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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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And today's meeting discussion, this community was ignited four years ago by Dr. Stephen
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Frost, a British trained medical doctor with a passion for truth.
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By the way, we have plenty of PhDs here, so people can be doctors without being medical
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So hence, we make that distinction between medical doctor.
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As the season whistleblower and activist Stephen founded this group to champion truth, ethics,
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justice, freedom and health in the face of global challenges.
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At this time, we remember Rainer Fulmick in jail, unlawfully incarcerated by a corrupt
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German government process and a corrupt German court system.
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He's a true fighter for freedom.
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Whatever you can do to shine a light on his plight is much appreciated.
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Keep the dialogue going because clearly talking about Rainer and not ignoring him is and other
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people wrongly incarcerated, including our Dutch lawyer.
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What's his name?
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Alex, can you remember the Dutch guy who's taken on the system?
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He's also been arrested for fighting for his client.
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I'll think of his name.
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Someone put that in the chat.
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I'm Charles Kovash, your moderator.
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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur.
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I wear a red jacket because red is the color of passion to remind you to be passionate,
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just like Marv is very passionate.
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After 20 years as a lawyer, I shifted gears 32 years ago to become a professional speaker,
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amongst other things.
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And for the past 14 years, I've guided parents and lawyers in addressing vaccine injuries
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and medical failures.
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Medical failures are the number one cause of death in America today.
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I'm also chief executive of an industrial hemp company.
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And I say again, hemp is going to be a play a massive part in the future success of humanity.
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A group is a dynamic blend of voices from all sorts of professions and from all around
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the world united in pursuit of truth.
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Many of us once viewed vaccines as benign, as safe, as effective.
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And indeed, people are fighting with me still saying anyone who questions vaccines is an
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Well, we now know what the true situation is.
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And now many of us are passionate anti-vaxxers, including me.
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I'm proud of it.
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And if anyone accuses you of being an anti-vaxxer, please thank them because they've realized
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you're genius.
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First timers, you're warmly embraced.
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Introduce yourself in the chat, share where you're from, and let's connect on a podcast
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book newsletter.
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Drop your links in the chat so we can follow you.
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We're in the thick of a global struggle, World War III, with medical and scientific battles
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among 12 fronts.
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The propaganda battle is another battle front, as is the spiritual battle front.
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We're five and a half years into this fight with more to come, so there's no time for
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you to be tired, no time for you to say, I've had enough of this, bad luck.
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I remind you of William Wilberforce, how long he took to get slavery abolished in the UK.
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30 plus years.
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So stay strong, stay healthy, stay passionate.
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Science is never done.
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It thrives on challenge and inquiry.
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Some here believe in viruses, others see them as fiction, and many are still exploring.
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All views fuel our dialogue.
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And I just heard last week, remember everybody, get worried about the Chikazanga virus.
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How about that, eh?
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Is that sound good?
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Some chicky babies come along.
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We have to make fun of this.
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Laugh at the Chikazanga virus found in China.
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So there you are.
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Our two and a half hour sessions spawn all sorts of initiatives and collaborations.
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After our meeting, Tom Rodman hosts an optional Telegram video chat if you have the time.
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We'll hear from our guest presenter, Alex Craner followed, and Alex is speaking to us
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for the third or fourth time.
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Alex, what is it, third or fourth or fifth?
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I think it's fourth.
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Fourth, beautiful.
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That's great to have you again, followed by Q&A.
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Per tradition, Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes.
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This is a free speech haven, appropriately moderated, to keep ideas flowing.
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Free speech is our weapon to safeguard our human liberties.
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If something offends you, own it.
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We lovingly sidestep the outraged culture and its demands to silence truth.
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Similarly, we sidestep the trigger culture.
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Don't say anything that might trigger somebody.
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We choose love over fear.
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Fear binds and sickens.
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Love liberates, heals and inspires.
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These twice weekly gatherings are far from mere talk.
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They have birthed real world actions and alliances.
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And Alex, we haven't seen you for a while, but we're waiting for someone to announce
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that they got married as a consequence of this, or become lovers as a consequence of
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this meeting.
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So please keep us posted.
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We want to become a dating agency, one of our resources.
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A key tactic in our fight is exposing medical crimes on social media, rallying behind John
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Rappaport's suggested slogan of medical truth now.
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That's what we want, medical truth now.
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This call can unite humanity in a search for accountability.
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And it also, when someone talks about a chikazanga virus, prove it.
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Prove it.
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The shit that they talk, we have to laugh in the face of this nonsense.
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Share solutions, products or resources in the chat.
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Our meetings are recorded and posted on the Rumble channel and the link is in the chat.
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And we're thrilled to again welcome Alex Kraner, our guest presenter for the fourth time and
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for the purposes of the recording.
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I'll do a quick overview of Alex's background.
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Although it is covered in the notes, because if anyone's watching the recording, but some
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people are here who haven't read the invitation and Alex, his Twitter handle is at Naked Hedgy.
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Alex, you might put that in the chat for everybody to follow you.
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He's an author and former hedge fund manager based in Monaco, born and raised in the socialist
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regime of former Yugoslavia under one party communist rule.
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At 17, he joined a student exchange program in the US where he took up his university
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studies.
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From there, he's part of the Switzerland on scholarship where he completed a degree in
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business and economics.
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From Switzerland, he moved to Venezuela where he lived for a year and experienced his first
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banking crisis in 94 when nine of Venezuela's 16 largest banks failed.
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It brought the country's economy to a grinding halt.
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That year, he returned to his native Croatia and joined the military where he served through
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1995 during the last phases of Croatia's war of independence.
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In 96, he took employment at an oil trading company in Monaco.
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One thing led to another and 29 years later, he's still in Monaco.
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In 2020, Alex wound up his hedge funds career and set up a Kraner analytics to provide turnkey
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portfolio solutions and trading decisions support to third party investment managers.
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He's published three books in 2015, Mastering Uncertainty in Commodities Trading.
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It's a free download.
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In 21 and 22, in 2017, he published Grand Deception, the truth about Bill Brown, Magnitsky Act
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and the anti-Russian sanctions, which was properly banned by Amazon.
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So it must have had a lot of truth in it.
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Republished nine months later by Red Pill Press, but properly banned again.
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And in 2020, when he published Alex Kraner's trend following Bible.
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So Alex, well done for being here.
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Well done on your career.
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Well done on all that writing and Stephen Frost, thank you for creating this group over four years ago.
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So let's dive in with open minds and Alex, we're in your proverbial hands, as they say in the classics.
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Can I share my...
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I can't, can't.
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You can.
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Oh, wonderful.
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Beautiful.
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We can see that well.
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Interesting.
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So greetings from Croatia, because that's where I am at the moment.
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And in fact, this is the photograph from where I am.
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I will, you know, given that the war in Ukraine is winding up,
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I thought I'd go through a very, very condensed timeline about how it started.
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Many of you must have heard that it didn't start on 24th February, 2022.
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It started in February of 2014.
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The groundwork had been laid basically since 1991.
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So without further ado, I'll just dive into the timeline.
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So the title of today's presentation, the unprovoked war in Ukraine, a condensed timeline.
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We'll start with war preparations.
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We're now, so we are in about three and a half years into the Russia special military operation in Ukraine.
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And many Westerners continue to refer to it as an unprovoked, illegal and brutal Russian aggression,
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where I find the qualifier brutal, particularly indicative of the Western mindset.
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I suppose it must be used to contrast it with the gentle and kindly wars that Western powers do
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approve of, like the one presently being waged in Gaza, for example, or Lebanon or Sudan or Somalia
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or Syria. But the greater lie about Ukraine is the characterization of the war as unprovoked.
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So today I'll walk you through a very condensed timeline of how the war was orchestrated entirely
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by the Western powers led by Britain and the United States.
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So in 1991, the USSR collapsed and as soon as it did, NATO entered Ukraine to establish
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cooperation. Already in 1995, NATO and armed forces of Ukraine started jointly conducting
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military exercises. By 1997, they signed the Charter of Distinctive Partnership in Madrid
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and set up the Yavorov base as the de facto NATO command center in Ukraine. So that was 1997.
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In 2008, NATO adopted the Bucharest Memorandum affirming that Georgia and Ukraine would become
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NATO members. By 2022, a special military operation, NATO had quadrupled its forces at or near
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Russian borders, the highest concentration of Western forces since Germany's 1941 invasion.
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These forces had been running about 40 military exercises per year in Russia's backyard,
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conducting daily mock attacks against targets inside Russia, often from a distance of less than
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10 miles. The clarion call and lawfare attack which launched the 2014 war. So the clarion
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call for Project Ukraine was launched on 26 September 2013 when Carl Gershman of the National
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Endowment for Democracy published an op-ed in Washington Post calling for Ukraine's accession
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to EU and NATO and declaring that for the United States, quote, Ukraine is the biggest prize,
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unquote. So this is the title of the article I'm referring to. One month later,
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on 30 October 2013, the Obama administration set off the opening salvo by filing an arrest
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warrant in Vienna against one Dmitry Firtash, one of the most powerful Ukrainian oligarchs and
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chief political patron of President Viktor Yanukovych. This may seem a little bit obscure.
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Dmitry Firtash is not a household name, but let's say that if you rewind the clock to US,
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to the early days of the Trump administration, it would be like if a hostile power demanded arrest
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and extradition of Elon Musk, for example. All right. So one month after this,
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no, sorry. So the people who signed this extradition request, who drafted it, were
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Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and Victoria Nuland, all from Obama administration.
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Three days later, on 3 November, Nuland flew to Kiev for a meeting with Yanukovych.
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After their meeting, she declared triumphantly that the quote, the president made it clear that
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Ukraine has made its choice and its choice is for Europe. The very next day, the extradition
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request for Firtash was dropped. So that was the whole point of seeking that extradition. It wasn't
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law, it wasn't order, it wasn't anything else. It was just putting the squeeze on Viktor Yanukovych.
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So that triggers the EU accession struggle and the Euromaidan.
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So the question is, why was it necessary to blackmail president Yanukovych into signing
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onto the EU accession agreement? Because up until that point, everybody thought that this was such a
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desired thing to join this very prestigious club that there was no force needed to be applied.
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You know, there was no force needed to be applied. But as it turns out, the Ukrainians weren't
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unanimously on board. Only a small majority was against it. And the EU accession agreement would
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turn Ukraine into an EU colony. It came at a cost of $160 billion and it included 1,000 pages of EU
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directives that Ukraine would have to comply with plus any future directives. It was also
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including dismantling almost completely trade and commerce agreements with Russia.
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So Ukrainians would have no say in what the EU might demand. So the accession agreement amounted
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to basically a comprehensive surrender of the nation's sovereignty. The EU offered no help
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in coming up with the $160 billion in funding. And the IMF only offered a small amount of about
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$4 billion with extremely extortionate strings attached. So on 21 November 2013,
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Prime Minister Nikolai Azarov suspended the preparations for the signing of the association
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agreement, stating that the IMF conditions were far too harsh. One week later on 28 November
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in Vilnius at the European Union Eastern Partnership Summit, Yanukovych asked for further
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discussion. So he didn't decline to sign the accession agreement. He said that Ukraine couldn't
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fund it, that they couldn't pay for it, that they needed help and that as it was drafted,
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it was impossible for Ukraine to sign it. As a reminder, this was the event that Western press
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almost unanimously interpreted as Yanukovych being on Vladimir Putin's remote control and that
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Ukraine wanted to join the European Union and that the Russians were preventing them from doing so
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and that it was essentially a proxy fight between the EU and Russia where Ukraine was going to join
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this highly developed prestigious group where human rights, democracy, law and order ruled
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and this dark authoritative dictatorship Russia kept the Ukrainians from moving in that direction.
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All right, so moving on. Once Yanukovych declined to sign the deal in Vilnius,
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as it was, Euromaidan protests took off exactly the next day, almost as if somebody had prepared
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them. But the way they began wasn't the way exactly how we heard it in the media. So
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the protest started with about 300 students who came to camp out at the Euromaidan Square
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in central Kiev and then on the very next day, during the night, these students were
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encouraged to spend the night. They were told to stay there and a compromised leader of
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Viktor Yanukovych's administration sent armed thugs to attack them,
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obviously with the media, with cameras rolling and everything. So this was recorded and it was
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on all the media in Ukraine and abroad the very next day and so then the protests swelled to 10,000
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and more. And they lasted for weeks and weeks until February 2014.
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On the 4th of February is when we had that conversation between Victoria Nuland and
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US ambassador in Kiev, Piatt, when Victoria Nuland said that Yats, Arsen Yatsenyuk was their guy
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and when she said fuck the EU. On the 7th February 2014 we had the Sochi Olympics,
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which is when the distractions begin for Russian government and so the violence started to escalate.
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On the 20th February negotiations between Viktor Yanukovych and the opposition were orchestrated,
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with the participation of representatives from France, Germany, Poland and Russia.
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But as the talks were ongoing, rooftop snipers
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from some 20 locations shot into the crowds and assassinated about 80 protesters and police.
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The killings were widely and immediately attributed to Yanukovych's security forces,
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but subsequent investigations showed conclusively that they were organized by the neo-Nazi elements
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of the opposition. On the same day of those negotiations, President Obama called Putin,
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asking him for help to calm the situation down and to support the U.S. military.
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The U.S. was in the process of supporting negotiations and the constitutional process of
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government. At the same time that Obama was calling Putin, Biden was calling Yanukovych.
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What Biden was doing at that moment was he tried to pressure Yanukovych to disband his security
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services, which Yanukovych did because he basically, during those negotiations, he was
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under intense pressure over these rooftop sniper killings and basically he yielded on all points.
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He just simply gave the opposition everything that they asked for. So given that this agreement with
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the opposition was signed off and backed by the high representative of European countries like
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Poland, France and Germany, Yanukovych felt okay, the crisis is over, I lost, but
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I don't need the security forces anymore, everything is settled.
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Keep going.
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All right, so someone had, keep going.
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So he actually did dismiss his security apparatus and as soon as he did, armed opposition stormed
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key government buildings, the parliament presidential palace and Yanukovych's own residence.
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So five days later, Ukraine's Rump Parliament under duress approved of the new government,
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which was handpicked by Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Pyatt.
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Ukrainian parliament approved the new government under duress and at that point, the United States,
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the EU and the United Nations immediately recognized the new government as legitimate.
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So the same day, Russia secured Crimea on 16th March of 2014. Again, that was a mistake as well.
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So the population of Crimea holds referendum. They overwhelmingly vote in favor of joining Russia
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and on 18th March, Russia recognizes Crimea as part of the Russian Federation.
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So now the next phase of the conflict takes off, which I would call
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Nazifying and weaponizing Ukraine. So, Nazification, the Junta's very first degree
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decree was banning Russian language from schools, government and media.
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Also, they declared World War II era Nazi collaborators as heroes of Ukraine
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and denying their heroism was made a criminal offense.
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The representatives of the neo-Nazi parties like Oleg Tjaniubok of Svoboda Party,
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Dmitry Yarosh of the Right Sector, Andrei Shkilov of the UNA-UNSO and Andrei Bilecki of the Azov
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Battalion were given disproportionate power with key government posts, including ministries of
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internal security, military, agriculture and education. CIA's John Brennan deployed dozens
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of special units of the CIA and the FBI to set up security structures to defend and stabilize
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the new regime. Policing of areas under Kiev's control was turned over to some 30 neo-Nazi
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battalions who kicked off a reign of terror against the ethnic Russians. By 13th March 2014,
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the Junta started dispatching military convoys to the south and east of Ukraine where the people
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were protesting against the Junta. Under pressure from the IMF and with Brennan's go-ahead,
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the Junta launched a very brutal anti-terror operation,
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which escalated to a full civil war after the Odessa massacre which took place on 2 May 2014.
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On that occasion, at least 116 people were killed, 46 of whom were burnt alive. Unofficial count was
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as high as 200 casualties. In the massacres aftermath, there was not a word of condemnation
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from any Western official. To the contrary, Kiev was being excused and Obama's UN Ambassador
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Samantha Power even lauded Kiev's remarkable, almost unimaginable restraint. And so all over
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southern and eastern Ukraine, massacres continued and by mid-July 2014, well over 2,000 ethnic
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Russians were killed. On 11th May 2014, Donetsk and Lugansk held independence referendums
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and people overwhelmingly voted for independence from Ukraine.
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As soon as the results were announced, the breakaway republics declared independence,
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kicking off the following 8 years of frozen conflict during which the armed forces of Ukraine
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continued to launch artillery shells and missiles into the towns and cities of Donbass,
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killing as many as 14,000 people, most of them civilians.
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During this time, NATO was busy training up 10,000 troops a year for 8 consecutive years,
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deploying them immediately to Donbass in preparation for the future conflict.
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In 2014, the armed forces of Ukraine counted 121,500 troops. By 2020, the number reached 311,000.
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Along with reserve forces, Ukraine's military swelled to some 800,000 troops, or if you ask
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Volodymyr Zelensky to 1.1 million. Meanwhile, the US Department of Defense set up 48 biolabs
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along the borders with Russia and Ukraine, which is pretty much what Victoria Nuland owned up to
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at her August 2022 testimony in the Senate. The CIA also set up a dozen listening stations
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along Russia's borders. In addition to this, there was an open nuclear threat made against Russia.
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In February 2022, the armed forces of Ukraine escalated artillery
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and military strikes
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against Donbass, and the armed forces of Ukraine prepared the operation to take Crimea by force.
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Zelensky announced that Ukraine would deploy nuclear missiles against Russia, which was a threat.
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The Biden administration corroborated in direct talks with Vladimir Putin and
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Sergey Lavrov, affirming that the United States reserved the rights to install
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anti-ballistic missile launch facilities in Ukraine near Russia's borders. That fact alone
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would deprive Russia of her nuclear deterrence and represent a strategic defeat and potentially
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an existential threat to the nation. Alex, you've muted yourself, I think.
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Alex, you've muted still.
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Sorry, I don't know how I did that. Anyway, the thing that's kind of interesting to point out is
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that the escalation towards war in Ukraine started almost as soon as Biden took office in the United
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States. Then by February 2022, Ukraine's artillery and missile attack against Donbass increased
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30-fold. This is the graph of those attacks by OSCE observers. As you can see, they go from
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fewer than 50 on 14 February to more than 1,400 by the 18th and 21st and 22nd of February.
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Basically, that is that. The point I would like to underscore is that for anyone who still thinks
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that Russia's special military operation in 2022 was unprovoked, all they have to do is a simple
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mental exercise. Suppose that the roles were reversed and all this took place along the U.S.
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border with Mexico, with Russians training up Mexican troops and deploying them along Texas,
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Arizona or California borders, setting up biolabs, spy stations and missile launch facilities
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aimed at targets within the United States. Can the picture get any more straightforward than that?
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We should count ourselves lucky that this conflict wasn't escalated into a nuclear war,
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largely thanks to Vladimir Putin for his restraint and the American people for ridding humanity of
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the pathological monstrous autopen administration. Thank you for your attention to this matter,
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as Trump would say. With that, I would, I think, open the Q&A session and commentary from the
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participants. Alex, wonderful, wonderful analysis. It's great to have you go through that because I
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keep reading material about this and I thought, gosh, I just want to spend some time, you saved me
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time researching that, so I put that back into my head. What was the name of that
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before Yanukovych? Yulia Timoshenko, wasn't it? Timoshenko. That's a,
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what's ever happened to her, number one. We'll go to Stephen in a moment. And number two,
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the question I want to put in everybody's head is this reporting. When I look at journalists' ethics
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theoretically, you know, journalists talk about their ethics to report two sides of an argument
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and they clearly don't. And the question I want to put and we'll talk about later is what do we do
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about mainstream media that reports one side of anything? But come back to Yulia Timoshenko,
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who was, I think, the PM before Yanukovych, is that correct? Yeah, at some point she was. I don't
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know exactly when, but yeah, she was the prime minister maybe exactly before he took office,
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but I'm not 100% sure. She's still there. She's very marginal and she's still vying for power.
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She'd like to become the next president or prime minister, but that doesn't look very likely.
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And the other observation I make is that there's a new, that hemp, industrial hemp is going
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gangbusters in the west of Ukraine. There's a new $30 million hemp processing facility set up in the
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west. So it's very interesting. I've got some colleagues doing some work there in the southwest
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corner, for those of you who know my Hungarian roots. We used to be part of Hungary for
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many centuries, so it's a matter close to Hungary's heart as well. So thank you for that
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masterful overview so that to anyone who says that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked
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is again ignorant and now we are all more, now we are all less ignorant. So Stephen, the next 15
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minutes are yours, buddy. Yeah, thanks so much Alex for that great talk. I think I heard you
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saying about, so I was amazed when you said that the day that Russia took the Crimea was also the
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day or very near the day of the Kiev coup. Is that right? How did they get Russia to move so quickly
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on Crimea? And why would Russia move so quickly? And how would they be ready? I don't understand that.
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Oh, they were paying close attention. They knew exactly what was going on.
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Ah, okay. Yeah, they knew exactly what was going on. So they didn't waste time. They knew that
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NATO's objective, well, you know, this is something that's been going on for 200 years.
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Western powers want to evict Russia from access to all warm water ports. And, you know, there was
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open talk about kicking Russia out of Sevastopol and taking over Crimea and turning the Black Sea
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into a NATO lake in the middle of Western Eurasia. So the Russians knew and, you know, they had a
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lease deal with Ukraine where they accepted that Ukraine had belonged to, sorry, that Crimea
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belonged to Ukraine, but they had something like a 99-year lease so that they could continue using
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the naval bases there and have access to warm water ports. They knew that once the United States
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installed the coup regime, that they were going to kick them out of Crimea. So, you know, they
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didn't take any chances. They immediately secured all the key points on the peninsula, you know,
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the government buildings, the police stations, military bases, and so forth, so that they
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couldn't overrun them. And then they ran a referendum, which was not the first referendum,
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by the way, you know. They also had a referendum in 1991. And even then, you know, it was very
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clear that the greater than 90% of all people living in Crimea wanted to join Russia. When
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the Soviet Union fell apart, they didn't want to remain part of Ukraine.
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So, Alex, they had, you're saying that they had obviously contingency plans because Crimea was
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absolutely vital to Russia for the warm water ports, is that right?
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Yes, yes, correct.
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The Black Sea, and the only other warm water port that they've got in the west of Russia is, of
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course, Mermansk, is that right?
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Mermansk.
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Mermansk.
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In northern Russia.
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Yeah, that's the north, yeah.
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Yeah, but it's still warm water. It's ice-free, isn't it?
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I think it's ice-free, yeah.
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I don't know if it's, what, the whole year, the whole year round?
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I think so, because North Cape is pretty near to Mermansk, and North Cape is definitely ice-free.
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I think Mermansk is as well, or at least it's very thin ice, you know, they can just
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smash their way through.
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But anyway, so, yeah, so Crimea was absolutely vital to Russia, so they probably had contingency
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plans. That's why they were able to move so quickly. That's what I meant. How would they
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get themselves organised?
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So what I meant was, how did they manage to get themselves organised so quickly, you know,
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and move so quickly?
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Yeah, I think that they had their contingency plans already in place.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And that they, you know, they expected these developments, because, you know, there was
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already, there was a lot of these issues were bobbing around and floating for many years,
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you know, there was already NATO in Ukraine since 1991, basically. They already had a
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colour revolution in 2003. That succeeded, but the government that they installed failed.
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That was, oh gosh, I forget the guy's name, the one, the one that had the,
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the deformed face because of a poisoning with
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dioxins.
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Victor, also Victor, but I forget his last name now. Anyway, they took over and then
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he ran a government that was so extremely unpopular that eventually it fell and it
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lost power to Yanukovych.
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But anyway, you know, the Russians knew that the West was playing this game and then
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this game has been going on in various forms and reincarnations for more than 200 years.
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It's always been the same thing, trying to push Russia back from the Mediterranean
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and from the Persian Gulf and from the Far East in the past.
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So right in the middle of the COVID pandemic in inverted commas, along, you know, to those who
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hadn't been following what had been happening in Ukraine and Russia, this was a big surprise and,
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and all of a sudden there's a full blown war between Ukraine and Russia, which I didn't
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think at the time was full blown. But anyway, people convinced me it was a terrible war,
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you know, well, they didn't convince me, but they were saying, here's a terrible war.
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I've got pictures to prove it, you know, and I hadn't seen any battle pictures myself.
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I hadn't been looking for them admittedly, but I just thought it would be on the mainstream
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news, but I didn't see that much. And so I just, I just wonder, Alex, so they were asking us to
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believe that, you know, Ukraine could defeat Russia, which is still, you know, even after
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the collapse of the Soviet Union, which had 8 million square miles, I think they still had
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6 million square miles, like 6.5 million, I think in, as Russia, they lost some states, of course.
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I think the biggest was the one in the south. I can't even remember the name of the state.
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Kazakhstan.
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Kazakhstan is absolutely huge. I think almost a million square miles, but I don't think it is
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a million, but it's nearly there. And I just wonder, did they need the cover? So did they,
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so NATO, they were fixed on Ukraine. So did they need the cover of a worldwide,
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worldwide confusion, if you like, with the COVID-19 pandemic, because it was bad enough with the COVID
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pandemic and all of a sudden there was the Ukraine war and there were within a week of the declaration
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of that war, or the beginning of it, there were Ukrainian flags in North Wales gardens.
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I have never seen any flags in gardens in the UK previously, not even the British, but they were
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Ukrainian flags. It was that bad. So that was the propaganda. And of course the censorship. So did
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they need the cover of COVID-19 to actually essentially goad Russia to attack?
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I don't know, Stephen, that's a very good question. And I assume that the answer is
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no, but I think that, you know, these people think themselves so clever. They might have
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taken that into their formula because their timeline for launching this war was very, very
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specific. I think that they were talking about end of 2021 and early 2022. And we know that because
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Volodymyr Zelensky's chief advisor, Oleg Sierestovich gave an interview
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to Ukrainian media, but in that interview, he pretty much laid it out that, hey, you know,
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this was before the war. He was, we're going to go to war against Russia. And our job is to
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help the West destroy Russia and, you know, NATO is going to become involved. And then, you know,
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if we win that war, we get accepted into NATO. So he laid out all those plans. Of course, you know,
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those plans were not necessarily plans. That was the narrative which was meant to induce the junta
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to start the war, which is, you know, pretty much a suicidal mission. But there was this
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elite group of people in Ukraine who thought that by getting the shitshow on the road,
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would somehow put them into the driver's seat, you know, that they would all
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put them into the driver's seat, you know, that they would all have houses in London and New York
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and take their wives shopping to Paris and, you know, things like this. So it is entirely
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possible that the pandemic was supposed to prepare the groundwork in some way, you know, maybe by
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having people already kind of under the spell of mass formation psychosis. Absolutely. So that they,
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you know, reacted extra emotionally to things. And then, you know, when the stories about Russian
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attack came out, it was very highly emotional. And then if you remember, four days after the Russians
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launched the special military operations, they immediately started the negotiations with the
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Ukrainians. And then to derail the negotiations, they sent Boris, didn't they? Well, yeah, but
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before Boris went there, the Butcha massacre was staged. And then, you know, they made maximum
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emotional impact from that massacre. And then Boris Johnson was able to say, well, you know,
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these are war criminals, we do not negotiate with war criminals, fight it out, we got your back,
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don't sign any kind of a peace agreement. And so the war continued for the next three,
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three and a half years. So I felt at the time, Alex, they, you know, we're already destabilized,
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even I was destabilized by, by, or especially me, but maybe by what was happening in the COVID
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pandemic, which wasn't a pandemic. And then all of a sudden, we got this Russia Ukraine war.
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And then the next thing we've got in Britain, they were panicking people by talking about
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energy prices rising because of Russia's involvement in that war. And a simple Google
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check showed that Russia only supplied 2% of the energy to the UK. So it was always ridiculous,
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what the BBC was saying, that that's why people had to accept these huge energy rises in the UK,
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they doubled overnight. Right. Yes. But you know, the general public usually doesn't know
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all that nuance, you know, so and the media don't bother explaining the context, you know,
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all they, all they do is they try to shape public opinion. Yeah, but it was a lie.
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As you could see by the appearance of Ukraine flags in people's backyards, front yards,
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absolutely. And you mentioned a detail, well, an important detail for the people who lost their
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lives, the people at the Odessa massacre, who were burned alive, as you said, so I think 48 was it or
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4046, and why were they burned alive? And how, how was that achieved? Okay, so this was a, this was
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prepared in advance. Basically, there was a football game between Odessa and I think Levov,
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or one of the clubs from Western Ukraine. And so Western Ukraine is where you have a particularly
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strong neo Nazi tendencies. And so busloads of these football fans came to Odessa for this game.
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And some of these paramilitary thugs under, under
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Kolomoisky, one of the, you know, the oligarch that was, that was,
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who was the political patron to Vladimir Zelensky, but this was before Zelensky's time.
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So Kolomoisky sent them to stage a provocation by shooting at the, they shot at the football fans
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of this Western Europe, Western Ukrainian club. And then they told them, oh, you know, the people
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who shot at you, they ran over there and they send them towards the trade union building in the center
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of Odessa. But what was happening in front of the trade union building in Odessa is that people who
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were protesting the junta in Kiev had a, not a protest, they had, they had tables laid out
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and they were, you know, they were giving away pamphlets to, to, you know, explaining why the
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coup was unconstitutional, you know, kind of trying to share factual information with the people
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passing by. And as the football fans were coming at them, other agent provocateurs pretending that
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they wanted to help, warned the people who were there that these thugs were coming out for them
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and that they should run into the trade union building to take cover. And so a lot of those
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people did, and then they bought, they threw Molotov cocktails in there because they trapped
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them in there. There was no, you know, they went into the building and they had no other way out.
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And so people who tried to run out through the front door, they got shot.
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And people who didn't, they burnt alive. And so this was staged by, on purpose, and this is done,
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let's say, when you want to cause, when you want to cause a war, you stage massacres
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because it elicits a very emotional reaction from people. And this is done, you know, this is done
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routinely, you know, this happens again and again and again. And basically what they will do is they
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will orchestrate groups of basically thugs and pay them to perpetrate an atrocity. And they will
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usually do it, well, almost invariably, they will do it in front of cameras. They will bring
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journalists with cameras and then it'll go everywhere in the news. And then, you know,
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you polarize the situation in the country. And then, you know, people are ready to fight.
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People get very, very scared and then they're ready to fight. And so I think that the whole point of
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this was to trigger a civil war, to trigger violent reactions on the part of, you know,
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the ethnic Russians resisting the junta, to be able to justify a violent crackdown on the part
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of the Kiev regime. Yeah. So did, yes. So who was in the building? Were they the Western Ukrainian
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Nazis? No, no, no. The people who went to hide in the building were ethnic Russians from Odessa.
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The people who pursued them were right wing neo-Nazi thugs who were tasked with this.
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The football hooligans were just used as a scare prop. So essentially they were trying to goad the
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people in eastern Ukraine to fight a civil war against Western Ukraine. Is that right?
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That's right. That's right. They wanted to provoke them to react violently so that the Kiev junta
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could justify a violent crackdown against them. Understood. That's very important.
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The detail that is not widely appreciated, in fact, it's practically not known at all,
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is that the anti-terror operation was practically ordered by the IMF. Yeah. So Newland and her cronies
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were essentially planning a war, they were planning to goad Russia into a war with Ukraine
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and then to keep things going in Ukraine, they actually caused a civil war. Is that right? Or
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they were trying to? They wanted to take Donbas under their control. Yes. And the reason for that
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is that Donbas is 80% of Ukraine's GDP. Yes, but it's also dominated by- Energy, resources, and
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steel and a lot of military industries. And so in terms of preparations for war, Donbas was very
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important, but also in terms of funding the war because Donbas was what paid the bills for Ukraine.
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So if you wanted to prepare for war, you also needed a lot of money. And if you had
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all those natural resources and all those industries, that was good collateral against
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which to issue loans to Ukraine. So the IMF said, we're going to back you, we're going to issue you
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loans, but you have to take control of the whole entire country. And then you had a lot of Western
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officials who were flying in and out of Kiev at that time, in particular, John Brennan,
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Joe Biden, the former Swedish Prime Minister, Carl Bildt,
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What was he doing there?
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Poland, sorry? What was he doing there?
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I don't know. He visited Kiev seven times in the run-up, in the immediate run-up to the
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anti-terror operations. Carl Bildt is a card-carrying fascist. Well, he's hiding the card,
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but by his conduct over decades, over decades, he was very active in the Balkans as well,
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30 years ago. He's an absolute fascist.
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He's what? Pro-fascist. So he's anti-Russian then?
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Well, he's anti-Russian, but he's definitely a fascist in his mindset, in his activity,
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and always against, well, he's basically a colonialist, imperialist.
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I don't know what to call that. The Romans called these people the equestrian class.
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They were not necessarily part of the oligarchy, but they were part of the managerial class that
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takes care of business.
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Yeah, and Carl Bildt shared an office with Lars Johansson.
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David, there's 20 minutes now.
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Yes, I nearly finished, Charles. So,
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Carl Bildt shared an office with whom?
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With Lars Johansson, who's on our calls quite a lot. So Lars offered Carl Bildt space,
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and I think he was there for three years when Carl Bildt lost the premiership.
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One last question. The 48 biolabs you mentioned, have you got any news on those?
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Because the Russians were doing an investigation into them, last I heard.
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Is that true?
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The what?
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The 48 biolabs.
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The Russians have done a lot of investigations. They've published a whole bunch of reports about
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that. Victoria Newland was asked by Marco Rubio about this, and she owned up that there were 48
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biolabs that came out of her mouth. The Russians probably know a whole lot more than we know.
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Remember the general who was in charge of all those investigations, he got assassinated by
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the Ukrainians. He was on their Miro Tvorets' kill list, and they did take him out. But they
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took him out. There's other people. We're going to know more. We're going to know more with time,
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but they definitely were working those biolabs there. I think that those biolabs were involved
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with the pandemic, with the corona pandemic. A very interesting thing that happened is the Russians
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produced the Sputnik V vaccine. The oligarch who owned some pharmacy in Ukraine,
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who got the license from the Russians to produce and distribute this vaccine for
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Ukraine, was Viktor Medvedchuk. Viktor Medvedchuk was going to offer the Russian vaccine to Ukraine.
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As soon as Joe Biden came to power, I think on the 12th or 13th day of his first term,
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only term, he called Zelensky. One of the things that happened almost immediately is they cracked
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down on Viktor Medvedchuk and his party and his media companies. Then ultimately they cracked down
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on him personally. They arrested him and they confiscated all of his assets, including this
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pharmaceutical company. They tore up their license agreement with the Russians and they turned
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Ukraine into a monopoly market for the Western vaccine manufacturers.
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That's in spite of the fact that the effectiveness of the Russian vaccine wasn't in dispute at all.
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This was just plain mafia style dealing with the adversaries.
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Thank you Alex. Go ahead Charles. Great series of questions. I know Stephen you could go for
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another hour asking questions, but anyway we've got to move on. Good job Alex. I'm really quite
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encouraged why the World Economic Forum has not been in the press. We might talk about that later.
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We've got lots of hands up so we go to them first. Mark.
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Hey Alex, I want to ask you about MH17. I spent three years looking at everything written and
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spoken about that crash. I'll just give you one factoid. Several months before MH17,
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came down, the Dutch suspended billions in financing of West Bank settlements.
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There's so many factoids connecting the Mossad, the CIA, the NATO intelligence agencies to that
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crash. Did you look at MH17 in the lead up to the Maidan catastrophe and the war?
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I did Marv. Thank you for the question. Well, I looked into that at the time and after looking at
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it for a little while, I came to the conclusion that 100% it was a false flag operation by
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Western intelligence agencies. Whether it was Mossad or MI6 or the CIA, I can't really say.
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They often cooperate. They often work together. But it was intended to frame the Russians.
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It was intended to unite the world behind Ukraine against the Russians,
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to demonize Russia and particularly Vladimir Putin as harshly as possible.
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Russians had nothing to do with it. At that point, I kind of let the story go because I knew that
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justice wouldn't be done. The Western investigation wouldn't arrive at anything
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other than what they wanted to arrive at. That's the conclusion that Russians were behind
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it and that we all need to come together and kill Russia and the world will be a better place.
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Another interesting factoid is the Burt exhaust trail for that missile.
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The exhaust trail can be seen for about 20 miles and the roar from that engine can be
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heard for about five miles. Nobody, not a witness of the Burke missile exhaust trail or the sound of
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a Burke missile going up. Not one single witness. There was also a strange controversy with some
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Spanish guy who worked for a flight control in Kiev. There was also the fact that
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Ukrainian airspace should have been avoided by all the airlines because there was a risk
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of an accidental shooting down of a plane. This plane was pretty much tricked into flying across
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Ukraine but we never learned how and by whom. This guy who was the flight control
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operative, I think he just kind of vanished at some point.
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Anyway, there were kind of like with 9-11, there were too many unanswered questions
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and a lot of them are very obvious. Then rather than answering those questions,
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they just say like, oh, you're a Russian propagandist.
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All right. Thanks, Marv. Good reminder of stuff that happens, isn't it? Very interesting. Jerry.
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Yeah. Hi Alex. I think it's important to point out that in effect, this was not a war. This is
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special military operation and that's why Putin went in. Nobody really knows but he told him about
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70,000 troops or something like that. He had no intentions of taking Ukraine. His intentions were
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the ones that he specified, which were the de-Nazification, I could never say that word,
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the de-militarization, the protection of the Donbass and Lugansk and the fact that
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Ukraine would not enter into NATO. I think that should be kept in mind that it was a special
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military operation and it was limited. People who don't understand the difference between that and
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the war will say that it makes no difference. But to the mind of somebody like Putin, who is
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in effect a solicitor and a very, very legal, legally minded person, the difference between
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a war and a special military operation is of paramount importance. I think that must be kept
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in mind. The other point I'd make would that phone call from Victoria Newland where she specified that
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the coup d'etat had cost $5 billion to date and she didn't give a fuck about what the Europeans
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thought. They were her words. That again should be kept in mind. My question to you would be,
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I would love to hear your potted history, given that you're listed in the Croatian Army. I'd love
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to hear your potted history on the Yugoslavia and the breakup, Croatia, Serbia, Herzegovina. I would
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love to hear your perspective on that because it's relatively easy to understand what went on
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in Ukraine for those of us who bother our hearts to read up on it. But the whole thing of
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Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, all that is much more difficult. Of course, it's 30 years old.
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It's 30 years old, pretty much. It's harder to understand. I would love you to come back and
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give a potted history from a Croatian's point of view on that. Thank you, Jerry. I would love to
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do that at some point. At the moment, I'm in the process of reading a book by Carol Hodge. She's a
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British journalist and author. The title of the book is Britain and the Balkans, 1991 until the
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present. That's the title of the book. That book is hugely revealing. I have to confess that I
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participated in the war in the 1990s in Croatian Army. But when you're in the war, you don't
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necessarily understand the broader context of the fight that you're in. It's always that metaphor
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about somebody putting 100 red ants and 100 black ants into the jar and then shaking it up.
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When you're inside of the jar, something shook it up and then the black ants and the red ants
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start killing each other. They know everything about the killing of the other side and the war
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and everything that happens. But they're not necessarily aware of who shook up the jar. They're
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not even aware that they're in a jar. I started realizing this much, much later when the war was
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already over. There are still many aspects of it because back then we didn't have social media.
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We knew what we knew from the press, from the TV and from the radio, and then other things
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how do you call it? From the rumor mill. But the problem with the rumor mill is that
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there's no link to source. Somebody tells you, well, this is what happened and you think like,
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wow, that's interesting, but I have no idea whether it's true or not.
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1:08:53
I'm still piecing that one together. But yeah, for sure it was,
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as always, it was the British foreign policy establishment who was shaking the jar.
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The Americans usually are dragging their feet behind that and they're only invited into the
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process when there's a need to apply blunt force, when you need to bring the carrier strike groups
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and start bombing the crap out of somebody. That's when the Americans come in. But all the
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intricate secret diplomacy, spy work, intelligence agencies, non-government organizations,
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1:09:41
private contractors, hundreds upon hundreds of private contractors that have a role in the
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process, that usually happens years in advance and it's practically all directed from London.
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1:09:55
It's usually the British council, the foreign office and the MI6 in coordination. Then they
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work with the CIA, with the National Endowment for Democracy, similar think tanks, NGOs and so forth.
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But that's all happening outside of the jar. For us who got shook up,
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it's a project to work out exactly what happened, how and why.
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1:10:29
Yeah. My understanding of it, which is flimsy, was that again, it was an effort to destabilize
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Russia. In effect, Ukraine is almost a follow on from the efforts in Central Europe to destabilize,
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driven on by the same people, the neocons and that.
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1:10:58
Yes, exactly. You see now, you have the British agents, British foreign office, British council,
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a whole bunch of NGOs. They're extremely active in Bosnia to the point that they're very visible
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by now. Everybody realized that Sarajevo is chock full of Brits. If you read reports by Rusi,
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1:11:23
Royal United Services Institute, they're saying that Balkans will be the second front in West's
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1:11:33
war against Russia. They say that this is inevitable. Getting that war going is
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the kind of work that we don't understand exactly, but they do. They have playbooks written about it.
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And I think one of the ways that they do it is that they do orchestrate these massacres,
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like in Buccia, like in Odessa, like on the Euromaidan. Back in 1993, I think,
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we had something similar like Buccia happen in the, it's called Ahmichi in Bosnia. Why? Because
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there was an alliance between Croats and Muslims against the Serbs.
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And this alliance was starting to become very effective on the military battlefields.
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And the Brits were very vexed about this and they wanted to break up that alliance.
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1:12:34
So there was this massacre. First, there was a smaller one where some Muslims killed a bunch of
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Croats. And then there was a bigger one where a bunch of Croats killed some Muslims in this village
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of Ahmichi. And as it turned out, it was all orchestrated by the British Special Services and
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MI6. And they had the BBC crews on the spot at the right place at the right time to record
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the massacre. I mean, not the massacre actually taking place, but the very immediate aftermath.
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And so these things do happen and they're being done on purpose. And I think that
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if we're not very careful, we might sleepwalk into another war in the Balkans.
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1:13:28
Sorry, can I just ask one last question? What's your advice on wealth preservation?
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1:13:30
On what?
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Wealth preservation, yeah. A lighter thing of less relevance.
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I would say-
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Gold miners or-
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Jerry, I would say physical gold and silver.
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A farmland network with your local community, your people living in your local community,
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1:14:02
that's extremely important. And well, basically, whatever purchasing power you can preserve
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through the process of this crisis unraveling, you will have a buyer's market for assets
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in the aftermath when the crisis is over.
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1:14:17
Jerry, I've told you the answer to that question.
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I know. I know. You're trying to sell me a machine for-
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When we had dinner, Jerry.
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Yeah. Anyway, there's no way we could let a manager like Alex Craner away
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1:14:36
without asking him some financial questions. That would be remiss. That would be positively
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negligent to let him away with that. I follow you, Alex. And I totally agree with you, I think,
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on 90% of things, perhaps not on COVID. Well, maybe we agree on COVID. I'm a medical doctor
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who was suspended from a refusal.
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I know. I know that.
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I know that, yes.
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So that we have different perspectives, but we end up in the same place, I think, 90% of the time.
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Thank you.
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Sorry. That's a very good suggestion from Jerry. I think that we would really like,
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I would really like you to speak about the breakup of the former Yugoslavia.
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But are you saying that you're not ready to do it at the moment?
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. I think it'll be, you know, my investigation has to come
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full circle, which will take me probably a few months.
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Okay, let me know when you're ready to do that. Very important.
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Sure. Okay.
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Because I've never heard anyone talking about that.
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Yeah, read Carol's book, maybe. Stephen, do some reading. Me too. Looks good.
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Siobhan's put the link into the chat, everybody. Alex, just while Jack is asking me…
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But Alex may not agree with it, though, that's the point.
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Alex, if you can put your second book, which you've shared with us…
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Oh, yeah, Grand Deception.
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If you can put the link into that while Jack asks his question, if that's convenient so
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that people can download it, then that would be useful for people who haven't yet downloaded it.
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Okay, well, let me find it.
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Yeah, Jack, thank you, Jerry. Jack, over to you. Here's your question for Alex.
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You're muted, Jack.
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I don't think he's that…
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Okay, we'll go to Anders.
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Anders, hello, Alex. Great presentation. I think I would say it looks truthful, all of it.
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I know Ukraine from about 40 visits and almost 30 years in Poland, so I know
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a lot about what you presented. What I would say and ask you is that it appears to me to be
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omitting a lot of details which are less rosy for the Russian side. So,
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so you know about Polodymyr, you know about the history of the Tsars who were forbidding the use
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of the Ukraine language. So there's a lot of history. There's a story about Novorussia,
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which Putin always continued to want to take back, which is basically the eastern part of Russia,
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the Ukraine. So I think there is more to the story to it. And I wonder, do you consider
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that you have a bias in this or are you omitting it? Or let's say there are also
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another side to the story which you don't tell. Well, the title of my presentation was a condensed
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timeline. So, you know, going back to the Tsarist period and talking about the Ukrainian language
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and whether Vladimir Putin intended to take back eastern parts of Russia and Novorossiya and so
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forth. You know, if I was going to make my presentation a 10-hour long one, maybe I could
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have included all that, but a lot of that is very, very disputable. What I gave you are
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indisputable facts. Ukrainian language is something that isn't really a language. That is,
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you know, it's a dialect from a certain region of western Poland that has been raised to the status
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of a language during the Soviet Union. Ukraine as a state never really existed before it had
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been designated so by Austria-Hungary for their own geopolitical pretensions. British
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government archives do not even have a single mention of Ukraine as a state until the late 1800s.
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Kiev is never mentioned as a capital of anything. It's only mentioned as a Russian city. We're
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talking up until late 1800s. Not a single mention of Ukraine as a state, not a single mention of
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Kiev as anything other than a Russian city. So a lot of these questions that you bring up have been
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invented and contrived by western interests that has been biased with the desire
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to subjugate Russia, to partition it, to balkanize it and to take control of its resources.
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That struggle is going on since
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1600s at least. It's been Poland, it's been Sweden, it's been Germany, it's been France,
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Ukraine, but it's always basically western bankers that are funding these military misadventures.
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It's never the Russians who are pushing west to conquer Germany, to conquer France, to conquer
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Britain. It's always the westerners who are pushing to destroy Russia. Even the language,
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the Russians aren't talking about destroying France and partitioning it or Germany or Sweden
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or Britain or the United States or anybody. They want to be left alone, but the west has been
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continuously sending armies on Russia since the 1600s at the very least and they never stopped
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and they never will stop. If it isn't armies then it's NGOs, it's open society institutes,
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it's color revolution schemes and plans. Sometimes they're successful, other times they're not
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successful. Then I don't feel that I have to balance my views because the other side you get
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in your mainstream media every day 24-7 ad nauseam. You see you need to balance it because you need to
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understand the history. He chooses not to understand this, he's just saying. He's extremely biased.
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Anders, one question. Is anything I said factually wrong? That's what I'm interested in.
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If it's factually wrong, I'm happy to be enlightened. I'll check and I'll correct my bias.
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But if you're just telling me to balance my views for the sake of having a balanced view,
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no thank you.
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You omit so many facts that you don't get the story.
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You did.
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I understand in the presentation titled a condensed timeline of the conflict. Of course I omit many
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facts. If I included all the facts about everything this conversation could go on for two years.
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But you omit so much.
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Anders, you're destroying this group. You're having a good go at destroying this group.
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So I'm only interested in the truth.
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Nonsense, Anders.
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Present your truth. I'm happy to hear it.
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He hasn't got any. He's also selective truth. Alex, one question before we go to Dave.
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1:23:55
The issue of territory is very interesting. I just pointed out to people that Hungary lost
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two thirds of its territory at the Treaty of Versailles after World War I. Totally unlawful,
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unjustified. So if people want to hear about complaints about territory, just look at Hungary.
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Still 105 years later, there's massive Hungarian minorities all around Hungary.
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That's the shit that happens. Then the Czech Republic, or was it Slovakia? I think the Czech
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Republic bans the speaking of Hungarian by Hungarian nationals. So all of the stuff that
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Alex is talking about are the machinations that happen by various forces for various purposes.
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1:24:44
Dave? Charles, I think you should say to Anders that we respect our guests because they've given
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their time and energy to this group for no fee whatsoever. So we don't like criticism of the
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guests, Anders. You can ask questions, certainly, and people can make up their minds whether the
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questions are truthful themselves or whether they're not or whether they're disingenuous.
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1:25:05
Look, Stephen, I'll moderate the group. It's appropriate.
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1:25:08
Look, I take no offense if I'm... Yeah, but I'm making a point, Charles,
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that Mr. Anders is making a point of destabilizing our guests or trying to.
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1:25:17
No, no, Stephen, Stephen, that's okay. I can take dispute. I don't mind dispute, but
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it has to be factual. If you can point to a fact that I got wrong, I'm grateful for that.
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But if you just label me biased, then you need to present the other side, and I'm happy to hear that.
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But we haven't got time for that. That's a different conversation.
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It's happening all the time, Alex. There's a pattern here. So I'm just calling it out.
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I'm sick of it. Questions which are not questions, which are statements most of the time.
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So anyway, it's not you, obviously. Okay, Stephen, enough. Dave?
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1:26:02
In defense of both, they're talking in different time frames. So Anders is talking about the past,
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and Alex is talking about relatively the present. And if I wanted to, I could say I'm pissed off at
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the angles for getting into it with the Saxons, and long memories are very destructive. I don't
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think the United States has any claim of interest in this war, which is really the source of all
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the problems. So I think that you have to blame the United States for this. When I dug into it,
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I first noticed that Putin was not very aggressive. People like to call him the aggressor,
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1:26:44
but he was not trying to destroy Ukraine. He was not trying to kill Ukrainians. It was a police
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1:26:51
action. It was not a war. And that was noticeable. A factual point, I think Newland admitted to being
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36 bioweapons labs, 48, which is just a trivial point. And it's 36 too many. So it doesn't matter.
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But I thought I'd just, and that could be wrong, but that's the number I have in my head.
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And then a military friend of mine, an analyst, not an intel, but an analyst said that he goes
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these meetings all the time. He says this war is going to go on for years. And I was shocked. And
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he made it seem like they're not going to let this war end. Alex, opinion on that?
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1:27:35
Hi, Dave. Look, I think that as far as the British and the French are concerned,
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and Germans, so long as they're under merits, and I think some others like the Baltic State,
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Poland, and so forth, there are important interests in those countries that are desperate
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for the war to go on because they cannot afford to lose it. They've bet the ranch on Project Ukraine.
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And if they lose, you know, we have many statements from people like Boris Johnson,
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Tadeusz Morawiecki, Mark Milley, a whole bunch of them who are basically saying,
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if we lose in Ukraine, it's over for the West. The Golden Age of the West will be over. We will
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lose hegemony for generations to come and so forth. And that's really true. And so they-
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Well, wait a minute. Is it true that they say that or is it true that it is? I don't see where
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it's the- They say it.
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It is true that they say it. And what they're saying is true as well.
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Oh, really? Okay.
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Yes. And, you know, you had a document that was drafted by a group of British, well, you know,
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former intelligence and military officials who basically drafted a document at the beginning,
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1:29:04
at the very beginning of the Ukraine War. Now it slips my mind what the title of the document was.
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But basically what they're saying throughout the documents is that keeping the war going is
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absolutely essential. And they explain why, because so long as the Ukrainians keep the Russians busy
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fighting in Ukraine, the Western intelligence agencies through their assets can continue to
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destabilize Russia, to run terror action, sabotage operations inside Russia. And so long as the war
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is going, they have a chance at destabilizing the regime of Vladimir Putin and overthrowing him.
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If Russia wins, then that's it. You know, they're not going to be able to do that anymore,
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especially if Russia basically turns Ukraine from a Western aligned country to
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Russian aligned country back. Because, you know, they need access to Ukrainian ports
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because you need to bring stuff into Ukraine because you need to have access to the Ukrainian
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government and security forces, their intelligence apparatus, their whatever is left of their
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military and their special forces, and the liaisons with Ukrainians who are in Russia.
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You know, Ukrainians speak perfect Russian. They're almost indistinguishable from Russians.
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1:30:48
There's a million of them inside Russia. If you retain Kiev under your control, you're going to
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be able to network with those people and you're going to be able to run assassination operations,
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sabotage, terror attacks, drone attacks, bioterror attacks. You're going to be able to run
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a version of opium war into Russia, but you need to keep Ukraine within your orbit and you need
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access to its ports or at least airports. Without that, it's going to be very, very difficult.
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1:31:24
Well, so I would make the argument that their most foundational premise is wrong and that is
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that the idea that they need to destabilize Russia and they need to destabilize Putin is wrong. I
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think Putin looks like about as good as you're ever going to get as a leader for Russia.
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1:31:41
For Russia? But, you know, Boris Yeltsin was a lot better for Western financial interests and
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1:31:48
that's the whole point of the game. No, I get that part. They don't want Russians to be well
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off and Russia to be stable. They want Russia to be in their hands. They want Russian people to be
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1:32:01
their labor force for cheap and they want Russian resources to be accessible to Western corporations
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and to form collateral of Western banks. When I say cheap labor force, keep in mind that
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when Vladimir Putin came to power in 1999, the average salary in Russia was $56 a month.
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That's what the Western financial interests want, which is why...
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Yeah, I'm so unsympathetic to that mercantilism that I have trouble with that. I, by the way,
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got up to my ass in the scree-ball-poising story years back when the Brits were lying their asses
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off about what happened in that story and I ended up getting calls from Al Jazeera and
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George Galloway and these guys because they were just lying their asses off.
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I'm aware of the story, yes.
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And then if you look at pre-February 2022 on any news source, pre-February 2022,
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1:33:01
and you look up Azov battalion, they're nothing but evil. So we somehow went from treating these
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1:33:08
guys as the Nazis, which by the way, you can make an argument that the Ukrainian Nazis run the right
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1:33:16
team in World War II. You can make that argument. And then the second Putin brings in his forces,
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all of a sudden the Azov battalion are heroic freedom fighters. But you go to BBC, you go to
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CNN, you go pre-February 2022, the Azov's are just nothing but evil guys. And it's just really
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fascinating to watch that. You've seen the footage of Graham and McCain trying to rally the Ukrainians
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to fight the Russians back in 2015. We look so bad, in my opinion. We look so bad in this story.
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I guess I'm expressing frustration because there's too many people rooting for the wrong team here,
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in my opinion. Yeah, I think that's true. But I think it's also true that that's
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1:34:07
changing now. I think that this was Clinton's, this was Obama, this was Joe Biden, pretty much
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a leadership that has been hijacked away from the American people. And I think that
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the American people voted Trump into office three times for a reason.
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1:34:29
And even if you do- So why is it slow? Why are Trump and Putin slow to get together?
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Trump should say, look, here's the deal, I wanted this over now. Putin should say,
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okay, here's what you have to do. And Trump should say, fine.
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Yeah, there's a lot of entrenched interests and there's a lot of entrenched mindsets
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1:34:51
and thinking. And I think that if you move things too quickly in the new direction,
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it's kind of like, if you're living in a house of blind, don't rearrange the furniture from
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one day to the next. Right. Or it's like pouring hot water in ice cubes, they break.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. Yeah.
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1:35:12
Now, do you sense a thaw in the Gaza debate? This is a tangential, but do you sense a thaw
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where now all of a sudden Israel's starting to take a serious beating? Because it seems like
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within the last month, Israel's lost the narrative in a big way. Yes.
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1:35:29
Do you sense that? Yes, I do. I do. But I think that
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Israel is now all about one man and his- I know.
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1:35:41
Him staying in power. And I think that Trump has maneuvered the situation where he actually
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needs Netanyahu to stay in power because everything he's tried- Trump wants to make a deal with the
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1:35:58
Iranians. He's very keen on that. And I think that the fact that he got Netanyahu kind of cornered
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1:36:07
makes this possible because Netanyahu now has also bought into, oh, look, my great friend,
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1:36:15
Donald Trump and I, we have done this amazing feat of destroying Iran's nuclear, how do you call it,
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1:36:21
program. Well, everybody knows that that's not true, but Netanyahu is so desperate that he needs
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to present it as a success. So he's swallowed that one hook, line and sinker. And so now,
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if somebody new comes in power in Israel, then the whole house of cards crumbles again because
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they'll say like, no, no, we didn't destroy the program. We need to go back to war with Iran.
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And they're going to drag the United States along with them. I think it's hard to imagine
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that Trump or anybody else could say, oh, we're just going to let Israel destroy itself and we'll
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not come to their aid when Iran starts to beat them into a bloody pulp. Yeah. Well, I think they're
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at risk. Let's move on. Thank you, Dave. Love your views. Jeremy.
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Oh, yeah. So I think that's one of the best conversations I've heard in a long time, Alex.
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Well, since you asked. Thank you, Jeremy. Thank you. That's very kind. Especially on the recent
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history in Austria-Hungary and the ethnic populations and that Ukraine didn't even really
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exist as country. What I was interested in is that, you know, it's very difficult for us,
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I think, in the West because I think we're living through climactic changes, you know, and
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1:37:43
financial, you know, it's like the death of Rome really, what's going on. I'm just wondering whether
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a are you seeing large on the financial side? Are you starting to see large financial movements
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1:37:56
of capital out of Europe now? Because Europe's got nothing that Russia wants. All it's got is a lot
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1:38:00
elderly population with pension, pension arrangements. It can't really meet. It's
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1:38:05
got no natural resources. Yes, it's got some scientific abilities and things, but
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Europe's in a terrible state now and it's been led there by the EU. It can't live much longer.
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I was just wondering what your views are on the survival of the EU and the present structures and
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are you seeing capital start to move seriously now out of the EU?
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1:38:28
So far as the capital markets go, I don't really see anything much happening. If anything,
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you know, since Donald Trump came into office, the dollar has depreciated by
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ballpark around 10% against the euro and against the pound. And to my mind, both the euro and the
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pound should be collapsing because they have no collateral. They lost the war. They have no
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maneuvering space. They completely depend on the United States, not only for their economies,
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but also for their defense and for their security. And it's very clear that Trump is
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treating the Europeans and the British to a lesser extent, but also the British, with some
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kind of a cruel contempt. And a lot of what he does is actually aimed at Europe. It's like at
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every turn, he's making their position weaker and weaker and weaker. And why the
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European bonds, why the gilts, why the euro and the pound haven't already collapsed is one of
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those mysteries. But I think that the movements in capital markets depend not on what you or I
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uncover from the day we uncover it, but what the critical mass of market participants
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think of the situation. And I think that the critical mass of market participants still manage
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pension funds and endowments and large banks, and they read Financial Times and The Economist and
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mainstream media. And they probably buy what the mainstream media is telling them. And so
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they will not be pulling the trigger until they really get a punch in the face from the
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actual events in the markets.
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When do you think reality might bite them? Because I see it exactly as you see it. I
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1:40:38
don't understand it. But I don't know. Yeah, I'm going to go look at it. I just think the
899
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emperor's got no clothes. It's so, so obvious now. It's just a matter of not if it's just a matter
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1:40:48
of when. And that's what I'm getting to is, is there any insight as to when?
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1:40:58
Well, you know, the euro and the pound peaked kind of during the summits in Scotland where Trump
902
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1:41:09
summoned Keir Starmer and Ursula von der Leyen and gave them a punch in the face to the both of them.
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1:41:21
And that's when the dollar started gaining strength and the guild started going south
904
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1:41:25
a little bit, but nothing much. Well, basically, you know, markets,
905
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1:41:31
markets move very slowly before they gather momentum.
906
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1:41:36
Well, you're the momentum I'm interested in. It's trying to get.
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1:41:42
Yeah, it's, you know, basically large scale price events, which is what we're, you know, expecting.
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1:41:47
They never happened from one day to the next, almost ever. They usually
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1:41:58
span months or even years and they unfold as trends. And so I think it's going to happen
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1:42:05
that way in this. You know, for example, you can find online the price chart of the German
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1:42:22
Imperial 3% Bund between, let's say, 1880s and 1923 maybe, or 22, whichever. And you see that,
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1:42:28
you know, everything that was known at the time about Germany, about the war, about losing World
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1:42:36
War I, about the financial disaster and the economic disaster that happened. And this
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1:42:46
German Imperial bond just kind of fluctuates. And it only begins to collapse in the early 1920s,
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1:42:54
two years after Germany lost the war. You know, even during the war, it kind of
916
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1:43:05
was still there. And then 1922, it just falls off a cliff. And so, you know, that's just the
917
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1:43:10
mystery of the, you know, collective mind of the market that, you know, it doesn't matter what you
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1:43:16
know. What matters is what the average participant thinks. And I think that the average participant
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1:43:21
is usually very, very deeply
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1:43:32
affected by the groupthink. In a cult? Well, exactly. Yeah.
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1:43:36
Do you see capital controls coming in at any point?
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1:43:42
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's only a matter of time. But, you know, let's say the later,
923
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1:43:48
the better for, yeah, I think it's coming. How do you circumvent that? Is that a case
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1:43:54
of running before it happens? Or do you think places like Monte Carlo and some of the offshore
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1:44:00
jurisdictions or? I think that one way that you'll be able to circumvent this is by
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1:44:09
already having accounts in the United States or, you know, before the capital controls happened.
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1:44:14
I think that one of the ways that you might be able to circumvent it is by using Bitcoin.
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1:44:20
And then I don't know what other ways there are, but, you know, at any rate,
929
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1:44:26
these things are going to be temporary. They're going to be allowing exemptions because capital
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1:44:33
will have to move. At this stage, at this point in time, I'd even be interested in having
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1:44:38
some money in Russian bank accounts somewhere, if possible.
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1:44:45
Very good. I like that. Thanks, Jeremy. That's a good comment. It's about time we had another
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1:44:53
conversation. Oh, it was a terrific question from Jeremy. Even I'm talking. Yeah. Jeremy,
934
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1:44:58
having a conversation that people ask the question, should I sell my house? I can get
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1:45:04
$3 million for it in Australia. The question that you raise is what do I do with my $3 million?
936
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1:45:10
You know, what do you do with it? And Stephen, we haven't had a conversation
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1:45:15
on that for quite some time in this geopolitical regime. So let's put it just right on the agenda.
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1:45:20
We'll find somebody to discuss that. All right, let's keep moving because we've got hands up.
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1:45:24
Tessa, at last, we've got another Russian joining us in a moment. Well, Charles, maybe we should get
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1:45:31
a conversation between Jeremy, who's very interested in markets, and Alex, who is his
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1:45:36
potential master in the future, it sounds like. Well, we get Jerry Brady or Alex, or we'll have
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1:45:42
a debate because I'm plotting a debate. Oh, yeah, we can get Jerry as well. Yeah. We could plot a
943
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1:45:48
debate, Stephen, on another occasion on can you have a pandemic? But we've got to organize that.
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1:46:01
Anyway, Glenn, then Tessa. Glenn is muted. Yeah, he's a broadcaster. There he is.
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1:46:04
Thanks. Hi, Alex. Hi, Glenn.
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1:46:10
You do a very nice job of taking it from kind of the simple, what somebody might say is a simple
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1:46:17
battle between Ukraine and Russia, and that it's much more complex and needs to be viewed as a
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1:46:23
Europe, US, NATO versus Russia, and then a variety of complexities, including that this
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1:46:30
didn't all start in the last five years. It goes back quite a bit longer. I'm going to put forward,
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since you are open to this kind of thinking process, perhaps this is in fact, far, far bigger
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1:46:47
and broader based than the expansion you've already done. And for that, I would state that the
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1:46:56
prospect of this actually being a war that goes back to pre-World War II, and that it's an alliance
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1:47:08
of eugenics, Nazi, Islamic globalists with strong connection to the global bankers and the US deep
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1:47:21
state. And that opposing that is a Judeo-Christian peace patriot alliance that has the backing of the
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1:47:31
US Constitution, and this oddball, Donald Trump, that has thrown a wrench into the attack mode of
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1:47:39
the alliance that I described, the eugenics, Nazi, Islamic globalist alliance. And that
957
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1:47:47
because of a variety of cross currents, it failed in World War II, but it didn't disappear. In fact,
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1:47:54
Hitler lived through that and moved to Argentina, and they just went into another round of long-range
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1:48:03
planning that has now come to this concentrated effort of which a centerpiece of it was a takedown
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1:48:09
of the United States. And that the Ukraine war was just a one step in that direction because
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1:48:17
it allowed a mountain of money to flow out of the coffers of the US public and to empty out our
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1:48:27
arsenal. I mean, the rate of depletion of the US arsenal of lots of smart armaments was five to
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1:48:33
ten times faster than we're able to replenish it. So, how do you think of, you know, what's your
964
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thoughts on whether it is potentially that much bigger and broader? No, it is certainly very big
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and very broad. And I think that actually, you know, the central battlefield in this war is
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ultimately spiritual, well, first psychological and then spiritual. So, it's, and maybe the most
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1:49:10
important battlefield geographically is the United States because this Western banking oligarchy
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that is not only relate, you mentioned, closely connected to this war, they are the origin of
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1:49:26
this wars. It's coming from them. They're the instigators. With the United States on board,
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1:49:33
they are a force to reckon with. Without the United States, they're nothing but four eyes
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1:49:41
without a head. You know, you have Britain with the flimsy hold on Canada, Australia, and New
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1:49:53
Zealand, and then some bilateral cooperation agreements with, you know, countries that could
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1:50:07
be easy to turn away like Qatar, Turkey, Poland, Sweden, Denmark. You know, all these countries have
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1:50:15
military cooperation agreements with Britain. There's more than a dozen of them. I found 15.
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1:50:21
You know, like if you go into a search engine and you put military cooperation agreement between
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1:50:27
Britain and, and then you'll get a whole bunch of countries. But this is all, you know, British
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1:50:35
initiated self-serving. Nobody gets any benefit from having a military cooperation agreement with
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1:50:42
Britain. It's never been the case. It usually means that that country has been designated for their,
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1:50:48
you know, let's you and him fight kind of outcome. And people are realizing that they have military
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1:50:53
cooperation agreement with Bosnia and Herzegovina. And that's, you know, that's the, what we were
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1:51:00
talking about starting the second front in the Balkans. And so, you know, if the United States
982
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1:51:08
is on board with them, then maybe theoretically they are able to create their one world order.
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1:51:14
Without the United States, they don't have a, they don't stand a chance. And so right now, you know,
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1:51:20
whether you're like Trump or not, he's not on board with this and they are, they're in a
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1:51:32
frenzied panic. And I think that the, this summit that's being organized in Alaska on 15th of August
986
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1:51:39
is, could be a very, very important turning point. And you see that already the Europeans are throwing
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1:51:44
a tantrum. They want to participate. The Brits want to be invited to the summit. They think
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1:51:50
Ukrainians have to be present in the summit. They want to do whatever they can to make sure that the
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1:52:01
peace doesn't break out. If the peace is concluded, it's that war that they lost and that they cannot
990
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1:52:09
recover from. And everything else is, you know, the Middle East, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran,
991
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1:52:15
Cambodia, Thailand, India, Pakistan, North Korea, South Korea, all of these flash points that they
992
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1:52:23
have in store to continue to destabilize the Eurasian continent are small, too small for them
993
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1:52:31
to reverse the defeat in Ukraine. And so the battle is for the United States. The United States is
994
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1:52:37
with multipolar integrations with the rest of the world. If it makes nice with Russia, China, India,
995
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1:52:47
South Africa, Brazil, and so forth, then we might see 500 years of peace. If they continue controlling
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1:52:54
the United States as they have done since at least World War II, since they killed FDR, then we might
997
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1:53:02
be looking at another 500 years of war as we, you know, already had 500 years of war. And so I think
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1:53:07
that's the, you know, it's, that's the ultimate,
999
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1:53:16
how do you call it, juncture that we're at.
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1:53:25
From a spiritual viewpoint, the turn of the head of Trump with a bullet missed him made then the
1001
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1:53:31
biggest turn of the earth. It was very interesting, wasn't it? History until now. Yes.
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1:53:33
Thank you.
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1:53:34
Thank you.
1004
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1:53:40
Okay, thanks, Glenn. Okay, Tessa, our favorite Russian.
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1:53:47
Tessa, I haven't seen Tessa so long that I, she has a new hairdo and I haven't seen it.
1006
1:53:47
1:53:47
Thank you.
1007
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1:53:48
This is the first time I see it.
1008
1:53:49
1:53:53
Yeah, I mean, I saw your name, I had to join and I love everybody here, but I just had to join.
1009
1:53:54
1:53:59
Yeah, well, first of all, thank you for all the love for, you know, my birth homeland. And of course,
1010
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1:54:07
I'm a contrarian and I think with each individual, I would find some things I strongly agree with,
1011
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1:54:12
some things I strongly disagree with. And I remember, Alex, remember when I interviewed you
1012
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1:54:20
and we will push back the entire interview with so much love. It was so much fun. So I think there's
1013
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1:54:26
no need. I mean, that's just my feedback for the entire, for the entire situation. There's no need
1014
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1:54:29
to go to each other's throats, even if we completely disagree. As a Russian now,
1015
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1:54:40
I think that two things can be simultaneously true. The West is being a bit of an asshole towards
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1:54:48
Russia. And Russia is not great towards Ukraine either. I mean, like, poor Ukraine, to be honest,
1017
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1:54:55
coming from a Russian, just poor people of Ukraine, because politicians tend to be in their own camp.
1018
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1:55:02
And all of us peasants on the ground at the end of the day tend to be in our own camp. And there's
1019
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1:55:08
all this geopolitics and it's all true. And I think it's true that Putin is fighting for his
1020
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1:55:16
individual life and power and whatnot. As a Russian now, I cannot say his domestic policies are awesome.
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1:55:23
And Alex and I, I mean, we were arguing about that lovingly during our interview, and I'm not pushing
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1:55:30
back or whatever. I love your work, you know that. So I think taking it back to the spiritual battle,
1023
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1:55:36
which I solemnly agree that this is the center of everything, because at the end of the day,
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1:55:41
we don't really influence what Trump does or what Putin does or what any of those guys, and we can
1025
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1:55:47
dream and pray and talk, but they do what they want to do. But we can, and this is how I see my
1026
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1:55:54
own spiritual battle. We can see brothers and sisters in other people across the board, whether
1027
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1:56:01
they're Christian, Muslim, sorry to say, Buddhist, Hinduist, whatever they are, regular people usually
1028
1:56:01
1:56:10
want to be happy and mind their business and get married and have kids and work. So I think that
1029
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1:56:15
is the central spiritual battle as far as I see it. Of course, that's my subjective opinion. We'll
1030
1:56:15
1:56:20
choose ours, but it's not for my religion, for this religion, for this flag, for that flag,
1031
1:56:20
1:56:24
for that flag, because usually people at the very top have ways to mess with our heads
1032
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1:56:33
and make us think that they and us are in the same camp and we just aren't. Never, never. And for
1033
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1:56:39
centuries, you know, they fight for land, for territory, for spiritual influence, for whatever,
1034
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1:56:45
and then regular people's heads keep falling. And I think that the moment when we see brothers and
1035
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1:56:51
sisters in the people who are sincere, who have completely different ideas, maybe different
1036
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1:56:56
religion, different politics, different whatever, different skin color, but they also want to be
1037
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1:57:01
happy and be left alone just like us. I think it's time to admit that nobody wants to fight.
1038
1:57:02
1:57:07
Those people upstairs are the ones who want to use us to fight for them. That's my, that's my
1039
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1:57:14
throne speech. Thank you. I'll have my plane here and thank you again. Thank you. Thank you, Tessa.
1040
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1:57:20
I really appreciate that. But I think that, you know, I think that people are already hardwired
1041
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1:57:26
to like each other, you know, and you're only, you only, you only react with in an aggressive way if
1042
1:57:26
1:57:33
you feel threatened. And so the, you know, part of the spiritual battle is to overcome fear or to not
1043
1:57:33
1:57:40
allow fear to guide our decisions. And then a different aspect to the spiritual battle is that
1044
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1:57:46
you can't really serve God and serve money at the same time. And I think that, you know, maybe it
1045
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1:57:52
will be complicated now to bring this to the discussion between Russia and Ukraine and the,
1046
1:57:52
1:57:57
the, the future order of the world, but it's easy to see in the, in the COVID pandemic, you know,
1047
1:57:57
1:58:03
suppose you're a doctor and you can make a lot of money by going along and, and vaccinating as many
1048
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1:58:09
people as you can, but you have to understand that you're doing the wrong thing. And then,
1049
1:58:09
1:58:14
you know, the, your, your spiritual battle is, are you going to serve truth or are you going to serve
1050
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1:58:26
money? And so that, that choice is clear when it's between an experimental poison and doing the right
1051
1:58:26
1:58:34
thing in, in global geopolitics, it's less clear, but it's nevertheless there. And I think we're
1052
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1:58:40
still, it's still incumbent on us to try to understand what's going on and to follow the
1053
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1:58:49
truth wherever it leads. You know, and, and, you know, as, as what's his name, Reverend Thomas R
1054
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1:58:56
said, even if a thousand old, old beliefs were ruined in our march to truth, we must still march
1055
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1:59:05
on. And so, you know, whatever, whatever we start off with, we have to kind of be prepared
1056
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1:59:14
to accept truth for what it is, not for what it, what we wish it to be. And then to also understand
1057
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1:59:20
our role in this, in this whole drama. And, and again, you know, either you serve the truth,
1058
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1:59:26
you serve God, or you serve money and your own self-interest. I think that's the, at the,
1059
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1:59:33
at the micro level, that's the spiritual battle. I am in agreement. Thank you for saying that. I
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1:59:38
think, well, each of us has our own perspective. And honestly, I believe that we are God's eyes. So
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1:59:44
God needs multiple perspectives and he sees the world from through each of our eyes. And
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1:59:49
it's a, you know, for another time conversation, but, well, first of all, I'll reach out to you.
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1:59:53
I want to interview you again now after this. It's been absolutely with pleasure. Tessa always.
1064
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1:59:58
And thank you everybody. I'm really enjoying this conversation, despite the fact that there's
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2:00:03
a bit of a difference in opinions. I think it's important to hear everybody. And I am delighted
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2:00:07
personally. I don't know. How about anybody else? I'm grateful and delighted. So thank you.
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2:00:12
Thank you, Tessa. Thanks. Thank you, Tessa. Good to see you. Okay. So we're going to be tight for
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2:00:17
time now because we've only got 25 minutes to a Tom, then Jeremy, then Lou, and then we'll go back
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2:00:25
to Stephen for closing questions, Tom, or maybe even me before that. Okay. Yeah. Thanks so much,
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2:00:34
Alex. I, I tried to come up with lists of names of experts that, uh, for, you know, the Ukraine and
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2:00:43
so forth. And so I, I in the chat, I'll put the link in here and, uh, oh yeah, of course,
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2:00:50
now I'm having trouble. Okay. I've almost got it. Basically, um, this link that I'm putting in here,
1073
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2:00:56
you can go in there and change things. Uh, I put a big yard sign in front of my house with these
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2:01:03
names and I got a little bit of attention. Um, but then, so if you could click on that while I ask a
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2:01:11
couple more questions, um, what, what about the Russian assets? Um, what is it? 300 billion held
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2:01:21
by Europe. Um, also what about, isn't BlackRock heavily invested in the Ukraine? Um, and so what's
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2:01:29
going to happen and as, as Russia keeps, uh, they're gaining ground, I follow the Duran and it's very
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2:01:36
clear they're gaining ground, uh, very consistently. And what about the idea that maybe they'll have to
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2:01:44
retreat and move the capital, uh, from, uh, Kiev to somewhere else? I mean, that would be a way of
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2:01:51
extending the conflict. So a few things there. Thank you. Uh, it's very hard to say. I think that,
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2:01:57
that, uh, BlackRock has a good, it has a good chance of collapsing altogether because they're,
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2:02:03
you know, they're not a bank, they're an asset manager. They cannot create credit. Uh, they,
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2:02:10
they just invest funds of their, of their, uh, how do you call them, of their investors. Uh,
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2:02:17
they're part of what's called a shadow banking group, uh, shadow banking industry. Um,
1085
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2:02:25
the majority shareholder of, um, of BlackRock through various fronts, but you know, like if you,
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2:02:30
if you drill, if you drill down behind all of them, uh, the controlling shareholder is Bank
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2:02:37
of America. So I think that Bank of America is in, in real trouble. Uh, moving capital is sometimes
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2:02:44
possible if you think it's just money. You know, you, um, you transfer money from Ukraine to
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2:02:49
somewhere else and, uh, you're done, you're out of there. But you know, if you own Ukrainian bonds
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2:02:54
and, uh, I don't know what they're trading at now, but you know, if you're, if you're,
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2:03:00
if your Ukrainian bonds went from, I don't know, a hundred cents on the dollars to, to 50 cents on
1092
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2:03:04
the dollar, that, that, you know, you can transfer them wherever you like, you still have 50 cents on
1093
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2:03:09
the dollar. What happens then is that usually these big investors turn to the central banks
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and they try to use these bonds as collateral in repo, uh, operations. And then the central
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banks will generally tell them, okay, we'll accept your Ukraine bonds, uh, dollar for dollar in our
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repo operations and, uh, you'll get all the liquid, all the liquidity that you need. And so the,
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the bad part of the debt will just be swallowed by the central bank. This is what the bank of
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England has done, uh, last summer about almost exactly a year ago and 20, I think it was 22
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July, they, they announced a repo operation. Well, repo operation existed repo market, but
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the fact that bank of England became a participant and that they announced that they will basically
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accept any kind of toxic sludge. And why would they do that? I guess that's what we did with our
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quantity of, uh, easing, right? But so they just swallow it up. They have bad bonds.
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Well, they, they have to provide liquidity because otherwise the whole system of, of,
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of payments could grind to a halt. If, you know, if let's say if, if, if bank of America has
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a large amount of Ukraine debt, which is, which is also collateral, and now it's,
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they took a 50% haircut on that. Uh, they might not be able to, uh, to get out of that. It's,
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it's, it's, it's on their books. It's, it's, it's a non-performing loan
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and the bank could ultimately collapse. So, you know, to,
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normally banks, even in ordinary, uh, circumstances, they, they take recourse to repo markets to
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balance their books because at the end of every day, they have to balance their books.
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If they're short on cash, they can borrow the amount of cash they're short in the repo market.
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And then they, they renew that every night. They, they continually renew.
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I just realized we were on the medical professionals, uh,
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forum. So repo market is repurchase agreements market. So basically repurchase agreement means
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that, uh, I sell you, um, I sell you my assets, uh, for cash. Uh, those assets are collateral.
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And then I, I, I agreed to buy them back the next day at a slightly higher price,
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which reflects the interest on, on, on what's effectively alone. So that market functions
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for decades. And that's how Mark, that's how banks keep themselves liquid. Now, if you,
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if your collateral is viewed as, as, as toxic sludge, if other banks think that
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you might not have the money to pay to buy back this, this, this collateral from me the next day,
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they might decline. They might completely decline to, uh, to do a repurchase agreement with,
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with you. Okay. And then you can no longer balance your books and then you could hear,
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you could get a bank run, you know, then people are going to say like, oh my God,
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this bank is on the verge of collapse. Get your money out while you're in time.
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And, uh, the bank collapses and usually the way banks are all interlinked in the West, uh,
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almost every large bank has exposure to other large banks. So if one collapses,
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usually it drags a whole bunch of them along with them, which is what we had with
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Lehman Brothers, uh, in, in 2008. And so at that point, the only way you can, you can,
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even when one of the banks is, is actually bust, the only way you can keep getting liquidities from
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the, it's from the central bank, which will say, okay, whatever you have, doesn't matter how
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worthless it is, we'll give you dollar for dollar and you're going to be able to balance your book.
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And the system continues in operation, even though its foundations are completely rotten and hollow
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and there's just going more and more rotten and hollow. And so as long as the central bank stays
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on board, they're going to continue injecting more and more and more liquidity into the system.
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The system will, uh, roll along without anything going wrong, but because they're printing the
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liquidity out of thin air, eventually is going to cause inflation and eventually you're going to
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destroy, you're going to preserve the banking industry, but you're going to destroy the currency.
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Right. Which means that effectively, rather than letting your institutions fail,
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you will through inflation, rob everybody in this economic system to preserve your system and your
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institutions. Right. So rather than letting bank of America fail, you're just going to rob everybody,
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uh, you know, of their, of their savings, of their, of their pensions. And you're by, by,
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by taking the root of inflation, you're going to give yourself maneuvering space.
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I, yeah, I don't even know if I answered your, your, your question, but that's it.
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That's great. And, uh, I think you can move on. I would, the other one was about moving the capital.
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We've got to go. We got to thank you so much.
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Thank you for those who want to continue the discussion. Join, join Tom's video telegram
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meeting after this meeting, Jeremy quickly then Lou, then Steven. Yeah, just a quick one. God,
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you touched on so many Alex, just a quick one. I was, I was wondering Europe seems to be sort of
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dead set on committing suicide. It seems to me, especially with the mass immigration we've come
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on. I was wondering who is it that benefits from this district, you know, mass immigration and
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the, what seems to be the destruction of Europe? Who, who, who is it who's interested in it is if
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Europe goes down the pan because I can't, I can only see conflict in the future. I can only,
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there's nothing, there's nothing good going on in Europe. Now Germany's contracting when Germany's
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25% of the EU, when that starts to really go down the plug, it's probably why they want war.
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Who benefits from Europe falling apart? It's the owner class. It's the owner class. It's the,
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it's the money lending oligarchy that's actually in charge of our systems and they benefit in many
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ways. You know, you know, they have a social contract with their population where you're
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supposed to provide, you know, a certain degree of security, certain standard of living,
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a healthcare pension, education, things like that. And, you know, all of these are costs,
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right? They have to be paid from the public purse and they want to, to direct
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as much from the public purse to their own, to their own financial institutions that they don't
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want to honor the social contract any longer. And so by, by allowing these, these tens of millions
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of illegal immigrants, they have a spare labor force and they can say like, Hey, you don't want
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to, you won't work at these conditions where there's, there's all these, these people who are
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willing to take your job. So good luck. And then, you know, you also get a benefit because at a
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certain point you want to, you want to bring an authoritarian system of government, which people
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are going to reject unless they're scared out of their, out of their minds. So what you do is you
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use these illegal immigrants and, you know, the thuggish, thuggish segment among them to orchestrate
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some terror attacks. And you say like, Oh, look, these evil Muslims are killing people. And so we
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have to tighten controls. We have to, we have to, we have to bring a digital ID because, you know,
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we need to control all these people. And so, you know, you use them as a, as a scarecrow to,
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you know, kind of corral all the people to, you know, to seek protection, defense from the
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government and to go along with every kind of, every kind of a measure that they, that they force
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upon you, you know, 15 minute cities, digital ID, CBDCs, whatever they say is the solution.
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If people are scared and disoriented and they don't know where, what, what the real source of
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danger is, then they'll say like, yes, yes, please do, do whatever you need to do. Just, I want to
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feel safe when I go out on the street. I don't want to think that my daughter might get raped on
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her way from school and things like that. So, you know, there's, this has been going on for many,
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many centuries. You know, the Roman Empire already perfected this to a T practically because they
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would go rampage some country, plunder and pillage it, kill everybody. And then they would
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recolonize it with people from the, the Italian, from the peninsula. And then they would bring
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whoever is left alive from the place where they, which they sacked. And they brought them back
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as slaves to work on these very large agricultural farms that were owned by the, by the oligarchs.
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They didn't want to deal with the, with the local indigenous population. So they,
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you know, they sent them off into, into the colonies and brought back slaves.
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This is- All right, Jeremy, we're going to move on.
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Lou and then Steven.
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By the way, Jeremy, that was a quick question. It had a, again, a 10 hour answer.
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It needed a 10 hour answer.
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Thank you for calling on me. Two things. Theologically, God is love. Period. That's
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one John for a John was the last apostle. He was, he was banished to the Island of Patmos.
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And he did the Johanna in a gospels, which using gnosis knowledge says that God is,
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God is not a being. God is love. And so that takes the, it's metaphorical. It's not literal.
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People need to get over the literalism. They see the surface and they take it for reality. Like
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that old metaphor of the guys, scientists touching the elephant in various places,
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saying it's this or that when they don't see the big picture. Secondly, cognitively, behaviorally,
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I give you Abraham Maslow's giving us bequeathing us the hierarchy of needs.
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When our physiological needs for food, clothing, and shelter are met, then we are ready to address
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our psychological need to feel safe and secure. And I think our females over the, over the eons
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have had to emphasize psychological security more so than the, we risk takers, we males,
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the hunter gatherers, only when those lower order needs are met, can we address
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our higher order needs. The first is belonging with social. Last thing, last thing, self actualizing.
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Thank you. I'm done. No, I thought it was a question. Self-actualized. No, well, it's not
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a question because I'm just, that's a comment. So self-actualize on bro. Yeah, that's, that is,
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there's a helpful comment on those seven layers of Maslow's hierarchy. I teach them. They're four,
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they're not seven. That's confusing. It gets too confusing. Keep it simple, Simon. Keep it simple,
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Simon. Well, there's, there's, I would, human beings are not simple. But thank you, Lou. And
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that's a great conversation in itself. So before we go to Stephen, Alex, the one comment I'd love
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from you is why such stunning silence from the world economic forum at the present?
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Well, I think that they've been seen through, you know, I think that they've
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burnt their credibility with the COVID pandemic. Once, once a critical mass of people realize,
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realized that they're being lied to, then everything else is taken as a lie. You know,
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the climate change thing, the, you know, them pushing artificial meat and, and crickets and,
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you know, the insect fodder and the need for population control and dimming the sun and all
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of these cockamamie projects that these people are pushing, I think it's gotten extremely,
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extremely unpopular. And I think that by this time, even participating in world economic forum is
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becoming a source of embarrassment. So I think that many of the people who were very pleased to
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be part of the cool club and to pretend that they're very important by being there, I think are now
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embarrassed and they wish to remain silent and not call attention to themselves.
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Thank you. Thank you. That's helpful. All right, Stephen, last set of questions and then we'll let
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you go, Alex. So that was a great answer in a series of great answers, Alex. Thank you. Thank
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you for coming to speak to us. And you mentioned the British Council, the Foreign Office and MI6
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in the UK. How is it that everything seems to emanate from them? Who gives them that kind of
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influence, shall we say, or power? Or do they give it themselves? But how do people agree to it,
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including the United States of America? So they're hanging on the coat tails. I don't understand how
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the British Council, the Foreign Office and MI6 essentially determine the agenda for the whole
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world. Still, it's very difficult to understand, in fact, but I think that London still has
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very, very significant influence in financial markets. I think that up until
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just a few years ago, London was determining the interest rate on US dollars. It was LIBOR.
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Everybody was using LIBOR, London Interbank Offer Rate, as their benchmark, which in ways that I
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only vaguely understand is extremely, extremely important. You can destabilize governments by
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raising interest rates or lowering them by destabilizing their economies and making certain
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candidates then unpopular versus others. And then I think under Jerome Powell at the Fed,
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the United States wrested back that function from London through SOFRs, secured overnight funding
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2:18:45
rates. That's very obscure, but that's a very real thing. Then Britain has perfected for well
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over 200 years, working secret diplomacy, working intelligence agencies and networks,
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non-governmental institutions. Again, they'll deploy hundreds of them in areas of their interest
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and also private contractors. They will come to a country, they'll start
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learning the pressure nodes in the society, who is important, who's not important.
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They'll bribe people that they need to bribe. They come in with very, very friendly overtures.
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They use promises to good effect. They will just promise you whatever they think will
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animate you to do their bidding, even if they have no intention of fulfilling their promises
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whatsoever. They get into the media. They take charge of forming public opinion,
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and they'll get into education. I don't know why and how, but they're very, very keen to get into
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education. They always talk about helping education. Six months ago at Davos, no, more than six months
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ago, this was in January, Tony Blair, who is now probably the most important person in the British
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equestrian class, the managerial class, not oligarchy, but people who coordinate policy,
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he interviewed Assad al-Sharah, who used to be one of the founders of the al-Qaeda in Syria,
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but is now Syria's foreign minister. He interviewed him in Davos. If you have a strong stomach,
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I would recommend viewing that interview. Al-Sharah used to be an al-Qaeda terrorist. He came to Davos
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in a nice suit, speaking decent English, answering all the questions that Tony Blair asked him in
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exactly the right way. You thought he was a guy fighting for democracy and human rights and
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women's rights and all of these really, really wonderful things. Then they turn around and then
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go slaughter Alawites and Christians by the thousands in Syria, these same people.
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And as it turns out, Tony Blair's former chief of staff, Jonathan Powell, was actually in charge of
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rebranding these al-Qaeda people, putting them in elegant suits, briefing them on,
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coaching them on how to answer questions, how to present themselves. This wasn't done as part of
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the British government. Jonathan Powell went off and set up his own private consulting company.
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That consulting company did the work. If things got discovered, the government would say,
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well, we have nothing to do with this. This is a private business. This has nothing to do with us.
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But now we know that they work closely with the Foreign Office, with the British Council,
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and with the MI6. Same story, exactly the same story, Christopher Steele and his orbit consulting
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group, which cooked up the whole Russiagate. What we learn, we learn by catching the sight of the
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tip of the iceberg. What we don't know is what's below the surface. But we do know
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that it's extremely extensive. This work through non-government organizations
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and private contractors is particularly effective because you might find some law firm
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disentangled it with respect to Obama Foundation. There were something like 46 contractors involved.
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The scheme of them is just like the most insane page that's practically black with all the lines
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connecting one node to the other. Even if you catch somebody, you caught one entity.
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Proving how they connect to everybody is extremely difficult. Sometimes when you go to Bosnia or
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Syria or Yemen or Myanmar, you'll find literally hundreds of these contractors and NGOs working
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together towards a certain goal. Now the question is how is this funded? Well, I don't know. But
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the British Foreign Office and MI6 obviously have enough funding. I think that the private
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interests behind British government must have huge funds available to them in the offshore centers.
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So somehow it is funded because obviously it works and they obviously have influence.
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Their ability to sign very recently a military cooperation agreement with Kazakhstan in the
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freaking middle of the Eurasian continent, with Bosnia in the middle of the Balkans,
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with Lebanon, with Greece, with Turkey, with all these countries. Obviously they have means and
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ways to induce public officials to sign off on these different agreements. How they pull it off,
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I don't know, but they are pulling it off. Alex, so why is it that the US even now
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is seemingly so slow to learn from these techniques? Because it seems to me that
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they don't use diplomacy that much in America. And actually you could say the same about
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Russia. You mentioned that Russia has very few NGOs that you know about anyway. And so why is it that
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these techniques which keep UK important in the world despite its loss of power, you know, naked
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power, why don't other like US, which is very ambitious for itself, and Russia they don't seem
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to learn anything from it. But China does, for example, they take over Africa as I understand it.
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Well, I don't know exactly. The United States does use them. United States funds hundreds of NGOs
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around the world. But this is all connected to the neocons general. It'll be funded by the USAID,
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National Endowment for Democracy and so forth, Open Society Institute by George Soros.
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I hesitate to say this, but this is my impression, you know, that there is a cultural dimension to
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all this. Because all these organizations ultimately serve the purpose of deceiving,
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misguiding, manipulating the target countries, target governments, seducing them into doing your
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own bidding. And so you're spreading a network of influencers with a nefarious goal, with a goal
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that you couldn't come out in the open and say, hey, well, this is what we want to do. You know,
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we want to establish our hegemony in a resource, this or that resource rich area because we want to
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exploit those resources. So you're trying to do this. And so you're trying to do this. And so
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there's a network of influencers that are trying to come out in the open and say, hey,
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well, this is what we want to do. We want to establish this or that resource rich area because
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we want to exploit those resources. So you bring these NGOs to talk about rights, education,
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gay rights, freedom and democracy. We're going to help you with education. We're going to ensure
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you know, this works to the extent that this is credible because you know, the officials who sign
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on to this and who take the bribes, they have to be able to defend it. They have to be able to say,
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well, well, look, it's all these progressive, sophisticated people from London who are,
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you know, you can't blame us for signing on. You know, it'd be like buying IBM. You know,
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you can buy a complete turd and pay a million dollars for it, but nobody will sack you because
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you bought a turd from IBM because you would say like, well, it's IBM, who, you know, who could
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have thought? And so I think that there's this cultural element to it that it's actually,
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the whole setup served deceptive purposes. And you know, neither Russia nor China have ever gone
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around the world colonizing other parts of the world. So I think that there, maybe there isn't
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an interest in trying to do that. That's my impression. I don't know if I'm right in what
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I just said, but that's what I gather from, you know, just basically observing.
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So they haven't got a history of doing it and being successful.
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Well, they don't have a history of trying it.
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Exactly. So that's a very interesting, isn't it? Yeah. So I don't understand if they're so clever,
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these people in London, I don't see, by the way, you mentioned sophisticated people from UK or
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London. I don't see much sophistication in the UK at the moment. Well, yes, because it's becoming,
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you know, the game is becoming unmasked. But I do remember the war in 1990s in the Balkans.
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And we had, you know, Lord Carrington prancing around here and Lord David Owen and Cyrus Vance.
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Nobody like that now, though. Sorry?
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There's nobody like that now that I see anyway. Not that I admire them, but...
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No, but they, you know, they came across as these, you know, very sophisticated people who treated us
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like, basically like savages, you know, who couldn't get along, who were
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violent and superstitious and primitive. And they were telling us how to, you know,
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how to negotiate, how to draft peace treaties, how to resolve our differences peacefully at the
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very exact same time as they were secretly dealing with each side, inciting them against the others.
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You know, so there was like a public perception which they projected deliberately. And then there
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was the secret side of their diplomacy, which, you know, we know about it today,
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but we didn't know about it back then. So Alex, if they're so clever also,
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why did they take such a beating? Starmer took it for them. Why did they take such a beating
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from Trump in Scotland? Well, yeah, that's the thing, you know, the whole game is very hollow,
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you know, if you, you know, it's like those shepherd dogs and the flocks of sheep,
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you know, everything works magnificently if the sheep just obey the shepherd dogs.
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But, you know, if you get sheep who say like, hey, you know, there's a lot of them and there's just
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this one dog, if we start running everybody in their own direction, the dog's going to get lost,
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they're not going to be able to control us. And so thankfully, we're not really sheep. And
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I think that people have started understanding the playbook. So I think the final point, so Jeremy
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brought up a very good point, in my opinion. So he was asking how the dollar is still losing to the
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UK and to the EU. And I think you said that the markets take some time to adjust to things which
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are obvious to most people. So I began to think, well, are the markets honest then? Are they
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manipulated? And if they are manipulated, by whom? They're definitely manipulated. There's no doubt
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about that. But I think that with markets is the same as with the sheep and the shepherd dogs.
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I think that when the, you know, they can manipulate markets in a variety of ways.
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But you know, the people who manipulate the markets are a very, very small segment of the
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marketplace. If a stampede goes in the opposite direction, they can no longer control it.
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So how is it that...
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I want to watch your last question.
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I just want this last question. This is very important. So it seems to me that Trump is beating
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these people, sophisticated people in London, and they don't know how to handle him. But still,
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the dollar is losing against the UK, sorry, the pound and the euro. And it's just incomprehensible
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to me. I agree with you.
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You answered your own question, Steve.
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I want to ask Alex. So, Charles, now...
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Well, in the last month, you know, the dollar has been regaining strength, but
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it'll take time for us to know these things. There's no even point trying to explain it
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because it might not play out, you know, in the markets the way we think.
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Yeah, so maybe the markets are heavily manipulated.
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Heavily, correct. All right.
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Until the stampede goes the other way.
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The people will win.
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Until the cult ends.
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All right. Thank you, Alex.
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But then it's replaced by another cult.
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It's quarter to midnight for you. Good job. Go to Tom Rodman. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Stephen.
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And we'll see you on Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, wherever you are on the planet.
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Keep learning, everybody. And as the Chinese said eons ago, to be uncertain can be uncomfortable.
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However, to be certain is ridiculous. So let go of your feelings of certainty.
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Thanks, everyone. Bye.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, all.
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Fantastic answers, Alex. Wonderful answers from you.
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Thank you. Thank you, Stephen. I appreciate that. That's kind.
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Thanks, everyone. Bye.
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Thanks, Charles.
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Thanks, Stephen.