcia.
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We thank you so much, Manny,
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for giving us your time, wisdom, and insights.
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And thank you, Steve and Frost, again,
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for creating this group and for organizing
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Manny to be with us today.
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Manny, you are a co-host.
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You can share your screen if you wish.
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We are in your hands for as long as you wish
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to share your thoughts with us.
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And I point out, everybody, in the show notes,
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you'll see that Manny publishes
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on Global Research Newsletter.
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It was Michelle Shoshinovsky who recommended
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from Global Research Newsletter,
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who recommended Manny to us.
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And Michelle's work is well worth being a subscriber to.
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I'm a subscriber to it.
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I always urge the rest of you to do so,
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and you can find those links in the notes.
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Manny, over to you.
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Charles, I think it's fair to say
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that Michelle Shoshinovsky is probably
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the best analyst in the world, or one of them, anyway.
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And he's certainly the most courageous.
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Very good, Steve.
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Good point, excellent point.
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Yep, thank you.
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Yes, I would second that.
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Michelle was wonderful, and his work was wonderful.
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Well, thank you.
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Thank you.
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I feel quite privileged to be in this truly august company.
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And Charles, your introduction pretty much
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sums up everything.
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I'm not sure what I can add to that.
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But I'll flesh in the details, my personal details,
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and give you a little sense of the story here in New Zealand,
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as well as some of my observations generally.
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Let me just introduce myself
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and give people a little bit of a biographical background.
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I was born and raised in the States, from Philadelphia.
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I graduated from the University of Pennsylvania
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School of Medicine in 1986.
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Got my MD there.
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And as a full-fledged doctor, went
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into psychiatric residency and psychoanalytic training.
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And I practiced really as a Freudian analyst
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and a psychiatrist until I emigrated to New Zealand in 2006.
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I actually studied languages and literature and the classics,
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Latin and Greek.
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And I attended Trinity College and had
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a wonderful time in Dublin.
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I have the fondest memories of Dublin.
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And I was at one point in my life a James Joyce fanatic.
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of a portion of the artist verbatim and parts of Ulysses.
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So we'll leave that aside.
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So I have other interests in fiction and theater
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and poetry and whatnot.
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And Charles, you mentioned the assassination of JFK.
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I was privileged to know two people who
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were instrumental in uncovering some facts
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about that assassination from Philadelphia, Harold Feldman,
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who was the person who first put the grassy knoll on the map.
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And he was a psychoanalyst.
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And Vince Solandria, very, very well-known JFK researcher.
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He went through all of the Warren Commission report.
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And his work is foundational.
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There's no question that the lone gunman
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from the book depository was not the whole story.
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But I will say, I bring this up because the very first poem
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that I remember having written was
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in the aftermath of JFK's assassination.
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It's not a great poem.
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I remember two or three lines, and I won't repeat them.
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But I think I was 10 or 11, 10 at the time, 9 at the time,
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whatever it was.
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In any case, in my family, however,
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and this was a family that voted for Nixon, believe it or not,
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in the 1960 election, it was widely
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assumed that the assassination was probably
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coordinated by LBJ.
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And that's a working class Italian-American family.
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right in the aftermath of the assassination.
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So it's very interesting to put that out.
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Now, as far as any expertise I can bring,
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I'm thinking back, I can't say I'm
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much of an expert in anything.
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I think I was a good psychiatrist.
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in the public sector in psychiatry
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here in New Zealand and did some psychiatric liaison work
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with primary care practices and low-decel communities.
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And I really love that part of it.
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But the system itself is very, very troubled and very, very
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Before I get to how I resigned and why I resigned,
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I wanted to bring up this issue of expertise
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because I was thinking a lot last night about practicing
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as a psychoanalyst meant listening not just
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with the third ear but with all kinds of levels
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simultaneously to people talk, hopefully un-underruptedly,
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for 50 minutes per session.
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That's seven to 10 sessions a day.
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And I did this for years, for over a decade, 15 years,
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just about.
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And I thought to myself that there's no other,
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I can find no parallel in the world
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for that kind of an experience where you devote yourself
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to listening in this holistic way with your mind,
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your soul, the different levels of hearing,
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and the quest of gaining insight into the person lying
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on the couch and speaking freely with free association
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and translating those insights in a way
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that a patient could hear to foster self-development.
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And the goal of self-analysis really is self-analysis.
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So it's the least intrusive, least coercive treatment
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imaginable.
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But it honed these listening abilities like nothing else.
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And so I think I have that.
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I feel tremendously privileged to have been able to do that
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and to have developed these kinds of abilities.
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And I think if there's any kind of expertise I have,
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it's in this area of being able to comprehend, apprehend,
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absorb, and out of that absorption,
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come up with something that may be insightful.
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So that's about it.
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Aside from that, when I practiced psychiatry here
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in New Zealand, as I said, working with patients
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was always a delight.
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And the patient population I worked with in New Zealand,
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going from complete private practice in the States
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to public psychiatry and dealing with people
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in the throes of mania and psychosis
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and terrible depression and all kinds of social ills,
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I actually loved it.
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I loved it because I loved the patients.
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I loved being able to help them and to bring my skills
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to patients, even though our tools were
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relatively few and blunt.
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Nonetheless, when COVID rolled around, I, like many of you,
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when I heard the story about the bat and the bat soup
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and I saw the images from China and the whole full court
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press of fear and whatnot, I was very dubious.
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And I, very, very suspicious, I began
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to write letters to Parliament here, to the Prime Minister.
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I invade against their nonsensical approach,
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which eliminated natural immunity.
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I did not mention one thing about treatment whatsoever.
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That has always been the big, important element
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to what I talk to people about.
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Why, in the midst of a so-called pandemic,
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would there not be a race for symptomatic relief and cure
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and competition to help people?
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of an approach to that.
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I always got these formal thank yous, but no actual engagement.
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for Freedom, a very important group here in the New Zealand
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landscape, and whatnot.
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into the medical council because I had the temerity
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to talk about having reservations about the jab
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and the temerity to talk about early treatment
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and natural immunity and the lack of science
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behind masks and distancing and lockdown, the usual thing.
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before the mandates came in.
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I had a big cross on my back at that time,
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and they were going to make my life difficult there.
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of the system, which was crumbling before my eyes
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through the resignation, a very nice guy.
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would be in November, he said, oh, that's just the formality.
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You might as well keep your license, keep practicing,
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do private practice, do some whatever.
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certificate, I found that it had been suspended.
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his heads were kind of put on a stake at the very beginning
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to make sure that other doctors in New Zealand, the other 20,000
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or so, wouldn't say a word about anything
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and go against the narrative that was being promulgated.
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Society for a little bit.
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I didn't want to be part of it.
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It meant giving up my license, giving up my career, et cetera.
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in this kind of a system.
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There is a catch, though.
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The medical counsel here supposedly
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doesn't allow you to leave the medical counsel while there
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is a professional conduct complaint.
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had been laid because I was practicing
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outside the scope of my profession,
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outside the scope of psychiatry, by engaging
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in intelligent exchanges and videos about health matters
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and whatnot.
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or equity law approach.
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which I have to say was quite an achievement given
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how they behaved, how they continue to behave.
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And since that time, I've given lots of talks.
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I've written a lot.
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I've supported the cause here in many ways.
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I was part of the Parliament protest, which
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I want to dwell on a little bit because they were extremely
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important here in New Zealand.
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And I've been a founding member of New Zealand doctors
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speaking out with science, a really good organization that
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is fighting the good fight, et cetera, et cetera.
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So the other people in New Zealand
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who have been working really hard,
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I want to mention Linda Wharton, Liz Lambert, Erica Whittam,
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the girls, the ladies from VFF, Claire Deeks, Ali and Libby,
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and the people at New Zealand doctors, et cetera, et cetera.
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But I think in general, I mean, I felt this is now four years.
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Oh, yeah.
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And one of the things I really wanted to mention too was that
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in March of 2020, there was an error
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that I gave to you, Charles and Stephen,
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in that little blurb I sent.
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The interview, my friends Libby Handros and John Kirby
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began a series called Perspectives on the Pandemic.
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And in March of 2020, they interviewed John Ioannidis,
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a very famous epidemiologist from Stanford.
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I'm sure all of you know about him.
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and erroneous nature of the PCR test and everything else,
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that what he was seeing was something
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that was no worse than a bad seasonal flu.
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to come out very early on from an extremely
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authoritative source.
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They also, in their series of perspectives,
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interviewed two doctors.
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I forget their names.
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They're called the Bakersfield duo.
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They were two doctors, I think, in California,
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and in the ER, running an ER clinic.
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And they said, we're not seeing anything.
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It's not a big deal.
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They put themselves on the line to tell the truth about this.
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And that just cemented my own conviction
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that what we were under was a massive hoax that
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had some kind of other agenda.
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Now, I'd like to say, yeah, I'm not really,
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you know, it didn't take a genius to figure
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this kind of stuff out.
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It just took a little basic common sense.
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the aberrations and how medicine all of a sudden
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got turned upside down, where there was no informed consent.
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For example, the medical council in 2019
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sent out a strongly worded missive
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to everybody about the tremendous importance
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of informed consent.
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If you don't provide informed consent,
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you could be liable to all kinds of action.
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It's the critical, this, that, the other.
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they basically eviscerated informed consent altogether
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and sent out this strangely worded, mealy mouth,
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the abjuration of informed consent,
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telling everyone you have to,
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you can't say anything negative about the jab.
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Really, this is unbelievable.
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And that, but, and I'll get to the medical council
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and their ties to the Federation of State Medical Boards,
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which is critically important to understand
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why this is a globally coordinated event.
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I'll get to that in a little, a few seconds.
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So, so here we are on four years,
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and I think, I think we're tired.
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I think that we felt depressed.
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I think that the smell of fear continues,
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and the real pandemic was this forced pandemic of fear
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to make people absolutely afraid of everything.
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I mean, I was, I can't believe how cowardly
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my fellow people could be,
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afraid to look at their shadows,
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afraid to walk outside, afraid, I mean, I wasn't,
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but that was the, the, the Psiops was so effective
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that people succumbed.
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In New Zealand, we had it really tough.
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They had, we had terrible lockdowns.
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I mean, unbelievable periods of lockdown,
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during which I, as a practitioner, however,
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continued to make home visits.
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I was on leave at the time of the first lockdown.
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I volunteered at a local PHO, a public health organization,
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and did home visits, did prescriptions and things.
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I never wore a mask.
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I refused to wear a mask,
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and I went out and I did my thing.
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But we had, we had two periods of severe lockdowns,
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and then our hypocritical prime, former prime minister,
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you know, ordered these mandates,
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and then she engineered an apartheid society,
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where those who were unjabbed could not go to the theater,
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could not go to a restaurant, could not get a haircut,
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could not do virtually anything.
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And I can't quite describe how onerous that felt
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and how oppressive that felt.
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Fortunately, I was able to manage to do what I needed to do,
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despite my non-jab status.
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And we have a very strong group of people
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who form musicians and other people as well,
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from various backgrounds, who support each other.
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And we were able to meet during this extended period
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of kind of mad times in New Zealand
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with the traffic light system and whatever.
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But it was very disheartening to see so many
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of the fellow citizens, and by the way,
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I'm a dual citizen of the United States and New Zealand,
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fall into this and buy everything
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that the single source of truth, as Jacinda Ardern
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specified herself and her government about COVID.
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Imagine the single source of truth, okay?
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Anytime you get suppression of dissent,
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then you know there's an agenda.
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So I need not tell everybody about that.
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Well, let me get, I wanna talk a little bit about questions
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I get asked all the time.
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Oh, you're a psychiatrist, you gotta tell us about this.
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You gotta tell us about psychology of this.
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So I said, well, I'm a psychiatrist,
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you got your own common sense.
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But let's look at this issue that got a lot of purchase
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a few years ago called mass formation
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to describe how so many people
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bought into what was going on.
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And I've written about this in my sub stack a little bit
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and followed it.
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Let's take the perspective of an ordinary person
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whose reality has been pretty much
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through the mainstream media.
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They followed the big channels, they listened to ABC, NBC,
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or Hear New Zealand, Radio New Zealand,
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and whatever the channels are.
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I don't have a TV, so I don't really follow them
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and all that.
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And their reality is defined by what they've been listening
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to for years, for decades, and sometimes for generations.
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In a way, it's kind of reminiscent to me of Plato's,
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the allegory of Plato's cave in the Republic,
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which I think is probably the single most profound
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psychological, philosophical statement
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in all of Western history and Western philosophy.
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And I wanna go over this a little bit.
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Remember, in the allegory of the cave,
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you have people who are chained in a dark and damp cave,
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and they're looking at shadows on a wall
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that are being projected because images are moving
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in front of a fire that's behind them.
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And so a tree, a human being, or whatever,
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they'll see these shadows on the wall,
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and that's their reality.
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One of the people there escapes from the cave
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and finds out that actually there's a whole other world,
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and that there's a sun out there,
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and there's a world of light, and trees, and flowers,
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and whatnot, and he's overwhelmed,
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and out of compassion for his former
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chained slaves in the cave,
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he goes back to tell them about this.
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He himself is now having a difficult time
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in the confines of the cave,
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and he's treated with skepticism,
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and finally, the people in the cave
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who are convinced that everything they've been seeing
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is the truth and the only reality, plot to kill them.
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So it's a tremendous metaphor,
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and I think it works very well to explain
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exactly what's happened to people around us.
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I don't think it's a case of so-called mass formation.
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I think it's a case of people whose reality
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has been what they've seen and heard
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from established sources,
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and who cannot break themselves away from that reality,
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and have a hard time admitting and acknowledging
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that there is indeed any other reality beyond that.
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I've lost friends over my position about COVID.
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I think many of you must have as well.
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I've had family disputes.
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I've had one family member say,
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"'You're crazy, and don't talk to me,
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"'and you cannot talk to me about this ever again.'"
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So I think that's the fallout,
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and at a recent dinner with three other friends of mine
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just last weekend, we were all sort of discoursing
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on our former friendships, the friendships we've lost,
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the former liberals that were so intelligent
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and with whom we associated,
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who were complete and utter Covidians
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and would line up to get every jab possible.
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And our feeling was, well, we've created new friendships,
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we've made new alliances, and it's very, very hard
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to continue an association with people
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who fundamentally remain within a certain circumscribed box.
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And I'll be quite frank with you, it's been very difficult.
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As I said, I've had some friends of 40 years
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email me and say, we're through,
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like they're divorcing me, some sort of friendship.
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I said, well, why can't you,
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this is, can't you tolerate my opinion?
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Speaking of which, in my rambling here,
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I wanted to mention that the new virus issue came up,
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and just yesterday, or the day before, I got an email,
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and I wrote about this in my last upstack,
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from someone who said,
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unless I admitted that viruses didn't exist,
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I was either a liar,
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an ignoramus, or a controlled opposition.
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So my response was, well, if I'm controlled opposition,
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I've been accused of this before,
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show me the money, I don't have a new car,
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I haven't been on vacations, I'm scraping by,
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show me all the emoluments I'm getting
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from being such a controlled opposition,
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such an influential person,
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so to speak, so I'm either a liar, or an ignoramus,
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or both, whatever, and what was so ironic is that,
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here's a person, this is a person in the freedom movement,
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supposed to be espousing the cause of freedom of expression,
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0:29:35
and open debate, and open exchange,
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0:29:37
who will not tolerate any divergence
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0:29:37
0:29:40
from his or her opinion.
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0:29:40
0:29:42
So if that's what you're gonna do,
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0:29:44
you're no better than what we're up against,
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0:29:48
which is a tyranny, and of that I have no doubt, okay?
585
0:29:50
0:29:52
I wanted to make a few comments about my substack
586
0:29:52
0:29:53
and the essays that I write.
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0:29:56
I decided to have a substack because I wanted to have
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0:30:00
a repository for things that I thought were worth preserving
589
0:30:00
0:30:04
in my writing, and I consider myself an essayist primarily,
590
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0:30:07
although occasionally I will break a little story,
591
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0:30:10
such as exemptions from the jab in New Zealand
592
0:30:10
0:30:11
and a few other things,
593
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0:30:16
but I really don't write for,
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0:30:18
I don't write for any agenda,
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0:30:21
except what I believe I need to say,
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0:30:23
or what I think is important to say.
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0:30:23
0:30:25
I don't write to get subscriptions,
598
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0:30:29
I don't write to get anything from anybody,
599
0:30:29
0:30:30
I don't even write for an audience.
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0:30:34
I only write what I believe I feel I need to say,
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0:30:37
and I think is worthy of expression, period.
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0:30:37
0:30:40
So in that, it frees me up from any of the chains
603
0:30:40
0:30:45
that a lot of people, if you're a newspaper writer
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0:30:45
0:30:47
and you gotta put an article out every week
605
0:30:47
0:30:50
and you got a certain audience segment
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0:30:50
0:30:53
that you have to pitch to all the time,
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0:30:53
0:30:56
you're always churning something out in a certain direction.
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0:30:56
0:30:59
I don't have to do that, I don't have to write anything,
609
0:30:59
0:31:01
I don't have to do anything like that,
610
0:31:01
0:31:05
so I feel as if I'm as close to independence as I can be,
611
0:31:05
0:31:07
although there are always unconscious factors,
612
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0:31:10
and you might be swayed by comments people make
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0:31:11
0:31:13
that goes on no matter what.
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0:31:13
0:31:15
But that's where I come from.
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0:31:19
I've been particularly concerned with the use of power
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0:31:23
and what power has done and what power does,
617
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0:31:28
which is power is never satisfied with the power it has,
618
0:31:28
0:31:30
it always seeks to augment itself.
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0:31:30
0:31:34
And we're in an age where the tremendous technological
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0:31:38
and computational abilities that have occurred
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0:31:38
0:31:41
allow the greatest exercise of power
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0:31:44
with the least effort than ever in history.
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0:31:45
0:31:48
You know, when Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar
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0:31:53
were constrained by the technologies of their day,
625
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0:31:56
which were rudimentary compared to ours
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0:31:58
and which involved masses of men and armies
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0:32:01
and the kind of force they exerted.
628
0:32:01
0:32:06
And here, the concentration of force and power
629
0:32:06
0:32:07
has been immense.
630
0:32:07
0:32:11
And I think we saw it deployed in COVID,
631
0:32:11
0:32:13
in the COVID operation.
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0:32:19
0:32:22
With this, in this area too,
633
0:32:22
0:32:25
I wanted to comment a little bit about communications.
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0:32:29
And I'll begin this with kind of an anecdote.
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0:32:29
0:32:33
Way back in the 70s, I think, I went to my dentist
636
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0:32:36
after I returned from Ireland.
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0:32:39
And I was in the waiting room and I saw this magazine
638
0:32:39
0:32:44
on the tabletop and it was People Magazine.
639
0:32:44
0:32:45
It was this new thing.
640
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0:32:47
I looked at it and I said,
641
0:32:47
0:32:49
my God, who's gonna read this crap?
642
0:32:49
0:32:51
And I just kind of threw it aside.
643
0:32:51
0:32:54
Well, as we know, People Magazine became
644
0:32:54
0:32:58
like an enormously huge hit, right?
645
0:32:58
0:33:00
20 years ago, when Facebook came out,
646
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0:33:02
I said something similar like,
647
0:33:02
0:33:05
who the hell is gonna waste their time with this thing?
648
0:33:05
0:33:07
Well, all right, so I have some shortcomings
649
0:33:07
0:33:10
in my ability to perceive what's gonna be popular
650
0:33:10
0:33:12
and what's gonna reach people.
651
0:33:12
0:33:14
But what I've noticed though,
652
0:33:14
0:33:17
is that there has been in communication
653
0:33:18
0:33:20
and in reading and exchange,
654
0:33:20
0:33:22
there's been such an infantilization
655
0:33:22
0:33:26
of the way we communicate with the so-called social media.
656
0:33:26
0:33:30
I mean, this whole idea of anything you do
657
0:33:30
0:33:34
has to be rated or can be rated with a like or a dislike
658
0:33:34
0:33:37
or thumbs up.
659
0:33:37
0:33:41
This idea that people just wanna read what's current,
660
0:33:41
0:33:44
they don't wanna go beyond what's more than a day old.
661
0:33:44
0:33:47
This idea that things are too long,
662
0:33:47
0:33:49
TLDR, too long, didn't read.
663
0:33:49
0:33:51
People are getting used to just very short,
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0:33:51
0:33:54
brief communications and not wanting to sit down
665
0:33:54
0:33:56
and really delve into something
666
0:33:56
0:33:59
and think about something and reflect upon something.
667
0:34:00
0:34:05
And the connection with the total surveillance,
668
0:34:06
0:34:09
there's almost nothing one can do nowadays
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0:34:09
0:34:13
that is gonna be forgotten.
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0:34:13
0:34:17
If you have some kind of slip when you're 25,
671
0:34:17
0:34:19
that's gonna be recorded somewhere
672
0:34:19
0:34:21
and it'll be held to account.
673
0:34:21
0:34:24
These social media accounts are being invaded
674
0:34:24
0:34:27
by other people and used against you.
675
0:34:27
0:34:29
We saw what happened with the Canadian truckers
676
0:34:30
0:34:32
and how their bank accounts were frozen.
677
0:34:32
0:34:35
So this total digital surveillance
678
0:34:35
0:34:40
and this infantilized feedback loop of small,
679
0:34:40
0:34:44
quick communication to me is kind of a nightmare,
680
0:34:44
0:34:46
but I don't think it's gonna go away anytime soon.
681
0:34:46
0:34:48
I don't have any solution for that
682
0:34:48
0:34:51
except that I try to keep that to a minimum.
683
0:34:51
0:34:56
I try to read, I tried to read in a considered way,
684
0:34:57
0:35:00
away from the screen and try to absorb things
685
0:35:00
0:35:05
and communicate things when I feel I've gathered enough heft
686
0:35:05
0:35:06
to communicate them.
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0:35:08
0:35:12
In New Zealand, well, I mentioned briefly
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0:35:15
the Federation of State Medical Boards.
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0:35:15
0:35:16
I don't know how many people are aware
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0:35:19
of the Federation of State Medical Boards.
691
0:35:19
0:35:23
It's a private organization founded in 1911
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0:35:23
0:35:25
and it basically has assumed the role
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0:35:25
0:35:27
of regulating all of the state medical boards
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0:35:31
in the United States and through its international arm,
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0:35:31
0:35:35
the International Association of Medical Regulatory Agencies
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0:35:37
around the world.
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0:35:37
0:35:39
Ireland is a member.
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0:35:40
0:35:41
The Medical Council of New Zealand
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0:35:43
is very strongly associated.
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0:35:45
In fact, the former CEO of the Medical Council
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0:35:45
0:35:48
is now the chair of the IAMRA,
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0:35:48
0:35:50
the International Arm of the Federation
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0:35:50
0:35:51
of State Medical Boards.
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0:35:51
0:35:55
And I think this has been a mafia situation
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0:35:55
0:35:57
where they have controlled
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0:35:57
0:35:59
what is going on around the world.
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0:35:59
0:36:04
So any doctors like Dr. Waters or Billy Rolfe or myself
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0:36:04
0:36:07
or Peter Canaday here in New Zealand or Matt Shelton
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0:36:07
0:36:11
who have dared to raise objections to the agenda
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0:36:11
0:36:15
have been singled out, have been harassed, persecuted,
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0:36:15
0:36:17
held up as examples and therefore,
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0:36:20
everyone else has been silenced.
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0:36:20
0:36:23
As I speak now, the Medical Council continues
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0:36:26
to harass and persecute good colleagues
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0:36:26
0:36:30
for things like having prescribed ivermectin,
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0:36:30
0:36:32
having provided informed consent.
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0:36:33
0:36:36
I mean, it's beyond insanity,
718
0:36:36
0:36:41
but it speaks to a frankly malicious purpose.
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0:36:41
0:36:44
They're going after us, they continue to go after us,
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0:36:44
0:36:48
they're relentless, they're charging people with huge fines.
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0:36:48
0:36:50
I did an interview with Peter Canaday,
722
0:36:50
0:36:52
who was an American who was working here in New Zealand,
723
0:36:52
0:36:55
wonderful man, who was hold before
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0:36:55
0:36:58
the Health Professionals Disciplinary Tribunal.
725
0:36:58
0:37:03
He composed a 70 page brief that was titanium clad
726
0:37:03
0:37:06
and so perfect in his defense.
727
0:37:06
0:37:10
And despite that, they found against him.
728
0:37:10
0:37:14
And he now is, they made it so that he can't even practice
729
0:37:14
0:37:17
in the states where he's returned because of malpractice,
730
0:37:17
0:37:19
he can't get malpractice insurance,
731
0:37:19
0:37:22
thanks to the brouhaha that occurred here
732
0:37:22
0:37:26
with the Medical Council and the HPDT.
733
0:37:26
0:37:29
So they're vicious, they're going after us
734
0:37:29
0:37:31
and we're trying to fight back.
735
0:37:31
0:37:36
The New Zealand doctors SOS has some legal stuff
736
0:37:36
0:37:39
in the works to go against the Medical Council.
737
0:37:39
0:37:41
We're trying to put our heads together to strategize,
738
0:37:41
0:37:43
but it's very difficult.
739
0:37:44
0:37:47
So that connection though, I've written about that
740
0:37:47
0:37:49
in my SUPSAC and Children's Health Defense.
741
0:37:49
0:37:53
And my friend Bruce Dooley has given a long interview
742
0:37:53
0:37:54
about the Federation of State Medical Boards.
743
0:37:54
0:37:57
He's also here in New Zealand from America.
744
0:37:57
0:38:00
And it's an organization to keep in mind
745
0:38:00
0:38:04
because they really are coordinating these various attacks
746
0:38:04
0:38:07
against physicians around the world, not just in the states.
747
0:38:10
0:38:15
Well, my impression generally about the whole COVID PsiOPS
748
0:38:16
0:38:20
is that I see no other explanation,
749
0:38:20
0:38:24
but that it was an organized affair.
750
0:38:24
0:38:26
It was globally coordinated.
751
0:38:26
0:38:29
The whole world was shut down.
752
0:38:29
0:38:31
I don't have any truck with people who say,
753
0:38:31
0:38:34
well, it was something that kind of
754
0:38:34
0:38:37
spontaneously arose organically and that,
755
0:38:37
0:38:42
the lockdowns just occurred because of an organic process
756
0:38:42
0:38:46
or people fell in line because of some spontaneous chicanery.
757
0:38:46
0:38:47
No, I think there's no question.
758
0:38:47
0:38:51
This was coordinated, it was deliberate.
759
0:38:51
0:38:54
I myself believe that there was a COVID virus
760
0:38:54
0:38:59
or some kind of pathogen that itself was somewhat harmful,
761
0:39:01
0:39:06
like the first shot of a two punch combination,
762
0:39:06
0:39:11
that the jab itself was deliberately manufactured
763
0:39:11
0:39:15
to be harmful and even lethal.
764
0:39:15
0:39:17
Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't variabilities
765
0:39:17
0:39:20
in the effects of the jab across the world.
766
0:39:20
0:39:25
And I think that we heard Dr. Bhakta yesterday,
767
0:39:26
0:39:29
the other day actually talked about the necessity
768
0:39:29
0:39:32
to keep the Pfizer, I know that in New Zealand,
769
0:39:32
0:39:34
we had the Pfizer jab initially,
770
0:39:34
0:39:36
and you had to keep it at sub-freezing temperatures
771
0:39:36
0:39:38
for it to be viable.
772
0:39:38
0:39:43
I can guarantee that they did not throughout all of New Zealand
773
0:39:43
0:39:46
keep those Pfizer jabs
774
0:39:46
0:39:49
in the appropriate refrigerated condition everywhere.
775
0:39:49
0:39:53
And that may account for a lot of the variability of response
776
0:39:53
0:39:55
and it may account for some of the variability of response
777
0:39:55
0:39:57
around the world as well.
778
0:39:57
0:40:00
In any case, I never saw any need to have a jab.
779
0:40:00
0:40:02
I thought it was unnecessary.
780
0:40:03
0:40:04
I thought it was potentially dangerous
781
0:40:04
0:40:06
at the very, very beginning.
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0:40:06
0:40:10
And I think that my sentiments have been proved.
783
0:40:15
0:40:17
The final issue that I would bring up today
784
0:40:17
0:40:21
would be the issue of people are people
785
0:40:21
0:40:23
no matter where they are, no matter what groups they are,
786
0:40:23
0:40:26
whether in their, on our side or on the other side
787
0:40:26
0:40:28
or what have you.
788
0:40:28
0:40:33
And I'm very frustrated with the overly simplistic
789
0:40:34
0:40:36
and black and white thinking that has emerged
790
0:40:37
0:40:40
in the freedom movement, for example,
791
0:40:40
0:40:45
where I've heard such things as some people will say
792
0:40:46
0:40:50
that Big Pharma has never produced any medication
793
0:40:50
0:40:51
that's any good.
794
0:40:52
0:40:57
And I have to say, well, I don't know about that.
795
0:40:57
0:40:58
I'm not so sure about that.
796
0:40:58
0:41:02
I think there's a kind of a degeneration
797
0:41:02
0:41:07
into very simplistic primitive ways of thinking,
798
0:41:08
0:41:12
such as are characterized by that correspondent who told me
799
0:41:12
0:41:14
I've got to be, I'm a liar or ignorant
800
0:41:14
0:41:15
or a controlled opposition,
801
0:41:15
0:41:17
so I don't believe what he says.
802
0:41:17
0:41:20
No, we've got to really be civilized adults
803
0:41:20
0:41:22
and have an open exchange.
804
0:41:22
0:41:25
Now, this brings me to the parliament protests.
805
0:41:25
0:41:27
This is important.
806
0:41:27
0:41:29
I don't want to forget this.
807
0:41:30
0:41:33
We, in the aftermath of the inspiration
808
0:41:33
0:41:37
from the Canadian truckers here in New Zealand in 2022,
809
0:41:37
0:41:40
organized an occupation of parliament grounds
810
0:41:40
0:41:44
in February of 2022 that was ended
811
0:41:44
0:41:46
by an illegal police invasion,
812
0:41:46
0:41:49
I think in March 1st to March 2nd of 2022.
813
0:41:49
0:41:51
I was there every day.
814
0:41:51
0:41:52
I gave many talks.
815
0:41:52
0:41:54
I gave talks on the opening day for them
816
0:41:54
0:41:56
when the convoy came.
817
0:41:56
0:41:59
And it was a beautiful event that drew people
818
0:41:59
0:42:04
from all around the country in unified against mandates.
819
0:42:07
0:42:10
We were unified against the violation of human rights,
820
0:42:10
0:42:13
which I think is the fulcrum of everything.
821
0:42:15
0:42:16
There's a little story about this.
822
0:42:16
0:42:19
So since I don't follow general media, I didn't realize,
823
0:42:19
0:42:23
but we were portrayed as the worst of the worst.
824
0:42:23
0:42:24
It was considered to be the filthiest,
825
0:42:24
0:42:26
dirtiest bunch of people ever.
826
0:42:26
0:42:31
And the typical things you'd find from propaganda.
827
0:42:31
0:42:35
But in fact, I have to say it was the most important
828
0:42:35
0:42:38
social experience of my life to have been part of that,
829
0:42:38
0:42:42
that great gathering, beautiful gathering of people
830
0:42:42
0:42:47
united peacefully, lovingly for freedom.
831
0:42:47
0:42:50
And every time I gave a talk,
832
0:42:50
0:42:52
I would look, I'd go up and look at parliament
833
0:42:52
0:42:56
and ask someone to come down and have a word with us.
834
0:42:56
0:43:01
Not one time during that entire protest
835
0:43:01
0:43:04
did any member of government come down and say,
836
0:43:04
0:43:06
hey, let's talk.
837
0:43:06
0:43:08
Let's listen to what you have to say.
838
0:43:09
0:43:11
It's astonishing.
839
0:43:11
0:43:15
They indulge in pure tactics like blasting loud music
840
0:43:15
0:43:18
at nights so people couldn't sleep, loud, terrible music.
841
0:43:18
0:43:20
I mean, it was insane.
842
0:43:20
0:43:20
But think of this.
843
0:43:20
0:43:23
If I were prime minister,
844
0:43:23
0:43:26
wouldn't it have been a beautiful win for me to say,
845
0:43:26
0:43:29
okay, listen, let's go down, let's have a little chat.
846
0:43:29
0:43:31
And then I could tell everybody
847
0:43:31
0:43:32
I had this chat with these people.
848
0:43:32
0:43:35
Of course, they're all crazy, but we did our bit
849
0:43:35
0:43:37
and we were accommodating and we showed
850
0:43:37
0:43:39
how wonderful we are.
851
0:43:39
0:43:43
They couldn't even do that.
852
0:43:43
0:43:44
They made a determined effort
853
0:43:44
0:43:47
not to have any truck with anyone there,
854
0:43:47
0:43:49
not to have any exchange whatsoever.
855
0:43:50
0:43:52
But the protests, I think, were felt.
856
0:43:52
0:43:55
Now, two other things about that.
857
0:43:58
0:44:01
The day before that police invasion,
858
0:44:02
0:44:04
I was part of a negotiating team
859
0:44:04
0:44:06
that was to meet with the police
860
0:44:06
0:44:09
and Maori representatives and other people, lawyers,
861
0:44:09
0:44:11
to kind of negotiate a settlement
862
0:44:11
0:44:12
because the feeling had been,
863
0:44:12
0:44:15
this is going on now for a long time, over a month,
864
0:44:15
0:44:19
and we need to bring this to an end in some peaceful way
865
0:44:19
0:44:21
and let's talk.
866
0:44:21
0:44:24
And at the last minute, the police did not show up
867
0:44:24
0:44:25
to that negotiating session.
868
0:44:26
0:44:30
So I was driving home, I drove home by the police station
869
0:44:30
0:44:33
and lo and behold, the entire street
870
0:44:33
0:44:38
where the Wellington police station resides
871
0:44:38
0:44:40
had been full of these unmarked white vans,
872
0:44:40
0:44:42
white or gray vans.
873
0:44:44
0:44:47
I went right back to the protest grounds.
874
0:44:47
0:44:48
I told everybody I could.
875
0:44:48
0:44:49
I informed everyone, I said,
876
0:44:49
0:44:52
listen, they're getting ready to do something.
877
0:44:52
0:44:55
They're gonna come in tomorrow morning and be prepared.
878
0:44:55
0:44:57
Tell everybody, get the word out.
879
0:44:57
0:44:59
Hopefully we can, you know, do what you've gotta do.
880
0:44:59
0:45:04
I told every media person I knew, the filmmakers, everybody.
881
0:45:04
0:45:05
Half the people there said,
882
0:45:05
0:45:08
oh, don't worry about it, it's nothing.
883
0:45:08
0:45:09
The other half took me seriously.
884
0:45:11
0:45:13
And it turned out I proved right
885
0:45:13
0:45:17
because they came in and invaded the place the next morning.
886
0:45:17
0:45:18
But before that happened,
887
0:45:18
0:45:22
I went home and I was part of a Zoom session,
888
0:45:22
0:45:24
a Zoom meeting with the human rights commissioner
889
0:45:24
0:45:26
here in New Zealand, Paul Hunt.
890
0:45:27
0:45:30
And I was a silent observer to that.
891
0:45:30
0:45:33
And he went through this whole rigamarole
892
0:45:33
0:45:35
with all these people talking about the mandates
893
0:45:35
0:45:37
and the protests.
894
0:45:37
0:45:40
And I know from someone in his office that he was told
895
0:45:42
0:45:47
that he should make his presence felt
896
0:45:47
0:45:50
at the protests should any kind of police action occur
897
0:45:52
0:45:54
so as to protect human rights.
898
0:45:54
0:45:56
Actually, I'm fairly certain he knew
899
0:45:56
0:45:58
that the invasion was gonna occur the next morning.
900
0:45:58
0:46:00
And all he had to do was walk down there
901
0:46:00
0:46:02
and just be there as a presence
902
0:46:02
0:46:04
to prevent the brutality that occurred.
903
0:46:04
0:46:06
He didn't do that.
904
0:46:06
0:46:08
So the next morning, the police came in,
905
0:46:08
0:46:11
they fired rubber bullets at people,
906
0:46:11
0:46:13
they did all kinds of terrible things.
907
0:46:13
0:46:17
And it was a show of force that was a real stain.
908
0:46:17
0:46:19
And if those of you who are interested in this,
909
0:46:19
0:46:21
there's a wonderful film called River of Freedom
910
0:46:21
0:46:25
that I've put a link to in the material I sent to Charles
911
0:46:25
0:46:28
and Stephen.
912
0:46:28
0:46:30
And it's a beautiful film.
913
0:46:30
0:46:34
And that link, Manny, is on the invitation
914
0:46:34
0:46:36
that everybody got.
915
0:46:36
0:46:37
You didn't get an email invitation?
916
0:46:37
0:46:39
Oh, great, yeah, exactly.
917
0:46:39
0:46:41
Then ask. That's great, yeah.
918
0:46:41
0:46:43
And that's really, it's a really beautiful,
919
0:46:43
0:46:44
remarkable film.
920
0:46:44
0:46:49
And so anyway, so that's pretty much,
921
0:46:50
0:46:52
I think, what I have to say for today.
922
0:46:53
0:46:56
I really appreciated hearing Dr. Bhakdi the other day
923
0:46:57
0:47:00
as well, since he was one of the people
924
0:47:00
0:47:02
that my friends interviewed for their perspective series,
925
0:47:02
0:47:04
interviewed a lot of people.
926
0:47:04
0:47:08
And it's kind of like an historical record for posterity
927
0:47:08
0:47:11
of what we've been through, which is very valuable.
929
0:47:14
0:47:16
Very good, Manny.
930
0:47:16
0:47:20
Thank you so much for sharing your journey.
931
0:47:20
0:47:23
I think it's a very important testimony.
932
0:47:23
0:47:28
And this recording will be valuable to a lot of people.
933
0:47:28
0:47:33
I cannot believe what happened in New Zealand and Australia.
934
0:47:33
0:47:34
Australia, not much different.
935
0:47:34
0:47:38
The militarized edition of police.
936
0:47:38
0:47:41
But one of the wonderful, wonderful things
937
0:47:41
0:47:44
you mentioned about the loss of friends,
938
0:47:44
0:47:45
we've all lost friends, but look at the hundreds
939
0:47:45
0:47:48
of new friends we've got on this platform, hey?
940
0:47:48
0:47:50
And all the other platforms that we're on.
941
0:47:50
0:47:52
And as we've often said in this group,
942
0:47:52
0:47:54
and I remind people watching this recording,
943
0:47:54
0:47:56
don't worry about the friends you've lost.
944
0:47:56
0:47:58
Look at the new friends you've got.
945
0:47:58
0:48:00
And the feedback I've had almost universally
946
0:48:00
0:48:05
is that the quality, the foundation for the new friendships
947
0:48:05
0:48:07
is a foundation built on freedom and truth
948
0:48:07
0:48:09
and ethics.
949
0:48:09
0:48:12
So it's a pretty powerful basis for having a relationship.
950
0:48:12
0:48:14
So when you get together with somebody,
951
0:48:14
0:48:16
you don't talk shit about football.
952
0:48:16
0:48:18
You talk about real stuff.
953
0:48:19
0:48:22
So it is truly a wonderful benefit.
954
0:48:22
0:48:27
The other wonderful benefit is that
955
0:48:28
0:48:32
I've been following the work of Del Bigtree
956
0:48:32
0:48:36
since he started, Andy Wakefield, from the early days,
957
0:48:36
0:48:37
for 13 years.
958
0:48:37
0:48:42
And this was brought to my attention
959
0:48:43
0:48:45
in my work as a legal strategist.
960
0:48:45
0:48:48
I was helping a lawyer in Australia.
961
0:48:49
0:48:52
And I was horrified 13 years ago
962
0:48:52
0:48:55
when I discovered the truth about vaccines.
963
0:48:55
0:49:00
And this lawyer was trying to help families in Australia.
964
0:49:00
0:49:04
And I'm wondering whether any of you in other countries
965
0:49:04
0:49:09
have this experience, but not one vaccine damage case
966
0:49:09
0:49:13
has succeeded in the courts in Australia ever.
967
0:49:13
0:49:16
And I also point out that not one proper test
968
0:49:19
0:49:21
has been done on the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
969
0:49:21
0:49:25
And in America, of course, since 1986,
970
0:49:25
0:49:29
we know the immunity given to pharmaceutical companies.
971
0:49:30
0:49:35
But COVID, look at the gift of COVID, everybody.
972
0:49:35
0:49:38
And I just urge us to, don't get down in the dumps.
973
0:49:38
0:49:40
I mean, there's some amazing stuff happening
974
0:49:40
0:49:43
on the border between Mexico and the US.
975
0:49:43
0:49:45
America is being invaded and Lee Vleet,
976
0:49:45
0:49:48
who's presented to us here.
977
0:49:48
0:49:51
This is urgent, urgent issue, everybody.
978
0:49:51
0:49:56
There are amazing young men ready to invade America.
979
0:49:57
0:50:02
And what COVID, the gift of COVID is how many people,
980
0:50:02
0:50:06
maybe 20% of the population, 30% of the population,
981
0:50:06
0:50:08
maybe more have been woken up many
982
0:50:08
0:50:10
to the dangers of these jabs.
983
0:50:10
0:50:12
That is an extraordinary gift.
984
0:50:12
0:50:13
Well, that's true.
985
0:50:13
0:50:13
Let me say this.
986
0:50:13
0:50:15
And Charles, let me say this.
987
0:50:15
0:50:16
You know, I've grown along.
988
0:50:16
0:50:19
I had my kids vaccinated with the usual schedules.
989
0:50:19
0:50:23
As a kid myself, I think I got three vaccinations,
990
0:50:23
0:50:25
the oral, the polio, the COVID,
991
0:50:26
0:50:30
and maybe the tetanus and diphtheria, whatever.
992
0:50:30
0:50:35
But I've only woken up relatively recently
993
0:50:35
0:50:38
to the truth about the whole schedule
994
0:50:38
0:50:41
of all of these vaccinations and the effects
995
0:50:41
0:50:44
and the work of Wakefield and RFK Jr.
996
0:50:44
0:50:48
and Judy Mikevitz, all these people.
997
0:50:48
0:50:51
I would never, I will never take another jab in my life.
998
0:50:51
0:50:54
I would never encourage anyone to take another jab
999
0:50:54
0:50:56
of any sort like this.
1000
0:50:56
0:51:00
And so I would say, yeah, I'm a proud anti-vaxxer,
1001
0:51:00
0:51:02
given what they've done with them,
1002
0:51:02
0:51:06
given how they're used, given, you know,
1003
0:51:06
0:51:08
but these were things we thought of as mother's milk.
1004
0:51:08
0:51:09
When I went to medical school,
1005
0:51:09
0:51:11
one of my first interviews was
1006
0:51:11
0:51:13
with a renowned cardiologist, okay?
1007
0:51:14
0:51:17
And he talked about his ideals
1008
0:51:17
0:51:22
and Pasteur was his great idol.
1009
0:51:22
0:51:24
And he recommended the biography by Valerie Radeau
1010
0:51:24
0:51:27
about Pasteur because of vaccination.
1011
0:51:27
0:51:29
And I read the biography, you know, and all that.
1012
0:51:29
0:51:31
We were not told very much about vaccinations
1013
0:51:31
0:51:34
in medical school at all, except that you just gave them
1014
0:51:34
0:51:35
and they were wonderful.
1015
0:51:35
0:51:39
They were like the apex of medical lists in a way.
1016
0:51:39
0:51:41
So I grew up thinking, yeah,
1017
0:51:41
0:51:43
I don't give them a second thought.
1018
0:51:43
0:51:44
And now you're right.
1019
0:51:44
0:51:46
We have all had our eyes open.
1020
0:51:46
0:51:48
We can't not but have our eyes opened
1021
0:51:48
0:51:51
to these kinds of things and to the immune system
1022
0:51:51
0:51:54
and to how they're, what are they doing
1023
0:51:54
0:51:55
to the immune system?
1024
0:51:55
0:51:58
Forget about the mRNA, but just the ordinary schedule.
1025
0:52:00
0:52:02
There's a lot to be learned.
1026
0:52:02
0:52:07
And COVID has been the biggest litmus test in world history
1027
0:52:07
0:52:12
and it has rent the veil behind the corruption
1028
0:52:13
0:52:16
in front of the corruption of these institutions
1029
0:52:16
0:52:19
that I used to revere, many of us revered,
1030
0:52:19
0:52:22
we thought had our backs, were protective, were wonderful.
1031
0:52:22
0:52:27
The CDC, the FDA, the NIAID,
1032
0:52:27
0:52:30
all these great institutions here that conspired
1033
0:52:30
0:52:34
to go against the people, to hurt us.
1034
0:52:34
0:52:37
And that, right, so we're awake.
1035
0:52:37
0:52:40
And I was reading this paper by Lurie Rushko,
1036
0:52:40
0:52:42
I think you probably know about this.
1037
0:52:42
0:52:43
He just wrote something very interesting,
1038
0:52:43
0:52:45
tying things together.
1039
0:52:45
0:52:49
We have to go from the great awakening to the great uprising.
1040
0:52:49
0:52:52
And I hope we're on the verge of doing that.
1041
0:52:52
0:52:55
And I believe that America is gonna lead the way
1042
0:52:55
0:52:58
in that we need America.
1043
0:52:58
0:53:00
I'm a constitutionalist, I was on an interview
1044
0:53:00
0:53:01
with the Breggins and we were both talking
1045
0:53:01
0:53:03
about how we viewed ourselves.
1046
0:53:03
0:53:07
And I consider myself a constitutionalist.
1047
0:53:07
0:53:09
I grew up in the city where the Declaration of Independence
1048
0:53:09
0:53:12
was signed, constitution was formulated.
1049
0:53:12
0:53:16
And the principles of those documents,
1050
0:53:16
0:53:19
the principles are beautiful and immutable.
1051
0:53:20
0:53:23
People tend to take principles and degrade them,
1052
0:53:23
0:53:25
as we know, and abuse them.
1053
0:53:25
0:53:27
I'm not talking about the abuse of degradation,
1054
0:53:27
0:53:29
talking about the principles themselves.
1055
0:53:29
0:53:33
Unalienable rights, we have unalienable rights.
1056
0:53:34
0:53:38
Beautifully said, Manny, and that's what we have,
1057
0:53:38
0:53:39
and that's why we come to these meetings,
1058
0:53:39
0:53:43
to be reminded about your inalienable rights.
1059
0:53:43
0:53:46
Okay, Stephen, next 15 minutes is all yours.
1060
0:53:46
0:53:50
And gosh, Stephen, I know you could ask questions
1061
0:53:50
0:53:53
for an hour and a half, so this is gonna be close.
1062
0:53:54
0:53:58
So Emmanuel, that was a great presentation.
1063
0:53:58
0:54:01
It was kind of low key, and you're very modest,
1064
0:54:01
0:54:03
but beneath everything, you're very insightful,
1065
0:54:03
0:54:05
I think, I think you know that.
1066
0:54:05
0:54:10
And that's why Michel Strostovsky recommended you to me,
1067
0:54:10
0:54:13
unconditionally, in fact, he chose you as the best,
1068
0:54:14
0:54:17
the best in the world on this analysis that you've just done.
1069
0:54:17
0:54:21
So he said I should get in touch with you.
1070
0:54:21
0:54:23
I did get in touch with you, but just so happened
1071
0:54:23
0:54:26
that you couldn't appear that particular day
1072
0:54:26
0:54:31
that we had pre, and then I forgot, I'm sorry about that.
1073
0:54:31
0:54:33
There are just so many suggestions,
1074
0:54:33
0:54:36
so I can hardly keep up with the suggestions,
1075
0:54:36
0:54:38
nevermind arranging it all.
1076
0:54:39
0:54:43
So I wanted to ask you, I was very interested in you
1077
0:54:43
0:54:47
talking about listening all day long, 50 minutes,
1078
0:54:47
0:54:49
was it seven or eight sessions a day?
1079
0:54:49
0:54:53
Or sometimes 10, yeah, yeah, sometimes 10.
1080
0:54:53
0:54:55
10, wow.
1081
0:54:55
0:54:57
That's a lot of listening in a day.
1082
0:54:57
0:54:59
I don't think I could do that, but anyway,
1083
0:54:59
0:55:02
I was quite good at listening, but I didn't,
1084
0:55:02
0:55:05
I don't, even I would have said that I wasn't listening,
1085
0:55:05
0:55:08
I interrupted people, but I was very good at kind of,
1086
0:55:09
0:55:11
I realized now I was very good at picking up
1087
0:55:11
0:55:16
the essence of what people were saying very quickly,
1088
0:55:17
0:55:19
and then getting a bit, not bored,
1089
0:55:19
0:55:22
but wanting to ask further questions.
1090
0:55:22
0:55:23
You understand me?
1091
0:55:23
0:55:25
Yeah, sure.
1092
0:55:25
0:55:28
So I wanted to ask you, we haven't had a psychiatrist
1093
0:55:29
0:55:34
as a guest, we've got a few members who are psychiatrists,
1094
0:55:34
0:55:37
but we have had psychologists,
1095
0:55:37
0:55:42
and we've had Matthias Desmet, you know,
1096
0:55:42
0:55:45
so he was on mass formation, very interesting,
1097
0:55:45
0:55:46
he knows about totalitarianism,
1098
0:55:46
0:55:48
he's written a book about it,
1099
0:55:48
0:55:52
and then mystifyingly to me,
1100
0:55:53
0:55:56
people were attacking Matthias Desmet,
1101
0:55:57
0:56:00
I don't know whether it was because he was aligned
1102
0:56:00
0:56:02
with Malone, Robert Malone,
1103
0:56:02
0:56:04
but anyway, I couldn't understand that,
1104
0:56:04
0:56:07
I couldn't understand why the Breggins
1105
0:56:07
0:56:11
were so fixed on Matthias Desmet,
1106
0:56:11
0:56:14
and somehow got the feeling,
1107
0:56:14
0:56:15
I don't know whether my perception was right,
1108
0:56:15
0:56:20
that the Breggins were upset that Matthias Desmet
1109
0:56:21
0:56:24
was saying that the people were responsible
1110
0:56:24
0:56:25
for their own mass formation.
1111
0:56:27
0:56:29
I never thought that he was saying that,
1112
0:56:29
0:56:32
I thought it was a misunderstanding.
1113
0:56:32
0:56:35
Anyway, so I wanted to ask you about,
1114
0:56:35
0:56:38
so in my opinion, this whole thing was characterized
1115
0:56:38
0:56:43
by psychological torture of populations around the world,
1116
0:56:45
0:56:48
it was planned, it was evil,
1117
0:56:48
0:56:52
I think the intent was to take people away from their,
1118
0:56:53
0:56:55
what makes them human, from their humanity,
1119
0:56:55
0:56:58
we're highly social animals as you know,
1120
0:56:58
0:57:01
and it's absolutely extraordinary to me
1121
0:57:01
0:57:04
that they sought to isolate human beings
1122
0:57:04
0:57:06
who are highly social animals.
1123
0:57:06
0:57:09
So the point about highly social animals
1124
0:57:09
0:57:13
is if they don't have human contact, human beings, they die,
1125
0:57:15
0:57:18
especially so in early childhood,
1126
0:57:18
0:57:20
but I'm sure it's true of adults as well.
1127
0:57:20
0:57:23
And so I wanted, do you know about the mice?
1128
0:57:23
0:57:25
I know it's mice, I think it was mice,
1129
0:57:25
0:57:27
anyway, the universe 25 experiment.
1130
0:57:28
0:57:32
I wonder what they did to the mice.
1131
0:57:32
0:57:34
If you remember that experiment,
1132
0:57:35
0:57:39
they grew in population, they had everything they wanted,
1133
0:57:39
0:57:43
they had nice quarters initially until it got overpopulated
1134
0:57:46
0:57:50
and then they had as much food as they wanted, I think.
1135
0:57:50
0:57:54
So it wasn't that, but they got, there was overpopulation,
1136
0:57:54
0:57:55
it wasn't overpopulation per se,
1137
0:57:55
0:57:57
but there literally wasn't room,
1138
0:57:57
0:58:01
you know, it was quite big initially, but 200s over,
1139
0:58:01
0:58:03
I think they went up to 10,000 or something.
1140
0:58:03
0:58:07
But it seems that it got to the stage where
1141
0:58:09
0:58:14
the mice were so unhappy in an undefined way
1142
0:58:14
0:58:17
that they stopped, they couldn't breed,
1143
0:58:17
0:58:18
they couldn't reproduce.
1144
0:58:19
0:58:23
And so I think it went down to 150 or something,
1145
0:58:23
0:58:26
and so the guy who was doing the experiment
1146
0:58:26
0:58:29
or the people, he was the leader, I think,
1147
0:58:29
0:58:33
he said that all the mice would die
1148
0:58:33
0:58:35
despite the fact they were down to 150,
1149
0:58:35
0:58:37
there's plenty of room, but they,
1150
0:58:37
0:58:40
so I worked out that it sounded like
1151
0:58:40
0:58:43
they'd lost the will to live.
1152
0:58:43
0:58:46
And so is that what they did with human beings too?
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0:58:46
0:58:48
And reduced them to a state of Stockholm's
1154
0:58:48
0:58:51
or different states of Stockholm syndrome,
1155
0:58:51
0:58:52
which you as a scientist will know
1156
0:58:52
0:58:54
is extremely difficult to treat.
1157
0:58:57
0:58:57
I think it's certainly part of one.
1158
0:58:57
0:59:00
We can talk about Stockholm syndrome.
1159
0:59:00
0:59:02
I think it's part of what they did.
1160
0:59:02
0:59:04
Let me go back, there were some experiments done
1161
0:59:04
0:59:09
on raising infants by a psychoanalytic researcher,
1162
0:59:09
0:59:11
whose name escapes me at the moment,
1163
0:59:11
0:59:14
but one set of, and they were orphans,
1164
0:59:14
0:59:17
one set of orphans were given food,
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0:59:17
0:59:20
all they needed for sustenance,
1166
0:59:20
0:59:22
but they were not talked to and they weren't touched.
1167
0:59:22
0:59:25
And the other set were given the food and nutrients,
1168
0:59:25
0:59:28
but they were touched and they were talked to.
1169
0:59:28
0:59:32
And the orphans who were not touched or talked to
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0:59:32
0:59:33
failed to thrive.
1171
0:59:34
0:59:36
Okay, so it was very clear we need this.
1172
0:59:36
0:59:39
During the lockdowns, remember, they separated,
1173
0:59:39
0:59:44
they did not allow people to attend funerals here.
1174
0:59:44
0:59:48
Okay, they did not allow you to visit your relatives
1175
0:59:48
0:59:49
in a nursing home.
1176
0:59:49
0:59:54
This is torture of the highest quality, inhuman torture.
1177
0:59:54
0:59:58
Okay, and they've also been gaslighting us too.
1178
0:59:58
1:00:00
This is the other thing, you know that movie Gaslight
1179
1:00:00
1:00:03
with Ingrid Bergman and I think Charles Poirier,
1180
1:00:03
1:00:06
you know, he turns the, she knows the gas,
1181
1:00:06
1:00:08
the gas lights go up, you know, everything's fine.
1182
1:00:08
1:00:12
He convinces her that she's crazy when in fact,
1183
1:00:12
1:00:15
she's actually noting what's really reality.
1184
1:00:15
1:00:17
So those of us who have observed these things,
1185
1:00:17
1:00:20
we're the ones that they're trying to gaslight all the time.
1186
1:00:20
1:00:23
So the operation, the operation was massive.
1187
1:00:23
1:00:28
It was incredibly, deviously brilliantly constructed.
1188
1:00:28
1:00:31
And I think a lot of this has to do,
1189
1:00:31
1:00:35
the use of the mask is a brilliant propagandistic tool
1190
1:00:35
1:00:38
in their part, because even the,
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1:00:38
1:00:40
even very highly educated, intelligent,
1192
1:00:40
1:00:42
professional people think, well, the mask,
1193
1:00:42
1:00:44
well, it's gotta do something.
1194
1:00:44
1:00:47
It protects something, right?
1195
1:00:47
1:00:52
And they convinced many, many people that these were essential.
1196
1:00:52
1:00:54
I still see people walking around with masks now.
1197
1:00:54
1:00:59
They're utterly useless and actually are quite damaging as well.
1198
1:00:59
1:01:02
But these are brilliant psychological tools that they know
1199
1:01:02
1:01:05
and have used to great advantage on their part.
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1:01:06
1:01:10
Now, with respect to Desmet and I read Desmet's book.
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1:01:10
1:01:12
I have a little quarrel with Desmet's ideas.
1202
1:01:12
1:01:15
I don't believe mass formation explains all that much.
1203
1:01:17
1:01:19
But I also took issue with this issue.
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1:01:19
1:01:21
He wrote, he had a section in his book
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1:01:21
1:01:23
about the Sierpinski triangle
1206
1:01:23
1:01:26
and how this explained this kind of organic,
1207
1:01:27
1:01:30
I mean, there's a feeling in Desmet
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1:01:30
1:01:35
that it wasn't an elite that who deliberately
1209
1:01:38
1:01:40
perpetrated an agenda.
1210
1:01:40
1:01:41
And I think that's where the quarrel
1211
1:01:41
1:01:43
with the Breggins came from.
1212
1:01:43
1:01:46
So I've read an article about this in my Substack,
1213
1:01:46
1:01:49
if you're interested, it's somewhere listed long articles,
1214
1:01:49
1:01:52
but I talked about it in that regard.
1215
1:01:53
1:01:56
I think when it comes down to this issue,
1216
1:01:56
1:01:59
we're now, there is a dividing line.
1217
1:01:59
1:02:01
If you think that all these lockdowns
1218
1:02:01
1:02:04
and this whole operation occurred
1219
1:02:04
1:02:08
out of some kind of spontaneous organic kind of wildfire,
1220
1:02:09
1:02:11
then you're missing the truth of the matter,
1221
1:02:11
1:02:14
which is that there is a systematic
1222
1:02:14
1:02:18
and a coordinated effort to go after us, the people,
1223
1:02:18
1:02:20
we little people.
1224
1:02:20
1:02:24
I don't see any other way out of that explanation.
1225
1:02:25
1:02:27
So Emmanuel, what do you think about,
1226
1:02:27
1:02:31
so I'm not seeking to divide us further,
1227
1:02:31
1:02:34
but I just am astonished that so many people
1228
1:02:34
1:02:36
are stuck on the vaccinations
1229
1:02:36
1:02:40
and don't consider anything else, not even,
1230
1:02:40
1:02:43
and if I say, oh, I think that populations
1231
1:02:43
1:02:45
were psychologically tortured
1232
1:02:45
1:02:47
or that they raped the souls of human beings
1233
1:02:47
1:02:49
and they intended to do so, I'm told,
1234
1:02:49
1:02:53
oh, no, you can't say that, that's going too far, apparently.
1235
1:02:53
1:02:56
But it seems to me that not exactly what-
1236
1:02:56
1:02:58
You're absolutely right, I'm glad you brought that up.
1237
1:02:58
1:03:01
I too, I'm tired, everybody's so focused on the jab
1238
1:03:01
1:03:03
as if the jab is the only thing.
1239
1:03:03
1:03:06
Well, the jab is one of their tools.
1240
1:03:06
1:03:08
It's one of the parts of their operation.
1241
1:03:08
1:03:10
I think the major one was that-
1242
1:03:10
1:03:12
These other things are what you're talking about.
1243
1:03:13
1:03:16
Fear, remember when this happened?
1244
1:03:16
1:03:18
You couldn't go by your screen
1245
1:03:18
1:03:21
and not see a death count of some sort.
1246
1:03:21
1:03:24
Every day, a death count and fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.
1247
1:03:24
1:03:27
They were bludgeoning people, they were traumatizing people,
1248
1:03:27
1:03:29
and it was phony, we know it was phony.
1249
1:03:29
1:03:33
John Ioannidis proved to us scientifically it was phony,
1250
1:03:33
1:03:37
okay, and yet they hammered away these death counts
1251
1:03:37
1:03:40
every single day for such a long time
1252
1:03:40
1:03:42
that I can't even remember.
1253
1:03:42
1:03:43
And right, we have the more-
1254
1:03:43
1:03:46
The issue that you raise about the jab, the jab, the jab,
1255
1:03:47
1:03:50
these people we're against are the merchants of fear.
1256
1:03:50
1:03:53
They're the masters of fear.
1257
1:03:53
1:03:58
If we try to combat fear, their fear,
1258
1:03:58
1:04:00
without trying to induce fear by saying,
1259
1:04:00
1:04:02
oh, if you get the jab, you're gonna die.
1260
1:04:02
1:04:05
See, that person died, another example.
1261
1:04:05
1:04:07
We're not gonna win that battle.
1262
1:04:07
1:04:10
We are not gonna out fear these people.
1263
1:04:10
1:04:12
So we have gotta be more fundamental.
1264
1:04:12
1:04:16
They violated human rights, they tortured people,
1265
1:04:16
1:04:19
they imprisoned the healthy, they imprisoned people.
1266
1:04:19
1:04:20
These are the realities.
1267
1:04:20
1:04:23
And they're doing all kinds of things economically.
1268
1:04:23
1:04:25
Look at the transfer of wealth that occurred.
1269
1:04:25
1:04:26
Sure. Right?
1270
1:04:26
1:04:28
Massive transfer of wealth.
1271
1:04:28
1:04:29
And you know, but I'm sure your people know,
1272
1:04:29
1:04:32
but all the globalist stuff with the currencies
1273
1:04:32
1:04:34
and the WHO and whatnot.
1274
1:04:34
1:04:38
So the fundamental issues are an attack on human rights
1275
1:04:38
1:04:41
and human beings, physical beings.
1276
1:04:41
1:04:44
Emmanuel, they played on fear.
1277
1:04:44
1:04:46
They used fear propaganda.
1278
1:04:46
1:04:51
The question is, were people psychologically tortured
1279
1:04:51
1:04:53
beyond the point of no return?
1280
1:04:53
1:04:54
And is that what we're seeing now?
1281
1:04:54
1:04:57
Because even I have great difficulty in remembering
1282
1:04:57
1:05:00
how life was before 2019.
1283
1:05:00
1:05:02
I just sense that it's very different,
1284
1:05:02
1:05:05
but it could be my perception.
1285
1:05:05
1:05:07
But I did spend a lot, sorry.
1286
1:05:08
1:05:09
I share that perception.
1287
1:05:09
1:05:14
I feel there's a miasma that's still above us.
1288
1:05:14
1:05:17
And the world has changed.
1289
1:05:17
1:05:18
I mean, I feel like there's been a change.
1290
1:05:18
1:05:23
And I think that they really did do a number on us.
1292
1:05:24
1:05:26
Okay, they did a number on us.
1293
1:05:26
1:05:28
They really did torture people that way.
1294
1:05:28
1:05:31
They changed their view of the world.
1295
1:05:31
1:05:34
But for me, for me personally, what I saw was
1296
1:05:35
1:05:40
they have such power that they will force,
1297
1:05:41
1:05:45
try to force a substance into my inviolable body,
1298
1:05:45
1:05:50
that they will imprison me into a small area.
1299
1:05:50
1:05:53
And nobody's fighting about this.
1300
1:05:53
1:05:56
Nobody's rising up in rebellion.
1301
1:05:56
1:05:56
They have that control.
1302
1:05:56
1:06:00
They will go into bank accounts and freeze bank accounts
1303
1:06:00
1:06:01
or even take money.
1304
1:06:01
1:06:02
So this is the reach.
1305
1:06:02
1:06:04
And they were surveil everything.
1306
1:06:04
1:06:05
This is the reach.
1307
1:06:05
1:06:07
That's what's terrifying to me.
1308
1:06:07
1:06:11
And that's what I think that is what causes me
1309
1:06:11
1:06:16
to continue to feel a great deal of trepidation as a result.
1310
1:06:17
1:06:20
So yes, yeah.
1311
1:06:21
1:06:23
So for a long time, just very quickly,
1312
1:06:23
1:06:26
for a long time I thought I was immune and people like me,
1313
1:06:26
1:06:29
I thought we were all immune from the psychological torture
1314
1:06:29
1:06:31
which I was witnessing.
1315
1:06:31
1:06:34
And then I realized that actually I wasn't feeling very well
1316
1:06:34
1:06:36
in the beginning of 2022.
1317
1:06:36
1:06:38
I didn't feel quite myself.
1318
1:06:39
1:06:44
And then I realized actually the reason was nothing other
1319
1:06:44
1:06:46
than that I had been psychologically tortured too.
1320
1:06:46
1:06:51
And eventually was affected by it.
1321
1:06:51
1:06:55
But anyway, but I think that we all are afraid
1322
1:06:55
1:06:57
of saying that we were fearful.
1323
1:06:57
1:06:59
I haven't heard many people saying,
1324
1:06:59
1:07:02
I've heard people saying we need to run for,
1325
1:07:02
1:07:04
we need to stampede for the exits
1326
1:07:05
1:07:06
and other stuff.
1327
1:07:07
1:07:09
And it pointed out to me that these people
1328
1:07:09
1:07:11
were very afraid.
1329
1:07:11
1:07:12
I hadn't realized that.
1330
1:07:12
1:07:17
I was just frustrated that they were further
1331
1:07:17
1:07:20
psychologically torturing people on the meetings.
1332
1:07:23
1:07:26
But you never heard any of these people who were,
1333
1:07:28
1:07:31
possibly they weren't in control of themselves.
1334
1:07:32
1:07:35
They didn't realize what they were doing,
1335
1:07:35
1:07:37
but there were one or two people saying stampede
1336
1:07:37
1:07:39
for the exits all the time.
1337
1:07:39
1:07:42
I thought this is not what people wanna hear on the group
1338
1:07:42
1:07:47
to enable them to tell people what had happened
1339
1:07:47
1:07:48
to wake them up.
1340
1:07:48
1:07:51
But I wanted to ask you, since we've got the chance,
1341
1:07:51
1:07:53
have people got PTSD?
1342
1:07:53
1:07:55
Have they got Stockholm syndrome?
1343
1:07:55
1:07:57
Or is it all about cults?
1344
1:07:57
1:08:00
Did someone read a playbook on cults
1345
1:08:00
1:08:02
or a deadly cult into operation?
1346
1:08:02
1:08:04
So is the COVID stuff?
1347
1:08:04
1:08:05
Yeah, you know.
1348
1:08:05
1:08:07
The thing I want you to touch on, Emmanuel,
1349
1:08:07
1:08:11
is the people who have been psychologically tortured
1350
1:08:11
1:08:12
and who are not yet themselves,
1351
1:08:12
1:08:14
are they ever going to recover?
1352
1:08:14
1:08:16
Especially when they don't know what's happened
1353
1:08:16
1:08:18
and nobody's diagnosed them.
1354
1:08:18
1:08:20
It's up to us to point out to them
1355
1:08:20
1:08:23
that this was way more serious than they thought.
1356
1:08:23
1:08:26
It was bad enough, what they saw,
1357
1:08:26
1:08:28
but it's way more serious, I think.
1358
1:08:28
1:08:31
I think, sorry.
1359
1:08:31
1:08:33
Yeah, I think, Steven, there were a lot of profound questions.
1360
1:08:33
1:08:35
I'm not sure I have the expertise to answer them fully,
1361
1:08:35
1:08:36
but what I'll say,
1362
1:08:36
1:08:38
I think we've all been psychologically traumatized.
1363
1:08:38
1:08:41
I think there's no question about that.
1364
1:08:41
1:08:44
Whether we have the criteria that meet the PTSD stuff
1365
1:08:44
1:08:48
and DSM is another thing, but we're bruised.
1366
1:08:48
1:08:49
We're bruised, we're battered.
1367
1:08:49
1:08:54
We've been shown the hand of power, and it is a vicious one.
1368
1:08:54
1:08:57
And there are people in the other camp
1369
1:08:57
1:09:00
who they know something isn't right.
1370
1:09:00
1:09:03
They unconsciously sense something is not right,
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1:09:03
1:09:07
but they can't quite consciously apprehend it.
1372
1:09:07
1:09:09
And there are people in the other camp
1373
1:09:09
1:09:10
who are just completely blind to it
1374
1:09:10
1:09:12
and just think everything is fine.
1375
1:09:12
1:09:14
Just do what they tell you.
1376
1:09:14
1:09:15
Everything's gonna be okay.
1377
1:09:15
1:09:17
And then you have opportunists.
1378
1:09:17
1:09:20
Part of the operation is human beings
1379
1:09:20
1:09:23
are composites of good and evil, let's say,
1380
1:09:23
1:09:25
simplistically speaking.
1381
1:09:25
1:09:26
All right?
1382
1:09:27
1:09:29
A good operation like this,
1383
1:09:29
1:09:31
a brilliant devilish operation like this
1384
1:09:31
1:09:36
is gonna elicit the worst out of human beings, purposefully.
1385
1:09:36
1:09:39
And so you got rabid, crazy people
1386
1:09:39
1:09:43
who would shout if you didn't wear a mask.
1388
1:09:43
1:09:45
And within 10 feet of them.
1389
1:09:45
1:09:49
And who wanted to, who thought that
1390
1:09:49
1:09:50
if you didn't get the jab,
1391
1:09:50
1:09:51
you shouldn't be in their vicinity.
1392
1:09:51
1:09:53
I was barred from family gatherings
1393
1:09:53
1:09:56
because even though I was very healthy,
1394
1:09:56
1:09:58
I had not been jabbed.
1395
1:09:58
1:10:02
And then you have people like Noam Chomsky,
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1:10:02
1:10:07
the supposed leading light of the liberal left,
1397
1:10:07
1:10:09
saying that the unvaccinated should go
1398
1:10:09
1:10:13
and forage for their food and should be quarantined.
1399
1:10:13
1:10:14
I've got a video of him saying something like that.
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1:10:14
1:10:19
So this is, how do you explain that?
1401
1:10:20
1:10:21
Is he co-opted?
1402
1:10:21
1:10:23
Is he part of the program?
1403
1:10:23
1:10:24
Is he just an idiot?
1404
1:10:24
1:10:27
Is he a cruel, sadistic person?
1405
1:10:27
1:10:29
I have no respect for a person like that.
1406
1:10:29
1:10:33
I mean, imagine a healthy person
1407
1:10:33
1:10:35
being deemed a danger to someone.
1408
1:10:35
1:10:38
And imagine all these people who bought it,
1409
1:10:38
1:10:40
all these people who bought it.
1410
1:10:41
1:10:43
It's inconceivable.
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1:10:43
1:10:44
Can they come back?
1412
1:10:45
1:10:46
Honestly, I don't know.
1413
1:10:46
1:10:48
I don't know.
1414
1:10:48
1:10:53
What I think the best means we have to-
1415
1:10:53
1:10:55
I just want to get, this is very important.
1416
1:10:55
1:10:57
So when can they come back?
1417
1:10:57
1:10:58
You mean, can they recover?
1418
1:10:58
1:10:59
Is that what you meant?
1419
1:10:59
1:11:00
Yeah, yeah.
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1:11:00
1:11:01
Can they recover from that?
1421
1:11:01
1:11:03
Can they get out of that mindset?
1422
1:11:03
1:11:06
And I think that we have to live without fear.
1423
1:11:06
1:11:08
We have to show by example,
1424
1:11:08
1:11:11
what it's like to live without fear.
1425
1:11:11
1:11:15
We have to not fall into the convenient notion
1426
1:11:15
1:11:18
that we have no power against their power.
1427
1:11:18
1:11:22
In fact, we may not have as much power,
1428
1:11:22
1:11:26
but we do have power and we shouldn't feel disempowered.
1429
1:11:26
1:11:29
It's a matter of asserting ourselves,
1430
1:11:29
1:11:31
of insisting on our rights.
1431
1:11:31
1:11:32
It's simple.
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1:11:32
1:11:34
Yeah, but it's not just that, is it, Emmanuel?
1433
1:11:34
1:11:39
Because so we, you and I, and others on this call,
1434
1:11:41
1:11:43
we have a special responsibility
1435
1:11:43
1:11:46
because we are kind of asking each other,
1436
1:11:46
1:11:49
we're not sure ourselves of the extent of the damage
1437
1:11:49
1:11:51
or the extent of the attack.
1438
1:11:52
1:11:54
We're not sure of the psychological torture,
1439
1:11:54
1:11:57
highly damaging psychological torture,
1440
1:11:57
1:12:02
trying to isolate human beings, highly social animals.
1441
1:12:02
1:12:05
And it's absolutely key for human beings
1442
1:12:05
1:12:06
to have human contact,
1443
1:12:06
1:12:09
yet they wanted to isolate everybody.
1444
1:12:09
1:12:13
So Boris Johnson said on British television live,
1445
1:12:13
1:12:15
you must stay at home.
1446
1:12:15
1:12:18
And I personally think Boris Johnson, pardon?
1447
1:12:19
1:12:20
I'm sorry.
1448
1:12:20
1:12:21
I'm sorry, this person.
1449
1:12:23
1:12:26
So Stephen, that's 20 minutes now.
1450
1:12:26
1:12:26
Goes quickly, doesn't it?
1451
1:12:26
1:12:29
So what I'm trying, wait a minute, Charles.
1452
1:12:29
1:12:31
So what I'm trying to say, Emmanuel,
1453
1:12:31
1:12:33
you are a psychiatrist.
1454
1:12:33
1:12:34
You're also a psychoanalyst.
1455
1:12:34
1:12:35
You've listened to many, many people.
1456
1:12:35
1:12:37
You've got a great understanding of human beings,
1457
1:12:37
1:12:40
which is why you're able to articulate
1458
1:12:40
1:12:42
all these amazing thoughts you have
1459
1:12:42
1:12:45
and kind of talk, jump from one to another.
1460
1:12:45
1:12:47
And so what I'm trying to say is,
1461
1:12:47
1:12:50
if we don't kind of have confidence
1462
1:12:50
1:12:52
in our instincts about this,
1463
1:12:52
1:12:55
so I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'm a medical doctor.
1464
1:12:55
1:12:57
And so if we don't have the confidence
1465
1:12:57
1:13:00
to actually push this possibility,
1466
1:13:00
1:13:04
because no one else will, and no one will get better either.
1467
1:13:04
1:13:05
That's what I'm trying to say.
1468
1:13:05
1:13:07
So you and I may be-
1469
1:13:07
1:13:09
So what I would say, Stephen,
1470
1:13:09
1:13:12
is that human beings are resilient also.
1471
1:13:12
1:13:15
Human beings are social creatures.
1472
1:13:15
1:13:20
I go to a beach here and people want to congregate there.
1473
1:13:20
1:13:21
They want to go to the beach.
1474
1:13:21
1:13:23
They want to get together and swim.
1475
1:13:23
1:13:26
They want to be with each other.
1476
1:13:26
1:13:30
So there's a very strong impulse within us
1477
1:13:30
1:13:34
to do what we need to do and should do.
1478
1:13:34
1:13:37
And that cannot be,
1479
1:13:37
1:13:39
that has to be taken into account as well.
1480
1:13:39
1:13:41
It's not as if people were tortured
1481
1:13:41
1:13:44
and they're left disabled forever.
1482
1:13:44
1:13:46
I think that there's a restorative ability,
1483
1:13:46
1:13:49
a restorative capacity within each of us,
1484
1:13:49
1:13:53
and it has to be nurtured and brought along.
1485
1:13:53
1:13:58
And I feel quite optimistic.
1486
1:13:58
1:14:00
I feel quite optimistic that people
1487
1:14:02
1:14:06
want to surge into a togetherness.
1488
1:14:06
1:14:08
What I feel pessimistic about is whether
1489
1:14:08
1:14:10
the government will come down with something else
1490
1:14:10
1:14:15
and convince people of another kind of terrible situation
1491
1:14:19
1:14:23
and we'll be left with another apartheid society
1492
1:14:23
1:14:25
and maybe even a more maniacal response,
1493
1:14:25
1:14:28
like what happened to the man who comes back
1494
1:14:28
1:14:31
in the Plato's cave and they conspire to kill him.
1495
1:14:31
1:14:32
I don't know.
1496
1:14:32
1:14:34
Well, so that brings us to another point,
1497
1:14:34
1:14:36
which I'll very briefly mention,
1498
1:14:36
1:14:37
but I won't have time to go into it,
1499
1:14:38
1:14:40
in my opinion, there was no pandemic,
1500
1:14:40
1:14:44
but further than that, there never have been any pandemics.
1501
1:14:44
1:14:47
And what's more, there won't be any pandemics in the future.
1502
1:14:47
1:14:50
The point being that the whole playbook at the moment
1503
1:14:50
1:14:55
seems to be the best Trojan horse is a new disease,
1504
1:14:55
1:14:57
disease X, for example, because they can,
1505
1:14:57
1:15:02
that Trojan horse can line up with all the other Trojan horses,
1506
1:15:02
1:15:03
climate change, the war.
1508
1:15:05
1:15:07
But it's the medical one,
1509
1:15:07
1:15:10
the fear that's engendered by fear of death,
1510
1:15:10
1:15:13
that's the most powerful, in my opinion.
1511
1:15:13
1:15:14
All right, we're moving on.
1512
1:15:14
1:15:15
Thank you.
1513
1:15:15
1:15:16
25 minutes next, David.
1514
1:15:16
1:15:19
The fact that pandemics are not possible, Emmanuel,
1515
1:15:19
1:15:20
means that they don't need to be afraid.
1516
1:15:20
1:15:22
We need to get that message out.
1517
1:15:22
1:15:24
Yes, we do not need to be afraid.
1518
1:15:24
1:15:26
And even, Charles, give me two seconds
1519
1:15:26
1:15:28
to answer Stephen on this, okay?
1520
1:15:28
1:15:29
This is important.
1521
1:15:29
1:15:32
There is something fundamental about the medical issue,
1522
1:15:32
1:15:37
the doctor-patient relationship, the fear of death,
1523
1:15:37
1:15:40
the power differential between the healer
1524
1:15:40
1:15:42
and the person who is ill.
1525
1:15:42
1:15:46
And it is at the fundament of totalitarian systems.
1526
1:15:46
1:15:49
It happened during Hitler's reign.
1527
1:15:49
1:15:52
It's used by all of these people.
1528
1:15:52
1:15:54
You remember the Jews,
1529
1:15:54
1:15:57
they were considered to be purveyors of contagion.
1531
1:15:58
1:16:01
That was a big part of the Holocaust, okay?
1532
1:16:01
1:16:03
They were filthy, they were germ-ridden.
1533
1:16:03
1:16:04
It is fundamental.
1534
1:16:04
1:16:08
And this gets back further to the fear of death.
1535
1:16:08
1:16:10
I think out of all of this,
1536
1:16:10
1:16:12
maybe the most important thing is to,
1537
1:16:12
1:16:17
for all of us, to confront our mortality, accept it.
1538
1:16:18
1:16:20
We're all gonna die sometime.
1539
1:16:21
1:16:25
And why are we afraid of our own shadows?
1540
1:16:25
1:16:26
Absolutely.
1541
1:16:26
1:16:28
I mean, I agree with you, but this was no pandemic.
1542
1:16:28
1:16:29
There was not a pandemic here.
1543
1:16:29
1:16:30
This is fear.
1544
1:16:30
1:16:33
Fear-induced baloney, et cetera.
1545
1:16:33
1:16:35
But let's get more fundamental.
1546
1:16:35
1:16:36
We all wanna live.
1547
1:16:36
1:16:39
We all wanna have hopes, desires, and dreams.
1548
1:16:39
1:16:44
And I think it's only in accepting that we will die
1549
1:16:44
1:16:47
and we can die, we don't know when we're gonna die,
1550
1:16:47
1:16:49
that we can truly be free.
1551
1:16:49
1:16:50
Absolutely, I agree with you.
1552
1:16:50
1:16:55
I think in my personal journey, I've lived a life.
1553
1:16:56
1:17:00
And if I die tomorrow, I've died having lived.
1554
1:17:00
1:17:04
I do not wanna have a life, like a living death.
1555
1:17:04
1:17:05
Cowering away.
1556
1:17:06
1:17:08
Cowering in all my needs.
1557
1:17:08
1:17:09
Well said, Manny.
1558
1:17:09
1:17:11
Wonderful, Emmanuel.
1560
1:17:12
1:17:16
And now I understand why Michel liked you, or likes you.
1561
1:17:16
1:17:19
All right, next, we've got a string of hands up.
1562
1:17:19
1:17:21
So, Jerry Waters.
1563
1:17:21
1:17:22
Hi, Manny.
1564
1:17:22
1:17:24
It's a pleasure to meet you.
1565
1:17:24
1:17:28
You're obviously a true warrior.
1566
1:17:28
1:17:33
And as many of my friends say, us warriors, truth seekers,
1567
1:17:37
1:17:40
freedom fighters have to stick together.
1568
1:17:40
1:17:45
And it's so true that these people that we've met up
1569
1:17:45
1:17:50
since 2020, we've been friends for a long time.
1570
1:17:50
1:17:55
And I think that these people that we've met since 2021
1571
1:17:56
1:17:58
are really, really different people.
1572
1:17:58
1:18:00
They are worthy of a friendship.
1573
1:18:00
1:18:03
And I would hope that I'm worthy of their friendship.
1574
1:18:04
1:18:08
But I really have met such a fabulous group of people.
1575
1:18:08
1:18:10
Now, of course, you come across the odd nutcase
1576
1:18:10
1:18:12
and people are off the wall.
1577
1:18:12
1:18:17
I do find there's a lot of quacks.
1578
1:18:17
1:18:21
People would be off the wall ideas and that.
1579
1:18:22
1:18:25
Just getting on to the idea of crushing.
1580
1:18:25
1:18:26
What was it all about?
1581
1:18:26
1:18:29
It was about crushing the human spirit.
1582
1:18:29
1:18:33
It was crushing the humanity in us, forcing us to,
1583
1:18:35
1:18:36
the social distancing, the masking,
1584
1:18:36
1:18:40
the whole thing was about crushing us.
1585
1:18:40
1:18:43
I personally don't feel traumatized, at least.
1586
1:18:43
1:18:45
I feel invigorated.
1587
1:18:45
1:18:46
This is the best thing.
1588
1:18:46
1:18:47
Well, it's not a good thing.
1589
1:18:47
1:18:49
I hate the idea that's happened
1590
1:18:49
1:18:52
but by Jesus brought out the fighting spirit in me.
1591
1:18:52
1:18:54
And I will fight and I will fight.
1592
1:18:54
1:18:58
And this is the hill on which I die.
1593
1:18:58
1:19:00
I've reached 74.
1594
1:19:00
1:19:03
I really not that pushed about getting old.
1595
1:19:03
1:19:06
And if I die at this stage, yeah, it's okay.
1596
1:19:06
1:19:08
So if somebody came up and shot me,
1597
1:19:09
1:19:12
I would feel, well, at some stage,
1598
1:19:12
1:19:13
they would call a street after me
1599
1:19:13
1:19:16
or a bridge or something after me.
1600
1:19:16
1:19:18
That is worth it at this stage.
1601
1:19:20
1:19:24
Getting on to the virus.
1602
1:19:24
1:19:25
No virus.
1603
1:19:25
1:19:28
It doesn't matter whether there's a virus or not.
1604
1:19:28
1:19:30
I personally believe there are viruses.
1605
1:19:30
1:19:32
My 40 years in general practice have taught me,
1606
1:19:32
1:19:37
and too often I've seen, classes of snotty nose kids.
1607
1:19:37
1:19:39
And then people came in coming into me
1608
1:19:39
1:19:42
with various upper as biotract infections.
1609
1:19:42
1:19:43
I picked them up.
1610
1:19:43
1:19:45
I bring them home to my wife and kids.
1611
1:19:46
1:19:51
The whole idea fits some sort of an effective entity.
1612
1:19:51
1:19:55
40 years I've done this and I cannot help but believe
1613
1:19:55
1:19:57
that there is some sort of infectious entity.
1614
1:19:57
1:20:00
Whether it's an exosome or whether it's a virus,
1615
1:20:00
1:20:01
I don't care.
1616
1:20:01
1:20:04
I don't happen to believe it's a nutritional problem
1617
1:20:04
1:20:07
in me and my family that lasted for two and a half days
1618
1:20:07
1:20:12
or electromagnetic waves or whatever.
1619
1:20:13
1:20:18
So what I'm saying is I stick with a viral concept
1620
1:20:18
1:20:20
or some sort of infectious entity.
1621
1:20:20
1:20:23
I think this is a huge distraction as well.
1622
1:20:23
1:20:25
I don't think we should be going down this road
1623
1:20:25
1:20:30
at this point in time, given that this is the greatest crime
1624
1:20:30
1:20:31
in history bar none.
1625
1:20:34
1:20:37
This puts everything else into the hate me place.
1626
1:20:37
1:20:41
This is the greatest totalitarian takeover.
1627
1:20:42
1:20:46
And effort to transfer of wealth.
1628
1:20:46
1:20:50
No, I know global warming was a similar type one.
1629
1:20:50
1:20:53
But at the end of the day, I believe,
1630
1:20:53
1:20:56
and I said this a couple of times on this Zoom,
1631
1:20:56
1:21:01
I believe that COVID is the rock on which they would perish.
1632
1:21:03
1:21:08
I believe this is the rock that put the whole ship of fools.
1633
1:21:09
1:21:13
Because it's too widespread.
1634
1:21:13
1:21:16
They went a bridge too far.
1635
1:21:17
1:21:19
And that's my firm belief.
1636
1:21:19
1:21:22
I also, again, I communicate with people all the time.
1637
1:21:22
1:21:23
I'm fairly good at communicating.
1638
1:21:23
1:21:27
But all the time people are coming up to me,
1639
1:21:27
1:21:28
shaking my hand saying, Jerry, you were right.
1640
1:21:28
1:21:29
You were dead right.
1641
1:21:29
1:21:31
I taught you off the boards three years ago,
1642
1:21:31
1:21:33
but you're dead right.
1643
1:21:33
1:21:35
So that's what I'd say.
1644
1:21:35
1:21:36
We are winning.
1645
1:21:36
1:21:38
We are definitely winning.
1646
1:21:38
1:21:41
And I think that's a message we should put out.
1647
1:21:41
1:21:43
Anything else is defeatist.
1648
1:21:43
1:21:46
If for a minute we begin to think that we're not winning,
1649
1:21:46
1:21:48
well, then we're winning the great,
1650
1:21:48
1:21:50
we're not losing for us.
1651
1:21:50
1:21:53
We're losing for our children, our grandchildren,
1652
1:21:53
1:21:55
our great grandchildren.
1653
1:21:55
1:21:58
We have to win for them.
1654
1:21:58
1:22:01
So that again is what I'd put out.
1655
1:22:03
1:22:07
And as I say, the crime of COVID hoax.
1656
1:22:08
1:22:11
And the assault and battery of the vaccine
1657
1:22:11
1:22:14
and all the other damage that's done from the masking
1658
1:22:14
1:22:18
and the psychological warfare on the people
1659
1:22:18
1:22:21
was done in the context of what we knew then.
1660
1:22:21
1:22:25
And it doesn't really matter whether it's a virus
1661
1:22:25
1:22:26
or no virus in that.
1662
1:22:26
1:22:28
The crime was committed in the name of that.
1663
1:22:28
1:22:30
And we've got to stick to that.
1664
1:22:32
1:22:36
Just as an aside, what part of New Zealand were you in?
1665
1:22:37
1:22:40
I'm in the Wellington region in the place called Eastbourne
1666
1:22:40
1:22:42
right around the harbour.
1667
1:22:42
1:22:43
Oh, yeah, yeah.
1668
1:22:43
1:22:46
Yeah, I toured New Zealand, fabulous place,
1669
1:22:46
1:22:48
both islands, north and south.
1670
1:22:48
1:22:50
When you've walked the rugby at all,
1671
1:22:50
1:22:52
do you ever manage to get hooked on the rugby?
1672
1:22:52
1:22:55
Yeah, not a big rugby fan now, not really.
1674
1:22:57
1:22:59
I know a few rugby players.
1675
1:22:59
1:23:01
I know actually an All Black even,
1676
1:23:01
1:23:04
but I've seen a few matches.
1677
1:23:04
1:23:09
But, you know, Wellington is a bureaucratic centre
1678
1:23:09
1:23:11
in New Zealand, it's the most bureaucratised,
1679
1:23:11
1:23:13
it's terrible in that regard.
1680
1:23:13
1:23:14
They were the most massed,
1681
1:23:14
1:23:17
the most submissive people in the world.
1682
1:23:17
1:23:19
Yeah, that's a crazy thing, isn't it?
1683
1:23:19
1:23:21
Oh my God, really?
1684
1:23:21
1:23:23
You would never imagine the Māori,
1685
1:23:23
1:23:25
the Māori as they call them,
1686
1:23:25
1:23:28
would have actually gone that road.
1687
1:23:28
1:23:30
I've got a proud boast in that, I could honestly say,
1688
1:23:30
1:23:33
I slept with an All Black.
1690
1:23:34
1:23:36
I didn't actually sleep with him.
1691
1:23:36
1:23:38
I slept in the same room as him.
1692
1:23:38
1:23:43
A guy by the name of Mike Brewer, he was a flanker,
1693
1:23:43
1:23:45
and he came and he was coaching with the club I was with,
1694
1:23:45
1:23:49
and when we went away, I was always roomed with him.
1695
1:23:49
1:23:51
So I've got a proud boast
1696
1:23:51
1:23:54
that I actually slept with an All Black.
1697
1:23:54
1:23:55
Okay, on we go.
1698
1:23:55
1:23:58
Thank you, Gerry, the sleeper with the All Blacks.
1699
1:24:00
1:24:01
All right, thanks Gerry.
1701
1:24:06
1:24:10
Hi, thank you so much for that amazing presentation.
1702
1:24:10
1:24:13
That was really enjoyable to listen to.
1703
1:24:14
1:24:17
And particularly given that my brother lives in New Zealand,
1704
1:24:17
1:24:19
does do my four nephews and nieces,
1705
1:24:19
1:24:23
and I was horrified at what unfolded in New Zealand,
1706
1:24:23
1:24:25
because as a UK lawyer,
1707
1:24:25
1:24:28
knowing that their law is based on our legal system,
1708
1:24:28
1:24:31
I could not, I simply couldn't understand
1709
1:24:31
1:24:33
all the breaches of human rights, as you pointed out,
1710
1:24:33
1:24:34
that were happening,
1711
1:24:36
1:24:37
particularly in the context that, you know,
1712
1:24:37
1:24:38
it was the medical profession
1713
1:24:38
1:24:41
who seemed to be perpetrating the breach of the human rights
1714
1:24:41
1:24:44
and informed consent, et cetera.
1715
1:24:44
1:24:47
So I don't, the first question really is,
1716
1:24:47
1:24:50
how do you explain the fact that, you know,
1717
1:24:50
1:24:53
the medical profession who have been taught
1718
1:24:53
1:24:55
informed consent laws, I'm told,
1719
1:24:55
1:24:57
who are supposed to uphold human rights,
1720
1:24:57
1:24:59
who are intelligent people,
1721
1:24:59
1:25:02
how did they just simply ignore all that?
1722
1:25:02
1:25:04
This question number one.
1723
1:25:04
1:25:07
And question number two, and I ask all this because,
1724
1:25:07
1:25:08
I'll back up a minute, I ask all this
1725
1:25:08
1:25:10
because I totally agree with you,
1726
1:25:10
1:25:13
that, you know, this has been psychological torture.
1727
1:25:13
1:25:17
And as a lawyer, you know, we've put the case forward
1728
1:25:17
1:25:19
that that has indeed been the case.
1729
1:25:19
1:25:22
And given this level of psychological abuse,
1730
1:25:22
1:25:25
that would vitiate any consent that's been given
1731
1:25:25
1:25:28
in any event, it would nullify the consent.
1732
1:25:29
1:25:31
So that's my, you know,
1733
1:25:31
1:25:32
where I'm coming from from all of this.
1734
1:25:32
1:25:34
But the issue I also wanted to explore
1735
1:25:34
1:25:38
was that of Jacinda Ahern's mental state.
1736
1:25:39
1:25:40
And I didn't know how you feel,
1737
1:25:40
1:25:42
whether you feel comfortable to comment on this,
1738
1:25:42
1:25:44
but, you know, does she have a personality disorder?
1739
1:25:44
1:25:46
Is she a psychopath?
1740
1:25:46
1:25:47
Is she a sociopath?
1741
1:25:47
1:25:51
Because I don't understand how these people
1742
1:25:51
1:25:55
can behave like that as normal beings, as it were.
1743
1:25:55
1:25:57
So over to you and thank you for listening.
1744
1:25:58
1:25:58
Oh, right.
1745
1:25:58
1:26:00
Well, let me first say, I don't,
1746
1:26:00
1:26:02
as a psychoanalyst psychiatrist,
1747
1:26:02
1:26:05
I've never indulged in diagnosing people
1748
1:26:05
1:26:09
whom I haven't treated myself in a private way.
1749
1:26:09
1:26:10
Fair enough.
1750
1:26:10
1:26:12
I don't believe in diagnosing public figures.
1751
1:26:12
1:26:15
But we can say by her actions
1752
1:26:15
1:26:18
that her actions were very destructive.
1753
1:26:18
1:26:21
And it seems to me as if she were following orders.
1754
1:26:21
1:26:24
You know, she worked with Tony Blair in the past.
1755
1:26:25
1:26:29
To me, she was a willing puppet
1756
1:26:29
1:26:33
who worked to help destroy the fabric of her country.
1758
1:26:34
1:26:35
That's how I see her.
1759
1:26:35
1:26:36
Now with responsibility for-
1760
1:26:36
1:26:38
Can I just interject though?
1761
1:26:38
1:26:39
Can I just make a comment on that?
1762
1:26:39
1:26:42
She actively enjoyed it.
1763
1:26:42
1:26:43
She was smiling.
1764
1:26:43
1:26:45
When people challenged her on, you know,
1765
1:26:45
1:26:47
you're creating a two-tiered society.
1766
1:26:47
1:26:48
Yep, yep, that's the way it's gonna be.
1767
1:26:48
1:26:49
Yeah, I remember that.
1768
1:26:49
1:26:50
Yep, yep.
1769
1:26:50
1:26:51
You know, she was happy.
1770
1:26:51
1:26:53
Yeah, you see the problem, and the problem is,
1771
1:26:53
1:26:55
I don't watch mainstream media,
1772
1:26:55
1:26:56
so I saw very few clips of these things.
1773
1:26:56
1:26:58
I never watched this stuff.
1774
1:26:58
1:27:00
But I did see the clip of that.
1775
1:27:00
1:27:02
And you know, it doesn't matter to me
1776
1:27:02
1:27:04
whether she enjoys it or not, she did it.
1778
1:27:05
1:27:09
You judge by your fruits, not by other stuff.
1779
1:27:09
1:27:12
So what she did was destructive and terrible and awful.
1781
1:27:13
1:27:15
And we just had a protest against her being appointed
1782
1:27:15
1:27:17
to this Christ Church position
1783
1:27:17
1:27:20
of being misinformation czar or something.
1784
1:27:20
1:27:22
So, no, she's bad news.
1785
1:27:22
1:27:25
But I don't expect much from the new government,
1786
1:27:25
1:27:26
although we have a foot in the door.
1787
1:27:26
1:27:27
Now, let me get back to your other question
1788
1:27:27
1:27:29
about the medical establishment.
1789
1:27:29
1:27:32
First of all, as I said, you know,
1790
1:27:32
1:27:34
these are mafia tactics.
1791
1:27:34
1:27:37
They, the medical council, following their agenda,
1792
1:27:37
1:27:40
following the FSMB and the national agenda,
1793
1:27:41
1:27:45
picked three people, myself, Peter Canaday, Matt Shelton,
1794
1:27:45
1:27:48
to show everybody else in the profession
1795
1:27:48
1:27:52
that if you dare challenge what we're telling you to do,
1796
1:27:52
1:27:54
you're gonna lose your license.
1797
1:27:54
1:27:56
And so all the other 19, 18,000,
1798
1:27:56
1:27:59
however many doctors there, just,
1799
1:27:59
1:28:01
no matter what they felt about informed consent,
1800
1:28:01
1:28:03
just kept mum for the most part,
1801
1:28:03
1:28:05
with some exceptions, of course.
1802
1:28:05
1:28:06
And so that's how they did that.
1803
1:28:06
1:28:07
And they're still mum.
1804
1:28:07
1:28:12
And I feel, I really feel no respect for these people.
1805
1:28:14
1:28:18
Honestly, that's my personal feeling is a kind of loathing
1806
1:28:18
1:28:20
for these people who sat by silently
1807
1:28:20
1:28:22
and went along with all this stuff.
1808
1:28:22
1:28:23
I agree.
1809
1:28:23
1:28:25
It makes me sick to my stomach.
1810
1:28:25
1:28:27
And I know a GP here, let me tell you,
1811
1:28:27
1:28:29
this is a very important example.
1812
1:28:29
1:28:33
Someone here had a serious adverse event
1813
1:28:33
1:28:38
after the first jab, okay, a practicing GP,
1814
1:28:38
1:28:42
and called me in tears and talked to me.
1815
1:28:42
1:28:44
This is back in 2021, I think.
1816
1:28:44
1:28:48
And I gave her some support and whatnot.
1817
1:28:48
1:28:51
Well, lo and behold, this same person
1818
1:28:53
1:28:57
has gone full circle and is now back in the Covidian camp,
1819
1:28:57
1:29:02
despite having experienced whatever.
1820
1:29:02
1:29:06
In fact, I saw this person and the response I got once,
1821
1:29:06
1:29:08
and the person was wearing a mask,
1822
1:29:08
1:29:10
I don't wanna reveal the gender,
1823
1:29:10
1:29:11
person was wearing a mask,
1824
1:29:11
1:29:13
I can't believe it, wearing a mask,
1825
1:29:13
1:29:15
and said to me, how you feeling?
1826
1:29:15
1:29:18
I said, I'm feeling great except for this rat,
1827
1:29:18
1:29:21
this lockdown, the traffic lights,
1828
1:29:21
1:29:23
and the person in response said, how you feeling?
1829
1:29:23
1:29:25
The person in response said, I'm terrified.
1830
1:29:25
1:29:26
I said, terrified?
1831
1:29:26
1:29:28
What are you terrified of?
1832
1:29:28
1:29:29
I haven't been fully jabbed.
1833
1:29:31
1:29:33
It was one of the few real exemptions
1834
1:29:33
1:29:36
since the person, you know, I couldn't believe it.
1835
1:29:36
1:29:37
So that's where we're kind of up against
1836
1:29:37
1:29:39
this kind of a culture.
1837
1:29:39
1:29:44
And yeah, I don't know what to say about that any further.
1838
1:29:45
1:29:45
That's very helpful.
1839
1:29:45
1:29:50
At 3%, at 3% of the doctors here just said,
1840
1:29:50
1:29:53
hold on, we need informed consent.
1841
1:29:53
1:29:56
You can't say one size fits all for everybody.
1842
1:29:56
1:29:58
We would have stopped it in its tracks.
1843
1:29:58
1:30:00
Exactly, I keep saying that.
1844
1:30:02
1:30:03
Very good.
1845
1:30:03
1:30:06
Well, I mean, the horrifying thing is that, you know,
1846
1:30:06
1:30:09
these doctors think that they may have kept their head down
1847
1:30:09
1:30:10
and got away with it all.
1848
1:30:10
1:30:12
But you know, as the lawsuit's coming,
1849
1:30:12
1:30:15
they're facing imprisonment or worse.
1850
1:30:15
1:30:17
And you know, it just astonishes me that they think
1851
1:30:17
1:30:20
for that short term gain, that that long term risk
1852
1:30:20
1:30:23
is worth taking, besides the breach of their oath
1853
1:30:23
1:30:24
and the fact that they're killing people.
1854
1:30:24
1:30:27
I mean, the whole thing just appalls me.
1855
1:30:27
1:30:29
But anyway, thank you so much for taking your stand
1856
1:30:29
1:30:31
and you're a hero.
1857
1:30:31
1:30:33
And I work with Matt Shelton and he's a hero too.
1858
1:30:33
1:30:35
Thank you both so much.
1859
1:30:36
1:30:38
Thank you, Anna, well said.
1860
1:30:38
1:30:42
Jeremy, our favorite dentist from the Channel Islands.
1862
1:30:44
1:30:46
Hi, Emmanuel, yeah, very much appreciated
1863
1:30:46
1:30:47
your comments today.
1864
1:30:47
1:30:48
I got away with one really,
1865
1:30:48
1:30:51
because I was all set to possibly move to New Zealand.
1866
1:30:51
1:30:53
One of my colleagues moved over,
1867
1:30:53
1:30:55
asking me and my family and my practice out there
1868
1:30:55
1:30:59
and he ended up getting about three of them
1869
1:30:59
1:31:01
and regretting it very much.
1870
1:31:01
1:31:04
So I noticed they've revoked the mandate now,
1871
1:31:04
1:31:08
but what do you feel is the political situation there
1872
1:31:09
1:31:11
with regards to the politicians,
1873
1:31:11
1:31:13
the population and the medics?
1874
1:31:13
1:31:15
Are they waking up?
1875
1:31:15
1:31:17
Do you think they could,
1876
1:31:18
1:31:21
if they have another so-called pandemic,
1877
1:31:21
1:31:24
just impose another mandate?
1878
1:31:24
1:31:27
What is your view on the professions
1879
1:31:27
1:31:31
and the populations attitude to this now going forwards?
1880
1:31:31
1:31:32
Well, there's a little wrinkle with,
1881
1:31:32
1:31:33
they revoke the mandates and yet,
1882
1:31:33
1:31:36
if you wanna get a job with the health system,
1883
1:31:36
1:31:37
you still have to be jabbed.
1884
1:31:37
1:31:40
The employers can insist you're being jabbed.
1885
1:31:40
1:31:42
So much for the mandates being revoked.
1886
1:31:42
1:31:44
It's a very clever system they have.
1887
1:31:45
1:31:49
In Wellington, they have a dearth of psychiatrists
1888
1:31:49
1:31:51
and yet they terminated two
1889
1:31:51
1:31:55
of the few competent psychiatrists they had
1890
1:31:55
1:31:59
who had been working here long and well and well respected.
1891
1:31:59
1:32:00
They don't care.
1892
1:32:02
1:32:04
With respect to the political situation,
1893
1:32:04
1:32:05
as I say, we have a foot in the door,
1894
1:32:05
1:32:08
I think with Winston Peters.
1895
1:32:08
1:32:11
I am not so, I don't believe that the COVID inquiry
1896
1:32:11
1:32:14
that's being established is going to result in much
1897
1:32:14
1:32:17
because all the major parties were in cahoots
1898
1:32:17
1:32:19
when this all happened and they're not gonna wanna
1899
1:32:19
1:32:23
put themselves in prison, whoever's conducting the inquiry.
1900
1:32:23
1:32:28
But I think that it's gonna come down to people
1901
1:32:28
1:32:32
on the ground saying, no, we're not gonna do this.
1902
1:32:32
1:32:34
You can't do this to us.
1903
1:32:34
1:32:36
Whether the professions will follow along
1904
1:32:36
1:32:39
with the doctors who were kind of biding their time
1905
1:32:39
1:32:42
with their heads below the parapet
1906
1:32:42
1:32:43
are gonna peep up a little bit.
1907
1:32:44
1:32:47
I'm not so sanguine about that, Jeremy,
1908
1:32:47
1:32:48
to be honest over here.
1909
1:32:48
1:32:49
New Zealand is a funny country.
1910
1:32:49
1:32:52
I thought this was a really rough and tough kind of place
1911
1:32:52
1:32:55
where people could use that number eight wire
1912
1:32:55
1:32:58
and fix anything and take care of all kinds of problems.
1913
1:33:00
1:33:04
It's, yeah, I'm not so sure.
1914
1:33:04
1:33:05
I was actually staggered.
1915
1:33:05
1:33:08
I didn't think the Australians, all the New Zealanders,
1916
1:33:08
1:33:09
will put up, sorry, Charles,
1917
1:33:09
1:33:11
would put up with any of this crap.
1918
1:33:11
1:33:13
I thought as a race and a nation
1919
1:33:13
1:33:15
and the individuals would be far stronger.
1920
1:33:15
1:33:19
I couldn't believe they just bowed down and lined up
1921
1:33:19
1:33:21
and no one said anything.
1922
1:33:21
1:33:22
That's not a criticism.
1923
1:33:22
1:33:24
I just, maybe they were just play totally.
1924
1:33:25
1:33:27
But I'm very shocked.
1925
1:33:27
1:33:31
It's interesting to say that's still there and in place.
1926
1:33:31
1:33:32
Thank you for that.
1927
1:33:32
1:33:35
It's very sad and biased as well.
1928
1:33:37
1:33:39
All right, so thank you, Jeremy.
1929
1:33:39
1:33:42
I was on the phone to my accountant yesterday
1930
1:33:42
1:33:47
who, Manny question and Stephen questioned my stance
1931
1:33:47
1:33:49
on all of this over the last four years.
1932
1:33:49
1:33:52
He's been my accountant for 20 plus years.
1933
1:33:52
1:33:57
And he is a very fit guy, 50 years of age,
1934
1:33:59
1:34:00
so much younger than me.
1935
1:34:01
1:34:06
And had heart, suddenly got heart problems.
1936
1:34:07
1:34:10
So Jeremy, to your point and Manny,
1937
1:34:10
1:34:12
what we're talking about,
1938
1:34:12
1:34:15
yesterday he tells me he discussed his,
1939
1:34:15
1:34:20
sorry, he's now awoken and he's become,
1940
1:34:20
1:34:24
and I'm also on the committee
1941
1:34:24
1:34:26
of the Australian Vaccination Risks Network
1942
1:34:26
1:34:29
have been for the last two years.
1943
1:34:29
1:34:33
And he spoke to his cardiologist yesterday
1944
1:34:33
1:34:36
and his cardiologist absolutely agreed
1945
1:34:36
1:34:40
that his heart problems caused by the jab.
1946
1:34:40
1:34:41
So my accountant said to him,
1947
1:34:41
1:34:42
so why don't you say anything?
1948
1:34:42
1:34:44
And he said, as we well know,
1949
1:34:44
1:34:49
why in essence I'll get attacked if I speak up.
1950
1:34:49
1:34:53
So, and we've had the comment at this meeting
1951
1:34:53
1:34:55
and we say it again and again,
1952
1:34:55
1:34:58
that if 20% of medicos had spoken out
1953
1:34:58
1:35:01
against this scam, it would never have happened,
1954
1:35:01
1:35:03
but it's still alive and living.
1955
1:35:03
1:35:06
And Manny, the attack on you and Stephen,
1956
1:35:06
1:35:08
the attacks on you,
1957
1:35:08
1:35:10
it's alive and well and living in these medical boards.
1958
1:35:10
1:35:12
And it was good to be reminded,
1959
1:35:12
1:35:15
Manny, thank you of the Federation of State Medical Boards
1960
1:35:15
1:35:18
and then the International Federation.
1961
1:35:18
1:35:20
And you shining a light on that
1962
1:35:20
1:35:22
will help us to marshal our resources
1963
1:35:22
1:35:24
against the activities of those
1964
1:35:24
1:35:28
so that cardiologists are more willing to speak up
1965
1:35:28
1:35:30
rather than Stephen, you've often said,
1966
1:35:30
1:35:33
we've heard, well, why didn't you speak up,
1967
1:35:33
1:35:36
quote, I have a mortgage to pay?
1968
1:35:37
1:35:39
Oh, I've got to put food on the table.
1969
1:35:39
1:35:40
Yeah, well, we all-
1970
1:35:40
1:35:43
We've got Charles Hoff on, it's like a call soon.
1971
1:35:43
1:35:44
It seems to me, Charles,
1972
1:35:44
1:35:47
that the point that all these people miss
1973
1:35:47
1:35:48
is that they're being attacked.
1974
1:35:48
1:35:51
Don't they defend themselves and their families
1975
1:35:51
1:35:53
when they're attacked normally,
1976
1:35:53
1:35:55
or do they just sit there and take it
1977
1:35:55
1:35:57
and say, I've got to put food on,
1978
1:35:57
1:35:59
it's pathetic, I think, it really is.
1979
1:35:59
1:36:00
How can you be a doctor?
1980
1:36:00
1:36:04
How can you be a doctor when you've betrayed
1981
1:36:04
1:36:06
the fundamental principles of being a doctor?
1982
1:36:06
1:36:07
That's the other thing. Absolutely.
1983
1:36:07
1:36:09
I agree with you.
1984
1:36:09
1:36:10
Okay, thank you, Jeremy.
1985
1:36:10
1:36:13
I was absolutely mystified, Emmanuel,
1986
1:36:13
1:36:17
that so few doctors saw the events of,
1987
1:36:17
1:36:20
or still see the events of the last four years
1988
1:36:20
1:36:21
as I see them.
1989
1:36:21
1:36:23
I can't believe it.
1990
1:36:23
1:36:24
It's unbelievable to me.
1991
1:36:24
1:36:27
Yeah, it's the same as many in New Zealand
1992
1:36:27
1:36:29
of the 20,000 doctors.
1993
1:36:29
1:36:31
There weren't thousands of them on the streets.
1994
1:36:31
1:36:32
All right, Theresa, we're gonna keep moving.
1995
1:36:32
1:36:34
We only got 45 minutes left.
1996
1:36:36
1:36:38
Hi, thank you, Charles.
1997
1:36:39
1:36:42
Hi, Manny, thank you for joining us.
1998
1:36:42
1:36:44
You did a brilliant talk.
1999
1:36:44
1:36:45
I'm so appreciative.
2000
1:36:47
1:36:52
I was going to talk about a pattern interrupt,
2001
1:36:52
1:36:57
changing the script of what we are trying to say to people
2002
1:36:57
1:36:58
because I think people,
2003
1:37:00
1:37:03
they don't wanna know that they've taken poison
2004
1:37:03
1:37:06
and nobody really wants to see the vaccine injured
2005
1:37:06
1:37:09
because that will remind them that they've taken poison.
2006
1:37:10
1:37:15
However, a point raised earlier about the person
2007
1:37:16
1:37:20
who said that we need to create a stampede for the exits.
2008
1:37:20
1:37:22
Well, that's me.
2009
1:37:22
1:37:25
I've been saying that in this group for over two years
2010
1:37:25
1:37:29
and I would like to actually just state my rationale for that
2011
1:37:29
1:37:31
and then ask you your thoughts.
2012
1:37:33
1:37:34
Please.
2013
1:37:35
1:37:36
Right, okay.
2014
1:37:37
1:37:42
I live in the UK and ever since the very beginning
2015
1:37:42
1:37:47
January, 2020, I could see that they were building
2016
1:37:47
1:37:51
what appeared to be a slaughterhouse shoot around us.
2017
1:37:51
1:37:54
Now, I think they're gonna make an example of the UK.
2018
1:37:55
1:37:56
We're an island.
2019
1:37:56
1:37:59
Presently, they are sewing through our food supply.
2020
1:37:59
1:38:02
You know probably about the action against the farmers.
2021
1:38:03
1:38:05
We presently have hundreds of thousands
2022
1:38:05
1:38:09
of fighting age men in our hotels.
2023
1:38:09
1:38:10
They're migrants.
2024
1:38:12
1:38:14
We don't really know why they're here,
2025
1:38:14
1:38:15
but I'll tell you one thing about them.
2026
1:38:15
1:38:17
They're not trying to date the local girls,
2027
1:38:17
1:38:20
which kind of tells you they're on a payroll.
2028
1:38:21
1:38:23
Our government, you know, for 200 years,
2029
1:38:23
1:38:25
they don't build a new prison
2030
1:38:25
1:38:26
and then suddenly they're building
2031
1:38:26
1:38:29
six new mega prisons all at once.
2032
1:38:29
1:38:30
Oh my God.
2033
1:38:31
1:38:36
And I'm pretty sure that a Chinese social credit system
2034
1:38:37
1:38:40
is coming in because our Prime Minister Rishi Sunak,
2035
1:38:40
1:38:43
who nobody voted for, his father-in-law
2036
1:38:43
1:38:47
is the owner of Infosys, which is the company
2037
1:38:47
1:38:50
that put in the software
2038
1:38:50
1:38:54
for the Chinese social credit system in China.
2039
1:38:54
1:38:58
So I've been watching this for three years
2040
1:38:58
1:39:01
and I really do think that we are sleepwalking
2041
1:39:01
1:39:03
into something much, much worse
2042
1:39:03
1:39:05
than what we've seen so far.
2043
1:39:05
1:39:10
I believe that Disease X or whatever they decide to pull next
2044
1:39:10
1:39:14
is going to be, no more Mr. Nice Guy.
2045
1:39:15
1:39:19
So I've been thinking about it.
2046
1:39:19
1:39:23
Are we heading towards a critical mass of anger
2047
1:39:23
1:39:26
or a saturation point of defeat with the public
2048
1:39:26
1:39:30
where you would see people sad, scared,
2049
1:39:30
1:39:32
but going to get jabbed anyway
2050
1:39:32
1:39:37
because their government is telling them to do it.
2051
1:39:37
1:39:40
So I honestly think that we need to change the record.
2052
1:39:40
1:39:43
We need to stop talking about the vaccine injured.
2053
1:39:43
1:39:46
We need to start pointing out the big macroscopic reasons
2054
1:39:46
1:39:49
why they're doing this and create a stampede
2055
1:39:49
1:39:52
of a different kind, one of anger against the government
2056
1:39:52
1:39:54
because they appear to be taking steps
2057
1:39:54
1:39:57
that are not in our interests.
2058
1:39:57
1:39:59
But stay away from the vaccines
2059
1:39:59
1:40:01
because that is triggering people.
2060
1:40:01
1:40:02
We've all seen it.
2061
1:40:02
1:40:06
They shuffle their feet, they lower their gaze.
2062
1:40:06
1:40:10
They appear to want to be somewhere else
2063
1:40:10
1:40:13
and they really don't want to hear it, even now.
2064
1:40:14
1:40:17
Well, let me respond with a few comments.
2065
1:40:17
1:40:20
One, I agree very much psychologically speaking
2066
1:40:20
1:40:23
by harping on the deleterious effects of the jab
2067
1:40:23
1:40:26
we're only increasing resistance against us.
2068
1:40:26
1:40:29
And it's become something of a monomania here.
2069
1:40:29
1:40:31
Another person died from the jab.
2070
1:40:31
1:40:33
Did someone die from the jab?
2071
1:40:33
1:40:36
If so, let's make sure this will be the game changer.
2072
1:40:36
1:40:37
It's not going to be the game changer.
2074
1:40:38
1:40:41
We do have to get back to the core issues,
2075
1:40:41
1:40:44
the global issues, the general assault that's occurring.
2076
1:40:44
1:40:48
And we've got to just, I have arguments
2077
1:40:48
1:40:51
with my own crowd here about the focus on the jab.
2078
1:40:51
1:40:53
I'm sick of the jab, okay?
2079
1:40:53
1:40:55
And psychologically speaking,
2080
1:40:55
1:40:57
by continuing to harp on the jab,
2081
1:40:57
1:40:59
we're kind of hurting ourselves at this point.
2082
1:40:59
1:41:02
We have to just lead by example,
2083
1:41:02
1:41:06
focus now on these more general and very important issues
2084
1:41:06
1:41:09
like illegal migrants, for example,
2085
1:41:09
1:41:13
like these invasions of countries to make them subservient,
2086
1:41:13
1:41:16
that going on in the States, going on in the UK
2087
1:41:16
1:41:18
and other places like that.
2088
1:41:18
1:41:23
I am hopeful that the States will lead the way
2089
1:41:23
1:41:25
and there'll be a turning point
2090
1:41:25
1:41:27
and that we're in for a renaissance,
2091
1:41:27
1:41:30
but that's not gonna come until 2025 and beyond.
2092
1:41:30
1:41:32
I'm very hopeful of that.
2093
1:41:32
1:41:36
And if not, then I'm gonna stand on my fence
2094
1:41:36
1:41:39
and I'm gonna protect myself.
2095
1:41:39
1:41:42
And either way, I'm gonna be, I win.
2096
1:41:42
1:41:43
Either way, I win.
2097
1:41:45
1:41:46
Thank you. Thank you.
2098
1:41:46
1:41:47
And it's gonna come down.
2099
1:41:47
1:41:49
People are gonna have to get out there
2100
1:41:49
1:41:53
and fight for their liberties everywhere, okay?
2101
1:41:53
1:41:54
We've been complacent.
2102
1:41:54
1:41:55
We've been complacent.
2103
1:41:55
1:41:57
We've been lying around, oh yeah, this is great.
2104
1:41:57
1:42:00
We can be, we can do all these different things
2105
1:42:00
1:42:00
and all that.
2106
1:42:00
1:42:02
And then when their liberties are squished,
2107
1:42:02
1:42:04
they don't say a peep.
2108
1:42:04
1:42:06
We've got to fight to keep our liberties
2109
1:42:06
1:42:08
and they're not conferred by government.
2110
1:42:08
1:42:10
They are within us.
2111
1:42:10
1:42:11
They are unalienable.
2112
1:42:11
1:42:16
So would you say that my rationale for creating a stampede,
2113
1:42:19
1:42:21
it doesn't have to be a stampede of fear.
2114
1:42:21
1:42:23
It can be anger, but it would be better
2115
1:42:23
1:42:25
to have a stampede for the exits now
2116
1:42:25
1:42:29
than when the shoot that they're building is complete.
2117
1:42:30
1:42:31
Well, I would just say,
2118
1:42:31
1:42:33
well, I wouldn't go have a stampede for the exits.
2119
1:42:33
1:42:37
I would have a stampede at the ramparts
2120
1:42:37
1:42:39
of anger against these people trying to imprison us.
2121
1:42:39
1:42:42
That's what this stampede has to go.
2122
1:42:42
1:42:44
We may need another protest here in New Zealand
2123
1:42:44
1:42:45
at the parliament.
2124
1:42:45
1:42:47
We may need to bring people together again.
2125
1:42:47
1:42:49
That's the kind of stampede I wanna have.
2126
1:42:49
1:42:50
Where are you gonna go?
2127
1:42:50
1:42:52
Where am I gonna go?
2128
1:42:52
1:42:54
There is no place to go, okay?
2129
1:42:54
1:42:57
Except we hold our ground and we go against.
2130
1:42:57
1:42:58
And the other point too,
2131
1:42:58
1:43:03
is that a lot of touchy-feely people, loving people,
2132
1:43:03
1:43:06
think have an angry thought is a bad thing
2133
1:43:06
1:43:08
or an angry feeling.
2134
1:43:08
1:43:09
I don't agree with that.
2135
1:43:09
1:43:11
No, I don't agree. We have gotta be angry.
2136
1:43:11
1:43:12
We should be angry.
2137
1:43:12
1:43:13
Anger is actually productive.
2138
1:43:13
1:43:17
So let's get angry and let's fight for ourselves.
2139
1:43:17
1:43:18
Yeah. Yeah.
2140
1:43:18
1:43:20
Cause this might not end until we actually drag them out
2141
1:43:20
1:43:24
by the scruffs of their necks and remove them from power.
2142
1:43:24
1:43:25
That's right.
2143
1:43:25
1:43:29
The lack of reaction from populations around the world
2144
1:43:29
1:43:32
is encouraging these bastards.
2145
1:43:32
1:43:35
The fact that men have forgotten how to be men
2146
1:43:35
1:43:38
and don't do anything, it's crazy.
2147
1:43:38
1:43:39
To protect their family.
2148
1:43:39
1:43:41
There's lots of people doing stuff.
2149
1:43:41
1:43:42
There's huge amounts going on.
2150
1:43:42
1:43:43
We just don't know.
2151
1:43:43
1:43:46
And all you have to do is look at telegram groups.
2152
1:43:46
1:43:48
There's one telegram group, Stephen,
2153
1:43:48
1:43:50
in Australia by a guy called Dave O'Neill.
2154
1:43:50
1:43:53
He has 59,000 subscribers.
2155
1:43:53
1:43:55
And you haven't heard of him.
2156
1:43:55
1:43:57
59,000, unheard of.
2157
1:43:57
1:43:58
It's wonderful.
2158
1:43:58
1:44:00
It's wonderful.
2159
1:44:00
1:44:01
And we're just going-
2160
1:44:01
1:44:02
Yeah, but I mean, generally,
2161
1:44:02
1:44:05
generally men are trying to be like women
2162
1:44:05
1:44:08
or at least how women want men to be,
2163
1:44:08
1:44:09
or say they want men to be,
2164
1:44:09
1:44:11
because they don't really want men to be
2165
1:44:11
1:44:12
like they say they want them to be.
2166
1:44:12
1:44:15
So that's what I mean, Charles.
2167
1:44:15
1:44:17
Well, there's lots, there is lots happening
2168
1:44:17
1:44:18
and I'm an optimist.
2169
1:44:18
1:44:20
I'm absolutely, we will win this.
2170
1:44:20
1:44:23
And I remind you all of what Gandhi did in the 40s
2171
1:44:23
1:44:26
through non-violent, non-compliance.
2172
1:44:26
1:44:27
It's all we have to do.
2173
1:44:27
1:44:29
Do not comply.
2175
1:44:30
1:44:31
Well, we don't have to mention violence.
2176
1:44:31
1:44:33
We just need to say that it's okay to be angry,
2177
1:44:33
1:44:35
just as Emmanuel-
2178
1:44:35
1:44:37
Yeah, be angry and don't comply.
2179
1:44:37
1:44:40
People are too reasonable these days.
2180
1:44:40
1:44:41
Too reasonable.
2181
1:44:41
1:44:42
No, they're not.
2182
1:44:42
1:44:42
Not at all.
2183
1:44:42
1:44:43
They're not.
2184
1:44:43
1:44:44
Well, exactly.
2185
1:44:44
1:44:46
They think they're reasonable.
2186
1:44:46
1:44:48
They think they're reasonable.
2187
1:44:48
1:44:48
That's right.
2188
1:44:48
1:44:51
If Theresa says something or Manny says something
2189
1:44:51
1:44:52
or Stephen, you say something,
2190
1:44:52
1:44:53
wipe by your friends.
2191
1:44:53
1:44:55
There's nothing reasonable about that.
2192
1:44:56
1:44:57
Nothing.
2193
1:44:57
1:44:59
All right, thanks Theresa.
2194
1:44:59
1:45:01
Albert, our Eagle Man.
2195
1:45:03
1:45:07
Manny is great to meet you.
2196
1:45:08
1:45:11
Talk about listening well.
2197
1:45:11
1:45:14
Early on, I heard your Philly accent.
2198
1:45:14
1:45:19
It's when you say the word talk, I hear a W in there.
2199
1:45:19
1:45:21
That's Philly.
2200
1:45:21
1:45:22
That's Philly right there.
2201
1:45:24
1:45:28
But anyways, yeah, so I'm the creator
2202
1:45:28
1:45:31
of the verresaware.com, a little website.
2203
1:45:31
1:45:33
I follow the Verres data.
2204
1:45:34
1:45:37
And since this COVID pandemic,
2205
1:45:37
1:45:42
I've met a lot of friends from the New Zealand area
2206
1:45:42
1:45:46
that were using my dashboard well before,
2207
1:45:46
1:45:48
you know, in the beginning.
2208
1:45:48
1:45:51
And since then, I've had a chance to meet
2209
1:45:51
1:45:54
even Barry the whistleblower on a Twitter space
2210
1:45:54
1:45:57
and haven't met Liz Gunn,
2211
1:45:57
1:46:00
but she's retweeted some of my stuff on Twitter.
2212
1:46:02
1:46:06
But it strikes me that, you know,
2213
1:46:06
1:46:09
being you being a psychiatrist and a smart person
2214
1:46:09
1:46:14
and a linguist, the power of words,
2215
1:46:14
1:46:19
I think words are like the most powerful tool we have
2216
1:46:19
1:46:24
and possibly spirituality,
2217
1:46:24
1:46:28
kind of like Jerry Waters was saying,
2218
1:46:28
1:46:31
like he's, you know, he's not afraid
2219
1:46:31
1:46:36
or there's a certain type of warrior that's not afraid.
2220
1:46:37
1:46:42
And I kind of like to think that I'm in that space as well.
2221
1:46:42
1:46:45
I'm not afraid, I haven't been hypnotized
2222
1:46:45
1:46:50
because I think this is like a spiritual war going on,
2223
1:46:50
1:46:52
a spiritual battle.
2224
1:46:52
1:46:57
And, you know, because of my Christian upbringing,
2225
1:46:57
1:47:01
I just really believe that, you know, I believe in heaven,
2226
1:47:01
1:47:03
I believe in God, I believe in Jesus,
2227
1:47:03
1:47:08
I believe that there's something else past, past the world.
2228
1:47:08
1:47:12
And so it's like, I think of it as like,
2229
1:47:12
1:47:14
this is just the world is just like
2230
1:47:14
1:47:16
the first round of the playoffs.
2231
1:47:16
1:47:17
There's something more.
2232
1:47:17
1:47:21
I don't have a death wish, I have a what's next wish.
2233
1:47:21
1:47:24
There's something more.
2234
1:47:24
1:47:29
And I think all of that, it's just kind of kept me calm,
2235
1:47:31
1:47:33
kept me at peace.
2236
1:47:33
1:47:35
And, you know, I just have to,
2237
1:47:35
1:47:40
I just want to reiterate or just say it again,
2238
1:47:40
1:47:42
you know, it said in the Bible,
2239
1:47:42
1:47:45
I think somewhere in there, Jesus said that
2240
1:47:45
1:47:50
we will be able to do greater things than him.
2241
1:47:50
1:47:51
And it's like, what, I mean,
2242
1:47:51
1:47:54
what a good type of father that is.
2243
1:47:54
1:47:59
I mean, all fathers want their kids to be better than them.
2244
1:47:59
1:48:03
You know, so I believe just because he said that,
2245
1:48:03
1:48:04
or it's there in the Bible,
2246
1:48:04
1:48:08
that someday it will be like that here.
2247
1:48:08
1:48:13
Like, I'm sure, it's my belief, I think here on earth,
2248
1:48:13
1:48:17
we've already solved cold fusion and cold fission
2249
1:48:17
1:48:19
and cancer and all that.
2250
1:48:19
1:48:21
They just are keeping it a secret from us.
2252
1:48:23
1:48:25
Oh, Albert, may I make a response to that?
2253
1:48:25
1:48:28
Because I think you brought up something very critical,
2254
1:48:28
1:48:30
which is that I'm fond of saying that
2255
1:48:30
1:48:33
the real world is an idealist nightmare.
2256
1:48:33
1:48:36
And this really goes back to Plato's cave in a way.
2257
1:48:36
1:48:41
But I believe that we have all the technological
2258
1:48:41
1:48:44
and computational power that we need
2259
1:48:44
1:48:48
to make this world a paradise right now.
2260
1:48:48
1:48:51
We don't need any more scientific discoveries.
2261
1:48:51
1:48:55
We don't need any kind of flying, whatever the hell it is,
2262
1:48:55
1:48:56
you know, flying saucers or not.
2263
1:48:56
1:48:59
We have everything that we need to make this world
2264
1:48:59
1:49:02
and we have everything we need.
2265
1:49:02
1:49:05
So what is keeping us from doing that?
2266
1:49:05
1:49:07
What's keeping us from doing that
2267
1:49:07
1:49:11
is something within human nature, human psychology,
2268
1:49:11
1:49:12
and groups.
2269
1:49:12
1:49:17
So that is the most critical problem of the day
2270
1:49:18
1:49:20
when you really think about it.
2272
1:49:21
1:49:24
We have the power to make this a paradise.
2273
1:49:24
1:49:25
Why are we not doing it?
2274
1:49:25
1:49:27
Why haven't we done so?
2275
1:49:27
1:49:29
And that's because there's something within us,
2276
1:49:29
1:49:32
within the nature of our institutions
2277
1:49:32
1:49:36
that is allowing some species of evil to prevail
2278
1:49:36
1:49:38
to prevent that.
2279
1:49:38
1:49:39
Right on, Manny.
2280
1:49:39
1:49:40
Well, such a pleasure.
2281
1:49:40
1:49:45
I know that, you know, I'm here in San Jose in California
2282
1:49:45
1:49:47
and we helped build the beast here
2283
1:49:47
1:49:51
and we're gonna help tear down the beast here.
2284
1:49:53
1:49:55
So just keep an eye on me.
2285
1:49:55
1:49:57
They think I'm a little hummingbird,
2286
1:49:58
1:50:00
but really what I am is a great eagle here in Silicon Valley.
2287
1:50:00
1:50:02
God bless you, Manny.
2288
1:50:02
1:50:03
Thank you very much.
2289
1:50:04
1:50:06
Thank you, Albert.
2290
1:50:06
1:50:07
And well done on your work and Jerry,
2291
1:50:07
1:50:11
well done on supporting Albert in that work.
2292
1:50:11
1:50:13
Okay, Alan, where have you gone?
2293
1:50:15
1:50:17
I'm here, thank you.
2294
1:50:17
1:50:18
Manny, wow.
2295
1:50:18
1:50:21
And thank you for everything, everyone.
2296
1:50:21
1:50:24
I'm just gonna give you some context and it is a question.
2297
1:50:25
1:50:30
So I think in many ways we make our own realities.
2298
1:50:30
1:50:31
I believe we do that literally.
2299
1:50:31
1:50:36
I mean, to conscious, unconscious energies,
2300
1:50:36
1:50:38
stuff that if I told you what I really thought about,
2301
1:50:38
1:50:40
what is life and death and everything,
2302
1:50:40
1:50:45
you would think I'm truly crazy, but it works for me.
2303
1:50:46
1:50:51
I think it's very easy to generalize and talk about we,
2304
1:50:51
1:50:55
like all human nature, all of humanity are doing this.
2305
1:50:55
1:51:00
No, I don't believe that it's reasonable to generalize.
2306
1:51:00
1:51:05
Where I am and what I see is just optimism
2307
1:51:05
1:51:08
and we're winning, we're winning everywhere.
2308
1:51:08
1:51:10
Where I am, I'm in Northwest Leicestershire,
2309
1:51:10
1:51:13
I was with Andrew Bridgen on Saturday morning.
2310
1:51:13
1:51:14
I see what is going on.
2311
1:51:14
1:51:17
I see what is going on there.
2312
1:51:17
1:51:19
I see the people supporting.
2313
1:51:20
1:51:23
I'm 66, I'm not afraid of anything.
2314
1:51:23
1:51:25
The context for me, and I think this answers
2315
1:51:25
1:51:29
some of the queries about how people approach this,
2316
1:51:29
1:51:32
is I'm not scared of anything because I came into this
2317
1:51:32
1:51:37
after several years of unrelenting suicidal disintegration.
2318
1:51:37
1:51:41
I came into COVID wanting to die.
2319
1:51:41
1:51:45
That was my context, if you like.
2320
1:51:45
1:51:47
And so it was relatively easy.
2321
1:51:47
1:51:52
I'm not denying that I've been subject to these traumas,
2322
1:51:52
1:51:54
but I'd already had layers and layers
2323
1:51:54
1:51:56
and layers of traumas beforehand.
2324
1:51:56
1:51:58
So it was relatively easy for me,
2325
1:51:58
1:51:59
and I'll come through it now.
2326
1:51:59
1:52:02
And I'm now saying, right, bring it on,
2327
1:52:02
1:52:04
because as far as I'm concerned,
2328
1:52:04
1:52:07
I'm really, really fit and strong, 66.
2329
1:52:07
1:52:11
I'll line up with the farmers and the military veterans
2330
1:52:11
1:52:13
and anybody else, and I've got an ax.
2331
1:52:14
1:52:15
So I don't care.
2332
1:52:15
1:52:18
I really don't believe it's gonna come to that.
2333
1:52:18
1:52:21
I think there is a reason for this.
2334
1:52:21
1:52:24
Humanity is learning some very big lessons,
2335
1:52:24
1:52:27
and I think this is meant to happen in a way.
2336
1:52:27
1:52:32
I'm into the calmer stuff, and by that K-A-R-M-A,
2337
1:52:34
1:52:38
a sort of inevitability to this is meant to happen.
2338
1:52:38
1:52:41
So that is a kind of question.
2339
1:52:42
1:52:46
Please, would you respond to that
2340
1:52:46
1:52:47
and let me know what you think?
2341
1:52:47
1:52:48
Thank you very much.
2342
1:52:48
1:52:49
Thank you, everybody.
2343
1:52:49
1:52:52
This is absolutely wonderful, as ever.
2344
1:52:52
1:52:53
Thank you.
2345
1:52:54
1:52:56
Well, Alan, I think you've answered your own question.
2346
1:52:56
1:52:58
I think you've made an eloquent statement
2347
1:52:58
1:53:02
about what things we're here to be witness
2348
1:53:02
1:53:05
to this great exposure,
2349
1:53:05
1:53:08
and it is a test for us in how we respond.
2350
1:53:08
1:53:12
And the people that I have been in association with
2351
1:53:12
1:53:16
are vibrant, animated, alive.
2352
1:53:16
1:53:18
Yeah, we're bruised and battered,
2353
1:53:18
1:53:21
but these are people who are full of life
2354
1:53:21
1:53:23
and not full of fear,
2355
1:53:23
1:53:26
and I think that's the ticket to all of this.
2356
1:53:26
1:53:27
And I appreciate your sharing.
2357
1:53:27
1:53:30
It's a shame that the COVID was so lethal,
2358
1:53:30
1:53:32
didn't get you, apparently.
2359
1:53:32
1:53:34
I could say, I mean, you know,
2360
1:53:34
1:53:37
that whole myth of the lethality of COVID, honestly.
2361
1:53:39
1:53:44
You know, what's hard for me is the litany of stupidities
2362
1:53:44
1:53:47
that people swallowed all the way along.
2363
1:53:47
1:53:50
I mean, really, it just was endless.
2364
1:53:50
1:53:52
I saw people wiping down things
2365
1:53:52
1:53:55
that they would never have wiped down in a million years
2366
1:53:55
1:53:57
because it was gonna, you know, whatever.
2367
1:53:57
1:53:58
Are you kidding me?
2368
1:53:58
1:54:01
Will you relax a little bit, please?
2369
1:54:01
1:54:02
Yeah, I agree.
2370
1:54:02
1:54:06
But again, I think everybody's making their own realities.
2371
1:54:06
1:54:07
I agree.
2372
1:54:07
1:54:08
Everybody's on their own path,
2373
1:54:08
1:54:11
and we keep coming around again until we learn,
2374
1:54:11
1:54:14
and you know, that's kinda how it is.
2375
1:54:14
1:54:17
And I'm proud to say, listen, I got a kid.
2376
1:54:17
1:54:21
I got a son who has a partner and they have a baby,
2377
1:54:21
1:54:24
and they're both, the baby is completely unjabbed.
2378
1:54:25
1:54:28
And that's because, not because my son listened to me,
2379
1:54:28
1:54:32
but because he started to read and think and listen
2380
1:54:32
1:54:35
and came to his own conclusions with his partner.
2381
1:54:35
1:54:37
And I think that's the best,
2382
1:54:37
1:54:42
and that's a good sign that people have to be independent
2383
1:54:42
1:54:45
and have to come to their own decisions
2384
1:54:45
1:54:48
and not be forced into anything.
2385
1:54:48
1:54:50
Yeah, agreed.
2386
1:54:50
1:54:52
Thank you so much, and everybody else.
2387
1:54:52
1:54:53
Thank you.
2388
1:54:53
1:54:53
Thank you.
2389
1:54:53
1:54:54
Thank you, Alan.
2390
1:54:54
1:54:56
Thank you for your honesty now.
2391
1:54:56
1:54:58
Before we go back to you, Stephen,
2392
1:55:00
1:55:03
one of the things that we all can do,
2393
1:55:03
1:55:05
and people say, let's do stuff.
2394
1:55:05
1:55:07
Well, everyone's doing stuff.
2395
1:55:08
1:55:13
The vision of the law and how it can be used,
2396
1:55:16
1:55:18
there are many, as Warner Mendenhall told us,
2397
1:55:18
1:55:23
there are over 20,000 legal actions happening in America.
2398
1:55:23
1:55:25
We don't know all of them.
2399
1:55:25
1:55:28
I don't know all the legal actions happening in Australia.
2400
1:55:28
1:55:29
Manny, you don't know all the actions happening
2401
1:55:29
1:55:32
in New Zealand.
2402
1:55:32
1:55:37
Now, the value of real estate has risen dramatically
2403
1:55:39
1:55:43
in Australia and many other places over the last four years.
2404
1:55:43
1:55:45
And people say they can't afford to support,
2405
1:55:45
1:55:48
to donate to legal causes.
2406
1:55:48
1:55:51
They can't afford to do this.
2407
1:55:51
1:55:53
And part of our job is to get people
2408
1:55:53
1:55:54
to loosen their purse strings.
2409
1:55:54
1:55:57
The value of their homes has gone up ridiculously.
2410
1:55:57
1:56:00
If there's a Carrington event, as Theresa would tell us,
2411
1:56:00
1:56:02
it's not gonna matter anyway.
2412
1:56:02
1:56:06
Give your money to causes that you support.
2413
1:56:06
1:56:07
Talk to people with money
2414
1:56:07
1:56:10
and get them to loosen their purse strings.
2415
1:56:10
1:56:13
The second issue in terms of the psychopaths, Manny,
2416
1:56:14
1:56:17
the Jacinda Ardern's of this world,
2417
1:56:17
1:56:19
and if you listen to David Icke
2418
1:56:19
1:56:23
and what he says about Ardern and her ilk
2419
1:56:23
1:56:26
is quite instructive.
2420
1:56:26
1:56:29
David Icke has addressed this group some time ago.
2421
1:56:30
1:56:35
We need to put these people on notice.
2422
1:56:35
1:56:38
And secondly, while they're in office,
2423
1:56:38
1:56:40
and secondly, and I'm doing this now
2424
1:56:40
1:56:43
with our premiers in Australia,
2425
1:56:43
1:56:46
every premier in this country has resigned
2426
1:56:48
1:56:51
since they've imposed the COVID rules,
2427
1:56:51
1:56:53
every single one of them.
2428
1:56:53
1:56:57
And what we have to do in this group
2429
1:56:57
1:56:59
and everybody watching this recording
2430
1:56:59
1:57:02
is to literally tell these people
2431
1:57:02
1:57:03
after they've left office,
2432
1:57:03
1:57:08
we know what you did and we will hold you to account.
2433
1:57:09
1:57:11
And the reason why we have to do that,
2434
1:57:11
1:57:13
and we have to mean it seriously,
2435
1:57:13
1:57:15
I'm doing that with Daniel Andrews,
2436
1:57:15
1:57:17
the worst premier in Victoria's history,
2437
1:57:17
1:57:20
is if we track these bastards
2438
1:57:20
1:57:23
now that they're out of office
2439
1:57:23
1:57:25
and then take action against them
2440
1:57:25
1:57:27
for their crimes committed in office,
2441
1:57:27
1:57:29
two things happen.
2442
1:57:29
1:57:32
The people in office now will realise
2443
1:57:32
1:57:36
they can't get away scot-free by getting out of office.
2444
1:57:36
1:57:41
Secondly, if we can prove with sufficient funds
2445
1:57:41
1:57:44
that they committed crimes in office,
2446
1:57:44
1:57:47
they will lose their lifetime retirement benefits.
2447
1:57:48
1:57:51
And in my view, that's one of the important things
2448
1:57:51
1:57:56
that we need to do is to stop giving these bastards
2449
1:57:57
1:58:01
lifetime retirement benefits.
2450
1:58:01
1:58:04
And I want all of us to think about your local politician
2451
1:58:04
1:58:07
who didn't respond to you when they leave,
2452
1:58:07
1:58:10
your local state premier
2453
1:58:10
1:58:12
or whatever you have in your country,
2454
1:58:12
1:58:14
we have to put them on notice
2455
1:58:14
1:58:18
that you cannot get away from your crimes
2456
1:58:18
1:58:20
by resigning from office.
2457
1:58:20
1:58:23
And that's a point of view I wanna put to all of us
2458
1:58:24
1:58:27
and to stop saying there's nothing that we can do.
2459
1:58:27
1:58:29
One of us doing something like that
2460
1:58:29
1:58:31
can cause an enormous tsunami,
2461
1:58:31
1:58:36
just like yesterday's Sky News had the 17 year old kid
2462
1:58:36
1:58:39
who flew in, I think in Indiana, manny,
2463
1:58:39
1:58:44
flew a flag, an American flag on the back of his pickup truck.
2464
1:58:44
1:58:45
He drove to school.
2465
1:58:45
1:58:47
The school said, you're not allowed to have a flag.
2466
1:58:47
1:58:49
He said, get stuffed.
2467
1:58:50
1:58:55
One person tweeted it with 3 million followers and bang,
2468
1:58:55
1:58:57
all of the next day,
2469
1:58:57
1:58:59
a whole bunch of other kids started flying their flag.
2470
1:58:59
1:59:01
That's what one person can do.
2471
1:59:01
1:59:04
So I want us to share that and manny to reinforce
2472
1:59:04
1:59:08
why I'm an optimist like you are and like Stephen is.
2473
1:59:10
1:59:12
So Stephen, over to you.
2474
1:59:20
1:59:23
Stephen, you're muted.
2475
1:59:23
1:59:24
Stephen, you're muted.
2476
1:59:28
1:59:30
Well, actually, Charles, you missed a compliment.
2477
1:59:30
1:59:31
So I said, good speech from you.
2479
1:59:33
1:59:35
I'm Mr. Dragon.
2481
1:59:37
1:59:41
So I said, and you said an optimist,
2482
1:59:41
1:59:45
that I'm an optimist and I said I was an angry optimist,
2483
1:59:45
1:59:46
but I was muted, so sorry about that.
2484
1:59:46
1:59:48
Sorry about that.
2485
1:59:48
1:59:50
Anyway, Emmanuel, I wanted to ask you,
2486
1:59:50
1:59:52
you're a psychiatrist, so this is great.
2487
1:59:53
1:59:55
And a psychoanalyst.
2488
1:59:56
2:00:00
So, oh, by the way, would you recommend a career
2489
2:00:00
2:00:02
as a psychoanalyst or as a counselor?
2490
2:00:02
2:00:05
Because it seems to me that the one thing
2491
2:00:05
2:00:10
that causes immense suffering is some mental illness
2492
2:00:10
2:00:12
or, you know, even if you...
2493
2:00:12
2:00:13
So anxiety, depression,
2494
2:00:13
2:00:16
I don't really think that's an illness.
2495
2:00:16
2:00:21
I think it's, you know, a normal reaction to a crazy world,
2496
2:00:21
2:00:23
or at least it could as part of it.
2497
2:00:23
2:00:27
But anyway, I wanted to ask you about addictions, you know?
2498
2:00:27
2:00:31
And specifically, addiction to mobile phones
2499
2:00:31
2:00:35
and computers and tech generally.
2500
2:00:35
2:00:37
And also social media.
2501
2:00:38
2:00:40
So you've got the twin addictions, as I see.
2502
2:00:40
2:00:42
You've got social media and mobile phones,
2503
2:00:42
2:00:45
and they're both addictions.
2504
2:00:45
2:00:46
If there were any other addictions,
2505
2:00:46
2:00:48
and people were affected to the point
2506
2:00:48
2:00:50
that they are affected these days,
2507
2:00:50
2:00:53
even in North Wales, where I am at the moment,
2508
2:00:54
2:00:57
walking around with their mobile phones, you know,
2509
2:00:57
2:00:59
and bumping into people
2510
2:00:59
2:01:00
because they're looking at their screens.
2511
2:01:00
2:01:02
This is crazy behavior.
2512
2:01:02
2:01:05
If people are addicted to anything else
2513
2:01:05
2:01:08
other than mobile phones, which are so necessary,
2514
2:01:08
2:01:12
and social media, which kind of makes them
2515
2:01:12
2:01:13
extremely conformist,
2516
2:01:13
2:01:17
oh yeah, you've got to do everything on Facebook,
2517
2:01:17
2:01:19
you know, your morning chores,
2518
2:01:19
2:01:21
go through all your friends.
2519
2:01:22
2:01:24
You see, nothing, you know, what's happened, Stephen,
2520
2:01:24
2:01:27
is that nothing now ever occurs
2521
2:01:27
2:01:29
unless you post it on someplace
2522
2:01:29
2:01:31
to show people that it's occurred.
2523
2:01:31
2:01:31
Exactly.
2524
2:01:31
2:01:34
So I just can't, I can't go to the beach and have a swim.
2525
2:01:34
2:01:35
It doesn't count.
2526
2:01:35
2:01:39
I've got to make sure that I get a picture of myself
2527
2:01:39
2:01:41
coming out of the waves, and I send it to everybody.
2528
2:01:41
2:01:43
I mean, it's ridiculous.
2529
2:01:43
2:01:44
There's no easy answer to this
2530
2:01:44
2:01:47
because they're not gonna go away anytime soon.
2531
2:01:47
2:01:51
But it is having an addictive effect on people.
2532
2:01:51
2:01:54
It's changing their chemistry in some way
2533
2:01:54
2:01:55
because they're always looking at something,
2534
2:01:55
2:01:57
you're always checking something,
2535
2:01:57
2:01:58
you always want to get from something,
2536
2:01:58
2:01:59
you want to make the news.
2537
2:01:59
2:02:01
You can't enjoy the moment.
2538
2:02:01
2:02:02
You can enjoy the moment,
2539
2:02:04
2:02:05
but we have to live with it.
2540
2:02:05
2:02:10
I just think it's important for us individually
2541
2:02:10
2:02:13
to get away from it, go and do our things,
2542
2:02:13
2:02:15
be with people, be with people,
2543
2:02:15
2:02:19
or be by yourself in nature and take your walks
2544
2:02:19
2:02:21
and leave the phone home.
2545
2:02:21
2:02:23
Don't take it with you.
2546
2:02:23
2:02:25
But then you can find so-called friends
2547
2:02:25
2:02:27
who are saying to you,
2548
2:02:27
2:02:29
why didn't you answer my text?
2549
2:02:29
2:02:30
Well, because I left my phone.
2550
2:02:30
2:02:31
I've left my phone.
2551
2:02:31
2:02:33
Steven, let me tell you something.
2552
2:02:33
2:02:37
Listen, when I first became an intern or medical, whatever,
2553
2:02:37
2:02:40
I think it was, pick me an intern, we got beepers, okay?
2554
2:02:40
2:02:41
And we thought that was the coolest thing,
2555
2:02:41
2:02:45
to get a beeper, because you were important.
2556
2:02:45
2:02:47
Somebody would call you and you'd have to answer
2557
2:02:47
2:02:50
as a doctor, young doctor, boom.
2558
2:02:50
2:02:51
There was a sign of importance.
2559
2:02:51
2:02:54
Well, a week later, after you got beeped 5,000 times,
2560
2:02:54
2:02:56
it lost its glamour.
2561
2:02:56
2:02:59
And then not long after that, the drug dealers had beepers
2562
2:02:59
2:03:03
and everybody's got a beeper in their phone, as it were.
2563
2:03:03
2:03:07
And so everybody's on call all the time.
2564
2:03:07
2:03:08
For what?
2565
2:03:08
2:03:11
We're on call all the time, really.
2566
2:03:11
2:03:13
So they're hyper alert.
2567
2:03:13
2:03:16
They're hyper alert or hyper vigilant, as they called.
2568
2:03:16
2:03:18
Yeah, yeah.
2569
2:03:18
2:03:19
That's a picture in person.
2570
2:03:19
2:03:23
I had a young kid say to me, this young teenager say,
2571
2:03:23
2:03:26
that the good thing about the texting is that,
2572
2:03:26
2:03:27
if you're texting with a boy,
2573
2:03:27
2:03:29
then you don't know when he's gonna answer,
2574
2:03:29
2:03:30
what is he gonna say.
2575
2:03:30
2:03:35
So you're on this kind of anticipatory tension
2576
2:03:35
2:03:38
during this virtual courtship,
2577
2:03:38
2:03:41
where you're always looking forward to the next message.
2578
2:03:41
2:03:44
It's a peculiar thing.
2579
2:03:45
2:03:46
People call me.
2580
2:03:46
2:03:48
But I'm not on Facebook.
2581
2:03:48
2:03:49
I am not on Facebook.
2582
2:03:49
2:03:52
I'm on Substack, if you call that a social media.
2583
2:03:52
2:03:53
I'm not on Facebook.
2584
2:03:55
2:03:57
I'm on a signal group, but that drives me crazy
2585
2:03:57
2:04:00
because there are too many messages and too many things.
2586
2:04:00
2:04:03
And so I know my limits.
2587
2:04:03
2:04:05
I have to keep myself contained
2588
2:04:05
2:04:07
and keep myself insulated from these things.
2589
2:04:08
2:04:10
Yeah, exactly.
2590
2:04:10
2:04:13
So I noticed in your bio, Emmanuel,
2591
2:04:13
2:04:17
that you are an expert, I think it said,
2592
2:04:17
2:04:20
on the psychology of music, classical music.
2593
2:04:20
2:04:20
Is that right?
2594
2:04:20
2:04:23
Mahler and Wagner.
2595
2:04:23
2:04:25
Well, I've written a number of papers.
2596
2:04:27
2:04:28
Who's an expert?
2597
2:04:29
2:04:32
One of the things I did in my career was,
2598
2:04:32
2:04:34
I was the psychiatric consultant
2599
2:04:34
2:04:38
for a very famous conservatory of music in Philadelphia.
2600
2:04:38
2:04:39
And I was sort of the,
2601
2:04:39
2:04:42
I developed health education seminars,
2602
2:04:42
2:04:44
injury prevention seminars.
2603
2:04:44
2:04:48
I saw students individually for psychotherapy.
2604
2:04:48
2:04:50
I had meetings with teachers
2605
2:04:50
2:04:53
and the administrative staff and all that.
2606
2:04:53
2:04:55
And it was a wonderful, wonderful experience.
2607
2:04:55
2:04:58
And it was a great institution.
2608
2:04:58
2:05:01
A lot of their graduates are very famous musicians
2609
2:05:01
2:05:02
around the world.
2610
2:05:02
2:05:06
And I have always had a great interest in music.
2611
2:05:06
2:05:08
And part of my research as an analyst
2612
2:05:08
2:05:11
was into the psychology of creativity.
2613
2:05:11
2:05:13
So I wrote a number of papers on Mahler
2614
2:05:13
2:05:16
and Rachmaninoff and Scriabin and whatnot.
2615
2:05:18
2:05:20
So what can you tell us about Mahler then?
2616
2:05:22
2:05:25
Oh, it's too long for a group like this.
2617
2:05:25
2:05:27
Mahler was a fascinating individual.
2618
2:05:27
2:05:29
He consulted with Freud and Leiden
2619
2:05:30
2:05:33
at a very critical time of his life
2620
2:05:33
2:05:37
when his wife, he discovered his wife was having an affair.
2621
2:05:37
2:05:40
And after that consultation,
2622
2:05:40
2:05:44
he kind of went from living in this miserable,
2623
2:05:44
2:05:47
creative tension all the time to sort of accepting
2624
2:05:47
2:05:51
some of the joys and pleasures of life and his wife.
2625
2:05:51
2:05:53
And then, but dying shortly thereafter
2626
2:05:53
2:05:55
as if his creative demon had been extinguished
2627
2:05:55
2:05:58
by the acceptance of pleasure.
2628
2:05:58
2:06:00
Yeah. Kind of complicated, but.
2629
2:06:01
2:06:02
I understand.
2630
2:06:02
2:06:03
Emmanuel, could I ask you,
2631
2:06:03
2:06:05
so I know everyone on this group
2632
2:06:05
2:06:08
is interested in classical music, but I am anyway.
2633
2:06:08
2:06:12
So I don't know whether you know the book,
2634
2:06:12
2:06:13
Conquest of Happiness,
2635
2:06:13
2:06:15
The Conquest of Happiness by Bertrand Russell.
2636
2:06:16
2:06:17
Oh, I've heard of it.
2637
2:06:17
2:06:18
I haven't read it though.
2638
2:06:18
2:06:19
Yeah, I've heard of it, yeah.
2639
2:06:19
2:06:21
You should, well, I think you should read it,
2640
2:06:21
2:06:23
but maybe you know it all already.
2641
2:06:23
2:06:26
So what Bertrand Russell do is very, very logical,
2642
2:06:27
2:06:31
but maybe it's the illogicality of human beings,
2643
2:06:31
2:06:35
you know, the instincts which make human beings
2644
2:06:35
2:06:36
good and powerful, you know,
2645
2:06:36
2:06:39
like people we want to be friends with.
2646
2:06:39
2:06:42
But anyway, Conquest of Happiness,
2647
2:06:42
2:06:47
Bertrand Russell goes through the causes of happiness
2648
2:06:47
2:06:51
and the causes of unhappiness, sorry, first,
2649
2:06:51
2:06:53
then the causes of happiness,
2650
2:06:53
2:06:57
and then he has a chapter called The Happy Man.
2651
2:06:57
2:06:59
So, and it's very interesting to read.
2652
2:06:59
2:07:01
Nobody knows about this book.
2653
2:07:01
2:07:04
He wrote about a hundred books, Bertrand Russell,
2654
2:07:04
2:07:08
so he's a victim in his own prolific writings.
2655
2:07:09
2:07:12
And so this book I've known for about,
2656
2:07:12
2:07:14
I can't remember how I came across it,
2657
2:07:14
2:07:17
but I've known it since I was like 20.
2658
2:07:17
2:07:21
And I've read it many times.
2659
2:07:21
2:07:23
Sometimes I read a chapter here and there
2660
2:07:24
2:07:26
to remind me, to get me back on track.
2661
2:07:26
2:07:28
But anyway, everyone wants to be happy.
2662
2:07:29
2:07:33
And Bertrand Russell makes the interesting observation.
2663
2:07:33
2:07:35
He said, animals seem to be happy.
2664
2:07:36
2:07:38
Why aren't humans happy?
2665
2:07:38
2:07:40
So, but that's just one thing.
2666
2:07:40
2:07:43
So I just wondered whether you as a psychoanalyst
2667
2:07:43
2:07:46
and a psychiatrist have insights
2668
2:07:46
2:07:49
on how we can all become happy on this group
2669
2:07:49
2:07:52
and the people watching the videos afterwards.
2670
2:07:54
2:07:57
Well, I have two remarks to make.
2671
2:07:57
2:08:00
One, I don't know if I want to conquer happiness.
2672
2:08:00
2:08:02
I want to be happy, I guess.
2673
2:08:03
2:08:05
I don't see happiness something to be conquered.
2674
2:08:05
2:08:08
But is happiness necessary?
2675
2:08:08
2:08:10
I think it's necessary to live,
2676
2:08:10
2:08:14
necessary to do what you feel is right and good.
2677
2:08:14
2:08:17
And if happiness comes from that,
2678
2:08:17
2:08:19
then you're thrice blessed.
2679
2:08:19
2:08:22
And if not, you continue to do what you need to do.
2680
2:08:24
2:08:26
So I think from doing the right thing,
2681
2:08:28
2:08:30
this last four years, I've really thought about this.
2682
2:08:30
2:08:31
From doing the right thing,
2683
2:08:31
2:08:36
there's a good chance that you'll create the conditions
2684
2:08:36
2:08:38
which will cause you to be happy.
2685
2:08:38
2:08:41
But that's not the reason why you do the good things,
2686
2:08:41
2:08:42
in my opinion.
2687
2:08:42
2:08:43
It should be all truistic.
2688
2:08:43
2:08:47
And then with doing the right thing,
2689
2:08:47
2:08:50
then you, or vaguely the right thing,
2690
2:08:50
2:08:55
in the sense of promoting human beings,
2691
2:08:55
2:08:57
what makes them special,
2692
2:08:57
2:09:00
and criticizing any anti-human agendas.
2693
2:09:00
2:09:02
There are lots of them at the moment.
2694
2:09:02
2:09:05
And so you don't...
2695
2:09:05
2:09:06
So one of the things he says
2696
2:09:06
2:09:09
is a great cause of unhappiness is envy.
2697
2:09:09
2:09:10
I agree.
2698
2:09:10
2:09:11
It really is.
2699
2:09:11
2:09:13
It really eats me up.
2700
2:09:13
2:09:14
Yeah, yeah.
2701
2:09:14
2:09:15
Yeah, that's a waste of time, isn't it?
2702
2:09:15
2:09:17
Envy, I mean, my gosh.
2703
2:09:17
2:09:18
Just there's so much...
2704
2:09:19
2:09:21
Listen, a lot of people are living in misery
2705
2:09:21
2:09:23
and in terrible conditions.
2706
2:09:23
2:09:25
And we have to understand that.
2707
2:09:25
2:09:27
And they're fighting for a daily life.
2708
2:09:27
2:09:30
They're fighting to eat, fighting to make a living.
2709
2:09:30
2:09:31
And these are terrible things.
2710
2:09:31
2:09:32
People are living in war right now,
2711
2:09:32
2:09:34
as we know in various places in the world.
2712
2:09:34
2:09:36
These are terrible things.
2713
2:09:37
2:09:41
We who are fortunate enough not to be in those situations
2714
2:09:42
2:09:45
just need to appreciate the pleasures,
2715
2:09:45
2:09:48
the treasures around us of the natural world
2716
2:09:48
2:09:50
and of our fellow human beings.
2717
2:09:51
2:09:56
And good works, good works, doing something good
2718
2:09:56
2:09:59
always makes me feel good if I do something good.
2719
2:10:00
2:10:03
And relax and stop planning.
2720
2:10:03
2:10:06
Everybody's planning for the next month
2721
2:10:06
2:10:08
and the next week and the next day.
2722
2:10:08
2:10:10
They can't enjoy the moment.
2723
2:10:10
2:10:12
No, there really is something to this idea of this Zen idea
2724
2:10:12
2:10:15
of really immersing oneself in the moment.
2725
2:10:15
2:10:18
This gets back to my psychoanalytic work.
2726
2:10:18
2:10:21
All I could do in that moment, quote unquote,
2727
2:10:21
2:10:25
of that patient hour was to absorb and listen
2728
2:10:25
2:10:26
and to be in a different zone
2729
2:10:26
2:10:30
so I could really comprehend what was being communicated.
2730
2:10:30
2:10:32
And that has been, I mean,
2731
2:10:32
2:10:35
it's a wonderful experience to do that.
2732
2:10:35
2:10:37
So I'll give you some advice.
2733
2:10:37
2:10:39
I'm not in the advice business, by the way,
2734
2:10:39
2:10:40
but I'm gonna give you some advice.
2735
2:10:40
2:10:42
So I contrast myself.
2736
2:10:42
2:10:46
My advice is when you're with another person,
2737
2:10:46
2:10:49
devote yourself completely and utterly
2738
2:10:49
2:10:51
to absorbing that person.
2739
2:10:53
2:10:54
How many times, I'm with people,
2740
2:10:54
2:10:56
I can't even get a word out edgewise
2741
2:10:56
2:10:58
and they start questioning me, asking me, interrupting me.
2742
2:10:58
2:11:02
It's like, geez, let me finish my sentence.
2743
2:11:02
2:11:05
People don't even let each other finish their sentences.
2744
2:11:05
2:11:09
Sit with a person and just sit and just listen.
2745
2:11:10
2:11:12
That's the joy of life, actually.
2746
2:11:13
2:11:15
Yeah, so one of the things I've noticed
2747
2:11:17
2:11:21
is that the people that you really like to be,
2748
2:11:21
2:11:24
the people that I really like to be with
2749
2:11:24
2:11:27
are somehow very invested in you when they're talking to you.
2750
2:11:27
2:11:32
So you feel as if you're the only person in the world
2751
2:11:32
2:11:34
when they are talking to you.
2752
2:11:34
2:11:36
Those people are, I think it's a gift.
2753
2:11:37
2:11:42
And yeah, I think you're right
2754
2:11:42
2:11:46
that if you treasure every moment,
2755
2:11:46
2:11:49
but people are so dissatisfied with themselves
2756
2:11:49
2:11:52
and with their lives, they think everybody's got,
2757
2:11:52
2:11:53
and particularly with social media,
2758
2:11:53
2:11:55
they think everybody's got a better life than they have.
2759
2:11:55
2:11:57
It's not true.
2760
2:11:57
2:11:59
If you think you can be a human being
2761
2:11:59
2:12:00
and go through the whole of your life
2762
2:12:00
2:12:03
without any problems at all, it doesn't happen.
2763
2:12:03
2:12:06
And people should stop feeling sorry for themselves
2764
2:12:06
2:12:07
and just fight to get through
2765
2:12:07
2:12:09
to the other side of all the problems.
2766
2:12:09
2:12:11
Yeah, that's a good point.
2767
2:12:11
2:12:13
Stephen, I had a conversation with my son last night
2768
2:12:13
2:12:15
and he talked about, we talked about this issue
2769
2:12:15
2:12:16
of victimhood.
2770
2:12:16
2:12:19
And when I grew up,
2771
2:12:19
2:12:22
I had no idea that I was disadvantaged in any way.
2772
2:12:24
2:12:25
And it was only later when people said,
2773
2:12:25
2:12:28
oh, but your father didn't do this or wasn't this,
2774
2:12:28
2:12:32
or your parent was like, I just did my thing.
2775
2:12:32
2:12:35
I had no idea that I had all these handicaps in my life.
2776
2:12:35
2:12:38
I mean, really, they weren't handicaps.
2777
2:12:38
2:12:40
We make our own handicaps.
2778
2:12:40
2:12:42
If we think of ourselves in this way,
2779
2:12:42
2:12:44
and we're always measuring
2780
2:12:44
2:12:46
and comparing ourselves with everything.
2781
2:12:46
2:12:48
Yeah, so it's really self-destructive.
2782
2:12:48
2:12:50
It's just nonsense, I think.
2783
2:12:50
2:12:51
So that's very important.
2784
2:12:51
2:12:52
I think a lot of that goes on.
2785
2:12:52
2:12:56
So they're kind of looking at the social media,
2786
2:12:56
2:12:57
people are always thinking,
2787
2:12:57
2:12:58
well, first of all,
2788
2:12:58
2:13:02
all the selfies are the perfect conditions,
2789
2:13:02
2:13:04
and everybody's at their best,
2790
2:13:04
2:13:06
and it doesn't get onto the social media
2791
2:13:06
2:13:10
unless it's approved by the person who's taken it.
2792
2:13:10
2:13:13
So obviously you're looking at this unreal world,
2793
2:13:13
2:13:15
and it's very easy, especially for young people,
2794
2:13:15
2:13:19
to kind of fall into this dissatisfaction with themselves,
2795
2:13:19
2:13:23
which itself, in itself is anti-human
2796
2:13:23
2:13:26
because they don't make the best of themselves
2797
2:13:26
2:13:29
because they give up before they've even started life.
2798
2:13:29
2:13:31
They're not happy with themselves.
2799
2:13:31
2:13:33
They start criticizing themselves.
2800
2:13:33
2:13:36
And then the whole propaganda is,
2801
2:13:36
2:13:38
oh, you're not a good father,
2802
2:13:38
2:13:40
you're not a good mother or whatever, you know.
2803
2:13:40
2:13:43
And so everybody, and people take that to heart,
2804
2:13:43
2:13:44
and they get disheartened.
2805
2:13:44
2:13:47
People need hope, and they need encouragement,
2806
2:13:47
2:13:49
and that needs to be emphasized.
2807
2:13:49
2:13:51
So I think we need to do,
2808
2:13:51
2:13:56
you need to create a curriculum for school children
2809
2:13:56
2:13:59
on how to think in a healthy way.
2810
2:13:59
2:14:01
Steven, they don't need hope, they need hemp.
2811
2:14:04
2:14:05
No, I said hope.
2812
2:14:05
2:14:06
I know.
2813
2:14:06
2:14:07
Charles.
2814
2:14:07
2:14:08
Oh yeah, I know you're joking, yeah.
2815
2:14:10
2:14:13
I was gaslighting you, Charles, for joking.
2816
2:14:14
2:14:15
Too smart for me.
2817
2:14:16
2:14:18
No, no, no.
2818
2:14:18
2:14:20
It's just luck, if I get it right.
2819
2:14:22
2:14:25
So anyway, what was I gonna say?
2820
2:14:25
2:14:26
Oh yeah.
2821
2:14:26
2:14:29
A course, a course for many to do a course.
2822
2:14:29
2:14:32
Emmanuel, I'm asking you all these broad questions.
2823
2:14:32
2:14:34
I couldn't answer them myself, but I wanna ask you,
2824
2:14:34
2:14:36
can you tell us what you know about cults?
2825
2:14:37
2:14:40
And was, you know Lord of the Flies, William Golding,
2826
2:14:40
2:14:41
was that a cult?
2827
2:14:41
2:14:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of a cult, yeah, of course.
2828
2:14:45
2:14:46
I think cults are really groups.
2829
2:14:46
2:14:49
Groups, it's part of group psychology.
2830
2:14:49
2:14:51
A lot of people have written about group psychology,
2831
2:14:51
2:14:54
including Freud and many others.
2832
2:14:54
2:14:59
And cults are just more of a more intense specialized version
2833
2:15:00
2:15:02
of a particular group.
2834
2:15:02
2:15:05
But we had a Covidian cult here in New Zealand.
2835
2:15:05
2:15:06
It was a big one.
2836
2:15:07
2:15:09
Really, okay?
2837
2:15:09
2:15:10
And we have different religious cults.
2838
2:15:10
2:15:13
I know I've treated one or two people who've been in cults
2839
2:15:13
2:15:14
and have gotten out of them.
2840
2:15:14
2:15:19
And you know, they are for various reasons
2841
2:15:20
2:15:22
in positions of relative weakness,
2842
2:15:22
2:15:25
and the cult provides strength and identity
2843
2:15:25
2:15:28
and purpose and meaning.
2844
2:15:28
2:15:31
And that becomes the impetus to be part of that
2845
2:15:31
2:15:36
and to then take action as a member of a cult.
2846
2:15:38
2:15:40
In whatever way the cult decides.
2847
2:15:40
2:15:41
I mean, one of the things in New Zealand,
2848
2:15:41
2:15:43
one of the things in New Zealand was,
2849
2:15:43
2:15:47
this is an important thing, was we were all in it together.
2850
2:15:47
2:15:48
This is the message we got.
2851
2:15:48
2:15:52
We're all in it together by staying apart, by the way.
2852
2:15:52
2:15:53
We're all in it together by being locked away
2853
2:15:53
2:15:55
and locked down and staying apart.
2854
2:15:55
2:15:58
It was a ridiculous, absurd, ironic message,
2855
2:15:58
2:16:03
but it was bought, it was bought by these people
2856
2:16:03
2:16:05
in this kind of cult.
2857
2:16:05
2:16:06
So they had meaning.
2858
2:16:06
2:16:08
We are helping each other.
2859
2:16:08
2:16:10
We're helping each other by imposing these restrictions
2860
2:16:10
2:16:13
on our liberties and not seeing each other
2861
2:16:13
2:16:14
and all that other stuff.
2863
2:16:17
2:16:19
So I think that the attraction of cults,
2864
2:16:19
2:16:24
so I think that human beings have a predilection for cults.
2865
2:16:24
2:16:27
And the reason they have it is because actually,
2866
2:16:27
2:16:29
if they're a member of the cult, guess what?
2867
2:16:29
2:16:31
They don't have to take responsibility.
2868
2:16:31
2:16:34
And that's perfect for most human beings
2869
2:16:34
2:16:36
because they don't like taking responsibility
2870
2:16:36
2:16:41
because they find it a bit scary
2871
2:16:41
2:16:44
or they are lazy or whatever.
2872
2:16:44
2:16:45
They don't want to take responsibility.
2873
2:16:45
2:16:49
And I'm talking about like 95% of people.
2874
2:16:50
2:16:54
Even when their own family needs help,
2875
2:16:54
2:16:57
they don't take the responsibility that they should.
2876
2:16:57
2:16:58
They don't really think about
2877
2:16:58
2:17:01
what their next action should be.
2878
2:17:01
2:17:01
And then they have to-
2879
2:17:02
2:17:03
You know what?
2880
2:17:03
2:17:06
Again, let me go back to Plato in the ancient Greeks.
2881
2:17:06
2:17:07
Now, the ancient Greeks weren't perfect.
2882
2:17:07
2:17:10
They were warmongering, crazy people in their own way.
2883
2:17:10
2:17:15
But the idea of philosophy was to examine life
2884
2:17:16
2:17:19
in a way that you could live fully.
2885
2:17:19
2:17:23
And that meant taking full responsibility about things.
2886
2:17:23
2:17:25
And in re-reading Plato, one gets the sense,
2887
2:17:25
2:17:30
these were very, I think people were actually smarter then.
2888
2:17:30
2:17:31
I hate to say it.
2889
2:17:31
2:17:34
I think they were very, very smart
2890
2:17:34
2:17:37
in the midst of their low technology.
2891
2:17:37
2:17:38
We think technology means we're smart.
2892
2:17:38
2:17:39
It doesn't.
2893
2:17:39
2:17:40
It doesn't, no.
2894
2:17:40
2:17:43
But they're examining their life
2895
2:17:43
2:17:46
in a way that wasn't self-indulgent,
2896
2:17:46
2:17:49
but it was geared towards living fully.
2897
2:17:49
2:17:51
And it's a very beautiful thing when you think of it.
2898
2:17:51
2:17:55
But people are not taught about autonomy in schools.
2899
2:17:55
2:17:58
Schools are exercise and submission.
2900
2:17:58
2:18:00
Do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that.
2901
2:18:01
2:18:04
I'll give you one example that completely shocked me.
2902
2:18:04
2:18:08
I asked a very lovely young teenage girl here
2903
2:18:08
2:18:11
as a friend of a, daughter of a friend of mine, musician,
2904
2:18:11
2:18:14
what she was reading in her, in school,
2905
2:18:14
2:18:17
which novels she was reading in her last year of school.
2906
2:18:17
2:18:20
She said, oh, well, we don't really read novels,
2907
2:18:20
2:18:21
whole books like that.
2908
2:18:21
2:18:23
We just read excerpts.
2910
2:18:24
2:18:25
And I said, are you kidding me?
2911
2:18:25
2:18:28
This is a private girl's school in Wellington.
2912
2:18:28
2:18:30
I said, you gotta be kidding me.
2913
2:18:30
2:18:32
She's not kidding me.
2914
2:18:32
2:18:35
Okay, the educational stuff, the educational system
2915
2:18:35
2:18:39
is really dumbing people down.
2916
2:18:39
2:18:41
And at a time when they would be hungry
2917
2:18:41
2:18:45
for reading books or adventures of discovery
2918
2:18:45
2:18:48
and self-discovery, they're reading excerpts
2919
2:18:48
2:18:50
of this here and there, it was appalling.
2920
2:18:50
2:18:53
Anyway, I gave her a few books and she's read them.
2921
2:18:53
2:18:54
She's a social kid.
2922
2:18:54
2:18:56
Three or four minutes left.
2923
2:18:56
2:18:59
And on that point, Manny, I spoke to someone yesterday
2924
2:18:59
2:19:03
from one of Australia's top secondary schools.
2925
2:19:03
2:19:06
And that issue is happening, Stephen, in Australia,
2926
2:19:06
2:19:10
where these top schools are pressured by government.
2927
2:19:10
2:19:13
And because these top schools have alumni,
2928
2:19:13
2:19:16
old boys, old girls who are in government
2929
2:19:16
2:19:20
pushing the narrative, the parents are pissed off about it,
2930
2:19:20
2:19:23
but anyone who speaks up against the woke transgender,
2931
2:19:23
2:19:28
politically correct agenda at the schools
2932
2:19:28
2:19:32
are ostracised and pressured by the school council
2933
2:19:32
2:19:33
to shut up or get out.
2935
2:19:38
2:19:43
So they don't want autonomous human beings, do they?
2936
2:19:43
2:19:47
Partly because the teacher doesn't even use the word
2937
2:19:47
2:19:51
autonomous, but it's a very important word, actually,
2938
2:19:51
2:19:54
because if we had autonomous doctors,
2939
2:19:54
2:19:57
if we had had in the last four years,
2940
2:19:57
2:20:00
instead of all this evidence-based medicine
2941
2:20:00
2:20:04
and the predilection for protocols and guidelines,
2942
2:20:07
2:20:08
then we wouldn't have had a problem.
2943
2:20:08
2:20:10
But no, we had protocols and guidelines
2944
2:20:10
2:20:11
and evidence-based medicine,
2945
2:20:11
2:20:14
and we didn't have autonomous doctors,
2946
2:20:14
2:20:17
although I thought that we did.
2947
2:20:17
2:20:19
And I was very surprised when they turned out
2948
2:20:19
2:20:23
to be completely lacking in autonomy.
2949
2:20:23
2:20:26
So what happened to informed consent
2950
2:20:26
2:20:29
within the evidence-based medicine framework, Stephen?
2951
2:20:29
2:20:32
Yeah, that seems to have been an exception.
2952
2:20:32
2:20:33
Very interesting, isn't it?
2953
2:20:33
2:20:35
Very, yeah.
2954
2:20:35
2:20:37
So there was no possibility, Emmanuel,
2955
2:20:37
2:20:40
I realised straight away, there was no possibility
2956
2:20:40
2:20:43
that informed consent could be obtained
2957
2:20:43
2:20:45
by any human being in the world,
2958
2:20:45
2:20:46
because guess what?
2959
2:20:46
2:20:50
Not a single doctor in the world knew what was in the shots.
2960
2:20:50
2:20:53
So he couldn't explain, he couldn't give the information
2961
2:20:53
2:20:56
to the patients, his patients.
2962
2:20:56
2:20:59
But of course, the doctors weren't even doing the,
2963
2:20:59
2:21:01
well, some of them were actually,
2964
2:21:01
2:21:03
weren't even doing the vaccinations,
2965
2:21:03
2:21:05
they were getting hairdressers.
2966
2:21:05
2:21:08
They took that, exactly, they took it away from doctors.
2967
2:21:08
2:21:10
But you couldn't, you can inform people by saying,
2968
2:21:10
2:21:13
listen, this is something new,
2969
2:21:13
2:21:15
it has not been tested adequately,
2970
2:21:15
2:21:16
it has not had the test of years,
2971
2:21:16
2:21:18
which would normally take any medicine
2972
2:21:18
2:21:20
or intervention to be developed.
2973
2:21:20
2:21:22
We don't know what may happen.
2974
2:21:22
2:21:25
I mean, honestly, but again,
2975
2:21:27
2:21:29
I'm so sick of talking about the jab.
2976
2:21:29
2:21:32
The jab was never necessary.
2977
2:21:32
2:21:35
The jab is a disaster.
2978
2:21:35
2:21:38
And yet for many people,
2979
2:21:38
2:21:41
it was deemed by them as the only way out
2980
2:21:41
2:21:45
of this horrific fear that had been induced
2981
2:21:45
2:21:47
by the other people.
2982
2:21:48
2:21:49
All right, Stephen, we're gonna go,
2983
2:21:49
2:21:52
that's wonderful, two and a half hours.
2984
2:21:52
2:21:55
Again, Stephen, I criticise our guest
2985
2:21:55
2:21:56
for not having to go to the toilet.
2986
2:21:56
2:21:59
Manny, it shows you are not drinking enough water
2987
2:21:59
2:22:02
unless you've got a special tube hidden somewhere.
2988
2:22:02
2:22:05
No, you've got good fluid balance, Charles.
2989
2:22:05
2:22:07
That's right, that's right.
2990
2:22:07
2:22:09
All right, Stephen, Manny,
2991
2:22:09
2:22:12
thank you so much for sharing your truth.
2992
2:22:12
2:22:15
I love the fact that you write what you feel like writing.
2993
2:22:15
2:22:18
That's the future, each one of us sees life differently.
2994
2:22:18
2:22:21
That's the essence of love.
2995
2:22:21
2:22:23
And I wanna share an interesting quote
2996
2:22:24
2:22:26
from a wonderful book, everybody.
2997
2:22:26
2:22:27
I don't know if you've seen it,
2998
2:22:27
2:22:29
The Tools of Titans by Tim Ferriss.
2999
2:22:29
2:22:33
I'm a big fan of Tim Ferriss, totally alternative thinking.
3000
2:22:33
2:22:38
Tools of Titans has got about 250 true Titans,
3001
2:22:40
2:22:42
tools of Titans.
3002
2:22:42
2:22:45
And there's a wonderful, for example, on Whitney Cummings.
3003
2:22:45
2:22:48
I don't know if you've ever heard of Whitney Cummings,
3004
2:22:48
2:22:49
American comedian.
3005
2:22:51
2:22:55
And a lot of these people are spectacular in their lives,
3006
2:22:55
2:22:56
what they've achieved, I've never heard of them,
3007
2:22:56
2:22:59
just shows you how many wonderful people there are.
3008
2:23:00
2:23:02
And there was this beautiful quote
3009
2:23:02
2:23:04
that I wanna share with you before we go.
3010
2:23:04
2:23:07
And Manny, it ties into your whole theme
3011
2:23:08
2:23:13
of the perspective, of the loss of friends.
3012
2:23:14
2:23:17
And Whitney Cummings, look her up,
3013
2:23:17
2:23:19
I think if you can find it about Whitney,
3014
2:23:19
2:23:22
she's well known, where's her website?
3015
2:23:22
2:23:25
Her website is WhitneyCummings.com,
3016
2:23:25
2:23:29
W-H-I-T-N-E-Y-C-U-W-M-I-N-G-S.
3017
2:23:29
2:23:31
And here's her definition of love.
3018
2:23:34
2:23:39
My definition of love is being willing to die for someone
3019
2:23:40
2:23:43
who you yourself want to kill.
3020
2:23:43
2:23:45
That in my experience is kind of the deal.
3021
2:23:45
2:23:49
My definition of love is being willing to die
3022
2:23:49
2:23:53
for someone who you yourself want to kill.
3023
2:23:53
2:23:55
So there you are, there's a thought provoking thought
3024
2:23:55
2:23:55
for all of us.
3025
2:23:55
2:23:58
Pretty easy to love people who agree with us.
3026
2:23:58
2:24:02
The challenge is loving those who disagree with us.
3027
2:24:02
2:24:04
So there's the thought, everybody please.
3028
2:24:04
2:24:06
Oh, can I just say one last thing about Emmanuel?
3029
2:24:06
2:24:10
So I think one of the things that Manuel,
3030
2:24:11
2:24:14
I have thought of this actually, but I keep forgetting it.
3031
2:24:14
2:24:16
And Emmanuel brought it up.
3032
2:24:16
2:24:18
When you're talking to people one to one,
3033
2:24:18
2:24:22
give them your full attention and give them time.
3034
2:24:22
2:24:26
And you do get rewarded, because I've tried to be,
3035
2:24:26
2:24:30
I've been trying to do that in the last three or four months.
3036
2:24:30
2:24:33
And it's amazing what kind of connection you make.
3037
2:24:33
2:24:35
Even with people on the phone,
3038
2:24:35
2:24:37
if you give them your full attention,
3039
2:24:37
2:24:39
if you give them your full attention,
3040
2:24:41
2:24:43
and time, because a lot of people feel rushed
3041
2:24:43
2:24:46
in conversations and the reason they interrupt is one,
3042
2:24:46
2:24:47
because they think they're gonna forget
3043
2:24:47
2:24:49
what they want to say.
3044
2:24:49
2:24:51
And two, they don't feel they have time.
3045
2:24:52
2:24:54
And we need to make time.
3046
2:24:56
2:24:58
You've given me a great deal of time here.
3047
2:24:58
2:25:00
And I have to say, I feel quite privileged
3048
2:25:00
2:25:05
to have been part of this and to absorb this wonderful energy
3049
2:25:05
2:25:08
and the thoughts and questions from everybody.
3050
2:25:08
2:25:10
It's inspiring.
3051
2:25:10
2:25:11
And as you say, Charles,
3052
2:25:11
2:25:13
there are more people doing wonderful things
3053
2:25:13
2:25:15
we don't know about all around the world.
3054
2:25:15
2:25:17
And we should keep that in mind.
3055
2:25:17
2:25:20
And I was given a glimpse of some of these wonders today.
3056
2:25:22
2:25:23
Well said, thank you, Manny.
3057
2:25:23
2:25:24
Thank you, Stephen.
3058
2:25:24
2:25:25
Thank you, everybody.
3059
2:25:25
2:25:28
Have a wonderful, wonderful Tuesday night, Wednesday.
3060
2:25:28
2:25:30
And we'll be back with you on Sunday, Monday.
3062
2:25:32
2:25:34
Bye, thanks, Manny.
3063
2:25:34
2:25:34
Bye, Charles, thank you.
3064
2:25:35
2:25:36
And I have a place for Manny, for those of you.
3065
2:25:36
2:25:38
Thank you, Emmanuel.
3066
2:25:38
2:25:39
Thank you.
3067
2:25:39
2:25:40
Very good.
3068
2:25:40
2:25:42
A decent psychiatrist.
3069
2:25:43
2:25:46
Do you have a good opinion of your colleagues, Emmanuel?
3070
2:25:48
2:25:50
It all depends which ones.
3071
2:25:50
2:25:52
No, I mean, the psychiatrist, because...
3072
2:25:52
2:25:54
Yeah, it depends which.
3073
2:25:54
2:25:57
There's a lot of, yeah, that's a long topic, Stephen.
3074
2:25:57
2:25:59
I don't wanna get into that so much.
3076
2:26:01
2:26:02
All right, off we go.
3077
2:26:02
2:26:03
One of the things I've noticed,
3078
2:26:03
2:26:04
one of the things I've noticed, Manny,
3079
2:26:05
2:26:07
sorry, Charles, we're just having a little chat
3080
2:26:07
2:26:08
so you cut us off.
3081
2:26:09
2:26:11
One of the things I've noticed is that, you know,
3082
2:26:11
2:26:14
they are doctors, psychiatrists, but the weird thing is,
3083
2:26:14
2:26:18
so I have met very few psychiatrists.
3084
2:26:18
2:26:21
And when I'm looking for a psychiatrist for my patients,
3085
2:26:21
2:26:24
it's very difficult to find one I trust.
3086
2:26:24
2:26:27
And so I end up referring the patient
3087
2:26:27
2:26:30
to a clinical psychologist, who I found very, very helpful
3088
2:26:30
2:26:32
when I was working for the military,
3089
2:26:32
2:26:35
the consultant clinical psychologist,
3090
2:26:35
2:26:37
much better than the military psychiatrist.
3091
2:26:38
2:26:41
All right, we're stopping this recording and we're going.
3092
2:26:41
2:26:45
You guys, you keep talking.
3093
2:26:45
2:26:46
Have a conversation.
3094
2:26:46
2:26:47
Okay, bye everybody.