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All right, let's get into it.
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Andy Wakefield, superstar, man of courage, welcome.
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I welcome everybody to this Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics.
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I'm Charles Covesse, your moderator from Australia
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where it's 5 a.m. in the morning.
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So it's fun to get up and not need sleep.
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Now, this group, Andy, thank you for being here.
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Thank you for accepting Stephen's invitation to join us.
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Charles, before you get started,
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could we do a quick survey from the last meeting
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that said we'd check on those people
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that submitted to Dr. Fleming?
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Yes, we'll do that.
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We will do that via the chat.
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Everybody who's submitted Richard Fleming's letter,
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can they please put it in the chat?
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That would be an excellent way to do that.
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Thank you, Glenn, for the reminder.
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So Andy, we're having this group,
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and welcome to particularly to,
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we have a number of new visitors here today.
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The professions included here,
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not just doctors and retired doctors,
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they're lawyers and legal strategists, journalists,
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engineers, IT experts like Glenn, writers, researchers,
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investors, nurses, dentists, financiers,
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patent experts, Andy, troublemakers.
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And I think it's fair to say
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that there are not many people here that we know of
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who are on the side of the government narrative.
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So this is about-
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Gamblers, Charles, you forgot gamblers.
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Yes, we've got gamblers, very good.
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So I wear my red jacket
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because I'm Australia's passion provocateur,
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and people here like you, Andy,
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are passionate about certain things.
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We're here in a true spirit of discovery and exploration
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of what humanity needs.
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Most of us understand we're in World War III.
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We go for two and a half hours in this session,
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Andy, you don't have to be here for two and a half hours,
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but if you can be,
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we listen to you for as long as you wanna speak.
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And if we do Q&A and then we're expecting 100, 120 people.
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Stephen, I had to upgrade the account just in case.
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After the two and a half hours,
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Tom Rodman organized the Telegram group, less structured.
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We structured this pretty well, pretty tightly.
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There's no censorship, but we do proper moderation.
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Free speech is crucial here.
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And this is all about the development of science.
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So we're gonna have disagreements.
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We have to come from a caring space.
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If we're caring about humanity,
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well, please, we've gotta care about each other.
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And Kevin, have an open mind through these meetings.
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Many of you are here every twice a week,
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and it's wonderful to see the learning that I get
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and all of us get from this group.
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So Andy, that's what we're about.
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Stephen started this in the middle of last year,
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and it has been twice a week since.
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So welcome to you, Stephen.
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Do you wanna say anything before Andy gets going?
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And I'm not gonna introduce you, Andy,
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because we wanna know who you are.
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So Andrew, we've understood that it's a war
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and it's not just about science.
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We already knew that it was about medicine,
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but it's about finance, it's about corruption,
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it's about serious crime,
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it's about crimes against humanity and all the rest.
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And we're willing to hear any aspect
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which you can throw light on.
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Right, well, thank you very much.
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It's a great pleasure to be here.
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I'm not quite sure what you want me to do,
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but maybe I should just start and you can shut me up
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if I'm not making any sense.
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Andrew, if you haven't got a presentation prepared
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and you run out of steam,
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we're pretty good at asking questions.
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No, that's fine.
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Although we have got a bit more shy recently,
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I don't know why.
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No, I welcome your question.
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Somebody pointed out that we're a bunch of introverts,
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which probably we are actually on reflection,
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but I hadn't thought of myself as an introvert before,
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but I'm not an extrovert.
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Okay, well, I welcome questions.
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I have, let me start at the beginning.
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I come from a medical family
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that six generations of physicians trained
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at the same medical schools,
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St. Mary's Hospital in London,
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where penicillin was discovered,
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one of its, that and rugby football,
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where it's sort of, well, it excelled at.
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And I was very much a conventional physician.
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What I mean by that is my medical training
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was essentially invested in the art of medicine
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as much as it was in the science.
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And that is listening, the ability to listen
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to the patient or the patient's parents,
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the story they tell,
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and to determine the merits of that story, to explore it,
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investigate it to the best of my ability to rule in
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or rule out their concerns.
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And so that is where I came from.
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It's very, very different from what is described
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as mainstream medicine now,
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which is a very different beast to pharmaceutical.
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an insurance company driven profit, for-profit initiative.
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And it's not something that I recognize.
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However, I graduated in 1981
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and I went on to get my fellowship
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with the Royal College of Surgeons.
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And I became a gastrointestinal surgeon
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with an interest principally in inflammatory bowel disease,
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Crohn's disease, and ulcerative colitis.
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I received a call from a parent,
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a very articulate, intelligent woman
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who was not anti-vaccine in any way.
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She'd taken her child to be vaccinated on time
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and he had regressed immediately.
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He'd suffered a seizure and he'd gone on to regress,
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having been perfectly normal, cognitively.
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He had speech, language interaction with his older sibling.
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All of that had gone.
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as he had this neurodevelopmental decline,
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he had suffered terrible gastrointestinal problems.
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These came out at the same time.
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He was bloating, he was in pain.
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His mother said, I know he's in pain.
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He's lost the ability to speak,
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but I know as his mother, what is wrong with him.
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He was failing to thrive.
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He had all of the cardinal features of a child
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with an inflammatory bowel disease of some sort.
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And so the medical profession to whom his mother had spoken,
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principally child psychiatrists, had dismissed these.
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This is just autism.
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It's to be expected, put him in a home,
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forget about him, move on, have another child.
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That was where autism was at that time.
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And I should say at that time,
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the prevalence was approximately one in 10,000.
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It was so rare that as a medical student,
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we weren't even taught about it.
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We were aware of the word,
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but we've not taught about the syndrome itself.
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And this mother said to me,
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there is also an epidemic of this particular problem,
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regressive autism with gastrointestinal problems.
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And so I took this very, very seriously.
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It was utterly compelling as a story.
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She had no reason to indict the vaccine
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other than that is what happened.
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And it was the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine.
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this vaccine was given in isolation.
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It's not the same as it is in the US now
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where children might receive up to 15 different vaccines
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in the same doctor's visit.
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What there it was an isolated event
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and therefore parents could pinpoint what had happened.
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including professor John Walker Smith,
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who was the world's leading pediatric gastroenterology
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from Sydney, Australia at that time.
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He come to work at Bartholomew's hospital
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and I recruited him to the Royal Free Hospital
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and he bought his team.
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We had this wonderful team of physicians, neurologists,
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gastroenterologists, child psychiatrists.
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And we decided to get to the bottom of this
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because we had a flood of these referrals.
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the case in medicine, the parent was absolutely right.
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When we scope these children by opposite them
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and all of this was done by professor Walker Smith's team
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and they were examined by expert histopathologists.
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These children had an inflammatory bowel disease.
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More importantly, when we treated
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that inflammatory bowel disease
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with the standard medication that you would use
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for Crohn's or colitis, fiber-minosolicidate
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or something like this, and diet,
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gluten, casein exclusion diets,
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there was a dramatic improvement
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not only in the gastrointestinal problems,
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but also in the cognitive issues as well.
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We didn't cure autism, but there was a dramatic effect.
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Children started using words
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that they not used for five years.
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It was really quite extraordinary.
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It was rather like that Lorenzo's oil story.
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And it was relatively unexpected.
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Although we were aware of this gut-brain axis,
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I worked on a liver transplant unit
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and we all know of hepatic encephalopathy
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or encephalopathy, the gut-brain link.
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but this was a, if you like,
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a new expression of that old problem.
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We did not know at that time
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what the interaction between the gut and the brain was.
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Was it inflammation or toxicity?
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Was it allergy?
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What we didn't know,
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but it raised a number of very, very interesting
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and testable hypotheses.
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and professional obligation
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to investigate the vaccine association.
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It is not something we could
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or should have walked away from.
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However, surprisingly,
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my colleagues took me aside one day and said,
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Andy, as pediatricians,
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we cannot be seen to question the safety of MMR vaccine.
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That made absolutely no sense to me at all.
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It wasn't a medical position.
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It wasn't a scientific standpoint.
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It was, what will my colleagues at the Royal College
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think of me if I express concerns about MMR?
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That was unacceptable to me.
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And I made me rather angry.
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The Dean of the medical school took me aside and said,
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if you continue this vaccine safety research,
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it will not be good for your career.
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And he was right in as much, it was not.
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However, I decided that given my training
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and my family history,
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and I had no choice, I don't want to sound heroic.
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This was, these were simple choices.
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I came to a crossroads,
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either work for public health in the pharmaceutical industry
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or I worked for the child sitting across the desk from me
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whose life had been destroyed.
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It was a very simple choice.
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And that's what I did.
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At that time, and I need to explain this
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because all of this is relevant to what's happening today.
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The British government had withdrawn government funding
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for science broadly.
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There was still the medical research council,
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but it was extraordinarily difficult to get funding.
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And as an academic, I was therefore faced with going out
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and raising my own funding
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or simply going back into clinical medicine.
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And what happened was GlaxoSmithKline,
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or SmithKline as they were at the time,
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came to the medical school.
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And we were told as academics that we had to have,
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get into what was called a strategic liaison
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with the pharmaceutical industry.
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That's where the money would come from
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to fund future research, medical research in the UK.
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And the problems with that are tangibly obvious
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that what happened was the Royal Free Hospital
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where I was working at the time
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were entered into a strategic relationship
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where they took some money from GlaxoSmithKline.
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It was pocket change to this company,
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but to academics, it was a great deal of money.
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And that gave GlaxoSmithKline the first option
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on anything that was produced by researchers at the Royal Free
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irrespective of whether the researchers wanted that or not.
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What that gave GlaxoSmithKline is control
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over not only what research was done
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at the Royal Free Hospital, but what research was not done.
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And they did not want vaccine safety research done
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because they were the principal manufacturer
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of the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine
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for Europe and the United Kingdom.
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And that made it very difficult.
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It also became the new Dean of,
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sorry, the new professor of medicine,
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Mark Peppers came to the Royal Free.
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On the proviso that they dismissed me.
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I knew nothing about this at the time.
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He, I did not know, but he had a very close tie with Glaxo
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developing a drug called pentraxin
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for the treatment of dementia.
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And so all of this was going on in the background
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and it was highly commercial
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and it was clearly a challenge to their,
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a conflict of interest for the medical school
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to allow me to pursue this research.
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Now, again, something I state as a matter
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of historical record, not just because it is a matter
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of fact, we now live in a council culture.
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We recognize it.
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You gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen,
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I'm sure have experienced as medical professionals
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and scientists some pushback against what you've been doing.
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At the time, this did not happen.
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At the time, there was me on one side
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and on the other side, there was the World Health Organization,
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UNICEF, the British government, the pharmaceutical industry,
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the CDC, the NIH, the FDA,
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the American Academy of Pediatrics,
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the Royal College of Pediatricians.
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I could go on and on and on.
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I mean, it was not an even fight.
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And I, again, this is simply a matter of historical record.
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It's not a question of poor Andy Wakefield.
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And so there was no, and what happened then
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is that Glaxo took onto their board.
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We published the Lancet paper.
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The Lancet paper I'll come to in a moment,
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but it became somewhat infamous.
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At that time, they then appointed the son
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of James Murdoch to the board of GlaxoSmithKline
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as a non-executive director with the role
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of protecting that company's reputation in the media.
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And I was his target and he came after me in a big way
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and that had a profound impact on my career.
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So all of this was going on,
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largely unknown to me until it literally hit,
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sort of within 24 hours of publication.
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Lancet paper itself was a case report.
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And those amongst you who have published,
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will know that the way in which medical syndromes
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are first described is the finding of a remarkably
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consistent pattern of signs and symptoms,
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unexpected in a group of patients,
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can be as small as three or four patients.
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It can be, I mean, autism was 11, Crohn's disease was 14,
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no controls, you don't know what you're controlling
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against, you are merely reporting the clinical observations
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and the story told to you by your parents
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and what are the parents or the patient
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and your clinical findings.
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They cannot be hypothesis testing studies.
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What they can do is generate hypothesis.
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And what we did was to report in the Lancet paper
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entirely accurately what we had been told by the parents,
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what the general practitioners had reported to us
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and what the clinical findings were on investigation
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at the Royal Free Hospital.
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And then at the end say, this does not prove
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an association between autism and sorry,
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the vaccine and the syndrome described.
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Further work is required.
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That was the conclusion.
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That has been misinterpreted in the media ad infinitum
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to say that we made the claim that the vaccine,
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MMR vaccine causes autism, quite the opposite.
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Didn't matter.
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What was published and what the media wrote
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was entirely different.
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We're now familiar with this.
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This is old hat to people now living in 2022.
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At the time though, it was very sinister
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because the trust in the media,
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the trust in the medical profession,
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the trust in public health service
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was so much greater than it is now.
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So they put a journalist onto me
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who then came after me.
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And really that was, I realized that there was no chance
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of continuing this work in England.
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And so I then came, I suppose, in professional
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and political exile to the United States
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to continue the work.
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One of the interesting things that had happened
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over the years is that because of the position I'd taken,
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people came to me from the pharmaceutical industry
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and from federal agencies like the CDC, like the NIH,
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FDA and said, we have done a terrible thing
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and here is the evidence.
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And so I became a repository for whistleblowers.
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And so ultimately when I no longer worked in medicine
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or medical science, I decided with a long standing interest,
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I decided to become a filmmaker
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and turn these stories into movies
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to actually become the worst enemy
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of those who had perpetrated this situation.
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And all of this was, let me go back briefly.
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When I first questioned MMR vaccine safety,
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I thought I owe it to myself and to them
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and to the authorities to do a thorough analysis
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of every pre-licensing and post-licensing safety study
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of all measles containing vaccines,
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measles, measles rubella, measles mumps rubella,
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measles mumps rubella, chickenpox
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was not available at that time.
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I wrote a 250 page report analyzing these studies
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and I was astonished.
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I thought I must be doing them at a service.
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I must be missing something.
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There must be a proper randomized control,
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deceiver control, clinical trial
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lasting longer than a few weeks.
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There must be, there was, there was nothing at all.
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And this was astonishing to me for a virus like measles
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that was known to produce persistent infection
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and fatal delayed disease.
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The idea that they had limited the safety studies
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to three weeks was unthinkable.
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The fact that they had conducted those studies
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in children in homes for like the,
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like the Carson Fountain Hospital
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for children with severe physical and mental injuries
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like Willowbrook Hospital in Willowbrook State School
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in Staten Island, New York,
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the home for 5,000 children with severe physical
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and mental disabilities.
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This is where the clinical trials were conducted.
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Because these children were expendable.
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It didn't matter whether they lived or died.
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They could be used at the will
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of the pharmaceutical industry.
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And I'll give you one example.
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They, one experiment involved giving children
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oral unprocessed human feces from people with hepatitis B
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to see effectively whether they lived or died
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and if they died, how they died
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because they were expendable.
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And that was in the 1960s.
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So this is not so very long ago
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that this was allowed to happen.
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The last person to conduct research
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in Willowbrook State School before it was shut down
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was Tony Fauci in respect of AIDS treatment.
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Though it's just an interesting historical note
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that can be found in Bobby Kennedy's book,
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The Real Anthony Fauci.
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So as a humanitarian, as much as a physician,
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the more I got into this, the more appalled I became
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at the assumptions that have been made,
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the ethical violations that they seem
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to have permitted themselves for this,
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in this utilitarian quest for some grand scientific payoff.
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It was absolutely astonishing to me.
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And so that was really the background of my story.
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I was accused of scientific fraud.
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I was accused of all kinds of things.
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If anyone has any interest whatsoever
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in examining the facts of that matter,
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then a lawyer by the name of Clifford Miller
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has been pursuing this case like a dog with a bone
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for as long as it's been going on
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and has done an extremely detailed analysis
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of what the British Medical Journal and Brian Deer alleged
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and what actually happened.
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And if there was fraud, undoubtedly,
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and it was entirely on the part of Fiona Godley, Brian Deer
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and the British Medical Journal.
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And I have no hesitation in saying that whatsoever.
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In fact, I tried to sue Brian Deer
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and the British Medical Journal in Travis County, Texas.
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And the reason for doing that
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is not necessary personal exoneration,
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but parents asked me to do so on the basis
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that not to do so, to allow their narrative to stand
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would be to dismiss the parent's story,
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would be to ignore the plight and suffering
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of their children.
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So this is no mean undertaking.
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It's a sort of $3 million venture and hundreds of man hours.
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But the story was utterly compelling.
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Sadly, ultimately, we were denied jurisdiction.
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The case never got to be heard on its merits,
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even though legal precedent was entirely on our side.
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It seems that someone very high up
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did not want this case to see the light of day.
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They didn't want it to see the light of day
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because it emerged in deposition.
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And this is something that happens in America, not in the UK,
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that you get to question your adversaries in advance
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in a meeting of both legal teams.
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Both sides get the opportunity to do that.
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And it became absolutely clear there,
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let me characterize the BMJ's claims.
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They said they had taken the 6 million word transcript
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of the general medical proceedings to fact check
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every one of Brian Deer's allegations of fraud.
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When it came to the deposition,
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what in fact, when we questioned,
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we deposed the deputy editor of the BMJ,
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whose job it was to actually fact check Brian Deer's claims,
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she had gone where he had taken him.
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She wasn't even aware that I had testified.
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My lawyer said to her,
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you are aware that these adversarial proceedings,
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each case, each party gets to present their claim.
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And Andy Wakefield did so.
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He presented his case in what was the longest deposition,
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so the longest testimony in the history
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of the general medical council at that time.
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She said, no, I was not aware of that.
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In other words, she had not read a single word
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of my defense.
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And when that happened, when it became clear
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that the BMJ had actually lied,
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lied not only in public in the British Medical Journal,
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but lied to their own lawyers,
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their lawyer from Texas got up and walked out of the room.
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It was an extremely interesting and dramatic moment.
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And so it became clear.
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And what happened after that is that their lawyers
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went to them and said,
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you either present a new case altogether
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that does not rely on the British,
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on the general medical council transcripts
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and all the facts, or we're out of this.
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You have lied to us.
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And that is exactly what happened.
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They had to then go and almost overnight
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come up with an entirely different affidavit,
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an entirely different story with barely a mention,
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one mention of the general medical council proceedings.
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So they knew that if they went to court,
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they were going to be raked over the coals.
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And so the case was never allowed to go to court.
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And people would say, well, you would say that, wouldn't you?
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Let me ask you one question.
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Why would anyone in their right mind
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want to spend $3 million and all of those,
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everything it took to get this case to where it was going,
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to lay everything out in public,
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all of the facts for people to scrutinize at will
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if they were guilty of fraud?
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You wouldn't do it.
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There'd be no merit whatsoever.
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And that was the case for me.
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But nevermind, this is not about me.
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And that was an extraordinary insight that I gained.
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I suddenly realized that actually this isn't about me at all.
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And I need to get over that.
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I need to forget about that.
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I need to move on.
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There's this about something far, far more important.
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The universe doesn't care what happens to Andy Wakefield,
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but the universe does care what happens
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to the future of this planet and the children of this world.
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And so I went having realized that it was not about me.
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It was about a much bigger issue,
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really about the future of mankind, I think,
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and what medicine is and what it should be.
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And so I felt a great deal better for that
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and was able to approach my work, certainly the filmmaking,
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from an entirely different perspective
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with a much lighter heart and a huge burden
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taken off my shoulders because it's not about me at all.
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It's made, it's dressed up to look like it's about me.
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It's made very personal, but it's not.
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That's just dressing, window dressing.
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So I've now, this brings us, I suppose,
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to one of the films I made.
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And I want to emphasize this because I don't know
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whether people appreciate the significance
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of the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.
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This is highly relevant to where we are today
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in the world with COVID.
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And this act was signed into law by Ronald Reagan, 1986,
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and it was intended to do three things.
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It came about because the pharmaceutical company
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that at that time, Wyeth and Lederle,
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that made the diphtheria tetanus pertussis,
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the old wholesale vaccine, were aware, quite clearly aware,
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in documents that subsequently made it
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into the public domain through our film,
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that their vaccine was causing brain damage and death
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in a very large and unacceptable number of children.
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And they were in the firing line to get sued.
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And so they went to the government and they said,
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presenting false statement, they said,
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we are going to pull out of the vaccine industry
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unless you give us liability protection
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from death and injury caused by our vaccines.
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And if we pull out of the market,
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no one else will make these vaccines.
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Pertussis will come back, Kupinkov will come back,
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children will die, and it'll be your fault.
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How do you feel about that?
588
0:29:18
0:29:22
And politicians, as they do, and as we've seen in COVID panic,
589
0:29:22
0:29:26
they're not biologists, they're not bacteriologists,
590
0:29:26
0:29:27
they know nothing of this.
591
0:29:27
0:29:29
And so they are entirely reliant on those,
592
0:29:29
0:29:31
giving them the information they receive.
593
0:29:31
0:29:36
And they tend to opt for that strategy
594
0:29:36
0:29:38
that protects them as much as anyone else.
595
0:29:38
0:29:42
And so they passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act
596
0:29:42
0:29:43
and it had three intentions.
597
0:29:43
0:29:46
One was to make vaccines safer.
598
0:29:46
0:29:49
Two was to provide compensation to children
599
0:29:49
0:29:51
who had been injured.
600
0:29:51
0:29:55
And three was to give a large measure of liability protection
601
0:29:55
0:29:56
to the pharmaceutical companies,
602
0:29:56
0:29:58
the only exemption being fraud.
603
0:30:00
0:30:03
What happened after that act was passed
604
0:30:03
0:30:06
is that the vaccine companies
605
0:30:06
0:30:08
had the perfect business model.
606
0:30:08
0:30:12
In America, children were required to have their vaccines,
607
0:30:12
0:30:16
vaccines on the recommended CDC schedule to go to school,
608
0:30:16
0:30:19
to go to public school.
609
0:30:20
0:30:24
So they had a mandatory market and they had no liability.
610
0:30:24
0:30:26
They had the perfect business model.
611
0:30:26
0:30:30
All they could do was to make a massive, massive profit.
612
0:30:30
0:30:31
And that's what they did.
613
0:30:31
0:30:33
And the vaccine program expanded
614
0:30:33
0:30:36
and all kinds of new vaccines came onto the market
615
0:30:36
0:30:39
for increasingly specious allegations
616
0:30:39
0:30:44
or allegations of severity, death, disease.
617
0:30:44
0:30:46
People pulled these numbers out of the air
618
0:30:46
0:30:51
in order to justify the introduction of these vaccines.
619
0:30:51
0:30:56
And they made more and more and more and more money.
620
0:30:56
0:30:58
As these vaccines got onto the recommended schedule,
621
0:30:58
0:31:00
they had no liability.
622
0:31:00
0:31:04
They were therefore disincentivized to do safety studies.
623
0:31:04
0:31:07
Why would you undertake safety studies
624
0:31:07
0:31:09
if it threatened your product,
625
0:31:09
0:31:11
if it threatened you getting a license,
626
0:31:11
0:31:14
if you were going to identify an adverse reaction
627
0:31:14
0:31:17
that might stop your product getting to market?
628
0:31:17
0:31:22
And so there was no incentive for them to do safety studies.
629
0:31:22
0:31:25
In fact, there was a disincentive.
630
0:31:25
0:31:28
And so they made an enormous amount of money
631
0:31:28
0:31:29
and they became very, very powerful.
632
0:31:29
0:31:32
And that allowed certain things to happen.
633
0:31:32
0:31:33
And this is why it's relevant to today.
634
0:31:33
0:31:37
They bought medical schools effectively.
635
0:31:37
0:31:39
They started to buy medical training,
636
0:31:39
0:31:40
medical student training.
637
0:31:40
0:31:42
They bought medical journals.
638
0:31:42
0:31:43
They owned the editorial.
639
0:31:43
0:31:46
They bought the media in effect,
640
0:31:46
0:31:47
particularly in this country
641
0:31:47
0:31:50
where there is direct to consumer advertising.
642
0:31:50
0:31:52
That gave them enormous power over the media.
643
0:31:52
0:31:54
And again, over the editorial,
644
0:31:54
0:31:56
what was said and what wasn't said,
645
0:31:56
0:31:58
what was published, what wasn't published.
646
0:31:58
0:32:03
They became essential to politicians getting reelected.
647
0:32:03
0:32:08
And so they could control the political narrative
648
0:32:08
0:32:12
and indeed themselves write policy.
649
0:32:12
0:32:17
They really became extraordinarily powerful
650
0:32:17
0:32:20
through these devices to the point where,
651
0:32:20
0:32:21
and this was a global agenda,
652
0:32:21
0:32:23
not simply confined to the United States,
653
0:32:23
0:32:26
so powerful that it allowed them to do in effect
654
0:32:26
0:32:29
what they have been able to do with COVID vaccine,
655
0:32:29
0:32:34
exploiting the same strategies of fear, of promises,
656
0:32:34
0:32:38
of expectations, of a lot of money,
657
0:32:38
0:32:40
a great deal of money in the right hand.
658
0:32:40
0:32:44
And of course, supported by people like Fauci
659
0:32:44
0:32:48
who are wholehearted advocates of vaccinology.
660
0:32:50
0:32:54
So that film, 1986, The Act,
661
0:32:54
0:32:58
really provides an insight into how this came about,
662
0:32:58
0:33:03
how the pharmaceutical industry became just so powerful.
663
0:33:03
0:33:06
And but, and here's the interesting thing.
664
0:33:06
0:33:08
And I think perhaps on this note,
665
0:33:08
0:33:13
I'll conclude and answer questions to the extent that I can.
666
0:33:13
0:33:16
And that is that when I started out 30 years ago
667
0:33:16
0:33:19
in this field of vaccine safety,
668
0:33:19
0:33:22
there were perhaps a handful of people worldwide
669
0:33:23
0:33:26
who were prepared to talk about this openly in public.
670
0:33:26
0:33:30
And that number is now more than half
671
0:33:30
0:33:33
the world's adult population.
672
0:33:34
0:33:38
And so for those of you who feel that we are losing
673
0:33:38
0:33:42
no, the vaccine industry and public health
674
0:33:42
0:33:45
have been the architects of their own destruction.
675
0:33:45
0:33:49
Their overreach, their greed, their indifference,
676
0:33:49
0:33:54
all of these things have added up to where we are now.
677
0:33:56
0:33:59
But don't be glum, don't be too despondent
678
0:33:59
0:34:01
because we are now the majority.
679
0:34:01
0:34:05
And I was reading the other day that 70% of American adults
680
0:34:05
0:34:08
have either not received the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine
681
0:34:08
0:34:13
or the COVID shot, the second dose or not had the booster.
682
0:34:13
0:34:15
In other words, they're not compliant
683
0:34:15
0:34:16
with the CDC's recommended schedule.
684
0:34:16
0:34:21
So they are in effect anti-vaxxers by the,
685
0:34:21
0:34:23
in the words of the mainstream media.
686
0:34:23
0:34:27
So people are waking up.
687
0:34:27
0:34:30
It has taken an extraordinary series of events
688
0:34:30
0:34:32
for that to happen.
689
0:34:32
0:34:34
Things were very different when there were just a handful
690
0:34:34
0:34:39
of us 30 years ago, but people will come to recognize.
691
0:34:41
0:34:44
I speak to people like Peter McCullough and others.
692
0:34:44
0:34:47
And Peter says when he gets up and talks or did at least,
693
0:34:50
0:34:53
I have concerns about this vaccine, the shot,
694
0:34:54
0:34:57
the childhood vaccine is fine and I'm happy with that.
695
0:34:57
0:35:01
But they've come to, they do not understand the history.
696
0:35:01
0:35:03
And part of my job is to teach them the history
697
0:35:04
0:35:07
that we all came from the same position.
698
0:35:07
0:35:10
I came from having concerns about MMR.
699
0:35:10
0:35:12
Bobby Kennedy came from having concerns
700
0:35:12
0:35:14
about the mercury preservative thimerosol.
701
0:35:14
0:35:17
Chris Exley came from concerns about aluminum.
702
0:35:17
0:35:22
What we all came to understand is that we have no idea
703
0:35:22
0:35:23
what's going on.
704
0:35:23
0:35:26
And as we add these things in, are there quadratic,
705
0:35:26
0:35:30
synergistic interactions that we don't understand?
706
0:35:30
0:35:33
We have made it, it has been made so complicated
707
0:35:33
0:35:35
that it is now impossible to conduct any kind
708
0:35:35
0:35:38
of safety study that gives you the relative safety
709
0:35:38
0:35:42
of a particular vaccine since they're all thrown in together.
710
0:35:42
0:35:46
So we do not understand, but what we do know
711
0:35:46
0:35:49
is that it is incredibly complex
712
0:35:49
0:35:54
and that we have violated the integrity
713
0:35:54
0:35:58
of the body's ability to defend itself, to protect itself
714
0:35:58
0:36:01
and done enormous harm.
715
0:36:01
0:36:05
And when you alter the ecosystem, you do so
716
0:36:05
0:36:07
at a very, very high price.
717
0:36:07
0:36:10
Nature will find a way, life will find a way.
718
0:36:10
0:36:13
There's a wonderful line at the beginning of Jurassic Park,
719
0:36:13
0:36:15
the original Jurassic Park, you may remember
720
0:36:15
0:36:18
when they are in the laboratory and Sam Mendes
721
0:36:18
0:36:19
is looking at an egg hatching and he said,
722
0:36:19
0:36:23
Oh my God, you've bred a velociraptor.
723
0:36:23
0:36:27
And the Asian scientists in the white coat,
724
0:36:27
0:36:30
the man in the white coat, says, Oh, don't worry.
725
0:36:30
0:36:32
They can't reproduce, they're all female.
726
0:36:33
0:36:36
And Sam Goldblum, sorry, Jeff Goldblum steps in
727
0:36:36
0:36:39
as that chaos theory mathematician says,
728
0:36:39
0:36:42
you don't understand, life will find a way
729
0:36:42
0:36:44
and life will find a way.
730
0:36:44
0:36:48
And I do believe that we have an extraordinary capacity
731
0:36:48
0:36:51
to recover, to restore the integrity of mankind,
732
0:36:51
0:36:54
but there is no time to be lost.
733
0:36:54
0:36:56
The damage done, I think this will turn out
734
0:36:56
0:36:58
to be the greatest mistake they ever made
735
0:36:58
0:37:00
on many, many counts.
736
0:37:01
0:37:04
And there's an abundance of evidence that's emerging
737
0:37:04
0:37:05
to suggest that that is the case.
738
0:37:05
0:37:10
But we need to, what you're doing,
739
0:37:13
0:37:15
a group like yours is extremely important,
740
0:37:15
0:37:18
extremely important and it's a growing number.
741
0:37:18
0:37:20
It's a growing number.
742
0:37:20
0:37:25
There are 17,000 similar doctors and scientists
743
0:37:25
0:37:27
as part of just one group in the United States
744
0:37:27
0:37:30
or worldwide who are fighting
745
0:37:30
0:37:31
and that number is growing every day.
746
0:37:31
0:37:34
Sadly, so is the number of people who are killed
747
0:37:34
0:37:38
or injured by these injections.
748
0:37:39
0:37:44
So on that note, which I hope ultimately is not
749
0:37:45
0:37:50
too despondent, I will happily answer questions.
750
0:37:51
0:37:55
Andy, well done, well done, not despondent at all.
751
0:37:55
0:37:59
I've written it down, you know, at the 38 minute mark.
752
0:37:59
0:38:03
We are winning and this group, I assure you,
753
0:38:03
0:38:05
agrees that we'll win.
754
0:38:05
0:38:10
The only question is how many casualties they will be.
755
0:38:10
0:38:13
Traditionally, Andy here, Stephen asked the first questions.
756
0:38:13
0:38:15
We've got 10 hands up, there's no rush.
757
0:38:15
0:38:19
We'd love to have you here as long as you can be here.
758
0:38:19
0:38:22
But Stephen goes first and unpacks the thinking.
759
0:38:22
0:38:24
That's because he started this group
760
0:38:25
0:38:27
and it works well.
761
0:38:27
0:38:28
I'm on the committee of the Australian
762
0:38:28
0:38:32
Vaccination Risk Network and the Vaxxed Bus.
763
0:38:32
0:38:34
Everybody, you all know the movie is called Vaxxed.
764
0:38:34
0:38:36
Well, we've got a bus in Australia
765
0:38:36
0:38:41
with a big Vaxxed, V-A-X-X-E-D across the thing.
766
0:38:41
0:38:46
And what's salutary is Andy was going through that history
767
0:38:46
0:38:50
as Stephen's organizing his questions, Andy,
768
0:38:50
0:38:53
was how you reminded me,
769
0:38:53
0:38:57
and I'm sure all of us, of our learning journey.
770
0:38:57
0:38:59
10 years ago, what I was thinking about vaccines
771
0:38:59
0:39:02
and what many of us were versus now.
772
0:39:02
0:39:07
So it was wonderful to hear that development.
773
0:39:08
0:39:10
I can remember clearly the day when I first heard
774
0:39:10
0:39:15
about the 1986 US Act giving indemnity to big pharma.
775
0:39:16
0:39:19
I thought, wow, who let that through?
776
0:39:19
0:39:23
So anyway, there are lots of questions
777
0:39:23
0:39:24
and lovely to see the hands up.
778
0:39:24
0:39:28
So Stephen Frost, over to you first.
779
0:39:30
0:39:32
Yeah, so Andrew, where are you?
780
0:39:33
0:39:34
He's there.
781
0:39:34
0:39:35
Nice to see you.
782
0:39:35
0:39:37
I'm here, somewhere.
783
0:39:37
0:39:38
Oh, there you are, yes.
784
0:39:38
0:39:39
I'm here.
785
0:39:39
0:39:43
So, well, I think all of us on this group
786
0:39:43
0:39:46
would like to say that we're very sorry
787
0:39:46
0:39:48
about what happened to you,
788
0:39:48
0:39:51
but also very nice that you eventually realized,
789
0:39:51
0:39:54
I know that feeling from my own experience
790
0:39:54
0:39:56
with the Ministry of Defense,
791
0:39:58
0:40:00
nice that you realized in the end
792
0:40:00
0:40:01
that it was not about you,
793
0:40:01
0:40:03
it was about the narrative,
794
0:40:03
0:40:06
their narrative, which they were trying to protect,
795
0:40:06
0:40:08
and you were the threat to it.
796
0:40:09
0:40:11
And so it wasn't personal.
797
0:40:11
0:40:12
I know the feeling though,
798
0:40:12
0:40:14
because that's exactly how I felt with the MOT.
799
0:40:16
0:40:20
And you said about the, you sued them,
800
0:40:20
0:40:23
you were right to sue them, in my opinion,
801
0:40:23
0:40:27
and to allow their narrative to continue
802
0:40:28
0:40:31
was important, as it turns out, for all humanity.
803
0:40:32
0:40:33
But I've written down,
804
0:40:33
0:40:35
but there were so many things that you said today,
805
0:40:35
0:40:39
I wanted to, but there's just too much.
806
0:40:39
0:40:42
But many of us on this call now,
807
0:40:42
0:40:44
who now understand the importance
808
0:40:44
0:40:46
of what you've just transmitted to us,
809
0:40:46
0:40:48
did not understand them.
810
0:40:49
0:40:54
And I think that I speak for all the doctors in this group,
811
0:40:55
0:40:58
who were trying their best for the patients,
812
0:40:58
0:41:01
but they didn't understand what was going on.
813
0:41:01
0:41:05
So this was the backdrop to my training
814
0:41:05
0:41:07
and to many others' training.
815
0:41:07
0:41:10
And the fact that they didn't help you, Andrew,
816
0:41:10
0:41:14
was not because they didn't like you,
817
0:41:15
0:41:16
it was because they didn't know,
818
0:41:16
0:41:18
and they didn't understand.
819
0:41:18
0:41:20
We only understand now,
820
0:41:20
0:41:22
because we've been studying this
821
0:41:22
0:41:24
for a whole year in these meetings,
822
0:41:24
0:41:28
from many sides, not just medicine and science.
823
0:41:28
0:41:32
And so I hope you'll forgive us.
824
0:41:33
0:41:38
And so there are lots of things.
825
0:41:38
0:41:40
I'm absolutely astonished that the BMA
826
0:41:41
0:41:43
continue to write to me,
827
0:41:43
0:41:45
asking me whether I want to rejoin,
828
0:41:45
0:41:47
when I told them when I left,
829
0:41:47
0:41:49
that I was leaving them
830
0:41:49
0:41:54
because they were a bunch of crooks in this situation.
831
0:41:54
0:41:55
And so they continue,
832
0:41:55
0:41:59
and then they have the audacity to lie to their lawyers,
833
0:41:59
0:42:01
to American lawyers representing them.
834
0:42:01
0:42:03
Is that what they did in America?
835
0:42:03
0:42:05
Yes, indeed, yes.
836
0:42:05
0:42:08
And not just a small lie, a massive lie.
837
0:42:08
0:42:13
The whole case was built on a morass of lies.
838
0:42:13
0:42:15
Just extraordinary.
839
0:42:15
0:42:19
And the relevance of your story, Andrew,
840
0:42:19
0:42:21
is just amazing.
841
0:42:21
0:42:24
So swine flu, that was what woke me up.
842
0:42:24
0:42:26
I remembered swine flu.
843
0:42:26
0:42:27
And very early in 2020,
844
0:42:27
0:42:29
I knew exactly what was going on.
845
0:42:29
0:42:30
Well, not the details, of course,
846
0:42:30
0:42:31
I couldn't work it out.
847
0:42:31
0:42:33
It's very confusing.
848
0:42:33
0:42:35
But I knew that there was something terribly wrong,
849
0:42:35
0:42:37
not just for me, but for everyone.
850
0:42:39
0:42:41
And it wasn't just swine flu.
851
0:42:42
0:42:43
It was your story.
852
0:42:43
0:42:46
It was HIV and AIDS.
853
0:42:46
0:42:48
Carey Mullis, you know, his,
854
0:42:48
0:42:50
and the guy he protected,
855
0:42:50
0:42:52
he was a Nobel Prize winner, as you know.
856
0:42:52
0:42:56
And he protected, his name's gone now.
857
0:42:56
0:42:58
Do you remember Peter?
859
0:43:00
0:43:01
Duesberg.
860
0:43:01
0:43:02
Peter Duesberg?
861
0:43:03
0:43:04
Yes, that's right.
862
0:43:04
0:43:06
Because they went for Peter Duesberg,
863
0:43:06
0:43:07
rather than Carey Mullis.
864
0:43:07
0:43:09
I think they were frightened of Carey Mullis,
865
0:43:09
0:43:11
and they had to kill him in the end in 2019,
866
0:43:11
0:43:14
in my opinion, August 2019.
867
0:43:14
0:43:18
Because otherwise the PCR test could not have gone forward.
868
0:43:18
0:43:21
And that was absolutely essential to what they did.
869
0:43:21
0:43:23
But my question to you, Andrew, is this.
870
0:43:25
0:43:29
You said that they got rid of the liability
871
0:43:29
0:43:31
if there was no fraud,
872
0:43:31
0:43:34
but there was massive fraud in this case.
873
0:43:34
0:43:38
So they haven't got rid of the liability.
874
0:43:38
0:43:43
And how did they think that they would get away with this,
875
0:43:43
0:43:45
even when they'd got away with all the stuff
876
0:43:45
0:43:50
that they had got away with, revaccines, in the past,
877
0:43:50
0:43:53
and not just vaccines, we now have to suspect,
878
0:43:53
0:43:54
all the medications,
879
0:43:54
0:43:56
we have to look at all these medications
880
0:43:56
0:43:59
and all the vaccines to make sure
881
0:43:59
0:44:01
that they're safe and effective.
882
0:44:01
0:44:04
Because I'm, as a medical doctor, I don't believe a word.
883
0:44:04
0:44:07
Any of them say, anything that they say now,
884
0:44:07
0:44:09
and that is their biggest mistake, as you say,
885
0:44:09
0:44:12
in the end, they've been flawed
886
0:44:12
0:44:15
or they will be flawed by their own hubris.
887
0:44:16
0:44:17
You're absolutely right.
888
0:44:17
0:44:20
Firstly, let me say that there's nothing to forgive, please.
889
0:44:20
0:44:22
But thank you very much.
890
0:44:23
0:44:26
It's just part of the human,
891
0:44:26
0:44:27
it's part of our learning process.
892
0:44:27
0:44:31
And it was part of mine and it's part of everybody's.
893
0:44:31
0:44:33
And it's a shame that we've had to learn
894
0:44:33
0:44:35
in quite the way we have.
895
0:44:35
0:44:39
And what you have to understand, sorry.
897
0:44:40
0:44:43
What a perfect illustration, Andrew.
898
0:44:43
0:44:46
But you said that you had no doubt, I think,
899
0:44:46
0:44:48
you said that you had to sue.
900
0:44:50
0:44:54
And it just shows that if you don't do these things,
901
0:44:54
0:44:58
if you don't hold people to account at the correct time,
902
0:44:58
0:45:01
they just do it again, only worse next time.
903
0:45:01
0:45:03
You're absolutely right.
904
0:45:03
0:45:07
Accountability is really something that I'm out to achieve
905
0:45:07
0:45:11
in the films I'm making because things that...
906
0:45:11
0:45:14
Firstly, let me talk about the issue of fraud
907
0:45:14
0:45:17
and the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.
908
0:45:17
0:45:21
It will turn out, I'm absolutely certain that within this,
909
0:45:21
0:45:23
and it is turning out that within the context
910
0:45:23
0:45:28
of the COVID narrative, there has been extraordinary fraud.
911
0:45:29
0:45:30
But understand the mindset
912
0:45:30
0:45:34
of the pharmaceutical industry executive.
913
0:45:34
0:45:34
They don't care.
914
0:45:36
0:45:39
They operate on the basis that they want to make
915
0:45:39
0:45:43
as much money in a shorter space of time as possible.
916
0:45:43
0:45:45
They get their bonus and they move on.
917
0:45:45
0:45:48
They're not actually interested in the longevity of Merck
918
0:45:48
0:45:52
or of Pfizer or of any of these other companies.
919
0:45:52
0:45:57
They are interested in making their money and getting out.
920
0:45:57
0:46:01
If down the road, the company faces massive
921
0:46:01
0:46:04
billion dollar litigation, they don't care
922
0:46:04
0:46:05
because they're already out.
923
0:46:05
0:46:09
And so I think Moderna have already yielded
924
0:46:09
0:46:13
five COVID shot billionaires.
925
0:46:13
0:46:16
That's really what drives this whole process.
926
0:46:16
0:46:21
So it's not about the company's survival.
927
0:46:21
0:46:22
They don't care about that.
928
0:46:22
0:46:24
They want to make as much money as possible.
929
0:46:24
0:46:28
So the fraud, the emergence of the fact that there was fraud
930
0:46:28
0:46:31
and the company paying a huge price down the line,
931
0:46:31
0:46:33
that's not their concern.
932
0:46:33
0:46:36
And so then we come to the issue of accountability.
933
0:46:39
0:46:44
William Thompson from the CDC, senior scientist,
934
0:46:44
0:46:47
I went to the CDC when they were still talking to me
935
0:46:47
0:46:51
and they said, look, every child gets MMR.
936
0:46:52
0:46:55
Why doesn't every child develop autism?
937
0:46:55
0:46:55
We don't understand.
938
0:46:55
0:46:57
Well, we know in medicine that you can smoke
939
0:46:57
0:46:59
and not develop lung cancer.
940
0:46:59
0:47:00
That's just a given.
941
0:47:00
0:47:04
We don't know the precise reasons why.
942
0:47:04
0:47:05
Is it a dose response?
943
0:47:05
0:47:06
Is it genetic?
944
0:47:06
0:47:07
Is it a combination of many things?
946
0:47:08
0:47:11
And so I said, well, one of the things
947
0:47:11
0:47:14
that we believe is important is the age of exposure.
948
0:47:14
0:47:17
The younger you get the MMR, the greater the risk
949
0:47:17
0:47:18
of developing autism.
950
0:47:18
0:47:22
We say that because we know that natural exposure
951
0:47:22
0:47:25
to measles under the age of one carries a much higher risk
952
0:47:25
0:47:28
of an adverse outcome than over the age of one.
953
0:47:28
0:47:30
There is an age-related phenomenon.
954
0:47:30
0:47:32
And now with COVID, we are fully aware
955
0:47:32
0:47:37
of this age-related outcome.
956
0:47:37
0:47:41
So they tested that hypothesis in the Atlanta metro area
957
0:47:41
0:47:44
and they found it to be absolutely true.
958
0:47:44
0:47:45
They found it was correct.
959
0:47:45
0:47:47
The younger you got the vaccine, the greater the risk.
960
0:47:47
0:47:51
They spent the next 14 years destroying the documents
961
0:47:51
0:47:53
and covering up the data.
962
0:47:53
0:47:55
William Thompson, the senior scientist
963
0:47:55
0:47:58
who designed the study, collected the data,
964
0:47:58
0:48:00
and analyzed it and wrote the paper,
965
0:48:00
0:48:05
came forward and said, I can't live with this any longer.
966
0:48:05
0:48:08
Here is all of the evidence that I kept.
967
0:48:08
0:48:12
And we were able to make the movie Vax on that basis, which
968
0:48:12
0:48:15
shows beyond a shadow of a doubt the link,
969
0:48:15
0:48:18
the causal association between MMR and autism.
970
0:48:18
0:48:20
But of course, it was completely buried because there
971
0:48:20
0:48:22
was no accountability.
972
0:48:22
0:48:24
We went to the Oversight Committee on Government Reform
973
0:48:24
0:48:28
at the US Congress and we said, your job
974
0:48:28
0:48:31
is to deal with such instances of fraud
975
0:48:31
0:48:33
in the federal agencies.
976
0:48:33
0:48:33
This is your job.
977
0:48:33
0:48:35
You must do it.
978
0:48:35
0:48:37
They wouldn't touch it.
979
0:48:37
0:48:41
They did not want to go anywhere near it because, well,
980
0:48:41
0:48:42
that's a question for them as to why.
981
0:48:42
0:48:46
But I suspect that their campaign funds were highly
982
0:48:46
0:48:49
dependent upon the income from pharmaceutical companies,
983
0:48:49
0:48:51
amongst other things.
984
0:48:51
0:48:53
Also, they were threatened with the idea that, well,
985
0:48:53
0:48:58
if you undermine confidence in public health authorities,
986
0:48:58
0:49:01
parents won't vaccinate their children and children will die
987
0:49:01
0:49:02
and it will be your fault.
988
0:49:02
0:49:05
That same argument was thrown at them again,
989
0:49:05
0:49:10
as was thrown at them with the liability protection issue.
990
0:49:10
0:49:14
So there was no accountability.
991
0:49:14
0:49:19
There was quite clearly fraud and there was no accountability.
992
0:49:19
0:49:21
And so it continued.
993
0:49:21
0:49:23
Not only did it continue, they were
994
0:49:23
0:49:26
incentivized to continue behaving in that way
995
0:49:26
0:49:28
by getting their pensions being paid off,
996
0:49:28
0:49:31
by simply keeping their jobs at the CDC
997
0:49:31
0:49:34
and then receiving a big pension at the end of it.
998
0:49:34
0:49:38
So my filmmaking now is about accountability,
999
0:49:38
0:49:40
whatever the risk that brings.
1000
0:49:40
0:49:45
To me personally, it's about naming names and shaming people
1001
0:49:45
0:49:48
because without that, there is no disincentive
1002
0:49:48
0:49:49
to this kind of behavior.
1003
0:49:49
0:49:52
And people need to go to prison, not least
1004
0:49:52
0:49:54
to which some of the many of the people
1005
0:49:54
0:49:58
have been involved in the COVID issue.
1006
0:49:58
0:50:01
I absolutely agree.
1007
0:50:01
0:50:03
I could go on, but there are 16 hands up.
1008
0:50:03
0:50:06
So Charles?
1009
0:50:06
0:50:07
Yes, thank you.
1010
0:50:08
0:50:10
Thank you, Stephen.
1011
0:50:10
0:50:14
And publicly, John Stone, thank you for enabling Andy
1012
0:50:14
0:50:15
to be here today.
1013
0:50:15
0:50:16
John, well done.
1014
0:50:16
0:50:18
Yes, thank you, John.
1015
0:50:18
0:50:19
So here we go.
1016
0:50:19
0:50:21
Here we go, Andy.
1017
0:50:21
0:50:23
And we've got 16 hands up.
1018
0:50:23
0:50:25
I'm looking forward to this conversation.
1019
0:50:25
0:50:28
It's up to you how long you spend answering each question.
1020
0:50:28
0:50:31
And I'm sure there'll be more, but it's great that you can.
1021
0:50:31
0:50:35
Mark Sexton is first and he is a retired police
1022
0:50:35
0:50:36
officer from the UK.
1023
0:50:36
0:50:38
Thank you very much, Charles.
1024
0:50:38
0:50:41
And good evening to you and Stephen and Dr. Andrew
1025
0:50:41
0:50:41
Wakefield.
1026
0:50:41
0:50:45
It's an absolute pleasure to meet your acquaintance.
1027
0:50:45
0:50:47
What I'm going to do is I'm not going to ask you a question.
1028
0:50:47
0:50:50
I'm just going to spend about a minute going over
1029
0:50:50
0:50:55
what happened to my own child as a result of the MMR vaccine.
1030
0:50:55
0:50:58
And it was because of you and a few of the doctors,
1031
0:50:58
0:51:00
and thank you for what you did.
1032
0:51:00
0:51:02
And well done for bouncing back the way you have,
1033
0:51:02
0:51:04
fully deserved.
1034
0:51:04
0:51:07
My daughter, she was very unlucky when she had the MMR.
1035
0:51:07
0:51:10
Within five years of that, back in the early 2000s,
1036
0:51:10
0:51:14
she contracted a very nasty meningitis,
1037
0:51:14
0:51:16
hospitalized for 10 days.
1038
0:51:16
0:51:21
She had really bad bowel issues, very inflamed, ex-mat, asthma,
1039
0:51:21
0:51:23
and she had behavioral issues.
1040
0:51:23
0:51:26
And I started to do my own research.
1041
0:51:26
0:51:28
I was aware of you at the time and what happened
1042
0:51:28
0:51:31
because my ex-wife was a nurse, a pediatrician,
1043
0:51:31
0:51:35
and I started to do my own investigations and research
1044
0:51:35
0:51:38
and realized she hit the double whammy there,
1045
0:51:38
0:51:41
and she got all five of the very serious side effects
1046
0:51:41
0:51:43
as a result of the MMR.
1047
0:51:43
0:51:46
And I started to realize that these things were dangerous
1048
0:51:46
0:51:48
and they weren't what they were telling us.
1049
0:51:48
0:51:51
And I approached my own GP because of my daughter's
1050
0:51:51
0:51:55
many problems and issues and realized that these things
1051
0:51:55
0:51:57
were so dangerous.
1052
0:51:57
0:52:00
And I started to realize that these things were dangerous.
1053
0:52:00
0:52:03
And I started to actually become quite vocal
1054
0:52:03
0:52:06
amongst my own family and friends in advising them
1055
0:52:06
0:52:08
if their partners were pregnant or their babies were young,
1056
0:52:08
0:52:10
do not take these vaccines.
1057
0:52:10
0:52:14
And I gave them this anecdotal evidence that I had myself
1058
0:52:14
0:52:15
and my own experience.
1059
0:52:15
0:52:18
And it was because of you, and this is a personal thank you
1060
0:52:18
0:52:21
to you, I've always wanted to meet you and speak to you.
1061
0:52:21
0:52:23
You are a hero.
1062
0:52:23
0:52:27
And those people who did vilify you back in the late 90s
1063
0:52:27
0:52:32
and early 2000s, they've got some serious egg on their face.
1064
0:52:32
0:52:35
So from me to you, thank you.
1065
0:52:35
0:52:37
God bless you and well done for what you've done
1066
0:52:37
0:52:40
and well done for bouncing back the way you have.
1067
0:52:40
0:52:42
I've watched all of your films, they're outstanding.
1068
0:52:42
0:52:44
Keep going and thank you.
1069
0:52:44
0:52:46
Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart.
1070
0:52:46
0:52:50
Just to let you know, my daughter is now mid-20s,
1071
0:52:50
0:52:53
a very successful businesswoman.
1072
0:52:54
0:52:58
Her symptoms are limited because we managed to help her
1073
0:52:58
0:53:01
with diet, exercise and the likes.
1074
0:53:01
0:53:05
And she is a wonderful, beautiful human being
1075
0:53:05
0:53:06
doing very well in life.
1076
0:53:06
0:53:07
Thank you very much.
1077
0:53:07
0:53:09
So God bless you.
1078
0:53:09
0:53:10
I'm absolutely delighted.
1079
0:53:10
0:53:10
Thank you so much.
1080
0:53:12
0:53:13
Beautifully said, Mark.
1081
0:53:13
0:53:14
Thank you.
1082
0:53:14
0:53:16
Thank you.
1083
0:53:16
0:53:16
Cordelia.
1084
0:53:19
0:53:20
Hi, yeah.
1085
0:53:20
0:53:24
I've just got two little questions about the BMJ because-
1086
0:53:24
0:53:28
Cordelia, can you tell Dr. Wakefield
1087
0:53:28
0:53:30
that you're a doctor and a pathologist actually?
1088
0:53:30
0:53:32
Yeah, I'm a histopathologist
1089
0:53:32
0:53:36
and I followed your story in the BMJ with great interest
1090
0:53:36
0:53:40
because at the time, the BMJ claimed that you were looking
1091
0:53:40
0:53:43
at colon biopsies yourself,
1092
0:53:43
0:53:46
not having a histopathologist involved
1093
0:53:46
0:53:48
and claiming that there is colitis
1094
0:53:48
0:53:53
when in fact the inflammatory cells
1095
0:53:53
0:53:55
in the large bowel mucosa
1096
0:53:57
0:53:59
as part of the lymphoid system.
1097
0:53:59
0:54:02
So they said you overreported this,
1098
0:54:02
0:54:03
but at the beginning of your talk,
1099
0:54:03
0:54:06
you said you did have a histopathologist involved.
1100
0:54:06
0:54:11
So was that just one of many lies from the BMJ?
1101
0:54:12
0:54:15
Just wondering what your view on that is.
1102
0:54:15
0:54:17
Thank you very much for raising that.
1103
0:54:17
0:54:20
Yeah, see, all of the biopsies were reviewed
1104
0:54:20
0:54:23
by an expert histopathologist, Dr. Paul Dillon.
1105
0:54:23
0:54:27
You may know him and he was on the paper.
1106
0:54:27
0:54:30
I had nothing whatsoever to do with reporting
1107
0:54:30
0:54:33
any of the findings of histopathology
1108
0:54:33
0:54:37
in that paper at all or indeed in any child.
1109
0:54:37
0:54:39
I was not qualified to do that.
1110
0:54:39
0:54:42
I was a surgeon and I took no part in that
1111
0:54:42
0:54:46
other than to join in the pathology meetings
1112
0:54:46
0:54:49
that we would hold every Friday
1113
0:54:49
0:54:52
to review the biopsies from all children
1114
0:54:52
0:54:53
who had been investigated.
1115
0:54:53
0:54:56
So the one thing that I did do was to make sure
1116
0:54:56
0:55:00
that Paul Dillon had available to him
1117
0:55:00
0:55:05
in a blinded fashion biopsies from 10 normal colonic biopsies
1118
0:55:06
0:55:08
from age-matched children
1119
0:55:08
0:55:11
to give a blinded comparison of the two.
1120
0:55:11
0:55:14
And that demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt
1121
0:55:14
0:55:17
that there was inflammation.
1122
0:55:17
0:55:20
We went beyond that and we then went into great detail
1123
0:55:20
0:55:22
to using immunohistochemistry,
1124
0:55:22
0:55:27
immunosidochemistry, immunofluorescence flow cytometry
1125
0:55:30
0:55:33
to characterize, actually quantify the numbers
1126
0:55:33
0:55:35
of inflammatory cells in the bowel,
1127
0:55:35
0:55:40
various types, CD4, CD8, gamma delta T cells, et cetera,
1128
0:55:40
0:55:43
and to look at cytokine profiles.
1129
0:55:43
0:55:44
And doing that, and we published, I think,
1130
0:55:44
0:55:47
about 15, 16 papers on this,
1131
0:55:47
0:55:48
showing beyond a shadow of a doubt
1132
0:55:48
0:55:51
that there was not only histological evidence
1133
0:55:51
0:55:55
of inflammation, but there was immunohistochemical evidence
1134
0:55:55
0:55:58
of increased T cell subsets, for example,
1135
0:55:58
0:56:03
gamma delta T cells, and there was a marked increase,
1136
0:56:03
0:56:06
elevation of tumor necrosis factor alpha
1137
0:56:06
0:56:08
being produced by these cells.
1138
0:56:08
0:56:13
So, yeah, so that's a long way of answering your question,
1139
0:56:14
0:56:17
but I'm sure you'll appreciate the detail,
1140
0:56:17
0:56:20
but no, that was a frank lie.
1141
0:56:20
0:56:21
I had no role whatsoever.
1142
0:56:21
0:56:24
So, but at the time, the BMJ was quite critical
1143
0:56:24
0:56:26
of the pharmaceutical industry.
1144
0:56:26
0:56:29
So why would they do, what was their motivation
1145
0:56:29
0:56:32
to do this to you, to portray you as a fraud?
1146
0:56:33
0:56:36
Well, I think that is probably a question for them.
1147
0:56:36
0:56:40
I've asked myself that many times, and I don't know.
1148
0:56:40
0:56:41
I mean-
1149
0:56:41
0:56:44
Cordelia, that's what's known as a limited hangout.
1150
0:56:46
0:56:49
And the other thing is, when I started in pathology,
1151
0:56:49
0:56:52
Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis was quite rare.
1152
0:56:52
0:56:55
And now we've got an explosion of biopsies
1153
0:56:55
0:56:57
for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
1154
0:56:57
0:57:02
It's not quadrupled, it's 10 times the biopsies we get
1155
0:57:02
0:57:04
for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
1156
0:57:04
0:57:06
And nobody's questioning it.
1157
0:57:06
0:57:08
And they're treating these patients
1158
0:57:08
0:57:12
with really expensive antibodies to tumor necrosis factor
1159
0:57:12
0:57:14
that costs a thousand pounds a month.
1160
0:57:14
0:57:16
And nobody's ever talking about this
1161
0:57:16
0:57:18
or nutrition or anything else.
1162
0:57:18
0:57:21
And it's just astounding that the whole system
1163
0:57:21
0:57:26
is just based on treatment and not on looking at the causes.
1164
0:57:26
0:57:28
Well, it's a very good point you raise.
1165
0:57:28
0:57:30
I got into this and the parents started calling me
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0:57:30
0:57:32
about their autistic children,
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0:57:32
0:57:37
because we'd done a lot of research showing
1168
0:57:38
0:57:41
that I became interested in the possible role
1169
0:57:41
0:57:43
of measles virus, natural measles,
1170
0:57:43
0:57:46
in causing inflammatory bowel disease.
1171
0:57:46
0:57:49
And our interest, the interest of my group
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0:57:49
0:57:51
was atypical patterns of exposure.
1173
0:57:51
0:57:52
Let me give you an example.
1174
0:57:52
0:57:56
We did a study with Uppsala University in Sweden
1175
0:57:56
0:58:00
showing that mothers who'd experienced measles infection,
1176
0:58:00
0:58:03
overt measles infection during pregnancy
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0:58:03
0:58:07
gave birth to children who later in life
1178
0:58:07
0:58:09
had severe Crohn's disease.
1179
0:58:09
0:58:13
And it was something like the odds were about 6 million to one
1180
0:58:13
0:58:15
that this was a chance finding.
1181
0:58:15
0:58:18
It was so unusual to have measles during pregnancy
1182
0:58:18
0:58:23
because invariably most people had had it as a child.
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0:58:23
0:58:26
And there were four cases in central Sweden
1184
0:58:26
0:58:28
during the 10 year part-time period we looked at.
1185
0:58:28
0:58:32
Four of those children developed severe Crohn's disease.
1186
0:58:32
0:58:34
So this was an extraordinary finding.
1187
0:58:34
0:58:37
And so we went on to ask the question,
1188
0:58:37
0:58:41
well, is single measles vaccine an atypical pattern
1189
0:58:41
0:58:43
of exposure that increases the risk?
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0:58:43
0:58:46
We published a paper in the Lancet,
1191
0:58:46
0:58:51
a cohort study using the British childhood,
1192
0:58:51
0:58:55
the BCS 70, British childhood study 1970,
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0:58:55
0:58:57
following all children born in one week of one year,
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0:58:57
0:59:01
we showed a six fold increase risk of Crohn's
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0:59:01
0:59:06
if you had measles vaccine compared with natural measles.
1196
0:59:06
0:59:09
And so this was already, you know,
1197
0:59:09
0:59:11
the idea that this was something environmental,
1198
0:59:11
0:59:14
that it was infectious and that it may be
1199
0:59:14
0:59:15
an atypical pattern of exposure
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0:59:15
0:59:20
to a common pathogen like measles was already on the cards.
1201
0:59:21
0:59:23
And I think this is why people don't want to look at it now
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0:59:23
0:59:25
in terms of what is causing this,
1203
0:59:25
0:59:30
because it takes the lid off that very, very, very
1204
0:59:31
0:59:33
uncomfortable and precarious possibility
1205
0:59:33
0:59:35
that this may be causing it.
1206
0:59:35
0:59:38
The Mayo Clinic did a follow-up study and confirmed
1207
0:59:38
0:59:42
that it was the same association, younger age of exposure.
1208
0:59:42
0:59:43
So there was something there,
1209
0:59:43
0:59:47
but the whole research program was killed, dead.
1210
0:59:47
0:59:49
And nobody ever wanted to go back and look at it again
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0:59:49
0:59:53
because of the implications for their careers.
1212
0:59:53
0:59:55
Hmm. Thank you.
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0:59:56
0:59:58
Thank you, Cordelia.
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0:59:58
1:00:00
Lovely to have listened to experts
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1:00:00
1:00:02
talking about expert stuff.
1216
1:00:02
1:00:05
Gary Finkelstein, before we get to you,
1217
1:00:05
1:00:07
Ryan has got an issue.
1218
1:00:07
1:00:09
He's got to be quick and he has to go.
1219
1:00:09
1:00:12
Ryan Penn from Take Action Canada.
1220
1:00:12
1:00:13
Go, Ryan.
1221
1:00:14
1:00:15
Hello, Dr. Wakefield.
1222
1:00:15
1:00:17
I just wanted to thank you.
1223
1:00:17
1:00:21
Fortunately, in the 1980s,
1224
1:00:21
1:00:24
I was fortunate to hear a lecture by G. Edward Griffin
1225
1:00:24
1:00:26
about the politics of cancer therapy,
1226
1:00:26
1:00:29
which I put in the chat, which outlines the why
1227
1:00:29
1:00:33
that Cordelia asked and the why that many people will ask
1228
1:00:33
1:00:37
because it's a business and because they have no conscious.
1229
1:00:37
1:00:39
So no conscience.
1230
1:00:39
1:00:39
So it's very easy.
1231
1:00:39
1:00:43
There's also a book put out by a French Canadian doctor,
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1:00:43
1:00:46
which I put in the chat called the Medical Mafia.
1233
1:00:46
1:00:49
And that outlines exactly how the system works
1234
1:00:49
1:00:51
and how the tentacles of the system,
1235
1:00:51
1:00:54
whether it's the British Medical Journal
1236
1:00:54
1:00:58
or the World Health Organization or the UN
1237
1:00:58
1:01:01
or whatever it is that the tentacles work together.
1238
1:01:01
1:01:04
So I wanted to thank you because of your work, Dr. Wakefield,
1239
1:01:04
1:01:08
that I decided not to vaccinate my children for anything.
1240
1:01:08
1:01:11
And they are 20 and 22 years old
1241
1:01:11
1:01:14
with have had no health issues at all.
1242
1:01:14
1:01:15
So I wanted to thank you.
1243
1:01:15
1:01:17
And it's partially because of that
1244
1:01:17
1:01:19
that I helped found Take Action Canada
1245
1:01:20
1:01:24
a couple of years ago to deal with the COVID scam
1246
1:01:24
1:01:28
or scandemic as we like to call it.
1247
1:01:28
1:01:31
And I just want to let you know that we've launched
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1:01:31
1:01:33
a campaign to the rest of the group called
1249
1:01:33
1:01:35
Justice for the Vaccinated,
1250
1:01:35
1:01:39
which is what we call activism, a keto,
1251
1:01:39
1:01:41
where we actually turn it around
1252
1:01:41
1:01:44
because we've all been talking about what about my rights?
1253
1:01:44
1:01:45
What about my needs?
1254
1:01:45
1:01:46
What about my family?
1255
1:01:46
1:01:48
What about my community?
1256
1:01:48
1:01:49
And we talk about all the people
1257
1:01:49
1:01:51
that have taken this vaccine
1258
1:01:51
1:01:54
through coercion, misinformation or other means
1259
1:01:54
1:01:56
and the justice for the vaccinated,
1260
1:01:56
1:01:57
which I'll put in there,
1261
1:01:57
1:02:00
is a means for people to understand what has happened
1262
1:02:00
1:02:04
and the degree of fraud that's happened.
1263
1:02:04
1:02:06
So I want to thank you for your work.
1264
1:02:06
1:02:08
The sacrifice has been greater
1265
1:02:08
1:02:10
than most people can understand
1266
1:02:10
1:02:11
in terms of the personal attacks.
1267
1:02:11
1:02:13
And I've been following you for a number of years.
1268
1:02:13
1:02:16
And I really want to appreciate you
1269
1:02:16
1:02:18
and your commitment to what you've done.
1270
1:02:18
1:02:20
So thank you very much.
1271
1:02:20
1:02:22
Thank you very much indeed.
1272
1:02:22
1:02:23
I should say just out of interest,
1273
1:02:23
1:02:25
great deal of affection for Canada.
1274
1:02:25
1:02:28
This work started when I was actually studying
1275
1:02:28
1:02:30
small intestinal transplantation
1276
1:02:30
1:02:33
as a transplant surgeon at Toronto General Hospital
1277
1:02:33
1:02:36
and the University of Toronto.
1278
1:02:36
1:02:39
So great affection for Canada
1279
1:02:39
1:02:43
and deeply troubled by what you're going through there.
1280
1:02:43
1:02:44
Thank you.
1281
1:02:44
1:02:46
Yeah, we're all so deeply troubled.
1282
1:02:46
1:02:48
And so we're on the front lines
1283
1:02:49
1:02:50
as you saw the truckers revolt.
1284
1:02:50
1:02:54
It's now turned into the farmers revolt in the Netherlands
1285
1:02:54
1:02:57
and will soon turn into a worldwide revolt
1286
1:02:57
1:03:01
where the 99% of us that, or 99.9% of us
1287
1:03:01
1:03:04
that aren't pulling the strings and defrauding people
1288
1:03:04
1:03:08
will take back control and you're 100% part of that solution.
1289
1:03:08
1:03:10
So thanks again.
1290
1:03:10
1:03:12
Put the links on the chat.
1291
1:03:12
1:03:14
Please remember to save all the links
1292
1:03:14
1:03:17
and save the chat after the call.
1293
1:03:17
1:03:18
Thanks Charles for organizing.
1294
1:03:18
1:03:20
Ryan, can I ask you to email me?
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1:03:22
1:03:23
Yes, Stephen, if you wanna put,
1296
1:03:23
1:03:27
I'll put my email in the chat and you can send me an email
1297
1:03:27
1:03:29
and I'll answer for sure.
1298
1:03:29
1:03:30
Okay, thank you.
1299
1:03:30
1:03:32
Yep, we're all gonna, just put your email, Ryan.
1300
1:03:32
1:03:33
Thank you, thank you for that.
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1:03:33
1:03:35
Thank you for being efficient, Gary.
1302
1:03:35
1:03:37
So Ryan, well done on your work.
1303
1:03:37
1:03:41
And Andy, this is a beautiful example to all of us,
1304
1:03:41
1:03:44
what the impact that each one of you are having
1305
1:03:44
1:03:46
and can have and you never know.
1306
1:03:46
1:03:47
And Andy, you didn't realize this impact
1307
1:03:47
1:03:49
that you had on Ryan Penn, did you?
1308
1:03:49
1:03:53
22 years down the track, but Mark Sexton,
1309
1:03:53
1:03:54
and all of this stuff.
1310
1:03:54
1:03:57
So welcome to your life.
1311
1:03:57
1:03:59
We should make a movie of this.
1312
1:03:59
1:04:00
Andy, this is your life.
1313
1:04:00
1:04:05
Gary Finkelstein, who is from the UK and a,
1314
1:04:05
1:04:09
guys, I'm not, a actuary, correct?
1315
1:04:09
1:04:09
Yeah, that's right.
1316
1:04:11
1:04:13
Yeah, that's right, I'm an actuary and a statistician.
1317
1:04:13
1:04:16
So I'm sitting in a dark balcony in Portugal
1318
1:04:16
1:04:20
at the moment, so sorry if you can't see me.
1319
1:04:21
1:04:25
So Andy, yeah, I look like everybody else before me.
1320
1:04:26
1:04:28
Well done.
1321
1:04:28
1:04:30
You know, you're right when you say,
1322
1:04:30
1:04:33
it's not about ourselves, there is a bigger picture,
1323
1:04:33
1:04:34
but it is also about you.
1324
1:04:34
1:04:38
And some of us do care.
1325
1:04:38
1:04:41
And let me just say upfront, you know,
1326
1:04:42
1:04:46
I found it hard to follow what was going on at the time,
1327
1:04:46
1:04:47
always a bit skeptical.
1328
1:04:49
1:04:50
I am an actuary and a statistician.
1329
1:04:50
1:04:53
If you need an actuary or statistician to,
1330
1:04:54
1:04:57
if I can help in any way to make,
1331
1:04:57
1:05:01
help make a case that things are clear, you know,
1332
1:05:01
1:05:02
and sometimes it is about statistics.
1333
1:05:02
1:05:05
It's not that having a vaccine will guarantee
1334
1:05:05
1:05:07
that somebody will get ill.
1335
1:05:07
1:05:10
It's really about the risks and the odds being greater
1336
1:05:10
1:05:11
than if you didn't.
1337
1:05:13
1:05:16
I'm there to help if ever you need help for that skill set.
1338
1:05:17
1:05:22
Like you, I come from a family of doctors and physicians
1339
1:05:22
1:05:26
and cardiologists and you name it, all sorts of specialists.
1340
1:05:26
1:05:30
I'm curious if your own children have continued
1341
1:05:30
1:05:31
your family tradition.
1342
1:05:31
1:05:33
That's just a matter of curiosity.
1343
1:05:33
1:05:34
That's all there is to it.
1344
1:05:35
1:05:37
I was gonna ask a few other questions,
1345
1:05:37
1:05:40
but you know, some of those questions have been answered,
1346
1:05:40
1:05:41
especially your comment.
1347
1:05:41
1:05:44
I was gonna ask you when you said your paper at the time,
1348
1:05:46
1:05:47
you know, argued for further work,
1349
1:05:47
1:05:50
but I think you answered it later when,
1350
1:05:51
1:05:56
the point being it's really about privacy and risk signals.
1351
1:05:56
1:06:00
And yeah, the cancel culture has become, you know,
1352
1:06:00
1:06:03
I was very suspicious back then.
1353
1:06:03
1:06:06
It's become very obvious now.
1354
1:06:06
1:06:09
So I guess there's a lot of people coming out
1355
1:06:09
1:06:12
of the woodwork who are willing to be friendly,
1356
1:06:12
1:06:16
but you know, good for you,
1357
1:06:16
1:06:18
good on you as they say in Australia.
1358
1:06:18
1:06:19
Thank you very much.
1359
1:06:19
1:06:21
Let me not ramble, I know there's a lot of people.
1360
1:06:22
1:06:25
My own children have not gone into medicine.
1361
1:06:26
1:06:28
After looking at what happened to me,
1362
1:06:28
1:06:30
they didn't think that was a wise career choice.
1363
1:06:31
1:06:36
Many of my brothers and my cousins, nephews,
1364
1:06:37
1:06:39
they're all in the medical profession,
1365
1:06:40
1:06:43
but my children have been remarkably supportive
1366
1:06:43
1:06:47
and remain healthy and not having been vaccinated,
1367
1:06:47
1:06:50
at least since their very first shots
1368
1:06:50
1:06:51
when we didn't have this information,
1369
1:06:51
1:06:56
but they remain well and my grandchildren are well as well.
1370
1:06:57
1:06:57
That's great.
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1:06:57
1:07:00
Look, and please, if you want a statistician
1372
1:07:00
1:07:04
or an actuary ever, you know, Stephen will help you find me.
1373
1:07:04
1:07:05
There's a group of doctors-
1374
1:07:05
1:07:08
Yes, Gary, could you email me and I'll-
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1:07:08
1:07:10
I'll put you in contact.
1376
1:07:10
1:07:13
Yeah, there's a group of doctors in Recife, Brazil
1377
1:07:13
1:07:15
that I helped them put together a dossier
1378
1:07:15
1:07:18
when hydroxychloroquine was gonna get outlawed
1379
1:07:18
1:07:21
and that I'm told was very helpful
1380
1:07:21
1:07:25
and that decision got reversed within two weeks.
1381
1:07:25
1:07:26
Wonderful, wonderful.
1382
1:07:26
1:07:28
Well done, thank you.
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1:07:28
1:07:30
Gary, great work, great work.
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1:07:30
1:07:34
And you know, that offer, Andy, please note,
1385
1:07:34
1:07:38
and all of us note, if we need a statistician, analyst,
1386
1:07:38
1:07:41
Gary could be a wonderful resource for us.
1387
1:07:41
1:07:42
Thank you, Gary.
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1:07:44
1:07:47
Next is Peter Huger from Wales,
1389
1:07:47
1:07:49
a lawyer, ex-police officer,
1390
1:07:49
1:07:52
and general troublemaker here, Andy.
1391
1:07:53
1:07:55
No, he's not a troublemaker.
1392
1:07:57
1:08:00
I think you're right in the first instance.
1393
1:08:00
1:08:04
Yeah, just one point, Andrew, before anything.
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1:08:04
1:08:07
First of all, like everybody else here,
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1:08:07
1:08:11
I found your bravery admirable, your words inspirational,
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1:08:11
1:08:13
and also emotional.
1397
1:08:13
1:08:16
When you began speaking, it just hit me,
1398
1:08:16
1:08:18
what you gave up and your strength of character
1399
1:08:18
1:08:20
to carry on the fight that it seems
1400
1:08:20
1:08:22
we're all embroiled in now.
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1:08:23
1:08:25
Agreed.
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1:08:25
1:08:26
Yeah, we are not alone.
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1:08:27
1:08:29
So thank you, Andrew.
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1:08:29
1:08:32
Now, understanding now how the co-opting of Murdoch
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1:08:32
1:08:36
onto the board of GSK and the subsequent effect
1406
1:08:36
1:08:40
on medical research via MSM truth terrorism,
1407
1:08:40
1:08:43
it's easy to see how government have developed this further
1408
1:08:43
1:08:47
as you know, as a form of control via MSM
1409
1:08:47
1:08:49
and indeed on social media in the UK
1410
1:08:49
1:08:53
via the military 77th Brigade and 13 signals.
1411
1:08:53
1:08:57
So we have the military trolling people on social media.
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1:08:57
1:09:00
When you challenge them, they just disappear.
1413
1:09:00
1:09:03
So the UK government behavioral insight team,
1414
1:09:03
1:09:04
we probably all know here
1415
1:09:04
1:09:07
that they were using COVID fear tactics
1416
1:09:07
1:09:09
to get people to take the job, et cetera.
1417
1:09:09
1:09:12
So I have three points to my question here
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1:09:12
1:09:15
or just comments from you.
1419
1:09:15
1:09:17
To your mind, is there any way of beating
1420
1:09:17
1:09:22
this totalitarian media system at present?
1421
1:09:22
1:09:25
You've been embroiled in this over the years.
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1:09:25
1:09:28
Secondly, having had a cast iron case myself refused
1423
1:09:28
1:09:31
in similar circumstances to you against the judiciary,
1424
1:09:31
1:09:34
can you see any hope for the judiciary here
1425
1:09:35
1:09:37
or worldwide somebody standing up?
1426
1:09:37
1:09:40
Because if Reiner can't get it through,
1427
1:09:40
1:09:44
it's really hard for smaller lawyers to get anywhere.
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1:09:44
1:09:47
And thirdly, how do we win this war in your opinion?
1429
1:09:47
1:09:51
Is it just getting the 99% on board?
1430
1:09:51
1:09:53
And as a corollary to all of that,
1431
1:09:53
1:09:56
when I took on and whistle blew against the police
1432
1:09:56
1:09:59
as a Sergeant against targets that wrecked the police
1433
1:09:59
1:10:02
in Britain and also the judiciary,
1434
1:10:02
1:10:04
two friends separately said to me,
1435
1:10:04
1:10:07
Peter, there's no point in winning the battle
1436
1:10:07
1:10:09
and losing the war.
1437
1:10:09
1:10:10
I listened to them for a while,
1438
1:10:10
1:10:14
but then I realized keeping my integrity was the war
1439
1:10:14
1:10:18
and losing my job in two instances was just the battle.
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1:10:18
1:10:21
And that's what you've done, my friend, and thank you.
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1:10:21
1:10:22
Thank you very much.
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1:10:22
1:10:23
Brilliant.
1443
1:10:23
1:10:25
No, very well put.
1444
1:10:26
1:10:27
Yes, we can win.
1445
1:10:27
1:10:29
It may sound bizarre, but we can.
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1:10:29
1:10:31
And we are a majority now.
1447
1:10:31
1:10:36
In this country, we have a podcast, Joe Rogan.
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1:10:37
1:10:41
Joe Rogan has 8 million followers every show.
1449
1:10:41
1:10:44
He has gone from being on the side of pro-vaccine
1450
1:10:44
1:10:46
to being completely now.
1451
1:10:47
1:10:49
He's realized what's going on.
1452
1:10:49
1:10:52
He was a sort of professional fighter
1453
1:10:52
1:10:54
and he's an extraordinary guy.
1454
1:10:54
1:10:56
But the important things about Joe Rogan
1455
1:10:56
1:11:01
is that he has a viewership that is vastly bigger than CNN.
1456
1:11:02
1:11:05
Mainstream media is becoming less and less relevant
1457
1:11:05
1:11:06
by the day.
1458
1:11:06
1:11:09
And the alternative media,
1459
1:11:09
1:11:12
which they're finding increasingly difficult to control,
1460
1:11:12
1:11:13
is becoming bigger.
1461
1:11:13
1:11:17
So we have a rapidly growing majority.
1462
1:11:18
1:11:21
We have a majority that is growing,
1463
1:11:21
1:11:23
one, because people are realizing what's happening,
1464
1:11:23
1:11:25
and two, because they're getting,
1465
1:11:25
1:11:26
sadly, they're getting injured
1466
1:11:26
1:11:28
and their family members are getting injured.
1467
1:11:28
1:11:31
And they now know that this vaccine doesn't do
1468
1:11:31
1:11:33
all the things that they were told it would do.
1469
1:11:35
1:11:36
The only thing it has done is make
1470
1:11:36
1:11:38
the pharmaceutical industry a lot of money.
1471
1:11:38
1:11:39
So yes, we can win,
1472
1:11:39
1:11:42
but we really, really have to apply ourselves.
1473
1:11:42
1:11:44
Certain laws have to be overcome.
1474
1:11:44
1:11:47
In this country, what we need to do,
1475
1:11:47
1:11:48
as just as an example,
1476
1:11:48
1:11:52
is to stop this direct-to-consumer advertising
1477
1:11:52
1:11:54
in the media of the pharmaceuticals.
1478
1:11:54
1:11:58
This is only in New Zealand and the United States of America.
1479
1:11:58
1:12:01
By doing that, you see what has happened.
1480
1:12:01
1:12:04
I don't believe that these drug companies
1481
1:12:04
1:12:07
go on those, advertise on television,
1482
1:12:07
1:12:09
principally to sell drugs.
1483
1:12:09
1:12:12
When you listen to the side effects, it's laughable.
1484
1:12:12
1:12:15
But they do it because what it allows them to do
1485
1:12:15
1:12:16
is to control the media.
1486
1:12:16
1:12:19
The media, CNN, MSNBC,
1487
1:12:19
1:12:23
all of these people become dependent for their lifestyle,
1488
1:12:23
1:12:25
for their existence on the income
1489
1:12:25
1:12:27
that they get from the pharmaceutical companies,
1490
1:12:27
1:12:29
which is, in a non-election year,
1491
1:12:29
1:12:34
75 to 80% of their income comes from the drug companies.
1492
1:12:34
1:12:36
If you take that away,
1493
1:12:36
1:12:39
suddenly the media have got to go back
1494
1:12:39
1:12:43
to being a media company, presenting the news,
1495
1:12:43
1:12:44
not a biased view of the world
1496
1:12:44
1:12:47
from the perspective of the pharmaceutical industry.
1497
1:12:47
1:12:49
So it would change things dramatically.
1498
1:12:49
1:12:52
That kind of thing, it's just one example
1499
1:12:52
1:12:53
of what could happen.
1500
1:12:53
1:12:55
You need to give liability back
1501
1:12:55
1:12:58
to the pharmaceutical companies and dismantle
1502
1:12:58
1:13:02
what was the 1986 act and reconstruct it
1503
1:13:02
1:13:03
to do what it was meant to do,
1504
1:13:03
1:13:07
apart from taking away this liability protection.
1505
1:13:07
1:13:09
They need to be responsible.
1506
1:13:09
1:13:11
And you would see a dramatic shift
1507
1:13:11
1:13:13
in the way things were done.
1508
1:13:13
1:13:15
So there are things that can be done.
1509
1:13:17
1:13:20
And that's really just from one perspective,
1510
1:13:20
1:13:23
from the sort of media perspective, the legal perspective.
1511
1:13:23
1:13:25
There are many, many things that can be done
1512
1:13:25
1:13:27
and things that are being done.
1513
1:13:27
1:13:29
In the end, it comes down to the majority,
1514
1:13:29
1:13:30
and it's gonna be a big majority,
1515
1:13:30
1:13:33
and we will control things, and they are terrified.
1516
1:13:33
1:13:36
They are absolutely terrified right now.
1517
1:13:36
1:13:37
And just to give you an example,
1518
1:13:37
1:13:42
vaccination should be a public health policy
1519
1:13:42
1:13:45
that is based in the public confidence,
1520
1:13:45
1:13:46
the consumer's confidence,
1521
1:13:46
1:13:49
in the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.
1522
1:13:49
1:13:51
That is long gone, that confidence is gone.
1523
1:13:51
1:13:53
And when that confidence is gone,
1524
1:13:53
1:13:56
all you have left is force.
1525
1:13:56
1:13:59
And that force means destroying the lives of doctors
1526
1:13:59
1:14:00
and scientists, taking away their careers,
1527
1:14:00
1:14:02
taking children away from their parents,
1528
1:14:02
1:14:06
passing laws to force children in public and private school
1529
1:14:06
1:14:07
to get the vaccines.
1530
1:14:07
1:14:11
Any number of coercive policies, that is a road to nowhere.
1531
1:14:11
1:14:16
That is absolutely an example of their failure,
1532
1:14:16
1:14:17
not of their success.
1533
1:14:17
1:14:20
So yes, we are winning and they are desperate.
1534
1:14:20
1:14:22
We need to appreciate that.
1535
1:14:22
1:14:25
And we need to strike now while we have the opportunity,
1536
1:14:25
1:14:27
because if we lose it,
1537
1:14:27
1:14:29
then we've lost it for a very, very long time.
1538
1:14:29
1:14:31
And it is close to being lost.
1539
1:14:31
1:14:33
So the thanks to people like you,
1540
1:14:33
1:14:36
we're growing in number by the day.
1541
1:14:36
1:14:39
And I gather you've got new people signing up just today,
1542
1:14:39
1:14:43
then it is going to change.
1543
1:14:43
1:14:48
But courage, we will provide.
1544
1:14:48
1:14:50
Andrew, are you guessing that they're terrified?
1545
1:14:50
1:14:53
Or I can't remember which word you used.
1546
1:14:53
1:14:55
Are you guessing that they're terrified?
1547
1:14:55
1:14:58
Or do you know from contacts that they're terrified?
1548
1:15:00
1:15:02
I know from having dealt with public health
1549
1:15:02
1:15:04
for a very long time,
1550
1:15:04
1:15:07
having initially tried years ago to deal with the likes
1551
1:15:07
1:15:10
of the Public Health Laboratory Service and David Salisbury,
1552
1:15:11
1:15:15
there is a thin veneer of confidence,
1553
1:15:15
1:15:18
but there is underlying that absolute,
1554
1:15:18
1:15:20
they're terrified that they're losing.
1555
1:15:20
1:15:22
And it's quite clear,
1556
1:15:22
1:15:23
and if there was a proceeding
1557
1:15:23
1:15:25
of the World Health Organization,
1558
1:15:25
1:15:30
where the girl from the London School of Hygiene
1559
1:15:30
1:15:32
and Tropical Medicine who is in charge of their sort
1560
1:15:32
1:15:37
of think tank of how to persuade the unwilling,
1561
1:15:37
1:15:39
how to get them to vaccinate,
1562
1:15:39
1:15:40
then she really said,
1563
1:15:40
1:15:43
we've become a vaccine dependent world.
1564
1:15:43
1:15:46
We've lost the confidence of the public.
1565
1:15:46
1:15:47
They don't believe us anymore.
1566
1:15:47
1:15:48
What are we going to do about it?
1567
1:15:48
1:15:52
And I think that that really is a public reflection
1568
1:15:52
1:15:55
of something that is far worse below the surface.
1569
1:15:55
1:16:00
So, yes, I think it's based upon my,
1570
1:16:00
1:16:02
I don't sit in meetings with these people,
1571
1:16:02
1:16:05
but otherwise I'm fairly confident.
1572
1:16:05
1:16:07
I'm very confident knowing them as I do,
1573
1:16:07
1:16:09
having dealt with them a lot in the past,
1574
1:16:09
1:16:11
they know they've lost the COVID war.
1575
1:16:11
1:16:14
They know that people don't trust them anymore.
1576
1:16:14
1:16:16
They know that it's one of the biggest mistakes they've made.
1577
1:16:16
1:16:19
All they can do is double down
1578
1:16:19
1:16:21
and keep pushing people to get it,
1579
1:16:21
1:16:24
but it's another failure.
1580
1:16:24
1:16:28
And every time another person joins your ranks
1581
1:16:28
1:16:30
or another someone like Peter McCullough stands up
1582
1:16:30
1:16:32
and says, actually,
1583
1:16:32
1:16:34
I'm one of the most published scientists in the world
1584
1:16:34
1:16:36
and this is garbage.
1585
1:16:36
1:16:40
Then they fall a little further apart.
1586
1:16:40
1:16:45
So, yeah, I think you can take it that they are struggling.
1587
1:16:47
1:16:50
That is well expressed.
1588
1:16:50
1:16:51
Great question, Stephen.
1589
1:16:51
1:16:55
Now, Andy, we have not Gerard Waters,
1590
1:16:55
1:16:57
but Gerry Waters from Ireland.
1591
1:16:57
1:17:00
Gerry, give us a quick, quick snapshot.
1592
1:17:00
1:17:02
Don't go too much into your story,
1593
1:17:02
1:17:04
but Gerry's in trouble with the authorities,
1594
1:17:04
1:17:05
aren't you, Gerry? Tell Andy.
1595
1:17:06
1:17:10
I, yes, you could consider I'm in trouble
1596
1:17:10
1:17:11
with the authorities.
1597
1:17:11
1:17:15
I was struck off the medical council,
1598
1:17:15
1:17:20
struck off the medical register in March of 21
1599
1:17:21
1:17:23
for my refusal to go along with the COVID hoax
1600
1:17:23
1:17:25
and my refusal to give the vaccine.
1601
1:17:25
1:17:29
I wasn't quite demonised the way you were, Andy.
1602
1:17:29
1:17:33
And incidentally, Andy, again, I'd like to congratulate you.
1603
1:17:33
1:17:35
You really have been,
1604
1:17:35
1:17:38
you've been a shining star to so many people.
1605
1:17:41
1:17:44
There are a number of points that you make
1606
1:17:44
1:17:49
and it's interesting that you become a film maker.
1607
1:17:50
1:17:52
When you were going through,
1608
1:17:52
1:17:53
I'm a couple of years ahead of you,
1609
1:17:53
1:17:55
I qualified a couple of years ahead of you
1610
1:17:55
1:18:00
and I watched your case.
1611
1:18:01
1:18:06
You, I remember thinking at the time,
1612
1:18:06
1:18:11
it was a bit like the witch scene from Monty Python.
1613
1:18:14
1:18:15
Oh, but she had the witch's nose.
1614
1:18:15
1:18:16
Yes, you stuck it on.
1615
1:18:16
1:18:17
She's got a wart.
1616
1:18:17
1:18:19
Yeah, you stuck it on.
1617
1:18:19
1:18:23
Does she float or what floats, ducks?
1618
1:18:23
1:18:25
It's very much like that.
1619
1:18:25
1:18:28
They, in your case, they made up,
1620
1:18:29
1:18:31
they turned you into a witch.
1621
1:18:31
1:18:34
They stuck the witch's hat on you.
1622
1:18:34
1:18:37
And I'm sure you're familiar with that witch scene
1623
1:18:37
1:18:38
in Monty Python.
1624
1:18:38
1:18:40
It is indeed, yeah.
1626
1:18:41
1:18:44
And the wise knight comes along
1627
1:18:44
1:18:46
who's just as about as ridiculous,
1628
1:18:46
1:18:49
which I would compare to the medical council.
1629
1:18:49
1:18:52
Now you say that they're terrified.
1630
1:18:52
1:18:54
I know they're terrified.
1631
1:18:54
1:18:56
I was temporarily struck off
1632
1:18:56
1:18:59
or temporarily suspended 18 months ago.
1633
1:18:59
1:19:03
And they haven't brought me before a full hearing.
1634
1:19:05
1:19:07
I was fortunate.
1635
1:19:07
1:19:10
I was fortunate a week ago to spend some time.
1636
1:19:10
1:19:14
I spent a day and a half with such luminaries
1637
1:19:14
1:19:16
as Ryan Cole and Robert Malone.
1638
1:19:16
1:19:19
And I got a reassurance from these men
1639
1:19:19
1:19:22
that these guys will come as witnesses in my case,
1640
1:19:22
1:19:25
when I go before the medical council.
1641
1:19:25
1:19:29
If anybody's met Ryan Cole or Robert Malone personally,
1642
1:19:29
1:19:32
they are formidable people.
1643
1:19:35
1:19:37
Jerry, don't forget to spend some time with me too, right?
1644
1:19:37
1:19:38
Oh, yeah.
1646
1:19:41
1:19:43
And that, you know, you, I think you'd agree
1647
1:19:43
1:19:46
that was a fabulous time we had.
1648
1:19:46
1:19:50
It was a fun couple of days or day and a half,
1649
1:19:50
1:19:53
just having breakfast with these guys and singing.
1650
1:19:55
1:19:58
I think some of them sang until four o'clock at night.
1651
1:19:58
1:20:01
I bailed out at one o'clock.
1652
1:20:01
1:20:06
But these are great guys, but very, very formidable
1653
1:20:06
1:20:08
and women of course, gay.
1654
1:20:08
1:20:11
But so what I'm saying is these people
1655
1:20:11
1:20:13
are really, really frightened.
1656
1:20:13
1:20:18
I have these, what they call call over meetings with them
1657
1:20:18
1:20:21
and they don't like dealing with me
1658
1:20:21
1:20:24
because I don't, I'm not legally represented
1659
1:20:25
1:20:26
and I want to keep it that way
1660
1:20:26
1:20:29
because I can go to the call over meetings myself
1661
1:20:29
1:20:32
and I'm not being hamstrung by the solicitors,
1662
1:20:32
1:20:34
who as it turns out,
1663
1:20:34
1:20:37
were on the side of the establishment anyway.
1664
1:20:37
1:20:38
But there's, pardon that,
1665
1:20:38
1:20:41
there's one or two actual questions I'd like to ask.
1666
1:20:41
1:20:45
Did the vaccines, those MMRs that I was instrumental
1667
1:20:45
1:20:46
on my nurse, I gave them,
1668
1:20:46
1:20:49
my nurse gave over the 40 year period,
1669
1:20:49
1:20:53
did they actually do any good or did they all do harm?
1670
1:20:53
1:20:58
Like, am I as culpable now for giving those MMR vaccines
1671
1:20:59
1:21:04
as the people who are complicit in the COVID-19 crime?
1672
1:21:08
1:21:10
No, you're not, not at all.
1673
1:21:12
1:21:15
Again, let me answer that.
1674
1:21:15
1:21:17
It's an extremely important question,
1675
1:21:17
1:21:20
but let me answer this from a broader perspective
1676
1:21:20
1:21:22
that does not find you in any way
1677
1:21:24
1:21:28
culpable and I qualify that by saying my children,
1678
1:21:28
1:21:31
my own children, first two, I've got four,
1679
1:21:31
1:21:33
had MMR vaccine, I did not know.
1680
1:21:33
1:21:35
But I should have, I should have known,
1681
1:21:35
1:21:38
I should have investigated before, but I didn't.
1682
1:21:38
1:21:41
And that's so, if you're culpable, so am I.
1683
1:21:41
1:21:46
But measles vaccine has,
1684
1:21:46
1:21:49
measles up until 1920 was a major killer of children
1685
1:21:49
1:21:52
during epidemics in Western countries,
1686
1:21:52
1:21:56
1200 per million children would die during epidemics.
1687
1:21:56
1:21:59
Beyond that point, there was a precipitous fall
1688
1:21:59
1:22:03
in case fatality rate, such that by the time the vaccine,
1689
1:22:03
1:22:06
the single measles vaccine was first introduced
1690
1:22:06
1:22:11
in the 1960s, there had been a 99.96% reduction
1691
1:22:12
1:22:13
in case fatality.
1692
1:22:13
1:22:17
In other words, in a very short space of time,
1693
1:22:17
1:22:21
measles was becoming a milder and milder disease.
1694
1:22:21
1:22:25
If we'd done nothing, that curve would have decayed to zero.
1695
1:22:25
1:22:29
It would have been nothing more than a mild cold.
1696
1:22:29
1:22:32
That was the consequence of herd immunity.
1697
1:22:32
1:22:36
That was because one, exposure protects for life
1698
1:22:36
1:22:38
and protects people who are older getting measles
1699
1:22:38
1:22:40
in whom the mortality is greater.
1700
1:22:40
1:22:45
And because pregnant mothers who have had natural measles
1701
1:22:45
1:22:47
give very good passive immunity to their babies
1702
1:22:47
1:22:50
through breast milk and transpositively,
1703
1:22:50
1:22:52
that protected babies under the age of one.
1704
1:22:52
1:22:54
So at those two extremes of life,
1705
1:22:54
1:22:58
where mortality was greater, much greater,
1706
1:22:58
1:23:01
people were protected by natural herd immunity.
1707
1:23:01
1:23:03
Vaccination has destroyed that.
1708
1:23:03
1:23:06
We were promised one shot, leads to lifelong immunity.
1709
1:23:06
1:23:07
It doesn't.
1710
1:23:07
1:23:09
It wanes really rather quickly,
1711
1:23:09
1:23:12
and we're now up to two, three, four doses,
1712
1:23:12
1:23:13
and it's still falling off.
1713
1:23:14
1:23:17
So now we are susceptible to measles again as adults
1714
1:23:17
1:23:19
where it's more dangerous.
1715
1:23:19
1:23:23
Mothers who've had measles, who had measles vaccine,
1716
1:23:23
1:23:25
do not give good immunity to their babies.
1717
1:23:25
1:23:27
So their babies are not protected
1718
1:23:27
1:23:28
during the first year of life.
1719
1:23:28
1:23:32
So measles has become a more dangerous disease
1720
1:23:32
1:23:35
precisely because of vaccination.
1721
1:23:35
1:23:40
So globally, yes, our giving the measles vaccine
1722
1:23:40
1:23:44
has caused an ecological catastrophe in effect
1723
1:23:44
1:23:47
because we have destroyed natural herd immunity.
1724
1:23:48
1:23:50
But at an individual level, no,
1725
1:23:50
1:23:54
you cannot be held any more culpable than I was
1726
1:23:54
1:23:57
for not investigating it before giving it to my children.
1727
1:23:59
1:24:04
Another thing, you say that, you know,
1728
1:24:04
1:24:07
this isn't about you, this isn't about me.
1729
1:24:07
1:24:10
But the fact of the matter is, it is about me.
1730
1:24:10
1:24:12
The medical council came after me.
1731
1:24:12
1:24:14
They wanted my head on a spike.
1732
1:24:14
1:24:16
As an example, which they took,
1733
1:24:17
1:24:20
as an example to other GPs, it ended up,
1734
1:24:20
1:24:23
I was the only GP who was disciplined like that.
1735
1:24:23
1:24:26
I don't know exactly how the other disciplines went,
1736
1:24:26
1:24:29
but I know that I was the only one that actually ended up
1737
1:24:29
1:24:33
with my career taken off me and totally demonized.
1738
1:24:34
1:24:36
It is, it's not about me.
1739
1:24:36
1:24:38
This is much, much bigger than me.
1740
1:24:38
1:24:39
It's much, much bigger than you.
1741
1:24:39
1:24:42
It's much, much bigger than the 124 people that are here.
1742
1:24:42
1:24:43
But at the end of the day,
1743
1:24:43
1:24:46
somebody has to be the point of the shaft.
1744
1:24:47
1:24:49
Or has to be the point of the spear.
1745
1:24:49
1:24:51
I don't mind being the point of the spear,
1746
1:24:51
1:24:53
but I need a shaft behind me.
1747
1:24:54
1:24:58
A spear is absolutely useless unless it's got a shaft.
1748
1:24:58
1:25:01
Otherwise it's only a blade, a little blade.
1749
1:25:01
1:25:03
So I keep saying this to people.
1750
1:25:03
1:25:05
I don't mind.
1751
1:25:05
1:25:07
I don't mind going in and facing the medical council.
1752
1:25:07
1:25:09
I don't mind going giving talks.
1753
1:25:09
1:25:14
But at the end of the day, it needs a really, the solution.
1754
1:25:14
1:25:19
And the winning of this battle and this film
1755
1:25:19
1:25:22
that you will eventually make about COVID-19
1756
1:25:22
1:25:25
will be won on the basis of the masses,
1757
1:25:25
1:25:28
the people coming in behind us.
1758
1:25:28
1:25:29
But at the end of the day,
1759
1:25:29
1:25:33
there has to be a point on the spear.
1760
1:25:33
1:25:35
I didn't choose to be the point on the spear.
1761
1:25:35
1:25:37
They chose me as the point on the spear.
1762
1:25:38
1:25:40
So another thing that I want to ask you,
1763
1:25:40
1:25:41
every time I hear,
1764
1:25:41
1:25:45
when I hear of a pediatric gastrointestinal surgeon,
1765
1:25:45
1:25:48
it brings me back to the ideas of intussusception.
1766
1:25:50
1:25:51
You remember intussusception?
1767
1:25:51
1:25:53
Oh yes, I do. Absolutely, yes.
1768
1:25:54
1:25:59
It seems to be what I remember of pediatric surgery.
1769
1:25:59
1:26:00
I started training in surgery.
1770
1:26:02
1:26:07
But was there a viral association with intussusception?
1771
1:26:08
1:26:09
Yes, there was.
1772
1:26:09
1:26:12
And in fact, there's been a vaccine association.
1773
1:26:13
1:26:15
As people, for the people who don't know,
1774
1:26:15
1:26:18
intussusception is where the lymph glands,
1775
1:26:18
1:26:20
particularly in the terminal ilium,
1776
1:26:20
1:26:22
the end of the small bowel becomes so enlarged,
1777
1:26:22
1:26:25
just like tonsils when you get an infection,
1778
1:26:25
1:26:28
that the intestine treats them like a bolus of food
1779
1:26:28
1:26:32
and drags them along and the bowel telescopes on itself
1780
1:26:32
1:26:37
and the child obstructs and it becomes a surgical emergency.
1781
1:26:38
1:26:43
And yes, a rotavirus infection and rotavirus vaccine
1782
1:26:44
1:26:45
can cause intussusception.
1783
1:26:45
1:26:48
In fact, one of the vaccines was withdrawn
1784
1:26:48
1:26:51
because precisely because it caused intussusception.
1785
1:26:51
1:26:54
So yes, that's the answer.
1786
1:26:56
1:26:57
A final point.
1787
1:26:57
1:27:00
This was the bridge too far.
1788
1:27:00
1:27:01
This really was.
1789
1:27:01
1:27:06
They in the rush to introduce this genocidal cause,
1790
1:27:06
1:27:09
as I now reluctantly begin to believe,
1791
1:27:09
1:27:14
that this is about killing off 15% of the population,
1792
1:27:17
1:27:19
has been quoted on a number of occasions.
1793
1:27:19
1:27:22
And I think in this rush, they went too far
1794
1:27:23
1:27:25
because I don't think that they realized
1795
1:27:25
1:27:30
that there was going to be the very close temporal association
1796
1:27:30
1:27:32
between the vaccine and the deaths.
1797
1:27:32
1:27:34
I think that's where they made the mistake.
1798
1:27:34
1:27:37
And I think they thought that the deaths would come
1799
1:27:37
1:27:39
five to three to five years afterwards,
1800
1:27:39
1:27:43
whereas they're coming days afterwards, if not weeks.
1801
1:27:43
1:27:45
And that's what I feel.
1802
1:27:45
1:27:46
I think it's that bridge too far.
1803
1:27:46
1:27:50
And as you say, I'm convinced that we're winning.
1804
1:27:50
1:27:51
Yes, good.
1805
1:27:51
1:27:53
I'm delighted to hear that.
1806
1:27:53
1:27:55
Thank you for sharing your story.
1807
1:27:55
1:27:56
Thank you.
1808
1:27:56
1:27:56
Thank you.
1809
1:27:56
1:27:57
Thank you, Gerard.
1810
1:27:57
1:27:58
Gerard, could you email me?
1811
1:27:58
1:28:02
Because maybe I can supply you with documents
1812
1:28:02
1:28:07
which you can use to hit the Irish Medical Council with.
1813
1:28:07
1:28:10
I've got a, I have emailed you before
1814
1:28:10
1:28:12
and you don't read your emails.
1815
1:28:12
1:28:13
You don't seem to read your emails.
1816
1:28:13
1:28:15
Well, I do actually.
1817
1:28:15
1:28:17
Yeah, I don't have time to reply sometimes.
1818
1:28:17
1:28:18
Yeah, of course.
1819
1:28:18
1:28:23
Yeah, I will, I'll email you and I need any documents I can
1820
1:28:24
1:28:26
and I need any statistics I can.
1821
1:28:26
1:28:29
Well, as you say, you're the point of the spear
1822
1:28:29
1:28:31
and you can do great damage.
1823
1:28:32
1:28:34
So, with our help, obviously.
1824
1:28:34
1:28:37
Yeah, you know, you guys have to be the shaft.
1825
1:28:37
1:28:39
But at the end of the day, I don't mind.
1826
1:28:39
1:28:42
I'm old enough now that I don't really care.
1827
1:28:42
1:28:44
I've done what I need to do in life.
1828
1:28:44
1:28:47
And I will die on this hill.
1829
1:28:48
1:28:49
Beautifully put, Gerry.
1830
1:28:49
1:28:52
Now, everybody on Sunday, and Andy,
1831
1:28:52
1:28:54
this is also relevant to you.
1832
1:28:55
1:28:58
I mentioned the 107 page report
1833
1:28:58
1:29:00
by Dr. Philip Altman in Australia.
1834
1:29:01
1:29:03
That's now circulating globally.
1835
1:29:03
1:29:04
I'll put it in the chat.
1836
1:29:04
1:29:06
I'll get it sent to you, Andy, as well,
1837
1:29:06
1:29:11
as well as a letter to all the medical colleges in Australia
1838
1:29:11
1:29:12
with a well-articulated letter
1839
1:29:12
1:29:16
from the newly formed Australia Medical Practitioners Society.
1840
1:29:16
1:29:19
And we're wanting that Philip Altman
1841
1:29:19
1:29:22
beautifully updated state of the art report
1842
1:29:22
1:29:25
to be sent to all medical colleges around the world.
1843
1:29:25
1:29:27
And all of you can play a part in that.
1844
1:29:27
1:29:32
And Gerry, this paper is designed to be used as evidence
1845
1:29:32
1:29:34
in court case, in proceedings,
1846
1:29:34
1:29:37
in proceedings against all medical regulators.
1847
1:29:37
1:29:39
So I'll put that in the chat.
1848
1:29:39
1:29:40
And if anyone needs an email,
1849
1:29:40
1:29:44
then please put your email in the chat and I'll send it.
1850
1:29:44
1:29:45
Gerry, thank you for that.
1851
1:29:45
1:29:49
That's the Philip Altman report, 107 pages,
1852
1:29:49
1:29:52
plus the covering letter to the medical colleges
1853
1:29:52
1:29:53
that all of us can use.
1854
1:29:53
1:29:56
Anna Mihalcia from America Doctor.
1855
1:29:58
1:30:00
Anna, over to you.
1856
1:30:03
1:30:05
Anna Mihalcia.
1857
1:30:05
1:30:08
Sorry, I didn't pronounce that correctly.
1858
1:30:08
1:30:10
Can you hear me?
1860
1:30:11
1:30:12
Yeah, we can now.
1861
1:30:13
1:30:16
Can you hear me all right?
1862
1:30:16
1:30:17
No, it's fine.
1863
1:30:17
1:30:18
I can hear you.
1864
1:30:18
1:30:19
I can hear something.
1865
1:30:19
1:30:21
Try it, Anna.
1866
1:30:21
1:30:22
Try it now, Anna.
1867
1:30:22
1:30:26
So, come on, Doctor, wait for the next...
1868
1:30:28
1:30:29
It's breaking up a bit.
1869
1:30:29
1:30:31
I'm a medicine physician by training.
1870
1:30:31
1:30:33
I was a geriatrician.
1871
1:30:33
1:30:38
I left the medical system because of vaccines.
1872
1:30:38
1:30:43
And then I became a chelation practitioner.
1873
1:30:43
1:30:46
So I detoxify people from heavy metals.
1874
1:30:46
1:30:48
And what is interesting, you know,
1875
1:30:48
1:30:52
all vaccines have been shown to have nanoparticle
1876
1:30:52
1:30:56
contaminations with all kinds of metals,
1877
1:30:56
1:31:00
from lead to lurium, steel.
1878
1:31:00
1:31:04
And it doesn't matter.
1879
1:31:04
1:31:05
We all have them.
1880
1:31:05
1:31:09
We have graphene oxide and other metal in shots.
1881
1:31:09
1:31:12
And one of the things that is important to understand
1882
1:31:12
1:31:17
is that the metals cause DNA methylation,
1883
1:31:17
1:31:21
which doesn't allow for microRNA to be transcribed,
1884
1:31:21
1:31:24
which actually is in charge of regulating the genome.
1885
1:31:24
1:31:27
And this can be passed on transgenerational.
1886
1:31:27
1:31:32
For example, lead in women who were pregnant children
1887
1:31:32
1:31:35
and impaired genetic expression,
1888
1:31:35
1:31:40
and thereby increasing the diseases transgenerational.
1889
1:31:40
1:31:42
So you can...
1890
1:31:42
1:31:47
That happens with all metals that are put into the body
1891
1:31:47
1:31:49
from a toxic perspective.
1892
1:31:49
1:31:53
So my question is, you know,
1893
1:31:53
1:31:55
pay for performance in the United States
1894
1:31:55
1:31:58
is tied to vaccine administration.
1895
1:31:58
1:32:03
My colleagues who know about the COVID vaccine
1896
1:32:03
1:32:07
still continue to give every other shot
1897
1:32:07
1:32:10
because their payment is dependent on it.
1898
1:32:10
1:32:12
I, as an independent practitioner,
1899
1:32:12
1:32:14
I don't give any vaccine.
1900
1:32:14
1:32:18
And I've spoken out against vaccines for a long time.
1901
1:32:18
1:32:22
How do we get colleagues to understand
1902
1:32:22
1:32:24
that all vaccines are toxic
1903
1:32:24
1:32:28
and they all have been used for depopulation
1904
1:32:28
1:32:33
and to create sick customers ongoingly?
1905
1:32:34
1:32:38
And if you just go after the metals, for example,
1906
1:32:38
1:32:41
you already have enough toxicity for all of them
1907
1:32:41
1:32:43
and we already have the proof.
1908
1:32:43
1:32:45
What is your suggestion?
1909
1:32:45
1:32:48
Because without doctors stopping to inject babies
1910
1:32:48
1:32:52
and taking their paycheck more important
1911
1:32:52
1:32:56
than the lives of the children, for example,
1912
1:32:56
1:32:58
or the adults that they care for,
1913
1:32:58
1:33:00
we're not gonna make headways
1914
1:33:00
1:33:03
on the vaccine depopulation scheme.
1915
1:33:04
1:33:06
Yes, you're absolutely right.
1916
1:33:06
1:33:09
In this country, and I'll just give you as an example
1917
1:33:09
1:33:12
for those not in America,
1918
1:33:12
1:33:14
there was a physician, a pediatrician,
1919
1:33:14
1:33:17
who stopped vaccinating and testified
1920
1:33:17
1:33:20
before the state legislature on this
1921
1:33:20
1:33:24
and said at the time that he lost
1922
1:33:24
1:33:29
by giving up vaccination $700,000 a year in income.
1923
1:33:30
1:33:32
That is the incentive for people
1924
1:33:32
1:33:35
to keep doing what they're doing
1925
1:33:35
1:33:37
and for violating their medical principle.
1926
1:33:37
1:33:41
It's an absolute disgrace, which gives you some insight.
1927
1:33:41
1:33:44
If that's just his bonus, what he gets,
1928
1:33:44
1:33:46
what the income from these vaccines is.
1929
1:33:47
1:33:50
I asked this very same question myself
1930
1:33:50
1:33:52
and that was the reason I went into filmmaking
1931
1:33:52
1:33:56
because filmmaking can take a complex story,
1932
1:33:56
1:33:59
such as the history of the 1986 act,
1933
1:33:59
1:34:01
make it entertaining first and foremost,
1934
1:34:01
1:34:06
educational secondarily, and then people will watch it.
1935
1:34:06
1:34:07
And you do the heavy lifting.
1936
1:34:07
1:34:11
You tell a complex story in an entertaining way
1937
1:34:12
1:34:15
and you can change many, many people's minds.
1938
1:34:15
1:34:20
And so the next film that we're in production on,
1939
1:34:20
1:34:24
pre-production at the moment, excuse me,
1940
1:34:24
1:34:26
is a full length feature film.
1941
1:34:26
1:34:29
And it is about a pharmaceutical industry fraud,
1942
1:34:29
1:34:31
vaccine manufacturer fraud.
1943
1:34:31
1:34:34
And hopefully it will bring people across the bridge
1944
1:34:34
1:34:39
from the COVID vaccine and the horrors of that
1945
1:34:39
1:34:41
to understand that this has been happening
1946
1:34:41
1:34:44
with the childhood vaccine schedule forever.
1947
1:34:44
1:34:46
And that is the purpose of this film,
1948
1:34:46
1:34:48
one of the purposes of this film.
1949
1:34:48
1:34:51
So the way in which I've approached this
1950
1:34:51
1:34:52
is through filmmaking.
1951
1:34:52
1:34:55
Other people will have their own ways
1952
1:34:55
1:34:56
of contributing of doing it.
1953
1:34:56
1:34:59
But that was the way in which I answered the question
1954
1:34:59
1:35:01
for myself, what could we do?
1955
1:35:01
1:35:06
So it's a beautiful, Ana, it's a beautiful example.
1956
1:35:07
1:35:10
Do what you see needs to be done.
1957
1:35:10
1:35:11
You're breaking up again.
1958
1:35:11
1:35:13
So Ana, it's up to all of us.
1959
1:35:13
1:35:18
I know you work hard, but it is up to all of us.
1960
1:35:18
1:35:23
And none of us on this group can afford to just sit back
1961
1:35:24
1:35:26
and wait for other people to do what we should be doing.
1962
1:35:26
1:35:28
And the things that we think of,
1963
1:35:29
1:35:30
because we stimulate each other
1964
1:35:30
1:35:32
and we have all these ideas, twice weekly,
1965
1:35:32
1:35:34
we have the chance to think about these things
1966
1:35:34
1:35:38
and people trigger thoughts in our heads,
1967
1:35:38
1:35:40
I think, certainly in mine.
1968
1:35:40
1:35:44
And when John, sorry, when Andrew was speaking,
1969
1:35:44
1:35:46
I don't know what you felt like,
1970
1:35:46
1:35:48
but it was just like one thing after another.
1971
1:35:48
1:35:50
I had a comment and a question
1972
1:35:50
1:35:52
on everything he said just about.
1973
1:35:52
1:35:54
But you are a very good speaker, Andrew, so.
1974
1:35:54
1:35:55
You're very kind.
1975
1:35:55
1:35:58
I have a production of a film called
1976
1:35:59
1:36:00
Production Meeting coming up.
1977
1:36:00
1:36:03
So I better get off very soon.
1978
1:36:03
1:36:05
I could probably take one more question.
1980
1:36:07
1:36:08
All right.
1981
1:36:08
1:36:10
So Ana, thank you for that.
1982
1:36:10
1:36:13
Theresa from, no, you have two, Andy.
1983
1:36:13
1:36:15
We've got Theresa from Wales and then John Stone,
1984
1:36:15
1:36:16
because he organized for you to be.
1985
1:36:16
1:36:18
Oh John, my dear friend.
1986
1:36:18
1:36:19
Yeah, yeah, okay.
1987
1:36:19
1:36:21
So Theresa from Wales.
1988
1:36:23
1:36:24
Hi, hi, Andrew.
1989
1:36:24
1:36:27
Thank you for presenting to us tonight.
1990
1:36:27
1:36:32
I'm very grateful for everything that you've done.
1991
1:36:32
1:36:34
I've worked with autistic children
1992
1:36:34
1:36:36
and I've heard so many stories
1993
1:36:36
1:36:38
about it being linked to the vaccine.
1994
1:36:38
1:36:39
My question is this.
1995
1:36:41
1:36:45
We know in this group that the COVID vaccine
1996
1:36:45
1:36:49
is cytoneurocardiohepatogenotoxic
1997
1:36:49
1:36:51
and many other toxicities.
1998
1:36:52
1:36:55
And my question for you is,
1999
1:36:56
1:37:00
is it really about money?
2000
1:37:00
1:37:03
The vaccination, you know, the MMR
2001
1:37:03
1:37:06
and the way these children are being injured by the vaccines.
2002
1:37:06
1:37:11
Is it really about money or is it a form of warfare?
2003
1:37:11
1:37:16
In that, I've seen forecasts of the number
2004
1:37:16
1:37:21
of young children that will be autistic by 2032.
2005
1:37:21
1:37:24
It could be as many as half of all children
2006
1:37:24
1:37:25
by 2030.
2007
1:37:31
1:37:32
You're breaking up Theresa.
2009
1:37:41
1:37:42
Still breaking up Theresa.
2010
1:37:42
1:37:45
Maybe I should answer that question.
2011
1:37:45
1:37:46
That due to an economy.
2012
1:37:46
1:37:48
Okay, I'm sure you can.
2013
1:37:48
1:37:49
Is it warfare?
2014
1:37:50
1:37:51
You're quite right.
2015
1:37:51
1:37:54
Just to give you people some perspective,
2016
1:37:55
1:37:57
based on the CDC's numbers,
2017
1:37:57
1:38:00
by 2032 it will be one in two children,
2018
1:38:00
1:38:02
80% of boys since it's more common in boys.
2019
1:38:04
1:38:08
And I just saw the other day that the numbers in New Jersey,
2020
1:38:08
1:38:12
one in 14 children already, Belfast, one in 14 children.
2021
1:38:12
1:38:15
So that's where on target for that horrendous number.
2022
1:38:17
1:38:18
Is there another agenda?
2023
1:38:18
1:38:22
Vaccination operates in my experience on various levels.
2024
1:38:22
1:38:23
For some people, it's purely money.
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It's almost religious zeal,
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1:38:30
a belief that this is the best thing that man has ever done.
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1:38:33
We were there with antibiotics
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until the tragedy of multi-resistant,
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highly pathogenic organisms evolving precisely
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because of the inappropriate use of antibiotics.
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1:38:45
And we're headed the same way with vaccines.
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1:38:47
And for some people,
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this is the basis of a film that I recently made
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1:38:50
with Bobby Kennedy.
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1:38:55
I didn't believe that there was a population control agenda
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1:38:57
until I made a film about it.
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1:39:00
And I realized that the World Health Organization
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1:39:04
has been quite clear and has been funding Dr. Talwar
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1:39:09
in New Delhi in India to produce, to experiment
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1:39:12
and produce an anti-fertility vaccine for many years,
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1:39:13
since the 70s.
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1:39:15
He optimized it in the 90s,
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1:39:20
and it's been used clandestinely around the world
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1:39:25
since that time amongst in populations such as Kenya.
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1:39:28
So please, if you want to see the facts behind that,
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1:39:30
for free, you can go and watch
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1:39:33
Infertility, a Diabolical Agenda,
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1:39:35
which is a short movie, 30 minutes,
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1:39:38
that I made recently released with Bobby.
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1:39:39
And it tells the story,
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1:39:42
a story that I did not know of before this,
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1:39:44
an absolutely extraordinary story.
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1:39:48
And you can watch that for free on
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1:39:52
Infertility, the movie.com.
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1:39:55
Infertility, the movie.com.
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1:40:01
And so there are many, many agendas.
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1:40:07
But yes, warfare against mankind is certainly one of them.
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1:40:11
Yeah, I've run the figures myself.
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1:40:13
This thing's going exponential.
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1:40:16
And I can't see any way that it's not gonna be
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1:40:17
half of kids by 2032,
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1:40:19
which will destroy Western civilization.
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1:40:24
Thank you.
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1:40:25
Thank you, Theresa.
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1:40:27
Last one, John Stone.
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1:40:30
How appropriate that you're the last one, Ferrandi.
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1:40:31
Hi, John.
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1:40:33
Hi, great to see you.
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1:40:36
Thanks for everything.
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1:40:39
Wonderful talk and for everything you've ever done for us all.
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1:40:42
One thing that,
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1:40:45
a piece of history that I sort of,
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1:40:48
I believe I reconstructed a couple of years ago,
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1:40:53
was where, I mean, obviously,
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1:40:57
there were various motives going on.
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1:41:01
Obviously, you said certain things,
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1:41:02
which were unacceptable.
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1:41:04
Of course, as we know,
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1:41:07
the scale of the vaccine industry
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1:41:10
absolutely escalated in the period.
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1:41:13
I reckon that from 2000 on,
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1:41:17
the actual burden,
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1:41:22
financial burden of the vaccine schedule
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1:41:25
had risen by more than a hundred times.
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1:41:31
And if you'd been allowed to say what you said
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1:41:35
and not been made an example of,
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1:41:39
then they could have,
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1:41:46
people could have picked and chosen their vaccines
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1:41:48
rather than saying, well, you've got to have everything.
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1:41:50
You have all these multi-vaccines
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1:41:52
and you've got to have everything together.
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1:41:59
Then the whole project would have failed.
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1:42:05
The other thing that I came across
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1:42:08
and researched as I had a couple of years ago
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1:42:12
was that the origins of this,
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1:42:17
first of all, it was a great project of Tony Blair
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1:42:22
to amalgamate Glaxo Welcome with Smithclime Beecham.
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1:42:27
And this, he was already trying this in 98.
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1:42:32
He was only, I think, finally achieved at the beginning of 2002
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1:42:34
and immediately after that,
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1:42:37
it wasn't actually doing very well.
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1:42:44
But I believe that there were, at that time,
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1:42:47
there was an incredibly close bond
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1:42:51
between Blair personally and Rupert Murdoch.
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1:42:55
James Murdoch didn't come into the picture until 2009
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1:43:00
when he was made a GSK board member.
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1:43:01
And immediately after that,
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1:43:06
you've got the second wave of Brian Deer's allegations.
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1:43:11
Rupert Murdoch was godfather
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1:43:13
to one of Blair's children, wasn't he?
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1:43:15
Exactly so, exactly that's the point.
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1:43:19
In 2000, I believe he became godfather to,
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1:43:24
Blair became godfather to one of Murdoch's children in 2002.
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1:43:27
These men were absolutely like that.
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1:43:31
So if Blair wanted to finish you off,
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1:43:32
then Murdoch would do it for him.
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1:43:35
Right, thank you John.
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1:43:38
Thank you for that insight.
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1:43:41
And I better go, but thank you very much for having me on.
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1:43:42
I once said to John,
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1:43:45
he was about to stop his wonderful writings on the subject.
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1:43:49
I said, John, one day your writings will be used
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1:43:51
for teaching medical students and they will.
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1:43:53
So keep going, my friend.
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1:43:57
And thank you very much for having me on.
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1:43:58
Andrew, can I just ask you,
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1:44:00
have you seen the film Dopesick?
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1:44:03
I haven't yet, I am very keen to see it.
2129
1:44:03
1:44:05
So I just got myself a television.
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1:44:05
1:44:07
I haven't had a television for a long time.
2131
1:44:07
1:44:09
Have you read The Empire of Pain?
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1:44:12
Which is the book that is based on,
2134
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1:44:15
or I wondered whether it actually was based on that
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1:44:17
and whether they'd taken the opportunity
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1:44:22
to describe the opioid crisis in such a way
2137
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1:44:24
that people would recognise the parallels
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1:44:27
with what's been going on for the past two and a half years.
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1:44:30
It's very, very interesting.
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1:44:31
And it's like nudge, nudge.
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1:44:34
It's an eight part series, I think.
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1:44:36
I can't remember where you can see it,
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1:44:37
but it's absolutely brilliant.
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1:44:38
I've seen two parts of it.
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1:44:41
I must see the other six.
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1:44:42
I will be watching it.
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1:44:43
Absolutely.
2149
1:44:43
1:44:44
Thank you so much.
2150
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1:44:46
Thank you so much for coming.
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1:44:48
We only have been almost two hours.
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1:44:49
Thank you.
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1:44:49
1:44:50
Thank you very much.
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1:44:52
Thank you for organizing.
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1:44:54
God bless you, Andrew.
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1:44:55
God bless.
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1:44:56
Bye bye.