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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and today's discussion.
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This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost over three years ago with the desire to pursue
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truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government and
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power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology
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and overnight while I was sleeping here in Australia, the Julian Assange case decision
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was handed down. I wonder if while we're doing this recording, if anybody was that was that
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handed down? Does anybody know? Because Stephen has done a lot of work on this.
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Yes, I've just got reports Charles. I just got reports today, just minutes ago actually.
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The case was handed down. He's got time now to appeal again.
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Okay, thank you. Thank you Peter. Just quickly, I just wanted that for the purpose of this
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because Stephen has fought for Julie and Assange's freedom over the years. I'm Charles Covester,
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moderator of this group on Australasia's passion provocateur and we love passionate people
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in these meetings. I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago
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and over the last 13 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine
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damage and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
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We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought
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that vaccines were okay. Now many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers.
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If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat
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and where you're from. If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio or TV show
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or you've written a book, put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you
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and find you. Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that the
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medical science battle is only one of 12 battlefields of this latest world war and
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there's no time to be tired. We're four years into what I think is going to be a seven-year
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war. I thought it was going to be a six-year war. I think we've got another three years
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to go probably. Most of us understand the development of science and that the science
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is never settled. Anybody who tells you the science is settled, they've got an agenda
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to sell you. Some of us believe that viruses exist. Some of us believe that viruses are
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a hoax and some of us are on the fence. And some commentators on this Rumble channel say
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that anybody who believes that viruses exist is a liar or a fool. So there you are. The
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criticisms are coming loud and strong. This meeting runs for two and a half hours after
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which for those with the time, Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts the
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links into the chat if you're able to join. We will listen to our guest presenter, Dr.
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Thomas Binder for as long as Thomas wishes to speak and then we have Q&A. Stephen Frost
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by long established tradition asks the first questions for 15 minutes. This is a free speech
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environment. Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms.
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If you're offended by anything, be offended. We are lovingly not interested. We reject
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the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another. We
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come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear
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squashes you. Love on the other hand expands you. Our strength as men and women comes from
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being united. The globalist agenda is to divide us in the context of relationships with other
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human beings, understand that unity is strength. These twice weekly meetings are not just talk
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fests. An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages
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made by attendees in these meetings. If you have a solution or a product or links or resources
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that will help people, put the details into the chat. The meeting is recorded and is uploaded
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onto the Rumble channel. And now let me introduce, let me give you the bio. We've agreed that
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we will include the bio to make life easy for viewers of these recordings. And let me
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tell you a little bit just quickly about Thomas Binder. And if it was Binder, if it was in
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Australia it would say binder, but it's Binder. And Thomas studied medicine at the University
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of Zurich and received his doctorate in immunology and virology, specialised in internal medicine
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and cardiology, has 36 years of experience also in diagnostics and therapy of respiratory
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infections in hospitals and in ICUs. He's been working in his private practice in Switzerland
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for 26 years. He stood up for the return to scientificity, medicine and humanness in March
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2020 and has done so since then. On Easter Saturday evening, 2020, he was arrested in
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his practice by an anti-terrorist unit after a slanderer had made the allegations he threatened
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the government and society, was armed and had a psychiatric history, which was all wrong.
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Yet, he was detained in a closed psychiatry unit for six days because of COVID insanity.
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He was a board member of the Swiss Aletheia Humane Medicine and Science, is a core member
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of Doctors for COVID Ethics, a member of the German Physicians and Scientists for Health,
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Freedom and Democracy, is one of the 22 life scientists who wrote the Cormann-Droston
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Review Report, including addendum blogs, articles, talks and interviews you can find on Thomas'
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personal website. We put this into the chat, thomasbinder.ch. Of course, this was the extension
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for Switzerland and on ex also known as Twitter at thomas underscore binder. So Thomas, welcome
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your frequent visitor to here, looking forward to hearing what you have to say to us. Hello,
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Stephen with your nicely brushed hair and Thomas, we're in your hands.
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Welcome everybody. Thank you, Stephen, for your invitation and Charles for your kind
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introduction. I'd like to talk about my experience during the last four years and about my two
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cents on this Corona pandemic and the injections, of course, and maybe there will be some time
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about to talk about the big picture as well. Yeah, well, I was confronted with COVID like
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you all in first in January 2020 with these pictures and videos from Wuhan that I realized
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were simply too much. I mean, we saw those hoards running around in penguin suits, cannons
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mounted on lorries, allegedly spraying disinfectants in the air and people allegedly dying suddenly
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in the streets that always landed on their hands. So I thought, oh my God, what's this?
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At that time, of course, I didn't know what was going on. I didn't know what was going
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on, whether these pictures were directed against the Chinese populace or against the populace
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of the whole world. But I thought this is very strange. And then there was silence,
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more or less silence for about a month. And then one morning I woke up and in the news
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I heard now the virus is in Bergamo. Bergamo is in northern Italy and northern Italy is
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50 km from the Swiss border where I live. And I was amazed. I was surprised to see that
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like, obviously, almost everybody thought, oh, well, we have to do exactly the same as
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the Chinese did because at the same time, we got messages from Wuhan that the Chinese
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in their heroic war against the virus won. So obviously most people thought that we have
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to do exactly the same, install the same insane authoritarian unscientific measures as stated.
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And I couldn't understand the word. I mean, everything I had learned in medical school
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during my scientific education, in my practical medical life was suddenly turned upside down.
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And I was amazed that other doctors did not inform the public. So I thought, well, it's
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my duty to inform the public as a doctor. So first I wrote emails to better doctors,
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to journalists I knew, politicians I knew to inform them about what's going on. And
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the spooky thing was I never got any answer, not even an answer like, Thomas, you're crazy
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or so, just no answer. So as I could not reach out to journalists, I intensified my activities
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in social media. I wrote blogs. And on the first day before Easter 2020, I wrote a huge
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blog again where I explained the whole prevailing corona nonsense narrative, that the indications
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to test is wrong, test is wrong. Highly likely there is no epidemiologically relevant asymptomatic
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transmission, that it is irresponsibly panicking the populace with a CFR of 2% while every
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pupil understands that the IFR is important, that is highly likely 100 times or so lower.
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So that this virus probably is even less dangerous than influenza in the range of its broader
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and sister coronaviruses and so on and so forth. And this blog was clicked about 20,000
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times in a day. So I thought, oh, well, I didn't understand why me, an ordinary doctor,
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should inform Switzerland or maybe half of the world. But well, I did it. And I thought
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in a week or so other doctors will come out, this information will spread exponentially
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and this whole corona nonsense narrative will have crashed within a week. I want you to
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go on holiday on Easter for a week. But so on Easter Saturday in the evening, I was doing
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some final work in my practice before going on holiday. And at about 10 o'clock, I was
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arrested by an anti-terrorist squad, 20 policemen. In this whole operation, 60 policemen were
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involved. And the reason was that the good acquaintance of mine, whom I sent these emails
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as well, who read my blogs, in these tweets, blogs, etc., he projected threats, threats
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against the government, against the populace. And he called another good acquaintance of
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mine, the prime minister of the canton of the province where I live in Switzerland.
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And on the phone, they decided they do not want to call me and they asked me, Thomas,
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we do not understand what you want to tell us. Maybe we meet for a corona and you can
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explain it to us again. No, they informed the chief of the state police and he started
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this whole operation. At the same time, they protected the whole government of my province
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and the train station that is opposite to my practice was closed for hours because of
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this well-known fundamentalist terrorist, Dr. Thomas Pinder. After one hour, they realized
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all allegations, there were three allegations, were wrong. The allegations were I was a threat,
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I was armed, I had a psychiatric history. They found out after an hour everything was
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wrong so they could not even issue an arrest warrant, they could not imprison me. But they
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did not apologize and send me home. Then they sent a colleague to me that had to check my
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ability to be imprisoned, although they could not imprison me. And this was an emergency
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doctor. You must imagine already at that time she wore a hardcore FFP2 mask and was shouting
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put on the mask, put on the mask, the virus, the virus. So this colleague had to check
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my mental status and she decided I was corona insane. She invented a new diagnosis and as
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insanity alone is not enough or involuntary commitment, she decided I must be self-endangering.
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Although in a tweet some days ago, because everything seemed so spooky to me, I wrote
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something like I'm 58 years old, sporty, no medication and never ever commit suicide.
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So I spent six days in closed psychiatry, the first 36 hours in a padded cell. But then
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of course I appealed and the court decided yes, they have to release me. But then in
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this psychiatric hospital a psychiatrist diagnosed mania. I would suffer from mania. So the court
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said okay, you are a doctor, you want to continue to work. So there are two possibilities. Either
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you stay in the psychiatric hospital for six weeks to have treated your mania or you can
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leave and go on and continue to work. But then you have to take a Beli-Fi, a neuroleptic
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and whether I took it or not was checked by a blood check once per week. So I decided
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to do the latter. So this was Soviet style psychiatry in Switzerland. But I never did
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something unlawful. Everything I told and wrote from March 2020 on was 100% scientific
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and evidence based so they could not really do me harm. I continued to work and of course
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I even intensified to inform the public. So I networked locally in Switzerland. I joined
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a group of Swiss, a network of Swiss doctors and scientists called Alethea, then later
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for COVID.
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In this context I have to mention one important person that is Suchary Bhakti. Of course I
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realized immediately that everything is nonsense. But of course as a doctor I could not go public
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while only searching for 99%. I had to be 200% sure. At that time I found Suchary, I
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found his YouTube videos. You can look into his eyes and within a second you realize this
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is a deeply honest, intelligent and pathetic person. I saw he is telling the same. Later
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I found Wolfgang Wodarg as well. Those guys gave me the assurance that I was right so
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that I could go public.
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It is essential that the public understands that there was no pandemic of a killer virus.
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This was mainly an RT-PCR testing pandemic because this of course is the recipe for the
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WHO to fabricate any RT or PCR testing pandemic against any alleged or real disease.
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I would like to stress that I am open to debate about everything. Whether there is a virus
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around or not I am not completely sure. I am not completely sure whether it is a testing
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pandemic by 95%, 99% or 100%. I am also ready to debate about whether there are viruses
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or not. For the moment I think this debate is not very fruitful because already now when
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we go to court the judges and the prosecutors think we are crazy. In the currently accepted
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belief system alone there are 1001 reasons to unveil this whole nonsense so we do not
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need the other stuff. If you tell the judge there are no viruses at all they even think
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we are more insane. I think this may somewhat divide us. I think we are more likely to be
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and I think this is not very fruitful in public. We can debate about everything in a closed
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circle but this is my personal opinion. You can have another opinion of course but this
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is my personal opinion. In what I say I still think there are viruses but I am not absolutely
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sure of course. I learned during these times that we have to question everything especially
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in the medical and scientific field of course. The basis of this nonsense narrative of course
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is the RT-PCR test. Even before this comes to light we have to do the RT-PCR test. We
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have to do the RT-PCR test. I mean how did we treat the flu and the cold before 2020?
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Well it is usually a self-limiting disease so we treated ourselves and after 7 days it
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was over. Sometimes it got worse and maybe day 5 when it got worse we went to the GP
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and he maybe diagnosed complicating secondary bacteria pneumonia that could still be treated
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on an outpatient basis with antibiotics and lasted maybe 2 or 3 weeks. But here the people
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were told and only when it got really worse life threatening the GP sent us to the hospital
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and only at that stage we tested for the causative germ. The GP had just to decide is it highly
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likely a viral infection or is it a bacterial infection. But in the very severe life threatening
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cases we wanted to treat specifically with antiviral drugs so then we must know the causative
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virus and only at that stage we tested. We never tested for a cold or a flu virus before
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and we did not test only for one of all possible causative germs like they did here. They did
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no longer test for influenza they only tested for SARS-CoV-2 and we did not test asymptomatic
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formally called healthy people of course. This was all totally insane. Then there comes
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the wrong test of course. PCR is not a test for an infection it is a test for the presence
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of a certain amount of a certain part of a genome of a causative of a germ. And even
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if it is 100% sensitive and specific presence of a tiny amount of somebody or a virus is
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of course does never prove an infection. The more viruses is around the lower the CTs the
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higher is the likelihood that this is the causative germ. But the PCR test result must
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always seen in conjunction with other clinical findings of course. And then of all possible
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PCR tests they chose the worst. The Cormann-Drawston testing protocol is the recipe for the worst
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RT-PCR test for SARS-CoV-2. We could possibly imagine any advanced biochemistry student
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could do a better one within a day. And then another important if these case numbers are
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of course they these case numbers could cranked up and down according to the script by changing
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the sensitivity and the specificity of the test. I mean what many even so called experts
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allegedly do not even know by now is that a specificity of 99% does not mean 1% of the
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tests are false positives and 19% are correct. But that the meaning of specificity is highly
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dependent on the prevalence of the virus. If the prevalence of the virus is zero close
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to zero all or almost all positive tests are false positives. I explain it to lay people
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like this. If we do a pregnancy test that is 99% specific in 10,000 men we will get
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100 positives. And as the prevalence of pregnancy in men is zero all those 100 tests are false
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positives. And this positivity rate of about 1% is what we saw during the summer when there
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was no or almost no coronaviruses around. And this Drosten test was especially bad because
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it cross reacts with all the coronaviruses. There was a laboratory survey in Germany already
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in summer 2020 where the specificity of the test was 98.6%. But this specificity went
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down to 92.4% in the presence of all the coronaviruses. So it is clear that in the flu in the corona
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season that the positivity rate goes up. So whether there was SARS-CoV-2 around or not
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I am not 100% sure. But it is clear that most, most COVID cases were fabricated out of the
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thin air by mislabelling other diagnosis. Mainly influenza that miraculously disappeared
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during this time with this nonsense test. There are many proofs for this. I think that
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the best proof I call it a picture paints a thousand words. Maybe I may share my screen.
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Yes you can. Can you see it? Yep. This is a 3D picture paints a thousand words. Now
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this is the ICU bed monitoring of the famous Swiss University ETH. There we see the number
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of ICU beds. We see the date. Black curve is the total ICU bed occupancy. The green
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curve are the non-COVID patients and the orange curve are the COVID patients. Now look what
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happens. Let's look here. In the summer we have the false positivity rate of about 1%.
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And then suddenly there is an increase of the COVID patients. COVID patients arrive
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in the ICU. Then what would you expect? That the green curves myocardial infarctions, pulmonary
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embolisms, car accidents, etc. would go on straight like this. Maybe someday a little
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bit go down when they postpone operations or whatever. But at exactly the same moment
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when these curves goes up the other curves goes down and die about the same amount. And
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with the reverse of these two lines curves are almost complete mirror images. And you
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see that the total number of the ICU bed occupancy stays basically the same. You always have
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a little bit of hump in the flu season in the winter because then there are acute respiratory
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infections and the most serious cases must be mechanically intubated and mechanically
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ventilated in the ICUs. We see also that we also always had huge spare beds. Here we see
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the total amount of ICU beds. They were increased to more than 1,500 and during the alleged
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pandemic of the century they were reduced. But there were always huge spare beds. So
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there was never any overcrowding of the ICU. So this is really a picture paints a thousand
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words. This is the first proof I already mentioned in summer 2020 and nobody ever should give
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me another explanation for this curve. If you want to explain it in another way you
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must state that you are probably God for every patient that arrives in the ICU here he postpones
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a myocardial infarction, a car accident or whatever. But I think this is highly unlikely.
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I think this is really great and such graphs exist for every country. At the same time
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they explain why there was no overcrowding in any country. For example, in Germany there
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are about three times more ICU beds per capita than in Switzerland. Whereas in Sweden there
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are only about half as many per capita as in Switzerland. So if we Swiss are maybe at
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the limit in Germany they would have had enormous reserves while in Sweden they would have had
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overcrowding of the ICU. But in no country we saw this. So this was mainly a RT-PCR testing
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pandemic. And for people who do not believe that this really exists I recommend an article
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that was published in the New York Times in 2007 under the title Faith in Quick Test Leads
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to Epidemic That Wasn't. There they describe an alleged whooping cough epidemic in New
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Hampshire in 2006 where 142 people tested positive also with a nonsense PCR test. And
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then later they found out with bacterial cultures that none actually suffered from pertussis.
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So this was by 100% a PCR testing epidemic. And this is exactly what happened now. It's
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amazing that even in the freedom movement, especially the stars, they never talk about
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this. They are still blathering about the lab leak. Of course this chain of function
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research must be forbidden of course. But I think these rumors about this lab leak mainly
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serve to inflate this comparatively harmless virus into a killer virus with propaganda.
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Basically an endemic of a comparatively harmless cold virus was inflated into a pandemic of
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a killer virus with PR and PCR. And it's always a good idea to walk in the shoes of the adversary.
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If I was a psychopath who should plan such this pandemic? If I was not suicidal I would
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not release a killer virus that could hurt or even kill myself. I would of course choose
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a comparatively harmless virus or even no virus and inflate it into a killer virus with
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PR and PCR. And this is exactly what they did. And what threatens of course that the
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WHO does again at will if the modifications of the IHRs and the pandemic agreement are
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accepted and ratified in our countries. So it is of utmost importance that we bombard
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our parliamentarians with this information that they realize what's at stake. So this
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to the RT-PCR testing pandemic. The other part is insane as well of course. In 2020
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they came up with the idea of course that we can only overcome this pandemic with a
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vaccine. The idea to end the pandemic with a vaccine starts long before this modified
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RNA and DNA platform. It starts with the vaccination itself. There is no need to vaccinate against
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this comparatively harmless virus. Then we cannot effectively vaccinate against the respiratory
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virus. At least not reduce infection or transmission because the antibodies are in the blood, not
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on the mucosa of the airways. The best we can hope with a vaccine against the respiratory
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virus is to somewhat reduce generalized disease caused by viremia if the virus becomes more
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spread in the whole body. Then we cannot effectively vaccinate against the permanently
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mutating virus like coronaviruses because the vaccine always lags behind its variants
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of course. Especially if you choose only one epitope. Natural immunity of course is always
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better than the best vaccine. I explain this to lay people like this. Let's say my face
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is a virus. I infect you. Then your immune system takes a picture of my face and stores
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it. If I come around again next season mutated, so let's say with a broken nose, your immune
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system still recognizes my face also with a broken nose. But if your immune system only
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takes a picture of my nose, only one epitope, and I come around next season with a broken
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nose, it will not recognize me again. Then of course even if there was a pandemic, of
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course you cannot end a testing pandemic with a vaccine. You can only end a testing pandemic
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by ending testing. But even if it was a pandemic, you cannot end a pandemic with a vaccine because
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a pandemic ends after three months with everybody either immune or dead, while the development
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and testing for safety and efficacy of a vaccine lasts ten years. So already this was intellectually
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absurd. Then of course to choose the modified RNA and DNA platform was the apex of incidence.
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I mean it starts with the unknown dose. We inject the construction plan for the production
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of a protein foreign to the body, a prodrug, without having any control over which cells
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produce it, in what amount, and for how long. There was a guy in the 16th century called
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Paracelsus who said it's the dose that makes a poison or not a poison. So already because
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the individually produced effective dose of the spike protein was unknown, these vaccines
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could never have been approved of course. And then the problem, I mean when I heard
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of this new platform, the first thing I did was to look for the receptor on these LNPs,
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the lipid nanoparticles, who makes them enter only the muscle cells. But I didn't find this
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receptor. These were deliberately chosen so that this mRNA could be inserted in any cell,
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even across the blood brain and the placental barrier, so even be introduced into the brain
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cells and in the cells of the embryos and fetuses. And this of course was deliberate.
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This was intention to harm. There is no doubt about that, no doubt at all. If of course
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the basic flaw of this whole platform, this is important that the people understand, it
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is not only these SARS-CoV-2 gene transfections that are flawed, it's the whole modified RNA
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and DNA platform that is basically flawed, because the main toxicity comes from the auto-immune
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attack of our immune system against the foreign antigen expressing and then presenting cells.
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Our white blood cells are policing around, they see these cells carrying, presenting
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a foreign protein, they think this is an alien, and they attack it. Of course the lipid nanoparticles
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are themselves toxic. The spike itself is toxic. But if the lipid nanoparticles would
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be the main toxicity came from the lipid nanoparticles, with every dose the toxicity would increase
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more or less linearly. If the spike was, the main toxicity came from the spike, the toxicity
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would highly likely go even down with every shot, because there are more and more neutralizing
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antibodies. But as we know, especially from the Neuron course work, we know that the toxicity
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increases exponentially with every shot and with each. And this can only be explained
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by this auto-immune attack. The immune system gets trained again and again with every shot,
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so it becomes ever better in attacking and destroying those cells. So I'm convinced
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that the main toxicity comes from this auto-immune attack. And this is the basic thing of the
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whole platform. The basic thing is to coerce our body cells to produce and then present
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a protein foreign to the body. This is completely different than gene therapy where you want
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to make a cell, for example, to produce insulin or whatever, a protein from our body. This
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is no problem. But there the problem is that they produce a foreign protein. So this is
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important. The people have to refuse all modified RNA and DNA vaccines. This is especially
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important because their production is cheap and rapid, so the pharmaceutical industry
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wants to transfer all vaccines on this platform. So this is the reason why this message has
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to spread. And then, of course, the dosage is much too high. Obviously, if the dose,
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if the injections would stay in the muscle, muscle cells can regenerate. So this auto-immune
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attack would be no problem. This might work. But as I said, they enter any body cell. And
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then the dosage is high. Obviously, with physiological dosages, they could not get
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a good immune response. So the dosage is horrendous. And then, of course, the lipid normal particles
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itself is toxic, the spike is toxic, and the apex of it, the insanity is what Kevin McKernan
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was the first to found the contamination with functional plasmid DNA from the manufacturing
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process. So yeah, the idea to vaccinate against this virus was insane. Use this modified RNA
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and DNA platform was the apex of insanity. So these are the two basic things everybody
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has to understand. Now, once we have realized it is not about medicine, it is not about
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science, what is this thing about? I think we can debate about this in the Q&A maybe
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later. I guess everybody who is present here understands. If you ask me, it is the final
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battle of evil versus good. For the first time in history, the battle of evil versus
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good, the ruling psychopaths, or maybe we could better call them severe maligno-gnosyists
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that always ruled us. In ancient times, they were wearing crowns. Nowadays, they are multi-billionaires.
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For the first time in human history, they have the technical means to totally control
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and enslave us. I am absolutely sure this is the aim of this whole agenda. There is
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also a spiritual area of course. If you are good people, you have to stand up against
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this, if not for ourselves, then of course for life, for our children and grandchildren.
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Maybe I end here and I am ready to take any questions, of course, hard questions of course.
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Very good. Thomas, wonderful. I have been a professional speaker for 31 years after
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my legal career. What you have done is to honestly share your experience with the world
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there, your perspective, and each one of us has a perspective. That is the value of
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human beings and your analogies to explain complex ideas. That is what excellent educators
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do. I learned a long time ago that if somebody does not understand me, that is my fault,
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not their fault. That is because I have explained it badly. You have given us a great example
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of explaining things well to those who do not speak particular languages. I think it
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is a lesson of being open to hear other experts give different explanations of what is going
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on. I found it wonderful because in my life I am always looking for great ways to explain
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other ideas. You did that beautifully. Thank you so much for your honesty around that.
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I have a million questions, but as you know, Stephen goes first on the questions. Stephen,
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are you ready to go for the first 15 minutes? Where are you?
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Yes, sorry. I did not have my video on. I thought I had it anyway.
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Thomas, that was really great. I agree with Charles. It was a brilliant exposition by
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a medical doctor in terms which the public could understand. I think what is special
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about it is to explain things so clearly as you have just done and in a second language.
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It is not your first language, English. I know how difficult that is because I have
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learned Swedish. I have worked in Sweden as a doctor. It is really difficult to operate
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in a second language. I think the reason that what you did shows great empathy. You have
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put yourself without realising it in the position of all the people who did not understand medicine
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and you have made it simple. It is easy to understand. I think they might struggle with
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concepts, but the thing that cries out to me, Thomas, first of all, I would like to
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say that I have been for a long time. I am really shocked about what happened. I was
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shocked in 2020 and I am still shocked now. Not quite about the same things, but about
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the totality of the nonsense that is being put about. It does seem to me that you said
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this is the greatest attack on human beings ever. I think you did. It does seem to me
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that progress has not served as well, technological progress, because more or less in the birthplace
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of technology, we have fallen at the first hurdle. We cannot regulate stuff like computers.
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So if we do not know how the damn computers work, how on earth are we going to regulate
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them? That means that humanity is going to be constantly in peril. I just wonder whether
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you have thought of that. Also, I wanted to ask you about, so I do think that one of the
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features of the last four years was rampant psychological torture. It needs to be called
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out. They reduced people to a state of Stockholm syndrome. So yes, PCR test pandemic, whatever
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you want to call it. There was no pandemic in my opinion. In addition to that, these
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quite inappropriate shots, so-called vaccinations, which were not vaccinations, they said they
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were safe and effective. It turns out that they never tested for safety and they never
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tested for efficacy. So crazy. We knew that all along, of course. I am just shocked about
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the mess that we are in. I really think that people think that blindly that they must support
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computers, because it is progress. But if we cannot manage them, if we cannot manage
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computers, we need to get rid of them. We need to get rid of them. No matter all the
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things that we think are good about computers, like learning for ourselves about anything
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we want to learn about. We have to bin that if the dangers are greater than the benefits.
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And I just wonder whether you have thought about that, Thomas? If you haven't, it doesn't
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matter. We can talk about other things.
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Yes, of course, I fully agree. I mean, this hype about artificial intelligence, I mean,
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I always say who is seeking for artificial intelligence? Of course, the ones who have
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no natural intelligence. And we saw during, we realized during the last four years that
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the natural intelligence is dying out. I think one of our main problems nowadays is this
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over-specialization. I mean, I said, if I told an infectious disease, hey, look, look
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at this PCR test. This PCR test does not prove an infection. Then he answered, oh, I don't
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know anything about PCR. Ask the PCR guy. And then I tell the PCR guy, hey, this test
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does not prove an infection. He said, oh, I don't understand anything about infection.
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Ask the infectious disease. This is the problem. I think the guys like you, Stephen, and like
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me, with a broad education, broad experience, who could still see the forest, we are dying
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out. I always say we have supers. We have a specialist for every leaf, any leaflet of
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every tree. But the guys who see the forest are dying out. And we see it in all society.
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It's the same with this diamond nonsense scam. CO2 is a poison. Come on. CO2 is the elixir
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of life. Decarbonization is dehumanization. It's a death cult. It's amazing how they
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manage to brainwash the public with this. I like the allegory of Plato's cave. I always
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explain it like this. Most people are sitting in Plato's cave and on the walls, they are
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no longer the projected shadows of the symbols. But there is a huge flat screen. And our legacy
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media, our project, virtual realities on this flat screen, about 9-11 CO2 scam, pandemic
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scam. Of course, there was no pandemic. It is a testing pandemic. The test makes the
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appearance that there is a pandemic. But I fully agree. There was no pandemic, of course.
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So the people are living in this Plato's cave. And it is our duty to show the people,
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hey, there is the exit. There is the exit. You can leave this cave outside. The sun is
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shining. Most people are great people, kind people, nice people. Leave this damn Plato's
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cave with these virtual realities. Because if we live in these virtual realities, we
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have to collide with reality once. And this might even be the end of our species with
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atomic war or whatever.
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Absolutely. We look as though we are well on the way after, what is it, like 50 years
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of the kind of technology that we are talking about. And it is only 100 years ago or so
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since the motor car first came to the world. And people think it has always been here.
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And they need to be educated. But the other thing is we have got mind control to contend
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with. So we had Jason Kristoff talk to us. We have had him talk to us before. And he
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was talking about mind control. And it seemed to me while he was talking, and I think I
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said it, I meant to say it anyway, that if this level of mind control has gone on, then
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to solve the problems that we face, we need to first of all deal with the mind control.
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Yeah. So anyway, I agree with you, Thomas. I previously said what you said about over
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specialisation. It is extremely dangerous to have people who are super specialised,
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who don't have any idea about the whole which they are dealing with. So in other words,
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the hyper specialisation in medicine was always going to create a tyranny. Now, if you want
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to commit a crime, you give people bits of the crime to do, but you don't tell them about
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the whole crime. You just give them a little bit of it. So do you understand what it is?
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So that is exactly what has happened. So they have encouraged super specialisation. They
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have taken away common sense. Everything has to be worked out so that the computer can
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sort it out, so you can apply for your passport online. It is all about convenience, allegedly,
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but unfortunately people are losing their freedom by doing everything online and they
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don't realise it. It is about time that they understood this and we need to explain it,
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but I don't know what we do about the mind control.
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I think one important aspect is this. I can explain the climate scan or the Covid scan
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for an hour and then I usually get the answer. Yeah, well, it sounds somewhat reasonable,
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but I refuse to believe it. I refuse to believe that such evil people do exist. This is also
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important. So we have to educate them also about the power structure of society. What
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I call psychopaths or severe malignant narcissists. Nowadays, we are at the height of the age
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of narcissism. It started in the 1970s or so. Of course, at the height of narcissism,
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almost all power positions are occupied by severe narcissists. Many of them are not malignant,
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they are okay, but they are ignorant, arrogant. They have no slightest idea what they are
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talking about, but at the same time they think they are geniuses. And this, of course, arrogance,
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and power is a combustible mixture that someday had to blow up in our faces.
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The people above them, these are the real psychopaths, the multi-billionaires and the
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multi-trillionaires behind them. The multi-trillionaires are not even public. And
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of course, they can manipulate them easily. Look at our politicians. These are the most stupid
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people I've ever seen. It's incredible. It's incredible. If you look at Boris Johnson,
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for example, he looks like a clown. It's insane. It's completely insane.
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He is a clown, Charles. He is a clown.
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Yeah, sure. Yeah.
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The narcissism which you talk about, I've also thought about that and I've also spoken,
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but it's hard to keep all these things in your head. So thank you for reminding me about
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narcissism. Yeah. And that is encouraged by mobile phones and social media. So the twin
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addictions of mobile phones and social media, these are really deadly addictions. If they were
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addictions to anything else, they would grab attention worldwide. But oh no, we're talking
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about CO2, which they don't seem to understand. Life needs.
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It's just absolutely crazy. And to us, it's like we're constantly being gaslighted.
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You know, so I recognize myself in your words, Thomas. We've never met. You're Swiss and I'm
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British. But I just recognize myself in your disbelief of what's unfolding before us and this
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unbelievable lack of wisdom. Yes. Gaslighting, of course, is the main technique
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that the psychopaths use to manipulate us. If you explain this to the public, they come out,
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you're a crazy conspiracy theorist. Why? Why? They present their agenda on their home
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pages. On the home page of the UN, you can read agenda 23. On the home page of the World Economic
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Forum, you can read the great reset. On the home page of the WHO, you can read one half.
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This all is basically the same. And in the end, it's fascism. This is what we also have to realize.
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I mean, this is this merger. What is the definition of fascism? It's the merger of
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corporate and state power. This is exactly what we see nowadays. But of course, if they call it
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public-private partnership, this simply sounds better than fascism. They say it's fascism under
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the term public-private partnership. It's fascism. We have to stand up against fascism. They call us
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Nazis, neo-Nazis. But in reality, of course, everything is topsy turvy. They are the fascists.
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This is important. In the end, we must realize public-private partnership is fascism.
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Yes, exactly. This alone is enough. Thomas, that's brilliant. So, yeah, public-private
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partnership. So anybody looking at that might be encouraged to think, and they do think, I think,
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that you've got the best of all possible worlds, you know. You've got all the best of the public
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bit and the private bit. And you get a partnership of the two. And as you say, it's actually the
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definition of fascism and totalitarianism. And so as far as I can see, this pandemic,
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which was not a pandemic, was the Trojan horse. And I think it's the main Trojan horse because it
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induces fear. It was a Trojan horse for totalitarianism. The other Trojan horses are,
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well, the climate change agenda and all that nonsense. And then the wars around the world,
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which make no sense, you know, like Iraq didn't make any sense. You know, well, yeah. And then,
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of course, Ukraine. But the Israel war, it doesn't make any sense, except it seems to certain people
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in the USA and in the UK, I have to say. So I think that some, but there's one thing that I think
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that would work on people at the moment, if we can only get the message out. So they've used
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propaganda on us, constantly repeating slogans. I think we need to have a slogan about there not
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being a pandemic. There was no pandemic. There was no disease COVID-19, in my opinion,
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it was improperly diagnosed. So any doctor in the world should have known and you did know Thomas,
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and so did I. But yeah, I was I was disbelieving. I knew straight away that it was a fraud.
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I don't know why, but I just knew. And any doctor in the world should have known that you do not
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diagnose a viral illness with a test. Even so previously, I think I'm right in saying,
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very few so called viral illnesses were diagnosed with a test. It was always by clinical medicine.
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Well, guess what? They had a fraudulent test. But as you've explained that very well, but one thing
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you didn't mention, and I think it should be mentioned is that in my opinion, there was no
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COVID-19. It was improperly diagnosed. There wasn't a single symptom which was pathognomonic
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for COVID-19. And therefore it should not have been you should not have been tested for COVID-19.
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And that as far as I know, there are no tests. We didn't diagnose so called viral illnesses with a
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test. So flu, for example, no, you wouldn't or a cold, the common cold. No, you wouldn't. You
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didn't need a test. There were symptoms. And but there were no symptoms in COVID-19,
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which were pathognomonic for COVID-19. And I'm amazed that so many doctors have missed that.
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I fully agree. I mean, I'm somewhat careful. I'm not 100% sure. So I'm careful. I said,
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I'm not sure whether it was by 95, 99 or 100% testing pandemic. But you're right. I mean,
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I have never seen any proof that the virus called SARS-CoV-2 produces a disease called COVID-19.
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And I realized also at the very beginning, I mean, that if you what were the risk factors for COVID,
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it's where the risk factors to die. And what was the mean age of the people who died from COVID?
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It was the mean age to die. So it's really possible that 100%, 100%, every case was just
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mislabelled, mislabelling of all the diagnosis, mainly the flu as the COVID. I fully agree.
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But there's something else, Thomas, which I think is really important. I'd love to know your answer
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to this question. So we agree, you and I agree that there was no pandemic. Now, and I say there's no
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COVID-19 even. But I didn't mean that I'm certain that there's no virus. I do think there's
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possibility that there are no such thing as viruses. But I don't think it's very helpful at
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the moment to go into that. But sorry, what was it? What did I just say then? I've done the
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parenthesis and forgotten what I was going to say. So anyway, what I wanted to say was this,
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the gain of function thing. I think that's a false narrative to encourage people to play into the
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narrative. The other thing that's really important, I think, is the if there was no pandemic this time,
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has there ever been a pandemic? Will there ever be a pandemic in the future? I think not. Because I
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remembered in 2020, that when we were doing medical school, we were told by a single professor
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that deadly pandemics kill the host. So in other words, he was suggesting, I remember asking him,
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does that mean you can't have a pandemic? And he said, you may be right. So that's extremely
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important. So they can't frighten us in the future. They shouldn't be able to frighten us in the
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future. Because our, we should say, Thomas, in my opinion, there is no possibility of a pandemic in
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the future. So stop fearing this damned pandemic, because they are going to bring it up in the
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future, because that's one of their main Trojan horses for totalitarianism. I agree. I mean,
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the problem is that usually people understand under a pandemic, the spreading of a deadly
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disease around the globe. But the people was never told that in 2009, the WHO changed the
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definition of a pandemic by taking out the dangers of the causative germs. So since then,
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they can declare any seasonal flu or cold wave that's going around the globe a pandemic.
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Nowadays, they call it PHEIC, Public Health Emergency of Concern. And if you pronounce it,
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fake, fake. I mean, they are laughing in our faces, guys. They are laughing in our faces.
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They will produce one fake pandemic after the other. I fully agree, Stephen.
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David, that's 20 minutes now.
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Just one last point. So in my opinion, Thomas, we agree that the WHO should go. But I say it's
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not because the WHO is evil, which it is, and Tedros in particular, but all the others for keeping
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quiet. It's because we don't damn well need them. The WHO because pandemics cannot occur.
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It takes away the whole reason for the last four years. And I think that's what we should push on.
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Exactly. This is what I have forgotten. As you're perfectly right, there can never be a pandemic,
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for example, of Ebola. Why? Because we are getting that sick or even dead so rapidly
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that we have not many social contacts before. So it cannot spread. Only a comparatively harmless
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germ can spread globally. Yes, you are perfectly right. In that sense, there cannot really be a
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pandemic of a deadly germ. Yeah, you are absolutely right. And the same professor I mentioned,
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Thomas, he talked about the deadly virus kills its host. Therefore, there can't be a pandemic.
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That was my question to him. He was emphasizing the interplay, the very important interplay between
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transmissibility and virulence. So we had the ridiculous situation in the UK that they were
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gearing up, the government of the UK, outrageously were gearing up to cancel the second Christmas in
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the row in 2021. And they were talking about the Alpha variant. And Chris Witte, the chief medical
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officer of England, no less, a complete idiot, but very evil as well. He was talking about the
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massive transmissibility of the Alpha variant. And I was thinking, well, hang on a minute,
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that doesn't mean anything if you don't mention the virulence. And, you know, any medical doctor
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talking about transmissibility, not mentioning the virulence is a liar. Okay, let's go.
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And then this notion of a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth wave, of course, this is nonsense as
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well. These are seasonal viruses. There was SARS-CoV-219, if it was, if it was, and then there
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comes 2021, 2022. And we are always at least partially immune against the new variants so that
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we do not die, so that we only get the cold and they are not dangerous. We do not talk about the
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300,000th flu wave since Homo sapiens, if there is really Homo sapiens, I doubt it,
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since Homo sapiens came on this planet. It is also an absurdity, a second, third, fourth,
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even Fauci himself proved that in the Spanish flu, most people died from bacterial pneumonia.
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Fauci himself, there is a paper published in 2007 or so by Fauci et al. Yeah, highly likely
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there was never such a pandemic. Thank you, that was brilliant from you. The answers were
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brilliant as well. Thank you so much. And Stephen, Chris Whitty reminds me he went to
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university to become a witch, but he only got halfway through. You can use that.
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He went to university to become a what? A witch. A witch. A witch. Oh, right. Only got halfway
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through. Very good. Okay, all right. On we go to the land of Ireland, Gerry. Thanks, Stephen.
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Gerry, you're muted. There we go. I'm not now. Thomas, I can categorically state that that was a
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fantastically intelligent, a really fantastic, intelligently held handle on the COVID pathogenicity
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hoax. And the reason I can say that with absolute confidence is that my view is that the pandemic
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views exactly. Every word you spoke, like Stephen, were words that could have come out of my Irish
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mouth rather than out of your European mouth. I'm a GP from Ireland who, I'm 12 years older than you,
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and I went through the exact same thought formation in March of 20. I saw the red flags
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and I thought there's absolutely no way are those people dying of respiratory failure.
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Being a GP, I would claim a seniority in a sense that I was on the ground. I was watching the
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people dying and I knew there was no pathogen in my community that could count. There was nobody
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any sicker than there was the previous 40 years of my winter flu experience. And as I say, the
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fact that I could recognise that there was no pathogen there. But I also saw that the authorities,
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the ICGP, the Department of Health were not contradicting the people being shot by a sniper's
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bullet in Wuhan. There's no way was that a respiratory failure, death. And that was the red flag.
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As I said, I'd like to compliment you on thinking like I do. It makes you very, very lucky.
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But what I'd like to ask about, and this is the fantastic thing, I never had the privilege of
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being committed to a mental hospital. Now, as a GP, I have committed quite a number of people
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to mental hospitals. And what we would refer to them as a pink forms, we put them in on pink forms.
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And the remarkable thing, and the thing I want to question about is, you'd be very, very slow,
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you'd be reticent to actually sign that form, because you really did. It was a horrendous thing
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to do. And it was always, you were very, very convinced that the patient was a danger to
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themselves or a danger to others. How the hell did they manage to make out that you were a
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danger to yourself, or that you were a danger to others, or that you were in a manic state,
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you were a man, you just explained that to me how they came up with that diagnosis.
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Yeah, well, I think my case explains nicely what's going on. I mean, I guess we all agree that
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the society was never divided in an amount we see now. And this doesn't happen by accident,
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this always means that a huge part of the society is living in a context of delusion,
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in a cult, in a sect. And of course, everybody says, I am the realist, you, you are the deluded,
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you are the member of a cult or a sect. And in this situation, I always say,
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the first thing we have to do is to question ourselves. And of course, I did this 100 times
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before I went public, am I absolutely sure that I'm the realist and not the deluded?
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And this question we can only answer by looking at the reality as soberly as possible. So this
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is this was my duty, I just presented the reality as I saw it to the public, so that they could
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decide who is here the insane and who is not. Insanity means you do not live in the reality,
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you live in a virtual reality. This is about the definition of insanity. So of course,
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the corona insane declared me to be the corona insane. And of course, the psychiatrist was also
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completely brainwashed. So he had to invent the diagnosis. And of course, I tweeted maybe
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until one o'clock in the morning. But this was not mania. I mean, I maybe I was a somewhat hyperactive
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enlightener, or however you want to call it. But of course, I had this information, I had the urge
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to spread this information, this had to go out. I mean, this was this was endangering the whole
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society, the livelihoods and even the lives of many people. So of course, I felt the urge
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to spread this information. And this, this, he this corona insane psychiatrist thought
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would be a symptom of mania. I mean, for example, if I was at mania, I always worked, I worked before
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this, I worked from the day after I was released. If you really have mania, you cannot work as a
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doctor. And then you will lose all patients very, very rapidly. It's, it's fully I just realized the
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contradiction in my question there. Because in March of 21, I was suspended from the Irish
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Medical Register, because I was a danger to my patients. So as I say, I just contradicted myself
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in the sense that I was deemed a danger to my patients. And that was done with two days notice
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being brought before the Medical Council, and two days notice being brought before the High Court.
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So yes, I can well see how we would be seen as a danger. There's another point that I did, again,
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I'd like to go back on Stephen's idea, you know, this concept of no virus, I think that's a huge,
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massively dangerous area to start going down. We sure as hell don't need that. You know,
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whether there's a virus or whether there isn't a virus, there was a pathogenic hoax. The pathogenicity
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of the virus was lied into existence through propaganda. And then proven as far as they're
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concerned, by a PCR test, it was 95% wrong. So you know, I think that's important. We've got to keep
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that in mind. The other thing is, you know, I'd like to point out those pregnancy tests that you're
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doing on the men, those as a GP, I've done pregnancy tests on men. That sounds crazy.
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And maybe that's a good reason why I should be committed to a mental hospital. But the fact of
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the matter is, in certain testicular cancers, offhand, I think it's a seminoma, you actually
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get HCG being produced by the tumor. So it's oftentimes not a bad idea to do a pregnancy test
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on a man if you find a tumor in the testicles before you even send them off. Because by the
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time they get to the hospital, you look awful smart if you've already diagnosed what the
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histology of the tumor is going to be. So as I say, just bear in mind, any one of those 100 men
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might just have been a seminoma. That's a matter of interest.
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I agree. Intelligent comment. Very intelligent comment.
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Just for future reference. We're talking about the gain of function. JJ Cooey,
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I don't know if you actually watch JJ's broadcast meetings here. But JJ, again,
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this comes into the gain of function. Again, I think the gain of function can be a bit of a
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red herring. And it's important that we don't go down that road on Julie. By the same token,
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there's little doubt as far as I'm concerned that 19 nucleotides were induced into the furin
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cleavage site of the spike protein. And the function of this was to increase infectivity,
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transmissibility. And it was during the development, it was actually patented in 2016.
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And it was during the development of the coronavirus to actually endeavor to get
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better into the cell for cancer therapeutics. I could well believe how they would increase
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the transmissibility or the infectability of the virus without increasing the virulence,
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because you don't know whether your family are going to get it or not. So I would go along
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with the idea that some of these viruses were in fact introduced into key sites like New York and
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that. I don't think they ever got to Selbridge, where I live in Ireland. So what I'm saying is,
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I think we should keep our mind open to the possibility that there was again function
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from the point of view of infectivity. OK, Charles, I've just about finished.
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OK, very good. I agree. I think I'll leave it at that.
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Maybe in some hotspot they released something or they turned on five gene specials.
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Or I don't know. I think so. I think most severe cases we can explain by
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miss and too late diagnosis and mistreatment. I mean, we always saw patients with white lungs
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in the intensive care units. Usually they had bacterial pneumonia that we diagnosed too late
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with multi-organ failure and ARDS and all that stuff. Now imagine what they told the people.
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They told the people, do not go to your GP when you have Covid. Go to your GP when you're healthy
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again. So those secondary bacteria, pneumonia were diagnosed too late. Absolutely. This is probably
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the main reason for many, at least of the severe cases that were then labeled as Covid in the ICU.
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We were told not to examine our patients. We were, as GPs, we were told not to bring the patients
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into our surgeries and do a social distancing. We were told I refuse to do that.
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This was the most amazing for me. This was the most amazing for me to see how our fellow doctors
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shit their pants because of this alleged killer virus. I mean, if there really was a pandemic of
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the killer virus, who would treat the patients? Certainly not the doctors. These cowards would
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obviously be the first to run away. I was saying at that stage that I would, I was screaming at the
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ICGP, my academic body, to actually do post mortems on all patients. I'd be very, very happy to see
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if there were these little blood clots in the alveolar capillaries and that. I would be very,
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very happy at that. And I was saying, it was too dangerous. And I was saying to my patients,
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I will open the patients without wearing a mask for post mortem.
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Okay, come on. We've got to go on. We've got to go on. Come on.
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Okay. Okay. I finished.
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Come on. Thank you. Well done. Well done. One of the issues that, that, you know,
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Thomas, we'll go through the questions, but there is this question, hey, let's have the debate.
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Thomas, you properly say I'm willing to be questioned on anything. On the other hand,
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there are some things, imagine having a debate on whether God exists, you know,
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you know, and, and that, that whole conversation and the same issue. And there's the question of
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the distraction, or is it useful? It's a wonderful question of opinion. And one of the mistakes that
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I think I see happen, that's why we have rules of debate and it's good. The repetition is important.
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We have this conversation here in these meetings. Some people think it's tiresome,
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but you don't have to keep saying the same thing. You know, you put, put an idea out there and people
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think about it. However, however, as I said at the intro, there are 12 at least battle lines
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in this world war that we're in Thomas, you touched on it. We have a spiritual war as well.
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And we can get so distracted on this question of virus or no virus. And those who have a whole
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firm beliefs won't be convinced one way or the other. And in the meantime, we're being killed
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left, right and center. It's like, and the whole question of gain of function. It's like discussing
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the quality of the timber on the deck chairs of the Titanic while the, while the ship's going down.
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So just a question for each of us, you know, to contemplate Rose.
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Hey Thomas, I want to take a step back and give you a little history. Can you hear me?
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Someone's got a lot of background noise that you. I'm sorry. It's me. Yeah. Let me move to a different
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location. So I want to give a little history in the U S regarding the primary care positions,
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because number one, this was intentional to remove the primary care positions and go to
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just specialties. So this has been going on a very long time in the U S intentionally. And I posted
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in the chat, my blog regarding the analogy of the blind Indian parable. So I think we have to be
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very careful in our language that there was an illness and to say that there wasn't COVID.
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I think the problem is, is it was labeled as a respiratory virus and not a desaturation problem.
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Now, whether or not it was specifically from the spike proteins, radiation, whatever, it could have
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been a combination of both, but there were people with severe desaturation issues hitting the
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hospitals. So we can't discount that. So I think we have to be very careful on how we're addressing
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the issue. So my question to you, Thomas is, I did a deep dive because I said, is there a common
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mechanism by which this is affecting the multiple organs? And I jumped on nitric oxide. Some people
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like to call it nitric oxide, nitric oxide. And in doing my deep dive, I came across the PA in
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Colorado who is giving the patients L-Arginine in the ER and then inhaling nitric oxide with the ARDS.
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They were getting better within 24 hours. And he said, Rose, are you aware of the double blind
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placebo study by the Albert Einstein Institute in Italy, where with a placebo giving L-Arginine,
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the patients were getting better and decreasing hospitalization by over 50%.
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So my question to you is, how come there isn't more focus on the nitric oxide angle,
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especially regarding whatever, if you want to say it's the spike protein specifically,
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spike protein with 5G radiation, whatever. Are you seeing any emphasis on this because there
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was so much legitimacy to it with treatment? Well, there was neglect of any treatment,
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as you know. I mean, we were told this is an absolutely new disease. This virus is an alien,
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which was not true. If it was there, it was a member of the well-known coronavirus family.
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So we knew immediately it is seasonal, usually causes a self-limiting disease.
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There is cross-immunity against it, all this stuff. Of course, this is one of the possibilities,
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how you could treat these seriously ill patients from whatever was the causative germ. I agree.
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But is there any focus now that we know? Now we do not see serious cases. There are no more
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serious cases of whatever. No more. But we're not reviewing it. And again,
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I'm looking at, you know, they're going to hit us with something else.
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So how come we're not focusing on that mechanism for what they hit us next with?
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In every hospital, we should do a review of the history of all patients who were severely sick
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and who were killed. We should do a review of all these with the knowledge,
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if our knowledge, of course, and we would find a lot of things. It's hard to...
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I think that needs to be on a radar. And I'm dumbfounded that nobody's created the invention
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for measuring NO. I'm like, you know, we measure oxygen, we measure carbon dioxide,
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but nobody's come up with a good test for measuring nitric oxide.
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This is true.
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All right. So anyways, I wanted to sort that out at you because there were so much immense,
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you know, tangible positive with that. So anyways, it's on your radar. Thank you.
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Sorry. Sorry. Nitrous oxide is laughing gas.
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Nitrous oxide is laughing gas.
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Nitric, Gary, nitric.
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I think she's talking about nitrous oxide.
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No, nitric oxide.
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It's a very subtle answer and we're known for this.
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Yes. So there is a logic to it.
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Well, she used both actually, Charles. So Rose used both nitrous oxide and nitric oxide.
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So that wasn't helpful.
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The last one. Yeah.
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And actually you don't measure for things. If you're a medical doctor,
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you don't measure for things like PO2 and all that nonsense. But anyway, that's taken over as
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well. You look at the patient and you look to see whether the patient is cyanose centrally or otherwise.
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Okay. Thank you. Rose, Janet.
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Oh, thank you. I've got two questions. The first one is, you mentioned that the
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condition of you getting out of the hospital was to agree to take psychotropic drugs under
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supervision. Did you actually take the drugs and how did that affect you? And how did you manage
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to get the treatment stopped? The second question is, I've spoken to some people who have tested
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themselves with a PCR test when suffering from an upper respiratory tract infection and found it
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positive. Then when they recover, the PCR then becomes negative. And I'm just wondering how that
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can be explained. Yeah. Well, of course I know the half life of this drug and they said, so I took,
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I can, I can state it here. I mean, I took two tablets the day before they checked my blood.
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But this was enough that my liver, my liver didn't like this Abilify. This was great. So I
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checked my liver enzymes after three weeks or so. They went up so I could stop it. And at the same
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time, I could free myself from this state psychiatrist control and change to a private
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psychiatrist because of course the health authorities, they wanted that I see a psychiatrist
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once per month who had to report to the health authorities if I'm mentally able to treat patients.
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And this lasted for about a year and then I could end this as well. And legally I couldn't do
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anything. I tried just to get back my weapon. My alleged arm was my weapon. I got in
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1980 when I entered Swiss military service. And when I left Swiss military service as a
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prime lieutenant 15 years ago, I stored it at home. This is usual and legal in Switzerland
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without ammunition. And they found this weapon at home, but this, I could not get back this weapon.
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It cost me about 15,000 Swiss francs for lawyers, for new psychiatric reports and so on and so forth.
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There's absolutely no chance to become right because of course the prosecutors and the
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judges are brainwashed as well. So they think I'm insane, of course. And this PCR test,
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the PCR test with the time, it becomes negative again. I didn't understand the second question.
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Yeah, well, I spoke to a few people, including one very awake doctor actually. And what she was
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saying to me was that she got ill with a upper respiratory tract infection and did a PCR,
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which was positive. And then she waited until she recovered symptomatically, did another PCR,
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and it was negative. And I spoke to other people who found that same thing. And I'm just thinking,
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well, if the PCR is actually unreliable, why is it becoming positive when they're symptomatic
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and negative when they're not symptomatic? Or is it a coincidence?
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It is not completely unreliable. I mean, it is not total nonsense. If a PCR test is done
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good, it is a parcel in the diagnosis, but it never proves an infection. But if, of course,
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if the CT is low, for example, maybe 17, so there is a high amount of this virus on your throat,
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and the symptoms are consistent with this illness, they can be correct, of course.
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Here the problem was, does this Cormann-Rosten test cross-react with many other coronaviruses?
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So, already from this, it was not useful. It is not completely useless, but it's only useful
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in conjunction with other clinical findings, of course.
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Thank you.
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Thanks, Janet. Thank you, Janet. And now we have Benjamin. And Benjamin, have you met my
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alter ego, my bubblehead?
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You like that, Thomas? That says passion on my chest.
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Great, great. Looks great.
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Spot of fun. Thank you, Janet. Benjamin, he calls himself Benjamin, as you know,
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sometimes hands Benjamin, but anyway, Benjamin for ease of thing. Over to you, Benjamin.
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Well, thank you. Yeah, the Hans Benjamin is for written, for signing. It's too long.
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Unfortunately, I was switching on too late, but so we both are Swiss, but we decide to communicate
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in English here. And several aspects, actually. One was about, as you started the discussion
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with gas lighting, and I always wondered, and even some psychiatrists even openly say that,
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oh, actually, you know, that you can consider be deluded, that only actually applies to an
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individual, but not to a collective. Now, the question is, what if a group or a whole society
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1:29:25
becomes deluded and an individual isn't? How do you call that? Of course, we know it's called
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gas lighting, but I mean, it shows that actually it's a very dangerous concept if you don't apply
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these sort of diagnostic criteria only to individuals, but not to whole groups.
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I mean, you certainly have to, and then maybe I may add in this context of what you witnessed,
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because I witnessed something similar, but I was not independent, but in a working environment. And
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it essentially, it forced me down the road of deciding either accepting what they were imposing
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on me with potentially lethal consequences because of heart conditions, and actually, you know,
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giving up the job. And that was pre-COVID. So, I mean, it shows these totalitarian tendencies,
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which are actually inherent and as you described as being fascist,
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and which means the coalescence really of powers, right? Because first case is bundle in Latin.
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So, yeah, so maybe first, and then I have something specific about COVID in Switzerland
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afterwards, maybe, but these are too many questions. Or do you prefer that I ask the
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third questions also? Maybe Charles does. It has to do with the PCR test, which you mentioned. And
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actually, I looked at the data in Switzerland during the late stages. That was end of 2021.
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And then as you may know, Implod, water quality agency in Switzerland, they actually measured the
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viral load in the wastewater and compared it with the positive tests. And so, and they were
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diverging and everybody was wondering what's actually going on. And it was interesting. It
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started to diverge precisely at the date when the vaccinated got tested. So, that was in December,
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and I was suddenly from mainly unvaccinated, suddenly the vaccinated got tested. And sure
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enough, you've got a wave in quote with the tested ones and no wave averaged over the population,
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which actually, in my opinion, was a tremendous proof for actually the inadequacy of the PCR
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test, A and B actually, also of the, however you call that treatment, which people took
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as, you know, called off vaccines. So, I think it was because it really changed over a weekend. It
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was dramatic and I can't show you the data. I think I sent it to Stephen at some point.
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So, yeah. So, these are three questions about, you know, this, how do you assess a group,
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you know, which turns really, you know, when a whole group actually becomes delusioned,
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how you can actually correct for that. B, yes, that these totalitarian tendencies are actually,
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they were established already before COVID that a company has, or a university in this case,
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has such a tremendous power in instrumentalizing medics for their purpose, you know. And then
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finally, this issue about the waste water plants. So, thank you.
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Yes, of course. I mean, the psychopaths managed to impose their psychopathy on the whole society or
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on a huge part of the society. This is what happened. I mean, of course, there is the
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gaslighting happens on an individual level, but also on a societal level. I mean,
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the people who do not understand how the Germans could be deluded by Hitler in the 1930s,
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I hope they understand now what happened. Obviously, the people nowadays, we nowadays
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are not better or worse than the Germans were in the 1930s. We get deluded by the same,
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basically the same psychopaths. Then this waste water testing, this is utter pardon bullshit.
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Well, another proof that there was no pandemic is this. In medical school, at my time, I guess
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it was in the second year, we learned in something called epidemiology for beginners,
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we learned that in the case of an epidemic, the first thing you have to do is to establish a
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cohort, a study cohort that is representative for the society. Maybe in Switzerland, there are
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nine million inhabitants. This will be about 1000 to 2000 people, representative for the populace.
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1:34:24
These you question serially, test serially with a useful test, not with a PCR test, but antibody
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test. Had we done this, we had known already at the end of April that there was no killer virus,
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that most people already were cross-immune, et cetera, et cetera. Even after four years,
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such a study cohort does not exist in any country. Either you believe that in your health
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authorities, in your government, there is nobody with the knowledge of a second year medical
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student, or you must accept that you have been totally fool. Every government knew exactly what
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they did because if not, the first thing they had to do was to establish such a study cohort.
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This is how we diagnose and control the pandemic, not with wastewater testing,
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with PCR. This is utter bullshit. Then of course, they can state, now we have in the wastewater,
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there is PCR against disease, X is positive. This then is enough evidence to start the next
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pandemic. What was the first question?
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It was the add-on between corporate fascism or university fascism was established before COVID.
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All of this could only have happened because the academics were…
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This neoliberal revolution started with the Mont Pelerin Society in 1947,
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again in Switzerland. All evil comes from Switzerland. I'm sorry about this.
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All evil organizations are located in Switzerland. They are granted immunity by our criminal
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government. Then the millionaires took over this MPS and they created hundreds and thousands of
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NGOs and they took over the universities. Of course, you must, in a revolution,
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you start by taking over the universities. What we all learned here is that the so-called
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1:36:50
ordinary people, I have the highest respect for the so-called ordinary people,
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1:36:57
they smell that something is wrong here. While the academicians are the most easy to be deluded. Why?
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1:37:05
They are so narcissistic, they cannot even have the idea to be wrong and not only to be wrong,
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but to be completely wrong. This is the problem. Nowadays, imagine if I was young,
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I could not study. If you study climate science, in the exam you have to write CO2 is a poison
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and blah, blah, blah. If you do not write it, you do not pass the exam. Of course, this
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neoliberal indoctrination started in the universities and then spread it.
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We must realize this is planned over decades or even over centuries.
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Also, most people cannot imagine this, but this is the time horizon of these people.
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I mean, to the last point, I think it's actually accelerating that actually these tendencies have
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been amplified by the funding scheme. I've been on committees deciding what should be funded.
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I mean, sometimes it's breathtaking. You see how your colleagues actually take decisions.
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You keep your mouth open. Because of this feedback loop, you get funding, but for that,
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you need to please those who sit on committees or write reviews, which are those who chat around
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the globe all the time. They are not necessarily the best scientists. It's actually an amplifying
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circle. Then these things can happen. With climate science, you think why is there no open debate?
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Why are people so narrowly focused? If you actually try to follow this document.
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1:38:57
Benjamin, that's beautiful. It's a big deal. Last week, remember, we talked about, I think it was,
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who do we have on the side? Jason. No, before last week, the climate movie was in the chat.
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Wonderful movie. Precisely that point that both of you are talking about. I urge all of you to
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have a look at it. It's entirely correct that if you don't subscribe to the particular
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climate narrative, you will not get grants and you won't pass. If you are particularly
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young, you'd be crazy to, but the experienced scientists that are speaking out, they can't
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now be harmed by the system. We all have to recognise that. That's why this conversation,
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it reminds us to look at the climate movie, 90 minutes or 80 minutes, one hour, 21. It's
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magnificent. I urge you all to watch it. Thank you, Benjamin. Well put. Jim, we're doing well.
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I urge you all to watch it. Thank you, Benjamin. Well put. Jim, we're doing well. We've got 45
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minutes to go. We've got to keep moving. Jim. Thank you very much. Great presentation.
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The issue of whether the COVID does or doesn't exist. Sorry, can you hear me? There you go.
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Yeah. The issue of the spike protein, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in vaccine or virus form.
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Do you agree that that actually exists and they made a vaccine with the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
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1:40:38
and that it has an ACE2 receptor that binds to the ACE2 receptors in our bodies and that it has a
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1:40:48
furon cleavage site and a TMPRSS2 cleavage site and a GP120, which is activated if the furon is
856
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cleaved. Do you believe that that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein exists and that it can itself
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replicate intracellularly?
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I know that I do not. Thank you, Jim, for your question. I do know that I do not know the most
859
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important things. I'm not absolutely sure, but I think, yes, I think this same modified RNA encodes
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the spike protein like it is presented to us. And of course, this is toxic. This is toxic. But
861
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1:41:34
as I said, I don't think that the main toxicity of the gene transfections comes from the spike
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but from this autoimmune attack. But I think for the moment, this is my current belief,
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1:41:48
yes, it's actually belief. I think this modified RNA encodes the spike protein.
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We have the research, we have people like Kevin McKernan, whom I trust. He was also in our group
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of the 22 live scientists who did this external peer review of the common drosten test.
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I think this is true. That there are differences between vials, this is possible. I mean,
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there is also this question about shedding, for example. I think from theoretical considerations,
868
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the delusions would be that this should not be a huge problem if this thing cannot replicate.
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I don't think that the spike can replicate, but what would be possible? They are working on
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self-amplifying modified RNA. And what we, of course, do not know is whether in some vials,
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1:42:46
in some batches, they already tested this. There the counter argument would again be,
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1:42:54
if I was a psychopath, I would create a targeted bio-weapon, not a bio-weapon that is not
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1:43:01
untargeted. So I think this is a huge argument against all this spreading, et cetera. Also that
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chemtrails are very toxic or so. They would detoxify themselves, they would harm and kill
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1:43:16
themselves. So from this, of course, it is evident also that the virus is not the bio-weapon,
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the bio-weapon, of course, these are the chain transactions. These are directed, targeted. These
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I can avoid. Yes. And the spike protein, it was Albert, remember the eagle who did the
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1:43:39
how bad is my batch, actually showed that it may be the DNA plasmid contaminants that actually make
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the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein within the vaccines, which is very interesting because the mRNA may
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die off after three hours of being thawed. So the plasmids, the DNA plasmids, of course,
881
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1:44:01
don't have to be refrigerated. So that may be a better mechanism of spreading the Jason McClellan
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1:44:06
designed spike protein within the vaccines. And then there's the same, there's the issue of the
883
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1:44:13
spike protein transmitting in exosomes itself as a quote virus or exosome or whatever it is.
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1:44:21
So, and that in itself may be the toxic bio-weapon and it may have some genetic specificity
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built into it. And that may be why we were forbidden to take hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin
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1:44:35
and other things. So does, and, and do you have any opinion upon why we were forbidden?
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If since, so you agree the spike protein exists and that would be a reason
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forbidden to take hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and other medications.
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1:44:49
Is that correct? Or do you have any other reason why we were forbidden to take those?
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There was also a legal reason. I mean, in Switzerland and I guess in every country,
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1:45:02
for one requirement for an emergency use authorization of a new drug is that they are not
892
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1:45:08
other therapeutic options, that there are no other therapeutic options. So if there are other
893
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therapeutic options like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin or whatever, the hurdles to get
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emergency use authorization for these genes transfections would be much, would have been much
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1:45:27
higher. So this, if there is a treatment, if this was generally accepted that there was a
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treatment of this disease, they could never have been, they could not have allowed this,
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authorized these gene transfections. I think this is the main reason. This is the main reason.
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1:45:47
Yeah. So yes. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. Tom the Rodman.
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Okay. Great. Thanks so much for all you've done. And I'm aware that you're in the doctors for COVID
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ethics group. So you've seen a lot of presentations, but, and your cardiologists. So
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I'm not good at this question thing. So I'm going to go through a bunch of questions fast and you
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1:46:19
probably won't remember all of them, but here goes. As the cardiologist, I'm going to go through a
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1:46:27
cardiologist. Have you seen evidence of the arterial or venal damage that we saw by Dr. Arne
904
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1:46:34
Burkhardt from what he described that as being from the actual spike protein, not from the
905
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1:46:44
nucleocapsid of SARS-CoV-2. And then the, what about the white fibrous clots? And is there any news on
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1:46:55
on those and what those are? And then with respect to myocarditis, is there a routine test that can
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determine, I mean, I think there is a dye that shows the, that can distinguish between the
908
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1:47:10
nucleocapsid from SARS-CoV-2 versus the, the JAB spike. But is that something that you routinely
909
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can run or is that really a difficult test? And then maybe just two more questions.
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1:47:27
I think Suchard Bhakdi, he focuses on the, that the response to our innate or complementary immune
911
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1:47:35
system is a big problem. You know, the response in particular to the spike protein, either from
912
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1:47:42
SARS-CoV-2 or from the JAB. And then, and then somewhat similarly, JJ Cooey,
913
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his mantra is that it's not this particular spike protein. It's not all a skein of function work.
914
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It really doesn't matter that much as to what the design is. The problem is the generic
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1:48:06
RNA or DNA transfection process involving the nanolipid protein, that that's where the damage
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1:48:11
is. And that's what we have to focus on. That's what we have to stop because it's their new
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1:48:23
platform for really harming us. And okay, the last question is, and this one's probably more for
918
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biologists, but what, can we figure out what proportion of the damage is caused by the
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spike and what proportion is caused by just the nanolipid transfection? I guess that's
920
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kind of similar to the other question. So yeah, thank you. Great bunch of questions, Tom. Well,
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I tried to answer shortly. Well, the spike itself is thrombogenic by binding to the ACE2
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receptor of the platelets. It activates thrombocytes, thrombocytes aggregation,
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so thrombosformation. But I think that even greater damage comes from the endothelitis,
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1:49:19
inflammation of the vessel wall, the cells that take up the mRNA and DNA, and then express and
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1:49:23
present the spike on their surface and are attacked. These causes endothelial damage and
926
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this also activates clotting. This, of course, is, we predicted this first and foremost through
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Jared Bartley. We predicted this to happen before it happened. Then came the first reports of the
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central cerebral venous thrombosis, sinus thrombosis, etc. And of course, I see some more
929
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myocardial infarctions, for example, in younger patients. But in a specific case, I cannot state
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whether it was caused by the gene transfections or not. Because for this, we should have biopsy
931
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material that we can test. And there, you stated right, Aniburghardt, who was unhappily
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deceased last year. It's very sad. A good friend, he developed the methyl for immunohistochemical,
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1:50:33
finding spike protein and nucleocapsid protein. If you only find the spike, then it's
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probably caused by the vaccine. And if you find the spike and the nucleocapsid, another surface
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1:50:47
protein of the virus, then it's caused by the vaccine. In the blood now, there are tests. You
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can also test for the spike and for nucleocapsid, for example, in the blood. There are special
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laboratories that do more and more tests. There is one, especially in Germany, who does this.
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1:51:05
And the other questions?
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What about the white fibrous clots?
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I guess these huge clots that the embalmers show us, they cannot happen in living humans.
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1:51:34
Of course, this produces clotting. But not that huge clot. These huge clots are not compatible
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1:51:42
with life. If you have such a huge clot in the vein or an artery of the leg that totally obstructs
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1:51:48
the circulation, then you have enormous swelling, enormous pain. This is incompatible with life.
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This huge thrombus formation is just caused by this high precariculable state,
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but then is more pronounced as postmortem. These huge clots are produced postmortem.
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As I mentioned, the spike is toxic, the lipid nanoparticles are toxic. But I'm convinced,
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we, especially Michael Palmer, wrote in our book that I can highly recommend. You can find it on
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1:52:26
the Doctors for COVID Ethics, Doctors for COVID Ethics.org website, free for download.
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1:52:34
About mRNA toxicity, it's now translated into Chinese and Italian as well. I can highly recommend
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this book. There we really make the case that the toxicity comes mainly from the autoimmune
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attack against it and the foreign antigen producing and expressing cells. Maybe this.
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1:52:55
Thank you, Tom. Thanks much. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Excellent questions. Mark.
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1:53:06
Hi, Thomas. Thank you very much for informing people to give your spine a boost. I thought
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1:53:17
that was a very excellent piece of advice. I have two questions. I was recently at a governor's
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meeting at a hospital, and they have decided because they are short on radiologists, that
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1:53:35
they are going to use AI to support the radiology department. My question is, do you see any downside
957
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1:53:41
to the use of the AI to support the radiology department?
958
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1:53:54
Well, I guess in areas like radiology, AI may be helpful. Why not? Of course, I mean, it might see
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something that the AI cannot see. But wait, I mean, we forget all the AI is nonsense. This is a hype.
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1:54:10
This is more and more sophisticated software, but there is never any intelligence in it.
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But I'm quite sure this is one of the few areas where sophisticated software can be helpful,
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of course, by showing things that the AI cannot see. And maybe, you know, in these imaging
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1:54:37
techniques, there is density you can measure, etc. So it can directly indicate this might be
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malignant tumor, this looks benign, things like this. This might be helpful, of course.
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The shortness of radiologists, I hope it does not come from too many radiologists who are
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injected and have serious side effects now.
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Well, that, of course, is something that they haven't disclosed. And the hospital was having
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a shortage of staff, and they had not done an analysis of why people were actually absent.
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1:55:17
Right. And it's very high. My last question is, I'm a blood donor. And when you give blood,
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you have to fill out a very large, long form, right, telling your history, etc.
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The one thing that doesn't appear on the form is have you had the COVID jabs?
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Have you any idea why they would not ask that question?
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I guess in the UK, they ask it now. But they're not completely sure.
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1:55:48
No, no, no, in the UK, they are not asking any questions about being jabbed. They're asking
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all sorts of other things. Well, the notion, of course, was these vaccines are effective and
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safe. And if you ask this, then of course, the people could think, why do they want to know
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whether I'm vaccinated or not? If it's not effective and safe, why should there be any problem?
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So I think this is the main reason. I mean, this would make unsecured people, why do they want to
979
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ask this? Is there something wrong with this vaccine or not?
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Right. But Thomas, what they actually do is the blood donor, let's say the department,
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they make statements on the antibodies that are in the blood. And they make a statement that
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they have found antibodies are very high in people that are blood donors. And they have made a
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statement to say that this is because most blood donors are vaccinated. Now, if they don't ask the
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question, are you vaccinated? They can't make that statement. Yes, but highly likely. I mean,
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if 80% are vaccinated, highly likely about 80% of the blood that is donated is effective. Yeah,
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of course you're right. But this also is a question that comes up often. I mean,
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can I have become problems by receiving blood that are vaccinated? But there also is the delusion
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argument. I mean, for example, if I was vaccinated, I maybe have 50 litres of body water. And of these
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1:57:35
50 litres, I give 500 millilitres, I donate 500 millilitres. So this is a delusion,
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more or less, by a factor of 100. And then these products are processed, stored, etc.
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1:57:54
So even if all this that I donate would survive, the recipient would only get hundreds of doses of
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a vaccine from theoretical considerations. So I don't think that blood recipients are
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really in danger. And especially, the indication for blood reception must be very strict. So only
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in life-threatening situations. In life-threatening situations, the risk-benefit calculation to get
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blood maybe by vaccinated or not is of course on the side to get the blood.
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1:58:33
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. All right, two more. And then Stephen, good work. Anders.
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1:58:44
Yes, hello. I am not a medical doctor, but I've done, let's say, some research the last
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1:58:59
15 months. And I was in the belief that there was a virus. However, during the research,
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1:59:07
I found that was not the case. There was a lot of problems to do research because
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1:59:13
the information we are told, for example, this narrative of this mRNA and this LNP,
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1:59:22
this was supposed to be what is in the jab. But what we do know now is that, well, this LNP,
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1:59:34
they turn out to become hydrogel. There are many different types of polymer, and these are highly
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problematic because part of them are charged, surface-charged positive. That's one issue.
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1:59:51
This has been identified by several scientists, including Dr. Ana Maria Mijajea and also
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2:00:01
the La Quinta Colonna and Robert Young. But much worse is that these jabs contain a lot of
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2:00:10
graphene oxide and a number of different types of nanometals. And it is confirmed that these are
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2:00:20
getting together, becoming crystallized inside the hydrogel. And they are making antennas,
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2:00:31
and they are actually receiving radio signals from not only 4G, 5G, what I believed was the case,
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but also terahertz from the light sources of the LED lamps at home and in the streetlights. And this
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type of radiation is, I thought it was the correlation I found rural and metro. There is
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2:01:00
an enormous excess mortality in the metro where they have the 5G. And you have an enormous,
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2:01:10
well, you have nothing, no excess mortality in upstate New York in, let's say, rural USA for
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2:01:18
80-plus year old people, even they were jabbed. So what seems to be the case is that there is
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magnetic material which reacts to radiation, and old people, they do not use the phones as much as
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2:01:34
younger people. And this is a huge concern. And it seems to be that this is not just what I initially
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thought it is about 5G, 4G radiation, but there is a huge damage coming into the body from the
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terahertz radiation, from non, very intrusive light energies. And when I started to look at this with
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some other people recently, we'd come across, I'm not sure you know about, I think it was
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2:02:14
about Barry Trower. He's a 5G military expert in the UK, in Bristol. And he was interviewed by
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2:02:23
Rainer Fulmisch. So there is a lot of knowledge about bio, about radiation in order to make
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2:02:31
mind control. And this has been known, but now we also see that it is likely that the terahertz
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frequencies have been used for mind control. And this is an area which almost nobody has any skills
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2:02:48
because this is hidden or very few people look into it. So I just wonder if you have considered
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2:02:57
that, let's say, there was not a virus, there was radiation, that's one. Second, this radiation was
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not just for the 4G, 5G. I have data for Switzerland. I have data for USA, Canada, Norway,
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Sweden, UK. There is an extreme correlation to the radiation. And there is actually an excess
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2:03:24
mortality in the elderly in Switzerland in March, April 2020, in USA, in California, in Canada.
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But it is following, let's say, the launch of 5G. But what we see now is that this launch of
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these terahertz LED lamps and streetlights, they may have a much worse effect. And we don't really
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2:03:51
know everything there because this is something people need to look into it. But to me, this seems
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to be a big red flag. Have you been thinking about that this might be something to look into?
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Thank you, Anders. I fully agree that EMF is not healthy. Of course, this is not healthy.
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And what I can say is that I never got attacked as strongly as when I mentioned that there is a
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2:04:23
strong correlation between 5G antennas and severe COVID cases. I mentioned that in the start. And
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2:04:29
there was also a study from Barcelona who showed this. But this, of course, does not prove causation.
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Correlation does not prove causation. It might be a hint for causation. This correlation might
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only be because of course the 5G, this bandwidth is of course also an important part of this
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2:04:51
control and surveillance network. They need this huge bandwidth. And they especially need
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Elon Musk's satellites so that the whole world is covered. And every human being will one day be
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2:05:06
either via smartphone or neural link directly connected to the artificial clouds of the
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2:05:16
powers that be. Yeah, so well there I'm not sure whether there, I said before maybe in some
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hotspots they released something or maybe they even turned on 5G in a certain specification or
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so. I don't know. I'm not sure. What I do not find helpful and what divides us again,
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like the theory, like the debate about the theory are there viruses or not, is this
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2:05:42
stuff about graphene and the like. I mean, I looked into this and I did not find any evidence,
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I did not find 100% evidence that there is graphene. I looked at this Compro experiment
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with Raman laser. He said to have found graphene. But if you look at this study,
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if this method works like this, you target the laser on the object and usually you burn this
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laser for milliseconds and he burned it for about 40 seconds. So basically he fried what he had under
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what he wanted to examine and there was sugar of course and carbon. And this method might have
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produced graphene. I'm not totally sure, but I have not seen any convincing report for the presence
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of graphene in it. And again, this divides us. I mean, it's the same in 9-11, there are the planers
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and the no-planers. And they have a huge war between them. But the only thing that they agree
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that of course this nonsense narrative that on 9-11 20 Muslims armed with box cutters overcame
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the USA and the laws of nature is nonsense. And that an investigation that deserves the name
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investigation is needed. This is enough in the 9-11 story. And here in the currently accepted
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belief system, scientifically belief system, what we know by evidence, this is enough by 1,000 times
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to destroy this whole narrative. So I'm very sceptic about this graphene. But it is also possible that
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some vials there was something different. This I cannot rule out of course. Thank you Anders.
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This is my personal opinion. Thank you Anders. This is a good question, a long question. Anders is
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going to make your question shorter. However, I understand it's always a balance between setting
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the agenda for the question. So I get that. And I honor the work that you're doing. And I think for
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the rest of us, there's different people look at these recordings everybody. Just there's 53
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people online. The maximum number today was 63. But we know a lot of people watch the recordings
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and different people watch different recordings. And for those of you that are here all the time,
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you think it's repetitious, but someone who's only watching this recording, you know, for the
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first time and only heard you Anders for the first time, this might be a crucial piece of data that
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you shared. Same with all of us. So that's the patience that we have to have in these meetings.
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So thank you, Anders. We'll have to keep moving. Because we're going to run out of time. We've got
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Peter, then Stephen, and thank you everybody for all the resources you put into the chat. Peter.
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And by the way, there's another great reference Anders. I don't know if you've seen it.
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And all of you EMRAustralia.com.au. There might be some useful resources there Anders.
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Electromagnetic radiation Australia.com.au. It's been up for some years. A huge amount of research
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by a lady called Lynn McLean. And there might be some stuff there or collaboration Anders that is
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useful for you and for others and Mark's deal as well. Peter. Well, Peter might have gone to sleep
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because he's in South Africa, Thomas. So it's very late for Peter. In fact, he has gone to sleep.
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How about that everybody?
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I guess in South Africa, it's about the same as here. Here it's a quarter past 11.
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No, I think South Africa, that's true. Or maybe it's another hour later. It might be quarter past
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12. All right, Stephen, are you there? Yeah. So, Thomas, so it's great to hear you answering those
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all those questions as good as they were so dutifully. So it's important as you understand
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that, yes, people watching this video, they hear not just a bit of what you think or what you
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thought in the last four years, but as much as possible. So unfortunately, we do have to
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repeat ourselves. And some people on our side don't understand the importance of that. So
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I just wanted to ask you, in your opinion, so you're a medical doctor, Thomas,
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Thomas, and you're a cardiologist specifically, but I think you said in your resume that you
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trained as a virologist and an immunologist, was it?
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Yeah, after finishing medical school, I was not sure whether I should go into research or into
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clinic. So I spent one year in the department for immunology and virology, and I wrote my thesis
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there. Yeah. So I really have more than average knowledge in this field, more than average
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knowledge of a medical doctor. Yeah, maybe this helped me to see the tree. What we also have to
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know, of course, I mean, I took the red pill maybe in 2007 or so. I saw the collapse of World Trade
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Center Building 7. I think this was the moment when many took the red pill. Then, of course,
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I realized the pre-9-11 narrative is nonsense. Then I looked into the climate
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scam and all this, and you go down the rabbit hole, of course. So, of course, we have a huge
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advantage. We must never forget that there are people around that still believe in everything,
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that the legacy media serve them, especially the news. So there is a huge
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difference between the state of knowledge between the people. We must always try to inform the
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people according to their current state of knowledge. In people who still believe in
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everything, if we confront them with the things we are talking about here, they refuse and we
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can never reach them. But there, in such cases, we must spread some doubt. For example, we can show
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for example, there was in the yellow press, there was the title, intensive care units overcrowded.
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And then you post besides this, the official curve of the Federal Office of Public Health,
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where you see, no, no, the occupancy of the ICU units was 75%. And the same paper five years ago
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wrote ICU occupancy only 80%. This is uneconomic. So if you so with something like this, maybe you
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can spread some doubt. I remember when my son realized that the story of Santa Claus was a
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myth. One day, when Santa Claus left, he said, Papa, did Santa Claus not wear the same shoes
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as Uncle Earth had on who left before Santa Claus came in and came back when after Santa Claus had
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left? Like this, like we cannot confront the populace with the whole truth. Everybody has
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to find it out themselves. Yeah. So in view of the frauds that we've been fed, and we've recently
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heard that. So I don't know whether you know Jerome Causse, but he's the co author of the book
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that came out about President Kennedy's assassination. And it seems to be now accepted that we have been
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for 60 years plus fed a load of lies to the people around the world on a very, very important matter.
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But so this was about a so-called medical emergency. But if you remember, we had the swine flu
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pandemic in 2009, and that was proved to be a fraud. And there's a document on the Council of Europe's
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website. I think it's their website, which of course, Council of Europe is part of the
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European Union, one of the, I think, seven institutions. So and that, of course, that was
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the brilliant work of Wolfgang Rudolf, who happened to be a politician at the time, but he was a
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medical doctor. And he understood that the swine flu thing was a fraud. And essentially, he forced
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an investigation into swine flu. And in 2010, there was a report and still up on the internet,
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it's been up since 2020 throughout, it's never been taken down. The report is there saying that
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the swine flu pandemic was a fraud. So why do you think it was that very, very few people, including
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Wolfgang himself, I'm not criticizing Wolfgang, but I'm not criticizing him, but I'm not criticizing
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people, including Wolfgang himself, I'm not criticizing Wolfgang, you know, maybe he wanted
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to live and he knew that it was dangerous for him to say anything further on that. But so we had a
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we had a kind of precedent for a fraud, a pandemic fraud. And there it was in black and white,
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officially, Council of Europe document saying that the swine flu pandemic fraud
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did occur. And it outlined the same people, the same, you know, the pharmaceutical complex,
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and politicians and criticized. And yet, nobody seemed to want to know about this,
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including Wolfgang didn't seem to understand the importance of those a precedent for fraud.
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And nobody paid attention to it. Why do you think that was?
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Yes, I agree. It also reminded me instantly on the swine flu scam in 2009. The problem is there was
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never a public workup in the legacy media, of course. So most people have no idea what was
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going on there. And I think the purpose, this was a kind of blueprint. I guess, as you mentioned,
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some of the perpetrators, Ferguson and Raulston were the same already then. And I think the
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perpetrators at that time learned two things. First, they have to have total control over the
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virus and they have to have total control over the narrative. To have total control over the
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narrative in the legacy media, obviously, they will combine, but you cannot have total control
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over the virus. So they invented this PCR test, who can exist even without the virus to crank up
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and down the case numbers according to the script. Yeah, well, Wolfgang, of course, as you mentioned,
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he almost single handedly destroyed the swine flu scam at that time, at least in Europe.
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Well, I think he mentioned that, didn't he? I'm not sure. Absolutely. I'm not sure.
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He did mention it when I brought it up. I would ask him about it. But I was surprised that he
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himself wasn't highlighting that, you know, but as I said, maybe he feared for his life because,
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you know, he could understand what was going on was very important, but also very scary. And so
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maybe he was thinking, you know, I want to live a bit longer because he looks a happy guy, doesn't he?
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I don't know. You have to ask him. But yes.
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Yeah, well, I did ask him a few times. I never got a direct answer, but that wasn't a criticism.
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I don't know. I also, I already in March or April in Twitter, for example, I posted this Arte
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documentation. There is a good documentation by Arte about an hour about this corona scam,
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the swine flu scam. And I mean, if you look at this, yeah, of course, I mean, everybody must
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realize this was the same scam, basically the same as they did now. I mean, it's the same media hype,
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the corruption of everybody by the pharmaceutical industry, that basically the governments were the
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the department, the selling department, the propaganda department of the pharmaceutical
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industry and so on and so forth. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. So it was very strange to me that that
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wasn't highlighted because it seemed to me that was one of our strongest cards, the past history
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of the pandemics, you know, which I don't think it's possible for pandemics to occur. And by the
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way, I wanted to emphasize that the gain of function thing, I don't think they're capable,
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obviously, of getting around the deadly virus kills its host stuff. So the higher the, the
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deadlier the virus or the more virulent, the less transmissible. So then the damn thing can't,
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can't go around the world. So, so the one is. So if it's deadly, which they want, of course,
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to kill us. Unfortunately, it won't spread because it kills the host and they have problems with
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transmission and people don't seem to understand it. I'm sure you do. So I wanted to ask you also,
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someone suggested that, that I was, I think they were saying that I had said there was no virus.
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I was very careful not to say that. I said there's no pandemic and there was no COVID-19.
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The fact that I said there was no COVID-19 does not mean to say that I deny the existence of all
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viruses. That's a different matter altogether. So you can, you know, I can legitimately.
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Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Yes. I concur with everything. I, as I stated, I'm not 100% sure
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that not 1% or so of the case. Now you're frozen, Thomas.
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He has frozen. He must be getting late at night. Perhaps that was an important point.
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We'll wait patiently for a moment. Usually ends in the person who this happens to
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disappear, which he's just done. He has disappeared. We'll wait for a moment so we can
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say. I'm already not sure what's happened. I dropped out and I'm back.
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You froze. I don't know. So it was particularly important what you were saying. And so they
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switched you off. They canceled you, Thomas. We didn't cancel you. They did. You know, our enemies.
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2:21:00
So I wanted to ask you, so you know about biology and immunology, albeit some time ago,
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but so I heard from a friend of mine in the UK who was an expert on HIV and AIDS,
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and he was active at that time as a nurse, but he was working with a lot of medical doctor
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researchers on HIV and he's extremely perceptive, this guy. His name is Kevin Corbett.
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I recommend him to you. We were talking last summer about, so I knew about the rise of
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virology and virologists, the power of virologists. But then you happen to mention that the influence
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of immunologists have declined since the 80s. And I said, oh, that's really interesting. So at the same
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time as the influence of virologists was rising, the influence of immunologists was declining. Well,
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immunology, as you know, the immunologists who taught me at least were always saying that it
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was a wonderful immune system. So, you know, if you like praising God, you know, for lack of a better
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word. So and the wonders of the human immune system. And but the virus, so the biology,
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it seemed to me, you know, in my simple mind last summer was completely opposed to that. So that's
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the anti-human bit, the virology. And the immunology is the pro-human bit, you know, the emphasizing
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the spirituality, if you like, the wonder of the universe, the wonder of the human immune system,
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the brilliance of it. And the notion in virology that mere human beings, mere human beings can,
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you know, meddle with the immune system and trick it into
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curing their so-called diseases, you know. So I wondered whether it was a necessary
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construct to get rid of the immunologists, to replace them with virologists in order for 2020
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to occur. The same question about epidemiology and the same question about evidence-based medicine
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and the same question about genomics, were these all constructed to make, to allow what happened
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in 2020 to occur? Obviously, it took time, but that's even more evidence of evil. So was it the
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intention of these and super specialization, which you mentioned brilliantly earlier on,
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all these things and the notion that doctors should be beholden to protocols and guidelines?
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So diminishing the autonomy of individual doctors, which we were taught at medical school,
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was the best defense for the patient against evil. Well, not evil, but yes, you know what I mean.
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So in other words, you want a doctor who is autonomous, who's an individual, is autonomous,
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not controlled by the medical establishment in any way. They've got rid of that. Apparently, I didn't
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ever obey any guideline or protocol. I knew there were protocols, but I just ignored them. I always
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did what I thought I would do for my own family. Anyway, Thomas, what do you think?
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I fully agree as always, Stephen. When I wrote my thesis in immunology and virology in the 1980s,
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this was still one department. Virology and immunology, they were one department.
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And somewhat later, they were separated. And since then, I agree, the virologists obviously
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have no idea of immunology. The average medical doctor has not the slightest idea about immunology,
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because as I mentioned, the fundamental duty of our immune system is to recognize non-self and
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to destroy it. This you learn in the first two lectures of immunology for beginners.
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And this is the basic thing of these gene transfections that you choose a foreign antigen,
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a foreign protein. So this must result in this autoimmune attack. This we had known before this
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criminal emergency use authorization. And also, I'm amazed as you, I could not believe how few
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people, experts, virologists realized this. I mean, virologists, these are laboratory doctors.
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Nowadays, they are not even doctors. Most of them are biologists. Epidemiologists as well.
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Most of them are not medical doctors. They are biologists, mathematicians. They are living in the
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same virtual modeled world as climate scientists. Epidemiology and climate science is about the same.
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They are living in a modeled, artificially intelligent virtual world without any natural
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reality that is totally disconnected from reality.
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The problem is not the lack of knowledge. It is the illusion of knowledge. And these guys believe
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they are geniuses, while in reality they are narcissistic village idiots or maybe better urban
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idiots because the people on the countryside are the more intelligent obviously than
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people in the city. Sorry, Stephen. Yeah.
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Charles, why are you interrupting on this? Because it's two and a half hours,
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long speeches. And you know the rule, Stephen, less is more.
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That's why, because I'm the moderator because two and a half, like gosh, you know, there's 47
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people left on the call here, Stephen. We don't have endless time.
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And Charles, I'm not going to have an argument. Thomas, thank you so much for coming on. Very,
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very interesting. And there's another issue that Peter woke up, Peter Underwood.
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We tried to get you to get the question and Stephen, you had another 15, 20 minutes.
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So I'm not being unkind. I'm always kind. I wasn't saying you were, Charles.
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Okay, Peter. Yeah. Thank you, Charles. And thank you, Stephen. I understand your
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enthusiasm because I guess I have woken up now. I think Thomas has already answered the question
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I was going to ask. Do viruses exist? That's something I discussed with Jerry and many others.
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And there's this kind of confusion out there. My sense is that a virus is a
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kind of a genetic stream of something, whether I've read a lot about it and I've never come to a
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conclusion. I wanted to ask Thomas, does he think that viruses are reality? Peter, he has answered
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that. We're not going to go back on that. Watch the recording. Yeah. We've had plenty of
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confusion around that. That's why I put my hand down, Charles.
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Well done. And Thomas, excellent, great insights on various questions. So all of us can learn new
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ways of expressing ideas. That's the value of these meetings. Thank you, Stephen, for organizing.
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Thank you all for being here. Tom Rodman is running, for those of you with endless time,
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you can join Tom on his video group. And Stephen and I will discuss whether or not
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we have an event on Easter Sunday for some people. And this is the last day, Stephen,
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where I started at 7 a.m. next week. Yeah. I started 6 a.m. and the week after when Australian
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Day- 5 a.m. ends, I started 5 a.m. all through winter. So- Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. And Stephen,
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the one thing that Thomas really, Thomas, the one thing you really said that's been really important
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and I've taken note of this, amongst many, or clearly public-private partnerships are fascism,
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but I loved the comment that the quote, billionaires today, the billionaires today
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are the kings of today. That's a lovely metaphor as well. Well, only in their own minds, Charles.
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They're not the kings. Indeed. Very good. All right. Thanks everybody for being here.
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Thank you, Stephen. We need to remember human hubris. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, that's right.
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The psychopathic- Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, everybody, for all you are
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doing. And venceremos. Thank you so much, Thomas. Some of the things that we were discussing,
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I think we need to get out to the public somehow or other. In particular, immunology and
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virology, the interplay between those things and how they've been misused.
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And happy Easter. If you believe in Easter and Greek Easter is two weeks after that. I don't think
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we have many Greeks here, Stephen. But anyway, Greek Easter is two weeks later. And so may you get
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Easter eggs delivered by rabbits. How about that? That's an interesting contemplation, isn't it?
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All right. Have a good time. Great to be with you all. Have a couple of-
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Charles and I aren't always arguing. So very often, especially in his winter, I praise him for his
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sense of duty. Getting up at five o'clock every twice a week.
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Quarter past four, Stephen, twice a week. That's right.
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However, it's given me a new appreciation for the current affairs TV hosts who come onto our
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screens at six a.m. in the morning or seven a.m. in the morning. And many of them get up at three
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a.m. So I'm glad I'm not one of those. And the other is Stephen, the vegetable, the vegetable,
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the far, sorry, the market, the markets, they get up at three a.m. to be at the vegetable,
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fruit and vegetable markets at five a.m. starts. Amazing. Anyway, everybody who needs sleep.
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Lovely to be with you. Happy Easter. Bye for now. Bye, Stephen.
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Excellent, Thomas. Thank you so much.
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Thanks. Bye bye.
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Thanks, everybody. Have a blessed Easter.
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Yeah. Thanks, Daria. They may be in me. Oh, gone now.