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I appreciate it.
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Well, over to you.
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We're having lots of use, we've been using our time well,
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so we told everyone that you're a little bit delayed.
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We're all ears and we're listening to you.
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after you finish your presentation,
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or you can speak for 10 minutes
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and questions on legal issues
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or whatever you would have,
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you would like to take this forward.
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Okay, terrific, yes.
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I apologize for being tardy.
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I was at an event and it was a little further away
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than I had anticipated.
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So I am, my name is Labyann Cox.
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I'm an attorney here in New York in the United States.
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And I just successfully did a lawsuit
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where I sued the governor of New York,
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her name's Kathy Hogle,
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and her New York State Department of Health.
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And what they were doing was issuing a regulation,
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which means that it went through the executive branch,
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it came from the Department of Health.
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This was not a law that was properly passed
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by the legislature in New York.
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So they made this regulation unilaterally,
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gave themselves the power to issue isolation
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and quarantine orders to any New Yorkers
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that they deemed were a health threat.
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maybe you were exposed to a communicable disease.
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They didn't have to prove
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that you had a communicable disease,
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and they didn't have to prove
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that you were exposed to communicable disease.
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They just needed to think, maybe you were exposed.
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So no proof necessary, no evidence against you necessary.
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They could just issue you an isolation or quarantine order.
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They could lock you down in your home,
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or they could remove you from your home,
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and they could take you to a facility
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that they would choose where you went.
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There was no time restriction.
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So they could tell you that you had to lock down
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in your home, or they could remove you
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and lock you up in a facility for days,
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for weeks, for months.
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I mean, there was just no restriction at all.
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There was no age limit.
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They also had written into this regulation
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and provision that they could use the law enforcement
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to help enforce their orders.
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or the local police show up at your home
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and remove you from your home.
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to make sure that you were there.
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Another provision that they put in this regulation
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was that they, meaning the Department of Health,
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could tell you what you could and couldn't do
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while you were in isolation.
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they could have taken any sort of access to the internet
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and the outside world.
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or treatments that the government thought was best.
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I mean, it was completely unbridled power,
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unrestricted power, and they gave it to themselves.
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This power did not come from the New York State Legislature.
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They made the regulation and gave themselves the power.
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that the executive branch of government cannot make laws,
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cannot issue regulations that conflict
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with New York State law, which this one did.
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This one conflicted with multiple New York State laws,
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and they cannot make a regulation
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that conflicts with the Constitution,
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which this regulation conflicted with the Constitution
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on multiple levels.
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So I filed the lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court,
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and that was in the beginning of April.
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He issued a decision saying that the regulation was,
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in effect, the regulation was unconstitutional.
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It's the Public Health Law, Section 2120,
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that talks about what you do
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if you do wanna remove somebody from society
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if they are a public health threat.
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here in New York State for literally decades,
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probably 60, 70 years we've had this law.
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so that the government can't abuse that power.
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is that the government has to prove
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that the person actually has the communicable disease
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before they can even think about trying to lock the person up
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or have the person in isolate in their home.
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is you have to actually be sick.
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maybe you weren't, who knows?
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that's been on the books for decades
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that protect the citizen.
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not just that you have the communicable disease,
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but that you're acting in a manner
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that is detrimental to those around you.
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or you're intentionally exposing other people to a disease.
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so that the government can't overstep and abuse their power.
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that you get the chance to have an attorney,
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you get a chance to see the evidence against you,
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you get a chance to argue back and fight back against it.
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are in this law, which is on the books.
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all of those due process protections,
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completely conflicted with that existing New York state law.
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the Department of Health, they do not have the power
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to overrule or override a law that's in place
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rightfully passed by the New York state legislature.
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struck down this regulation and deemed it unconstitutional
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because he recognized that if you allow,
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if you think about it just from a logical standpoint,
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not even just a legal standpoint, if you allow an agency,
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now agencies here in the United States,
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the people that work in agencies, the commissioner of health
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who heads up the New York State Department of Health,
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that's not an elected person.
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of the Department of Health and all the people working
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in the Department of Health are all appointed,
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they're just government employees,
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if you give them the power to have unbridled authority
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over the citizens and make a regulation that conflicts
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with laws that were passed by the legislature
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or conflicts with the constitution
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and the protections laid out in the constitution,
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now you're giving the executive branch
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these unelected bureaucrats, you're giving them a power
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that was first of all never intended for them to have
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because the constitution is very clear
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that the agencies are supposed to help enforce the laws
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that are passed by the legislature.
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The agencies are not supposed to make rules
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that override laws that are made by the legislature.
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So you would be giving, if you allowed this regulation
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to stand, you would be signaling, not just
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to the Department of Health, but to many departments
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and maybe not just in New York, probably across the country
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that, hey, you know what, you can do whatever you want,
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even though you're not elected,
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even though you're appointed bureaucrats
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and government employees, you can do whatever you want.
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with the constitution, you can make regulations
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that conflict with New York state law.
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or that branch of government above our elected officials,
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above our legislature.
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So complete breakdown of separation of powers
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if you allow that regulation to stand
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and deem it as a proper and decided that in our favor,
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decided in our favor, he ruled in our favor
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and said, this is unconstitutional, it's illegal,
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you cannot do this.
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And he issued an injunction, which means that he's,
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he prohibits them, Kathy Hochul and the Department of Health
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from issuing any of these isolation or quarantine orders.
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So as of right now, this regulation is dead.
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It is no longer, it has been struck down.
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Of course, now the governor and the attorney general
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in New York state are saying that they're going
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to appeal the decision and they're going to try
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and get a higher court to actually overturn the decision
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so that they can have this unbridled, unabashed power
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that they are so keen on having.
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So it's really, it's first of all, quite shocking
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that they would even try to overrule this decision
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because what does that say to the people of New York?
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That tells the people of New York that your governor
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and your assistant, or I'm sorry, your attorney general,
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who's the top attorney in the state and works for the state,
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those two people who are very powerful are saying,
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we don't care about the constitution.
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We don't care about New York state laws
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that were properly passed by the legislature.
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We don't care about the people, right?
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Because the people are the ones who elect
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those representatives who make the laws
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and put in the due process protections
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so that we are protected from an overbearing government.
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And this says, oh, well, the governor, Governor Hulkl,
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attorney general, Letitia James, they don't care.
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They just want to have their power.
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They want to have it whenever they want
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because this regulation also said it did not need
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to be an emergency for them to use this power.
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So they could literally just write isolation
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and quarantine orders whenever they want it.
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It didn't even have to be a state of emergency.
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very clear, very clear that because they are appealing,
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they do not respect the constitution
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or the laws or the citizens.
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And so now we have to fight against them,
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against their appeal and try to defend our victory.
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The fact that this happened in New York,
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because for anyone that's not familiar
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with New York politics,
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New York is known to be a very progressive state,
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a very democratic state, a very left-wing state
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where we have people that are really pro-communist,
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pro-communism, pro-authoritarianism
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in leadership positions in this state,
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which is completely horrific and getting out of control.
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if you can see a lawsuit like this be successful
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in New York state, it sends a signal all over the country
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and it tells other states, wait a minute,
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if New York couldn't get away with that
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and New York has a very liberal lean to it,
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a very progressive lean to it,
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what does that tell the other states?
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A lot of times it'll tell the states,
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well, we better not even try that
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because if New York couldn't get away with it,
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how could we possibly get away with it here
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where we do have more protections for our citizens
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and we do have more regard for the constitution
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and existing state laws?
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So number one, it sends a very clear message
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to the other states in the nation
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about what's going to happen
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if you try to pass a right or promulgate a regulation
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like this one, which was so horribly illegal
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and unconstitutional, but it also gives people hope
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because it tells citizens around the country
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and possibly citizens around the world
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that you can stand up, you can fight back,
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when they are wrong, they are wrong
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and there's still justice in the courts
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that will uphold a just decision like this,
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even in such a liberal blue state like New York state.
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So really, I think the results of this win
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are going to be very far reaching and very positive overall.
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One thing I wanna point out, which is pretty sad
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is that the mainstream media here in the United States,
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even just here in New York state,
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are not paying attention to this lawsuit
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and not paying attention to our win.
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We've had maybe one, the New York Post did an article
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about this, but other than that,
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all the press that we've been getting about this regulation
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and about this win has come from,
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we call it alternative media sources.
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So bloggers, podcasters, local radio shows
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have picked up the story, but those are local.
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Those are not statewide.
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Those are not, certainly not nationwide,
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but yes, the mainstream media
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is keeping this as wide as possible.
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The reason, one of the reasons I think
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is because this is an election year here in New York state.
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So governor Hogle is up for election in November
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as is our attorney general, Latisha James.
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She's running for office again.
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She wants to be reelected for another four years.
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So I think they're trying to keep it very quiet
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because if the voters actually knew what was going on
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and that they're sitting governor
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and they're sitting attorney general
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or trying to overturn a decision that shot down
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for all intents and purposes,
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really they were quarantine camps.
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I mean, it gave them the power
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to create quarantine camps in New York.
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no matter which political party they were a member of,
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would be so up in arms that they would 100%
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vote these two people out of office,
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which is what needs to happen.
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The change needs to happen
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and the people have to go to the polls in November
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and the people have to vote in a new governor
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and they have to vote in a new attorney general
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who actually have regard for the constitution,
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for the laws of New York.
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we will be in a significantly better position
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than we are today.
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That is for sure.
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Excuse me.
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So I can give you, I can drop it in the chat,
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but I can give you a couple of websites
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that you could take a look at if you'd like more information,
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more details about the lawsuit and such,
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and I'm happy to take questions.
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But that's basically the overview
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that I just wanted to provide to everybody
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to give you kind of a background
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of what this lawsuit was all about
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and these significance of our win.
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Beautiful.
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Bobby and congratulations on that win.
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That is indeed a big, that is indeed a big win.
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If you can put the links to the judgments
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and indeed the pleadings that would be useful
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in the chat for everybody
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because people should be running this case
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in every state in the US against such regulations.
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And the principle everybody get really clear
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is that regulations can't be made contrary to existing laws.
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That's the simple principle.
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And so when their existing laws are in place in New York,
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protecting freedoms, protecting human rights,
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then elected officials can't simply declare an emergency
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and thereby claim that they can do whatever they like.
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That's the importance of this decision.
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Now, Bobby and can you, how difficult was the case?
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Two questions in particular, one, how long was the hearing?
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And two, did the state of New York pull any procedural stunts
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to prevent you getting into court?
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Yeah, I'm sorry, Charles.
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It was breaking up a little bit.
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Could you just repeat the question?
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Number one, how long was the hearing itself?
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And number two, did the state of New York
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try to pull any procedural stunts
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to prevent you from running your case?
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Yes, so I filed this lawsuit in April,
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first week of April this year.
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And the first thing that the attorney general did,
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because the attorney general in New York state
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represents the governor and the Department of Health.
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The first thing they did was they removed the case
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from state court to federal court.
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We have two different court systems in the United States.
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Every state has its own state system.
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And then you also have the federal court system,
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which is nationwide.
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So they tried to remove the case,
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or they did remove the case from state court
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up to federal court.
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They tried to say it was a federal case with federal issues
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and that I was making federal claims, which was not true.
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So I had to bring in a colleague of mine
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who, because they removed the case to a federal district
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in New York state where I am not currently admitted
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to practice.
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The federal courts,
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you have to be admitted individually to each one.
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So the one where I am admitted is near my home
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and my office in the southern part of New York state.
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And they removed it to a court
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in the Western district of New York state.
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So I'm doing this case pro bono.
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And so it's very difficult to ask other people to help
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because you're basically asking them to help for free
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and volunteer their time
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and not many people want to do that.
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So I did have to reach out to a colleague
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who was already admitted in that specific federal courts.
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And he absolutely jumped on board, volunteered his time
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and was excellent helping me very expeditiously, thankfully,
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get back into state court.
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And that was attorney Tom Marcel.
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And he is actually now running
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for New York state Supreme court judge.
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And so that was one of the first things that they did
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to try to derail our lawsuit.
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The next thing that they did was,
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so in this lawsuit,
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I am representing a group of New York state legislators.
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So Senator George Borrello,
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Assemblyman Mike Lawler and Assemblyman Chris Tague
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together with a citizens group
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called Uniting New York State.
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And so I'm representing the actual lawmakers
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in the state government, in the state legislature.
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So I have three who are named on the lawsuit
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and then I'm representing the others
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because we incorporate them through likeness basically.
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So then there was another group of legislators
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in New York state assembly
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who wanted to become a part of the lawsuit.
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And how they did that was by writing an amicus brief
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to support my case.
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And that was Assemblyman Andy Goodell
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who's also an attorney,
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Assemblyman Will Barkley and Assemblyman Joe Giglio.
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And basically they got together, they wrote this brief.
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It was authored by Assemblyman Andy Goodell,
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brilliant brief.
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And they filed it with the courts.
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And they basically,
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the attorney general's office basically said,
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well, we object, we don't want this to be admissible.
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We don't want the judge to read it and consider it.
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Opposing an amicus brief is very rare.
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It's not standard practice.
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And it really shows that the attorney general
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and the governor, I think they knew they had a losing case
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and they were just doing everything they could
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to try to slow it down.
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And also, as I said, I'm doing it pro bono.
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So they know that my resources are very limited
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because I don't have paying clients on this.
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I'm doing it out of my own volition and my own pocket.
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So the state has all of our tax dollars
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that they can use to help defend this.
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So the more that they can throw at me,
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the more that they can eat up my resources
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and wear me down.
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But we ultimately won.
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We did do motion practice on that issue
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and the judge did ruin our favor.
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And he said that the amicus brief was going to be allowed.
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And so they've been fighting tooth and nail,
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basically is my point here.
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And on the appeal, I am sure that they are going to try
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to throw in everything that they possibly can on the appeal.
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They're going to try and do a procedural excuse
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to try and overturn it.
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They're going to try and do legal excuse
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and fight me on the law and stuff.
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So I'm sure it's going to be a very detailed
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and long appeal on this.
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So I am asking people to help spread the word.
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The biggest thing that we need right now is for New Yorkers,
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I mean, Americans in general, but New Yorkers especially,
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and even global citizens to know about this lawsuit,
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to know about our win and to know about the appeal
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that's going on.
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Because the more people that know,
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I think the more press that will pick it up,
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if people know podcasters or newscasters
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or newspaper writers or bloggers or whatever,
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who would cover this story, please reach out to them.
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Please have them reach out to me.
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It's really important that we spread the word far
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and wide about this.
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It also, there are some international attorneys
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that have heard about this win already,
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and they've reached out to me to try to talk to me
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and get some insight into what my arguments were
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and how I structured the case in order to be successful.
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And so I've been talking with them.
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I'm happy to try to help other attorneys
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who either want to specifically fight back
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on quarantine issues,
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or if there's other government overreach,
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there are a lot of different kinds of COVID restrictions
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that governments have been doing the past two plus years.
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So this case could be a precedent or be a model
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for not just those governments that are trying to employ
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quarantine and isolation orders or facilities,
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it could also apply to other COVID restrictions,
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which are unconstitutional, illegal and such.
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So it can hopefully help many people,
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many attorneys stand up and push back in their state
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or in their country,
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because this is really a monumental win.
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This was the only lawsuit, it wasn't just the first lawsuit,
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this was the only lawsuit in the country of its kind.
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There was no other lawsuit challenging isolation
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and quarantine procedures.
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So it's really, it's quite historic.
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And again, I'm very happy to try to help whoever would like
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to have assistance, but we definitely need to have the word spread
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through alternative media or if anybody has contact
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with mainstream media and they're willing to pick this up,
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whether it's print, the Wall Street Journal,
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or the Washington Times, the Washington Post,
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any sort of publication that is willing to pick this up,
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that has a nice reach, I'm happy to do an interview
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or discuss talking points with them or whatnot,
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because getting the word out there is tremendous.
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I put it in the chat,
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but I can definitely put it in here again.
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Uniting New York State is the citizens group
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that I'm representing along with this group
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of New York State legislators.
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And they set up a webpage specifically for this lawsuit.
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It has a link to the regulation,
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so you could read the regulation itself.
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It has a link to the judge's decision,
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so you could read what the judge wrote about it.
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It has a press release.
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It has press conference that we did,
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I did with Senator Borrello,
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Assemblyman Tague and Assemblyman Lawler.
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When we first launched the lawsuit in April,
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we did a press conference.
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So the video to that is on this website.
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And there's a list of things people could do
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to get involved.
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If people wanna volunteer,
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if people wanna do media outreach,
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there are flyers on that website
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that people could either post.
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You can take it, download it,
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post it on your social media to help raise awareness,
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or you can print out flyers and hand them out.
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I mean, there's a multitude of things
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that people could do to get involved.
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And that's all at, again,
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I will type it here into the chat.
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It's unitingnys for Uniting New York State.
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So unitingnys.com slash lawsuit.
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And I'm going to also give an email.
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So I'm kind of reading the chat as I'm talking,
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but I'm not doing it to you.
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Don't get distracted by the chat
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because that's how the chat that goes on, Bobby Anne.
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So we're gonna have questions of you,
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hands go up so that's a more efficient way for you,
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but we'll get to the chat to you at the end.
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Or just save the chat anyway.
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That's terrific.
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All right, so spread the word everybody.
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And everybody please note the strategies
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taken by government bodies
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to make any legal proceedings difficult.
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And so whilst there's been a conversation,
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hey, lawyers aren't doing anything,
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it's important to realize that the government
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is doing every dirty trick in the book
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that it can possibly do.
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And Bobby Anne has given you a taste
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of those types of dirty tricks.
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Bobby Anne, traditionally questions first
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come from Stephen Frost and then people put your hands up.
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Stephen, do you have any questions of Bobby Anne?
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Just two seconds.
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So well done Bobby Anne, absolutely brilliant.
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And even better that you did it pro bono
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because a lot of lawyers argue that they can't do anything
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without any money, which is pathetic I think.
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And also Tom who helped you, what a hero.
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And the Senator and the two, there were two,
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what were they?
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I can't quite remember what they're.
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Yes, in New York state we call them senators in one house
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and then the other house are assemblymen.
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So I have two assemblymen Lawler and Tague
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on the lawsuit with Senator Borrello.
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Do you think they would like to come on to speak to us or not?
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Yeah, you broke up a little bit,
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but I can certainly reach out to them
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and see if they would be willing to come and speak.
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I know one of them, assemblyman Michael Lawler
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is actually now running for Congress,
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which is our federal level of government.
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So he's currently in the state of New York state government
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and he's trying to run now for a seat in Congress
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at the federal levels.
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Are they in contact with Senator Ron Johnson?
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I am not, no.
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No, are they?
590
0:29:01
0:29:03
Oh, you're not in contact.
591
0:29:03
0:29:06
Okay, well I can put you into contact with him,
592
0:29:06
0:29:08
but they're not in contact with him, no?
593
0:29:09
0:29:10
I have not asked them.
594
0:29:10
0:29:12
I'm assuming not, but I have not asked them
595
0:29:12
0:29:13
that specific question.
596
0:29:14
0:29:18
Okay, because Ron Johnson, sorry.
597
0:29:18
0:29:20
So Ron Johnson is running for re-election I think.
598
0:29:21
0:29:25
So I just wanted to ask you, they're appealing,
599
0:29:25
0:29:27
but can you cross appeal?
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0:29:29
0:29:30
Because it was past date 30.
601
0:29:30
0:29:33
I'm sorry, they're appealing and your question is what?
602
0:29:33
0:29:35
The question was, can you cross appeal?
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0:29:36
0:29:38
He's already had a go.
604
0:29:38
0:29:40
No, Natalie is.
605
0:29:44
0:29:45
But there is no response.
606
0:29:45
0:29:46
Charles.
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0:29:46
0:29:47
It's breaking up a little.
609
0:29:48
0:29:50
Got it, ma'am.
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0:29:51
0:29:53
For some reason I can't mute anybody, Charles.
611
0:29:53
0:29:55
I've got to instruct you, Stephen.
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0:29:55
0:29:59
I'll make you, anyway, keep going with questions
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0:29:59
0:30:00
of Bobby Anne.
614
0:30:00
0:30:03
Okay, so I wanted to ask you, Bobby Anne,
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0:30:03
0:30:05
whether you can cross appeal.
616
0:30:05
0:30:08
Do you know what that is or is that just in the UK?
617
0:30:08
0:30:12
Yeah, no, you can do that in New York as well.
618
0:30:12
0:30:14
If there's an appeal by one side,
619
0:30:14
0:30:18
you do have the opportunity to cross appeal
620
0:30:18
0:30:22
and argue back the points.
621
0:30:22
0:30:27
I did have a couple of attorneys in Germany
622
0:30:28
0:30:30
ask if they could do an amicus brief
623
0:30:30
0:30:33
to support the appeal, which I'm looking into.
624
0:30:33
0:30:36
I'm not quite sure if you can do that
625
0:30:36
0:30:39
on an international level, but I am looking into that.
626
0:30:41
0:30:46
So have you reached out to, what is his name, Kennedy,
627
0:30:46
0:30:49
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.?
628
0:30:49
0:30:54
Yes, so I, yes, his organization is called
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0:30:54
0:30:56
Children's Health Defense.
630
0:30:56
0:31:00
And I am in close touch with a number
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0:31:00
0:31:04
of the Children's Health Defense leaders in New York State.
632
0:31:04
0:31:07
They know about my lawsuit.
633
0:31:07
0:31:10
They have been, now that we've won,
634
0:31:10
0:31:11
they have been very helpful in trying
635
0:31:11
0:31:14
to help spread the word.
636
0:31:14
0:31:16
They did have me on for a couple of interviews
637
0:31:16
0:31:19
on Children's Health Defense television.
638
0:31:19
0:31:22
So I've done a couple of interviews there with them
639
0:31:22
0:31:25
and the president of Children's Health Defense,
640
0:31:25
0:31:27
Mary Holland, who's also an attorney,
641
0:31:28
0:31:32
has been supportive and she's helping me spread the word.
642
0:31:32
0:31:36
They're doing an article in one of their publications
643
0:31:36
0:31:38
about the lawsuit and the win and the appeal.
644
0:31:38
0:31:42
And yes, Bobby Kennedy Jr., I know,
645
0:31:42
0:31:45
he was actually one of my professors in law school.
646
0:31:45
0:31:50
So I know Bobby and I told him about this lawsuit
647
0:31:50
0:31:51
just before I filed it.
648
0:31:51
0:31:54
I saw him at a function in New York City
649
0:31:54
0:31:54
and I told him about it.
650
0:31:54
0:31:56
So he was also supportive of it.
652
0:31:58
0:32:00
Have you told him that you won it?
653
0:32:00
0:32:01
Does he know?
654
0:32:01
0:32:03
I have not spoken with him yet about that, no.
655
0:32:03
0:32:05
I think he knows through his network,
656
0:32:05
0:32:08
but I have not spoken directly with him about it.
657
0:32:09
0:32:12
So I just wanted to ask how many states
658
0:32:12
0:32:17
had this type of regulation concerning,
659
0:32:17
0:32:19
how many states out of the 50
660
0:32:19
0:32:21
have this type of regulation now?
661
0:32:22
0:32:27
So to my knowledge, New York was the only state
662
0:32:27
0:32:30
that had the regulation in place,
663
0:32:30
0:32:34
meaning that Governor Hokel has been promulgating
664
0:32:34
0:32:37
this regulation since she took office in August last year
665
0:32:37
0:32:41
when our former governor Cuomo stepped down.
666
0:32:41
0:32:42
She was the Lieutenant Governor
667
0:32:42
0:32:44
and she rose automatically to be governor.
668
0:32:44
0:32:47
So she's not even technically elected.
669
0:32:48
0:32:51
So she's been issuing this since last August
670
0:32:52
0:32:57
and basically, I mean, completely illegally
671
0:32:57
0:33:01
and with no regard to the fact that it is illegal.
672
0:33:01
0:33:05
And so, yeah, so she's been doing this consistently.
673
0:33:05
0:33:09
I don't know, I think Washington State,
674
0:33:09
0:33:12
which is out on the West Coast,
675
0:33:12
0:33:15
I think they have something in place.
676
0:33:15
0:33:17
I am not quite aware.
677
0:33:17
0:33:18
Somebody did mention it to me,
678
0:33:18
0:33:21
but I have not done any research to see what that is.
679
0:33:21
0:33:22
And California maybe?
680
0:33:24
0:33:25
California maybe?
681
0:33:25
0:33:27
No, California does not.
683
0:33:28
0:33:29
California does not.
684
0:33:29
0:33:32
But what happens in the United States
685
0:33:32
0:33:37
is oftentimes you will see somebody,
686
0:33:37
0:33:38
something will happen in New York
687
0:33:38
0:33:41
and then all of a sudden, it becomes a trend.
688
0:33:42
0:33:45
So it was really important to stop this here in New York
689
0:33:45
0:33:49
because then, if I was not able to,
690
0:33:49
0:33:51
or if they went on appeal or something,
691
0:33:51
0:33:54
then certainly we would see it continuing
692
0:33:54
0:33:56
and taking hold in other states as well.
694
0:33:59
0:34:03
So, Bobbi-Ann, I just wanted to ask you,
695
0:34:05
0:34:08
so you don't know of any kind of regulation
696
0:34:08
0:34:12
which even comes near this regulation about the quarantine?
697
0:34:12
0:34:13
Is that right?
698
0:34:15
0:34:17
You're asking if I know any other regulations like this one?
699
0:34:17
0:34:19
You don't know of any other regulations
700
0:34:19
0:34:22
in any other state apart from Washington State,
701
0:34:22
0:34:23
is that right?
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0:34:25
0:34:26
Correct.
703
0:34:26
0:34:27
I do not know of any that you know of.
704
0:34:28
0:34:31
I don't know of any that currently have
705
0:34:31
0:34:33
this regulation in place.
706
0:34:33
0:34:35
That doesn't mean that they,
707
0:34:35
0:34:36
maybe there are states that do,
708
0:34:36
0:34:38
but the people just don't know about it
709
0:34:38
0:34:40
and therefore, we haven't heard about it,
710
0:34:40
0:34:42
or perhaps they're contemplating it.
711
0:34:42
0:34:44
Yes, I understand.
712
0:34:44
0:34:45
It's in the works or something,
713
0:34:45
0:34:47
but I don't know of any that actually have it.
714
0:34:47
0:34:49
I believe New York was the first.
716
0:34:50
0:34:53
So I've got a question, Avery, do you know whether,
717
0:34:53
0:34:56
have you heard anything on C19D
718
0:34:56
0:34:57
surrounding that?
719
0:34:57
0:34:59
I haven't seen anything about this case
720
0:34:59
0:35:02
because I think it's, I mean, I could do it of course,
721
0:35:02
0:35:06
but I was interested to see whether it would actually hit
722
0:35:06
0:35:09
C19D, but I don't think it has.
723
0:35:09
0:35:09
So in that case,
724
0:35:09
0:35:14
The news media in this country has aired the success
725
0:35:14
0:35:18
that Bobbie Anne has had of winning this case.
726
0:35:18
0:35:21
So that's been out in the news.
727
0:35:21
0:35:22
I would just suggest to her,
728
0:35:22
0:35:26
if she wants to have a fairly easy route to an interview,
729
0:35:26
0:35:29
she may want to check with Newsmax amongst others
730
0:35:30
0:35:31
if she hasn't yet.
731
0:35:31
0:35:34
The other thing is I know in the state of Florida,
732
0:35:35
0:35:37
buried in our regulations,
733
0:35:37
0:35:39
there's something about the Department of Health
734
0:35:39
0:35:43
has the, or state surgeon general has the ability
735
0:35:43
0:35:48
to order certain things that can be done to people.
736
0:35:48
0:35:50
Laurie, you might want to chime in
737
0:35:50
0:35:53
if I'm incorrect about this,
738
0:35:53
0:35:56
but I know Sean McBride, the attorney here in Florida
739
0:35:56
0:35:58
has harped on this,
740
0:35:58
0:36:02
the fact that we need to make changes to subtleties
741
0:36:02
0:36:05
that are in our Florida state statutes
742
0:36:05
0:36:07
that would give the Department of Health
743
0:36:07
0:36:10
or the state surgeon general certain rights
744
0:36:10
0:36:13
that can encroach on our freedoms.
745
0:36:13
0:36:14
Is that right, Laurie?
746
0:36:14
0:36:17
Yeah, we definitely, so we do have this
747
0:36:17
0:36:19
and Bobbie Anne, from what I understand,
748
0:36:19
0:36:20
most states do have it.
749
0:36:20
0:36:24
And so even with great old Governor DeSantis,
750
0:36:24
0:36:27
we have its Florida statute 381.00315.
751
0:36:30
0:36:33
And just, this is reading from attorney Sean McBride's
752
0:36:33
0:36:37
warnings to us about how we're really not free here,
753
0:36:37
0:36:39
allows the state health officer
754
0:36:39
0:36:44
to order anyone to be quarantined, isolated, examined,
755
0:36:44
0:36:47
tested, or treated for public health
756
0:36:47
0:36:49
during a public health emergency,
757
0:36:49
0:36:51
and allows law enforcement to be used.
758
0:36:51
0:36:55
So we're trying to engage our sheriffs here,
759
0:36:55
0:36:58
like Micah was talking about,
760
0:36:58
0:37:00
because they're our bottom line.
761
0:37:01
0:37:05
They're the only ones who can stop this county by county.
762
0:37:05
0:37:07
And the other thing I wanted to tell you, Bobbie Anne,
763
0:37:07
0:37:11
is so I've worked with Ralph Larego,
764
0:37:11
0:37:13
I don't know if you're familiar with him in New York,
765
0:37:13
0:37:17
so he helps families who, like mine,
766
0:37:17
0:37:19
my sister was murdered in the hospital
767
0:37:19
0:37:21
by the CDC protocols.
768
0:37:21
0:37:26
So he helps families to try to get them the court orders
769
0:37:26
0:37:29
to get the patient the treatment that they need.
770
0:37:29
0:37:33
And he is head of the conservative party in New York,
771
0:37:33
0:37:36
and he can definitely connect you.
772
0:37:36
0:37:40
And I know would be very happy to book the governor
773
0:37:40
0:37:45
and the AG, so I would think that you connecting with him
774
0:37:46
0:37:48
and him knowing about your case,
775
0:37:48
0:37:51
I'm gonna email him and let him know about that,
776
0:37:51
0:37:54
because I think y'all can work together.
777
0:37:54
0:37:58
And he has so many connections to do that.
778
0:37:58
0:38:02
So yeah, Bobbie Anne, so I think we can help you,
779
0:38:03
0:38:05
but we need to know what you need,
780
0:38:05
0:38:08
and maybe you have not time to really think about it.
781
0:38:08
0:38:10
You said earlier, and I'd worked this out for myself,
782
0:38:10
0:38:12
and I'm not a lawyer,
783
0:38:12
0:38:16
that the New York State win is hugely important
784
0:38:16
0:38:21
for America in that other states will follow suit, hopefully,
785
0:38:21
0:38:23
or other lawyers will follow your example
786
0:38:24
0:38:25
and challenge this.
787
0:38:25
0:38:29
So Laurie thinks that they've got at least this regulation
788
0:38:29
0:38:30
in place in Florida.
789
0:38:30
0:38:31
It's for sure.
790
0:38:31
0:38:32
Yeah, it's for sure.
791
0:38:32
0:38:34
We're trying to fight it, we're trying to repeal it,
792
0:38:34
0:38:37
and Todd Callender would like to get with Bobbie Anne.
793
0:38:37
0:38:39
So the next question, Laurie, is why has no lawyer
794
0:38:39
0:38:41
in Florida challenged this?
795
0:38:41
0:38:44
And why has the attorney general in Florida
796
0:38:44
0:38:46
not said anything about it?
797
0:38:46
0:38:49
And why hasn't the Santa's listened to us about it?
798
0:38:49
0:38:53
I mean, we have been very vocal, very vocal.
799
0:38:53
0:38:54
They ignore us.
800
0:38:54
0:38:56
I mean, we did rallies, we did, I mean,
801
0:38:56
0:39:00
I hand delivered information to them.
802
0:39:00
0:39:02
So it's political right now.
803
0:39:02
0:39:04
He's trying to get reelected.
804
0:39:04
0:39:06
Well, it seems to me it's more than political.
805
0:39:06
0:39:09
It's lawyers who are sitting on their hands,
806
0:39:09
0:39:10
waiting for money to arrive,
807
0:39:11
0:39:14
which isn't going to arrive in what is an emergency
808
0:39:14
0:39:16
from all our points of view,
809
0:39:16
0:39:21
but not the kind of emergency that the WHO is talking about.
810
0:39:21
0:39:23
Well, Tom is on this call too,
811
0:39:23
0:39:25
and Tom has worked with Sean,
812
0:39:25
0:39:28
who's the attorney who's been screaming about this.
813
0:39:28
0:39:31
And they've actually met with legislators
814
0:39:31
0:39:32
and other attorneys.
815
0:39:32
0:39:36
So they're trying, it's just not,
816
0:39:36
0:39:37
I mean, that's why we're moving on.
817
0:39:37
0:39:41
Sorry to say a lot of attorneys won't do anything
818
0:39:41
0:39:43
if they're not paid.
819
0:39:43
0:39:44
And that's terrible.
820
0:39:45
0:39:48
Listen, listen, Steven, my name's Tom Maltourke.
821
0:39:48
0:39:49
I'm here in central Florida.
822
0:39:49
0:39:52
I'm with move freely America.org.
823
0:39:52
0:39:55
My state unit is move freely Florida.
824
0:39:55
0:40:00
We fight for medical freedom statutes at the state level.
825
0:40:01
0:40:04
You have to understand each state is different.
826
0:40:04
0:40:05
The laws are different.
827
0:40:05
0:40:09
Bobby Anne said New York had a law on the books
828
0:40:09
0:40:12
that been there since the 60s, and they went around it.
829
0:40:12
0:40:15
You have to understand in the US,
830
0:40:15
0:40:19
the politics at the state level is insane.
831
0:40:19
0:40:21
It's not just the federal insanity
832
0:40:21
0:40:24
that we see out of the Marxists in DC.
833
0:40:24
0:40:27
It's in Tallahassee here in Florida.
834
0:40:27
0:40:31
And DeSantis has done a great job generating a narrative
835
0:40:31
0:40:34
that this is a free state.
836
0:40:34
0:40:35
It's not.
837
0:40:35
0:40:38
If you look at the statutes, there are six statutes
838
0:40:38
0:40:41
that are anti-medical freedom.
839
0:40:41
0:40:44
They can quarantine us, force quarantine us,
840
0:40:44
0:40:45
and force treat us.
841
0:40:45
0:40:48
He signed that law in 2020,
842
0:40:48
0:40:51
like all the other governors did with the pandemic
843
0:40:51
0:40:55
and the scare tactics and COVID hysteria.
844
0:40:55
0:40:58
It's still with us at this time.
845
0:40:58
0:41:01
The lobbyists are knee deep in Tallahassee,
846
0:41:01
0:41:03
in these state capitals.
847
0:41:04
0:41:06
There is so much money to be made
848
0:41:06
0:41:08
with a force quarantine, force treatment law
849
0:41:08
0:41:13
for the Florida Hospital Association and for Big Pharma.
850
0:41:13
0:41:18
If they lose these laws, that is an income hit to them.
851
0:41:18
0:41:22
One of the reasons the Florida State Constitution
852
0:41:22
0:41:27
is so amended is because it's absolute gridlock
853
0:41:27
0:41:30
in Tallahassee.
854
0:41:30
0:41:32
You have three Republicans running the state.
855
0:41:32
0:41:34
DeSantis, Speaker Sprouls,
856
0:41:34
0:41:37
and Senate President, Wilton Simpson.
857
0:41:37
0:41:39
They fight like cats.
858
0:41:39
0:41:43
They don't legislate, they do deals.
859
0:41:43
0:41:46
It may benefit the people, but it benefits the politicians.
860
0:41:46
0:41:50
And if you look at the campaign finance donation page,
861
0:41:50
0:41:53
you will see millions and millions of dollars
862
0:41:53
0:41:55
flowing into political action.
863
0:41:55
0:42:00
This has nothing to do with what's right or what's wrong.
864
0:42:00
0:42:04
This is all about power, money, and authority.
865
0:42:04
0:42:08
And when DeSantis leaves and goes to Washington, DC,
866
0:42:08
0:42:13
I have run into the socialists in Tallahassee,
867
0:42:13
0:42:17
who are in geosynchronous orbit around state legislator
868
0:42:17
0:42:19
waiting to jump in.
869
0:42:19
0:42:23
Remember the crackhead, Gillum, Andrew Gillum,
870
0:42:23
0:42:24
he almost won.
871
0:42:27
0:42:29
These elections are not a done deal.
872
0:42:29
0:42:33
Nobody wants November, this fall, the midterms to happen.
873
0:42:33
0:42:35
There's so much in play here.
874
0:42:36
0:42:38
So you guys gotta understand something.
875
0:42:38
0:42:41
This is warfare.
876
0:42:41
0:42:43
They are at war against us.
877
0:42:43
0:42:48
They will come after people like Bobby Anne and her team.
878
0:42:48
0:42:51
They'll come after every single one of you.
879
0:42:51
0:42:54
They're probably watching this call.
880
0:42:55
0:42:59
Whatever country you live in, whatever state you live in,
881
0:42:59
0:43:03
whatever precinct, you better know the laws.
882
0:43:03
0:43:06
And you better take on your civic duty,
883
0:43:06
0:43:08
band together with citizens,
884
0:43:08
0:43:13
and fight this tyranny tooth and nail, and never give up.
885
0:43:13
0:43:15
Fight it to the death.
886
0:43:15
0:43:17
Take your rights back.
887
0:43:17
0:43:19
Take your sovereignty back.
888
0:43:19
0:43:21
This country was founded on state's rights
889
0:43:21
0:43:23
and state sovereignty.
890
0:43:23
0:43:27
We didn't want an almighty power in Washington, DC,
891
0:43:27
0:43:30
but by golly, we've got it
892
0:43:30
0:43:33
because we failed in our civic duty.
893
0:43:33
0:43:35
We were too busy raising our kids,
894
0:43:35
0:43:39
going to baseball games and watching the football game.
895
0:43:39
0:43:41
But it's time to get off the couch,
896
0:43:41
0:43:46
put down the remote, do what Bobby Anne did, and fight.
897
0:43:46
0:43:48
With all you've got, you've gotta fight.
898
0:43:48
0:43:53
We can sit around here and pee up a flagpole all day long,
899
0:43:53
0:43:55
but until we band together and fight
900
0:43:55
0:43:59
and do something like Bobby Anne did, which is Herculean,
901
0:43:59
0:44:01
and her work's not over.
902
0:44:01
0:44:02
They're coming after her.
903
0:44:04
0:44:08
Tom, are you the lawyer who helped Bobby Anne?
904
0:44:08
0:44:08
I'm not a lawyer.
905
0:44:08
0:44:11
I'm just a guy that's pissed off.
907
0:44:13
0:44:15
I'm a retired Marine fighter pilot.
908
0:44:15
0:44:17
I play for keeps.
910
0:44:19
0:44:22
Tom, are you in contact with the two generals
911
0:44:22
0:44:23
I'm in contact with?
913
0:44:25
0:44:28
There's a bunch of people on here.
914
0:44:28
0:44:33
The Move Freely America is in 32 states.
915
0:44:33
0:44:35
In Florida, we have a massive coalition
916
0:44:35
0:44:37
of medical freedom people.
917
0:44:37
0:44:39
It's very powerful.
918
0:44:39
0:44:40
Lori's involved.
919
0:44:41
0:44:45
So we're fighting at the state level
920
0:44:45
0:44:48
to take back states' rights and state sovereignty.
921
0:44:48
0:44:50
Until we're successful at that,
922
0:44:50
0:44:53
we are going to get our asses handed to us
923
0:44:53
0:44:55
every single time.
924
0:44:55
0:44:57
And when we go to Tallahassee,
925
0:44:57
0:44:59
we've got all our ducks in a row.
926
0:44:59
0:45:03
And if it doesn't make political sense, it doesn't happen.
927
0:45:03
0:45:06
And by political sense, not us, we the people,
928
0:45:06
0:45:11
but them, the politicians with the big money lobbyists.
929
0:45:13
0:45:15
Because when you don't fulfill your civic duty
930
0:45:15
0:45:18
or whatever you call it in your country,
931
0:45:18
0:45:20
the lobbyists are gonna take over.
932
0:45:20
0:45:24
Every single federal and state politician
933
0:45:24
0:45:26
in the United States of America
934
0:45:26
0:45:29
has money in their pockets from big pharma.
935
0:45:30
0:45:34
And when this mandate came out,
936
0:45:34
0:45:37
that was $30 billion to big pharma
937
0:45:37
0:45:42
that did not have to go to sales and marketing.
938
0:45:42
0:45:44
That went straight to the bottom line,
939
0:45:44
0:45:46
into the political action funds,
940
0:45:46
0:45:48
and right to the politicians.
941
0:45:48
0:45:51
And don't you think the Senator Ron Johnson can help you?
942
0:45:51
0:45:52
He can't.
943
0:45:52
0:45:54
Why is he by himself?
945
0:45:56
0:45:57
Where's Ted Cruz?
946
0:45:57
0:45:58
Oh, that's right.
947
0:45:58
0:46:01
Ted Cruz's wife, Heidi, works for Pfizer.
948
0:46:02
0:46:06
Everyone, there's 120 state reps in Florida
949
0:46:06
0:46:08
and 40 state senators.
950
0:46:08
0:46:12
Every single one of them has big pharma money.
951
0:46:13
0:46:16
This is war, ladies and gentlemen.
952
0:46:16
0:46:19
It's time to stand up and fight.
953
0:46:19
0:46:22
You've gotta fight the forces of evil.
954
0:46:22
0:46:25
If you're a lawyer, you gotta fight like Bobby M.
955
0:46:25
0:46:28
If you're a doctor, you better fight like Robert Malone.
956
0:46:28
0:46:30
And if you're an ordinary citizen like me,
957
0:46:30
0:46:32
you better fight.
958
0:46:32
0:46:33
Now, I'm gonna shut up.
959
0:46:33
0:46:37
I recommend you let Hernan talk.
960
0:46:37
0:46:38
He's got his hand up.
961
0:46:38
0:46:40
That's a very, very smart man right there.
962
0:46:40
0:46:42
He's part of our coalition.
964
0:46:43
0:46:44
Charles?
965
0:46:44
0:46:45
Thank you.
966
0:46:45
0:46:46
Thank you, Tom.
967
0:46:46
0:46:49
Stephen, have you finished your questions of Bobby?
968
0:46:50
0:46:52
Well, I was in the middle of them.
969
0:46:52
0:46:53
Let me just have a look, Bobby.
970
0:46:55
0:46:59
So what I thought was, I think we can get you onto,
971
0:46:59
0:47:03
I don't know, Avery, could we get Bobby Anne onto Joe Rogan?
972
0:47:03
0:47:06
I mean, after that speech, I agree with you, Tom, by the way.
973
0:47:08
0:47:10
It may not make that much difference.
974
0:47:10
0:47:14
But so I think that a lot of people don't know
975
0:47:14
0:47:15
about Bobby Anne's victory,
976
0:47:15
0:47:18
and it's very important that they do know about it.
977
0:47:19
0:47:23
And it may have been mentioned on C-19D, Avery,
978
0:47:23
0:47:25
but I haven't seen it.
979
0:47:25
0:47:27
And that's a big miss in my opinion.
980
0:47:27
0:47:29
So they're all talking about the data
981
0:47:29
0:47:31
and they think it's all about the data
982
0:47:31
0:47:32
and it's not about the data.
983
0:47:32
0:47:34
It's about looking at cases like this,
984
0:47:34
0:47:37
which can be repeated all around America
985
0:47:37
0:47:38
and all over the world.
986
0:47:39
0:47:43
Stephen, I don't actually participate in C-19D.
987
0:47:43
0:47:47
It's too much chatter, too many messages,
988
0:47:47
0:47:50
most of which I found irrelevant last year.
989
0:47:50
0:47:51
I'm in C21X.
990
0:47:51
0:47:54
C21X is a lot more focused,
991
0:47:54
0:47:57
very, very focused on early treatment,
992
0:47:57
0:48:00
on the vaccines, on trying to get,
993
0:48:00
0:48:03
we're the ones that actually had that article last night
994
0:48:03
0:48:06
from Steve Kirsch that was shared.
995
0:48:06
0:48:09
So we've got a lot of people in our group, over 200.
996
0:48:09
0:48:13
I mean, you have Paul Alexander and Dr. Erso,
997
0:48:13
0:48:16
Dr. Amerling, who's in our group here in Florida.
998
0:48:17
0:48:18
The list goes on.
999
0:48:18
0:48:19
Kelly Vick.
1000
0:48:19
0:48:22
Do any of those people in C21X,
1001
0:48:22
0:48:24
you know, the people you're just talking about now,
1002
0:48:24
0:48:26
do they know about this victory in New York State?
1003
0:48:26
0:48:28
Because the victory in New York State,
1004
0:48:28
0:48:32
if I'm not mistaken, is very important, isn't it, Bobby Anne?
1005
0:48:32
0:48:36
New York State is not just any old state.
1006
0:48:36
0:48:38
Isn't it the golden state?
1007
0:48:40
0:48:41
I thought that was California.
1008
0:48:43
0:48:46
Oh, I thought they had one on the East as well.
1009
0:48:46
0:48:47
Maybe so.
1010
0:48:47
0:48:49
I haven't seen a message on C21X.
1011
0:48:49
0:48:51
I mean, it's been all matter.
1012
0:48:51
0:48:53
Anyway, we're gonna get the message.
1013
0:48:53
0:48:55
Let's work a strategy to get the message out.
1014
0:48:55
0:48:57
Steven? Yeah, we need to think about it, yeah.
1015
0:48:57
0:49:00
I'll get this out to C21X.
1016
0:49:00
0:49:01
All right.
1017
0:49:01
0:49:04
Charles, do you want to ask Hernan to speak?
1018
0:49:05
0:49:08
We've got hands up, so let's get the hands.
1019
0:49:08
0:49:10
So Bobby Anne, are you okay for the next 40 minutes?
1020
0:49:10
0:49:13
We're going until the...
1022
0:49:16
0:49:17
What time would that be?
1023
0:49:17
0:49:22
10.30 UK time, 8.30 AM Melbourne time.
1024
0:49:22
0:49:23
So Hernan, next.
1025
0:49:25
0:49:28
Thank you, Tom Alderick, for the shout out.
1026
0:49:28
0:49:31
A very quick narrative.
1027
0:49:31
0:49:34
The first one is in any war,
1028
0:49:34
0:49:36
you look at the problem from a tactical
1029
0:49:36
0:49:38
and a strategic level.
1030
0:49:38
0:49:41
The majority of what I hear is at the tactical level.
1031
0:49:41
0:49:43
So the question is,
1032
0:49:43
0:49:46
what is our offensive plan at the strategic level?
1033
0:49:46
0:49:49
And my follow-on question to that is,
1034
0:49:49
0:49:53
why are we not working together to change the laws?
1035
0:49:53
0:49:58
Okay, so the issue is,
1036
0:50:01
0:50:06
there has to be a lot of volunteer effort involved.
1037
0:50:09
0:50:11
What I have seen the last couple of years,
1038
0:50:11
0:50:14
because before I brought this lawsuit
1039
0:50:14
0:50:17
in the spring of this year,
1040
0:50:17
0:50:20
I was doing a lot of advocacy work.
1041
0:50:20
0:50:23
The last year, I was doing a lot of advocacy work.
1042
0:50:24
0:50:27
The last two years, which happened completely.
1043
0:50:27
0:50:28
It was not planned at all.
1044
0:50:29
0:50:33
I was just practicing law, doing my thing.
1045
0:50:33
0:50:37
And when March of 2020 came around
1046
0:50:37
0:50:41
and they started locking people down in their homes,
1047
0:50:43
0:50:44
yeah, I said, no, no, sorry.
1048
0:50:44
0:50:47
This is not how government works.
1049
0:50:47
0:50:49
Everybody's gone completely crazy.
1050
0:50:49
0:50:51
The constitution was not written
1051
0:50:51
0:50:53
to keep the people in check.
1052
0:50:53
0:50:54
The constitution was written
1053
0:50:54
0:50:56
to keep the politicians in check.
1054
0:50:56
0:50:59
So I started to speak out
1055
0:51:00
0:51:05
and people were reaching out texts, phone calls, emails.
1056
0:51:06
0:51:09
Nobody knew, do I have to lock down?
1057
0:51:09
0:51:10
Do I have to shut my business?
1058
0:51:10
0:51:11
Can I go to work?
1059
0:51:11
0:51:13
Can I open my store?
1060
0:51:13
0:51:14
Can I open my restaurant?
1061
0:51:14
0:51:15
Am I gonna get arrested?
1062
0:51:15
0:51:17
People didn't know what was going on.
1063
0:51:17
0:51:18
What was legal?
1064
0:51:18
0:51:19
What wasn't?
1065
0:51:19
0:51:19
What was constitutional?
1066
0:51:19
0:51:20
What wasn't?
1067
0:51:20
0:51:23
So I actually just started making videos
1068
0:51:23
0:51:25
and posting them on the internet for free,
1069
0:51:25
0:51:27
just for people to get information
1070
0:51:27
0:51:31
so they could understand what was going on.
1071
0:51:31
0:51:34
So I started posting on Rumble,
1072
0:51:34
0:51:35
first YouTube and then they censored me.
1073
0:51:35
0:51:36
So then I went over to Rumble.
1074
0:51:36
0:51:40
So I actually, I don't post often now
1075
0:51:40
0:51:43
because I'm very, very busy with this case and other work.
1076
0:51:43
0:51:48
But the name on Rumble is All Things Lawyer,
1077
0:51:49
0:51:50
is the name of the channel.
1078
0:51:51
0:51:55
But my point is that people don't typically step up
1079
0:51:55
0:51:57
and do something unless they are being directly
1080
0:51:57
0:52:00
and imminently threatened with something
1081
0:52:00
0:52:01
that they don't like.
1082
0:52:01
0:52:06
So if people hear about, even with my lawsuit
1083
0:52:06
0:52:07
for quarantine camps, right?
1084
0:52:07
0:52:08
I mean, you would think people
1085
0:52:08
0:52:11
would be completely outraged,
1086
0:52:11
0:52:14
but a lot of people hear about it and then they say,
1087
0:52:14
0:52:17
well, I can't imagine that the state
1088
0:52:17
0:52:19
would actually enforce that.
1089
0:52:20
0:52:22
I can't imagine that they would actually do that.
1090
0:52:22
0:52:25
Or I haven't heard of anybody actually getting locked up.
1091
0:52:25
0:52:27
So unless they're actually knocking on someone's door
1092
0:52:27
0:52:29
and saying, we're taking your child now
1093
0:52:29
0:52:31
and we'll let you know when you get to see them again,
1094
0:52:31
0:52:33
a lot of people aren't gonna step up
1095
0:52:33
0:52:35
and volunteer their time.
1096
0:52:35
0:52:39
So it comes down to trying to get organizations
1097
0:52:39
0:52:44
that already exist that are fighting other fights
1098
0:52:45
0:52:49
to come together on, for example, this issue,
1099
0:52:49
0:52:53
because in my opinion and in the judge's opinion on my case,
1100
0:52:53
0:52:55
cause he asked this during oral arguments
1101
0:52:55
0:52:58
when the attorney general and I were sparring
1102
0:52:59
0:53:01
during oral arguments in court,
1103
0:53:01
0:53:06
he said, isn't having a quarantine or isolation order
1104
0:53:09
0:53:12
a lot different than having to wear a mask?
1105
0:53:14
0:53:19
Doesn't it violate a significant human right
1106
0:53:19
0:53:21
to move freely about your life?
1107
0:53:22
0:53:24
And of course the attorney general said, no,
1108
0:53:24
0:53:26
there's no difference between having to wear a mask
1109
0:53:26
0:53:31
or being locked up for days or weeks or months on end
1110
0:53:32
0:53:34
without any proof that you actually did anything wrong.
1111
0:53:34
0:53:39
So this is a topic that I think everybody globally
1112
0:53:42
0:53:43
should be concerned with.
1113
0:53:43
0:53:48
And we're actually seeing these quarantine facilities,
1114
0:53:48
0:53:51
these forced quarantines in countries,
1115
0:53:51
0:53:54
obviously China, but in Canada, in Australia,
1116
0:53:54
0:53:57
I mean, you're seeing these things happen.
1117
0:53:57
0:54:01
And so here in the United States or here in New York,
1118
0:54:01
0:54:03
it's hard to get people to move and do something
1119
0:54:03
0:54:05
because it's not in their face
1120
0:54:05
0:54:07
and it's not knocking on their door.
1121
0:54:08
0:54:12
But I do think that it is very important topic.
1122
0:54:12
0:54:16
If something like this takes hold in New York,
1123
0:54:17
0:54:22
guaranteed 1000%, it will spread like wildfire
1124
0:54:22
0:54:23
across the country.
1125
0:54:23
0:54:25
The other states will look and say, well, wait a minute,
1126
0:54:25
0:54:28
wait a minute, New York is allowed to forcibly quarantine
1127
0:54:28
0:54:30
and isolate their citizens.
1128
0:54:30
0:54:32
So can we, we're gonna do it too.
1129
0:54:32
0:54:37
We saw this with, we've seen it for a long time,
1130
0:54:37
0:54:39
but most recently, I'll give an example
1131
0:54:39
0:54:42
because it's restricting freedom and religious beliefs.
1132
0:54:42
0:54:45
We saw it when New York state in 2019
1133
0:54:45
0:54:50
got rid of the religious exemption possibility
1134
0:54:51
0:54:53
for children getting a vaccine.
1135
0:54:53
0:54:58
So in 2019, New York state legislature changed their law
1136
0:54:58
0:55:03
to say that a child cannot be exempt from getting a vaccine
1137
0:55:03
0:55:05
for a religious purpose, for a religious meaning.
1138
0:55:07
0:55:10
And then all of a sudden, oh, wait a minute,
1139
0:55:10
0:55:12
now New Jersey tried to do it.
1140
0:55:12
0:55:14
Wait a minute, now Connecticut did it.
1141
0:55:14
0:55:16
It actually passed in Connecticut last year.
1142
0:55:16
0:55:18
So now Connecticut, you can't have
1143
0:55:18
0:55:20
a religious exemption either.
1144
0:55:20
0:55:24
So things start to trickle out from New York
1145
0:55:24
0:55:25
and then they just spread.
1146
0:55:25
0:55:28
And then once they go to all the blue states,
1147
0:55:28
0:55:29
eventually they're gonna go to all the states.
1148
0:55:29
0:55:33
And then the federal government comes in and says,
1149
0:55:33
0:55:35
oh, well, look, all the states like this law,
1150
0:55:35
0:55:36
they all have it.
1151
0:55:36
0:55:38
Now we're gonna do it at the federal level
1152
0:55:38
0:55:40
because obviously that's what the citizens want
1153
0:55:40
0:55:42
because look at all the states that already have it.
1154
0:55:42
0:55:46
So it's just, it's tyranny.
1155
0:55:46
0:55:48
It's tyranny like unbelievably.
1156
0:55:49
0:55:54
And it's gotta be stopped here and now
1157
0:55:54
0:55:57
because now other states can look and say,
1158
0:55:57
0:55:59
oh gosh, that got shot down in New York.
1159
0:55:59
0:56:01
Yeah, okay, well, I guess I shouldn't try it
1160
0:56:01
0:56:03
because if New York couldn't get away with it,
1161
0:56:03
0:56:05
certainly we can't get away with it.
1162
0:56:05
0:56:09
But that's why fighting this appeal is so crucial
1163
0:56:09
0:56:13
because if they are able to overturn this decision,
1164
0:56:13
0:56:15
now we're back to square one
1165
0:56:15
0:56:17
where the regulation will become valid again.
1166
0:56:17
0:56:19
And now we're back to square one
1167
0:56:19
0:56:22
fighting against complete tyranny
1168
0:56:22
0:56:26
and then having it spread across the country to other states.
1169
0:56:26
0:56:27
And once it's across the country to other states
1170
0:56:27
0:56:29
or once it's federal in the United States,
1171
0:56:29
0:56:31
I think we all know what's gonna happen
1172
0:56:31
0:56:32
to all the other countries around the world
1173
0:56:32
0:56:34
when they're saying, well, wait a minute,
1174
0:56:34
0:56:36
the United States is allowed to forcibly quarantine
1175
0:56:36
0:56:38
or isolate their people without any proof
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0:56:38
0:56:40
that they did anything wrong.
1177
0:56:40
0:56:43
They don't have any proof they actually have a disease.
1178
0:56:43
0:56:48
So it's just a little tiny thing to some people.
1179
0:56:51
0:56:56
Like somebody in Kansas or somebody in Oregon or whatever
1180
0:56:57
0:57:00
saying, oh, well, who cares if New York's governor
1181
0:57:00
0:57:04
is allowed to force her citizens into quarantine
1182
0:57:04
0:57:07
without proof of anything?
1183
0:57:07
0:57:10
It does matter to the person sitting at their table,
1184
0:57:10
0:57:14
having dinner in Kansas because Kansas is gonna come,
1185
0:57:14
0:57:15
it's gonna come to you next.
1186
0:57:15
0:57:18
And then once it's across the country, in this country,
1187
0:57:18
0:57:20
where are you going to go and hide?
1188
0:57:20
0:57:22
Like it's just, it's tyranny
1189
0:57:22
0:57:26
and it's going to become prevalent if we don't stop it.
1190
0:57:26
0:57:27
And in my opinion,
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0:57:27
0:57:29
here is where we stop it at the nugget, right?
1192
0:57:29
0:57:33
We're stopping at a ground zero if we can stop here
1193
0:57:34
0:57:36
for the reasons that I've laid out already.
1194
0:57:37
0:57:39
And just to go back one minute
1195
0:57:39
0:57:42
to what Lori was saying earlier, I believe it was Lori,
1196
0:57:42
0:57:44
about Florida having a law.
1197
0:57:44
0:57:48
So the difference, every state,
1198
0:57:48
0:57:49
what Tom was saying is correct.
1199
0:57:49
0:57:50
Every state is different.
1200
0:57:50
0:57:52
You have different state governments
1201
0:57:52
0:57:54
and they're comprised of different people
1202
0:57:54
0:57:56
and parties and whatnot.
1203
0:57:57
0:57:58
So the different states have different rules,
1204
0:57:58
0:58:00
different regulations, different laws.
1205
0:58:00
0:58:05
But if there's, New York does have a quarantine law.
1206
0:58:05
0:58:08
It's section 2120 of the public health law.
1207
0:58:08
0:58:11
So if Florida has one too, I'm not surprised.
1208
0:58:11
0:58:14
New York has one, we've had it for 70 years,
1209
0:58:14
0:58:17
but it has a lot of due process protections
1210
0:58:17
0:58:19
for the citizens built into it.
1211
0:58:19
0:58:24
So you can't, an agency cannot just say on a whim,
1212
0:58:25
0:58:28
oh, there's no health emergency.
1213
0:58:28
0:58:33
I think Mr. Smith, or I think this whole group of people
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0:58:34
0:58:38
who went to this political fundraiser
1215
0:58:38
0:58:40
for the governor's opponent,
1216
0:58:40
0:58:44
I think all those people now have whatever, tuberculosis
1217
0:58:44
0:58:46
or COVID or whatever's on their list.
1218
0:58:49
0:58:51
We need to lock you guys all up.
1219
0:58:51
0:58:54
There's a big difference between that
1220
0:58:54
0:58:58
and going through the law that has passed and on the books
1221
0:58:58
0:59:00
and has protections built into it.
1222
0:59:00
0:59:04
So you have to kind of look on a case by case basis,
1223
0:59:04
0:59:08
you have to look and see what are you challenging
1224
0:59:08
0:59:09
or what are you upset about?
1225
0:59:09
0:59:11
What are you in up and arms about?
1226
0:59:11
0:59:12
Is it legal?
1227
0:59:12
0:59:13
Is it constitutional?
1228
0:59:13
0:59:18
Or is it a complete thrashing of the constitution?
1229
0:59:18
0:59:21
It's very case specific.
1230
0:59:21
0:59:24
It's very case specific as law always is.
1231
0:59:25
0:59:28
Okay, so very good.
1232
0:59:28
0:59:31
Bobby Hoonan, your question has been answered.
1233
0:59:33
0:59:36
Well, to a degree, the basic point that I'm making here
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0:59:36
0:59:39
is that they are changing the laws, we are not.
1235
0:59:40
0:59:43
And we, as a bunch of different organizations
1236
0:59:43
0:59:45
have to converge together
1237
0:59:45
0:59:49
on a set of mutually agreed upon model legislation.
1238
0:59:49
0:59:52
I have started that process already,
1239
0:59:52
0:59:54
MedicalFreedomAct.org.
1240
0:59:54
0:59:57
We're not an organization, we're a movement
1241
0:59:57
0:59:59
and you guys can all adopt it.
1242
0:59:59
1:00:02
Feel free to work with us to get it changed.
1243
1:00:02
1:00:03
But we have to start doing
1244
1:00:03
1:00:07
what the World Economic Forum is doing, regulatory capture.
1245
1:00:07
1:00:12
We have to retake back the laws of our country and our state.
1246
1:00:12
1:00:15
That has to be our ultimate long-term 20-year goal.
1247
1:00:15
1:00:17
There's no other solution.
1248
1:00:18
1:00:19
Excellent, thank you Hoonan.
1249
1:00:19
1:00:24
So put your, that's the website, MedicalFreedomAct.org.
1250
1:00:24
1:00:25
Yes, sir, that's it.
1251
1:00:25
1:00:30
Excellent, everybody please take note, check it out.
1252
1:00:30
1:00:32
And well done on the work that you are doing Hoonan.
1253
1:00:32
1:00:34
Jerry from Ireland, next question
1254
1:00:34
1:00:36
because we've got half an hour left.
1255
1:00:36
1:00:37
We've got a few hands up.
1256
1:00:37
1:00:42
So, and Bobby Hoonan, be quick on the quickfire answers.
1257
1:00:42
1:00:44
I know you can, you're a lawyer
1258
1:00:44
1:00:46
so you can give extensive answers.
1259
1:00:46
1:00:48
So let's do the summary answers.
1260
1:00:48
1:00:50
Otherwise we will be running out of time.
1262
1:00:52
1:00:53
Yet again, I'll introduce myself.
1263
1:00:54
1:00:55
I'm an Irish GP of 40 years
1264
1:00:55
1:00:59
who has struck off the medical register for refusing
1265
1:00:59
1:01:03
to go along with the hoax of COVID-19,
1266
1:01:03
1:01:05
for refusing to get the PCR test done,
1267
1:01:05
1:01:07
for refusing to wear a mask,
1268
1:01:07
1:01:12
for refusing to take part in the social isolation
1269
1:01:12
1:01:17
and refusing to give the messenger RNA assault.
1270
1:01:20
1:01:21
That's who I am.
1271
1:01:21
1:01:26
I would like to thank Bobby, Laurie, Tom and Hernan
1272
1:01:28
1:01:33
for their very positive and heartfelt attack on this hoax
1273
1:01:39
1:01:41
and the fight that they're putting up.
1274
1:01:42
1:01:44
I have said, and I will continue to say,
1275
1:01:44
1:01:49
if you don't, if you're not prepared to go all in
1276
1:01:49
1:01:50
on this game of poker,
1277
1:01:51
1:01:56
you don't understand the gravity of the situation.
1278
1:01:57
1:02:02
This is the greatest crime in not only medical history
1279
1:02:03
1:02:05
but in world history.
1280
1:02:05
1:02:08
And it'll probably have the greatest consequences
1281
1:02:08
1:02:11
with possibly millions and hundreds of millions
1282
1:02:11
1:02:15
of people dead as a direct result of this vaccine.
1283
1:02:15
1:02:16
So as I say, if you don't,
1284
1:02:16
1:02:19
if you're not prepared to be all in,
1285
1:02:19
1:02:22
well, then you don't understand the gravity of it.
1286
1:02:22
1:02:24
And that's up to us, particularly us doctors,
1287
1:02:24
1:02:25
because we're the people.
1288
1:02:25
1:02:27
This is a medical problem.
1289
1:02:27
1:02:31
Us doctors have the responsibility to educate people
1290
1:02:31
1:02:36
and make them understand the gravity of this condition.
1291
1:02:38
1:02:41
What I would say is, talk about all in.
1292
1:02:41
1:02:46
We have to fund those people who are fighting on our side.
1293
1:02:47
1:02:50
Now, unfortunately, when money comes into things
1294
1:02:50
1:02:53
and crowdfunding and GoFundMe
1295
1:02:53
1:02:57
and the sort of green-eyed monster comes up
1296
1:02:57
1:03:00
and the possibility of embezzlement in that,
1297
1:03:00
1:03:03
I made a commitment a couple of weeks ago to Albert
1298
1:03:03
1:03:05
that I intend to keep,
1299
1:03:07
1:03:11
to help finance his research into VAERS.
1300
1:03:11
1:03:15
And my problem is just getting the money
1301
1:03:15
1:03:18
to Albert, which I want to do and I will do.
1302
1:03:20
1:03:23
But overall, as I say, if we're not prepared
1303
1:03:23
1:03:28
to shove our hand across with our full bet,
1304
1:03:31
1:03:34
we need to go all in on this game
1305
1:03:34
1:03:37
because they're all in and we need to be.
1306
1:03:39
1:03:43
Overall, I, you know, I'm not going to be all in
1307
1:03:45
1:03:49
I would like to thank Bobby and those.
1308
1:03:49
1:03:51
And the other point I'd like to make would be,
1309
1:03:51
1:03:55
we need a pool, the amicus briefs
1310
1:03:55
1:03:57
that Bobby was talking about,
1311
1:03:57
1:03:58
she, you know, gave the impression
1312
1:03:58
1:04:01
that she found some of them very helpful.
1313
1:04:01
1:04:02
I think we need a pool.
1314
1:04:02
1:04:06
I am facing the medical council in whenever
1315
1:04:08
1:04:11
there's a concept of justice denied
1316
1:04:11
1:04:14
or justice delayed is justice denied.
1317
1:04:14
1:04:17
I have been temporarily suspended
1318
1:04:17
1:04:22
from the medical register for what, 17 months now.
1319
1:04:22
1:04:24
So that's kind of justice denied.
1320
1:04:25
1:04:27
So I, in effect, have been struck off.
1321
1:04:27
1:04:29
My business is destroyed.
1322
1:04:30
1:04:32
So what I would like to do,
1323
1:04:32
1:04:34
I'd like to be able to get my hands
1324
1:04:34
1:04:38
on those type of amicus briefs and the judgements in that.
1325
1:04:38
1:04:40
Now I know the judge, I've already read the judgment
1326
1:04:40
1:04:42
that Bobby has put up,
1327
1:04:42
1:04:43
but I'd like to be able to get my hands,
1328
1:04:43
1:04:47
I'd like to be able to get my hands on it relatively easily
1329
1:04:47
1:04:51
because I'm an old dinosaur, as far as computers go.
1330
1:04:51
1:04:56
And getting onto a Zoom call is sometimes difficult for me.
1331
1:04:56
1:05:01
Nevermind go searching through the chats and that.
1332
1:05:01
1:05:04
So as I say, I would like to have access to these things
1333
1:05:04
1:05:07
because I'm not legally represented as of yet
1334
1:05:07
1:05:10
in my defense against the medical council.
1335
1:05:10
1:05:13
So thanks folks for all the effort you're putting in.
1336
1:05:14
1:05:15
We need you.
1337
1:05:16
1:05:17
Thank you.
1338
1:05:17
1:05:18
Thank you, Jerry.
1339
1:05:18
1:05:20
And it's in the chat.
1340
1:05:20
1:05:24
We'll make sure that you do get access to those papers.
1341
1:05:24
1:05:25
Well said.
1342
1:05:26
1:05:26
All right.
1343
1:05:26
1:05:28
All right.
1344
1:05:28
1:05:29
Jerry, great work.
1345
1:05:29
1:05:30
Glenn now.
1346
1:05:30
1:05:33
Glenn from the USA, Bobby.
1347
1:05:33
1:05:34
Bobby Anne.
1349
1:05:39
1:05:41
This is a very interesting group.
1350
1:05:41
1:05:44
Joining us Bobby, Lori, Tom and Hernan.
1351
1:05:45
1:05:49
I've been involved in a variety of activities.
1352
1:05:49
1:05:52
I'm the founder and chairman of the Unity Against COVID.
1353
1:05:54
1:05:56
A major element of what I've worked on
1354
1:05:56
1:06:00
is around providing public comment into the FDA process.
1355
1:06:02
1:06:04
I started in October, I repeated it in February
1356
1:06:04
1:06:09
when they attempted the six months to five-year-olds
1357
1:06:09
1:06:13
and repeated again in June when they went ahead
1358
1:06:13
1:06:16
and did it again and passed it with virtually
1359
1:06:16
1:06:21
no positive aspects to any of the randomized control trials.
1360
1:06:23
1:06:27
As part of that effort, we were able to encourage the public
1361
1:06:27
1:06:32
to submit 130,796 comments to the FDA.
1362
1:06:35
1:06:38
Now part of the FDA's process is that they must consider
1363
1:06:39
1:06:42
and make available to the staff
1364
1:06:42
1:06:45
all of the comments that are submitted.
1365
1:06:46
1:06:48
However, the process for making available
1366
1:06:48
1:06:52
is moving something from submitted to posted.
1367
1:06:53
1:06:57
As of the decision date of the FDA,
1368
1:06:57
1:07:00
there were zero posted submissions.
1369
1:07:01
1:07:05
This is a massive coverup of a grand scale.
1370
1:07:05
1:07:08
Not only did they not keep up with the count
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1:07:08
1:07:11
that were there, they intentionally blocked any.
1372
1:07:11
1:07:14
It's zero, there's never been a case of this,
1373
1:07:14
1:07:18
I would guess in any agency on any regulation.
1374
1:07:20
1:07:22
This is just one of many cycles
1375
1:07:22
1:07:24
of what we're seeing is coverup.
1376
1:07:24
1:07:27
That is hundreds to thousands of times worse
1377
1:07:27
1:07:29
than what we saw in Watergate.
1378
1:07:29
1:07:33
And where is our press to help on this?
1379
1:07:33
1:07:33
Nowhere.
1380
1:07:34
1:07:39
So I did join with Leslie Minuchian and Naomi Wolf
1381
1:07:42
1:07:47
as part of the process for suing the Biden administration
1382
1:07:47
1:07:49
and the FDA is you must start with something called
1383
1:07:49
1:07:51
the citizen's petition.
1384
1:07:51
1:07:54
So these elements of coverup that I just described
1385
1:07:54
1:07:58
have been put into that citizen's petition
1386
1:07:58
1:08:00
as well as a number of other entries
1387
1:08:00
1:08:02
that they had already been working on.
1388
1:08:02
1:08:05
So that is an active process.
1389
1:08:06
1:08:08
It's a confusing one in that the federal courts
1390
1:08:08
1:08:10
require you to go through this step
1391
1:08:10
1:08:11
before they actually allow the suit.
1392
1:08:11
1:08:15
But it is in progress and that citizen petition
1393
1:08:15
1:08:17
is available online.
1394
1:08:19
1:08:22
I've also been pursuing some other avenues.
1395
1:08:22
1:08:25
And so some things I wanted to alert you to
1396
1:08:25
1:08:29
that to some extent as a non-lawyer,
1397
1:08:29
1:08:32
I'm a retired engineer.
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1:08:33
1:08:36
I was not aware of and I've actually been quite surprised
1399
1:08:36
1:08:38
how many other people are unaware of.
1400
1:08:39
1:08:43
The first amendment is an extraordinarily powerful
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1:08:43
1:08:45
piece of legislation.
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1:08:47
1:08:50
Many people think it's just the freedom of speech,
1403
1:08:50
1:08:52
but in fact, it's freedom of religion,
1404
1:08:52
1:08:53
it's freedom of speech, it's freedom of press,
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1:08:53
1:08:56
it's freedom to peacefully assemble.
1406
1:08:56
1:09:00
It's only 45 words, it covers all of those things.
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1:09:01
1:09:03
And there's one other element to it.
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1:09:03
1:09:06
And that's the petition clause.
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1:09:07
1:09:11
I'm gonna read you the essence of what you end up with
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1:09:11
1:09:12
when you walk through the first amendment,
1411
1:09:12
1:09:16
just addressing the petition clause, 20 words.
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1:09:17
1:09:22
Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people
1413
1:09:23
1:09:27
to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
1414
1:09:28
1:09:33
Now, first amendment, that means the Supreme Court
1415
1:09:33
1:09:37
will support everything that's in that statement.
1416
1:09:37
1:09:40
One of the things we've heard about is the people
1417
1:09:40
1:09:44
getting targeted for domestic terrorism,
1418
1:09:44
1:09:46
things like people speaking up
1419
1:09:46
1:09:49
at a board of education meeting.
1420
1:09:50
1:09:54
What I'm trying to identify here is if one is careful
1421
1:09:55
1:09:58
and one approaches their grievances
1422
1:09:58
1:10:03
exactly like the petition clause of the first amendment,
1423
1:10:03
1:10:05
you are absolutely protected.
1424
1:10:05
1:10:06
You are protected by the Supreme Court,
1425
1:10:06
1:10:11
you are protected by the constitutional sheriffs,
1426
1:10:11
1:10:14
you should be protected by local law enforcement
1427
1:10:14
1:10:18
as well as every attorney,
1428
1:10:18
1:10:22
every prosecutor in the country.
1429
1:10:22
1:10:24
Now, that doesn't mean you will get that support immediately,
1430
1:10:25
1:10:28
but you should be assured that it will arrive for you
1431
1:10:28
1:10:30
if that were the case.
1432
1:10:30
1:10:34
So keep in mind, it is a petition clause,
1433
1:10:34
1:10:38
it requires that you petition the government
1434
1:10:39
1:10:41
for a redress of grievances.
1435
1:10:41
1:10:43
So you need to state your grievances
1436
1:10:43
1:10:45
and you need to state what you believe
1437
1:10:45
1:10:48
is an appropriate redress to correct it.
1438
1:10:48
1:10:51
If you do that combination of things,
1439
1:10:51
1:10:52
we are the only country in the world
1440
1:10:52
1:10:55
that has that kind of first amendment
1441
1:10:55
1:10:57
and in this particular case,
1442
1:10:57
1:11:01
a direct ability to petition our government for action.
1443
1:11:04
1:11:07
The item of that elk that I'm also working on,
1444
1:11:07
1:11:10
I'm not gonna go into a lot of detail at this point,
1445
1:11:10
1:11:14
but that's around terminating the national emergency.
1446
1:11:14
1:11:17
The original national emergency was put in effect
1447
1:11:17
1:11:22
on March 13th, crazy Friday the 13th of 2020.
1448
1:11:23
1:11:25
It has been renewed each year.
1449
1:11:26
1:11:31
However, there's pending bills in the US Congress
1450
1:11:31
1:11:36
to repeal and to terminate that national emergency.
1451
1:11:38
1:11:41
It's called joint resolutions.
1452
1:11:41
1:11:44
There is a joint resolution that is in the Senate
1453
1:11:44
1:11:46
and has already passed.
1454
1:11:46
1:11:51
It passed by 48 to 47 on March 3rd of 2022.
1455
1:11:52
1:11:53
So the job is half done.
1456
1:11:54
1:11:59
The comparison one for the House of Representatives
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1:11:59
1:12:03
is HJRES, R-E-S dot 46.
1458
1:12:04
1:12:07
And it is pending and we believe
1459
1:12:07
1:12:09
that there should be a concerted effort
1460
1:12:09
1:12:13
to engage our public and to move this forward
1461
1:12:13
1:12:17
to press our congressmen to support that termination
1462
1:12:17
1:12:19
of the national emergency.
1463
1:12:21
1:12:26
So I'm curious to what degree any of the four of you,
1464
1:12:26
1:12:29
Bobby, Laurie, Tom, or Hernan had been thinking
1465
1:12:29
1:12:30
in that terms.
1466
1:12:30
1:12:35
I'm also curious, I've had various people describe to me
1467
1:12:35
1:12:39
some of the powers that the sheriffs can bring to bear.
1468
1:12:39
1:12:42
And if there have been any actions around engaging
1469
1:12:42
1:12:46
the sheriffs as an alternative law enforcement mechanism
1470
1:12:46
1:12:49
that can be engaged by the public
1471
1:12:49
1:12:52
without having to go to court in all of its delays
1472
1:12:52
1:12:54
and all of its extra costs.
1473
1:12:54
1:12:55
Thank you.
1474
1:12:56
1:12:57
Thank you, Glenn.
1475
1:12:57
1:12:59
Bobby, Anne, first, you, what are your thoughts
1476
1:12:59
1:13:02
on Glenn's well-articulated
1477
1:13:02
1:13:05
and well-thought through strategies?
1478
1:13:08
1:13:10
Yeah, so thank you, Glenn.
1479
1:13:10
1:13:15
You know, somebody had put me in touch with Leslie
1480
1:13:16
1:13:17
briefly through email.
1481
1:13:17
1:13:22
We haven't really connected in a detailed manner.
1482
1:13:25
1:13:30
And then also somebody had connected me with Naomi Wolf
1483
1:13:30
1:13:35
also through email, but we have connected either.
1484
1:13:35
1:13:40
But I know that your organization is pretty vast
1485
1:13:42
1:13:47
from what I hear and that you guys are doing great things
1486
1:13:48
1:13:53
with Leslie and Naomi and this new law student stuff.
1487
1:13:53
1:13:54
And then being able to use that,
1488
1:13:54
1:13:58
like I think Naomi Wolf has a forum where she has
1489
1:13:58
1:14:01
an audience and whatnot, it's like interviews and stuff.
1490
1:14:01
1:14:05
I would be happy to go on her show and answer questions
1491
1:14:05
1:14:07
and talk to people about this and help raise awareness
1492
1:14:07
1:14:11
and educate people because this is an information war.
1493
1:14:12
1:14:16
You know, censorship is real.
1494
1:14:16
1:14:18
Censorship is terrible.
1495
1:14:18
1:14:22
Censorship can get us into the mess that we're in
1496
1:14:22
1:14:24
and can prevent us from getting out of the mess
1497
1:14:24
1:14:26
that we're in.
1498
1:14:26
1:14:29
And, you know, my lawsuit is being censored.
1499
1:14:29
1:14:31
The regulation for the whole forced quarantines
1500
1:14:31
1:14:33
is being censored.
1501
1:14:34
1:14:39
You know, anytime I turn to try and say something,
1502
1:14:40
1:14:42
do something to speak out, it's being censored.
1503
1:14:42
1:14:46
So anyone that has outlets, groups, organizations,
1504
1:14:46
1:14:49
or regulation that have a platform,
1505
1:14:49
1:14:51
getting this word out on your platform, like I said,
1506
1:14:51
1:14:53
I'm happy to do an interview or answer questions
1507
1:14:53
1:14:55
or, you know, whatever the case may be,
1508
1:14:57
1:15:01
to effectuate an education about this regulation,
1509
1:15:01
1:15:03
about our lawsuit, about the fact that we want
1510
1:15:03
1:15:05
and about the fact that now, you know,
1511
1:15:05
1:15:07
we have to stave off an appeal.
1512
1:15:07
1:15:08
Stave off an appeal.
1513
1:15:10
1:15:14
And just to go back for a minute to earlier,
1514
1:15:14
1:15:15
what the gentleman earlier was saying,
1515
1:15:15
1:15:19
I think it was Hernan was saying it, you know,
1516
1:15:19
1:15:21
they're changing the laws, they're doing this.
1517
1:15:21
1:15:22
We need to change the laws.
1518
1:15:22
1:15:26
We definitely do need to effectuate change
1519
1:15:26
1:15:27
the way they are.
1520
1:15:27
1:15:29
Lawsuits, I've said this from day one.
1521
1:15:29
1:15:31
You know, I've been speaking out for a couple of years now
1522
1:15:31
1:15:32
about this stuff.
1523
1:15:32
1:15:34
I've said this from day one.
1524
1:15:35
1:15:38
One lawsuit is not going to free a nation
1525
1:15:38
1:15:42
or free a world.
1526
1:15:42
1:15:44
It's gonna help, but there has to be things,
1527
1:15:44
1:15:46
other things that are being done too.
1528
1:15:46
1:15:48
It has to be a multi-pronged approach.
1529
1:15:48
1:15:52
We have to be coming at this problem from different levels
1530
1:15:52
1:15:57
and from different angles in order to be truly successful
1531
1:15:57
1:16:00
and to be successful so that, you know,
1532
1:16:00
1:16:04
we don't lose a lot of time and ground in the process
1533
1:16:04
1:16:05
or in the meanwhile.
1534
1:16:05
1:16:09
So lawsuits definitely are needed, absolutely 100%.
1535
1:16:09
1:16:10
And nobody was taking up this lawsuit.
1536
1:16:10
1:16:12
So I took it up myself.
1537
1:16:12
1:16:15
And to go back to someone's point about, you know,
1538
1:16:15
1:16:17
everybody, you know, lawyers wanna get paid.
1539
1:16:17
1:16:21
I understand, you know, very, very few people
1540
1:16:21
1:16:22
can work for free.
1541
1:16:22
1:16:25
I can't afford to work for free, trust me.
1542
1:16:25
1:16:27
I have a lot of responsibilities,
1543
1:16:27
1:16:30
but it wasn't about working for free versus getting paid.
1544
1:16:30
1:16:35
It was about, there is no way I am going to let this stand
1545
1:16:35
1:16:38
because this is so wrong
1546
1:16:38
1:16:40
from not just a constitutional standpoint,
1547
1:16:40
1:16:44
from a human civil rights standpoint.
1548
1:16:44
1:16:47
And, you know, was I looking to move out of New York?
1549
1:16:47
1:16:50
Was I shopping around for a place in Florida, let's say,
1550
1:16:50
1:16:52
where it's much more free?
1551
1:16:52
1:16:54
Yeah, who wouldn't wanna leave a state
1552
1:16:54
1:16:56
that's trying to do this?
1553
1:16:56
1:16:59
But the reason I didn't leave is because if I leave
1554
1:16:59
1:17:01
and nobody else is standing up to fight this,
1555
1:17:01
1:17:02
who's gonna fight it?
1556
1:17:02
1:17:03
No one's gonna fight it.
1557
1:17:03
1:17:05
And if nobody's gonna fight it, it's gonna stand.
1558
1:17:05
1:17:07
And if it stands, now we're in big trouble
1559
1:17:07
1:17:09
because now it's gonna spread across the country.
1560
1:17:09
1:17:14
So, you know, it's a matter of, you know,
1561
1:17:14
1:17:16
some people say to me, oh, I wanna help, I wanna help.
1562
1:17:16
1:17:17
What can I do?
1563
1:17:17
1:17:18
I'm not a lawyer.
1564
1:17:18
1:17:19
You know, you don't have to be a lawyer.
1565
1:17:19
1:17:20
You don't have to be a paralegal.
1566
1:17:20
1:17:22
You don't have to be a doctor or a scientist.
1567
1:17:22
1:17:23
And you don't have to be on the front lines
1568
1:17:23
1:17:24
because a lot of people say,
1569
1:17:24
1:17:26
I'm afraid of cancel culture.
1570
1:17:26
1:17:27
You're like, I can't afford to lose my job.
1571
1:17:27
1:17:29
You know, I'm the breadwinner in my family.
1572
1:17:29
1:17:30
Trust me, I totally get that.
1573
1:17:30
1:17:33
I 100%, I understand that.
1574
1:17:33
1:17:35
But then stand behind and support somebody
1575
1:17:35
1:17:37
who is willing to be on the front lines.
1576
1:17:37
1:17:39
Somebody who is willing to risk their reputation.
1577
1:17:39
1:17:41
Somebody that is willing to stand up
1578
1:17:41
1:17:44
and lose a lot in the face of doing what's right.
1579
1:17:44
1:17:47
You know, make a donation.
1580
1:17:47
1:17:49
I mean, if nothing else, make a donation.
1581
1:17:49
1:17:52
And no donation is too small because again,
1582
1:17:52
1:17:53
I'm doing this for free.
1583
1:17:53
1:17:57
So, you know, we have a donate button
1584
1:17:57
1:18:01
on unitingnys.com slash lawsuit.
1585
1:18:01
1:18:05
And you know, people can donate or back somebody
1586
1:18:05
1:18:08
who's running for office, who's willing to make a change,
1587
1:18:08
1:18:11
who's willing to stand up for the people,
1588
1:18:11
1:18:14
volunteer on their campaign or help promote them,
1589
1:18:14
1:18:16
go on social media and just promote them.
1590
1:18:16
1:18:17
You know, there are a thousand things
1591
1:18:17
1:18:20
that people can do to help and still stay behind the lines.
1592
1:18:20
1:18:22
You know, still stay behind the scenes
1593
1:18:23
1:18:26
if they are, you know, not excited about
1594
1:18:26
1:18:27
or uncomfortable with being on the front line.
1595
1:18:27
1:18:31
So, you know, I applaud everybody on this call
1596
1:18:31
1:18:34
for standing up and stepping out and speaking up.
1597
1:18:34
1:18:38
And I think if people have connections
1598
1:18:38
1:18:41
that can help me get the word out,
1599
1:18:41
1:18:43
the bigger the platform, the better,
1600
1:18:43
1:18:46
but I am happy to go on smaller platforms too.
1601
1:18:46
1:18:48
It's just the word has to come out.
1602
1:18:48
1:18:51
Bobby Anne, there's a lot of links in the chat
1603
1:18:51
1:18:53
that you will find useful now.
1604
1:18:54
1:18:58
Hernan and Laurie and Tom, by the way,
1605
1:18:58
1:19:01
Tom, your words keep ringing in my ears.
1606
1:19:01
1:19:05
Take on your civic duties, which is what Bobby Anne is saying.
1607
1:19:05
1:19:08
You can take on your civic duties by supporting people.
1608
1:19:08
1:19:10
You don't have to be on the front line.
1609
1:19:10
1:19:13
Take on your civic duties, take on your sovereignty.
1610
1:19:13
1:19:16
So Glenn asked a specific question,
1611
1:19:16
1:19:19
bringing to our attention this first amendment issue.
1612
1:19:19
1:19:22
Hernan or Laurie, do I have anything to say?
1613
1:19:24
1:19:26
Well, we did have Sheriff Mack.
1614
1:19:26
1:19:28
I don't know if you're familiar with him, Glenn,
1615
1:19:28
1:19:33
but Sheriff Mack just had a press conference last week
1616
1:19:33
1:19:34
with sheriffs that he's been working
1617
1:19:34
1:19:36
with constitutional sheriffs
1618
1:19:36
1:19:39
to fight the election integrity issue.
1619
1:19:39
1:19:42
And so we've joined with him to try to fight
1620
1:19:42
1:19:44
this exact issue that Bobby Anne.
1621
1:19:44
1:19:46
So this is just a complete God thing.
1622
1:19:46
1:19:49
And I thank you, Dr. Brinkley
1623
1:19:49
1:19:52
for inviting me to the call and Stephen for welcoming it
1624
1:19:52
1:19:54
to all of the people on our team,
1625
1:19:54
1:19:57
because Nick Catarano, who's on this call,
1626
1:19:57
1:20:01
he is the one who filed the case against Disney.
1627
1:20:01
1:20:03
Okay, I mean, we've got people on here.
1628
1:20:03
1:20:08
He has tremendous media contacts that can help.
1629
1:20:08
1:20:11
And I mean, I'm stunned that I didn't know about this.
1630
1:20:11
1:20:15
I mean, we've been really working to try to,
1631
1:20:15
1:20:17
you know, see what we could do to get the Santas
1632
1:20:17
1:20:19
to repeal the quarantine act.
1633
1:20:19
1:20:21
And here we have Bobby Anne, thank you so much, you know,
1634
1:20:21
1:20:22
for doing what you're doing,
1635
1:20:22
1:20:23
because we're gonna jump on it.
1636
1:20:23
1:20:27
I mean, that's one thing here in Florida, we are workers.
1637
1:20:27
1:20:30
And I mean, I spend more time volunteering than my real job.
1638
1:20:30
1:20:34
I mean, my family, you know, is like you're saying,
1639
1:20:34
1:20:35
you know, we need to make money,
1640
1:20:35
1:20:39
but God is calling us to do this and we are doing it
1641
1:20:39
1:20:42
and we are working and we're just using every contact we can.
1642
1:20:42
1:20:44
I mean, this is God's day, Sunday,
1643
1:20:44
1:20:48
and it's turning out to be like the busiest day
1644
1:20:48
1:20:51
I always work, you know, it's amazing
1645
1:20:51
1:20:53
because he just keeps putting these people together.
1646
1:20:53
1:20:55
So we were brought together for this.
1647
1:20:55
1:20:58
And I know, I mean, Bobby Anne, Ralph Larego
1648
1:20:58
1:21:02
and Beth Peralato are both in New York.
1649
1:21:02
1:21:06
Beth Peralato has her own law form.
1650
1:21:06
1:21:08
She was gonna work with Alliance Defending Freedom.
1651
1:21:08
1:21:11
So we've got to get you connected with them.
1652
1:21:11
1:21:14
And I know Nick, if you wanna jump on Nick real quick
1653
1:21:14
1:21:16
and just tell her what, you know,
1654
1:21:16
1:21:17
how you can get her with the media
1655
1:21:17
1:21:20
because we definitely need to get this out there.
1656
1:21:20
1:21:23
It's like you said, who would not want to know
1657
1:21:23
1:21:26
that they are very close to being locked up?
1658
1:21:26
1:21:28
I mean, we have a FEMA camp, it's in Miami.
1659
1:21:28
1:21:30
It's ready to go, you know?
1660
1:21:30
1:21:32
I mean, people don't even know this.
1661
1:21:32
1:21:33
So go ahead, Nick.
1662
1:21:35
1:21:36
I was gonna say, Bobby Anne,
1663
1:21:36
1:21:37
well, we had a really hard time
1664
1:21:37
1:21:39
when we were bringing a lawsuit against Disney
1665
1:21:39
1:21:41
and we did it twice.
1666
1:21:42
1:21:46
The media here locally covered it very unsubstantially.
1667
1:21:46
1:21:50
You know, they gave us like a five second news clip
1668
1:21:50
1:21:54
or sound bite, but we had Undercover DC.
1669
1:21:54
1:21:55
I have a contact over there.
1670
1:21:55
1:21:57
I think that could pick it up.
1671
1:21:57
1:21:59
I saw there was a Stu Peters video.
1672
1:21:59
1:22:01
She attached one of the videos,
1673
1:22:01
1:22:02
one of the interviews I did,
1674
1:22:02
1:22:05
and it helped get a lot of traction.
1675
1:22:05
1:22:07
And from there, Epic Times is somebody
1676
1:22:07
1:22:08
we work with quite a bit.
1677
1:22:08
1:22:10
And if Epic Times picks it up,
1678
1:22:11
1:22:12
it will spread around the nation.
1679
1:22:12
1:22:14
They really have good coverage.
1680
1:22:14
1:22:16
They have really good readership.
1681
1:22:16
1:22:18
And from there, the AP picked it up.
1682
1:22:18
1:22:22
Once the AP picked it up, everybody came calling.
1683
1:22:22
1:22:26
So I think I would recommend it
1684
1:22:26
1:22:28
and maybe Lori get her contact
1685
1:22:28
1:22:32
and let's put her in touch with our contacts at Epic Times.
1686
1:22:32
1:22:34
And let's see if we can get that story told.
1687
1:22:34
1:22:38
I just sent your information over to somebody I know
1688
1:22:38
1:22:40
that does press, works with Clay Clark,
1689
1:22:40
1:22:43
works with all those people in the background.
1690
1:22:43
1:22:47
So I'll see what she'll have to say when she responds,
1691
1:22:47
1:22:50
but we'll work on helping you get a little bit of traction.
1692
1:22:50
1:22:53
Mel Kay, I don't know if you've talked with Mel Kay.
1693
1:22:53
1:22:55
I could put you in contact with her show.
1694
1:22:55
1:22:59
She definitely has quite an audience that picks up traction.
1695
1:22:59
1:23:01
There's a lot of the smaller stuff,
1696
1:23:01
1:23:02
but I think you've got to grind it out.
1697
1:23:02
1:23:06
And Epic Times is one of those things that crosses
1698
1:23:06
1:23:10
right in between those conservative smaller papers,
1699
1:23:10
1:23:12
but it also crosses into the mainstream
1700
1:23:12
1:23:15
and that will give you a launch pad.
1701
1:23:17
1:23:17
Excellent.
1702
1:23:17
1:23:22
Kudos to Bobby and it's hard these days to get AGs
1703
1:23:22
1:23:24
to engage, but you went the extra steps
1704
1:23:24
1:23:27
and got your legislature to join into your suit.
1705
1:23:27
1:23:30
And I think that probably gave you a lot of clout.
1706
1:23:32
1:23:35
Yeah, Nick, well done on your work.
1707
1:23:35
1:23:38
And Nick, your steps, how you articulated
1708
1:23:38
1:23:41
how it was difficult to get publicity initially,
1709
1:23:41
1:23:42
that's well put.
1710
1:23:42
1:23:45
And Bobby Anne, as Stephen said,
1711
1:23:45
1:23:46
there's a lot of people here who can help you,
1712
1:23:46
1:23:49
who are willing to get the message out.
1713
1:23:49
1:23:52
And you know, Laurie, the fact that I didn't know this case
1714
1:23:52
1:23:53
and Laurie, you didn't know the case.
1715
1:23:53
1:23:55
So this has been fantastic.
1716
1:23:55
1:23:57
Tom, do you want to say anything or her none?
1717
1:23:57
1:23:59
And just everybody grievances,
1718
1:23:59
1:24:02
grievances, petitions for grievances.
1719
1:24:03
1:24:06
Just keep with that in the back of your mind,
1720
1:24:06
1:24:07
because that's the issue that Glenn has raised,
1721
1:24:07
1:24:12
a very interesting one, that if you are entitled
1722
1:24:12
1:24:15
to stand up in public and ask for support
1723
1:24:15
1:24:19
for petition against grievances and what the solution is.
1724
1:24:19
1:24:21
So her none, anybody?
1725
1:24:21
1:24:23
Otherwise we'll go to Anna.
1726
1:24:23
1:24:25
Yeah, I'll make one last plug here.
1727
1:24:25
1:24:28
And if I could then defer to Tom Alterick,
1728
1:24:28
1:24:32
he's more well-spoken and he outranks me anyway.
1729
1:24:33
1:24:37
Our lawyers are our frontline warriors.
1730
1:24:39
1:24:42
However, we need to supply our frontline warriors,
1731
1:24:42
1:24:46
the lawyers, with the proper legal framework
1732
1:24:46
1:24:49
by which they can win these wars.
1733
1:24:49
1:24:51
And like it's already been identified,
1734
1:24:51
1:24:54
the laws in each state are very different.
1735
1:24:54
1:24:57
In Florida, despite having a very good governor,
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1:24:57
1:25:00
unfortunately his staff maybe did not read
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1:25:00
1:25:03
or purposely did not allow him to read
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1:25:03
1:25:06
the complete contents of current legislation.
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1:25:06
1:25:08
So what's happening here is strictly a political battle.
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1:25:08
1:25:09
And that's where I think, again,
1741
1:25:09
1:25:13
we need to focus our efforts on changing all the laws
1742
1:25:13
1:25:15
at the state and federal level,
1743
1:25:15
1:25:17
because our grand objective needs to be
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1:25:17
1:25:20
to constrain government and corporations.
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1:25:21
1:25:23
Again, medicalfreedomact.org,
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1:25:23
1:25:26
it's a concept, not an organization.
1747
1:25:26
1:25:28
I hope that all your organizations
1748
1:25:28
1:25:32
can adopt Medical Freedom Act as a concept
1749
1:25:32
1:25:37
that you can all tactically implement with all your members.
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1:25:37
1:25:38
Tom Alterick.
1751
1:25:38
1:25:39
Thank you.
1752
1:25:39
1:25:40
Thank you, Charles.
1753
1:25:40
1:25:41
I'll make it quick.
1754
1:25:41
1:25:43
I don't mean to take up all the time.
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1:25:44
1:25:46
What's gotten us into this trouble
1756
1:25:46
1:25:48
is that the constituents have forgotten
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1:25:48
1:25:50
about their civic duty.
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1:25:50
1:25:53
Here in this country, our constitution in the US
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1:25:53
1:25:57
was built on self-governance and civic duty.
1760
1:25:58
1:25:59
And I'll be the first to admit,
1761
1:25:59
1:26:02
I should have been doing this activism 15 years ago,
1762
1:26:02
1:26:03
not a year ago.
1763
1:26:05
1:26:10
Lack of constituent engagement in any country,
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1:26:11
1:26:14
lack of involvement with your making your laws
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1:26:14
1:26:16
is what's dug us into this hole.
1766
1:26:18
1:26:21
People like Bobbie Ann can't keep fighting this stuff
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1:26:21
1:26:22
in courts.
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1:26:22
1:26:24
She said it herself.
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1:26:24
1:26:26
The federal government, the state government,
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1:26:26
1:26:28
a lot of times they just print money
1771
1:26:28
1:26:32
and they can litigate you to death.
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1:26:32
1:26:33
They don't have to be right.
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1:26:33
1:26:36
They'll bury you in evidence
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1:26:36
1:26:38
and they can litigate you on and on and on.
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1:26:38
1:26:42
The fact that Bobbie Ann got this done is miraculous,
1776
1:26:42
1:26:45
especially in New York state.
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1:26:45
1:26:47
And so they're gonna come after her.
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1:26:47
1:26:50
So the key here for everybody, I believe,
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1:26:50
1:26:52
don't miss this takeaway.
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1:26:52
1:26:56
Medicalfreedomact.org provides framework,
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1:26:56
1:26:58
but people like Bobbie Ann and the doctors
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1:26:58
1:27:01
who are the two primary counter-attack,
1783
1:27:01
1:27:03
we're counter-attacking legally,
1784
1:27:03
1:27:06
we're counter-attacking medically,
1785
1:27:06
1:27:08
but the constituents have to come up the middle
1786
1:27:08
1:27:11
and the constituents have to be present.
1787
1:27:11
1:27:14
We have to be there talking to our legislators
1788
1:27:14
1:27:16
saying this will not stand.
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1:27:16
1:27:19
It will not go any further.
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1:27:20
1:27:22
So if the constituents in your country
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1:27:22
1:27:25
or your state or your province
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1:27:25
1:27:28
are not willing to involve themselves in some way,
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1:27:28
1:27:31
write the check, make a donation,
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1:27:31
1:27:33
go talk to your legislator, something,
1795
1:27:33
1:27:37
if you're not willing to fulfill your civic duty
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1:27:37
1:27:41
of where you live, then you are a waste of oxygen
1797
1:27:41
1:27:44
because the World Health Organization,
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1:27:44
1:27:49
Klaus Schwab, George Soros, Bill Gates,
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1:27:49
1:27:54
they're coming after us and they're just getting started.
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1:27:54
1:27:55
That's all I'll say.
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1:27:55
1:27:57
I would love to hear from Tom Bogart.
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1:27:58
1:28:02
Thank you, thank you, Tom.
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1:28:02
1:28:03
Okay, Anna, next.
1804
1:28:03
1:28:06
Oh, so there's another Tom on the call, Tom Bogart.
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1:28:06
1:28:07
Yeah, so I got that.
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1:28:07
1:28:09
Anna's had her hand up and then we'll go to Tom Bogart.
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1:28:14
1:28:17
First of all, Bobby, and thank you so much.
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1:28:17
1:28:20
I really, really appreciate the work you're doing.
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1:28:21
1:28:23
Is that okay?
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1:28:24
1:28:26
I think it could.
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1:28:26
1:28:27
Take your video off for the moment.
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1:28:27
1:28:29
Yeah, it might be.
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1:28:29
1:28:31
I might have to turn off my video.
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1:28:31
1:28:32
I'll turn off my video.
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1:28:33
1:28:34
Hi, Bobby.
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1:28:34
1:28:37
Yeah, so first of all, I'm a senior UK citizen
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1:28:37
1:28:41
So first of all, I'm a senior UK solicitor.
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1:28:41
1:28:44
I'm also a retired army officer.
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1:28:44
1:28:46
So first of all, I wanted to say,
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1:28:46
1:28:50
I totally think Tom is saying, Tom Alterick, right?
1823
1:28:50
1:28:53
But in the UK, and I'm assuming it's the same in America,
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1:28:53
1:28:58
it's higher than a civic duty because if you omit to act,
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1:28:59
1:29:00
then you are on the face of it,
1826
1:29:00
1:29:03
aiding and abetting complicit in the crimes
1827
1:29:03
1:29:05
that are happening.
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1:29:05
1:29:06
So it's not simply a duty.
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1:29:06
1:29:09
You are literally exposing yourself
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1:29:12
to personal criminal civil liability
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1:29:12
1:29:14
by failing to take any action.
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1:29:14
1:29:16
And it's a point I make to people
1833
1:29:16
1:29:18
and they're astonished by that.
1834
1:29:18
1:29:20
So I'd like to make that for everyone here.
1835
1:29:20
1:29:23
But the question I have for you, Bobby Anne,
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1:29:23
1:29:25
is are you a military person?
1837
1:29:25
1:29:27
Do you have a military background?
1838
1:29:31
1:29:32
No, I do not.
1841
1:29:34
1:29:35
Me, I don't know.
1842
1:29:35
1:29:40
No, okay, because have you yourself read
1843
1:29:41
1:29:43
the Geneva Conventions or the Neuremberg?
1844
1:29:46
1:29:47
You're breaking up a bit there.
1845
1:29:47
1:29:49
You asked if I've read.
1846
1:29:49
1:29:51
So what she said, Bobby Anne, she said,
1847
1:29:51
1:29:56
have you read the Neuremberg conventions and,
1848
1:29:56
1:29:59
sorry, the Neuremberg Code and the Geneva Conventions?
1849
1:29:59
1:30:00
That was the question.
1851
1:30:02
1:30:05
No, the Neuremberg Conventions.
1852
1:30:06
1:30:07
The Neuremberg Judgment.
1853
1:30:07
1:30:10
Sorry, Neuremberg Judgment, sorry.
1854
1:30:10
1:30:13
But no, I'm not familiar with the documents
1855
1:30:13
1:30:14
that you're referring to,
1856
1:30:14
1:30:17
although I am familiar with the Neuremberg Code.
1858
1:30:22
1:30:24
Okay, the reason I are not, yeah, yeah.
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1:30:24
1:30:28
The reason I ask is this.
1860
1:30:28
1:30:32
I have not met a single lawyer or spoken to a single lawyer
1861
1:30:32
1:30:36
who has actually read the Geneva Conventions,
1862
1:30:36
1:30:40
nor have I met one who's read the Neuremberg Judgments.
1863
1:30:40
1:30:45
Now, that legal framework is precisely what is occurring
1864
1:30:46
1:30:49
what needs to be applied in this situation
1865
1:30:49
1:30:52
if we are all agreed that we are indeed at war,
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1:30:52
1:30:56
which we are, and that this is bio warfare
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1:30:56
1:30:59
and other means and methods of warfare
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1:30:59
1:31:01
that are being deployed upon them.
1869
1:31:01
1:31:04
Now, the analysis from experts around the world
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1:31:04
1:31:06
is that we are indeed at war
1871
1:31:06
1:31:08
and that there are various means and methods
1872
1:31:08
1:31:10
and weapons being deployed against.
1873
1:31:10
1:31:14
And therefore, everybody needs to be reading
1874
1:31:14
1:31:17
the Geneva Conventions and reading the judgments
1875
1:31:17
1:31:20
because they all make it abundantly clear
1876
1:31:20
1:31:25
that any kind of men, any kind of isolating people,
1877
1:31:25
1:31:27
quarantine, et cetera, is a prohibited act
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1:31:27
1:31:30
of unlawful warfare.
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1:31:30
1:31:34
And it amounts to a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions.
1880
1:31:34
1:31:38
And that invokes the right to self-defense,
1881
1:31:38
1:31:41
which poses a breach of the peace
1882
1:31:41
1:31:45
and a national security threat, right?
1883
1:31:45
1:31:49
So when Tom says that we've got the legal profession
1884
1:31:49
1:31:51
and the medical profession and the citizens,
1885
1:31:51
1:31:53
we've also got the military
1886
1:31:53
1:31:57
because the UK Ministry of Defense manual
1887
1:31:57
1:31:59
on the law of armed conflict specifically says
1888
1:31:59
1:32:02
that's the UK's understanding and interpretation
1889
1:32:02
1:32:04
of the law of armed conflict.
1890
1:32:04
1:32:09
Specifically states in chapter seven, paragraph seven five,
1891
1:32:09
1:32:11
that medical interventions and treatments
1892
1:32:11
1:32:15
must be given with informed consent freely given.
1893
1:32:15
1:32:16
And if you fail to do that,
1894
1:32:16
1:32:20
you've committed a prohibited act of unlawful warfare.
1895
1:32:20
1:32:22
Now, what I despair about
1896
1:32:22
1:32:25
is that there are all these lawyers around the world
1897
1:32:26
1:32:29
and yet they're applying a legal framework
1898
1:32:29
1:32:32
within the law of armed conflict
1899
1:32:32
1:32:35
when we're all saying we're at war.
1900
1:32:35
1:32:37
So first of all, I'm astounded,
1901
1:32:37
1:32:40
but secondly, I'm appealing to everyone.
1902
1:32:40
1:32:43
Please read those material.
1903
1:32:43
1:32:47
You cannot understand what's going on.
1904
1:32:47
1:32:50
Also, Anna, I think you would agree with me
1905
1:32:50
1:32:55
that the Nuremberg judgment
1906
1:32:55
1:32:59
is about events which took place in the second world war.
1907
1:32:59
1:33:01
And at the time,
1908
1:33:01
1:33:05
human medical experimentation was taking place.
1909
1:33:05
1:33:07
And that's exactly what's taking place now.
1910
1:33:07
1:33:11
So the whole, all the masks, the-
1911
1:33:11
1:33:11
Exactly that's-
1912
1:33:13
1:33:16
Yes, all the measures in inverted commas,
1913
1:33:16
1:33:18
that's human medical experimentation.
1914
1:33:18
1:33:21
If you don't read the Nuremberg judgments,
1915
1:33:21
1:33:23
then you do not understand the nature
1916
1:33:23
1:33:27
of human medical experimentation
1917
1:33:27
1:33:29
in times of a medico-political alliance.
1918
1:33:29
1:33:31
And that's what we've got now.
1919
1:33:32
1:33:35
So I cannot, I agree with you, Anna,
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1:33:35
1:33:38
it's very important because you've jogged me to realize,
1921
1:33:38
1:33:40
again, I used to say this about three months ago
1922
1:33:40
1:33:42
and I've forgotten,
1923
1:33:42
1:33:44
but this is really important to understand.
1924
1:33:44
1:33:45
If you don't understand
1925
1:33:45
1:33:49
that this is human medical experimentation,
1926
1:33:49
1:33:53
which is expressly forbidden by the Nuremberg code,
1927
1:33:53
1:33:55
is not just informed consent,
1928
1:33:55
1:33:58
it's all the rest, animal trials, there are 10 points there.
1929
1:33:59
1:34:02
And all the lawyers should know about the Nuremberg code,
1930
1:34:02
1:34:04
but they should also read the judgment,
1931
1:34:04
1:34:06
the Nuremberg judgment and the Geneva conventions.
1932
1:34:06
1:34:07
I agree with you, Anna.
1933
1:34:08
1:34:09
Anna, okay.
1934
1:34:09
1:34:10
So if I could just-
1935
1:34:10
1:34:11
I'll be in.
1936
1:34:11
1:34:14
Yeah, so I'll just say real quick that
1937
1:34:16
1:34:21
that is not applicable to my lawsuit.
1938
1:34:21
1:34:24
So the reason I won my lawsuit, I'm pretty sure,
1939
1:34:24
1:34:28
is because I did not bring science into it.
1940
1:34:28
1:34:30
And so attorneys have to have,
1941
1:34:32
1:34:34
you have to have a strategy with your lawsuit
1942
1:34:34
1:34:36
and you can't just throw everything in,
1943
1:34:36
1:34:37
plus the kitchen sink,
1944
1:34:37
1:34:41
because it's just not the way to succeed.
1945
1:34:41
1:34:46
So my strategy was I'm going to sue over
1946
1:34:49
1:34:50
the legal issues.
1947
1:34:51
1:34:54
And in my papers, I specifically say
1948
1:34:54
1:34:58
this lawsuit is not about the science.
1949
1:34:58
1:35:00
It is not about the effectiveness
1950
1:35:00
1:35:02
of quarantining individuals
1951
1:35:02
1:35:05
in order to stop the spread of a disease.
1952
1:35:05
1:35:07
That is not what I'm asking the court to rule on.
1953
1:35:07
1:35:10
That is not any part of this lawsuit.
1954
1:35:10
1:35:13
I want the court to rule on whether or not
1955
1:35:13
1:35:15
the governor and her department of health
1956
1:35:15
1:35:19
have the power to issue this regulation,
1957
1:35:19
1:35:21
yes or no, black and white, that's it.
1958
1:35:21
1:35:23
Do they have the power or don't they?
1959
1:35:23
1:35:24
And that's why I won.
1960
1:35:24
1:35:26
Because when you start to bring in
1961
1:35:26
1:35:28
all of these other things
1962
1:35:28
1:35:32
and you want to have 5,000 expert witnesses about science,
1963
1:35:32
1:35:35
judges, at least not in New York state
1964
1:35:37
1:35:39
and probably not in this country,
1965
1:35:39
1:35:43
judges do not want to rule on science
1966
1:35:43
1:35:45
because they're not scientists, they're not doctors,
1967
1:35:45
1:35:46
they're not trained for that.
1968
1:35:46
1:35:49
So they want to rule on law
1969
1:35:49
1:35:52
and they're going to rule on law most easily
1970
1:35:52
1:35:53
and most comfortably.
1971
1:35:53
1:35:56
So it goes back to what I was saying before,
1972
1:35:56
1:36:00
you have to know what you're dealing with
1973
1:36:00
1:36:01
and who your audience is.
1974
1:36:01
1:36:02
So you have to know what the regulation
1975
1:36:02
1:36:04
or the law is that you're challenging
1976
1:36:04
1:36:06
and you have to know who your audience is,
1977
1:36:06
1:36:07
meaning what court are you in,
1978
1:36:07
1:36:10
so that you can come up with a strategy
1979
1:36:10
1:36:11
that's going to be a winning strategy.
1980
1:36:13
1:36:15
So that's one thing I wanted to point out.
1981
1:36:15
1:36:17
And the other thing I wanted to point out is that
1982
1:36:19
1:36:23
it's very easy to get lost.
1983
1:36:23
1:36:25
The attorney general in this case
1984
1:36:25
1:36:27
was trying to bring the science into it.
1985
1:36:27
1:36:30
They were trying so badly to bring the science into it.
1986
1:36:30
1:36:31
They wanted to muddy the waters,
1987
1:36:31
1:36:33
they wanted to confuse the judge,
1988
1:36:33
1:36:34
they wanted to bring in things
1989
1:36:34
1:36:37
and say I was arguing things that I wasn't arguing
1990
1:36:37
1:36:39
and I had to keep pulling it back on track.
1991
1:36:39
1:36:40
That's not what I'm talking about.
1992
1:36:40
1:36:41
That's not what I'm talking about.
1993
1:36:41
1:36:42
This is what I'm talking about.
1994
1:36:42
1:36:43
That's not what I'm talking about.
1995
1:36:43
1:36:45
This is what I'm talking about.
1996
1:36:45
1:36:47
So you have to,
1997
1:36:48
1:36:50
I know you're not a group of attorneys.
1998
1:36:50
1:36:51
I know we have a few attorneys on here,
1999
1:36:51
1:36:56
but it's a little bit more complex than just saying
2000
1:36:56
1:36:59
you need to read a certain document
2001
1:36:59
1:37:03
or a certain set of rules on an international level
2002
1:37:03
1:37:04
and then go and sue on it
2003
1:37:04
1:37:06
and think that you're going to win.
2004
1:37:06
1:37:08
You really have to break it down.
2005
1:37:08
1:37:10
That's why lawsuits are so time consuming
2006
1:37:10
1:37:11
and cost so much money
2007
1:37:11
1:37:14
is because the time it takes to do the research,
2008
1:37:14
1:37:18
to draft everything and to have a winning case,
2009
1:37:18
1:37:20
it's an exorbitant amount of time.
2010
1:37:20
1:37:21
It really is.
2012
1:37:22
1:37:23
Okay, sorry.
2013
1:37:24
1:37:26
Sorry, can I just come back on that
2014
1:37:26
1:37:29
because presenting science to the court,
2015
1:37:29
1:37:31
I'm talking about grave breaches
2016
1:37:31
1:37:32
of the law of armed conflict.
2017
1:37:32
1:37:35
I'm talking about the prohibited acts
2018
1:37:35
1:37:38
of unlawful warfare are being committed.
2019
1:37:38
1:37:40
Nothing to do with science
2020
1:37:40
1:37:45
and everything to do with the law of armed conflict,
2021
1:37:45
1:37:47
which must be upheld.
2022
1:37:47
1:37:51
And from where we're sitting in the US
2023
1:37:51
1:37:53
is to have declared war on us
2024
1:37:53
1:37:55
because they're committing prohibited acts
2025
1:37:55
1:37:58
of unlawful warfare, not only on each other,
2026
1:37:58
1:38:02
but through their products on us here in the UK.
2028
1:38:03
1:38:05
So as I'm speaking, my heart's racing
2029
1:38:05
1:38:07
because I'm very frustrated.
2030
1:38:07
1:38:09
None of the lawyers seem to recognize
2031
1:38:09
1:38:12
that these are prohibited acts of unlawful warfare.
2032
1:38:12
1:38:14
I'm not talking about the science.
2033
1:38:14
1:38:17
But you are talking about the science
2034
1:38:17
1:38:19
because as soon as you say that it's unfair
2035
1:38:19
1:38:21
and it's, wait a minute,
2036
1:38:21
1:38:23
as soon as you say it is unauthorized acts
2037
1:38:23
1:38:25
of doing experiments on people,
2038
1:38:25
1:38:27
this doesn't work, this kills people, this and that,
2039
1:38:27
1:38:29
you're talking about science
2040
1:38:29
1:38:32
because now the question has to become a question of fact.
2041
1:38:32
1:38:34
Does this vaccine work?
2042
1:38:34
1:38:35
Does this do it?
2043
1:38:35
1:38:35
No, I'm not.
2044
1:38:35
1:38:37
Does the vaccine work?
2045
1:38:37
1:38:41
It would come into the lawsuit in a scientific manner.
2046
1:38:42
1:38:43
I'm not.
2047
1:38:47
1:38:49
You're breaking that balance.
2048
1:38:49
1:38:50
I'm not, I'm not.
2049
1:38:50
1:38:52
It's a much simpler point.
2050
1:38:52
1:38:55
You cannot give medical treatment without consent.
2051
1:38:55
1:38:56
Okay, it's a more simple point.
2052
1:38:56
1:38:58
It's nothing to do with,
2053
1:38:58
1:39:01
it's you cannot give medical treatment or intervention.
2054
1:39:01
1:39:03
That is the real act of war.
2055
1:39:03
1:39:04
There's no debate about it.
2056
1:39:04
1:39:08
It's whether or not you've given a medical treatment or not.
2058
1:39:10
1:39:12
Anna, Anna, Anna, Anna, everybody.
2059
1:39:12
1:39:15
And you make the point beautifully.
2060
1:39:15
1:39:17
We're dealing with Bobby Anne's excellent case.
2061
1:39:17
1:39:19
What you're raising is another case
2062
1:39:19
1:39:21
and you're raising it to the attention of the people here
2063
1:39:21
1:39:26
very effectively and we're going fast past time.
2064
1:39:26
1:39:28
And so it's not that people are ignoring you Anna,
2065
1:39:28
1:39:32
it's people have taken notes and you've raised it
2066
1:39:32
1:39:33
and the reminder,
2067
1:39:33
1:39:35
the Geneva Convention is relevant.
2068
1:39:35
1:39:37
Those are, there are other situations,
2069
1:39:37
1:39:39
not Bobby Anne's situation,
2070
1:39:39
1:39:44
where raising a case before the courts is entirely relevant.
2071
1:39:44
1:39:45
So you are not being ignored.
2072
1:39:45
1:39:48
And we've got to get to Tom Bogart
2073
1:39:48
1:39:51
and Jim and Avery and we've got to finish this call.
2074
1:39:51
1:39:53
And by the way, after this meeting,
2075
1:39:53
1:39:57
there was another telegram video chat that happens.
2076
1:39:57
1:40:01
Tom Rodman has put that link for those who can,
2077
1:40:01
1:40:04
who wish to continue the conversation.
2078
1:40:04
1:40:07
So, and I've taken a note of that
2079
1:40:07
1:40:08
because I think prohibited,
2080
1:40:08
1:40:11
the words are prohibited acts of unlawful warfare.
2081
1:40:11
1:40:12
And as I said, Tom Alterick before,
2082
1:40:12
1:40:14
take on your civic duties,
2083
1:40:14
1:40:17
support people like Anna in those cases.
2084
1:40:17
1:40:18
Tom Bogart.
2085
1:40:19
1:40:20
Hello, Charles.
2086
1:40:20
1:40:22
And thank you for having me on the call today.
2087
1:40:22
1:40:23
Sorry for spamming the chat earlier.
2088
1:40:23
1:40:26
Anybody interested in understanding what's going on
2089
1:40:26
1:40:30
with the US hospital system and COVID and money
2090
1:40:30
1:40:33
and all that document is posted in the chat
2091
1:40:33
1:40:37
a handful of times, very important information,
2092
1:40:37
1:40:41
highly detailed, no fluff, no slant, all factual data
2093
1:40:41
1:40:44
done by a research team of 30 in Tennessee.
2094
1:40:45
1:40:46
I highly recommend everybody read it.
2095
1:40:46
1:40:48
You can get ahold of the people
2096
1:40:48
1:40:51
who wrote it for the 40 page version,
2097
1:40:51
1:40:54
much more detailed than one I posted as a 15 page.
2098
1:40:56
1:40:58
Bobby Anne, what you're doing is awesome.
2099
1:40:58
1:41:01
And I swear if you went and read my mission statement,
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1:41:01
1:41:03
on movefreelyamerica.org right now,
2101
1:41:03
1:41:05
it might as well be exactly what you're saying.
2102
1:41:05
1:41:08
So I applaud you for everything you've done.
2103
1:41:08
1:41:10
The work you're doing is fantastic.
2104
1:41:10
1:41:15
And I work hand in hand with Tom Alterick and Hernan
2105
1:41:15
1:41:18
at Move Freely and we're affecting change
2106
1:41:18
1:41:21
on a legislative level here in the US.
2107
1:41:21
1:41:24
And so I see it in three points and I'll just be brief
2108
1:41:24
1:41:27
because everything's already been said in my opinion.
2109
1:41:28
1:41:30
The litigation and legislation.
2110
1:41:30
1:41:32
And if we lose on both those fronts,
2111
1:41:32
1:41:34
it's not gonna be good for anyone.
2112
1:41:34
1:41:37
Cause if America falls, I think the world's gonna fall
2113
1:41:37
1:41:38
in a thousand years of dark times
2114
1:41:38
1:41:40
cause there's nowhere else to go.
2115
1:41:42
1:41:45
I think everybody should get a copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War.
2116
1:41:45
1:41:47
And I think that's exactly what Bobby's doing
2117
1:41:47
1:41:52
in her strategy is the enemy is dragging us
2118
1:41:52
1:41:55
onto their battlefield by having us down here
2119
1:41:55
1:41:57
in the trenches arguing about the science, the science.
2120
1:41:57
1:41:59
You're not gonna win that information warfare
2121
1:41:59
1:42:03
because the US media and the global media on hand
2122
1:42:03
1:42:07
is bought and paid for, all propagandists in my opinion.
2123
1:42:07
1:42:11
So we have to figure out, we have to strategize better ways
2124
1:42:11
1:42:16
to circumvent them and not allow them to bring us
2125
1:42:16
1:42:17
onto their battlefield.
2126
1:42:17
1:42:19
So what we're doing and just like Tom said,
2127
1:42:19
1:42:21
and I couldn't say any better myself,
2128
1:42:21
1:42:24
you got legislative, you got litigation
2129
1:42:24
1:42:27
and we need to get people off their asses
2130
1:42:27
1:42:30
and get them to work in the United States
2131
1:42:30
1:42:32
to be involved in their civic duty.
2132
1:42:32
1:42:34
And we push that it's intermission statements
2133
1:42:34
1:42:36
in the words on our website.
2134
1:42:36
1:42:39
We provide a constitutional foundations course
2135
1:42:39
1:42:43
to remind adults of what their civic duty is.
2136
1:42:43
1:42:45
And we need to hammer that home.
2137
1:42:45
1:42:46
And the one last point I'll make
2138
1:42:46
1:42:50
and spread this among your families, freedom is not free.
2139
1:42:51
1:42:53
I'm a single father of three,
2140
1:42:53
1:42:56
an airline pilot for a major airline in the United States.
2141
1:42:56
1:42:59
I am willing to lose my life.
2142
1:42:59
1:43:02
And I do not say that lightly because I have kids.
2143
1:43:02
1:43:04
I'm willing to lose my career.
2144
1:43:04
1:43:07
I'm willing to lose my life to protect the freedoms
2145
1:43:07
1:43:10
that we have as Americans and therefore the world
2146
1:43:10
1:43:12
because this is it.
2147
1:43:12
1:43:15
If America falls, the whole world goes under.
2148
1:43:15
1:43:19
And I don't say that in America grandiose kind of way.
2149
1:43:19
1:43:20
That's just a long and short of it.
2150
1:43:20
1:43:22
America isn't free.
2151
1:43:22
1:43:25
Internalize what you are willing to sacrifice
2152
1:43:25
1:43:27
and make that right in your heads
2153
1:43:27
1:43:29
because it's not gonna get any easier.
2154
1:43:29
1:43:31
And Tom and Bobby and Hernan said everything else
2155
1:43:31
1:43:33
I could have said, thank you for your time.
2156
1:43:34
1:43:36
Beautifully, beautifully said.
2157
1:43:36
1:43:37
Thank you, Tom.
2158
1:43:37
1:43:40
And Bobby Kennedy, Tom, I said in December, everybody,
2159
1:43:40
1:43:42
for those of you who are on the call,
2160
1:43:42
1:43:44
on what hill are you willing to die?
2161
1:43:46
1:43:48
So Tom beautifully said,
2162
1:43:48
1:43:52
so is your group, what was it called?
2163
1:43:52
1:43:54
Freely, have you put that link?
2164
1:43:54
1:43:56
You put the link in the chat, haven't you?
2165
1:43:56
1:44:00
Sure, I'll put in there again, movefreelyamerica.org.
2166
1:44:00
1:44:01
Beautiful, thank you.
2167
1:44:01
1:44:05
Movefreelyamerica.org, everybody.
2168
1:44:05
1:44:05
And it's wonderful.
2169
1:44:05
1:44:07
There are so many organizations
2170
1:44:07
1:44:11
and I think it's important to understand to not despair.
2171
1:44:11
1:44:12
We've talked about this previously
2172
1:44:12
1:44:15
that I haven't heard of movefreelyamerica.org.
2173
1:44:15
1:44:18
I know many of many organizations,
2174
1:44:18
1:44:20
that's the value of this conversation.
2175
1:44:20
1:44:22
And then suddenly Bobby, and you get exposed
2176
1:44:22
1:44:24
to a whole bunch of other groups
2177
1:44:24
1:44:25
that have amazing connections.
2178
1:44:27
1:44:29
And we are marshaling our resources
2179
1:44:29
1:44:33
against a plan that's been going for decades
2180
1:44:33
1:44:34
and we're pushing back.
2181
1:44:34
1:44:37
And there's no doubt, there's no doubt
2182
1:44:37
1:44:39
that it's only the people that will win this fight,
2183
1:44:39
1:44:42
not replacing politicians with politicians.
2184
1:44:42
1:44:44
All right, we're getting tight for time.
2185
1:44:44
1:44:46
We'll go to Jim and Avery, thank you, Tom.
2186
1:44:51
1:44:52
Thank you.
2187
1:44:53
1:44:54
Can you hear me here?
2188
1:44:54
1:44:55
Yes, thanks very much.
2189
1:44:55
1:44:57
We really appreciate your input.
2190
1:44:57
1:44:59
Bobby, what a great job you've done.
2191
1:45:01
1:45:05
Attorneys sharing resources, this is very important.
2192
1:45:05
1:45:08
What is your methodology of sharing your discovery
2193
1:45:08
1:45:09
that you've got?
2194
1:45:09
1:45:14
Sharing your, sharing what you've learned
2195
1:45:14
1:45:16
with the other attorneys and with the physicians
2196
1:45:16
1:45:20
and with the people who can use your documents.
2197
1:45:22
1:45:27
We understand that this is an intelligence controlled media
2198
1:45:29
1:45:32
hospitals, Department of Defense.
2199
1:45:32
1:45:34
We know that this is a big war.
2200
1:45:34
1:45:36
Where do we, how do we share the documents?
2201
1:45:36
1:45:38
And then the next question is,
2202
1:45:38
1:45:41
how do we focus on discovery?
2203
1:45:41
1:45:44
Each one, there are many lawyers like you, Tom Renz,
2204
1:45:44
1:45:47
that are running various lawsuits.
2205
1:45:47
1:45:48
How do you focus discover?
2206
1:45:49
1:45:50
Okay, so.
2207
1:45:51
1:45:53
Sorry about that.
2208
1:45:53
1:45:56
How do you focus your, or how do you share discovery
2209
1:45:56
1:45:58
and how do you get the right questions to ask,
2210
1:45:58
1:46:00
especially of the Intelligence Community,
2211
1:46:00
1:46:02
Department of Defense and the lawyers
2212
1:46:02
1:46:04
who seem to be colluding and the hospitals?
2213
1:46:04
1:46:05
Thank you.
2214
1:46:06
1:46:10
Yeah, so those are great questions, Jim.
2215
1:46:10
1:46:15
So it is, it would be fantastic to have attorneys
2216
1:46:16
1:46:20
in different lawsuits and in different states
2217
1:46:20
1:46:23
or even in the same state to share information
2218
1:46:23
1:46:26
and work together in that manner.
2219
1:46:26
1:46:30
It is extremely difficult as Mary Holland
2220
1:46:30
1:46:32
from Children's Health Defense says,
2221
1:46:32
1:46:33
she's the president there.
2222
1:46:33
1:46:36
She's also an attorney, trying to get attorneys
2223
1:46:36
1:46:39
to work together and get something done
2224
1:46:39
1:46:43
unless they're in the same law firm, it's like herding cats.
2225
1:46:43
1:46:46
So it is, it's very difficult.
2226
1:46:46
1:46:48
I have reached out to other attorneys
2227
1:46:49
1:46:54
in the, I call it constitutional freedom movement.
2228
1:46:54
1:46:59
And nobody was interested in going on this case with me.
2229
1:47:00
1:47:05
Again, some didn't wanna work for free.
2230
1:47:05
1:47:09
Some did not see my vision of a pathway to success.
2231
1:47:10
1:47:14
Some thought you had to wait until New Yorkers
2232
1:47:14
1:47:19
were being thrown into quarantine camps against their will
2233
1:47:20
1:47:23
before they thought you could have a cause of action
2234
1:47:23
1:47:25
and have standing to bring the lawsuit.
2235
1:47:25
1:47:28
But I took a very unique approach
2236
1:47:28
1:47:30
and I argued separation of powers,
2237
1:47:30
1:47:33
which is very unique and different
2238
1:47:33
1:47:37
in that I had actual New York state legislators,
2239
1:47:37
1:47:40
the lawmakers themselves on my lawsuit as petitioners.
2240
1:47:41
1:47:45
And so it was a very unique approach and it worked
2241
1:47:45
1:47:47
and we won in New York state, right?
2242
1:47:47
1:47:52
So I am happy to corroborate with other attorneys,
2243
1:47:52
1:47:57
but I have tried and it has not been successful.
2244
1:47:58
1:48:01
Hence my taking this case on by myself
2245
1:48:02
1:48:07
and attorney Tom Marcel who did come on
2246
1:48:07
1:48:09
and help me pro bono also,
2247
1:48:09
1:48:12
donated all his time and resources to help me go
2248
1:48:12
1:48:14
from federal court back to state court.
2249
1:48:16
1:48:20
It was really just, he's a terrific attorney.
2250
1:48:20
1:48:23
He's also a terrific person that he would donate his time.
2251
1:48:23
1:48:24
I mean, for a solid week,
2252
1:48:24
1:48:26
that's all he and I worked on together
2253
1:48:26
1:48:31
was that one target goal and we were ultimately successful.
2254
1:48:31
1:48:32
But yeah, I mean, this lawsuit,
2255
1:48:32
1:48:34
especially because I'm doing it by myself
2256
1:48:34
1:48:36
has taken up all my time.
2257
1:48:36
1:48:41
I just, I don't have time to tend to other paying clients
2258
1:48:41
1:48:43
or other matters.
2259
1:48:43
1:48:46
So it is a tremendous undertaking
2260
1:48:46
1:48:49
and I think just other attorneys were not interested
2261
1:48:49
1:48:51
in putting in that much time and effort and energy
2262
1:48:51
1:48:52
and not getting paid for it.
2263
1:48:52
1:48:54
So that's all I can think of.
2264
1:48:54
1:48:58
But like I said, I'm happy if there's a group
2265
1:48:58
1:49:03
that wants to get, form a gelling of attorneys,
2266
1:49:03
1:49:06
I am happy to be one of those attorneys
2267
1:49:06
1:49:07
that shares information,
2268
1:49:07
1:49:09
but so far my efforts to do such a thing
2269
1:49:09
1:49:11
have not come to fruition.
2270
1:49:11
1:49:12
Well, more than that are different.
2271
1:49:12
1:49:13
Go beyond Nate.
2272
1:49:13
1:49:14
I'm sorry.
2273
1:49:14
1:49:16
More than that are different than that
2274
1:49:16
1:49:21
is a group that may be willing to provide expert help
2275
1:49:21
1:49:24
on getting withheld information
2276
1:49:24
1:49:27
because when you get withheld information
2277
1:49:27
1:49:30
that's withheld from the other parties and not turned over,
2278
1:49:30
1:49:32
if you can get that,
2279
1:49:32
1:49:34
then you also get your attorney's fees
2280
1:49:34
1:49:36
for getting those withheld documents.
2281
1:49:36
1:49:40
It's the Goodyear versus Hagar case, I believe it is.
2282
1:49:40
1:49:45
Anyway, when you catch the other person in fraud,
2283
1:49:45
1:49:46
when you catch the other person
2284
1:49:46
1:49:48
with lacking candor to the court,
2285
1:49:48
1:49:50
that's when you get your attorney's fees.
2286
1:49:50
1:49:52
And we may be able to have experts,
2287
1:49:52
1:49:55
including physicians and other people
2288
1:49:55
1:49:59
that can build their time to stop these people
2289
1:49:59
1:50:02
from lying and presenting fraud in the courts.
2290
1:50:02
1:50:03
And we may be able to help you with that.
2291
1:50:03
1:50:04
Thank you.
2292
1:50:04
1:50:07
Jim, actually, if you can get in touch with Bobbi Anne,
2293
1:50:07
1:50:10
and please, Bobbi Anne is so busy with this case.
2294
1:50:10
1:50:13
So the request has gone out
2295
1:50:13
1:50:15
and any insights that each of us have,
2296
1:50:15
1:50:18
let's help Bobbi Anne in what she's requested help on.
2297
1:50:18
1:50:20
Jim, good insight there.
2298
1:50:20
1:50:22
Avery, you're last and then back to Stephen
2299
1:50:22
1:50:25
and we'll finish and then we can go to Tom,
2300
1:50:25
1:50:26
the other telegram group
2301
1:50:26
1:50:28
for those who have time to keep talking.
2303
1:50:29
1:50:31
Two quick things, Bobbi Anne, thank you so much.
2304
1:50:31
1:50:35
I think one real frustration we as physicians have
2305
1:50:35
1:50:39
from a practical standpoint is we get fed lies,
2306
1:50:39
1:50:41
lies being fed to the public,
2307
1:50:41
1:50:44
to the practitioners in medicine.
2308
1:50:44
1:50:45
And it's so frustrating.
2309
1:50:45
1:50:50
And finally, we do have solid data now about the shots.
2310
1:50:51
1:50:54
But the problem is, it's just like with Amy Barrett
2311
1:50:54
1:50:57
at the Supreme Court, with one of the colleges,
2312
1:50:57
1:51:00
there was a lawsuit by students, parents, I think,
2313
1:51:00
1:51:04
to not force these students to be vaccinated.
2314
1:51:04
1:51:06
And Amy Barrett ruled, just basically said,
2315
1:51:06
1:51:08
we're not gonna take the case.
2316
1:51:08
1:51:12
And it had to do in a way with what you've pointed out.
2317
1:51:12
1:51:16
You have to be focused not necessarily on the science,
2318
1:51:16
1:51:17
but on the law.
2319
1:51:17
1:51:20
And you focus very tightly on one part of your law
2320
1:51:20
1:51:23
in the state of New York and you want on that.
2321
1:51:23
1:51:24
And that's what you have to continue to do.
2322
1:51:24
1:51:27
The problem we face though,
2323
1:51:27
1:51:30
is where do you ever make the interconnection
2324
1:51:30
1:51:35
between science and judges who have to make a decision
2325
1:51:35
1:51:39
in a courtroom on whether a patient can be transferred
2326
1:51:39
1:51:42
out of a hospital because they're being mismanaged.
2327
1:51:42
1:51:46
Instead, you get a verdict by a judge in Florida who says,
2328
1:51:46
1:51:49
well, it has to do with the conscience of the hospital.
2329
1:51:49
1:51:52
So we're gonna rule against taking that patient
2330
1:51:52
1:51:55
out of Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville,
2331
1:51:55
1:51:57
which is a case that actually did occur.
2332
1:51:57
1:52:00
So it's so frustrating that the science is difficult
2333
1:52:00
1:52:03
to bring into these, even when we know we're right
2334
1:52:03
1:52:06
and we're costing people's lives.
2335
1:52:06
1:52:08
The last point I wanna make is the Epoch Times
2336
1:52:08
1:52:12
did publish a blurb, you may have seen it on July 11th.
2337
1:52:12
1:52:13
It was a day that says,
2338
1:52:13
1:52:16
New York State sets dangerous precedent
2339
1:52:16
1:52:19
for draconian quarantine regulations.
2340
1:52:19
1:52:21
And it's at the very top of the page,
2341
1:52:21
1:52:24
it says Epoch Times bright.
2342
1:52:24
1:52:25
I'm not sure what bright is.
2343
1:52:25
1:52:29
I think it's a health news,
2344
1:52:29
1:52:34
but it says, quick update uniting NYS and as the link.
2345
1:52:35
1:52:39
And it pleads with New York State citizens
2346
1:52:39
1:52:44
to join the cause to fight against the totalitarianism
2347
1:52:44
1:52:46
of the New York State government,
2348
1:52:46
1:52:48
the governor and the attorney general.
2349
1:52:48
1:52:50
So take a look at that.
2350
1:52:50
1:52:55
I found that on a search with Google or DuckDuckGo actually.
2351
1:52:57
1:53:00
So it's dated July 11th, but just so you know that,
2352
1:53:00
1:53:04
I don't see any other major news outlets on that one page,
2353
1:53:04
1:53:08
but you know the pages in searches a lot of times,
2354
1:53:08
1:53:12
if they come out in some other reputable information source,
2355
1:53:12
1:53:15
they get pushed down to the bottom of another page.
2356
1:53:16
1:53:19
Anyway, thank you for what you've done in New York.
2357
1:53:20
1:53:23
By the way, bright is a streaming TV service.
2358
1:53:24
1:53:27
They have a full program of players,
2359
1:53:27
1:53:30
including Dr. Artist, where they broadcast.
2360
1:53:32
1:53:33
Excellent, thank you, Glenn.
2361
1:53:33
1:53:34
Thank you, Avery.
2362
1:53:36
1:53:38
So Bobby, any comment before we get to Stephen
2363
1:53:38
1:53:40
as our last questions to you,
2364
1:53:40
1:53:42
and then we'll close this meeting.
2365
1:53:43
1:53:48
From what Avery raised, Bobby Ann?
2366
1:53:51
1:53:56
Yeah, so there have been, I mentioned before,
2367
1:53:56
1:54:00
really if you go online and you look for some sort of
2368
1:54:00
1:54:02
information or media about this,
2369
1:54:02
1:54:03
you're not gonna find much.
2370
1:54:03
1:54:05
The New York Post ran something.
2371
1:54:05
1:54:08
Stu Peters had me on his show.
2372
1:54:09
1:54:13
Dr. Shasta Erickson was monumental or instrumental
2373
1:54:13
1:54:17
in getting that connection and having Stu interview me,
2374
1:54:17
1:54:18
and that's helped a lot.
2375
1:54:18
1:54:19
I mean, he has a big audience.
2376
1:54:21
1:54:24
Mel Kay had picked up and interviewed me,
2377
1:54:24
1:54:27
had picked this up maybe a month ago,
2378
1:54:27
1:54:29
and so I reached out to let her know that we won,
2379
1:54:29
1:54:31
so she's gonna try and have me come back on
2380
1:54:31
1:54:32
to do an update.
2381
1:54:32
1:54:36
So there are certain areas where word is getting out,
2382
1:54:36
1:54:38
but it's not nearly as much.
2383
1:54:38
1:54:39
I mean, I was reading the chat before,
2384
1:54:39
1:54:40
and somebody said,
2385
1:54:40
1:54:42
oh, this should be a Tucker Carlson story.
2386
1:54:42
1:54:44
Yeah, it should be a Tucker Carlson story.
2387
1:54:44
1:54:47
It should be also on Newsmax and OAN,
2388
1:54:47
1:54:52
and a host of different Fox contributors or Fox hosts
2389
1:54:54
1:54:56
should be picking this up because this is,
2390
1:54:56
1:54:58
like I said, this is very different
2391
1:54:58
1:55:00
from forcing people to wear masks
2392
1:55:00
1:55:03
or forcing people to stand six feet apart from each other.
2393
1:55:03
1:55:05
So I completely agree with you.
2394
1:55:07
1:55:08
Thank you.
2395
1:55:08
1:55:08
Thank you, Bobbi Anne.
2396
1:55:08
1:55:11
Okay, Stephen, last questions to you.
2397
1:55:14
1:55:18
Well, what you've done, Bobbi Anne, is really great, I think,
2398
1:55:18
1:55:23
and is a lesson to all of us as to what is possible.
2399
1:55:24
1:55:28
I would be interested, did you think you could win it?
2400
1:55:30
1:55:35
So I have to say, my New York State legislators
2401
1:55:35
1:55:37
who came on the lawsuit, Senator Borrello,
2402
1:55:37
1:55:40
Assemblyman Teague, Assemblyman Lawler,
2403
1:55:41
1:55:43
and the ones that wrote the amicus brief,
2404
1:55:43
1:55:47
particularly Assemblyman Andrew Goodell,
2405
1:55:47
1:55:48
they were quite confident.
2406
1:55:50
1:55:52
Andrew Goodell is also an attorney, as I mentioned earlier.
2407
1:55:52
1:55:55
They were quite confident that I was gonna win
2408
1:55:55
1:55:57
because of the approach that I took,
2409
1:55:58
1:56:02
because of the causes of actions that I raised,
2410
1:56:03
1:56:06
because of the way that I framed the argument.
2411
1:56:06
1:56:10
And it was almost impossible for the judge
2412
1:56:10
1:56:12
to not rule in our favor
2413
1:56:12
1:56:15
because of the way that it was presented
2414
1:56:15
1:56:16
and the arguments that I made.
2415
1:56:16
1:56:19
So that's why I did it that way,
2416
1:56:19
1:56:20
because you have to know your audience.
2417
1:56:20
1:56:22
You must, or you're going to fail.
2418
1:56:24
1:56:26
Or if you win, if you succeed,
2419
1:56:26
1:56:29
it's going to be from the stars aligning properly
2420
1:56:29
1:56:31
and the wind blowing in the right direction.
2421
1:56:31
1:56:35
So the lawsuit was filed in the beginning of April.
2422
1:56:35
1:56:39
I'll just say I was studying and researching
2423
1:56:39
1:56:44
and working on it for a solid three months before that.
2424
1:56:44
1:56:49
So, and when I say working on it, I mean every day, all day.
2425
1:56:49
1:56:51
I put aside everything else to do this
2426
1:56:51
1:56:53
because it was so important.
2427
1:56:53
1:56:54
And there was a timeframe involved
2428
1:56:54
1:56:57
because they've been issuing it as an emergency regulation
2429
1:56:57
1:56:59
since August of 2021.
2430
1:56:59
1:57:03
And they were working to make it a permanent regulation.
2431
1:57:03
1:57:06
So I knew that there was a timeframe
2432
1:57:06
1:57:08
and I knew that I had to beat the clock.
2433
1:57:08
1:57:11
And so I dropped everything and picked this up.
2434
1:57:11
1:57:15
So it's just super important that, you know,
2435
1:57:15
1:57:19
it's an example of, you know, you,
2436
1:57:19
1:57:20
and the other thing is I used to be
2437
1:57:20
1:57:23
with a large international law firm based in New York City,
2438
1:57:23
1:57:26
but, you know, that was 20 years ago.
2439
1:57:26
1:57:29
I mean, now I've had my own law practice for 20 years.
2440
1:57:29
1:57:31
And, you know, it was Davy versus Goliath.
2441
1:57:31
1:57:33
David versus Goliath, you know,
2442
1:57:33
1:57:35
the state has all the resources.
2443
1:57:35
1:57:37
They have all our tax dollars to fight back.
2444
1:57:37
1:57:41
And we won, and we won because we had the right argument
2445
1:57:41
1:57:42
and the right judge.
2446
1:57:42
1:57:47
And it was really a strong sign to not just,
2447
1:57:48
1:57:51
not just the government to stay in your lane
2448
1:57:51
1:57:52
or the executive branch to stay in your lane,
2449
1:57:52
1:57:54
but it's assigned to the legislators,
2450
1:57:54
1:57:56
all the ones who didn't want to get on the lawsuit.
2451
1:57:56
1:58:00
Cause I spoke to many who were in support of the lawsuit
2452
1:58:00
1:58:02
and did not like the quarantine regulation
2453
1:58:02
1:58:02
and thought I was right,
2454
1:58:02
1:58:05
but they didn't want to actually put their name
2455
1:58:05
1:58:09
to the lawsuit and get involved for other reasons.
2456
1:58:09
1:58:10
I bet they wish they did now.
2457
1:58:11
1:58:12
Well, that's what I'm saying.
2458
1:58:12
1:58:15
You know, now, now some of them are like, wow, you know,
2459
1:58:15
1:58:17
reaching out to me, congratulations, it's fabulous.
2460
1:58:17
1:58:19
You know, I should have come on the lawsuit with you,
2461
1:58:19
1:58:22
you know, so, because this is what the voters want.
2462
1:58:23
1:58:25
The politicians want to please the voters
2463
1:58:25
1:58:27
and the voters want politicians who are going to stand up
2464
1:58:27
1:58:32
for their rights and not go along with the machine, right?
2465
1:58:33
1:58:36
Stand up for the people, not the politics.
2466
1:58:36
1:58:40
So yeah, it's really, but it's also, I think, I hope,
2467
1:58:40
1:58:42
it's inspirational to other attorneys
2468
1:58:42
1:58:44
or just other people out there that are like,
2469
1:58:44
1:58:46
well, I'm just one person, you know, I can't do anything.
2470
1:58:46
1:58:47
I can't really make a difference.
2471
1:58:47
1:58:49
You absolutely can make a difference.
2472
1:58:49
1:58:52
You just have to have the determination and the drive.
2473
1:58:52
1:58:54
Which is why, Bobbi, and we need to help you as a group
2474
1:58:54
1:58:58
to get the story better aired, should we say.
2475
1:58:58
1:58:59
Oh, for sure.
2476
1:58:59
1:59:02
I think if other attorneys heard this story,
2477
1:59:02
1:59:03
they would say, you know what?
2478
1:59:03
1:59:05
I'm gonna do something too,
2479
1:59:05
1:59:08
or I'm going to help somebody that's doing something.
2480
1:59:08
1:59:11
You know, I'll just dedicate my weekends, you know,
2481
1:59:11
1:59:12
to helping them or something.
2482
1:59:12
1:59:15
You don't have to do what I did and drop everything
2483
1:59:15
1:59:18
and take this on as, you know, everything that you eat,
2484
1:59:18
1:59:19
breathe and sleep.
2485
1:59:19
1:59:21
You can do it, you know, donate your time in the evening,
2486
1:59:21
1:59:23
donate your time on the weekends.
2487
1:59:23
1:59:26
There's always, always an excuse that you can make
2488
1:59:26
1:59:28
to not do something, right?
2489
1:59:28
1:59:29
There's always something else you can do instead.
2490
1:59:29
1:59:31
Of course there is.
2491
1:59:31
1:59:32
But you know what?
2492
1:59:32
1:59:34
Huh, we are gonna be in big trouble
2493
1:59:34
1:59:36
if other people don't stand up too,
2494
1:59:36
1:59:40
because this is the serious stuff.
2495
1:59:40
1:59:40
Our lives.
2496
1:59:40
1:59:42
This is serious stuff. Our lives are in danger.
2497
1:59:42
1:59:44
All our lives.
2498
1:59:44
1:59:46
And our way of life is in danger too.
2500
1:59:47
1:59:50
All right, Stacey, we're gonna end.
2501
1:59:50
1:59:51
Can I just ask,
2502
1:59:52
1:59:54
are you in touch with Warner Mendenhall?
2503
1:59:56
1:59:57
I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.
2504
1:59:57
1:59:59
He's a lawyer. Warner Mendenhall.
2505
2:00:01
2:00:02
I'm not in touch, no.
2506
2:00:02
2:00:04
Are you in touch with Todd Callender?
2507
2:00:06
2:00:08
Tom, you had introduced us by email,
2508
2:00:08
2:00:10
so I am supposed to be speaking with him this week.
2509
2:00:10
2:00:11
Todd Callender, yeah.
2510
2:00:11
2:00:13
Yes, yes, you introduced us by email.
2511
2:00:13
2:00:15
So I can introduce, okay.
2512
2:00:15
2:00:16
Oh yes, that's right, yes.
2513
2:00:16
2:00:18
Yes, you did.
2514
2:00:18
2:00:20
And Tom Renz as well.
2515
2:00:21
2:00:23
Also, Bobby-Ann, I'm in touch,
2516
2:00:23
2:00:25
bearing in mind what you've just said now,
2517
2:00:25
2:00:27
or about two minutes ago.
2518
2:00:28
2:00:30
I'm in touch with 70 lawyers around the world.
2519
2:00:30
2:00:31
I put them in touch with each other.
2520
2:00:31
2:00:34
I was hoping that they would kind of pick up.
2521
2:00:34
2:00:37
A lot of them were asking me to do it,
2522
2:00:37
2:00:40
and then I did it, connected them all,
2523
2:00:40
2:00:41
and nothing happened.
2524
2:00:41
2:00:43
Or there were a few emails flying around,
2525
2:00:43
2:00:45
and one or two saying that-
2526
2:00:45
2:00:47
Yeah, but you know what it is, Stephen?
2527
2:00:47
2:00:48
And I'm seeing this with other things too,
2528
2:00:48
2:00:50
because the citizens group
2529
2:00:51
2:00:52
that is on this lawsuit, this quarantine lawsuit,
2530
2:00:52
2:00:56
Uniting New York State, fantastic group,
2531
2:00:56
2:00:58
and I've been intimately involved with them
2532
2:00:58
2:00:59
from the very beginning.
2533
2:00:59
2:01:03
But if there's nobody willing to take the lead,
2534
2:01:03
2:01:06
and there's nobody willing to kind of,
2535
2:01:09
2:01:11
I mean, there's no other word but lead.
2536
2:01:11
2:01:12
If there's nobody willing to take the responsibility-
2537
2:01:12
2:01:13
I know, exactly.
2538
2:01:13
2:01:16
And the time and the energy to lead,
2539
2:01:16
2:01:18
then nothing's going to happen.
2540
2:01:19
2:01:20
Exactly.
2541
2:01:20
2:01:23
So in your case, you took the lead in your case.
2542
2:01:23
2:01:28
In my case, I was trying to survive here in North Wales
2543
2:01:28
2:01:30
through these monstrous times,
2544
2:01:30
2:01:34
and something drove me to form a group,
2545
2:01:34
2:01:36
and I just carried on and carried on and carried on.
2546
2:01:36
2:01:38
I didn't know why I was doing it,
2547
2:01:38
2:01:41
but then it became obvious to me, even me in the end,
2548
2:01:41
2:01:42
why I was doing it.
2549
2:01:42
2:01:45
I was kind of putting people in contact with each other,
2550
2:01:45
2:01:48
and you need someone to do that.
2551
2:01:48
2:01:51
But if I hadn't done it, nobody else would have done it.
2552
2:01:52
2:01:53
And it was my idea.
2553
2:01:53
2:01:55
So I thought I should do this
2554
2:01:55
2:01:57
because I don't know where it's going to lead,
2555
2:01:57
2:02:00
but I feel that it's what I need to do.
2556
2:02:00
2:02:03
And I think everybody in this group, I think,
2557
2:02:03
2:02:05
may have those feelings.
2558
2:02:05
2:02:06
They have an idea, and they think,
2559
2:02:06
2:02:09
"'Oh, but it won't work because it's my idea.'"
2560
2:02:09
2:02:10
Do you understand me?
2561
2:02:10
2:02:12
And they don't realize why they're doing it either,
2562
2:02:12
2:02:15
but something is making them do it,
2563
2:02:15
2:02:17
and it becomes obvious afterwards.
2564
2:02:17
2:02:21
And I think maybe you started on your mission,
2565
2:02:21
2:02:22
thinking, well, there's not much chance,
2566
2:02:22
2:02:24
but I've got to do it.
2567
2:02:24
2:02:26
And then eventually you won,
2568
2:02:26
2:02:29
and then you realized why it was so important.
2569
2:02:31
2:02:32
Anyway, brilliant.
2570
2:02:34
2:02:35
The importance is camp.
2571
2:02:35
2:02:37
It really can't be overstated.
2572
2:02:37
2:02:38
It really can't.
2573
2:02:38
2:02:39
I absolutely agree.
2574
2:02:39
2:02:41
And this is so important that we get this word out
2575
2:02:41
2:02:44
because other people need to know, first of all,
2576
2:02:44
2:02:46
that it exists, but second of all,
2577
2:02:46
2:02:47
that you can beat it.
2578
2:02:47
2:02:49
You can beat it.
2579
2:02:49
2:02:51
Also, Bobbi-Ann, there are so few people
2580
2:02:51
2:02:53
who are prepared to take responsibility,
2581
2:02:53
2:02:55
so they have thoughts.
2582
2:02:55
2:02:56
People write to me and say,
2583
2:02:56
2:02:58
"'Shall we do this? Can we do this?'
2584
2:02:58
2:03:00
And I say, well, you've thought of it.
2585
2:03:00
2:03:01
Why don't you try it?
2586
2:03:01
2:03:03
You're probably the best person to do it.
2587
2:03:03
2:03:07
But they've never seen themselves as a leader before.
2588
2:03:07
2:03:07
Do you understand me?
2589
2:03:07
2:03:09
So they don't know themselves,
2590
2:03:09
2:03:10
and they don't...
2591
2:03:10
2:03:14
So a lot of the best people don't understand
2592
2:03:15
2:03:17
that they're clever, for example,
2593
2:03:17
2:03:19
no one's ever encouraged them.
2594
2:03:19
2:03:23
And we've got loads of people in this group,
2595
2:03:23
2:03:25
incredibly bright people,
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2:03:27
and it's clear that they don't understand the importance
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2:03:29
of what they're talking about.
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2:03:31
All right.
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2:03:31
2:03:32
All right.
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2:03:33
We're gonna go.
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2:03:35
So well said, Stephen.
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2:03:39
Again, Bobbi-Ann, big round of applause for you.
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2:03:40
Great job.
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2:03:43
And we're in there.
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2:03:44
And you've spread the message.
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2:03:48
So we'll be with you again on Tuesday night, everybody.
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2:03:50
Stephen will be sending the invitation.
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2:03:52
Do you know who the guest is yet, Stephen?
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2:03:59
I think it's going to be Alexandra Latipova.
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2:04:00
Excellent.
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2:04:00
2:04:01
On data.
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2:04:01
2:04:02
And then on the...
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2:04:07
Well, no, she knows all about how pharmaceutical companies,
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2:04:10
what they should have done and how they should have done it.
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2:04:10
2:04:12
She works with Craig Particouper as well,
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2:04:12
2:04:15
and he's going to speak to us another day.
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2:04:18
Yes, and then on Sunday night,
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2:04:21
we've got Albert on VAERS and the likes.
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2:04:21
2:04:22
Yes, then the VDs, yeah.
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2:04:22
2:04:23
So that's what's on, everybody.
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2:04:25
Thank you for joining us.
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2:04:25
2:04:28
Tom Rodman has put the link in.
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2:04:28
2:04:30
Good to see you, Albert and Mark.
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2:04:30
2:04:31
Thank you, everybody.
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2:04:31
2:04:32
Bobbi-Ann, we're here.
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2:04:32
2:04:33
We will do what we can.
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2:04:33
2:04:36
Everybody has said that they will.
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2:04:36
2:04:37
Save the chat, everybody.
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2:04:37
2:04:39
Bobbi-Ann, you as well.
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2:04:40
Make sure that you do,
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2:04:41
because there's a lot of good links in there
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2:04:41
2:04:43
and email addresses.
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2:04:43
2:04:44
And please understand, everybody,
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2:04:44
2:04:46
the time pressures on Bobbi-Ann,
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2:04:46
2:04:47
so we're going to help her.
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2:04:47
2:04:50
Stephen, well done for organizing the group,
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2:04:54
and we'll be with you in two days' time.
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2:04:57
Have a beautiful Sunday night, Monday, everybody.
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2:04:57
2:04:58
Thank you.
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2:04:58
2:04:59
Thank you.
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2:04:59
2:05:00
Thank you so much.
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2:05:00
2:05:00
Thank you for having me.
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2:05:00
2:05:01
Thank you, Bobbi-Ann.
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2:05:02
2:05:03
Thank you.
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2:05:03
2:05:04
Goodbye, everybody.
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2:05:04
2:05:05
Thank you.
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2:05:05
2:05:06
Thanks, God bless, everyone.
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2:05:06
2:05:07
God bless you all.
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2:05:12
2:05:14
Charles, can you send me the chance?
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2:05:14
2:05:15
Stephen, I will.
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2:05:15
2:05:17
And while everybody's exiting,
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2:05:17
2:05:19
just while I've got you,
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2:05:19
2:05:20
what you need to do,
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2:05:20
2:05:24
rather than just clicking on the link for the meeting,
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2:05:25
2:05:27
Log in, which is what I do.
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2:05:27
2:05:29
So log in first,
2659
2:05:29
2:05:32
and then join the meeting from your,
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2:05:32
2:05:34
when you're logged in on Zoom, okay?
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2:05:34
2:05:37
That way you have full control when you come on.
2662
2:05:37
2:05:39
That's why you didn't have the power to mute,
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2:05:39
2:05:41
because you've been clicking on the link.
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2:05:42
2:05:43
Log in first, go to your meeting.
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2:05:43
2:05:44
That's what I do.
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2:05:44
2:05:47
That's why I come on as you.
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2:05:48
2:05:49
Thanks.
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2:05:49
2:05:50
Thank you, Charles.
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2:05:51
2:05:53
Thanks, everybody.
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2:05:53
2:05:54
Bye then.
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2:05:56
Thank you for the kind feedback.