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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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And Glenn, you have a short statement to make that is relevant to the Donald Trump attempted
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assassination attempt.
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It appears.
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As I've described to this group, I'm part of the American Patriot Civil Defense Net.
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Team is linked with the Department of Defense, a very significant and high intel group.
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And we broadcast shows on Brumble under L4ATV1.
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And here's a prepared statement.
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So it's not ad hoc.
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It was fully prepared, and I'm reading it to you directly.
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A little update.
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The shooter in the case of the event with President Trump.
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His name is Thomas Matthew Crooks.
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Now that has been reported, but most of the other information about him has been either
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buried or not misreported.
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He is a heroin and coke dealer distributor, manufacturer with five unjailed convictions
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under his belt in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, per public records.
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But dates are altered in some of those records.
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One of Hunter Biden's drug dealer buddies reportedly hired him.
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He was Hunter Biden's.
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It was Hunter Biden acting for Joe Biden, securing and protecting the big guy franchise
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from the Biden crime family for four more years.
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He is a stone cold crime wave, Hunter, like father, like son.
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You can take that to the bank.
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The FBI is going to cover it up the way they did the rigged election, their January 6th
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hoax and the laptop from hell and help try framing Trump multiple times.
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The Justice Department is not well, nor are Soros, Clinton, Biden, Pelosi, Mayorkas, Garland,
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et cetera, families.
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So with that one other point around things that are being reported, it is not an inside
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job with the execution team, meaning the...
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Blanking out their name.
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The detail that was covering Trump is very honest.
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The major failure that we had here was in that ring, there was a local policeman.
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He was advised that there was somebody on the roof.
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Instead of calling it in and calling for backup, he climbed up the ladder, the gunman turned
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on him and then he fell off the ladder.
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Other than that, that was a stupid mistake by a local policeman.
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Other than that, you have righteous people taking the actions.
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And thank you for the time.
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Thank you, Glenn.
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And welcome to today's discussion with Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost over three years ago with a desire to pursue
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truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health and the proper application of law very relevant
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to today's presenter.
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Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower
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and activist.
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His medical specialty is radiology.
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I'm Charles Covets, the moderator of this group.
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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago.
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And over the last 13 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine
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damage and damage from bad medical advice.
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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
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On the issue of vaccine damage, I note that Stanley Plotkin, a proponent for the last
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40 years about the amazing safety and efficacy of childhood vaccines, has now co-authored
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an article acknowledging, acknowledging due to the good work of Del Bigtree and the Highwire
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that childhood vaccines have never been properly tested for safety or efficacy ever.
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And I urge all of you to understand the profound importance of that statement of the fraud
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that's been perpetrated on humanity from these childhood vaccines.
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And I urge you all to get hold of the Aaron Ciri article to show to all of your friends
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who ever say that childhood vaccines are a good idea.
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I state also on the record that I've yet to meet a parent who refused to vaccinate their
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children who regrets that decision.
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If you know of any, please let me know.
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Or please let us know.
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We comprise lots of professionals here and we're from all around the world.
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If this is your first time here, welcome and introduce yourself.
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I apologize for my cough.
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It's 5 a.m. in the morning here in Melbourne, Australia.
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I don't know what's happened.
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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that the medical science
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battle is only one of 12 battle fronts of this latest World War.
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One of the other battle fronts is the legal front, is the legal, is the proper application
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of law that Chris Coverdale, our guest today, is going to be talking about.
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Most of us understand that the science is never settled.
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The meeting runs for two and a half hours after which, for those with the time, Tom
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Rodman runs a video telegram meeting.
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Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.
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We will listen to our guest presenter, Chris Coverdale, for as long as Chris wishes to
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speak and then we have Q&A.
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Stephen Frost, by long established tradition, asked the first questions for 15 minutes.
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If you're offended by anything, be offended.
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We are lovingly not interested.
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We reject the offense industry and we reject the triggering industry.
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The triggering industry that says don't say a particular thing because it may trigger
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somebody.
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We call BS on that proposition.
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We come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear.
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Fear is the opposite of love.
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Fear squashes you.
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Fear enslaves you.
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Fear takes away your freedoms.
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Love on the other hand expands you and liberates you.
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The meeting is recorded and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel.
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And now welcome to our presenter, Chris Coverdale, and for the purposes of the recording, for
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those who didn't receive the meeting invitation, I will tell you about Chris Coverdale.
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After 25 years running a behavioral science and engineering consultancy firm and four
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years investigating fraud and corruption in government and large corporations, Chris became
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a full time peace activist in 2002 when he discovered that the UK government had for
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many decades been deceiving Parliament.
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Her Majesty's, now His Majesty's military forces and the public over the illegal criminal
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nature of war and the funding of war.
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Having helped to set up legal action against war and make war history, Chris Coverdale
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has had numerous attempts to prevent Britain's leaders and taxpayers from their criminal
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participation in war, war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.
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Since 2017, Chris has been developing a lawful taxation trust method of paying all taxes
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and financial payments to government into trusts on the condition that public authorities
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can only obtain the money when the trustees receive proof that none of the money will
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ever be used for criminal purposes and that the government is acting in full accord with
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the UN Charter and the UN Declaration on Principles of International Law.
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And I was a lawyer for 20 years, I was an international tax lawyer.
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I understand trusts intimately and we are dealing with this as medical doctors for COVID
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ethics and governments, the behavior of governments and the use of trust is a wonderful, very
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interesting idea.
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So, Chris, welcome to the program, to the meeting.
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Stephen Frost, thank you for organizing this group.
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And Chris, we are in your hands.
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So we look forward to hearing you and then and then having a great discussion about the
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issues that you raise over to you.
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Thank you very much, Charles.
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One thing and thank you, Alex Craner, for recommending you to speak to us.
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Alex is a great friend of the program, has presented to us on a number of occasions.
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So thank you, Alex.
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Over to you, Chris.
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Thanks, Charles.
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OK, well, you've got most of my background there in that intro.
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So my original management development, organization development and cognitive engineering
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activity leads me to constantly focus on solutions.
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And that's really what I've been doing for the last 20 years.
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How do we solve the problems we're faced with, the tyranny?
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So really, what I want to talk about today is several of the solutions that are available
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to us all around the world to stop our governments and take back control.
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So in 2002, I was investigating fraud and corruption in the Foreign and Commonwealth
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Office in London and discovered that we had been deceived for more than 75 years over
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the illegality of war.
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Our government had been telling us that what they were doing overseas in relation to
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was legal.
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And many times they would say it has been authorized by the UN Security Council operating
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under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter.
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I started to look at this and I found that was a lie.
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Absolutely incorrect.
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The UN Security Council can never authorize the use of armed force.
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The UN Charter, which is the law, international law agreed now between 195 nations, says very
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clearly in its purposes that we agree never to threaten or to use force and to settle
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all disputes peacefully.
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Those are the two prime statements that we have to make.
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Those are the two prime statements in the United Nations Charter to which we are all
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signed up to.
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Of course, looking at this and Britain's history, I discovered that I now know that we have
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fought somewhere between 80 and 85 illegal wars since 1945, killing somewhere between
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six and nine million people.
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It's difficult to get the exact numbers, but one way or the other, we have murdered six
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to nine million men, women and children since we promised never to threaten or to use force.
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So it was when I discovered that that I was horrified and started to think, well, what
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are we going to do about this?
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Now, the first thing we did was, together with some colleagues, tried to take out an
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injunction at the High Court in the Royal Courts of Justice in London, an injunction
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to prevent Tony Blair and the cabinet and the monarch at that time to stop the Iraq
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War, which was upcoming.
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This was January 2003, and we eventually went to war in March 2003.
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Now, unfortunately, they paid no attention to that.
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We failed to get the injunction and they gave two reasons.
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One is that there was no way it could be classified as genocide.
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And the second was, both of which we had put into our argument, the second was that we
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would not be attacked in London by rogue Iraqi terrorists.
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So anyway, once we'd failed in that, the war with Iraq started and we were already at war
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in Afghanistan.
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And we were reckoning that we were killing up to 100,000 people, men, women and children
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in the first 18 months of the Iraq War in Iraq and probably half that number in Afghanistan.
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So the figures were just unbelievable.
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So we did a number of things.
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We had a look at what does the law say in this country?
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Now, one of the problems that had been raised by many people was that we can't prosecute
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or stop our leaders based on international law.
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If an international law is agreed, it only comes into effect in domestic legislation
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when it has been ratified by Parliament and the monarch.
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I looked at two of the key laws and the one that had been most recently introduced was
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the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, which set up the International Criminal
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Court in The Hague.
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And Britain had ratified that and it had been enacted as the International Criminal Court
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Act 2001.
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And also, because we have two different systems of law in Britain, it was the International
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Scottish law is based on Roman law, whereas English and Welsh law is common law, if you like.
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So both these acts of Parliament have been brought in.
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And what struck me was when I read them, I thought, well, why doesn't anybody apply them?
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The important thing about the International Criminal Court Act is that it introduced not
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only a law enforcement, an international law enforcement authority for the first time in
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history.
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It had taken 60 years to get it set up.
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But in Britain, the Queen at that time, the monarch, enacted its interlaw in the UK.
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And in doing so, she handed over jurisdiction over six crimes to the International Criminal
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Court in The Hague.
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She put herself and every British resident and citizen under the jurisdiction of the
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Now, the six crimes are important.
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They are war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and conduct ancillary to war crimes,
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conduct ancillary to crimes against humanity, and conduct ancillary to genocide.
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Those are the six crimes, universal crimes, that apply around the world and in particular
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in Britain.
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So I started to look at, well, what do we mean by these crimes?
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And the definition of the crimes is very clearly laid out in the legislation.
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But nobody in government or parliament or anywhere else seems to follow it.
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First of all, none of the MPs I spoke to at the time had heard about the International
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It came in in 2001, and I started to investigate it in 2002.
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They didn't know about it.
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And it appalled me because looking at the definitions in the legislation, it was quite
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clear that everything we were doing in Afghanistan and Iraq was not only a number of war crimes,
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but also crimes against humanity.
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And most importantly, it met the definition of genocide.
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So what was happening in Afghanistan and Iraq was that we were killing people because of
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who they were, not because of anything they had done to us.
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They committed no crimes.
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They had attacked no British citizens.
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We were just killing them because our government, together with George Bush's
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administration in America, had decided that they wanted to take over Iraq's resources
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and Afghanistan's resources, and in particular the oil, to move the oil from Central Asia
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through Afghanistan, for access by the Americans.
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So going back to the actual crimes, the crime of genocide, which we have now committed,
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seven military genocides since 2001.
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Every time we attack a country, we are attacking people with high explosive bombs and rockets
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and missiles and so on, knowing that when they land and explode, local people will be
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injured and killed.
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And we know that in the first shock and awe attacks on Baghdad and then the attacks on
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Fallujah and all the other military activities that went on led to the deaths of at least
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100,000 innocent Iraqis in the first 12 months.
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So that met the crime of genocide and the conditions that one has to prove in court
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in order to convict a person of genocide.
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It's quite interesting that, again, going into the detail of it, I asked up to 35, maybe 40 MPs,
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did they know about the International Criminal Court Act?
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Did they know about the International Criminal Court Act elements of crimes regulations?
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And none of them knew about that last issue, and it is the most important of all.
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What it does is it takes each crime and it defines it in detail, laying out what you have to prove
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in court in order to convict a person of genocide by killing or genocide by causing bodily and
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mental harm or genocide by creating conditions inimitable to life.
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These are three of the five main subheadings of genocide.
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Each of them is defined in detail in the legislation, but nobody knows it, nobody follows
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and certainly not our government lawyers.
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So Lord Goldsmith, who was the Attorney General at the time,
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kept saying that, yes, it would be legal.
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It had been authorised under Security Council Resolution 678, 687 and 1441.
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Again, when I looked at that, I found that was rubbish.
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The Security Council cannot authorise the use of armed force.
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Article 41 of the UN Charter, one of the most important articles the world has,
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says quite clearly, the Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of
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armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions.
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Now that couldn't be clearer, not involving the use of armed force.
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But of course, our government ignores that over and over again.
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And as I say, we fought maybe 83 illegal wars, something like that, since 1945,
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ignoring that agreement completely.
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So that was the issue of trying to get someone to pay attention.
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And really, for many years, we reported these war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide
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to every police force in Britain, going into police stations or writing to the chief
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constables and so on.
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It was over 300 attempts to do that over a period of six years.
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Now of those 300 attempts, five of them got as far as the War Crimes and Crimes Against
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Humanity Unit at New Scotland Yard.
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this evidence.
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15 hours, five sessions of three hours at a time with the police officers in that unit,
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going through all the details of the crimes committed by our leaders, by Tony Blair,
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Jack Straw, Gordon Brown, Lord Goldsmith, and the rest of the cabinet, basically,
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and also the chiefs of the defence staff.
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cynical about, you know, who is this mad guy reporting war crimes.
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This is what the law says.
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This is what has happened.
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That is quite obviously a criminal offence.
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So eventually, they were happy to pass on all the information that we've given them,
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they said, to the Crown Prosecution Service.
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Now, in Britain, the Crown Prosecution Service are responsible for prosecuting criminal
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offences of this nature.
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The Crown Prosecution Service went through it in some detail, and then the woman who
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was in charge, a senior member of the Crown Prosecution Service, was promoted to a better
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job in the north of England.
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And the project, whatever you like to call it, the crime report, was passed to the most
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junior person in the office.
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He had it for about six weeks and finally came back to us with a letter from the Crown
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Prosecution Service saying that the Crown Prosecution Service was responsible for the
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saying, well, we're not going to go ahead with the prosecution of Blair and Straw,
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Hoon, Goldsmith, all the rest of the ones that you have reported to us on the grounds
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that you have not provided evidence of intent to commit war crimes, intent to commit crimes
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against humanity, or intent to commit genocide.
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And therefore, we're not going to go ahead with it.
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Now, that was a really poor excuse because it's not for the public or the witnesses to
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the crimes to prove intent.
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That is the job of the Crown Prosecution Service.
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They need to go through the detail and they can't take someone into court and prosecute
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them unless they are absolutely clear for themselves of what's called the mens rea,
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the intent to commit genocide.
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Now, we have provided pages of evidence of intent.
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We've gone through it in detail and it's quite important to know that there's a document
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called Accounting for Genocide up on our website which people can have a look at in detail
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later on.
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I'll give you the details of the website later.
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But an example of intent to commit genocide took place, for instance, in Parliament in
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the debate on March 18, 2003, when Parliament debated whether or not to go to war with Iraq.
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It was a long debate and the first person to speak was obviously Tony Blair.
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He put the motion to the House and asked everybody to go with it.
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The last person to speak was the Foreign Secretary, who was Jack Straw at the time.
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It was interesting how he responded.
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He said, well, we've had a good debate tonight.
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We know there will be consequences of our decision tonight.
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Some of our troops will be killed or may be killed.
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So too will innocent Iraqi civilians.
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I urge you to vote with the government tonight.
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Now, if you look at that statement, it is appalling.
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What he was urging people to do was to kill innocent Iraqi civilians.
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Genocide is when you kill someone because of their nationality, their ethnicity, their race, or their religion.
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And this was killing people because of their nationality.
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So here he was urging Parliament to commit genocide.
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The horrifying thing for me was that having said that, the debate finished and the MPs trouped
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through the lobbies, either to vote for it or to vote against it.
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And the bit that really worried me was that 412 MPs voted in favour of genocide of the Iraqi people,
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of going to war, of killing men, women and children because of who they were.
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So it was appalling.
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But however, nobody else seemed to see that this was a problem.
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They carried on.
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As you know, nobody would listen to the anti-war brigade.
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And anything we said was almost banned straight away.
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We weren't able to get on to the mainstream media.
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And typically, we had a lot of problems.
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Now, simultaneously to this, trying to do this, I had this question,
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continuously to this, trying to do this, I had discovered that conduct ancillary to genocide
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includes any behaviour that is aiding and abetting the crime.
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And the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, Article 25, which is the key
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criminal responsibility article, says quite clearly anyone who aids and abets the crime
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is committing the crime.
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And this includes providing the means for the commission of the crime.
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And so when we looked at what does it mean by providing the means for the commission of the
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crime, it was quite obviously providing the troops and the weapons and the money,
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most importantly the money, to fight the war and the supplies and the training and everything else.
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So having discovered that the money was a key issue, I realised that paying tax,
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would be knowing that it would be used to commit, some of it would be used to commit genocide,
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was a crime of conduct ancillary to genocide.
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So my immediate response was, I've got to stop paying all taxes.
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This applies today, by the way, so it is still there.
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Every time we pay tax, we give our consent to the way the money will be used by the government.
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And that's the bit that horrified me.
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So in 2003, I stopped paying tax.
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So I stopped paying council tax and income tax and one or two other things.
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So I did that for nearly 10 years around South London, West London, all around there.
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And I didn't get into any trouble for it.
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They constantly took me to court and that sort of thing, but I managed to get out of it and get away.
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Anyway, in 19, sorry, 2014, I moved to Rye and Sussex and started the same thing there.
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And as a result of that, and one other thing that's important, I started because of my
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investigatory abilities, looking at crimes in large organisations in the boardrooms of large
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organisations and government departments, which I'd been doing for four years from 1998 to 2002.
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I have quite a lot of experience of exposing myself to the reality of crime.
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And in 2002, I have quite a lot of experience of exposing, investigating and exposing corruption.
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When I arrived in Rye, I discovered all sorts of corruption going on in the local council and in
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the town council and in the area, including with our MP, Amber Rudd, who later became Home Secretary.
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So I raised that. Now, as soon as I raised that, within 10 days, I was sent to prison,
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not for raising that, but for willful refusal to pay tax.
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So I tried again the following year and again the following year I was sent to prison and
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I tried again the third year and the third year they sent me to prison.
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So they're pretty rough down there, let's put it that way.
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It was after that that I thought I've got to find a different way around this. This is ridiculous.
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I'm trying to uphold the law as I see it and no court in the country seems to be able to understand
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what I'm trying to do or uphold and enforce the law. So that was when I came across the issue or
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thought about in detail how trusts could be used to pay our taxes. The important thing about this
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is it's a conditional trust, a discretionary revocable conditional trust. Now what I do is
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to put my taxes in trust for the council saying, yes, I'm very happy to pay it,
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but only if you prove to me that not a penny of it will be used for a criminal purpose.
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And in particular, for the criminal purposes of war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide.
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And later I discovered the Terrorism Act 2000 for terrorism and they've never been able to do that.
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So since 2017, I've put all my taxes in trust for the year and they have not been able to claim them
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because they can't prove that none of the money will be used for a criminal purpose.
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The nice thing about it is it's a revocable trust. So they have until the last day of the financial
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year. In our case, in this country, taxes are the last day of the tax year is April the 5th.
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So I write it into the trustee to say you can have the money providing you can and it'll be yours
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and my trustee will hand it over to you if you can prove that it's not being used for a criminal
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purpose. If you don't, however, on April the 6th, the trustee will remove your right to claim the
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money and pass it to the secondary beneficiary. And the secondary beneficiary is you. In fact,
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it was me. So in a sense, what it does is it enables them to have a year to claim the money
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if they can by stopping warfare, stopping the killing and upholding and enforcing the UN Charter
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and the UN Declaration on Principles of International Law. So far, they've not been able to do that.
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Last year and a half or two years now, we've been spreading the word and more and more people are
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joining in and signing up to these Taxation Trusts, conditional taxation trusts. And I'm
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pleased to say that it's working. We tell it's working because what happens for me, for instance,
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every year since 2017, they seem to write off my debt and then start again the following year.
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So I get all the demands and everything else and summonses and the bailiffs coming around and so on.
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However, at the end of the year, I get a new demand for the coming year. For instance, this year,
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having not paid council tax for six years, they sent me a bill saying, according to our records,
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you owe us £166. So I was quite amused by that. So basically, the £12,000 or thereabouts that I
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had not paid had been written off. One or two developments to this and the important thing we've
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now discovered is that we really need to get our companies and corporations to understand that
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every time they take PAYE, that's pay as you earn from an employee's salary and what's called a
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national insurance contribution, they take that every month and the company hands it to the revenue
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and customs. Now in doing so, the company directors are committing serious crimes of conduct ancillary
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to genocide. So what we're trying to do, we've got five or six small companies already on board
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with this, is to get the companies themselves to set up trusts for their employees. In the same way,
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a conditional revocable discretionary trust for all their employees, for all the payments of PAYE
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and national insurance that have been taken from their salaries during the year are placed in the
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trust and at the end of the year, if the government hasn't met the conditions, then the employees get
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the money back. In addition to that, they get a 12.5% employer's contribution back because that
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also has been withheld from the government in trust for them to take. So anyway, very briefly,
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that seems to be a solution that's working. There are one or two other things, perhaps we can talk
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about them later on, but very briefly, one of the main ways of ensuring that we bring back the power
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to us is to set up our own corporations as cooperatives and take back control locally over
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all our affairs. Now, the great benefit that the corporations have is that they write their own
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article association, their own internal laws, and we can be doing that in every
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constituency in Britain. We're looking at 650 constituencies and we want 650 cooperatives
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where we own the local cooperative, we manage and take over the activities from the local councils
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and we start to run our own affairs. So that's a whole new area that perhaps on another time we can
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go into more detail on at a later date. And then there are a number of things that we've got to do
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setting up our local parliaments. One thing that many people don't know is how many people here
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know how many parliaments there are in Switzerland? Does anybody know? Well, there are all the cantons,
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if you count those as parliaments. Absolutely. There's 26. 26 cantons and there's one corporate
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one, so 27 there, but also the communes have their own parliaments. Not all of them have, there's
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2,100 communes and several of them joined together. So there are in total over 400 parliaments in
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Switzerland with six and a half million people and their laws and other ways of operating are
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very important for democracy worldwide. So their parliaments, they get the laws together and they
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work on it a lot of time, but it doesn't become law until it has been agreed by all the people
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in the referendum. So in the last four years, three years, I think they've only had 12 new laws.
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Whereas in this country, we've had hundreds. Anyway, I won't go into too much more detail.
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I think that's briefly telling you about the sort of things that we're doing. There are a lot of
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other simple solutions that we can go into on some other time. So over to you, Charles.
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Thank you. Thank you, Chris. And before we get to Stephen, I want to make a couple of points.
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Please do. I was a tax lawyer for 20 years. I wanted to understand what a trust is, because
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Chris, we've got people from all around the world here and we use the word trust quite easily and
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discretionary trusts and unit trusts and fixed trusts and revocable trusts. The important thing
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in using that term all around the world is it's a simple proposition to create a situation where
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I look after a piece of property in trust for you. There are three things that need to happen. You
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need to create a trust. There needs to be property. There needs to be a trustee and there needs to be
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a beneficiary. And so the best example of that, that most of you would be aware of is a will.
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Under a will, someone dies, the executives become the trustees. They're holding your assets on
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behalf of the beneficiaries. That's all. So just picture this pen, and I used to describe this to
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the doctors, Stephen, back in the mid 1970s when I was explaining trust to them because their income
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exploded when Medibank was introduced into Australia, when the practice of medicine became
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a menage à trois, Chris, where it seems to be a doctor-patient relationship and the government
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put his nose in. So this is a pen. I can give this to Chris. Chris, I want you to hold this. Stephen,
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I want you to hold this pen as the trustee of this, trustee to hold this pen for my children.
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And I'll give a piece of document that makes, appoints you, Chris, Stephen, as the trustee to
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hold this pen in trust for my children and their grandchildren. That's all a trust is.
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And when you just grasp that concept, you could use a nominee. Many of you've been in financial
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services, a nominee is somebody who's holding some assets for somebody else. And then what Chris is
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talking about with discretionary, revocable conditional trusts is that the document that
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sets up this trust has all those provisions in it. So I've worked on 200 page trust documents and
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they're very good for death duties. And the Gulbenkians, Stephen, I don't know if you
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remember that from the UK, the Gulbenkian family through testamentary trusts have controlled
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resources passing down through generations. That's how the wealthy control their money
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through trusts. So that's what I want. And the one thing I wanted to say, and the second,
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I think as a proposition, the thought that I had, Chris, when you were going through this,
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we need to set up in each country for us in this group, and I put this on the recording,
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we now need to set up a process for tracking new legislation, Chris, because you really
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raised this point, all this material comes into parliament in Australia, and the citizens are not
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tracking it because we used to have trustworthy politicians, perhaps. And what we now have to do
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is to start tracking, set up systems to track every piece of new legislation that comes in,
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because your point is well made that most of the politicians in the UK aren't aware of the
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legislation that's passing, including the International Criminal Court Act. So I've taken
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note of that, of gosh, that's a very interesting thing of make, and there's a way to track it,
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because all parliaments publish the new legislation that's coming. So great suggestion,
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and thank you for the great work you've done, and I honour the courage that you've had in going to
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prison. Not many people here have gone to prison as best I can tell, including Stephen. So Stephen
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Frost, next 15 minutes over to you. Have you been to prison, Stephen? No, I haven't. No, I haven't.
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They probably would have liked to have put me there, though. Well, yeah, that's a different
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business. When I was exposing criminal activity involving Class A controlled drugs in the British
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military, they were doing it by other means, Charles. I think Chris knows what I mean.
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So Chris, I remember your name. Thank you, Charles. I remember your name. I was struggling
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to remember what I remembered you for, and then I found an email by chance yesterday from you,
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or me to you, I can't remember. So anyway, it brought it back to me that I used to read
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what you were writing about the legality or illegality of the Iraq War, and I was something
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of an expert in inverted commas on that too. So I was very interested in what you were
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writing about. So, but my forte was apparently was David Kelly, Dr David Kelly. Oh, yes. And so I was
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one of the three doctors who broke the narrative, which was that they were trying to put it about
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via the Hutton Report and the Hutton Inquiry, which purported to be a public inquiry, but we
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found out it wasn't, and the evidence wasn't being heard under oath. They were trying to put it about
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that he had committed suicide, but we didn't succeed in getting an inquest, which was our lever.
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But for legal reasons, essentially, we had to go to the Supreme Court twice, and there's just no
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way we could do that. But we did change public opinion without an inquest. So in a way, the
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inquest wasn't needed, ironically, in the end. And so I don't know whether you know me or know my name.
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Well, I remember now, yes, David Halpin was the key person I was working with. I think there was a
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David Halpin and somebody what's in in Scotland? No, no, no, he wasn't one of the original. He was
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a doctor. He was in Scotland. He came on later. Oh, yeah, right. Yes, I remember. But the original
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three were one in South Africa, who he was, so Senate. All right. He was an anesthetist in South
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Africa, interestingly, and David Halpin in North Devon and me in Wales, North Wales. And so and we
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were put together by someone who had noticed on the Internet. We didn't know this person. Her name
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was Rowena Thursby. She found us and contacted us via an intermediary and asked us whether we
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would consider working together because we were saying not exactly the same thing, but pretty,
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you know, suggesting that it wasn't suicide. And anyway, I won't go into that. But that's how I knew
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you. So and so I don't know if you know this, but today I read in the emails, it's amazing what you
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find if you try to keep your memory and think, keep thinking when you're reading your emails.
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So Suella Braverman was the attorney general. I had forgotten this if I ever knew it, actually.
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Suella Braverman was the attorney general in 2020. Yeah. And one of the things that was raised in
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the email, which I saw was that actually she'd written a legal advice as the attorney general,
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as the principal law officer for the United Kingdom government for the lockdowns. Prior to the
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lockdowns. But nobody's ever seen that legal advice. And the story today was that Suella Braverman was
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talking about was rowing back essentially and saying that suggesting from a quote which I saw
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that, you know, that we should never have gone into lockdowns because it was the worst option
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for this country. Yeah, so she's, but the point was made that she's written the legal advice,
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which no one's seen. I haven't seen it. I don't know anybody who has. And so if she's rowing
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back now and she was putting that opinion about back then, and she was ignored by the forces in
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the United Kingdom, even though she was the attorney general, that's important because I
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remember the attorney general's advice was extremely important in, according to Professor
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Philip Sands, the international law expert at University College London, in his wonderful book
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Lawless World. I don't know if you know that. Have you read it? I do indeed. Yes, I've talked to him about it.
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Absolutely. I've talked to him about absolutely wonderful chapter in that book where he talks
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about the legal advice. So the point is that the legal advice was absolutely crucial in deciding
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the illegality or otherwise of the Iraq war. And the same point, because I know about that, I knew
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about today, I knew that the legal advice about the lockdowns in this country is extremely important
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for exactly the same reason. And I hadn't thought of it previously. So we need to get that legal
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advice of Suella Bravermans somehow or other. I just mentioned it because I think I thought you
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might be interested. Absolutely. I'm definitely interested. It's fundamental. What I've discovered
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was that some of the legal advice that Lord Goldsmith gave for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars
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was finally brought out during the Chilcot report. And Chilcot managed to get some of that
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information out. But they are still keeping the legal advice to themselves. The real problem is
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that the attorney general, he or she sees themselves as the advisor to the government
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rather than the explainer of the law to the people. And those are two totally different roles.
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And nobody is explaining the law, the laws of war and peace, for instance, nobody has in the last
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75 years explained those laws to the people or the armed forces or the civil service or anybody
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else. And this is a major problem we have, a systemic problem in Britain. But Chris,
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whether there are laws for it or not, I'm sure there must be something somewhere that the government
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is the servant of the people, correct? That's what people think anyway. Is that codified in law,
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to your knowledge? Well, yes, it certainly is in terms of 1689 or thereabouts.
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So the government can't say that they're following the legal advice of the attorney general
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if that conflicts with the interests of the people. So in the lockdowns, for example, and indeed in the
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Iraq war, you know, the population of this country don't want their taxes to be used for illegal wars.
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So, yeah, I can't see that the government saying, oh, we followed the legal advice from our attorney
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general, lessens the problem for them. Can you? It does in the sense that we have a very corrupt
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legal system, justice system in this country. I always used to believe in it until perhaps
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some 15 years ago. And every year I go to a court, I get more and more
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disgusted by the constant manipulation of the law to benefit the government and local.
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Absolutely. The problem is the judges. I never hear any lawyers criticising judges or criticising
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the possibility that there may be lots of corrupt judges. So they seem to want to defend the legal
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system or they probably know that it's a ticket to lose your licence as a lawyer if you start
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criticising the courts and the judges. But the fact is the judges are still human beings, whether
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they're judges or not. And so they've got all the human frailties as far as I'm concerned. And the
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capacity for them being or the potential for them being bribed or coerced is massive, given the
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stakes that exist, especially when the government is involved in the case. But the government, of
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course, is the servant of the people. But that seems to get lost. It does so often. I mean,
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you're so right. I wish they would understand that more people would understand it. However,
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all the judges, for instance, in the last few years have after Lord Denning, who died in the
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80s, something like that, not a single judge has repeated the fact that the people are sovereign.
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They keep saying Parliament is sovereign or the monarch is sovereign or whatever it is.
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And they forget about the people being sovereign. And this is what we have to remind them of again.
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So the declaration indeed, the four pager rather than 80 pager
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on the website lays out quite clearly that we are declaring our sovereignty
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as individual men and women and taking back our power. And the nice thing about the one thing I
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wanted to add for Charles was to say that the main issue about taxation trusts is that the tax
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no longer belongs to you when you've put it in trust. So you have paid your tax when you put it
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in trust for the beneficiary being the government. And the important bit is that you then,
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if you put on a time limit to it and say you must achieve this by the end of the year,
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the secondary beneficiary can be you. And you're absolutely right. There's the settler, the trustee
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and the beneficiary are all part of it. And you cannot be a beneficiary of your own trust. That's
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illegal and criminal. But you can be a secondary beneficiary if the primary beneficiary doesn't
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meet the needs of the trust. So an example for that, just a quick one, when you're making a will
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and you want to leave your money to your grandson or something and you say, right,
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I leave a hundred thousand pounds to Johnny, providing he doesn't marry Sally and he
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joins the family firm by the age of 25. Now, if he meets those conditions and he doesn't marry Sally
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and he joins the family firm, then he gets a hundred thousand pounds. If he doesn't meet the
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conditions, the trustees are bound in law to hand the money over to the secondary or tertiary
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beneficiaries in the will. So that is one of the fundamentals of what we're trying to do here,
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is to make sure that this is entirely lawful and we are following the system that the top 50,000
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or a hundred thousand people in Britain follow all the time to hide their money from the taxman in
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the Cayman Islands or Gersey, Germsey, the Isle of Man, all the other tax havens around the world.
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And we are using this entirely lawfully in England and Wales and in Scotland.
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To using the same system for the benefit of taxpayers and the world as a whole to try and stop war.
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Chris, when they put you in prison for not paying tax, income tax was it, or council tax?
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Council tax, willful refusal was the term they used. But couldn't you appeal that on the grounds
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that actually, were they saying that the willful refusal extended back many, many years as it did?
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No, it was just for that year, even though they knew that it had gone back. I mean, in Rye,
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in that area, it was the first year that I'd appeared in front of them.
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Yeah, I see. But isn't it a defense that you'd lived in London prior to Rye and that you had
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not been pursued for exactly the same alleged criminal offense?
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Yes, I mean, basically, they pay no attention to my argument at all. So when I got in court,
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for instance, in Rye, in Hastings, which is the court for Rye, the judge before she sent me to
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prison said, I had quoted the International Criminal Court Act and I was trying to uphold
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and enforce the law. The judge said to me... Even in a civil case, they have to listen to you,
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and particularly in a criminal case where they're going to, the judge is intending to send you to
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prison on behalf of the government, you would think that they are absolutely required to listen to
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you. So why didn't they listen to you? Well, basically, we have one of the most corrupt,
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I have to say, Southeast, East Sussex and this area is one of the most corrupt in the country
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and is dominated by the Masonic groups, if you like, in each of the police, the crime prosecution
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service, the council, the judges and others. Basically, I even had quoted to me when I quoted
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the International Criminal Court Act 2001, the judge said to me that doesn't apply in this court.
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I couldn't believe it. But by the way, it's not a criminal offense. It's a civil offense. It's the
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only civil offense hangover from the days of debtors prison. Well, how can you send someone
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to prison for a civil offense? As I say, it's the last thing. I think it's finished now, but certainly
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I was three years in a row because I had not handed the money to the council. But there was a
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precedent in London. They hadn't sent you to prison. So how could East Sussex send you to prison?
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Why didn't your lawyers argue that? Well, first of all, I couldn't afford any lawyers. And secondly,
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the duty lawyers are all in the pocket of the courts and they refused to argue my case.
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Yeah, they refused to argue certain things. So in my case, they refused to say certain things that
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I was begging them to say. And I was very suspicious. Well, one of the things one of my
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lawyers was the one of the most famous lawyers in the country. I don't want to name him. And the
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judge who had purple hair, by the way, or was it pink? Well, purple pink. So I said to him,
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do you think it's appropriate that a judge in such a high profile case with you representing me?
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I said that she comes here with pink hair and dressed as she did, you know, you wouldn't get
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tubs for her. Anyway, I'm not a snob, but you know, I think that I think I think the judge maybe
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should pay attention to the judges should pay attention to the way they dress, because actually,
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if they don't, they might get judged by the people they're judging. So 15 minutes, they stay. I just
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think that but anyway, he she was asking so she knew exactly who my lawyer was the famous lawyer.
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But she insisted on getting him to to spell out his name to the court.
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It was just ridiculous. Honestly, the whole thing was a farce. And I did notice that the lawyers,
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you know, not just those lawyers, various lawyers wouldn't argue certain points, which I thought
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were important. And I and but I couldn't get never got could get an answer as to why not. And
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I think it was to do with being seen to be critical of the courts. So eventually that that came out,
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they actually said it looks, you know, I couldn't say that I wanted to withdraw my appeal on access
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to justice grounds. But I insisted they did that. And they said, I said, Why are you so worried
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about that? And because they will come after you. They'll think you criticizing the courts. I said,
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Well, I am criticizing the court. And that's why I'm withdrawing my appeal. That's what the access
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to justice grounds is. And they said, Oh, well, I said, Why can't I do that? I did do it in the end.
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But but they said, Oh, the law, the court will come the judge will come after you for costs,
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will reward costs against you. Outrageous. So so so we did argue that after a big argument. And then
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but they never came after me because
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Well, that's very good. You've been more successful than me. I was charged in a case in London,
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when it which went up to the Court of Appeal when all the protesters were pushed out of
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eventually there was five different individuals in the case. Three of us were litigants in person,
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and two of them were had ranks of barristers and solicitors supporting them. Yeah. And Lord
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Neuberger, who was the head of the court at the time, the Court of Appeal, awarded costs of
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£133,800. Against you and the three litigants in person and not against any of the others.
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So there we were three of us, one university professor, myself and one homeless man,
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supposedly pay £133,000 costs. And was it ever paid? Luckily, I remembered
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at the just at the last minute, he awarded the cost to the litigants in person. And in the original
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case, one of the litigants in person was a statement that applied to anybody who visited
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who either go through Parliament Square or visit Parliament Square or pass by.
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So I said to Lord Neuberger, well, I'm assuming that £133,800 has to be split between 60 million
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and three people. Because he'd made the judgment or the order. That's what happened. Love it. All
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right, we're gonna move on. But you know, Chris, Stephen will come back and there's, there's,
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there's so many elements to unpack. But one of our attendees, Chris, I won't name him at the moment
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has asked whether you're willing to adopt him. He wants you to be his dad, and he will work for
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you for nothing. So there you are. So I will, I will. I love the idea of working for me for nothing.
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I think the adoption process in this country is a bit dodgy. Well, this this guy would be a useful
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ally for you to work for. I'm looking for people we've set up a property as an organisation,
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and we're looking for people who'd like to join us and work on the principle of getting a bit more
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integrity in public life. That's very good. Very good. And Stephen Frost, well done on your work
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that you've done. You've clearly stood up for the truth. And the law, the obligation of the duty of
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lawyers, primarily first, first preference, first requirement of lawyers is their duty to the court.
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Secondly, to their clients. So, Stephen, you've shone a light on that fraud where
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that was my training ground. Yeah. Had I not gone through that experience, I wouldn't have been
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equipped for 2020. Yeah. And David Kelly was part of it anyway. So that's we now have that's that's
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the gift, isn't it? And look at the gift of COVID is these meetings. Okay, we go to Peter Underground
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now, Chris, or Peter, you maybe Peter, Peter Underwater. The water indeed here in South Africa.
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Yeah. Chris, stunning, absolutely stunning presentation. Thank you so much. I will take you
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back to 1963 when I joined the war office, HMG. And I can tell you, after six months, I discovered
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the infeccies of what was going on. And I left very quickly. I went off to do other things.
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I thank you so much. Subsequently, I worked for the citizens advice bureau in UK for 10 years or more.
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And we still are our group still stick together. Old guys. We're going back a long way.
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But we work to discover the truth. And you've done that, my friend. And I applaud you in all the work
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you've done. I'd like to join you, your group. Thank you so much. Delighted. Thank you very much.
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Just as a matter of fact, I joined Shell in 1964 as a management trainee. And I learned
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very similar things to you in the Ministry of Defence. We're up to the core.
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Absolutely. It's horrendous, my friend. It's horrendous. We are working together as a group.
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Glad to join you. Thank you. So can I just add one thing there very quickly?
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When I was looking at corruption and fraud and corruption between 1998 and 2002,
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I looked at eight FT100 companies, the boardroom corruption on those eight companies, and seven
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government departments. And everywhere I looked, I found corrupt practice in spades.
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It is horrendous. And we've always been brought up to believe that the British government is
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above all that. And we don't do it. But it's quite the opposite. Yeah, they're the worst.
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Thank you so much, Chris. Delighted.
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Who's next? Charles, you're muted. Sorry. Chris, you've got volunteers, plenty coming forward.
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And that's wonderful. Now Janet is next because she keeps going behind Mark and then Mark Steele.
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Janet. Yeah, hi. Thank you. Do you consider that the UK government is an accessory to genocide in
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Gaza? If so, have you taken any steps to remedy that? And if not, are there any steps we can take
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which could potentially be taken? Yeah, can I just say one thing? That
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the government itself is not an accessory. The whole point about the International Criminal
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Court Act is that it applies to individuals. So Rishi Sunak or Boris Johnson or any one of the
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members of the British government, they are committing crimes of conduct ancillary to
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genocide, but a government doesn't. Governments are held to account in the International Court
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of Justice. Individuals are held to account in the International Criminal Court. So we can do
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something about it. And you're absolutely right. The crime is conduct ancillary to genocide.
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And in fact, I'm doing something right now about it. I don't want to talk too much about it until
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we get the information out. But we have all the evidence we need to prove that politicians,
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civil servants, the monarch and others have committed serious crimes of conduct ancillary
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to genocide. One thing that people don't realize is that the Queen, when she was monarch,
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every time she sent our troops overseas and they started murdering men, women and children,
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wherever it was, she committed a crime of conduct ancillary to genocide. That was the times after
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2001 when that crime came into effect in the UK. Now, normally with the monarch, they are excluded
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from these crimes unless there is a specific statement in the law which says that they are
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included. And luckily, Section 78 of the International Criminal Court Act makes it quite clear this act
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applies to the Crown and all subjects of the Crown and all property of the Crown. So do have
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a look at Section 78 and you'll realize that every single member of our government, every
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corporate taxpayer and banker and others who are handing money over to the government
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in large quantities for the corporate people is committing a criminal offense of conduct ancillary
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to genocide. Thank you. Well said. Well said, Chris, and thank you, Janet.
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Mark Steele, doing great work, Chris, and I hope you two collaborate intensely. Mark?
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Fantastic to hear your information, Chris, and you are obviously early in the fight against these
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murderers. My sorted background is the electronic weaponry deployment 5G in particular, and what I've
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recently discovered is that the low emission zone networks, these 15 minute zones, are littered with
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laser weapon systems. So we've got these, what are demonstrably not ANP or cameras. They have
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got laser diodes. There's several of them. There's 24 actually in a weapon and they are category 4.
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So I've done quite a bit of work with the Blade Runner guys who are cutting them down faster than
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Mayor Carnage can put them up, but there's a significant environmental risk to this technology.
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TFL have told me that there's no radar there. There is. I have the technicalities of it as well
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as the hardware. So they've said there's no radar, there's no lidar, it's just this ANP or camera.
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That's completely false. This is fusion technology, extremely dangerous and would
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absolutely cause mass murder. So there's a potential, obviously with the work that you're
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carrying out in a minute, with the information that I have and the technicalities and the problem
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that the government have, it's irrefutable. I can show that these are weapons systems,
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energy weapons that the current government, Mayor Carnage, we have them in Birmingham,
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we've got them in Manchester, we've got them in Leeds and these are a latent
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15 minute city kill box. That's what they're planning. It isn't connected with the contamination
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that was in the COVID-19 injection, which we now have enough evidence to show that that was
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actually a biochemical weapons injection, but it's a technological play that is absolutely
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interconnected with the 5G network, 5G wireless body area network. So it was a track trace
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termination technology that was developed by the DOD for tracking wet well on the battlefield for
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an extermination. So most people at the minute, so we've got this very, very serious potential
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attack on the people, unfortunately, who were victims of taking that technological injection.
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It's got a track trace termination technology. It's the graphite ferritic nanometre material antennas
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that we tracked in this battle space and the future battle space is a 15 minute city. So
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any sort of information that you need in relation to that to show that the British
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government are currently planning a mass murderous genocide. They've already committed genocide.
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The nanoparticular contaminants that were in the vaccines co-sterilization
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wants to get to the reproductive parts. The evidence is quite damning in relation to that.
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So I think, you know, we can really assist with, you know, the work that you've done previously
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to assist and to show that the government are absolutely out of lunch. And unfortunately,
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your judges, your barristers, they're all target acquired. Most of them have taken the injection.
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Most of them can be eliminated whenever or however the control as the AI weapon system,
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it's basically Microsoft's, Microsoft's Azure, which is the Lockheed military 5G military
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operating platform. It's an AI operating system and it operates all of this type of
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technology that's installed in street lights, as well as these laser guns and the environmental
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detriment is significant. Radar in particular, as well as the LIDAR system and I've currently
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had a number of communications with TFL. I've got an ICU case against them because they've
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deceived me. It's one of two things. Either they do not know what they have deployed in relation to
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this ULAS directional weapon system or they've just lied or don't know what it is. So either
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way they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Mark, I really appreciate the work you've been
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doing there. I think it's excellent. It really is. We need to bring this understanding to the rest
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of the world and certainly to the England and Wales very rapidly. And I would recommend having
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a look at the legislation on genocide because you're absolutely right. If you are intentionally
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killing people and knowingly killing people, you don't have to say I am deliberately doing it.
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If you are knowingly killing people because of their nationality, because they happen to be
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living near a mast or anything else, then you can start charging them with conduct ancillary to
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genocide. The big companies that are putting up these masts. So I would recommend having a
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look at the detail of the legislation on genocide. It doesn't just apply in war. It applies
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particularly also to the medical situation that we've been through in the last four years. I think
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we have committed at least five genocides in relation to that in the UK. And I'm sure it
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applies in just about every other country that's listening to this programme. Brilliant. Well,
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fantastic, Chris. I mean, unfortunately, you spent a little bit of time in prison
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due to your resistance to this crime. But this has been basically, these weapons are being deployed
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on the mainland of the United Kingdom, which is treason. So it's treason as well as the
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genocidal agenda because these are demonstrably weapon systems that are deployed on top of us.
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Yes, no, let's go for both of them. Brilliant. So which of those crimes, Charles, in your opinion,
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and Chris and Mark, so you bring up treason. I agree treason seems to me to be the biggest crime
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of war. But maybe it's outpunched by genocide or crimes against humanity. What do you think, Chris?
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And Charles? I'm of that belief, yes. I believe that the legislation, the important bit is that
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the legislation on genocide has been updated and updated. And in 2001, with the introduction of the
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elements of crimes regulations, it is now so tight, it is almost difficult to get around it. So I
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believe go for the crime of conduct ancillary to genocide as the best route for the moment.
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Treason tends to be rather generalized and comes from, you know, way back 300, 400 years as well.
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But Chris, do you think that what's happened in the last four years was treason? Because I do.
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But anyway, you don't have to. I've really been focusing on seeing it as genocide.
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Rather than treason, I think there's more mileage in charging people with conduct ancillary to
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genocide. Now that we have the International Criminal Court and the ICJ has said what's
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happening in Gaza is likely to be genocide, we have a greater understanding of that crime
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around the world. And therefore, let's go with that. Sure. And this one, genocide, are you able
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to explain to us the difference between, I have known this, but it slipped from my mind, genocide
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and crimes against humanity. So I don't know whether you know, but Philippe Sands, we mentioned
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earlier about lawless world and torture team, he wrote a third brilliant book. And that name of
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that book was East Street, West Street. And it was set in a town, Lviv, I think it is called,
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which has been in Germany, sorry, was it Poland or Ukraine at various times? Or was it Germany? I
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can't quite remember now. So anyway, on the border and in that town, as it happens, the father of the
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crime of genocide, the one who became the world expert on genocide was born. And also, weirdly,
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the father of what he the kind of one who knew knew most about crimes against humanity. He was
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also born in that city. Did you know that? No. All this is recounted in Professor Philippe Sands is
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brilliant book, third book that I know of anyway, East Street, West Street. And torture team is a
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pretty amazing book too. And you know lawless world, you know how good that is. Indeed. Yeah,
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so I thoroughly recommend East Street, West Street to you. But problem is, I don't know.
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Can I just make one quick comment? It is important to understand the definitions of
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crimes against humanity and the definitions of genocide. And that's why I do recommend anybody
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who wants to get into this area to have a look at those definitions in the International Criminal
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Court Act, Elements of Crimes Regulations 2001. Chris, one thing I think to ask about private
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prosecutions, because I believe we have a number of people who were maybe able to run a private
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prosecution like Carnage, Le Maire Cohn. We've also got Matt Hancock. Matt Hancock admitted
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in a WhatsApp post that there was an antenna. There is. It's a graphite ferritic nanometallite
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antenna in the vaccine. So we have the spectrum analysis. We know exactly what was in it. We know
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the DOD patents for it. He's admitted in a WhatsApp post that this did and was an antenna injection.
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So he's admitted to the crime. And I think a private prosecution, but also the 15 minute
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city narrative is all about radiation. And one of the things where we heard Carn not long ago
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talking about this heat temperature increase in cities. This is the ubiquitous increase in
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radiation emissions from 5G, where they put thousands, hundreds of thousands. I mean,
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Birmingham City Council put 107,000 100 milliwatt transmitters. One milliwatt will cause a
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temperature increase. These were 100 milliwatts each. They've got a 10 mile footprint. Now focus
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to play with the aperture, which allows for quality, basically a weapon system, 107,000
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across every single street light in Birmingham, switched on in 2019. So temperature increase
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and cause a climate emergency. And these radiation levels are catastrophic, not only to, you know,
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individuals who suffer EHS, but also the environment, small insects, the light emitting
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diodes or biologically toxic to all life for 50 nanometers frequency in most of these LEDs.
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The Kelvin rate is when from the orange lights from 2000 to about six and seven thousand Kelvin
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and these street lights don't even have a diffuser. So they're not orange. They're very dangerous.
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They're basically weapon, the weapon systems. They've been designed to cause bodily harm.
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The definition of a weapon. So we have to do something about it. And I think a private criminal
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prosecution is a very good idea, Mark. Excellent. I'll go with that. If you need my help on it,
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contact me and I'll do what I can to add something to the case. Brilliant. Fantastic. Thank you very
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much, Chris and great for your work. It's absolutely brilliant. Charles, the policy and touch. He has
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all of my details. So, so Mark, you put into the chat and I'll send you the documents in the chat,
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Chris, but you put into the chat that the judge in your case newspaper article, Mark, and one of the
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issues I've said often to this group is when judges start losing their loved ones, they will, they will
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change their tune. And the article that the article that you have posted, Mark, talks about
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a judge being concerned about these five G towers. How long ago was that article, Mark?
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In 2018, the government tried to take me to court to gag me. They said I was a conspiracy theorist
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and I was frightening people by telling them that the government planned to kill them.
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That case went to court. It was a civil court procedure where the government had decided
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they had to gag me because I was telling people that government were planning to kill them.
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We got to court, the light significantly deceived the judge. It became pretty obvious that the
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expert witnesses that they had on their side didn't understand what five G was. They didn't
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have it, you know, they were basic electronics guys. So they didn't understand what five G was.
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I had no understanding of the antenna design and the weaponization of electromagnetic radiation in
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it. So the judge, as we got through the case, and they did basically make a fool of themselves
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quite a number of times, he said, I'm going to read a skeleton argument. My skeleton argument showed
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that five G's weapon system, it's yet to kill. After that, after the resets and he came back
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after lunch, he basically said the five G system, see the public have a right to know the five G
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risk must be debated. Money also said was I was an expert in this particular field where the
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government been saying I was a conspiracy theorist and I'd made it up. And I was telling people that
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they were trying to kill them. Well, they are trying to kill you. It's pretty obvious now
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they're trying to kill people. I mean, imagine in 2018, it was a bit off the wall at the time.
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People trying to gather their thoughts in relation to these electronic weapon systems that have been
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installed in street furniture. But I knew as early as 2016 that something was very, very
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untoward in relation to the light emitting diodes, the fact of the increase in the optical radiation
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footprint, as well as the fact that they were built to cause point light source. You never want
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artificial light and a point light source emission. And what we had were had point light source,
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what had the head, the lights were cranked to such a degree where they would create the point
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light source, but they had no diffuser. You have 2200 Kelvin high pressure sodium, which is orange
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for a reason. The optical radiation emissions is 2200 Kelvin. It has that orange glow. It has a
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diffuser to stop point light source. And what you definitely don't want is pulse with modulated
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optical radiation emissions because the value of the photon in that range is extremely high.
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So we had a pulse modulated bare elements, bare optical radiation elements, 450 nanometers
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at about 6 and 7000 Kelvin. These were weapons. They've deployed weapons on my streets as LED
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streetlights. And I call that soft kill. It's obviously not going to kill you immediately.
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Unlike the laser weapons that they deployed on the streets of London, these low emission
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zone guns, these laser guns, they are weapons and can kill you in a heartbeat. They've got massive
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capacitance inside the laser diodes. I got a bit of intel the other day where they are, you know,
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anything from 700 milliwatts to 1200 milliwatts, anything over 500 milliwatts, a class four laser.
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That's the most dangerous laser that can be produced. So you had well over that inside,
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but also you have 24 elements. There's 24 elements in the front of that laser gun.
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So you've got 24 elements times anything from 700 milliwatts to 1200 milliwatts.
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One milliwatt. That's the 8-nerve guideline, the 8-nerve guideline, which the government uses as
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standard for their output for radiation is one milliwatt. And we're talking about 24, 700 or 1200
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times 24. So don't go so much in the technology. That's you and Chris got to work out because Mark,
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you're pointing out to us as a question that Stephen asked, what's the difference between
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genocide and crime against humanity? Well, it seems to me that these five G-towers are not so
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much genocide as a crime against humanity. And your knowledge on this and how to use that for
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each of the municipalities that we live in right around the world, you know, everyone, we need to
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understand Mark as a resource to understand the questions to ask of our local councils. And Chris,
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your knowledge of the law here working with Mark, I think is going to be very, very, a very powerful
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combination as well as the guy in the US who's going to be working on this. Okay. Plus Anders.
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1:31:02
All right, Mark. Great. Great. Sorry. The other issue is in the judges, children and grandchildren
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dying. That's that's when the judges, Chris, you know, are going to come on and say, wow, I'm now
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I'm suffering. Now I'm going to take it seriously. So so, you know, it's creating a thought in my mind.
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Mark Crispin Miller does a wonderful job of each week publishing his sub stack with people who have
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died suddenly. You know, people who should not have died. And that litany of examples
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is a way to bring to a judge's attention. Look what's happening and there's no explanation. So,
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Mark, great work. You two, I'll put you in touch with each other. Thanks. Thanks, Chris.
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Thank you. Anders. Anders is also on the 5G, 5G battleground. Anders.
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Yes. Hello. Hello, Chris. I'm a Norwegian guy. We were a team of four Norwegians who filed
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four cases to the ICC in Haig in May 2021 based on evidence of how the so-called vaccines were
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killing. And we based the filing on an Israeli filing. I had a contact with a lawyer in Tel Aviv
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and unfortunately the Israeli case against, let's say Netanyahu at the time, was dismissed in Haig
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end of April 2021 due to lack of standing because the Knesset had not ratified the
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new ICC legal matter. It was, let's say, approved halfway but not full way. So,
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it was not valid. That was the answer from ICC. We filed cases for Norway, for Denmark, for Sweden,
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for Poland. We had a lot of evidence. After four, five, six months, the last case was dismissed that
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they are not going to look into it until it was dismissed in the home jurisdiction of, let's say,
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in this case Norway, Denmark, Sweden, etc. The cases in Norway was filed in June 2021 in 17
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district courts and they were all dismissed by administration in an Oslo
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judge district court by basically saying they don't want to look into it.
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What we thought at the time was that, okay, there were many other court cases in ICC filed from
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two different legal teams in England, from Netherlands, from France, from Czech Republic
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and other countries. And everyone, it was Mike Yeeden was part of one,
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no case was put in. It was a British-Canadian judge in ICC. ICC is controlled by United Nations.
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Not a single case has been brought in against Western countries. So what we saw, I think it was
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2023 or 2022, the ICC by the pressure of politicians, Boris Johnson, etc. through
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this court in Netherlands, in Hague, they put a court case which got standing against Russia
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and they kind of made a criminal referral to Putin, but Russia has not subscribed to the court.
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But ICC even so followed their, let's say, political directive from London.
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So I would very much like to believe that ICC is a venue which can do something.
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But let's say we have three, four years of experience and it has proved that it is political.
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Paul Foss Yes, you're quite right. I mean,
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thank goodness there are people like you doing these things. It's very important. The more
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people start reporting the crimes and trying to get a case started, the more likely we are to win
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in the long run. Could I just add one thing that I think is important in this country? We've done
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several approaches to the ICC to try to get them to start proceedings against our leaders,
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starting off with Blair and others. What we were told, and what I've now discovered is important,
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is that the actual Rome statute, I forget which article it is, it's somewhere between 13 and 19,
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says that we have to take the case in our own country before going to the ICC. And only if our
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courts are unwilling or unable to take the proceedings forward can we go to the ICC.
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So we have to first of all really start the case in our domestic courts and only when they
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have been turned down again and again can we go to the ICC direct.
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Yeah, the problem is that we did it in a little bit in a different way, but we filed in June 2021
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in Norway, but the district court dismissed the case.
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Yeah, I know. I mean we have very similar problems.
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1:37:42
Our courts are corrupt. So there is the chicken and the egg there. So if we would be able to get
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a standing in the national court and then use that as a base for the ICC,
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but there were many cases filed in England too, and nobody was accepted. No case was accepted.
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No, it's been the case all the way down the line. We filed the first one in 2003. 17 senior
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MPs and lawyers signed the letter to the ICC. It was Ocampo at the time was the prosecutor,
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1:38:21
and that was turned down. And everything that we've done since then has been turned down.
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I did get quite an amusing letter from one of the times I went to the ICC. It was addressed,
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1:38:33
instead of to Chris Coverdale, it was addressed to Christ Coverdale. I thought that was an
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interesting slip of the tongue. I love it.
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1:38:48
And also it is a legal possibility. It is under the Rome Charter and otherwise under United Nations,
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1:38:54
and on the other side it is controlled by British Crown judges.
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1:39:05
All right. So where that leads to, and it's a mindset, and Chris, you are both, and Mark,
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1:39:12
we've got people on this call who have a deep understanding of the human body.
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1:39:21
Now, the human body is incredibly complicated. There are people on this call who would have all
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1:39:28
sorts of various opinions about how to solve a problem with your body. On top of that, each
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1:39:35
body represented on this call live today is different. Chris and Anders and I, we have
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1:39:45
different bodies. Now, there are seven layers of laws, and what we have to understand is these
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1:39:54
seven layers, which come from natural law or God's law. That's the 1688 legislation that
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1:40:00
you're referring to, the monarch's oath at that time that we still have the benefit of. We have
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1:40:06
natural law, then we have international law, then we have national constitutions, then we have
914
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1:40:13
national laws in constitutions, then we have local laws in constitutions, then we have contractual
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1:40:20
agreements, and the application of law to the interpretation of those contractual agreements.
916
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1:40:25
So everybody stop looking for a black and white answer. And in my experience, I've had a law
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1:40:33
degree now for 51 years. Chris, what you are doing, and the conversation with Anders, I recommend that
918
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1:40:41
you two have, and Chris with Stephen, Chris with Mark Steele, what lawyers do is they have coffee
919
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1:40:50
in the morning, and they go and see King's Council, they go and shoot the breeze. Hey,
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1:40:55
what are we going to do about these 5G towers? What are we going to do about crimes against humanity?
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1:41:05
And there will be someone who says, oh, I remember a case back in 1927 that held this, and that
922
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1:41:12
won't have been raised by any court. And there's all this vast amount of knowledge, and it's this
923
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1:41:19
willingness to dig as Mark has been, as Anders has been, as each one of you has been. And I just want
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1:41:26
us in this environment to understand the law is as complex as the human body, and we just keep at it.
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1:41:35
And every time we lose, it helps us take the next step closer to winning. So it's, you know, and each
926
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1:41:41
time a judge behaves badly, it gives us another piece of ammunition to raise, to then present to
927
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1:41:47
other lawyers and awaken more lawyers so they start to see the fraudulent system that we are part of,
928
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1:41:53
just like doctors need to be shown the fraudulent nature of the medical system that we're in.
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1:42:01
I agree, and it's really understanding the system that is important. I've spent most of my time
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1:42:07
trying to really understand the social system, the governance system, and that the governance
931
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1:42:14
system in Britain operates differently, and one has to make sure that we dig down deep into finding
932
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1:42:22
out what is the underlying cause of the problems, rather than tackling the symptoms. So yes, I'm
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1:42:29
completely with you. So, and with slight nuance there, Chris, can you explain, I love the idea,
934
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1:42:37
and it's happening in Australia. You talked about it. I know this is focused on the UK, but
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1:42:43
there's a different answer to every country, and you know, Tom is in the US, we've got plenty of
936
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1:42:52
people in the US here, but local municipalities, the Swiss example that you give of 400 parliaments
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1:43:01
in Switzerland, and Richard Voebs did a presentation on, it was an allegory, if you like,
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1:43:08
of setting up these new community groups. How practical is that? Because the other principle
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1:43:14
that I share that I learned from other lawyers is laws without clause aren't laws. So similarly,
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1:43:19
judgment of the International Criminal Court is of no value if there's no enforcement,
941
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1:43:25
or a common law court that we set up that comes, that has declared that Ryan Ofolmik should not be
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1:43:32
in jail, he is still in jail, because there's no enforcement capability. How do, in the UK,
943
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1:43:37
stick to that for the moment, how does a group of people come together to create a new
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1:43:41
local municipality and ignore the one that's chasing you for money?
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1:43:48
Yeah, that's a very good question, Charles. I've been working on this for quite some time.
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1:43:54
I think one of the important things is to look at the models that do work worldwide. Now,
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1:44:02
the particular one that I'm going for in the UK is called a multi-stakeholder, limited liability,
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1:44:11
community platform cooperative. It's a bit of a mouthful, but it's basically, the law changed in
949
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1:44:19
Britain in 2014, making it possible for cooperatives to act in the same way that
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1:44:25
multi-national businesses operate. The big difference being the cooperative is only
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1:44:31
controlled by its members, whereas the big businesses are only controlled by shareholders.
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1:44:41
And we need to ensure that, for instance, we tried to set up in the Hastings and Rye constituency,
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1:44:49
Hastings and Rye community cooperative. Now, providing we set it out, set out the
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1:44:57
articles of association and we aim at being a cooperative and not a shareholder-owned company,
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1:45:04
then that model is a very useful one. Now, one of the biggest in the world is in northern Spain
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1:45:15
called Mondragon. Now, they have 85,000 members and about 30,000 employees worldwide
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1:45:22
in 17 different countries. And they were set up and they still are the world's biggest cooperative.
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1:45:28
Well, they weren't set up that way. They are now the world's biggest cooperative and very effective.
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1:45:36
They have their own university, their own courts, their own training systems and education systems,
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1:45:44
their own hospitals and banks and so on. So bit by bit, they have grown into a self-organizing,
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1:45:51
self-controlling community. And that's the sort of thing that is quite possible for us to do,
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1:45:56
particularly now that we've changed the law, making it possible for cooperatives to have the same
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1:46:08
benefits of limited liability and having business owners or cooperative members alongside
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1:46:13
individual members. And the great thing is that we can, for instance, in our local co-op,
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1:46:25
have Shell or BP or somebody join, but they only get one vote in our meetings alongside one vote
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1:46:32
for every individual member. So it brings back the power to a certain equality locally.
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1:46:42
Chris, may I say that perhaps building societies originally were set up that way?
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Yes, I agree. I mean, we need to go back to the old systems that work.
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1:47:00
Yeah, I'm with you 100%. I always applaud cooperatives and the building societies of old,
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1:47:04
but Maggie came in and destroyed them, didn't she?
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1:47:06
You're right.
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1:47:13
So, and then Jerry Brady suggests, and Peter Underwood would know this, and some of you will
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1:47:18
remember the concept of sortition. Chris, have you heard of sortition? Where do you think it's
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1:47:26
Chris? Have you heard of sortition where leaders are elected by ballot? You nominate for leadership.
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1:47:35
What that weeds out is the psychopaths. And it's within these cooperatives of Mondragon, everybody.
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1:47:41
Thank you, Siobhans, for putting the link into the chat. I remember reading about Mondragon a long
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1:47:52
time ago. So the leadership clearly of Mondragon, it's been going for decades, has worked. It hasn't
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been taken over by psychopaths. And it can't be because of the nature of its structure.
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It's individuals, you can only be individual members and corporate members, but you all have
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1:48:15
one vote. And because of that, and having limited liability, you make your own rules.
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And if you start, you can't be taken over because there's no shareholding. And that's very important.
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If you set it up as a cooperative by shares, then somebody with lots of money can come in and buy
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the shares and take over the cooperative. Yeah. Well, if it's limited liability and a cooperative
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by guarantee rather than by shares, then you do not have that possibility. Everybody has a
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1:48:54
guarantee of say, 100 pounds or one pound, whatever it is. But there's no shares to be taken over.
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1:49:00
Yeah, very good. So everybody think about cooperatives because each country has different
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1:49:05
laws on cooperatives. It's a great idea. Now, Chris, before we go to Stephen, because we haven't
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1:49:13
got any hands up, we've got half an hour to go. The other question I want that you've raised
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1:49:25
it earlier, what's your thinking of creating a process to shine a light on all legislation
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1:49:33
that's before the parliament? You know, that's the same. I'm thinking about this for Australia.
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1:49:38
We've got six states, you know, plus the national law. So I would. And it seems to me that there are
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1:49:44
plenty of people and finding out the legislation that's coming before parliament is very easy to
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1:49:49
do. It's all online. It's not hidden. It's just that people don't have time to look at it. But if
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1:49:56
we set up a process to examine those laws and we shine a light on it, then I think we could
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1:50:01
stop shitty laws coming into enforcement. What's your, have you looked at that yet?
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1:50:08
I have indeed. And that was one of the reasons I suggested having a look at how things work in
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1:50:17
Switzerland, because Switzerland hasn't had an external war in 850 something years. And
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1:50:25
their lawmaking process is slow and deliberate and careful and cooperative.
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1:50:35
And they don't have all these lobby groups from big corporations, as far as I can find out,
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1:50:46
forcing their attention on our MPs as happens in the UK. They have, for example, so if a law
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1:50:52
comes up from one of the cantons, it is discussed in parliament. They have to have a certain amount
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1:51:01
of people sign up to get it going in the first place, rather like California does. And then it
1003
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1:51:10
goes to the two parliaments, the equivalent of our House of Commons and House of Lords or Senate and
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1:51:19
Congress. It goes to one, they look at it and they cooperate in trying to get it into a format. They
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1:51:25
pass it to the others. They have a look at it. They bring up any difficulties and make changes
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1:51:33
and they pass it back to the first. And that process happens three times. So in other words,
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1:51:40
it's looked at up to six times. And if they still can't get agreement, then it's dropped and will
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1:51:45
come back in four or five years time. If they do get agreement, they then have to go out to the
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1:51:54
cantons and have a national referendum on it. And it does not become law until everybody or 51% or
1010
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1:52:04
whatever the percentage is, depending on the law, has been agreed by the people. And that's the sort
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1:52:13
of process that we need to develop in this country. The party system is really causing us major
1012
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1:52:23
problems. And the fact is that people are putting the government to oppose the government and the
1013
1:52:23
1:52:30
government opposes the opposition. It's constant competition. And really what we need is cooperation
1014
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1:52:38
through and through to come up with a new law which suits everybody, not just the lobbying group or the
1015
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1:52:41
energy companies or whoever it is, is putting it forward.
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1:52:43
– Yep. Very good.
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1:52:50
– So Chris, what went wrong in Switzerland in 2020 then? Because they had lockdowns in Switzerland,
1018
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1:52:51
as far as I understand.
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1:52:56
– I don't know the answer to that one, I'm afraid. I don't know.
1020
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1:53:01
– All right, Peter, and then we'll go to Stephen and we'll finish in half an hour.
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1:53:09
– So let me introduce the group to the South African or African concept of Ubuntu.
1022
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1:53:10
– Oh, lovely.
1023
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1:53:23
– Ubuntu. It is all about cooperation. And working together as a group, I put out my
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1:53:37
letter from South Africa on Saturday. And it was focused on the wolf pack. Wolf packs
1025
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1:53:45
survive because they work cooperatively. That's what I wanted to say.
1026
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1:53:54
– Yes, I had a good session. We had the one small town group and Michael Tellinger has been pushing
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1:53:58
Ubuntu in this country. And I think it's a brilliant idea. I really do.
1028
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1:54:06
– Yeah, absolutely, Chris. I'm with you 100%. I'm sorry, I'm suffering from the
1029
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1:54:09
winter.
1030
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1:54:12
– You're suffering from what, Peter?
1031
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1:54:18
– The winter. We've got a winter here at the moment. It's driving me nuts.
1032
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1:54:23
– Well, Peter, I'm so glad. I'm just glad that you didn't say you've got COVID.
1033
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1:54:33
Because there is no COVID. But anyway, I wanted to ask Chris. I think you said, Chris,
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1:54:40
amongst all the other stuff you said, you said there'd been five genocides in the last four
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1:54:43
and a half years in the United Kingdom. Is that correct?
1036
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1:54:48
– Five medical genocides and seven military genocides.
1037
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1:54:49
– So what are they then?
1038
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1:54:58
– Well, the seven military genocides are Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and then the
1039
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1:55:06
support for the Ukraine, the Yemen, and Gaza, Palestine. Those are the seven military genocides.
1040
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1:55:13
And the five medical ones are really to do with the COVID response, the
1041
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1:55:22
Madazelan murders in the care homes, for instance, the lockdown and the suicides and others that
1042
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1:55:30
happen for small businesses and so on. The putting out the DNR, do not resuscitate
1043
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1:55:38
instructions. The injections themselves, and I forget the fifth one.
1044
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1:55:44
It'll come back to me anyway. So each one of those is a separate
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1:55:52
genocide, which has led to the deaths of at least 10,000 British citizens because they were
1046
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1:55:56
residents of Britain and not any other reason.
1047
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1:56:02
– Well, the other genocide would be that it was a PSYOP. It was a government PSYOP, wasn't it?
1048
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1:56:09
That the result of what they did in 2020 was that huge numbers of people in the United Kingdom,
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1:56:16
and because it was the United Kingdom all around the world, were psychologically tortured by their
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1:56:16
own government.
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1:56:21
– Not only a PSYOP, but assault, literally assault, Stephen.
1052
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1:56:29
– Sure. So people don't understand that human beings are very highly social animals.
1053
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1:56:36
We need company. So any government in the world should have been, all the governments in the world
1054
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1:56:42
and all the doctors should have been aware of this, and that lockdowns were against human nature
1055
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1:56:48
and therefore harmful. And if you isolate a human being long enough, he or she will die.
1056
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1:56:55
Particularly a baby, of course, it's obvious, a child even, but adults will as well. And I don't
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1:57:00
know whether you're aware of the, you might be able to use it in one of your private prosecutions,
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1:57:07
Chris. You need to cite the very important experiments, the Universe 25 experiments.
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1:57:10
– Can you say that again?
1060
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1:57:13
– Universe 25 experiments on mice.
1061
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1:57:14
– Oh, right.
1062
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1:57:27
– And the 25, I thought it related to 2025, but no, apparently the government, the experiment was
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1:57:33
so important that they repeated it 25 times to make sure that the results were correct.
1064
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1:57:44
So, and what it was about was that they, the mice were essentially, they had very good conditions,
1065
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1:57:49
they had as much food and water as they needed, but they weren't allowed, I don't think they were
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1:57:59
given too much food. They had space initially, but then the population increased, and then it
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1:58:09
became apparent that there was a lack of interest in sex, and thereby the population eventually
1068
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1:58:15
started to reduce, but there were a whole group of males who were not interested in reproducing,
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1:58:20
and the females, I can't remember all the details now, but it's an extremely important
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1:58:29
experiment in my view, and it was allegedly done by an individual, but it was done for the government,
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1:58:38
or for governments, and that would fit with the 25 times bit, you know, that, so I think that it
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1:58:46
was actually an exercise in, you know, into getting the mice into a state where they didn't
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1:58:50
want to live anymore, and I think that's what the lockdowns were about. They were about causing
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1:58:56
human beings so much suffering that they didn't want to live. We have to think about what the
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1:59:02
possibilities in the minds of these people who perpetrated what they did in the last four years,
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1:59:07
what was in their minds, and I think anything is possible, and I think that there was a will to
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1:59:15
how shall I say, and there is a will to continuing will to isolate human beings from
1078
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1:59:21
each other and generations from each other to drive wedges everywhere between human beings,
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1:59:27
and this is wrong in my opinion, and we need to call them out on every attempt to turn men
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1:59:34
against women and women against men in particular, because the women need protection in times of
1081
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1:59:40
lack of safety, so we've always cooperated, men and women, but not just,
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1:59:52
the wars that are created by politicians and others between generations, children
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1:59:57
who think that because their grandparents, their parents, don't understand computers as well as they,
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2:00:04
they are led to believe that that means they can't learn anything from their elders,
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2:00:11
that's ridiculous, and similarly the adults, the parents and the grandparents have lost confidence
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2:00:16
and they believe all this crap that if they don't understand computers they have nothing to teach
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2:00:23
their children, it's nonsense, absolute nonsense, we need wisdom, and I think that the problem
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2:00:33
is exacerbated by these phones, social media, computers, the love of stuff that cannot be
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2:00:38
regulated by anybody, because it's so damn complicated for human beings that they don't
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2:00:42
know how to regulate it, anything that cannot be regulated in my opinion needs to be put in the bin
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2:00:46
because it's bad for human beings and we're seeing that now.
1092
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2:00:57
Yes, I fully agree with you, we need action to change the system, it's wrong and it's
1093
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2:01:03
causing us immense problems. Sure, education is absolutely key and I don't know how we're going to
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2:01:11
do that. A good start is to get a good criminal case going against our leaders for conduct,
1095
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2:01:18
ancillary to genocide and that will spread rapidly around the world. I would love to see
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2:01:25
Tony Blair convicted in court of genocide and sent to prison and that would have effects
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2:01:32
right around the world immediately. Again, perhaps Matt Hancock, prosecuted for conduct,
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2:01:42
ancillary to genocide for his role in the COVID-19 experiment. Yes, so in particular I think the
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2:01:46
lockdowns have been overlooked, the governments are trying to put it about that actually they
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2:01:51
should have brought in the lockdowns earlier and it's absolute nonsense. In my opinion as a doctor
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there was no pandemic and there was no disease called COVID-19, no respiratory disease, so what
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was it about them? Was anything true of what we were told in the last four years? I think not.
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I agree and perhaps it's also worth pointing out the Nuremberg code,
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yes very important, which is essential in those sort of situations which makes it a criminal offence
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if you don't explain to people before having the injection the likely effects. Absolutely and do
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you know this? So in my opinion no doctor in the world knew what was in these injections so it's
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absolutely impossible for any doctor in the world to obtain informed consent. So why in the world
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were they recommending it all over the world, these damn doctors and my colleagues? I'm very angry with
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them. I think the money plays a big role in everything. But Chris also where were the lawyers?
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The lawyers just they were more concerned about getting their law firms into trouble and losing
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business than thinking about where this was all going and the effects on their grandchildren and
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their children if they cared. Yeah I agree. I've found the lawyers and law firms and justice system
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in this country is right at the seat of the problem. Yeah and look at the Letbe case. I don't know
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whether you know about the Letbe case, the nurse in Chester, the counters of Chester? Yeah I don't
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know much about it but I just heard about it yes. Yeah so that looks like a miscarriage of justice.
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We've got the post office thing, what nurse is that about? 800 people is it went to where
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were found guilty of criminal offences. These postmasters and postmistresses you know they
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were chosen because they were trustworthy and then 800 of them are found guilty of criminal offences
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and all the time it was due to a damn computer system which was not you're not allowed to question.
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And it says something about our justice system that that could happen. It really does. Absolutely.
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Rather likely 559 MPs who voted in favor of continuing the bombing of Libya when David
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Cameron had started it three days earlier and 559 MPs voted in favor and 14 against.
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Yes I have to say Chris only six MPs turned up to Andrew Bridgens. Yes.
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I just have to say that. Oh by the way Chris you might be able to help Andrew Bridgen because I
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found out after the election he only you know allegedly only got 1500 votes well last time he
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got 35 000 so how on earth can he have become so. You are so right Stephen you're so right I
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Marked that he had 35 000 at the
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the interim election and then in the final election he got 1500.
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No no the previous election the previous general election he got 35 000. Yeah. He was a conservative
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it was a former labor seat he was in beating his majority it was 20 000 majority I think and
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previously it was a labor seat so you can see how successful he was there is no way British people
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would desert someone like Andrew Bridgen who was talking from the heart. Absolutely Stephen you're
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so right. Can I just make finish the point so there's no way the British people would desert
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someone like that so the British people are good people generally of course there are bad eggs
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there are bad eggs in every country but but um there's no way they could be so disloyal and
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1500 that was their big mistake they wanted to totally humiliate him with a terrible figure for
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him and say to him essentially look no one's listening to you Andrew. Can you say Stephen that
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the British. The point I want to make is they made a big mistake in making the number so damn small
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that it was obvious to anybody who understands numbers that that there's no way that that could
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have occurred that's the point. Yeah you are so right Stephen how the hell can we believe in the
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British constitution and its electoral system. Yeah but the British people go to work they all
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worst thing you can do in Britain is cause a fuss about anything so they go to work they don't
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complain oh mustn't complain no that's the last thing we must do it doesn't matter how long the
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queue is if it's a mile long you mustn't complain. Yeah I think the system we can
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focus on is the actual counting of the votes unfortunately all the papers are destroyed as
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soon as it's over we there's no checks on it at all and we have to find a way of checking every
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single vote absolutely what happened in that situation the corruption in the voting system
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in this country has been going on for at least 25 years since. Agreed absolutely Chris. We've got
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an expert on voter fraud in America he's a good he is a absolutely brilliant with computers and
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so he's worked out but didn't understand the importance as I understand it but Jerome Corsi
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who wrote the book about JFK which came up his assassination which came out recently
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um he understood the importance of it so he so this guy this brilliant guy working on his own
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finds a an algorithm in the voting records for New York state yeah so an algorithm by definition
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is evidence of fraud yes so and he's we also have evidence of fraud in Scotland for the um the
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original um um separation debate um yeah you're right Chris so he worked out how is it happened
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in America and so Jerome Corsi he confirms that it's likely that um they use the same method in
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the UK in the recent elections to novel Andrew Bridgen for example yes I agree with that
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that's amazing I learned a bit about this when I was standing for parliament in 2005 in the Wimbledore
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constituency uh I then found it out from experience just how corrupt the whole thing is jeez
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I'm horrified I I've worked in the citizens of vice bureau for at least 10 years
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and believed that we had uh a viable system no I'm completely
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disenchanted they made a massive mistake in that 1500 for Andrew Bridgen because people like me
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and other people around the world are very interested in this voting fraud now for the
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United Kingdom as well as the United States yeah yeah you're right Stephen it's frightening my
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friend thank god I'm in South Africa it's like the psychopaths who bring their attempt themselves to
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the attention of the um police in serial murders you know they just cannot resist taunting the
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police and they bring they bring themselves to the attention of the police and start suggesting
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things because they want to be they want to achieve notoriety or whatever or or and eventually
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they get caught by their own vanity yeah and I think that's what's happened in the case of
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Andrew Bridgen's election you're right Stephen you're right my friend but the point is Chris
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that we we've worked out that there's something wrong with that election in particular uh and we
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need to work out how we can go for certain people who are responsible who are also vulnerable if
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you understand me yes well I believe that we we've got to go for the top right now um so I'll come
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back to you when we've got that underway yeah Chris you're absolutely right I've just written
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um an article on starma I've tracked this guy for some years now he is a snake in the grass
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and I'm going to be writing a a sub stack uh in the next couple of weeks
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because I know he's wef there's no doubt about that and he's absolutely committed to globalist
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uh attention yes and has anybody on this call noticed Chris have you noticed and Peter for that
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matter uh but others as well has anybody looked into starma's eyes and thought those are weird
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eyes he looks scared to death he looks absolutely terrified absolutely he's controlled Stephen
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he looks as though he's in the headlights and I so he's supposed to be a barrister
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I think he's a barrister isn't he or is he a solicitor no he was he was um he was a barrister
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he let that guy um jeez uh I can't remember the name yeah he must he must be the most
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frightened barrister I've ever seen them well he let Savile get away he let Jimmy get away
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I will never forgive him for doing that yeah I forgot the names uh so yeah exactly
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but there was another case that he was instrumental in which was that now um
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well I I had direct experience with him um because we reported uh Blair and others for war crimes and
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he was the DPP who turned it down yes wasn't actually in his name he got other people to
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sign the letter but he was in charge of the DPP when when we tried to prosecute Blair and the
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rest of them for genocide and crimes against humanity yeah and let us not forget as well it's
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um so he also got thrown out of a pub by that publican in Bath
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do you ever see that I saw the video it was absolutely brilliant
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he literally got thrown out and his staff were absolutely mesmerized they couldn't understand
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how anybody would want to throw Stammer and his crew out you know Christ he's bloody
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he am now for God's sake yeah so and also we should say on this call for the record
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that Stammer I think it was in a BBC Newsnight program I think it was Kirsty Wark who said where
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would you rather be she didn't say Kiers Stammer but it was Kiers where would you rather be uh
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Davos or Westminster he thought absolutely and he said Davos and she smiled it was some kind of
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inside joke in the BBC at the public's expense it was just ridiculous you're so right Stevie
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I need an archivist
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yes well we we've got to do some I promise you we will be working on this and um any support we can
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2:14:37
get to get that man and most of the others into prison could we bring a private prosecution against
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2:14:45
Kiers Stammer for um putting the country at risk by saying that he prefers the Davos where the
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2:14:51
World Economic Forum meets every January to Westminster that's that's behavior
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consistent with treason as far as I can see well I think there's better evidence of him saying for
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instance he supports um the Netanyahu's um removal of the food and medical supplies and the food and
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medical supplies and other things and he thinks that's a good thing
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that is a direct statement of genocide in uh in support of um the Israeli government
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yes you're so right and Chris I think he was absolute genocide it's Zionism Chris I think he
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was planning a genocide for the anti-vaxxers as well because he said we must we must deal with
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the anti-vaxxers and if yes he said we must join with the opposition to do it I'm prepared to do
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2:15:52
it sorry with the conservative government at the time uh so dealing with the anti what did he mean
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2:15:58
dealing with the anti-vaxxers was he gonna he did say that Stephen I've actually printed that out
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in my letter that's coming out recently or in the next couple of weeks he said we have to deal with
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the anti-vaxxers yeah that's what I said Peter that's what I said I said that yeah we have to
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do what on earth did he mean by deal with them well he meant we have to eliminate them well exactly
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2:16:34
that's yes exactly that's what he was kind of a hate crime wasn't it putting thoughts in the
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minds of the public you know it's absolutely this is like this is insightful behavior absolutely
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absolutely so we already knew that well we did that the British population had been
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2:16:55
psychologically tortured so long-term starmer and you know we had Matthias Desmet who's a professor
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2:17:01
of psychology or whatever and he was saying that we don't know where this could end you know we
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2:17:07
don't know when when there could be atrocities triggered it could happen at any time it was you
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know I was saying whoa we could have an atrocity you know killing people uh you know because they
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2:17:19
were in a cult essentially I think that's what he was saying he never used the word but but um uh so
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we could have these atrocities and there's kios dharma uh who's now the prime minister of the UK
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saying we must deal with the antivaxxers absolutely you couldn't make it up
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so anyway Chris we've come to an end Chris you've done very come to a fiery end yeah sorry about that
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no no we've come to a wonderful appropriate end inspiring us to all take responsibility for next
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steps that need to be taken and Chris you know congratulations on your courage on your willingness
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2:17:58
to to stand up for what you believe that many people on this call do the same and listening to
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2:18:05
you and those watching this recording must understand that if we want to fight back against
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2:18:10
this we need to be willing to suffer now anyone who's gone to war ever any country you know when
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2:18:15
the when the average person is in the military when the australians went to world wars one and two
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the people in the military most of them suffer we have to be willing to suffer and Chris
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you are a wonderful example to us of the willingness to suffer for your beliefs if you're
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not then it's not a belief you're just talking shit so let's not talk shit let's act thank you
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Chris for being here Stephen thank you for organizing thank you again officially I think
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actually one of the jobs that's very much underrated in in the present situation which we're in after
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2:18:49
four and a half years of this nonsense and long before probably except I wasn't really fully aware
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2:18:58
is that one of the most important resources I think are archivists otherwise known as librarians
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2:19:03
we need librarians we need them to catalog all this stuff that we've talked about tonight but
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2:19:09
all the other stuff we know in our heads which we can't possibly manage on our own in on our
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2:19:16
computers you know and we need to realize this and get some very very good librarians I've been
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2:19:23
saying this for some time to document everything and to be able to find it again so remember the
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2:19:30
algorithms in the voting fraud in America the importance of those was that they could not only
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2:19:36
create a hundred identities for one person but that they could hide those identities so that
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nobody would find them but guess what when there was a problem in a state or whatever
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they could stop the counting and then find all these identities secretly so
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2:19:57
so even you're so right my friend librarians and what we're talking about all right we've got the
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2:20:04
message come on no no I mean it just so we can store the information and then pick it up for us
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2:20:11
when we need it because they so they have a sixth sense so they know what we want yeah there are
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plenty of librarians and they can find the information that is useful to Chris
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no there are people on this call who are librarians Tom Rodman is JJ Cooey as Tom Rodman points out
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there are collectors here of information so well they well they haven't made their okay right
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okay they haven't made themselves known Charles well no we don't need to that's the beauty Stephen
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of having well no you missed the point Charles because what I'm saying is we need people who can
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2:20:45
store the information well create one a point who's going to appoint them no you've made the
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2:20:52
point you want government to set up a librarian no thank you no I was trying to explain
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2:21:06
20 000 files of data already okay we're finishing Tom go quick I think could I just add one last
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2:21:13
thing Charles yep I think it's important that we've got to get past the data phase into action
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2:21:20
and one of the simplest things everybody can do is to stop paying for what's happening stop paying
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2:21:28
tax nice beautiful message Tom what do you want to say before we finish oh okay well the telegram
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2:21:35
channel is intended for that the hashtags are a way of aggregating data we can export the telegram
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2:21:43
to a flat file which I do periodically my telegram my primary telegram account was clobbered for no
1265
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2:21:51
apparent reason so I'm telegrams wonderful but I'm still angry at them also um yeah I keep I keep
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2:21:59
things and uh I have a lot of information in one text file and because you try signal Tom
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the signal doesn't have a lot of the features that telegram have has okay but I mean yeah we
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2:22:15
got to use everything um okay thank you excellent all right everybody they're out at Chris the fact
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that you don't know actions being taken none of us know all the actions that are being taken there
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2:22:22
are plenty of actions being taken and you are an ongoing inspiration keep taking more action
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2:22:28
so we will and and the state is going to create a library sorry yeah Charles I saw three very
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important things in my emails today and and other elsewhere um and I thought how am I going to
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remember those and I just wish I had somewhere to put this stuff because I know in a week's time I've
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2:22:44
completely forgotten about them it may come up I may remember in a week's time I may not good well
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2:22:51
you need to be put it in one file put everything in one file learn how to search it Tom that's not
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the point so we've got Chris Coverdale he's a bit more organized than me say there are others
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you know like um okay hang on Stephen we know you're a genius at certain things and you're
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2:23:06
not a genius at collecting information you need an assistant and there's someone on this call
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2:23:12
or recording who's a who's got nothing to do who says I will become Stephen Frost's
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2:23:20
personal assistant okay we're going thanks Chris thanks everybody
1281
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2:23:27
finding the information storing it Charles and then refinding yes that's what your virtual
1282
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2:23:33
assistant will do for you Stephen you don't pay them money they'll help you because they're inspired
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by what you want to create Charles I don't want to computer as my assistant Stephen you have to
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want to learn if you don't want to learn IT stuff I mean but if you do want to learn it then
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how do you learn it now