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that report that's fantastic.
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Sorry for the long.
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Stephen, welcome to Stephen Frost's group.
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Stephen is here.
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Mickalai Rezak, welcome.
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Stephen, please welcome Mickalai and Theresa,
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are you through your good offices
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that we've got Mickalai here with us today?
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I understand, but Stephen first say hello,
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then I'll go through some logistics
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and we'll hear from Mickalai first.
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Hi Mickalai.
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I was trying to work out how to pronounce
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your second name, is it Rasek?
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I'll go for that, that's good enough.
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I usually introduce myself as Dr. Razek.
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It's actual not the correct pronunciation of my name,
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but this is the easiest way to go with for Canadians.
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How should it be pronounced then?
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Rasek, the S-Z is like an S-H in English.
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So it wasn't too far away.
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No, no, I actually enjoyed it.
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And the first one with a J at the end,
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is it Mickalai?
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Yeah, you got it, you got it.
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It's the Polish way of spelling Nicholas.
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Yes, okay.
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Also not my pronunciation of my name,
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but again, that's how I introduced myself my whole life
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because that's what here people in Canada can handle.
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The actual pronunciation is Mikołaj
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and that seems to be quite difficult.
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So I just go with Mickalai.
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But Mickalai, it is M like-
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Yeah, like Michael, that's right.
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Yes, that's right.
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Yes, because when you say-
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Poland might be the only country in the world
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that spells Nicholas with an M.
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Oh, no, no, Hungary does the same.
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Ah, oh, I didn't know that.
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Look at that, okay.
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Which country is that, Mickalai?
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Ah, yes, of course, yeah.
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They like consonants in Poland, don't they?
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They've got extremely difficult grammar.
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Yes, we do.
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It's actually one of the most difficult languages
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in the world to learn because depending on a context,
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you constantly have to change the end of
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all of the words in a sentence.
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So it's not like in English where you learn the word,
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it's one word, in Polish it would be that same word
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times 17 or something like that, it's ridiculous.
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Yeah, so it's a way of separating the intellectuals from-
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Is it, I don't know.
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I don't know, the joke is Poland was occupied
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throughout history so often, maybe this is our way to,
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you know, minimize spies.
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We don't know why, just ridiculously difficult.
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Unless you're born into this language,
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it's very challenging to learn a brand new.
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Mickalai, have you seen that incredible video
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of one of the truckers in Canada saying,
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we're not even angry yet?
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And then a Polish guy, Polish trucker comes on
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and he can remember the Gdansk shipyard riots, you know?
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And he said, so he explained what angry was.
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So I was, someone was mentioning kid
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when they met Terry Fox, right on, what a cool story.
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I was a child in Poland when solidarity movement started.
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That was the movement, it started in Gdańsk,
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which is the port city of Poland.
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And that's the movement that eventually helped to abolish
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the communist regime in Poland.
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And I actually did go to the support demonstration
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in Edmonton, it was a lot of fun.
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So I will echo what that one gentleman was mentioning.
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It was basically giant street party.
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I haven't seen this many happy people together in,
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well, since start of pandemic.
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And what was interesting, it was actually to see
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a lot of solidarity signs.
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So same as what we used in Poland,
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but in English with the Canadian flag.
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So I thought that was such an interesting parallel
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to be witnessing that again, all over again in my life,
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but now as an adult, as a kid, it didn't matter.
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Like none of that mattered to me when I was a kid.
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I was just, I wanted to play outside.
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That's all that mattered to me, right?
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Yeah, but we should actually copy their tactics.
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And I did think of it at one stage
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and then I forgot about it.
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Because one of our best friends is Polish.
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And she actually, she wasn't a political refugee,
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but her father was because he was one of the leaders
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of the Solidarity Movement.
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And so he was one of Lech Valencia's right-hand men.
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At the age of 15, when she was 15,
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she later told my wife that she cried for a whole year
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when she arrived in Sweden.
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On the day that he was released from prison,
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they left for Sweden from Poland for political crimes.
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He was in prison for political crimes.
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And they left with one suitcase, the whole family,
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four children.
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And she told my wife that she cried for a whole year
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because she had to leave all her friends behind in Poland
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and nobody understood her in Sweden
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because she didn't speak English
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and they didn't understand Polish.
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But she trained as a doctor.
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And strangely, she married my best friend
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who's an Iranian refugee, political refugee.
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Well, I can identify-
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He trained as a dentist
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at Karolinska Institute in Stockholm.
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My parents immigrated to escape communist regime as well.
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And I came to Canada without a single word of English.
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And yes, it has somewhat delayed my personal growth,
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I suppose, because you leave family behind.
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And in a way, it's like suffering a form of amnesia
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because all your memories that would have been re-triggered
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because of the family members you see, where you live,
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that's all gone.
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So when I went back to Poland, many years later, actually,
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I didn't go back to Poland for a couple of decades,
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it was literally like coming out of amnesia
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where suddenly there was a flood of memories
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that I didn't realize I still had in the back of my head.
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Just by seeing the streets where I grew up,
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it's much better looking.
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When I was leaving Poland, it was garbage
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because all the money was siphoned away.
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Everyone was living in poverty or almost everyone.
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And yeah, totalitarian regimes, I'm not fond of.
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So I am also proud of what the trackers are doing.
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And the reason why is because in this context,
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what they're truly fighting is whether people understand
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this or not, and clearly media does not understand it,
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is not to allow an accidental overreach of powers
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because when that happens,
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there can be a damage to society.
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My family lived through it.
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Exactly. It took 70 years to get out of it.
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Incredible.
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All right, David.
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Let's get Teresa who organized Mikolai.
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Teresa, well done for introducing Mikolai
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and how you know him, please,
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before I give you a few logistics.
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Well, as you know, I've been researching the spike protein
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about as much as I can.
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And Mikolai's excellent presentations on YouTube
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have really helped me get to grips with it.
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I'm not medically trained.
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I've got a physics degree,
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but he makes it simple just even for me to understand.
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And I'm amazed with what he's saying
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that he's still on YouTube.
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Mikolai, you're smarter than YouTube.
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This is-
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He's been trained in Poland.
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You had to fight communism in Poland too.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You had to be clever.
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Yes, exactly.
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You have to know how to bypass censorship.
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So thank you for organizing that, everybody.
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So I'm your moderator.
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So here's the big picture.
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Mikolai, for you as our guest speaker today,
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Stephen, well done for organizing this group.
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We meet twice a week.
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Mikolai, so you're most welcome to join any time.
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We'll go for two hours.
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So we have a structured meeting for two hours
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if because of huge question.
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So you speak for 30 minutes, 40 minutes, thereabouts,
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and then we'll moderate questions of you and discussions.
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And then we have other discussions
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and you're welcome to stay or go if you want to go.
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And then at the two hour mark, it becomes,
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it's like we have a formal church service
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and then we go to the pub, then we go to the bar, okay?
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And then it becomes free for all.
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That's the type of structure.
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So the people who are in the UK
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can go to sleep at a reasonable hour
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and that they know that structure.
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And then the other creative conversation
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comes from other places.
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Secondly, the questions I moderate
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and today we're gonna do slightly different.
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We really wanna hear from people
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who don't normally ask questions.
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So don't be shy.
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And I'm going to, Gary Finkelstein,
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love to see your hand there.
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He's got his hand up there already,
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but then he'll ask a question at the end.
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But I'm gonna give preference to people
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who don't normally ask questions.
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And we've got some interesting people on this call
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that you'll enjoy speaking to.
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And thirdly, as I said, my parents like yours,
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like yours, Nikolai were from Hungary.
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They were refugees from communism
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who arrived in Australia in 1949.
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And then, so in Hungarian,
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Nicholas is Miklós with an M.
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So there you are.
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So it's the same structure as the Polish complexity.
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Anyway, Nikolai Ruszek, welcome and over to you
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for half an hour, 40 minutes, 45.
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Would you like to share your screen?
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Well, ladies and gentlemen,
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I don't have that presentation ready
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because I have no information as to
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what is supposed to be structured here.
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I literally find out, I knew this is coming
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and then I found out and nothing more.
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And then I got like three minutes prior.
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Well, don't worry, Nikolai.
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If you run out, have you got anything to say at the moment?
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Because if you run out, we can organize questions.
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We're good at questions.
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Oh yeah, we can, depends.
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Well, first let me know what is of interest to you
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in terms of what content is of most interest to you.
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My actual background and my specialty
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is medical DNA testing.
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However, I also work for a company,
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startup company based in Edmonton, Alberta,
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where we're developing ultra rapid COVID-19 test,
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a test that can test you within literally seconds.
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And so that's also my background
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where I read a lot on COVID.
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Also, is this being recorded by the way?
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It is, yes, but it won't get published
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without your permission.
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So if I provide personal information
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that I would not want to be shared,
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do you want me to provide that information
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or easier if I don't, for sake of simplicity?
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Sorry, oh, I see about your firm, you mean.
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My personal genetic information,
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which normally should not be shared publicly,
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but I can share with you
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if it's not going to be shared publicly.
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Your personal genetic information.
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You mean your genetic code.
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My genetic history of my, so I'll skip that.
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It won't be shared publicly.
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Okay, so my background also,
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why my heavy interest in this pandemic
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and researching it to quite an extent
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is because obviously by being a proponent
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of using medical DNA tests
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so you can learn your predispositions,
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obviously I decoded my own DNA
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and I found out I have a genetic condition
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that predisposes me to dying from pneumonia of all things.
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So when the pandemic started,
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I immediately started paying close attention
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because, well, I didn't know if I'm gonna survive or not.
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And like, I'm not afraid of dying, it is what it is,
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but what are the precautions?
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So the first month of the pandemic,
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I probably did not leave the room
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or my apartment, I should say.
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And just started studying,
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and like the information coming out from China
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just looked horrible.
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I remember when I first finally came out,
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I came out at midnight where streets were empty
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and it was so eerie and just so I can walk the streets
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and not feel so weird.
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But I started studying the information
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right from the beginning.
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And clearly I was also very much interested
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in the vaccine as well.
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So I am completely pro-vaccine person.
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So just, I don't wanna be triggering everyone.
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However, I am completely against mandates.
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And right away when I started studying this information,
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when it came to related to vaccines,
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nothing was adding up.
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And it created a sense of confusion in me
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because I have spent number of years preparing myself
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in order to launch my own business
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about medical DNA testing.
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And I took many years to prepare
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in order to be able to actually deal with doctors.
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What does it mean to be able to sell medical device?
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What does it mean to deal with patients as clients
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and so on?
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And I learned a lot of background of what it means
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to be able to deliver medical tests to a person.
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And my entire business is actually built
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around the idea of client informed consent.
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So when vaccines came out,
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everything seemed weird right away.
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And my first red flag was the fact that
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we adopted technology that has never been used before
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based on extremely scant amount of scientific information.
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And my background from medical genetics,
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and just to fill you in, I have a degree in genetics.
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And my undergrad degree is in genetics
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and I have a doctorate degree in biochemistry.
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So I'm not a medical doctor.
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It just happened that I've been studying
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medical published scientific information
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my whole scientific career,
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because everything you publish in terms of research
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is almost always related to medicine one way or another.
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And I was confused thinking like,
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have I educated myself wrong?
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This is not how we accumulate information
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in order to approve any type of genetic test,
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any type of information in order to be considered valid
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in medical DNA testing.
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It takes so much effort and repeat studies
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before in medicine genetic testing is accepted.
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And it's still only trickling in.
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It's still not a standard, not a common standard at all,
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which is why I bring it privately to patients in Canada.
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And I was simply confused about that,
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but I decided to, hey, listen, let's trust the authorities.
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I'm just like a second rate scientist.
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Obviously these people know better,
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but I was shocked because ultimately vaccines were approved
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based on results of a few hundred people, that's it.
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And from results of a few hundred people, selected people,
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we then expanded to vaccinating millions,
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well, by now billions truly,
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without any deep molecular understanding
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of how these vaccines work.
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And that's my personal interest.
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Because my background in genetics and biochemistry,
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molecular biology is what truly fascinates me.
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And yes, we established that these vaccines are safe
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from the appearance of clinical symptoms
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within very, very short time.
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And that same mantra that has been established
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in the first two months of clinical trials
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is now being repeated to this day.
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Without actually establishing safety of these vaccines
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for any longer duration than that.
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I believe the last data that I might have seen published
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in the scientific literature
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may be extended up to six months.
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And that's it, we still don't have a system
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in being able to track what are the potential issues
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related to vaccination.
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The information is still slowly trickling out
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as to what happens inside your body
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once you get vaccinated.
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I find it shocking that, and I'll pause right away,
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I find it shocking that to this day,
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we still don't know actually how much of the mRNA template
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is used on average, meaning expressed,
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used to produce the protein product.
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We still don't know how long it lasts
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in human body post-injection.
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We still don't know where it is being distributed.
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That's, I don't know, maybe I'm missing some information.
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You have to understand COVID-19 is the most studied disease
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probably in history.
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We, in the last year long,
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there's more than 100,000 publications published
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on the topic.
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Clearly I have read,
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I've only read that tiny, tiny fraction of that, right?
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But that's, as far as I understand,
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no one knows this information.
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We still don't know how long the spike protein lasts
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post-vaccination.
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There's now some hints, but that I've covered in my videos,
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but a lot of that information is not being controlled.
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So I see there's some hands up being raised.
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So why don't I pause there and let's address
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on those individuals in case those are questions.
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Can I say, Charles, there is a Sam Seidy in Australia.
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Steven, hang on.
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I've spoken to Sam via chat.
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So that's good.
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I think that Sam would be the first questioner,
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but before he does,
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Theresa said that your knowledge around spike protein,
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Mikolai, would you cover that broadly?
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Give us a feel for that before we go to Sam
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as the first questioner.
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Okay, so the spike protein,
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there's a lot of confusion on this.
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So first of all, please appreciate that my primary focus
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of interest in studies are the mRNA vaccines.
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Because I'm actually fascinated with this technology.
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And because of my field,
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which is dealing with genetic disorders,
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I'm obviously hoping that this technology,
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once we perfect it, and we're nowhere near that,
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once we perfect it, we will be able to use this technology
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to treat some of the human diseases, genetic diseases.
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And that hands my interest.
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And actually also why I'm somewhat biased
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to try to learn problems with this technology.
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And it's not because I'm against the technology,
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it's because I'm for the technology
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and I want to know what doesn't work
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so we can understand better
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how we should fix those problems.
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So then it's mRNA, of course, super brief background.
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Think of DNA.
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DNA is inside your cells.
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Think of it as a repository of information.
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It's a program code that evolved you from a single cell
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to the multicellular organism that you are today.
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And it's also a program code that runs you every day.
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So us having this conversation
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is dependent on that code as well, right?
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But that's just repository of information.
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It's housed inside the nucleus.
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So think of nucleus as your filing cabinet.
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In order to use this information,
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you need to pull out files out of filing cabinet,
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meaning we copied tiny fragments of that DNA
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into what is called messenger RNA.
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And done, messenger RNA is then taken out of the nucleus
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and that is finally what is used as a template
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to produce the product of interest, which are proteins.
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And then think of proteins as tiny molecular robots.
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And that's exactly what they are.
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They are little robots
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that do all of the work inside your cells.
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So then, vaccinal mRNA tricks our cells into thinking,
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oh, hey, this is just another mRNA that came out of nucleus.
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Of course, there's some trickery going on there
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to make sure that we can fool the cell.
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And as a consequence, once the vaccine vehicle enters the cell
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and there's a very clever designs behind it
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so that it can fuse with the cell and deliver that messenger,
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then the cell will take that information
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and produce the spike protein, the little molecular robot.
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Now let's talk about the spike, the protein.
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So mRNA is just a template to produce the protein.
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And the protein for the mRNA vaccines are identical
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to what would be found inside a virus
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with exception of presence of two mutations.
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And two amino acid residues are mutated.
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Amino acids are the building blocks of the protein.
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So think of like Lego building blocks,
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except they're all interconnected in a single long chain
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and a long chain is then folded, folded, folded, folded,
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and you get a three-dimensional entity.
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And then two of these amino acids
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somewhere within that protein were mutated.
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And what that does is it affects
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what the spike protein could do later on in its life cycle.
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So normal spike protein,
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you probably are aware of what its shape,
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it looks like a, I always call it,
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it looks like a Hercules club, right?
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It has that bigger head and then there's a stalk below.
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Now, eventually that head is used to interact
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with the human receptors in order to initiate the contact
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between the virus and the cell.
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That head will be ripped off eventually.
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It will literally come off.
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And below that head,
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and this is what a lot of people don't know,
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are arms, they're folded.
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They're literally like arms.
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And these arms unfold, they will unfold, go up,
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and these arms will latch onto the cell and grab the cell.
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Literally they fuse with the membrane of the cell,
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which is like the skin of the cell, if you will.
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And because they fused with it and latched onto it,
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those same arms then go back down.
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And as they start going down,
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they literally bring the cell closer
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and closer and closer to the virus.
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And eventually the membrane of the virus
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fuses with the membrane of the cell.
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And that's how a virus delivers its genetic material
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inside the cell.
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Now, these arms cannot fold up like this
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in the vaccinal spike protein
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because of these two mutations that have been introduced.
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So that's the, and that is the only difference.
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Meaning if you produce the spike protein,
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that spike protein would not, from vaccine,
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that spike protein from vaccine,
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once the head is ripped off, those arms will not unfold
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and that spike protein will not be able to latch on
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to any adjacent cell.
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However, everything prior to that, it looks identical
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and therefore it could mimic in every way
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what happens with the actual viral protein.
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There could be differences, but we don't know
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because no one is looking at this as far as I know.
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No one is studying this.
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So what could be the differences
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when you produce a protein inside your cell,
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once the protein is made,
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it's also decorated on top with sugar molecules,
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with specific type of sugar molecules.
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So sugar is a very wide family of chemicals.
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The ones we put into our coffee is just one glucose,
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it's just one type.
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And we decorate these proteins with sugar molecules.
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That could be one potential difference
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between the vaccinal protein
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versus natural post-infection viral protein
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is maybe how the sugar molecules are attached.
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But again, we don't really know,
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it's not really studied in detail.
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That could actually differentiate them
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in how they behave afterwards
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and how one is pathogenic versus the other
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because there is now of course emerging evidence
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that spike protein in itself is a toxic material.
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So that's the background on spike protein.
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Is that sufficient enough?
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Excellent, thank you, Mikolai.
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So remember everybody, I'm giving priority today
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following conversation with Steven
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to people who don't normally ask questions.
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And remember in any group that you are in,
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that people, it can be somewhat scary asking questions.
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And so we wanna encourage everybody
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who's not usually asking questions
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to ask questions as well.
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So Sam, tell us about you with your interesting background
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and then I suggest ask your questions
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rather than send them through in writing to Mikolai.
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Welcome.
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Hi, can you hear me okay?
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Good, I'm 10,000 miles away.
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Okay, I'm a surgeon, but my background,
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my previous background was in genomics.
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I was at the, I was at Cambridge,
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which is linked to the Sanger Center
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doing genomic research into endometrial cancer
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and that's how I got interested in the COVID thing
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because as soon as they said mRNA, I went,
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hold on a second, that's tricky stuff.
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You've gotta know about mRNA and a lot of people don't.
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And David Wiseman, I don't know if anybody saw this,
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but David Wiseman highlighted this nicely
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in the Senator Ron Johnson hearing the other day
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when he held up a piece of paper and said,
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how many of you people here know
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about untranslated regions?
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And a few people put their hands up,
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but you've got a whole group of highly qualified doctors
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in that room and they don't know
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about untranslated regions.
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So that's where we are.
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And we're battling a technology that has great promise
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in terms of cancer therapy.
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And I don't have any doubts about that,
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but in terms of managing infections,
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possibly less promise.
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So I did have some specific questions
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that we haven't really looked at
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and we are discussing offline in small groups.
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And I thought it might be useful to bring them up to Miko
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to have a chat.
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Now, I did enjoy your video of you walking through,
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talking about the spike protein in the nucleus.
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And I think the reason we're here,
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I think the reason Miko's here is because
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the paper that he was talking about
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showed that it was the spike protein itself,
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not the mRNA or anything else,
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but the spike protein itself,
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which can get into the nucleus of the cell
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and interfere with P53 and BRCA pathways.
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Now, as an oncologist, that's a real problem.
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We spend our lives fighting
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with P53 and BRCA interference
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because P53 and BRCA interference
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causes ovarian and breast cancer.
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So if you interfere with those pathways,
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you've got a bit of a problem, not a problem now,
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0:29:04
it's a problem in 20 years time.
593
0:29:04
0:29:06
So we don't know how much.
594
0:29:06
0:29:09
And the same can be said for COVID virus,
595
0:29:10
0:29:14
spike protein as a manufactured spike protein.
596
0:29:14
0:29:16
So it doesn't matter how the spike protein is made,
597
0:29:16
0:29:18
it appears to get into the nucleus.
598
0:29:19
0:29:21
And one of the things that came up
599
0:29:21
0:29:24
was am I able to share screens on this
600
0:29:24
0:29:26
or is that not possible, do we know?
601
0:29:26
0:29:30
Yes, you can, I'll give that to you, Sam, hang on.
602
0:29:34
0:29:35
Yes, you can.
603
0:29:36
0:29:39
So, let's see if this works.
604
0:29:39
0:29:41
So there was a document that came out
605
0:29:42
0:29:43
and I don't think they realized
606
0:29:43
0:29:46
that this document was coming out, this one.
607
0:29:46
0:29:48
It's called the Non-Clinical Evaluation Report
608
0:29:49
0:29:53
for the Comianati, which is an interesting name,
609
0:29:53
0:29:55
it will come to soon.
611
0:29:57
0:29:59
Nico, I don't know if you saw this,
612
0:29:59
0:30:02
but this was, after your presentation,
613
0:30:02
0:30:03
I looked at this and I thought,
614
0:30:03
0:30:06
oh, well, this is potentially a problem
615
0:30:06
0:30:09
because the paper that you referenced
616
0:30:09
0:30:12
was spike protein in immune cells
617
0:30:12
0:30:14
getting into the, interfering with the P53
618
0:30:14
0:30:16
and BRCA pathway.
619
0:30:16
0:30:18
And what we have here in this picture, can you see this?
620
0:30:19
0:30:20
Yeah, good.
621
0:30:20
0:30:22
So what we have here in this picture is a hearth stain
622
0:30:22
0:30:24
which shows nuclei, the blue things.
623
0:30:24
0:30:26
The blue things are nuclei.
624
0:30:26
0:30:28
The red things are the endoplasmic reticulum,
625
0:30:28
0:30:31
which is where the spike protein is manufactured.
626
0:30:31
0:30:34
And this green, let me put the annotation on,
627
0:30:34
0:30:38
the green is where the spike protein
628
0:30:38
0:30:41
is being discovered in the cell itself.
629
0:30:43
0:30:45
So you can see, there's the nucleus there.
630
0:30:45
0:30:48
The spike protein is being produced here
631
0:30:48
0:30:51
and then ejected mostly this way.
632
0:30:51
0:30:53
But what they didn't realize when they published this picture
633
0:30:53
0:30:55
is that the spike protein is also here,
634
0:30:57
0:30:58
which is in the nucleus.
635
0:30:58
0:31:01
And that's not a great surprise.
636
0:31:01
0:31:01
One way or another,
637
0:31:01
0:31:04
the spike protein is being produced in that area
638
0:31:04
0:31:07
and then is by whatever mechanism can also happen
639
0:31:07
0:31:11
with the viruses can get into the nucleus.
640
0:31:11
0:31:12
So one way or another,
641
0:31:12
0:31:16
that spike protein is going to hit the nucleus
642
0:31:16
0:31:18
if it's produced next to it.
643
0:31:18
0:31:21
So my first question to Mika was,
644
0:31:21
0:31:22
what do you think about this?
645
0:31:24
0:31:27
Wow, if you can share that information,
646
0:31:27
0:31:28
that link, I would love,
647
0:31:28
0:31:32
this is actually the first confirmation that I see.
648
0:31:32
0:31:33
It's actually a public link,
649
0:31:34
0:31:36
but I'll put it in the chat now.
650
0:31:36
0:31:38
I would absolutely love it.
651
0:31:38
0:31:40
It's the first time I see a confirmation
652
0:31:40
0:31:44
of that sweeter study, which of course was also denied
653
0:31:44
0:31:47
as controversial because indeed
654
0:31:47
0:31:48
there are other studies published
655
0:31:48
0:31:53
that were not able to show spike protein presence
656
0:31:53
0:31:55
inside the nucleus.
657
0:31:55
0:31:57
So this is the first time I see a confirmation
658
0:31:57
0:31:58
and it's different.
659
0:31:58
0:32:02
This one is Vaxel spike protein.
660
0:32:02
0:32:03
So that's also would be the first of its kind
661
0:32:03
0:32:07
that I'm seeing, which is indeed problematic.
662
0:32:07
0:32:11
And I personally hate it.
663
0:32:11
0:32:13
I wish this wasn't happening at all.
664
0:32:14
0:32:19
Now, if spike protein indeed is getting inside the nuclei
665
0:32:19
0:32:23
and interfering with fixing damage DNA,
666
0:32:24
0:32:29
then one hopes that what this will do is
667
0:32:30
0:32:34
well, it will lead to so much genetic damage in such cells
668
0:32:34
0:32:38
that it will actually lead to committing the cellular path
669
0:32:38
0:32:39
towards suicide.
670
0:32:39
0:32:41
So apoptosis.
671
0:32:41
0:32:42
So then-
672
0:32:42
0:32:43
It's totally fine.
673
0:32:44
0:32:48
But if it's not, then that's deeply problematic
674
0:32:48
0:32:53
because if those cells can then subsequently divide,
675
0:32:53
0:32:55
we will be passing on genetic mutations
676
0:32:55
0:32:58
to the next generation cells,
677
0:32:58
0:33:01
which clearly can promote cancer development.
678
0:33:03
0:33:06
Not, I will grab the link while I have it,
679
0:33:06
0:33:10
but not news that we want to be seeing at all.
680
0:33:11
0:33:13
So that paper from Jang,
681
0:33:13
0:33:15
which was the one that you talked about
682
0:33:15
0:33:18
showing the effect of the spike protein
683
0:33:18
0:33:21
on P53 in immune cells,
684
0:33:21
0:33:25
that one has now got a warning on it
685
0:33:25
0:33:29
sort of being sort of expression of concern.
686
0:33:29
0:33:30
But the interesting thing about that
687
0:33:30
0:33:32
is the person who wrote the expression of concern
688
0:33:32
0:33:34
has nothing to do with that group at all.
689
0:33:34
0:33:35
That's right.
690
0:33:35
0:33:38
The warning is about something completely unrelated
691
0:33:38
0:33:39
to the content of the video.
692
0:33:39
0:33:42
It's ridiculous, but that's how it works.
693
0:33:42
0:33:43
Censorship works, right?
694
0:33:43
0:33:44
That way.
695
0:33:44
0:33:46
It doesn't have to be relevant.
696
0:33:46
0:33:47
No, great.
697
0:33:47
0:33:50
Well, maybe we'll talk offline.
698
0:33:50
0:33:52
We do need to get some-
699
0:33:52
0:33:53
But I can-
700
0:33:53
0:33:55
Looking at that information and saying,
701
0:33:55
0:33:57
well, is this a real problem
702
0:33:57
0:34:01
or is it not a real problem from an oncology perspective?
703
0:34:01
0:34:05
Well, you're confirming that it is a potential problem
704
0:34:05
0:34:07
because however, the problem will,
705
0:34:07
0:34:09
you as yourself will know,
706
0:34:09
0:34:11
the problem is not gonna show up
707
0:34:11
0:34:13
till five years or longer from now.
708
0:34:15
0:34:19
Clinical symptoms from cancers take years to show up
709
0:34:19
0:34:20
because-
710
0:34:20
0:34:24
Well, even that genomic mechanism takes 10, 20, 30, 40 years.
711
0:34:24
0:34:28
So we know that from our BRCA patients.
712
0:34:28
0:34:30
It is an issue.
713
0:34:30
0:34:33
I also am currently reviewing
714
0:34:33
0:34:35
a paper that was brought to my attention
715
0:34:35
0:34:39
that suggests another mechanism of action
716
0:34:39
0:34:44
of how vaccines could be promoting cancer development.
717
0:34:44
0:34:46
So I haven't finished reading it,
718
0:34:46
0:34:48
but I'm quite into it.
719
0:34:48
0:34:51
And it talks about use of exosomes
720
0:34:51
0:34:56
and how cells release exosomes with post-vaccination
721
0:34:57
0:34:59
with specific microRNA.
722
0:34:59
0:35:00
So I'm not sure if you're familiar with that.
723
0:35:00
0:35:02
If you are, then I'm not sure.
724
0:35:02
0:35:05
If you are, then I'll just mention that.
725
0:35:05
0:35:06
And that might be-
726
0:35:06
0:35:08
That was the next question.
727
0:35:08
0:35:09
That was the next question,
728
0:35:09
0:35:11
which I've just put the link to in here.
729
0:35:11
0:35:15
So the next link I've just posted is this one,
730
0:35:15
0:35:19
which I'll show again, the share screen.
731
0:35:21
0:35:26
And this is a really interesting sort of subject here.
732
0:35:26
0:35:28
Just give me a second.
733
0:35:28
0:35:29
Try again.
734
0:35:34
0:35:35
So this is the paper,
735
0:35:35
0:35:38
Quantum MicroRNA Assessment of COVID-19 Vaccine,
736
0:35:38
0:35:43
Hidden Potency of BNT162V2 SARS-CoV-2 Spike RNA
737
0:35:44
0:35:46
as MicroRNA Vaccine.
739
0:35:49
0:35:52
Huh, you are a wealth of information from me, sir.
740
0:35:52
0:35:54
That's incredible.
741
0:35:54
0:35:55
A lot of people don't know.
742
0:35:56
0:35:58
And it is a bit weird for me
743
0:35:58
0:36:01
because the name of this, the Pfizer one,
744
0:36:01
0:36:04
is, I don't know if people realize it,
745
0:36:04
0:36:08
it's not spelled with an mRNA.
746
0:36:08
0:36:13
It's spelled Co-mRNA-T, which is Co-M-I-RNA.
747
0:36:14
0:36:17
Right, M-I-RNA, yeah.
748
0:36:17
0:36:20
Yeah, so it's always been a bit odd to me.
749
0:36:20
0:36:21
Where did they get these names from?
750
0:36:21
0:36:23
And I think they've got an army of people
751
0:36:23
0:36:25
who can come up with names, but-
752
0:36:26
0:36:27
If I can-
754
0:36:28
0:36:29
Oscar, yeah.
755
0:36:29
0:36:33
I just wanted to let people know what microRNAs are.
756
0:36:33
0:36:34
Maybe if that's the case, super briefly.
757
0:36:34
0:36:39
So there are many types of RNAs that are being produced.
758
0:36:39
0:36:41
So RNAs is, remember, RNA is something
759
0:36:41
0:36:44
that is copied from your DNA.
760
0:36:44
0:36:47
Now messenger RNA is just a template to produce proteins,
761
0:36:47
0:36:49
but there are many other types of RNAs
762
0:36:49
0:36:50
that are being produced.
763
0:36:50
0:36:54
And microRNAs, think of them
764
0:36:54
0:36:58
as tiny little chemicals that can modulate
765
0:36:58
0:37:01
how other things are used inside your cell.
766
0:37:01
0:37:04
And that's basically how a cell can respond
767
0:37:04
0:37:07
to the outside environment very rapidly.
768
0:37:07
0:37:10
Just like epigenetics is an environmental response,
769
0:37:10
0:37:12
so is microRNAs.
770
0:37:12
0:37:15
So these are tiny little fragments of RNA,
771
0:37:15
0:37:20
and they can impact how the messenger RNAs are being used.
772
0:37:20
0:37:23
So they can impact to what degree you use a template.
773
0:37:24
0:37:27
So you can sometimes decrease the use of template
774
0:37:28
0:37:30
if you want to as a response to the environment.
775
0:37:30
0:37:33
So the template is introduced inside the cell,
776
0:37:33
0:37:37
but then microRNAs can go in there and start affecting.
777
0:37:37
0:37:39
And they have many functions,
778
0:37:39
0:37:42
and RNAs have themselves many, many different functions.
779
0:37:42
0:37:44
So that's just like one little background.
780
0:37:44
0:37:47
Think of it as a cell's personal,
781
0:37:47
0:37:51
one of cell's many personal languages that cell uses
782
0:37:51
0:37:54
in order to determine what do I do as a cell
783
0:37:54
0:37:56
in order to survive in this environment.
784
0:37:56
0:37:58
Yeah, great summary.
785
0:37:58
0:38:01
And then microRNAs are not something
786
0:38:01
0:38:03
that we know huge amounts about,
787
0:38:03
0:38:05
because they've only been around.
788
0:38:05
0:38:06
That's right.
789
0:38:06
0:38:07
The knowledge about these things
790
0:38:07
0:38:11
has only been around for maybe 15 years or so.
791
0:38:11
0:38:11
But they're basically like-
792
0:38:11
0:38:13
They were a surprise discovery.
793
0:38:13
0:38:14
Yeah, little fragments.
794
0:38:14
0:38:15
So I don't know if you can see my picture now,
795
0:38:15
0:38:17
but little fragments of RNA.
796
0:38:17
0:38:19
I think they look like bongs,
797
0:38:19
0:38:21
those things that you smoke through.
798
0:38:21
0:38:22
But there we are.
799
0:38:22
0:38:26
They've got a little end which can interfere,
800
0:38:26
0:38:29
and then these little stalks,
801
0:38:29
0:38:32
all of which can bind to RNA,
802
0:38:32
0:38:34
a bit like transfer RNA,
803
0:38:34
0:38:36
which are the little fragments of RNA
804
0:38:36
0:38:39
which bind onto mRNA to create your protein.
805
0:38:39
0:38:40
So they're shaped a bit like that.
806
0:38:40
0:38:41
And for the same reason,
807
0:38:41
0:38:44
they can interfere with the function of RNA
808
0:38:44
0:38:47
so they can increase it or they can decrease it.
809
0:38:47
0:38:50
And not much is known about them.
810
0:38:50
0:38:53
There's a handful of microRNAs
811
0:38:53
0:38:58
that we know have been linked into cancer progression
812
0:38:58
0:38:59
or regression.
813
0:38:59
0:39:03
So there are therapeutics being made or designed
814
0:39:03
0:39:08
for as cancer therapeutics,
815
0:39:08
0:39:10
which include microRNAs.
816
0:39:10
0:39:11
But as we all know,
817
0:39:11
0:39:13
most of the people sitting in this room, I guess,
818
0:39:13
0:39:16
will know that when you interfere
819
0:39:16
0:39:18
with any process in the human body,
820
0:39:18
0:39:20
you have to be sure that you're not getting
821
0:39:20
0:39:22
a knock-on effect on the other end,
822
0:39:22
0:39:25
which makes your therapeutic do exactly the opposite
823
0:39:25
0:39:26
of what you intended.
824
0:39:26
0:39:29
And I think we're all seeing those things happen, aren't we?
825
0:39:31
0:39:34
So I just wondered whether you had any handle
826
0:39:34
0:39:39
on the microRNA situation with the spike gene
827
0:39:40
0:39:43
or the mRNA version of the gene,
828
0:39:43
0:39:45
and I think you've answered that question.
829
0:39:45
0:39:46
So I think that's something we need to,
830
0:39:46
0:39:50
maybe we need to look at offline,
831
0:39:50
0:39:53
but it's certainly a possibility, isn't it?
832
0:39:53
0:39:55
Definitely. Give me some time.
833
0:39:55
0:39:57
I would love to read that paper
834
0:39:57
0:40:00
that you just provided the link to.
835
0:40:00
0:40:03
And as I was mentioning, a review just got published,
836
0:40:03
0:40:05
which talks about that as well.
837
0:40:05
0:40:08
There might be actually referencing that paper as well.
838
0:40:08
0:40:11
So it would be great to collage that knowledge
839
0:40:11
0:40:14
so that we can have a more appropriate,
840
0:40:14
0:40:16
deeper discussion on a molecular level.
841
0:40:16
0:40:18
So absolutely.
842
0:40:20
0:40:23
Of course, that's not what I want to be seeing.
843
0:40:23
0:40:26
Why? Because majority of our public is vaccinated.
844
0:40:26
0:40:30
We don't want to be seeing our population getting sicker
845
0:40:30
0:40:34
as an unintended consequence of this program.
846
0:40:34
0:40:38
And as you mentioned, when you introduce therapy,
847
0:40:38
0:40:40
you better know every aspect of it
848
0:40:40
0:40:43
because there can be surprise unintended consequences,
849
0:40:43
0:40:45
which is why clinical trials take years
850
0:40:45
0:40:48
before therapeutic is allowed to come to the market.
851
0:40:50
0:40:52
So that was two bits of four.
852
0:40:52
0:40:53
We're nearly there.
853
0:40:53
0:40:54
The next...
854
0:40:56
0:40:58
Guys, is this all right stuff?
855
0:40:58
0:40:59
Are we okay to carry on?
856
0:40:59
0:41:01
Yes, absolutely, Sam.
857
0:41:01
0:41:05
Sam, this is good because Nikolai was here for us.
858
0:41:05
0:41:07
And so with your knowledge,
859
0:41:07
0:41:10
all of the rest of us can learn from this.
860
0:41:10
0:41:12
And Nikolai, can you look at the chat
861
0:41:12
0:41:15
because there's some questions that might be relevant
862
0:41:15
0:41:16
as Sam is raising his stuff
863
0:41:18
0:41:20
in terms of Anna asked a question.
864
0:41:20
0:41:23
So you can be the judge of that,
865
0:41:23
0:41:25
but Sam, go on to your next.
866
0:41:25
0:41:28
I can answer Anna's question as an oncologist.
867
0:41:31
0:41:33
From what we are aware,
868
0:41:33
0:41:37
I should be able to take a chunk of somebody's cancer,
869
0:41:37
0:41:39
rub it all over me, put it in my mouth,
870
0:41:40
0:41:41
and nothing will happen to me.
871
0:41:41
0:41:43
And the reason for that is that you've got
872
0:41:43
0:41:46
different MHC proteins.
873
0:41:46
0:41:49
And so our body will just reject it completely
874
0:41:49
0:41:52
in the same way that a transplant will be rejected
875
0:41:52
0:41:55
unless it's a specific type.
876
0:41:55
0:41:58
So you could in theory get a cancer
877
0:41:58
0:42:01
from a very close relative with the same MHC,
878
0:42:01
0:42:03
but it's gonna be very, very unlikely.
879
0:42:03
0:42:06
So you can't get cancer from somebody else's cancer.
880
0:42:06
0:42:10
Otherwise, as oncologists would be
881
0:42:10
0:42:11
out of the game very quickly.
883
0:42:16
0:42:18
You wanna go for the second one from Tom?
885
0:42:25
0:42:27
How many of these mRNA templates are in there?
886
0:42:27
0:42:30
Billions, literally billions.
887
0:42:30
0:42:31
Billions.
888
0:42:31
0:42:35
And the reason why is because the amount
889
0:42:35
0:42:39
that is normally when we are informed,
890
0:42:39
0:42:41
we're talking about, I believe this is from memory,
891
0:42:41
0:42:43
so I might have this reverse.
892
0:42:43
0:42:47
One of the mRNA vaccines is 30 micrograms of mRNA
893
0:42:47
0:42:49
and the other one is 100 micrograms.
894
0:42:49
0:42:54
Now, when it comes to one microgram of genetic content,
895
0:42:54
0:42:56
we are now talking about billions,
896
0:42:56
0:43:00
maybe even trillions of molecules, individual molecules.
897
0:43:00
0:43:04
So the amount is absolutely enormous.
898
0:43:04
0:43:05
I didn't do the calculations.
899
0:43:05
0:43:08
I could in theory, I could measure the molecular weight
900
0:43:08
0:43:13
of the mRNA and we could translate it based
901
0:43:13
0:43:17
on Avogadro's number to see what one microgram has
902
0:43:17
0:43:21
in terms of the amount of mRNAs, but it will be in billions.
903
0:43:21
0:43:22
It's a really, really large amount.
904
0:43:22
0:43:25
So I hope that answers Tom's question.
905
0:43:25
0:43:28
So is that in each nano lipid,
906
0:43:28
0:43:33
like how many are per nano lipid particle?
907
0:43:33
0:43:36
Is it one to one or is it many to one?
908
0:43:38
0:43:41
I do not know, but I would imagine no,
909
0:43:41
0:43:44
that it would not be one molecule mRNA
910
0:43:44
0:43:47
inside that one little vehicle.
911
0:43:47
0:43:50
I would imagine there'll be plenty.
912
0:43:51
0:43:55
I could be wrong about that, but I, as far as I understand,
913
0:43:55
0:43:57
within the little vehicle,
914
0:43:57
0:44:00
it's encapsulated with other lipids
915
0:44:00
0:44:04
and there should be a plethora of them in each vehicle,
916
0:44:04
0:44:06
but I actually don't know for sure.
917
0:44:06
0:44:09
So this is speculative answer on my part.
919
0:44:10
0:44:12
Bear in mind now that you've,
920
0:44:12
0:44:15
Mikhail, I can refute this all not,
921
0:44:15
0:44:19
but I think you have a dawning.
922
0:44:20
0:44:21
A lot of people don't realize
923
0:44:21
0:44:25
that the lipid nanoparticles are used
924
0:44:25
0:44:29
and actually declared to be used in a specific way.
925
0:44:29
0:44:32
And we know it in the lab as transfection,
926
0:44:32
0:44:33
lipid transfection.
927
0:44:33
0:44:35
So lipid transfection is a mechanism.
928
0:44:35
0:44:37
So a normal cell can't get,
929
0:44:37
0:44:40
won't allow RNA, exogenous RNA into itself.
930
0:44:40
0:44:41
You have to push it in.
931
0:44:41
0:44:45
And in the lab, we do that with sometimes electricity,
932
0:44:45
0:44:47
so electroporation,
933
0:44:48
0:44:50
but other mechanisms of getting RNA into the cell
934
0:44:50
0:44:53
include chemicals.
935
0:44:53
0:44:56
And the most commonly used one is a lipid-based one
936
0:44:56
0:44:57
called lipofectamine,
937
0:44:57
0:44:59
or maybe they've advanced since then.
938
0:44:59
0:45:00
Mikhail, I don't know.
939
0:45:00
0:45:05
But lipofectamine 2000 and 3000, the trade names,
940
0:45:05
0:45:07
and they are pretty much the same
941
0:45:07
0:45:09
as the lipid nanoparticles.
942
0:45:09
0:45:12
So when you're getting a lipid nanoparticle with RNA,
943
0:45:12
0:45:14
that's basically a transfection reagent.
944
0:45:14
0:45:16
You're getting your cells transfected.
945
0:45:16
0:45:19
And that's the actual intention,
946
0:45:19
0:45:22
the declared intention of the mechanism of action.
947
0:45:22
0:45:24
So it's transfection of your cells
948
0:45:24
0:45:27
with an exogenous RNA or DNA.
949
0:45:27
0:45:31
Now the AstraZeneca and the J&J work in a different way.
950
0:45:31
0:45:36
They use a vector, another virus vector
951
0:45:36
0:45:38
to get that information into your cells.
952
0:45:38
0:45:40
But in the absence of that viral vector,
953
0:45:40
0:45:42
which is what the AZ uses,
954
0:45:43
0:45:46
the only mechanism to get RNA into your cells
955
0:45:46
0:45:49
is to use a transfectant.
956
0:45:49
0:45:51
And the lipid nanoparticle is not only a vehicle
957
0:45:51
0:45:54
to move the RNA around the body,
958
0:45:55
0:45:56
but the actual intention of it is to act
959
0:45:56
0:45:59
as a transfectant medium,
960
0:45:59
0:46:01
which is to push that RNA into your cells.
961
0:46:03
0:46:04
Correct.
962
0:46:04
0:46:08
And this, what has been one of the major stumbling blocks
963
0:46:08
0:46:10
in the development of the RNA vaccines
964
0:46:10
0:46:13
is to be able to properly create that vehicle
965
0:46:13
0:46:16
that would be able to enter the cell.
966
0:46:16
0:46:18
And they've done some phenomenal work
967
0:46:18
0:46:21
to be able to figure that out.
968
0:46:21
0:46:24
One of the major contributing factors
969
0:46:24
0:46:28
that helps these vehicles is the charge.
970
0:46:28
0:46:33
So the lipids that are made for the encapsulation
971
0:46:33
0:46:37
that holds the mRNA, those are synthetic lipids.
972
0:46:37
0:46:40
The majority of them do not show up in nature at all.
973
0:46:40
0:46:42
They don't exist in nature.
974
0:46:42
0:46:44
So they are specifically created
975
0:46:44
0:46:47
in order to be able to fool our cells
976
0:46:47
0:46:49
in order to be able to start interacting.
977
0:46:49
0:46:50
And it's based on charge.
978
0:46:51
0:46:56
So these are positively charged lipids.
979
0:46:56
0:46:58
And most of our cell membranes on the outside
980
0:46:58
0:47:00
are negatively charged.
981
0:47:00
0:47:02
Just for sake of simplicity,
982
0:47:02
0:47:05
just think of everything in nature
983
0:47:05
0:47:07
has a charge attached to it.
984
0:47:07
0:47:09
For sake of simplicity, you can think of it that way.
985
0:47:09
0:47:12
Everything in nature is regulated by two things.
986
0:47:12
0:47:14
Three-dimensional shape is one,
987
0:47:14
0:47:16
and it's electric charge is the second.
988
0:47:16
0:47:19
And that basically, as far as my scientific understanding
989
0:47:19
0:47:23
governs absolutely everything in biology.
990
0:47:23
0:47:26
So then these lipid molecules are negatively charged,
991
0:47:26
0:47:28
positive versus, sorry, positively charged
992
0:47:28
0:47:31
versus outside of the cells, negatively charged.
993
0:47:31
0:47:34
And that allows them to come into contact
994
0:47:34
0:47:36
and start the fusion process.
995
0:47:37
0:47:40
But that's not my area of expertise.
996
0:47:40
0:47:42
I've only studied a little bit.
997
0:47:42
0:47:44
I'm much more focused on what happens
998
0:47:44
0:47:48
molecularly post-vaccination.
999
0:47:48
0:47:50
There's another question from Lisa.
1000
0:47:52
0:47:54
How long do these spike proteins stay in a body?
1001
0:47:54
0:47:57
That's one of unanswered questions.
1002
0:47:57
0:47:59
There's only two publications that I've seen.
1003
0:47:59
0:48:04
One was that macrophages, which is one of your immune cells,
1004
0:48:04
0:48:07
they can actually hold spike protein
1005
0:48:07
0:48:10
for longer than a year.
1006
0:48:11
0:48:12
That's one paper I saw.
1007
0:48:12
0:48:15
And the other one I covered in one of my videos,
1008
0:48:15
0:48:18
number 16, if you wanna keep track of that.
1009
0:48:18
0:48:20
It talks about exosomes.
1010
0:48:20
0:48:24
And they found that the length of exosomes
1011
0:48:24
0:48:28
in post-vaccination with a spike protein embedded.
1012
0:48:28
0:48:31
Exosomes is another little fat molecule
1013
0:48:31
0:48:34
similar to what is used in vaccine.
1014
0:48:34
0:48:36
And with a spike protein embedded in those exosomes,
1015
0:48:36
0:48:38
they last up to four months,
1016
0:48:38
0:48:41
at least for the entire duration of...
1017
0:48:41
0:48:43
Oh, sorry, I have a phone call coming in.
1018
0:48:44
0:48:48
I just need to inform them so they don't call back.
1019
0:48:51
0:48:51
Thanks.
1020
0:48:51
0:48:53
So we don't fully know yet,
1021
0:48:53
0:48:56
but we're looking at four years in terms of exosomes,
1022
0:48:56
0:48:58
four months in terms of exosomes,
1023
0:48:58
0:49:02
and in terms of macrophages holding it in their compartments.
1024
0:49:02
0:49:06
16 months was the longest time that I've seen.
1025
0:49:06
0:49:10
And it's a shame that it's not studied in more detail.
1026
0:49:11
0:49:13
Sorry, sorry, Sam.
1027
0:49:14
0:49:16
I'm very good at getting rid of toxins.
1028
0:49:19
0:49:20
Okay, good.
1029
0:49:22
0:49:23
So just the next question now
1030
0:49:23
0:49:25
relates to the untranslated region,
1031
0:49:25
0:49:28
which is what David Wiseman was talking about.
1032
0:49:28
0:49:33
And this is the World Health Organization,
1033
0:49:37
0:49:39
our favorite people,
1034
0:49:39
0:49:42
who document that David held up.
1035
0:49:42
0:49:45
And this is the sequence of the fires.
1036
0:49:45
0:49:47
There's another sequence for Moderna,
1037
0:49:47
0:49:49
they are eventually in the public domain,
1038
0:49:49
0:49:51
but by circuitous routes,
1039
0:49:51
0:49:52
which I won't touch on here.
1040
0:49:53
0:49:58
This is how the RNAs is organized,
1041
0:49:58
0:50:01
any RNA is organized in this fashion.
1042
0:50:01
0:50:03
And we have a cap.
1043
0:50:04
0:50:06
And the RNA is read from the five prime ends
1044
0:50:06
0:50:07
to the three prime ends.
1045
0:50:07
0:50:10
So when you hear these nomenclatures,
1046
0:50:10
0:50:11
that's what he's talking about.
1047
0:50:12
0:50:15
And the UTR is supposedly the untranslated region.
1048
0:50:16
0:50:18
So that's the bit that doesn't get translated into protein,
1049
0:50:18
0:50:22
but it does have relevance in terms of what happens
1050
0:50:22
0:50:26
and the relevance is these ends.
1051
0:50:26
0:50:29
And again, Mika, correct me if you think I'm wrong,
1052
0:50:29
0:50:33
but these ends in terms of RNA therapies
1053
0:50:33
0:50:36
act as a kind of biological adjuvant.
1054
0:50:36
0:50:38
You'll know that there's no adjuvant
1055
0:50:38
0:50:40
as such in the mRNA vaccines.
1056
0:50:40
0:50:44
All the more traditional vaccines have an adjuvant
1057
0:50:44
0:50:46
to make the body react more efficiently
1058
0:50:46
0:50:49
against the thing that you're trying to induce.
1059
0:50:49
0:50:53
And I'm just, vaccines do, some vaccines do work,
1060
0:50:53
0:50:57
so it is a mechanism that's tried and tested.
1061
0:50:57
0:50:58
But this is different.
1062
0:50:58
0:51:02
So what we do here is we use different ends,
1063
0:51:02
0:51:04
three primes and five prime ends
1064
0:51:04
0:51:06
to produce a different amount of protein.
1065
0:51:06
0:51:07
The protein that we're producing
1066
0:51:07
0:51:10
is the bit from the gene sequence in the middle.
1067
0:51:11
0:51:14
The five prime untranslated regions for these,
1068
0:51:14
0:51:17
they're all using alpha globin,
1069
0:51:17
0:51:19
which is a gene of hemoglobin,
1070
0:51:19
0:51:22
and that's predominantly produced in the liver,
1071
0:51:22
0:51:26
which might explain some instances of hepatitis.
1072
0:51:26
0:51:28
The three prime, the other end of this,
1073
0:51:28
0:51:30
the three prime untranslated region,
1074
0:51:30
0:51:32
this gets really interesting.
1075
0:51:33
0:51:37
Because it was described back at the time
1076
0:51:37
0:51:41
as to what it is, and it's very unusual
1077
0:51:41
0:51:44
because the Moderna one uses the other half
1078
0:51:44
0:51:46
of the alpha globin gene.
1079
0:51:46
0:51:49
It's been a well-known three prime,
1080
0:51:49
0:51:53
has been used for a number of years in various experiments.
1081
0:51:53
0:51:57
I don't think it's ever been used in a vaccine.
1082
0:51:58
0:52:01
But this three prime here, I don't know if you can read this,
1083
0:52:01
0:52:03
but it says, I'll read it now,
1084
0:52:03
0:52:04
the three prime untranslated region
1085
0:52:04
0:52:06
comprises two sequence elements derived
1086
0:52:06
0:52:10
from the amino terminate enhancer of split, AES,
1087
0:52:10
0:52:14
and the mitochondrial encoded 12S ribosomal RNA
1088
0:52:14
0:52:17
to confer RNA stability and high total expression.
1089
0:52:18
0:52:19
So what this actually is,
1090
0:52:19
0:52:22
this amino terminal enhancer of split
1091
0:52:22
0:52:25
is another one of these tumor suppressor proteins.
1092
0:52:25
0:52:30
So whereas we were talking about ovarian cancer before,
1093
0:52:30
0:52:34
AES pathways are involved in endometrial and colon cancers.
1094
0:52:35
0:52:37
And the other name for this,
1095
0:52:38
0:52:41
this is a very, it's a difficult name to remember.
1096
0:52:41
0:52:43
So the other much easier name to remember
1097
0:52:43
0:52:45
for this protein is Groucho.
1098
0:52:45
0:52:47
So this is the Groucho pathway.
1099
0:52:48
0:52:53
And that bit of the gene is taken from that gene,
1100
0:52:53
0:52:56
the Groucho gene, and it's human RNA.
1101
0:52:56
0:52:59
It's not a mouse RNA or anything else
1102
0:52:59
0:53:01
that won't necessarily react with the human body,
1103
0:53:01
0:53:03
it's human RNA.
1104
0:53:03
0:53:05
And the other bit of that is mitochondrial RNA,
1105
0:53:05
0:53:08
so the 12S ribosome from mitochondria.
1106
0:53:08
0:53:12
So we're using, and we can do what we call
1107
0:53:12
0:53:14
a BLAST comparison.
1108
0:53:14
0:53:19
So if I go to BLAST online and see,
1109
0:53:20
0:53:22
well, what is the sequence of this
1110
0:53:22
0:53:25
and how does this compare to human RNA?
1111
0:53:25
0:53:28
And as long as you can see this, hopefully,
1112
0:53:28
0:53:31
this is a, these are both perfect matches
1113
0:53:31
0:53:33
for the described sequences.
1114
0:53:33
0:53:37
So what they've described is exactly what they've described.
1115
0:53:37
0:53:41
And this first one is another name for Groucho,
1116
0:53:41
0:53:45
and this one is the mitochondrial RNA.
1117
0:53:46
0:53:49
So the question I've got for you, Miko,
1118
0:53:49
0:53:52
is what do you think about, oh, sorry, let me just,
1119
0:53:52
0:53:54
the rest of the story comes here,
1120
0:53:54
0:53:56
which is really the clincher,
1121
0:53:56
0:54:00
and I shouldn't let you down by finishing early.
1122
0:54:00
0:54:04
The reason this was chosen was in this paper here,
1123
0:54:04
0:54:09
which is by Hugo Sahin, who is the head of BioNTech.
1124
0:54:12
0:54:17
And I'll just time that, this is this one, okay?
1125
0:54:18
0:54:23
And the reason it was chosen was published here in 2019.
1126
0:54:26
0:54:31
Sorry, I'll stop sharing and reshare.
1127
0:54:36
0:54:41
And with that paper, which was published in 2019,
1128
0:54:43
0:54:46
now working, molecular therapy,
1129
0:54:46
0:54:48
on 27 April 2019.
1130
0:54:50
0:54:50
That paper is called,
1131
0:54:50
0:54:53
Improving mRNA-Based Therapy to Gene Delivery
1132
0:54:53
0:54:55
by Expression-Augmenting 3-Prime UTRs
1133
0:54:55
0:54:58
Identified by Cellular Library Screening.
1134
0:54:58
0:55:01
And what that means is that they used a whole panel
1135
0:55:01
0:55:05
of different 3-prime UTRs and translated regions
1136
0:55:05
0:55:09
attached to an RNA to see which would produce
1137
0:55:09
0:55:14
the most protein and the most effect in the spleen.
1138
0:55:14
0:55:15
So it was specifically designed to see
1139
0:55:15
0:55:18
which was going to be taken up the most by the spleen
1140
0:55:18
0:55:23
and produce the most immune response, and this was in mice.
1141
0:55:23
0:55:28
So this was done 2019 for the first time in mice.
1142
0:55:28
0:55:30
Let's see if we can find any mice on here.
1143
0:55:30
0:55:32
Mice are lovely creatures, we love mice.
1144
0:55:34
0:55:36
There we go, there are the mice.
1145
0:55:36
0:55:39
And you can see from this, hopefully,
1146
0:55:39
0:55:42
that they were all taken up in the spleen.
1147
0:55:42
0:55:45
And that was the untranslated region
1148
0:55:45
0:55:48
that was chosen for the next vaccine candidate,
1149
0:55:48
0:55:51
and that was in 2019.
1150
0:55:51
0:55:54
So this particular untranslated region
1151
0:55:54
0:55:59
has never been used before this rollout.
1152
0:55:59
0:56:01
And the question I've got for Mika is,
1153
0:56:01
0:56:03
what do you think about the consequences
1154
0:56:03
0:56:08
of using human RNA in the 3-prime untranslated region
1155
0:56:09
0:56:10
in this way?
1156
0:56:10
0:56:12
Do you think there could be consequences?
1157
0:56:12
0:56:15
Do you think it's a good thing, not a good thing?
1158
0:56:15
0:56:19
Robert Malone was dismissing this last week as an issue,
1159
0:56:19
0:56:20
and I don't quite know why,
1160
0:56:21
0:56:22
because it's so new.
1161
0:56:23
0:56:24
So I'll hand that over.
1162
0:56:24
0:56:26
One of the reasons why is because
1163
0:56:27
0:56:31
I think it's not yet fully even understood
1164
0:56:31
0:56:35
as to how they work and what their true purpose is.
1165
0:56:35
0:56:38
Yes, that's right, we know it is involved
1166
0:56:38
0:56:43
in affecting how much a given product is made,
1167
0:56:44
0:56:49
but really how it works is not even yet understood, I thought.
1168
0:56:49
0:56:52
So I haven't studied that information in that detail,
1169
0:56:52
0:56:54
that's just simply my general answer,
1170
0:56:54
0:56:55
so I wouldn't be able to answer
1171
0:56:55
0:56:59
your complex question, to be honest.
1172
0:56:59
0:57:02
I will add though that my understanding is that
1173
0:57:02
0:57:06
you're mentioning lack of adjuvant in these vaccines.
1174
0:57:06
0:57:08
That's because the vaccine itself,
1175
0:57:08
0:57:13
the charge apparently itself of those lipid vehicles
1176
0:57:14
0:57:15
is an adjuvant in itself.
1177
0:57:15
0:57:20
It stimulates the immune system in its own right.
1178
0:57:20
0:57:22
So maybe that's why they're skipping
1179
0:57:22
0:57:25
the typical traditional adjuvants
1180
0:57:25
0:57:26
that are being added to vaccines.
1181
0:57:27
0:57:29
But I wouldn't be able to answer,
1182
0:57:29
0:57:33
that's too complicated for me to be able to go there,
1183
0:57:33
0:57:37
because I haven't really studied RNAs in that complex detail,
1184
0:57:37
0:57:40
and one of the reasons was also because it still
1185
0:57:40
0:57:42
carries certain mystery behind it.
1186
0:57:43
0:57:46
And that's the point that David Wiseman was making,
1187
0:57:46
0:57:51
look, I've got a PhD, you're currently employed,
1188
0:57:52
0:57:54
you're currently active in the field of genomics,
1189
0:57:54
0:57:57
and we can't answer this question.
1190
0:57:57
0:57:59
So if we can't answer this question,
1191
0:57:59
0:58:00
then how can Robert Malone answer the question,
1192
0:58:00
0:58:04
and how can the FDA, who's not used to dealing
1193
0:58:04
0:58:08
with genetic genomic therapies, answer the question,
1194
0:58:08
0:58:10
and how can the MHRA answer the question?
1195
0:58:10
0:58:12
That's what they can't answer.
1196
0:58:12
0:58:15
Sam, what did Robert Malone say?
1197
0:58:17
0:58:20
I've actually got a video, but he basically,
1198
0:58:20
0:58:21
he overtaught on David Wiseman,
1199
0:58:21
0:58:24
who was discussing this issue,
1200
0:58:24
0:58:26
and then later on, he at the end of,
1201
0:58:26
0:58:30
so if you see the five hour thing at the end of the hearing,
1202
0:58:30
0:58:33
he says, oh, well, I know about the three prime issue,
1203
0:58:33
0:58:37
but I'm not worried about it, which is really dismissive.
1204
0:58:37
0:58:39
And the reason, I think it was completely-
1205
0:58:39
0:58:42
Why didn't somebody ask him about the animal studies then?
1206
0:58:42
0:58:47
Well, I think in Malone's time, he, as I say,
1207
0:58:47
0:58:48
the alpha globin and the alpha globin
1208
0:58:48
0:58:51
and translated regions have been used for a long time,
1209
0:58:51
0:58:54
so that is a bit more well-known,
1210
0:58:54
0:58:57
even though it hasn't been rolled out into large trials.
1211
0:58:57
0:59:01
So bear in mind, the vaccine therapy,
1212
0:59:01
0:59:05
and as I said, the vaccine therapy idea for cancers is great,
1213
0:59:05
0:59:07
but the risk-benefit ratio is completely different.
1214
0:59:07
0:59:09
The reason that we're trying to develop
1215
0:59:09
0:59:12
cancer vaccine therapy is because at the moment,
1216
0:59:12
0:59:15
the alternative is the person dies.
1217
0:59:17
0:59:20
So if we've got no chemotherapy agents that are effective,
1218
0:59:20
0:59:21
the person dies.
1219
0:59:21
0:59:25
So the risk-benefit ratio there is we give you something
1220
0:59:25
0:59:27
that may affect you in 10 years' time.
1221
0:59:27
0:59:28
It's no problem.
1222
0:59:28
0:59:29
Thanks, give it to me, please,
1223
0:59:29
0:59:31
because I'm gonna die in the next year.
1224
0:59:31
0:59:34
So that's a completely different situation.
1225
0:59:35
0:59:37
Where it comes to a preventative therapy,
1226
0:59:38
0:59:43
we're talking about 1,000 times less risk
1227
0:59:43
0:59:44
of the actual disease.
1228
0:59:46
0:59:47
So it's a completely different ballgame.
1229
0:59:47
0:59:49
So when they've rolled out vaccine therapies
1230
0:59:49
0:59:50
for cancer in the past,
1231
0:59:50
0:59:53
there've been a small phase one trials
1232
0:59:53
0:59:54
of small numbers of people,
1233
0:59:54
0:59:57
and we won't see the effect of the
1234
0:59:57
1:00:00
untranslated regions problem if there is one,
1235
1:00:00
1:00:02
and we don't know if there is,
1236
1:00:02
1:00:04
within the noise of those treatments,
1237
1:00:04
1:00:08
because there's a 20 to 70% death rate
1238
1:00:08
1:00:10
in the people that you're treating
1239
1:00:10
1:00:12
from the disease that you're treating them for.
1240
1:00:12
1:00:13
So it's a completely different ballgame
1241
1:00:13
1:00:15
when it comes to clinical trials.
1242
1:00:16
1:00:19
Somebody asked me for the paper.
1243
1:00:19
1:00:23
The mouse paper is actually online in molecular therapy.
1244
1:00:23
1:00:27
I'll look for the link while I'm asking the last questions,
1245
1:00:27
1:00:28
the last bits of it.
1246
1:00:28
1:00:31
You'll be pleased to know for those
1247
1:00:31
1:00:32
that don't like these conversations.
1248
1:00:32
1:00:35
The last one is, I don't know if you've seen,
1249
1:00:35
1:00:39
we've been discussing read through of the stop codons.
1250
1:00:39
1:00:43
So when they're used in the mRNA therapies,
1251
1:00:43
1:00:46
they've used pseudouridin instead of uracil,
1252
1:00:46
1:00:49
which is the traditional component of RNA.
1253
1:00:49
1:00:52
And there are a number of papers floating around,
1254
1:00:52
1:00:53
which I can refer to.
1255
1:00:53
1:00:56
I'll post in the link in a second.
1256
1:00:56
1:01:00
But one in the main one in nature from Carrie Jovich,
1257
1:01:00
1:01:02
I think, probably another poll.
1258
1:01:03
1:01:07
Who, and by the way, my mother's Polish, so.
1259
1:01:08
1:01:13
So who published that if you use pseudouridin
1260
1:01:14
1:01:17
in your RNA, your stop codons don't work.
1261
1:01:19
1:01:22
So you have this mRNA sequence
1262
1:01:22
1:01:23
and you have the stop codon.
1263
1:01:23
1:01:28
We should stop the translation of the mRNA into the protein.
1264
1:01:28
1:01:30
So it should give you those amino acids
1265
1:01:30
1:01:32
that you're looking for.
1266
1:01:32
1:01:35
But instead of doing that, they don't work.
1267
1:01:35
1:01:37
So therefore the mRNA keeps reading,
1268
1:01:37
1:01:39
the ribosome keeps reading,
1269
1:01:39
1:01:41
in which case what you will get is a protein
1270
1:01:41
1:01:44
which includes your graft or protein fragments
1271
1:01:44
1:01:47
and your mitochondrial ribosomal fragments.
1272
1:01:47
1:01:48
And that could be a problem
1273
1:01:48
1:01:50
if the body reacts to it, I guess.
1274
1:01:50
1:01:53
Wow, okay, that I didn't know.
1275
1:01:53
1:01:54
I'll give you the paper that's here.
1276
1:01:54
1:01:57
Yeah, that is interesting because then you,
1277
1:01:57
1:01:58
just like you said,
1278
1:01:58
1:02:02
you'd be producing some form of a chimera,
1279
1:02:02
1:02:03
but at the same time,
1280
1:02:03
1:02:08
you most likely would introduce a stop codon by accident,
1281
1:02:11
1:02:15
just because of the redundancy of genetic information.
1282
1:02:15
1:02:18
But yeah, you'd be producing some sort of a chimera.
1283
1:02:18
1:02:21
One would have to run it, well, check the sequence
1284
1:02:21
1:02:24
to see if you were to read through,
1285
1:02:24
1:02:29
is there accidental stop codon in that five UTR region?
1286
1:02:29
1:02:34
Yeah, well, the problem is that all the nucleotides
1287
1:02:34
1:02:39
coding to the stop codon don't work, all of them, all three.
1288
1:02:39
1:02:41
Oh, I see, I see, that's right.
1289
1:02:41
1:02:44
So even if you introduce a new one,
1290
1:02:44
1:02:47
okay, yeah, right, then you'd still be reading through.
1291
1:02:47
1:02:50
Well, then you're producing a spike protein
1292
1:02:50
1:02:55
that would have on its terminus,
1293
1:02:55
1:02:56
another protein attached to it,
1294
1:02:57
1:03:00
fragment of a protein, very bizarre.
1295
1:03:01
1:03:05
Okay, that's new to me, so that's fascinating.
1296
1:03:05
1:03:08
So Sam and Mikhail, for that matter,
1297
1:03:09
1:03:12
is there evidence, do you think there's enough evidence
1298
1:03:12
1:03:14
of intent to cause harm here?
1299
1:03:14
1:03:16
Because there were no animal studies
1300
1:03:16
1:03:21
prior to the rollouts of the vaccination
1301
1:03:21
1:03:23
in inverted commas in the UK,
1302
1:03:23
1:03:26
on the 8th of December, 2020, I think it was,
1303
1:03:26
1:03:29
or it could have been the 7th of December.
1304
1:03:29
1:03:33
There were no animal studies, all the ferrets died.
1305
1:03:33
1:03:36
I was told yesterday that there were mice studies
1306
1:03:36
1:03:40
and chicken studies, is that correct?
1307
1:03:40
1:03:44
Prior, all the animals died.
1308
1:03:44
1:03:46
No, I think that is definitely,
1309
1:03:46
1:03:48
I think that's a misinformation,
1310
1:03:48
1:03:50
which is a combination of information.
1311
1:03:50
1:03:53
So that the ferrets and cats that died
1312
1:03:54
1:03:57
were in previous coronavirus vaccine studies.
1313
1:03:57
1:03:59
So that's a different issue,
1314
1:03:59
1:04:01
which is using more traditional technology.
1315
1:04:01
1:04:02
And it is part of the reason
1316
1:04:02
1:04:04
for justifying the mRNA approach,
1317
1:04:04
1:04:06
because in the previous approaches
1318
1:04:06
1:04:09
to coronavirus vaccine studies in animals,
1319
1:04:09
1:04:13
particularly for pets, veterinary studies,
1320
1:04:13
1:04:16
the animals did not do very well in those studies.
1321
1:04:16
1:04:19
So you've got ferrets and cats.
1322
1:04:19
1:04:21
Are we talking about the mRNA now?
1323
1:04:21
1:04:23
No, no, no, definitely not, definitely not mRNA.
1324
1:04:23
1:04:28
So mRNA studies, as I've said to you,
1325
1:04:28
1:04:31
and in fact, if you can give me a second,
1326
1:04:31
1:04:34
I should be able to post the link,
1327
1:04:34
1:04:36
I'll do it in a minute.
1328
1:04:36
1:04:39
The one that I showed you was from 2019.
1329
1:04:39
1:04:41
The point of that animal study,
1330
1:04:41
1:04:43
the mice study that you saw there,
1331
1:04:43
1:04:46
that was the first time that they used
1332
1:04:46
1:04:48
that three prime untranslated region
1333
1:04:48
1:04:51
in any RNA candidate therapy.
1334
1:04:51
1:04:54
So it was an experimental candidate,
1335
1:04:54
1:04:56
that was the first time they used it.
1336
1:04:56
1:05:00
So there was no time then to do animal studies
1337
1:05:00
1:05:04
with that candidate, with animal studies,
1338
1:05:04
1:05:07
with a long-term follow-up, say in monkeys or whatever.
1339
1:05:07
1:05:09
That just cannot have happened.
1340
1:05:09
1:05:11
You can do mice, mice, mice.
1341
1:05:12
1:05:12
I do like mice.
1342
1:05:14
1:05:16
Mice live a couple of years.
1343
1:05:17
1:05:19
If you don't have a mouse,
1344
1:05:19
1:05:21
you should get on there, mice are creatures.
1345
1:05:21
1:05:23
Mice live a couple of years.
1346
1:05:23
1:05:26
So in order to see a long-term follow-up on a mouse study,
1347
1:05:26
1:05:29
you'd have to do older age mice.
1348
1:05:29
1:05:31
And they're not that easy to get a hold of.
1349
1:05:31
1:05:36
Most of the mice you get in the labs, young mice,
1350
1:05:36
1:05:39
a lot of them are nude mice, which is what we use a lot.
1351
1:05:39
1:05:42
And they last a few weeks and then they're terminated.
1352
1:05:42
1:05:45
And the pregnancy turnover is quite fast.
1353
1:05:45
1:05:48
So they can do pregnancy studies
1354
1:05:48
1:05:50
in a matter of weeks or months.
1355
1:05:50
1:05:52
But what they can't do in the pregnancy studies
1356
1:05:52
1:05:53
in a matter of weeks or months
1357
1:05:53
1:05:55
is look at the off-screen long-term.
1358
1:05:55
1:06:00
So in the study that was actually published on the,
1359
1:06:01
1:06:03
if you go into the TGA's Freedom of Information section,
1360
1:06:03
1:06:06
you'll see some of these studies
1361
1:06:06
1:06:08
because they were requested.
1362
1:06:08
1:06:09
And so in those studies,
1363
1:06:09
1:06:11
you'll see that what they did was,
1364
1:06:11
1:06:14
for the pregnancy study for the BioNTech,
1365
1:06:14
1:06:17
what they did was they looked at 22 mice.
1366
1:06:18
1:06:21
Then at the end of the deliveries of the 22 mice,
1367
1:06:21
1:06:23
they had so many pups, et cetera,
1368
1:06:23
1:06:27
and they commented on what happened to the pups.
1369
1:06:27
1:06:28
And there were one or two abnormalities
1370
1:06:28
1:06:30
and some of that is normal.
1371
1:06:30
1:06:33
And then they euthanized them, all the pups.
1372
1:06:33
1:06:35
So there's no, and that was within a few days.
1373
1:06:35
1:06:37
So there was no long-term studies
1374
1:06:37
1:06:39
of what happens to those pups.
1375
1:06:39
1:06:40
And they can't be,
1376
1:06:40
1:06:42
because there was never the time to do that.
1377
1:06:42
1:06:44
AstraZeneca was even worse
1378
1:06:44
1:06:46
in that there was no animal studies at all
1379
1:06:46
1:06:49
for the AstraZeneca vaccine before it was rolled out.
1380
1:06:49
1:06:51
And that got them some criticism.
1381
1:06:52
1:06:56
But that's, the absence of animal studies
1382
1:06:56
1:06:58
is against the Nuremberg Code.
1383
1:06:59
1:07:03
So the AstraZeneca, I think, went backtracked
1384
1:07:03
1:07:07
and looked at animal studies there back in 2000,
1385
1:07:09
1:07:12
I'm getting my years of them now, 2020.
1386
1:07:13
1:07:15
And that may be one of the reasons
1387
1:07:15
1:07:18
why the N501Y mutation appeared,
1388
1:07:18
1:07:23
because if you make a new mouse model for SARS-CoV-2,
1389
1:07:26
1:07:30
one of the necessary interventions for that mouse model
1390
1:07:30
1:07:31
is to introduce a gene change,
1391
1:07:31
1:07:34
which produces the N501Y mutation.
1392
1:07:34
1:07:36
And we all know about the N501Y mutation,
1393
1:07:36
1:07:39
because it was the famous UK strain,
1394
1:07:40
1:07:42
which appeared around September last year,
1395
1:07:42
1:07:44
which is around the time at which the protocol was made
1396
1:07:44
1:07:47
for the N501Y mutation.
1397
1:07:47
1:07:48
That's a different story.
1398
1:07:48
1:07:52
And so the AstraZeneca were a bit behind the eight ball
1399
1:07:52
1:07:53
on the animal studies.
1400
1:07:55
1:07:57
I think, Stephen, that in principle, you're right,
1401
1:07:57
1:08:00
but of course there's lots of Nuremberg Code issues
1402
1:08:00
1:08:01
involved here.
1403
1:08:03
1:08:06
So the animal studies for the finds are available on the TV.
1404
1:08:06
1:08:08
Sam, can I ask you a very important question?
1405
1:08:08
1:08:12
Why did Robert Malone cut off David Wiseman in public?
1406
1:08:12
1:08:15
I think you'd have to ask Robert Malone that question.
1408
1:08:16
1:08:17
Or David.
1409
1:08:19
1:08:22
When did Robert Malone first start asking questions?
1410
1:08:22
1:08:25
It was September, wasn't it?
1411
1:08:25
1:08:27
I think the first time I really heard about him
1412
1:08:27
1:08:32
was when he came on board in Rome, whenever that was.
1413
1:08:33
1:08:38
And he actually read the physician's guidelines.
1414
1:08:40
1:08:42
And I remember thinking at the time,
1415
1:08:42
1:08:44
hang on a minute, why is Robert Malone doing it?
1416
1:08:44
1:08:46
We've hardly heard from him up to now.
1417
1:08:46
1:08:49
He's the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.
1418
1:08:49
1:08:52
Well, just to be clear,
1419
1:08:52
1:08:55
he says that he's the inventor of the mRNA technology.
1420
1:08:55
1:08:57
That's the wording that he uses.
1421
1:08:58
1:09:03
Because Ugo Sahin is the inventor of this mRNA vaccine.
1422
1:09:03
1:09:05
That's fair and square on him.
1423
1:09:06
1:09:08
So if it works, that's his credit.
1424
1:09:08
1:09:11
And if it doesn't work, then obviously that's the opposite.
1425
1:09:11
1:09:16
So the technology that Malone is referring to
1426
1:09:16
1:09:17
goes back to 1990.
1427
1:09:17
1:09:19
And I have the paper, you can download it,
1428
1:09:19
1:09:21
but it's Malone RW.
1429
1:09:21
1:09:25
And it was basically just an investigation
1430
1:09:25
1:09:30
of what happens if you inject RNA and DNA into a mouse.
1431
1:09:30
1:09:33
And then they showed that if you inject
1432
1:09:33
1:09:35
labeled RNA or DNA into a mouse,
1433
1:09:35
1:09:38
that will get into the cells of the mouse
1434
1:09:38
1:09:39
one way or another.
1435
1:09:39
1:09:42
And that was without using lipid nanoparticles and stuff.
1436
1:09:42
1:09:46
So it does happen without those additional technologies.
1437
1:09:46
1:09:48
It's just that the transfection agent
1438
1:09:48
1:09:50
and lipid nanoparticles make it more efficient.
1439
1:09:50
1:09:51
I think Miko, is that right?
1440
1:09:53
1:09:54
Yeah, that's right.
1441
1:09:54
1:09:59
So, but however, he might've been the first one
1442
1:10:00
1:10:03
to be able to demonstrate that this can happen
1443
1:10:03
1:10:05
and will hence his claim to fame.
1444
1:10:05
1:10:07
Yeah, I would say so.
1445
1:10:07
1:10:11
So, but then this is very far from being able to say
1446
1:10:11
1:10:14
that this is an inventor of vaccine technology
1447
1:10:17
1:10:19
because we were finally moved.
1448
1:10:19
1:10:21
And let's contribute it to the field.
1449
1:10:21
1:10:23
There's no doubt.
1450
1:10:23
1:10:26
Unless of course the people pushing the vaccines
1451
1:10:26
1:10:30
wanted everybody to listen to Malone and nobody else.
1452
1:10:34
1:10:37
So I'm very surprised that two scientists,
1453
1:10:37
1:10:39
that Malone, it's very interesting
1454
1:10:39
1:10:42
because Malone came onto our group here.
1455
1:10:42
1:10:45
He didn't want to listen to anybody on the call at all.
1456
1:10:45
1:10:49
He wasn't the presenter and he took over
1457
1:10:49
1:10:51
and he wouldn't answer any questions.
1458
1:10:51
1:10:53
I tried to ask him something.
1459
1:10:53
1:10:56
He just carried on with what he wants to say.
1460
1:10:56
1:10:58
So I'm very suspicious of Malone.
1461
1:10:59
1:11:01
I think he's controlled opposition.
1462
1:11:01
1:11:05
Anyway, look, Steven, we've got a number of questions.
1463
1:11:08
1:11:12
I think I finished my questions for Mikhail.
1464
1:11:13
1:11:14
I hope that's, I don't know if that's...
1465
1:11:14
1:11:16
Yeah, I'm afraid I wasn't able to help you
1466
1:11:16
1:11:20
with the RNA component, but that's partially
1467
1:11:20
1:11:25
because my understanding is still unknown, simply unknown.
1468
1:11:26
1:11:30
But obviously we're very cleverly designed
1469
1:11:30
1:11:33
in terms of the selection process, right?
1470
1:11:33
1:11:38
But indeed then imagine taking this experimental technology
1471
1:11:38
1:11:43
and literally we are undergoing the biggest experiment
1472
1:11:43
1:11:45
on humans ever undertaken.
1473
1:11:46
1:11:48
And then Steven, in answer to your question,
1474
1:11:48
1:11:49
was this deliberate?
1475
1:11:50
1:11:52
I can only...
1476
1:11:52
1:11:55
And Mikhail, you go first.
1477
1:11:55
1:11:57
It's so hard to answer that.
1478
1:11:57
1:11:57
You know what?
1479
1:11:57
1:12:02
I try not to subscribe to these type of dark way of thinking.
1480
1:12:02
1:12:06
And I purposely prefer to remain naive.
1481
1:12:06
1:12:08
What I actually think was happening,
1482
1:12:08
1:12:13
there is no, that there wasn't maybe a specific design
1483
1:12:14
1:12:16
apart from true desire to help,
1484
1:12:16
1:12:19
while obviously at the same time,
1485
1:12:19
1:12:21
wanting to make a lot of money.
1486
1:12:21
1:12:24
I actually believe that the inventors of this technology
1487
1:12:24
1:12:29
thought they were doing humanity a grand service
1488
1:12:29
1:12:33
and while at the same time wanting to get obscenely rich.
1489
1:12:33
1:12:37
And I would have gone for the same purpose
1490
1:12:37
1:12:41
if I thought I was about to help the humanity
1491
1:12:41
1:12:43
while making good money.
1492
1:12:43
1:12:44
As a consequence of that,
1493
1:12:44
1:12:47
I would have wanted to participate in that project too.
1494
1:12:47
1:12:49
What might not have happened is...
1495
1:12:51
1:12:52
I don't think anyone understood
1496
1:12:52
1:12:55
the unintended consequences afterwards,
1497
1:12:55
1:12:58
which basically number one,
1498
1:12:58
1:13:00
the technology was understudied
1499
1:13:00
1:13:02
and number two was overused.
1500
1:13:03
1:13:06
And I would agree with all that.
1501
1:13:06
1:13:08
In terms of answering the questions, Steven,
1502
1:13:08
1:13:10
you know that we can't answer the question.
1503
1:13:11
1:13:16
What I can say is that my impression,
1504
1:13:16
1:13:18
this is the point that David Wiseman
1505
1:13:18
1:13:20
was trying to get across is,
1506
1:13:20
1:13:23
we're having this conversation now.
1507
1:13:23
1:13:26
We've got some PhDs and MDs in this group,
1508
1:13:26
1:13:29
smart people, and we're having this conversation.
1509
1:13:29
1:13:32
We're looking through a field of straw,
1510
1:13:32
1:13:36
looking for an answer, which may be a needle.
1511
1:13:36
1:13:40
And there is no way on earth that the FDA, the MHRA,
1512
1:13:40
1:13:45
the TGA, the EMA, who handle normal chemical compounds
1513
1:13:46
1:13:50
as their bread and butter, have any idea at all
1514
1:13:50
1:13:53
what they were dealing with and how to assess it.
1515
1:13:53
1:13:56
They have no idea about codon read-through.
1516
1:13:56
1:13:58
They have no idea about protein elongation.
1517
1:13:58
1:14:00
They have no idea about microRNAs.
1518
1:14:00
1:14:02
They have no idea about 3' UTRs
1519
1:14:02
1:14:04
and the possibility of cross-reaction.
1520
1:14:04
1:14:07
They have no idea about any of that, and they did not ask.
1521
1:14:07
1:14:11
But Sam, that in itself is gross negligence, manslaughter,
1522
1:14:11
1:14:13
and misconduct in public office.
1523
1:14:13
1:14:15
It's misconduct.
1524
1:14:15
1:14:17
Look, I think any way you slice this,
1525
1:14:19
1:14:21
unless those regulators come forward,
1526
1:14:21
1:14:24
and bear in mind, you know, as you'll have seen
1527
1:14:24
1:14:27
from the Freedom of Information request that's gone round,
1528
1:14:27
1:14:32
those officers did not even look at the clinical record forms
1529
1:14:32
1:14:34
of those trials.
1530
1:14:34
1:14:37
They didn't look at one single clinical record form
1531
1:14:37
1:14:40
to ascertain whether or not the data that was given to them
1532
1:14:40
1:14:43
in a shiny brochure was real.
1533
1:14:43
1:14:43
Not one.
1534
1:14:46
1:14:49
So not only did they not know what they were dealing with,
1535
1:14:49
1:14:51
they didn't take the additional steps,
1536
1:14:51
1:14:52
because they could have argued,
1537
1:14:52
1:14:53
well, we don't know what's in this,
1538
1:14:53
1:14:55
and this is why it's gone through the biologics pathway
1539
1:14:55
1:14:57
in the FDA so that they don't know what's in it,
1540
1:14:57
1:15:00
because they don't care, because what they will say is,
1541
1:15:00
1:15:02
okay, well, we don't know what's in it.
1542
1:15:02
1:15:05
It's like taking tree bark extract.
1543
1:15:05
1:15:07
We don't know what's in it, but if it works and it's safe,
1544
1:15:07
1:15:09
all well and good, we don't act.
1545
1:15:09
1:15:10
It doesn't matter to us.
1546
1:15:10
1:15:11
We're just the regulators.
1547
1:15:11
1:15:13
Our job is just to make sure it's safe.
1548
1:15:13
1:15:15
But in order to do that,
1549
1:15:15
1:15:19
they have to have looked at the clinical data thoroughly,
1550
1:15:19
1:15:22
which means making sure that the clinical record forms,
1551
1:15:22
1:15:27
44,000 record forms, matched the data they were given,
1552
1:15:27
1:15:29
and it wasn't made up.
1553
1:15:29
1:15:32
Did you know a criminal investigation was launched
1554
1:15:32
1:15:34
by the Metropolitan Police
1555
1:15:34
1:15:38
on the 20th of December of last year?
1556
1:15:38
1:15:41
I do, but I don't know if it's been filed.
1557
1:15:42
1:15:46
One of the two people named, the main people named,
1558
1:15:46
1:15:51
was Dr. June Raine, who's the medical doctor at the MHRA.
1559
1:15:51
1:15:54
Okay, well, that's interesting, because that...
1560
1:15:54
1:15:57
And the other person named was Charlie Massey,
1561
1:15:57
1:16:00
who is the chairman, sorry,
1562
1:16:00
1:16:03
the chief executive of the General Medical Council.
1564
1:16:04
1:16:06
I mean, I think, and I'm sad to say,
1565
1:16:06
1:16:08
I think maybe that's the only way to go,
1566
1:16:08
1:16:09
but that's for another day.
1567
1:16:10
1:16:14
Okay, my question to you, Sam, my last call is,
1568
1:16:14
1:16:17
would you be prepared to give, and you, Mickalai,
1569
1:16:17
1:16:20
would you prepare, I know Mickalai may prefer
1570
1:16:20
1:16:23
to hang around in the background, and that's fine,
1571
1:16:23
1:16:26
but would you be prepared to give evidence
1572
1:16:26
1:16:28
to the Metropolitan Police?
1573
1:16:29
1:16:31
So I can help you there, Stephen,
1574
1:16:31
1:16:35
for two reasons, maybe the same for Mickalai.
1575
1:16:35
1:16:38
So number one, I'm a clinician, so as soon as I go on,
1576
1:16:38
1:16:41
I'm asking these questions now, Mickalai is the expert,
1577
1:16:41
1:16:44
because I know that these things exist
1578
1:16:44
1:16:48
because of my training, but if I was to go as an expert,
1579
1:16:48
1:16:50
I'd be useless to you, because that'd be,
1580
1:16:50
1:16:52
so they'll just say, because I know what happens in court,
1581
1:16:52
1:16:53
they'll just say, oh, well, you haven't been...
1582
1:16:53
1:16:56
No, it's not court, it's a criminal investigation.
1583
1:16:56
1:16:58
No, but I don't have standing
1584
1:16:58
1:17:00
for a criminal investigation there.
1585
1:17:00
1:17:01
But the second thing that will happen,
1586
1:17:01
1:17:02
I'll tell you what will happen,
1587
1:17:02
1:17:05
and this is why I have to use my words carefully as well,
1588
1:17:05
1:17:06
and even with this being recorded,
1589
1:17:06
1:17:11
I hope that people on this chat will not use this...
1590
1:17:11
1:17:11
No, no, no.
1591
1:17:11
1:17:16
Out of context, because as you will know, in Australia,
1592
1:17:17
1:17:19
there is an edict which has gone out saying
1593
1:17:19
1:17:21
that all registered doctors in Australia
1594
1:17:21
1:17:25
are not allowed to give negative information
1595
1:17:25
1:17:28
or information that could be construed as negative
1596
1:17:28
1:17:32
about the COVID vaccines that is not scientifically based.
1597
1:17:32
1:17:34
Now, everything I say has scientific merit,
1598
1:17:34
1:17:37
and I'm sure Michalaj will agree with me there,
1599
1:17:38
1:17:40
but if not, he should say so now.
1600
1:17:40
1:17:45
Well, I think that, yes, the organization was in place
1601
1:17:48
1:17:50
in order to profit the most,
1602
1:17:50
1:17:53
as much as possible from any pandemic,
1603
1:17:53
1:17:55
and I believe that was already pre-built.
1604
1:17:55
1:17:58
Yes, it sounds conspiratorial,
1605
1:17:58
1:18:01
but that's because we have to appreciate
1606
1:18:01
1:18:03
that we knew there was going to be a pandemic,
1607
1:18:03
1:18:06
and we knew that most likely it's going to be coronavirus.
1608
1:18:06
1:18:08
That's why in the last two decades,
1609
1:18:08
1:18:12
there was tons of preparation for the possibility
1610
1:18:12
1:18:14
of coronavirus pandemic taking place,
1611
1:18:14
1:18:18
and I think the system that we organized itself
1612
1:18:18
1:18:21
in order to be able to take full advantage of it
1613
1:18:21
1:18:26
in order to execute the use of vaccination properly
1614
1:18:27
1:18:30
and then make lots of money off of it.
1615
1:18:30
1:18:33
Nevertheless, I still believe
1616
1:18:33
1:18:37
that this would not have been the population agenda.
1617
1:18:37
1:18:39
Sorry if I disagree with anyone here.
1618
1:18:39
1:18:42
I actually thought people were hoping to help
1619
1:18:42
1:18:45
and make tons of money and maybe accidentally screwed up
1620
1:18:45
1:18:50
by pushing this too far, but my simple explanation,
1621
1:18:50
1:18:55
I agree, does not explain as to why vaccines are pushed
1622
1:18:56
1:19:00
so heavily at the expense of anything else,
1623
1:19:00
1:19:03
but I think that's simply justified by money
1624
1:19:03
1:19:08
because one thing you could be doing is obviously treating
1625
1:19:08
1:19:11
people with COVID-19 with some really,
1626
1:19:11
1:19:13
really cheap therapeutics,
1627
1:19:13
1:19:17
and those have been completely removed from the equation.
1629
1:19:18
1:19:21
Because one, you need to pay quite a bit of money for,
1630
1:19:21
1:19:23
and the other one, you pay pennies.
1631
1:19:23
1:19:24
Yes, but there's another thing-
1632
1:19:24
1:19:25
This is why we don't investigate-
1633
1:19:25
1:19:27
Nikolai, there's another reason,
1634
1:19:27
1:19:29
and that is that you can't get
1635
1:19:29
1:19:33
an emergency use authorization, certainly in the US,
1636
1:19:34
1:19:37
if you've got effective treatments.
1637
1:19:37
1:19:39
Correct, correct.
1638
1:19:39
1:19:43
Yes, and that's why I think a lot of it was people
1639
1:19:43
1:19:46
were hoping we're going to be heroes and get rich.
1640
1:19:46
1:19:49
No, but I think it's more than that
1641
1:19:49
1:19:53
because lockdowns, the masks, the social distancing,
1642
1:19:53
1:19:56
this is all human medical experimentation.
1643
1:19:56
1:19:57
There's no precedent for it.
1644
1:19:57
1:19:59
There's no medical justification for it.
1645
1:19:59
1:20:01
I was saying that very early on,
1646
1:20:01
1:20:06
and so the whole thing was a huge medical experiment,
1647
1:20:07
1:20:11
and it was worldwide, and it came at the same time worldwide,
1648
1:20:11
1:20:12
so it was clearly planned.
1649
1:20:12
1:20:14
There was no way it was not planned.
1650
1:20:14
1:20:18
Wait, I'll give you a different possibility,
1651
1:20:18
1:20:23
I think, which you might be absolutely correct, Stephen.
1652
1:20:23
1:20:26
I'll just give you another possibility to think.
1653
1:20:26
1:20:30
One of the things, this is on an individual scale,
1654
1:20:30
1:20:33
I think happens as well as on a population scale,
1655
1:20:33
1:20:38
is when in a context of fear or paranoia,
1656
1:20:38
1:20:41
such as we experience with this pandemic,
1657
1:20:41
1:20:45
people throw logic and reason out the window
1658
1:20:45
1:20:48
and start behaving and copying each other.
1659
1:20:48
1:20:50
I actually think we started copying each other en masse,
1660
1:20:50
1:20:53
whether this made any sense or not.
1661
1:20:53
1:20:55
And in the same way, to support my argument,
1662
1:20:55
1:20:58
I think we're about to see the reverse,
1663
1:20:58
1:21:00
where we're about to start realizing,
1664
1:21:00
1:21:03
okay, this was a mistake, this is an action embarrassment,
1665
1:21:03
1:21:06
what we did, and we're going to start very rapidly,
1666
1:21:06
1:21:11
start reversing, including mopping up the damage and so on.
1667
1:21:12
1:21:15
So I think we're, and people will start copying each other,
1668
1:21:15
1:21:18
our population societies will very quickly
1669
1:21:18
1:21:21
start copying each other once again, in this case,
1670
1:21:21
1:21:24
by throwing the mandates out the window
1671
1:21:24
1:21:26
and try to fix the problems.
1672
1:21:26
1:21:29
Well, Mikolaj, they've just done that in the UK.
1673
1:21:29
1:21:32
Yesterday, they announced that they're not going to.
1674
1:21:33
1:21:34
That's right, right?
1675
1:21:34
1:21:37
And you can see how rapidly things are changing in Europe.
1676
1:21:38
1:21:42
So you have now multiple countries that are simply saying,
1677
1:21:42
1:21:45
no, we're done with this, done with mandates,
1678
1:21:45
1:21:48
done with COVID-19 restrictions.
1679
1:21:48
1:21:50
Come on, Stephen.
1680
1:21:50
1:21:52
That's enough, Stephen, of questions from you.
1681
1:21:52
1:21:53
Let's get into the other questions,
1682
1:21:53
1:21:55
because Mikolaj will have to go
1683
1:21:55
1:21:56
and then he won't answer the questions.
1684
1:21:56
1:21:58
So Sam, if you'd drop your hand down, please.
1685
1:21:58
1:22:00
Thank you for your contribution.
1686
1:22:00
1:22:02
Gary Finkelstein, you're first.
1687
1:22:02
1:22:04
And all of the hands up are normal questioners,
1688
1:22:04
1:22:07
so we're going in order, Gary.
1689
1:22:07
1:22:08
Okay, yeah, thank you.
1690
1:22:08
1:22:10
So I had a quick question for Mikolaj,
1691
1:22:10
1:22:11
which at the very start,
1692
1:22:11
1:22:13
he said he was able to avoid the censor.
1693
1:22:13
1:22:18
So I'm kind of keen to understand how he did that.
1694
1:22:19
1:22:22
And for Sam, the...
1695
1:22:25
1:22:26
Gosh, what was the...
1696
1:22:29
1:22:30
I forgot my question.
1697
1:22:30
1:22:32
Let's just stick to the first one.
1698
1:22:32
1:22:34
It'll come to me in a second.
1699
1:22:34
1:22:36
Okay, so two things.
1700
1:22:36
1:22:40
Number one, I only discuss science
1701
1:22:40
1:22:41
and what's presented in science
1702
1:22:41
1:22:43
and I remove personal opinions
1703
1:22:43
1:22:45
and I only stick to the science.
1704
1:22:45
1:22:47
Therefore, I'm strictly talking about
1705
1:22:47
1:22:50
what is already part of public domain.
1706
1:22:50
1:22:52
And while I discuss it,
1707
1:22:52
1:22:56
I try to avoid any type of language
1708
1:22:56
1:23:00
that would be negative towards together,
1709
1:23:00
1:23:03
that would be negative towards vaccination program.
1710
1:23:03
1:23:06
So then a lot of the message is implied
1711
1:23:08
1:23:09
and I get attacked for it,
1712
1:23:09
1:23:11
because people are confused as to
1713
1:23:11
1:23:12
where I stand,
1714
1:23:12
1:23:14
I get accused for being anti-vaxxer and pro-vaxxer.
1715
1:23:15
1:23:17
So that's the trick.
1716
1:23:17
1:23:22
So public domain information without opinions,
1717
1:23:22
1:23:24
I try, of course I'm opinionated,
1718
1:23:24
1:23:26
but I try and it's not easy.
1719
1:23:26
1:23:29
And then how I put the words together
1720
1:23:29
1:23:33
so that I do not disparage vaccination program directly,
1721
1:23:33
1:23:34
because then the video will be out.
1722
1:23:34
1:23:35
Yeah, okay.
1723
1:23:35
1:23:37
And I get it down for one video.
1724
1:23:37
1:23:39
So my bigger question is,
1725
1:23:40
1:23:44
I understand the gist that I'm getting from both of you
1726
1:23:44
1:23:47
is that this is an experimental vaccine
1727
1:23:48
1:23:52
and we're still learning and the data still coming out.
1728
1:23:53
1:23:56
I mean, the flip side for some people,
1729
1:23:56
1:24:00
they were facing a coronavirus,
1730
1:24:00
1:24:01
which was very dangerous to them
1731
1:24:01
1:24:03
if they were in certain age groups
1732
1:24:03
1:24:05
and certain comorbidities.
1733
1:24:05
1:24:07
So my million dollar question to you guys is,
1734
1:24:07
1:24:12
are you in favor of the vaccine for some age groups
1735
1:24:16
1:24:18
during the pandemic?
1736
1:24:18
1:24:20
I mean, when the pandemic's behind us and so forth,
1737
1:24:20
1:24:21
it might've changed,
1738
1:24:21
1:24:23
but was there a time during this pandemic
1739
1:24:23
1:24:26
where it was worth the risk to have the vaccine?
1740
1:24:27
1:24:29
Personally, I would say absolutely.
1741
1:24:29
1:24:34
And people, I think people are not stupid.
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1:24:35
They can act stupid,
1743
1:24:35
1:24:38
but overall, I think people in general are very smart.
1744
1:24:38
1:24:40
I think people know this was experimental
1745
1:24:40
1:24:41
and people still lined up
1746
1:24:41
1:24:43
because of fear of what might happen.
1747
1:24:43
1:24:46
I think if we vaccinated only high-risk group,
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1:24:46
1:24:51
we actually might've been able to reach herd immunity
1749
1:24:51
1:24:54
and clearly the vaccine,
1750
1:24:54
1:24:56
whatever its long-term consequences might be,
1751
1:24:56
1:24:59
remember who we were vaccinating at the beginning,
1752
1:24:59
1:25:00
only healthcare workers,
1753
1:25:00
1:25:03
and they should have had the freedom to say yes or no.
1754
1:25:03
1:25:04
And then elderly individuals.
1755
1:25:04
1:25:07
And then elderly individuals who are clearly
1756
1:25:09
1:25:11
encompass the largest group of victims
1757
1:25:11
1:25:14
of the disease, COVID-19 disease.
1758
1:25:14
1:25:18
So even if there's long-term consequences,
1759
1:25:18
1:25:21
you already happen to be at the end of life, right?
1760
1:25:21
1:25:24
So then you want to survive the next few years,
1761
1:25:24
1:25:27
irrespective of what might happen to you 15 years later,
1762
1:25:27
1:25:31
where you're likely going to succumb to other problems
1763
1:25:31
1:25:33
because of the fact that as we age,
1764
1:25:33
1:25:35
well, that's what happens.
1765
1:25:35
1:25:40
So absolutely I would have been for it and I was,
1766
1:25:40
1:25:44
but the people who are not in a high-risk group,
1767
1:25:44
1:25:46
they did not have to vaccinate themselves.
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1:25:46
1:25:49
And I believe we might've created a mistake
1769
1:25:49
1:25:52
where we unfortunately over-vaccinated.
1770
1:25:52
1:25:55
And because of that, we altered the evolution of the virus.
1771
1:25:56
1:25:58
And I do talk about that in one of my videos,
1772
1:25:58
1:26:01
but again, it's a clever way of doing it.
1773
1:26:01
1:26:04
Sam, do you agree with that?
1774
1:26:04
1:26:06
I was hoping you wouldn't ask me that question.
1775
1:26:06
1:26:11
So my view is a purely pragmatic and ethical view,
1776
1:26:11
1:26:16
which is a bit like old Donald Trump's,
1777
1:26:18
1:26:19
whatever, right to try.
1778
1:26:19
1:26:22
So there was a pandemic, whether it was, you know,
1779
1:26:22
1:26:24
manufactured or not, we know the answer to that,
1780
1:26:24
1:26:26
but that's for another day.
1781
1:26:26
1:26:30
And there were people that were scared of the pandemic.
1782
1:26:30
1:26:35
And for those people, I mean, I sent some of our older staff
1783
1:26:35
1:26:38
said, go and get your vaccine, go and get your vaccine.
1784
1:26:38
1:26:40
But it's an investigational treatment.
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1:26:40
1:26:44
So you never knew whether that was going to help you or not.
1786
1:26:44
1:26:46
So the only possibility was,
1787
1:26:46
1:26:51
did you feel better in yourself going to get that therapy?
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1:26:51
1:26:53
And I'm completely on the side,
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1:26:53
1:26:56
absolutely 100% of early treatments, 100%.
1790
1:26:56
1:26:59
I wrote a paper with David Wiseman.
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1:27:00
100% too.
1792
1:27:00
1:27:02
Yeah, but that's not the question.
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1:27:02
1:27:04
If you wanted to do this properly and ethically,
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1:27:04
1:27:07
what you would have done is,
1795
1:27:07
1:27:10
A, not create chimeric viruses in the first place.
1796
1:27:10
1:27:13
But once you had created chimeric viruses,
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1:27:16
is you release the treatments that we knew worked
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1:27:16
1:27:18
for those chimeric viruses,
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1:27:20
which is hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin,
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1:27:23
the vitamin supplements, all those things,
1801
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1:27:27
and the vaccines that you've developed at short notice,
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1:27:31
you let people choose what they want to use.
1803
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1:27:33
And what you don't do is tell people
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1:27:33
1:27:35
what they have to put in their body
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1:27:35
1:27:37
in order to go to work or go to the shop.
1806
1:27:37
1:27:38
Okay, fine.
1807
1:27:43
1:27:45
Just a quick yes or no.
1808
1:27:45
1:27:48
I'm going to assume that you're not a fan
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1:27:48
1:27:53
of the TGA's edict from the way you answered that question.
1810
1:27:53
1:27:56
So for Australia, that's the APRA edict.
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1:27:56
1:28:00
APRA edict was written, published on the 9th of March.
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1:28:00
1:28:03
I am not allowed to say whether I'm in favor of it
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1:28:04
or not in favor of it,
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1:28:07
because that would be against the APRA edict,
1815
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1:28:08
and I would be deregistered.
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1:28:09
1:28:12
What I am allowed to say is that we know
1817
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1:28:16
that APRA were requested by a freedom of information request
1818
1:28:16
1:28:21
to show the emails behind that edict,
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1:28:24
which came from the pharmacy board and have refused.
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1:28:26
Wow, okay, thank you.
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1:28:28
Thank you, Sam.
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1:28:30
On that, I am Australian,
1823
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1:28:32
and I am involved with a number of doctors
1824
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1:28:33
being attacked by APRA.
1825
1:28:33
1:28:35
I can speak out, I do speak out.
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1:28:39
APRA is corrupt, criminal, conflicted.
1827
1:28:39
1:28:44
TGA is corrupt, criminal, conflicted.
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1:28:44
1:28:47
I am involved in a number of court cases.
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1:28:51
I'm dealing with hundreds of doctors who refuse to be jabbed.
1830
1:28:51
1:28:54
And I am in the business of using words,
1831
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1:28:57
just like Sam, you and Mickalai,
1832
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1:28:59
the words are magnificent words.
1833
1:28:59
1:29:00
Like this is magnificent stuff.
1834
1:29:00
1:29:04
But if you have the legal conversation here with the lawyers,
1835
1:29:04
1:29:07
we could use words that people don't understand as well.
1836
1:29:07
1:29:12
The word pandemic has been bandied around today, ad nauseam.
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1:29:13
1:29:15
You all know the definition of pandemic
1838
1:29:15
1:29:18
has been changed by the who, corruptly.
1839
1:29:18
1:29:23
So this whole issue of, by the way,
1840
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1:29:27
I have documentary evidence in Australia
1841
1:29:27
1:29:29
that will be used in court cases
1842
1:29:29
1:29:34
that APRA claims it only regulates badly behaving doctors,
1843
1:29:35
1:29:37
but it doesn't regulate doctors.
1844
1:29:37
1:29:40
So they're fraudulent in their publications as well.
1845
1:29:40
1:29:43
And I have a document that proves the fraud
1846
1:29:43
1:29:46
behind the whole vaccination structure in Australia,
1847
1:29:46
1:29:49
the NHS, the immunization handbook,
1848
1:29:49
1:29:51
not the vaccination handle.
1849
1:29:51
1:29:54
So everybody don't fool yourselves
1850
1:29:54
1:29:58
that these regulators are behaving properly
1851
1:29:58
1:29:59
because they're not.
1852
1:29:59
1:30:00
Theresa, your question.
1853
1:30:02
1:30:03
Hi, thank you, Charles.
1854
1:30:04
1:30:09
Right, my question is, hang on, let me just, right, okay.
1855
1:30:11
1:30:13
I've been following this from the start.
1856
1:30:13
1:30:17
My first fears about the vaccine would be
1857
1:30:17
1:30:19
that it would introduce some kind
1858
1:30:19
1:30:23
of antibody dependence enhancement illness.
1859
1:30:23
1:30:26
But I've been trying to learn about it for two years now.
1860
1:30:27
1:30:30
I've learned from Dr. Sukharid Bhakhti
1861
1:30:30
1:30:33
that what happens when you're injected
1862
1:30:33
1:30:37
is that the mRNA doesn't stay in the injection site
1863
1:30:37
1:30:38
like we were promised.
1864
1:30:39
1:30:41
It travels, it gets into your bloodstream,
1865
1:30:41
1:30:43
it gets into your lymphatic system,
1866
1:30:44
1:30:47
where it causes your CD8 and CD4 cells,
1867
1:30:47
1:30:51
your CD8 killer T cells and your CD4 H cell
1868
1:30:51
1:30:53
to express the spike protein.
1869
1:30:55
1:30:58
Can you mute Simon there?
1870
1:30:58
1:31:03
So I learned that once they start to express
1871
1:31:05
1:31:09
the spike protein, they start to look suspiciously
1872
1:31:09
1:31:11
like viruses to each other.
1873
1:31:11
1:31:14
So your CD8 and CD4 start to, they kill themselves,
1874
1:31:14
1:31:17
they kill each other, antibodies are produced
1875
1:31:17
1:31:21
that destroy them and antibody complements.
1876
1:31:21
1:31:24
So your innate immune system begins to die off,
1877
1:31:24
1:31:29
which prevents you from fighting cancers.
1878
1:31:29
1:31:31
It also prevents you from fighting
1879
1:31:31
1:31:34
opportunistic infections.
1880
1:31:34
1:31:37
Now, at the same time, it would appear
1881
1:31:37
1:31:39
that the spike protein, the very same spike protein,
1882
1:31:39
1:31:43
is able to get into the nuclei of your cells
1883
1:31:43
1:31:48
and basically interfere with your ability to fight cancers.
1884
1:31:48
1:31:53
So at the same time as, well, sorry,
1885
1:31:53
1:31:57
interfere with your ability to repair your DNA,
1886
1:31:57
1:31:58
which can spark cancers.
1887
1:31:58
1:32:02
So you can't fight cancer at the same time
1888
1:32:02
1:32:04
as it's likely to be kicking off cancer.
1889
1:32:04
1:32:06
Now, several people that I know have now died
1890
1:32:06
1:32:08
of very sudden, very aggressive cancers.
1891
1:32:08
1:32:11
My cousin, I begged her not to get jabbed.
1892
1:32:11
1:32:16
She died within weeks of getting the vaccination, okay?
1893
1:32:16
1:32:19
My auntie had a sharp pain in her chest.
1894
1:32:19
1:32:21
She ended up collapsing.
1895
1:32:21
1:32:22
She ended up in hospital.
1896
1:32:22
1:32:24
She didn't live very long after that.
1897
1:32:25
1:32:29
A friend's brother-in-law, he was vaccinated.
1898
1:32:29
1:32:32
He seemed to be fine, no history of any illness,
1899
1:32:32
1:32:34
collapsed in the kitchen, got taken to hospital.
1900
1:32:34
1:32:37
They had scans and basically they said
1901
1:32:38
1:32:40
he had stage four cancer.
1902
1:32:40
1:32:41
He was riddled with it.
1903
1:32:41
1:32:43
He was dead within three days, okay?
1904
1:32:43
1:32:46
And I'm hearing so much of this stuff.
1905
1:32:46
1:32:50
My friend Tammy, her mom and her mom's two sisters,
1906
1:32:50
1:32:52
all three sisters went and had the Pfizer jab.
1907
1:32:52
1:32:54
Teresa, what's the question?
1908
1:32:54
1:32:59
Well, my question is, okay, if this thing,
1909
1:32:59
1:33:02
I'm just gonna say, all three ladies have strokes.
1910
1:33:02
1:33:04
Two of them are dead, one's in a wheelchair, okay?
1911
1:33:04
1:33:07
This is happening to everybody that I know.
1912
1:33:07
1:33:09
Everybody that I know knows somebody that's died
1913
1:33:09
1:33:11
as a result of these vaccines.
1914
1:33:11
1:33:13
We need to have this conversation.
1915
1:33:13
1:33:16
So my question for you is,
1916
1:33:16
1:33:18
if we know that it's preventing your ability
1917
1:33:18
1:33:20
to fight cancers, if we know that it's increasing
1918
1:33:20
1:33:22
your chance of developing cancers,
1919
1:33:22
1:33:26
if we know that spike protein injected into macaque monkeys
1920
1:33:26
1:33:29
cause Lewy bodies to be expressed in their brains,
1921
1:33:29
1:33:32
if we know that half a percent of all the batches
1922
1:33:32
1:33:36
appear to be quite severely cardio toxic,
1923
1:33:38
1:33:41
doesn't it kind of look a little bit suspicious
1924
1:33:41
1:33:43
that we're now all being coerced
1925
1:33:43
1:33:45
into having this vaccination?
1926
1:33:45
1:33:47
I would just like your thoughts on that
1927
1:33:47
1:33:49
in this nice, safe environment amongst people
1928
1:33:49
1:33:54
who kind of understand that there's more to this
1929
1:33:54
1:33:56
than just greed and money.
1930
1:33:58
1:34:01
It is crazy suspicious.
1931
1:34:01
1:34:06
Everything from the start of last year is suspicious.
1932
1:34:08
1:34:10
Look what's happening to doctors,
1933
1:34:10
1:34:13
how doctors are being treated and abused
1934
1:34:13
1:34:14
along the process.
1935
1:34:14
1:34:15
Nothing is normal here.
1936
1:34:15
1:34:17
We all know that.
1938
1:34:18
1:34:22
And we can keep saying it, keep saying it.
1939
1:34:22
1:34:26
And I don't know what it's going to take.
1940
1:34:26
1:34:30
I actually, but luckily the narrative is collapsing
1941
1:34:30
1:34:33
thanks to an immune escape variant
1942
1:34:33
1:34:35
in the shape of the Omicron.
1943
1:34:35
1:34:38
But of course everything is bizarre.
1944
1:34:38
1:34:38
We know this.
1945
1:34:39
1:34:41
Doctors have never been mistreated
1946
1:34:41
1:34:44
like they have been mistreated now, never.
1947
1:34:44
1:34:46
It's bizarre.
1948
1:34:46
1:34:49
The standard that have been dropped,
1949
1:34:49
1:34:53
the standards, and this is why medicine and science
1950
1:34:53
1:34:57
I find is so fascinating is because those are the areas
1951
1:34:57
1:35:00
of human invention that along the way has created
1952
1:35:00
1:35:04
the highest standard of ethics of treating another person
1953
1:35:05
1:35:06
because of the ethics developed
1954
1:35:06
1:35:08
in order to protect a patient from harm.
1955
1:35:08
1:35:11
It's some of the grandest, the most beautiful ethics
1956
1:35:11
1:35:14
we ever developed when it comes to regard
1957
1:35:14
1:35:18
of proper treatment of another human person's dignity.
1958
1:35:18
1:35:22
And so much of it has fallen apart in the context,
1959
1:35:22
1:35:27
of course, that we have to react to health crisis,
1960
1:35:27
1:35:29
but it makes no sense.
1961
1:35:29
1:35:33
So it was never a health crisis.
1962
1:35:33
1:35:34
Yeah, thank you.
1963
1:35:34
1:35:36
Thank you, Dr. Raszczak.
1964
1:35:36
1:35:36
You're a good man.
1965
1:35:36
1:35:38
Keep doing what you're doing, okay?
1966
1:35:38
1:35:41
You're helping millions.
1967
1:35:41
1:35:42
And Theresa, that was...
1968
1:35:44
1:35:46
Mikolaj, you haven't put your links to your videos there.
1969
1:35:46
1:35:48
Please, you know, you get a whole bunch
1970
1:35:48
1:35:49
of extra subscribers here.
1971
1:35:49
1:35:52
So you really should put that in, Theresa.
1972
1:35:52
1:35:54
So there's the answer.
1973
1:35:54
1:35:55
I love your answer, Mikolaj.
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1:35:55
1:35:56
It's crazy suspicious.
1975
1:35:56
1:35:57
I love it, three words.
1976
1:35:59
1:36:01
Well, Sam, you're not...
1977
1:36:01
1:36:05
So Sam, I can speak up, you can.
1978
1:36:05
1:36:06
So, you know, keep going.
1979
1:36:06
1:36:08
I mean, if you wanna say something specifically,
1980
1:36:08
1:36:09
but don't get into trouble.
1981
1:36:09
1:36:13
From a genomics perspective and purely genomics,
1982
1:36:13
1:36:17
back in February, 2020 was when Prashant Pradhan,
1983
1:36:17
1:36:18
who's a very nice guy, you know,
1984
1:36:18
1:36:21
I've spoken to offline, published his paper.
1985
1:36:21
1:36:26
It's called the uncanny similarity of HIV one sequences
1986
1:36:26
1:36:28
to the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.
1987
1:36:28
1:36:30
And at that time, I looked through that paper
1988
1:36:30
1:36:33
and verified it myself and the blast searches.
1989
1:36:33
1:36:35
Mikolaj can, I'm sure, do the same.
1990
1:36:35
1:36:37
I don't know what his opinion is of that paper,
1991
1:36:37
1:36:40
but I'm 100% sure that that paper is genuine.
1992
1:36:40
1:36:42
And that was removed from the internet
1993
1:36:42
1:36:45
by a combination of Twitter censorship
1994
1:36:45
1:36:48
and attack on a news aggregator called Zero Hedge,
1995
1:36:48
1:36:50
which published around it.
1996
1:36:50
1:36:54
And Pradhan and his group had to go into hiding at that time.
1997
1:36:54
1:36:57
That paper never got republished.
1998
1:36:57
1:36:59
It's a great paper.
1999
1:37:00
1:37:03
And my concern is if that paper had been allowed to stand,
2000
1:37:03
1:37:05
which it should have been,
2001
1:37:05
1:37:09
as a scientifically merited paper,
2002
1:37:09
1:37:13
then the whole course of the pandemic would have changed
2003
1:37:13
1:37:17
because we would know that it was a released vaccine,
2004
1:37:17
1:37:19
that was a released virus that was manufactured.
2005
1:37:19
1:37:21
The proof is in that paper.
2006
1:37:21
1:37:23
The proof is even more emerged since
2007
1:37:23
1:37:26
with the new paper that's come out from another group.
2008
1:37:26
1:37:29
And so if that information was available at the time
2009
1:37:30
1:37:31
and hadn't been sent off the internet,
2010
1:37:31
1:37:33
we would be in a very different position
2011
1:37:33
1:37:36
because we would then be allowed to speak freely
2012
1:37:36
1:37:39
and the treatments would have been allowed.
2013
1:37:39
1:37:39
And I think that's-
2014
1:37:39
1:37:41
Dan, have you got a link to that?
2015
1:37:41
1:37:43
Yeah, I'll post the paper and the thing.
2017
1:37:44
1:37:46
Which paper was that again?
2018
1:37:48
1:37:49
And that's Pradhan's.
2019
1:37:49
1:37:53
I'll try and throw a PDF in the chat.
2021
1:37:55
1:37:57
Yeah, you can put a PDF in the chat.
2022
1:37:59
1:38:01
Oh no, I can link to the PDF.
2023
1:38:03
1:38:04
Yeah, all the,
2024
1:38:04
1:38:06
all the, you can now load the PDF document, either way.
2025
1:38:06
1:38:07
Well done, Sam.
2026
1:38:07
1:38:08
Thank you.
2027
1:38:08
1:38:09
Thank you for that.
2028
1:38:09
1:38:12
And, and Nicola, I think I love you.
2029
1:38:12
1:38:13
I love those three words.
2030
1:38:13
1:38:15
We're, you know, apostatical, four words.
2031
1:38:15
1:38:17
It is crazy suspicious.
2032
1:38:17
1:38:18
Thank you, Theresa.
2033
1:38:18
1:38:19
Cordelia is next.
2034
1:38:21
1:38:23
Cordelia is a path.
2035
1:38:23
1:38:25
By the way, Nicola, we should give you a bit of a,
2036
1:38:25
1:38:27
we didn't do that right at the start.
2037
1:38:27
1:38:28
There's an interesting,
2038
1:38:28
1:38:31
eclectic group of people in this group,
2039
1:38:31
1:38:35
including scientists, physicists, doctors, lawyers,
2040
1:38:35
1:38:37
ex-lawyers like me.
2041
1:38:37
1:38:38
Police.
2042
1:38:38
1:38:39
Dentists.
2043
1:38:39
1:38:40
What else is there?
2044
1:38:40
1:38:41
Police.
2045
1:38:41
1:38:42
Police, ex-police.
2046
1:38:42
1:38:44
Financiers.
2047
1:38:44
1:38:45
Finances.
2048
1:38:46
1:38:50
How does one join this group or is it per invitation only?
2049
1:38:50
1:38:54
Clearly you guys discussed very fascinating material
2050
1:38:54
1:38:55
for me as a scientist.
2051
1:38:55
1:39:00
There's a number of links that I eagerly wait
2052
1:39:00
1:39:02
to be able to now review.
2053
1:39:02
1:39:07
So to me, this is very, very fertile ground
2054
1:39:07
1:39:10
to be able to expand my knowledge for sure.
2055
1:39:12
1:39:16
You are a member of the group by the fact
2056
1:39:16
1:39:18
that you've been invited to speak.
2057
1:39:19
1:39:22
So that means same Zoom link I'll be able to use
2058
1:39:22
1:39:25
to join you guys in the future.
2059
1:39:26
1:39:28
Actually unofficially, yes, it's the same Zoom link,
2060
1:39:28
1:39:32
but the detail, we have meetings on a Tuesday,
2061
1:39:32
1:39:34
sorry, a Sunday and a Tuesday.
2062
1:39:34
1:39:38
So the Sunday one is at 9 p.m. London time
2063
1:39:38
1:39:42
and the Tuesday one is at 8 p.m. Tuesday time.
2064
1:39:42
1:39:46
Sorry, 8 p.m. London time, the Tuesday one.
2065
1:39:46
1:39:51
And so I send out the invitations and I will include you
2066
1:39:52
1:39:55
and some you get the invitations anyway, don't you?
2067
1:39:57
1:39:58
Do you?
2068
1:39:58
1:39:59
Wonderful.
2069
1:40:00
1:40:01
Yeah, it does.
2070
1:40:01
1:40:03
So, Mikola, you're now on the list.
2071
1:40:03
1:40:05
Yeah, I knew you were gonna say yeah.
2072
1:40:05
1:40:07
Yeah, so Mikola, you're now on the list.
2073
1:40:07
1:40:08
Well done, Stephen.
2074
1:40:08
1:40:10
Cordelia is a pathologist.
2075
1:40:10
1:40:12
We've got a UK pathologist.
2076
1:40:12
1:40:13
Hi, thanks.
2077
1:40:13
1:40:15
Yeah, I just want to ask a question.
2078
1:40:15
1:40:18
When the RNA is in the cell
2079
1:40:18
1:40:22
and presumably there's no off button,
2080
1:40:22
1:40:26
so how come then after a few months the antibodies go down?
2081
1:40:26
1:40:28
Is it because the cells divide
2082
1:40:28
1:40:32
and then the body clears itself off the RNA?
2083
1:40:32
1:40:35
Or how does it work that the,
2084
1:40:35
1:40:37
I mean, this is why we're supposed to have boosters
2085
1:40:37
1:40:40
every four months or so, because the antibodies drop.
2086
1:40:40
1:40:45
So how come the RNA is not active after a while anymore?
2087
1:40:46
1:40:48
So this has nothing to do with the RNA.
2088
1:40:48
1:40:51
So they're going to be independent mechanisms
2089
1:40:51
1:40:55
because RNA lifespan, expected lifespan,
2090
1:40:55
1:40:58
would have been mere hours.
2091
1:40:58
1:41:01
We're talking about, now when you're discussing,
2092
1:41:01
1:41:06
we're discussing the 5' and 3' UTR regions of those.
2093
1:41:08
1:41:11
Okay, I didn't check the 3' but the 5'
2094
1:41:11
1:41:14
which was consisted of the Globin UTR,
2095
1:41:15
1:41:18
which was put in there in order to actually
2096
1:41:18
1:41:23
expend the lifespan of the existence of mRNA.
2097
1:41:23
1:41:26
And that's Globin, it's from Globin,
2098
1:41:26
1:41:29
which is the gene used in red blood cells
2099
1:41:29
1:41:31
so that we can carry oxygen.
2100
1:41:31
1:41:34
And that's one of the longer living mRNAs
2101
1:41:34
1:41:37
because red blood cells don't have nucleus.
2102
1:41:37
1:41:41
So once that RNA is there, once it's gone, it's gone.
2103
1:41:41
1:41:42
There's no way of producing more.
2104
1:41:42
1:41:47
And so nature has devised a way so that it can last longer.
2105
1:41:47
1:41:51
And we're talking about maybe between 24 to 30 hours
2106
1:41:51
1:41:53
lifespan of that mRNA.
2107
1:41:53
1:41:55
So then I would extrapolate, and I'm guessing
2108
1:41:55
1:41:59
no one truly knows, is that that would be similar lifespan
2109
1:41:59
1:42:01
of the mRNA of that vaccine.
2110
1:42:01
1:42:04
Of course, there's a lot of shenanigans going on,
2111
1:42:04
1:42:07
meaning there's a lot of manipulation going on.
2112
1:42:07
1:42:11
There's the 3' UTR that Sam was mentioning,
2113
1:42:11
1:42:13
plus there's different chemicals used
2114
1:42:13
1:42:17
in the production of mRNA that are found in nature,
2115
1:42:17
1:42:19
maybe they influence lifespan.
2116
1:42:19
1:42:21
But the take home message here is that RNA
2117
1:42:21
1:42:23
will disappear fast.
2118
1:42:23
1:42:27
So it's the lifespan of the protein
2119
1:42:27
1:42:31
that then appears to be very long lasting.
2120
1:42:31
1:42:33
Now, in terms of the antibodies,
2121
1:42:33
1:42:36
that's one of, don't fully understand it,
2122
1:42:36
1:42:39
that's one of the mystery of the coronaviruses.
2123
1:42:39
1:42:42
My understanding is that coronavirus antibodies
2124
1:42:42
1:42:45
normally just don't last for a long time.
2125
1:42:45
1:42:49
And that was understood prior to vaccination.
2126
1:42:49
1:42:51
And it was understood that most likely,
2127
1:42:51
1:42:54
if we're going to focus on vaccines related
2128
1:42:54
1:42:57
to production of antibodies, they're not gonna last
2129
1:42:57
1:43:01
for more than a few months because that was already known.
2130
1:43:01
1:43:03
So whether it has to do with the fact that
2131
1:43:04
1:43:09
the antibodies we're producing are mostly IgGs,
2132
1:43:09
1:43:11
which are blood antibodies.
2133
1:43:11
1:43:16
And blood antibodies are fantastic when you have,
2134
1:43:16
1:43:19
where the virus, when you're trying to attack a virus
2135
1:43:19
1:43:21
that needs to be transmitted through blood,
2136
1:43:21
1:43:25
but that doesn't actually happen frequently with COVID-19.
2137
1:43:25
1:43:29
Most of it is mucosal, the area of course
2138
1:43:29
1:43:31
in your breathing area, right?
2139
1:43:31
1:43:34
And those are different antibodies.
2140
1:43:34
1:43:38
Maybe that's one of the reasons why the antibodies wane
2141
1:43:38
1:43:41
because as far as I understand, we're not looking for IgAs,
2142
1:43:41
1:43:43
which are the mucosal ones, we're looking for,
2143
1:43:43
1:43:46
when we measure these antibodies, we're measuring IgGs.
2144
1:43:46
1:43:49
So it's been known that they don't last long.
2145
1:43:50
1:43:53
And it's not a surprise at all, in my opinion,
2146
1:43:53
1:43:56
that in three, four months they're gone
2147
1:43:56
1:43:58
because that's what we've always observed
2148
1:43:58
1:44:03
with antibodies, IgG antibodies related to coronavirus.
2149
1:44:03
1:44:05
That's at least my understanding.
2150
1:44:05
1:44:07
Now keep in mind that all of my understanding
2151
1:44:07
1:44:11
is just by reading literature here, literature there,
2152
1:44:11
1:44:14
and I'm collaging that information together
2153
1:44:14
1:44:15
as I go along.
2154
1:44:16
1:44:21
And you know, they keep saying that the cause of disease
2155
1:44:22
1:44:24
is much milder than the vaccination,
2156
1:44:24
1:44:27
but how do they know that without a control group?
2157
1:44:27
1:44:29
It's just a mystery to me.
2158
1:44:29
1:44:32
Cause when they die from COVID after double vaccination,
2159
1:44:32
1:44:35
nobody says, oh, it could have been much worse.
2160
1:44:35
1:44:39
But why do they say it on BBC
2161
1:44:39
1:44:41
when they haven't got a control group?
2162
1:44:42
1:44:46
Well, I mean, this is a logical question in my opinion
2163
1:44:46
1:44:51
is because clearly you wanting to understand
2164
1:44:51
1:44:53
why media narrative is as it is,
2165
1:44:53
1:44:56
is we're never gonna get to the bottom
2166
1:44:56
1:44:58
as to why narrative is how it is
2167
1:44:58
1:45:01
when it's sometimes divorced from science.
2168
1:45:01
1:45:05
A lot of information is divorced from science,
2169
1:45:05
1:45:09
from scientific information in my opinion.
2170
1:45:10
1:45:11
Thanks.
2171
1:45:11
1:45:13
In terms of mild disease and control group,
2172
1:45:13
1:45:16
another giant mystery that makes no sense.
2173
1:45:16
1:45:19
We destroyed control group, it's gone.
2174
1:45:21
1:45:24
We will no longer be able to compare long-term effects
2175
1:45:24
1:45:29
of this clinical trial, which is how, why?
2176
1:45:30
1:45:31
That's no longer a clinical trial.
2177
1:45:31
1:45:34
We have a clinical trial that lasted a few months,
2178
1:45:34
1:45:35
boom, done, over.
2179
1:45:35
1:45:40
But I mean, that's the most basic principle of a trial
2180
1:45:40
1:45:41
is to have a control group.
2181
1:45:41
1:45:42
That's right.
2182
1:45:42
1:45:45
So if they've destroyed the control group, Cordelia,
2183
1:45:45
1:45:49
do you think that's evidence of criminal intent?
2184
1:45:49
1:45:51
Because I do.
2185
1:45:51
1:45:53
Well, yeah, agree with you because that's-
2186
1:45:54
1:45:57
It was argued on moral reasons though, right?
2187
1:45:57
1:46:01
And the moral reasons is because we saw 95% effectiveness,
2188
1:46:01
1:46:06
it would have been immoral to refuse this option
2189
1:46:06
1:46:07
to the control group.
2190
1:46:07
1:46:09
Although again, that doesn't make sense.
2191
1:46:11
1:46:13
No, it doesn't cut it.
2192
1:46:13
1:46:15
Because that's not how other clinical trials
2193
1:46:15
1:46:16
worked ever before, right?
2194
1:46:16
1:46:18
When you sign up for a clinical trial,
2195
1:46:18
1:46:21
you consent to the possibility
2196
1:46:21
1:46:23
that you might end up in a control group
2197
1:46:23
1:46:26
because that's why we have to find out what works
2198
1:46:26
1:46:28
and what are the long-term consequences.
2199
1:46:28
1:46:31
A thousand pieces on the moral grounds was used.
2200
1:46:31
1:46:32
But there's no-
2201
1:46:32
1:46:34
There's an ethical consideration for clinical trials
2202
1:46:34
1:46:38
where in the documentation there will be a opt-out
2203
1:46:38
1:46:43
that if the treatment was found to be wonderful,
2204
1:46:43
1:46:44
you will be offered it.
2205
1:46:44
1:46:49
That's not that uncommon for the actual control,
2206
1:46:49
1:46:51
for the actual randomized control trial.
2207
1:46:51
1:46:53
I think what Cordelia might be talking about
2208
1:46:53
1:46:55
is the control group in the general population,
2209
1:46:55
1:46:58
the fact that there's so few now unvaccinated people
2210
1:46:58
1:47:01
to act as a general control group
2211
1:47:01
1:47:03
for pharmacovigilance studies,
2212
1:47:03
1:47:05
which is what should have happened.
2213
1:47:06
1:47:08
I'll put my hand up as the control.
2214
1:47:10
1:47:12
Okay, thank you Cordelia.
2215
1:47:12
1:47:14
Excellent, excellent point.
2216
1:47:15
1:47:16
Mikolai Daria is next.
2217
1:47:16
1:47:19
She calls herself Dr. Obvious.
2218
1:47:20
1:47:22
Tell you why she's called Dr. Obvious.
2219
1:47:22
1:47:24
Daria's from the US.
2220
1:47:24
1:47:26
What part of the US, Daria?
2221
1:47:26
1:47:30
I live in Indiana, just south of Indianapolis,
2222
1:47:30
1:47:31
and I grew up near Chicago.
2223
1:47:33
1:47:36
And you're Dr. Obvious because?
2224
1:47:36
1:47:40
Because I'm an expert at seeing the obvious and stating it.
2225
1:47:41
1:47:42
Thank you.
2226
1:47:42
1:47:44
You're also a neurosurgeon, aren't you, Daria?
2227
1:47:44
1:47:45
Yes, I'm a retired neurosurgeon
2228
1:47:45
1:47:48
and a licensed pharmacist and licensed physician in Indiana.
2229
1:47:50
1:47:52
I've been retired for eight years now.
2230
1:47:54
1:47:57
You must have retired very young, Daria.
2231
1:47:58
1:47:59
Well, I hurt my hand.
2232
1:47:59
1:48:01
See the nerve damage left.
2233
1:48:01
1:48:03
I couldn't use my hands anymore in surgery
2234
1:48:03
1:48:04
because of nerve damage.
2235
1:48:04
1:48:07
So I had to have carpal tunnel surgery on both hands.
2236
1:48:08
1:48:12
And that happened in December of 2013.
2237
1:48:12
1:48:16
So yeah, I really wanted to operate for another 20 years,
2238
1:48:16
1:48:18
but 20 years was all bad days when you didn't do that job.
2239
1:48:18
1:48:23
So I'm on sabbatical right now, I suppose.
2240
1:48:25
1:48:26
Let's just call that.
2241
1:48:26
1:48:28
Yeah, Mikko, I thank you for coming today.
2242
1:48:28
1:48:31
This is fascinating, and I love your compassion
2243
1:48:31
1:48:36
and your, I'm not sure the best word for this,
2244
1:48:36
1:48:38
but just giving people the benefit of the doubt
2245
1:48:38
1:48:43
and wanting to believe they have good intentions.
2246
1:48:43
1:48:44
And that's great because it's a good starting point.
2247
1:48:44
1:48:46
That would be our null hypothesis
2248
1:48:46
1:48:50
in scientific methods, that all people are good
2249
1:48:50
1:48:52
and that all people want for the better,
2250
1:48:52
1:48:54
betterness of everyone, okay?
2251
1:48:54
1:48:56
But in this particular case,
2252
1:48:56
1:48:59
you had to make a mention earlier
2253
1:48:59
1:49:02
for there being something more than money going on here
2254
1:49:02
1:49:06
because you cannot justify geriatric genocide,
2255
1:49:10
1:49:15
massive chronic illness escalation just because of money.
2256
1:49:15
1:49:20
And when the recruitment of the government authorities
2257
1:49:20
1:49:24
at all levels, the professional institutions at all levels,
2258
1:49:24
1:49:29
even every social organization pushing vaccines,
2259
1:49:29
1:49:32
I'm utterly, I want to throw up,
2260
1:49:32
1:49:36
hearing the Vatican endorsing vaccines made with,
2261
1:49:37
1:49:40
tested either with or developed with
2262
1:49:40
1:49:44
aborted baby live cells, that's a deal breaker.
2263
1:49:44
1:49:46
And the same thing with the Latter-day Saints
2264
1:49:46
1:49:49
or the Mormons, same thing happened with them,
2265
1:49:49
1:49:50
pushing the vaccine.
2266
1:49:50
1:49:52
And again, when you mentioned the fear piece,
2267
1:49:52
1:49:57
remember that fear piece was driven deliberately by,
2268
1:49:57
1:49:58
and I said this two years ago,
2269
1:49:58
1:50:02
I said this is criminal negligent homicide
2270
1:50:02
1:50:07
to refuse any and all early treatment to anyone who's sick.
2271
1:50:08
1:50:09
Normally a family doctor,
2272
1:50:09
1:50:12
if somebody came in with an upper respiratory illness
2273
1:50:12
1:50:16
would empirically give them some inhaled steroids,
2274
1:50:16
1:50:19
empirically give them oral antibiotics.
2275
1:50:19
1:50:20
Sure they take the specimen,
2276
1:50:20
1:50:22
but they don't send them home to wait
2277
1:50:22
1:50:24
for the test result to come back.
2278
1:50:24
1:50:27
There's utterly no clinical precedent
2279
1:50:27
1:50:29
or any justification whatsoever as a doctor.
2280
1:50:29
1:50:32
I mean, if this were any other time
2281
1:50:32
1:50:35
and that stupid prep act hadn't been signed by Trump,
2282
1:50:35
1:50:38
now practice lawyers would be having a field day,
2283
1:50:38
1:50:40
but no, they will all went to hibernate.
2284
1:50:40
1:50:43
And I brought this question up when we had RFK Jr. out
2285
1:50:43
1:50:47
and he emphasized the fact that almost all liability
2286
1:50:47
1:50:52
for negligence, et cetera, was lifted for hospitals,
2287
1:50:53
1:50:56
for doctors, for the drug companies
2288
1:50:56
1:50:59
to behave in this malevolent way.
2289
1:50:59
1:51:01
And I think Steven, you used the word malfeasance,
2290
1:51:01
1:51:02
which is what it is.
2291
1:51:02
1:51:07
And to me, having all these disparate groups
2292
1:51:07
1:51:08
do this for money,
2293
1:51:08
1:51:11
and obviously the mandates now for pushing vaccines
2294
1:51:11
1:51:16
in hospitals are because of Medicare and Medicaid services,
2295
1:51:16
1:51:19
CMS, in other words, if you take Medicaid money,
2296
1:51:19
1:51:22
you have to make sure all your employees are jabbed.
2297
1:51:22
1:51:25
And I'm telling you these big corporations
2298
1:51:26
1:51:29
that have non-disclosure agreements for their employees
2299
1:51:29
1:51:32
are actually telling their employees
2300
1:51:32
1:51:35
that even if they have a legitimate exemption,
2301
1:51:35
1:51:38
they're going to decide whether to honor it or not.
2302
1:51:39
1:51:41
In other words, religious or medical.
2303
1:51:41
1:51:44
In other words, no, if you have an exemption, you say no,
2304
1:51:44
1:51:45
you shouldn't have to like write a thesis
2305
1:51:45
1:51:49
as to why you're saying no to justify it.
2306
1:51:49
1:51:50
And the Supreme Court even said,
2307
1:51:50
1:51:52
if they have a medical or religious exemption,
2308
1:51:52
1:51:54
they're exempt, period.
2309
1:51:54
1:51:56
And yet that's not being honored.
2310
1:51:56
1:51:59
So I think there is something more going on.
2311
1:51:59
1:52:01
And you're right, we can't speculate about it,
2312
1:52:01
1:52:04
but pretty much no people buy their fruit
2313
1:52:04
1:52:07
if they're behaving in a way that is not compassionate,
2314
1:52:07
1:52:12
not beneficial, is directly harmful.
2315
1:52:12
1:52:16
They're causing harm and bargaining and blockading access
2316
1:52:16
1:52:20
to ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine with,
2317
1:52:20
1:52:21
what is it, over hundreds and hundreds,
2318
1:52:21
1:52:25
maybe thousands by now, place for showing the benefit.
2319
1:52:25
1:52:30
That is basically like forcing someone
2320
1:52:30
1:52:32
to leave their door unlocked
2321
1:52:32
1:52:35
and then unleashing a gang of robbers on the neighborhood.
2322
1:52:36
1:52:38
You know, you're setting people up to be victims.
2323
1:52:38
1:52:40
And ironically, that actually happened
2324
1:52:40
1:52:44
when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.
2325
1:52:44
1:52:44
And they actually did that.
2326
1:52:44
1:52:46
The police came in and disarmed the few people
2327
1:52:46
1:52:49
that were still home that were protecting themselves
2328
1:52:49
1:52:52
with their handguns and a video had gone around
2329
1:52:52
1:52:55
showing the police wrestling an old revolver
2330
1:52:55
1:52:57
out of an 80-year-old lady's hand,
2331
1:52:57
1:53:00
pinning her up against the wall and taking her gun.
2332
1:53:00
1:53:02
It was the only thing keeping people out of her house.
2333
1:53:02
1:53:05
And shortly after they left, she was robbed.
2334
1:53:05
1:53:08
So that's what's happening here.
2335
1:53:08
1:53:11
As soon as those doctors started to refuse treatment,
2336
1:53:11
1:53:14
and to this day are still bad mouthing
2337
1:53:14
1:53:16
the early treatment regimens,
2338
1:53:16
1:53:17
including empiric treatment
2339
1:53:17
1:53:19
that they routinely used all the time
2340
1:53:19
1:53:23
for other upper respiratory unspecified infections.
2341
1:53:23
1:53:26
During flu season, during cold season,
2342
1:53:26
1:53:28
you know, whatever you wanna call it, bronchitis.
2343
1:53:28
1:53:30
Now they're refusing to give you anything.
2344
1:53:30
1:53:33
They're all going to hell if they don't repent.
2345
1:53:33
1:53:34
I'll tell you that right now.
2346
1:53:34
1:53:38
And so no, that is the evidence, if you will,
2347
1:53:38
1:53:41
circumstantial evidence, and I'm not a lawyer,
2348
1:53:41
1:53:43
circumstantial evidence to me
2349
1:53:43
1:53:46
that there's harmful intent here
2350
1:53:46
1:53:49
above and beyond monetary recompense.
2351
1:53:49
1:53:54
Especially since a lot of these decisions otherwise
2352
1:53:54
1:53:56
are harmful to the businesses,
2353
1:53:56
1:53:59
they're harmful to the hospitals, they're harmful.
2354
1:53:59
1:54:02
In other words, these big established entities
2355
1:54:02
1:54:04
are getting hurt monetarily as well.
2356
1:54:04
1:54:06
Maybe not the hospitals as much,
2357
1:54:06
1:54:09
if their reimbursement, the blood money they're getting
2358
1:54:09
1:54:12
for letting people die and pushing their death out.
2359
1:54:12
1:54:15
Killing them more likely.
2360
1:54:15
1:54:16
Yeah, it's murder.
2361
1:54:16
1:54:18
I'm calling them slaughterhouses, okay?
2362
1:54:18
1:54:19
Hospitals have become slaughterhouses
2363
1:54:19
1:54:21
when they're pushing this stuff.
2364
1:54:21
1:54:24
And so I guess I'm asking you,
2365
1:54:24
1:54:26
if you take it in consideration
2366
1:54:26
1:54:30
and look at that totality of behaviors,
2367
1:54:30
1:54:35
does that in any way affect your null hypothesis
2368
1:54:35
1:54:37
of the presumption that people are basically good
2369
1:54:37
1:54:39
and acting with good intention?
2370
1:54:39
1:54:41
We can take this all the way back to Dr. Malone,
2371
1:54:41
1:54:44
because one thing, even if somebody is evil,
2372
1:54:44
1:54:47
especially like in the Bible, they talk about
2373
1:54:47
1:54:50
the devil stating his intentions ahead of time
2374
1:54:50
1:54:52
and that we see this a lot in people
2375
1:54:52
1:54:54
that have malicious intent,
2376
1:54:54
1:54:57
like the World Economic Foundation.
2377
1:54:57
1:54:59
They've always stated what their plans are.
2378
1:54:59
1:55:03
You'd be fool not to listen to them.
2379
1:55:03
1:55:06
So whether Dr. Malone is a white hat,
2380
1:55:06
1:55:11
a black hat or a gray hat character, it doesn't matter.
2381
1:55:11
1:55:14
He has very intelligent, he's done a lot of hard science,
2382
1:55:14
1:55:17
but what that told me at that Senate hearing
2383
1:55:17
1:55:19
when he interrupted the other physician
2384
1:55:19
1:55:23
is he was that uncomfortable about what that doctor
2385
1:55:23
1:55:28
was saying to try and get him to divert the discussion away
2386
1:55:29
1:55:31
from that important evidence.
2387
1:55:31
1:55:32
And I don't know about you,
2388
1:55:32
1:55:34
but when somebody tries to shout me down,
2389
1:55:34
1:55:36
I look at him twice as hard.
2390
1:55:36
1:55:38
And I think everybody looked at Dr. Malone twice as hard
2391
1:55:38
1:55:39
when he did that.
2392
1:55:39
1:55:41
And what I'd like to know is,
2393
1:55:41
1:55:45
is there some internal correspondence, research, et cetera,
2394
1:55:45
1:55:47
that Dr. Malone was involved in
2395
1:55:47
1:55:52
that is now going to implicate his work directly?
2396
1:55:52
1:55:55
Besides, we know about the spike pro, not the spike pro,
2397
1:55:55
1:55:59
but the mRNA and also it looks like some of those papers
2398
1:55:59
1:56:03
he worked on had to do with the nanoparticles.
2399
1:56:03
1:56:06
So was it by intent or not?
2400
1:56:06
1:56:08
Most researchers are compartmentalized.
2401
1:56:08
1:56:10
They ask the Defense Department.
2402
1:56:10
1:56:14
They'll look back to the Manhattan Project.
2403
1:56:14
1:56:16
Nobody really knew what the other guy was doing.
2404
1:56:16
1:56:17
They didn't all know they were working on
2405
1:56:17
1:56:21
a world-changing deadly weapon.
2406
1:56:22
1:56:24
Yet they were all doing their little parts.
2407
1:56:24
1:56:28
And only the DOD brass really knew the whole story.
2408
1:56:31
1:56:33
Even Oppenheimer, I think he kind of knew what was going on.
2409
1:56:33
1:56:36
But when that first test bomb went off,
2410
1:56:37
1:56:39
he quoted the great line,
2411
1:56:39
1:56:42
"'I am Death, the Destroyer of Worlds',"
2412
1:56:42
1:56:43
or something like that.
2413
1:56:43
1:56:45
And so again, sometimes,
2414
1:56:45
1:56:46
and I think maybe one of the things
2415
1:56:46
1:56:48
that's affecting Dr. Malone now
2416
1:56:48
1:56:50
is that he realizes how bad it was,
2417
1:56:50
1:56:53
but he also realizes now that he's gonna at some point,
2418
1:56:53
1:56:57
potentially be the scapegoat.
2419
1:56:58
1:57:01
And I think that's why he's walking a fine line right now
2420
1:57:01
1:57:02
and you can see the stress on him.
2421
1:57:02
1:57:05
I don't know if anybody's a body language reader here,
2422
1:57:05
1:57:09
but he's barely holding it together in my opinion.
2423
1:57:09
1:57:11
And that's just an opinion on my part.
2424
1:57:11
1:57:13
But I don't think he wants to be,
2425
1:57:13
1:57:15
if he was controlled opposition,
2426
1:57:15
1:57:17
I don't know particularly that he wants to be,
2427
1:57:17
1:57:20
but he's very,
2428
1:57:20
1:57:21
let's just say he's conflicted.
2429
1:57:21
1:57:23
And if he has a gray hat, that makes sense.
2430
1:57:23
1:57:27
But I got a feeling when people's past deeds
2431
1:57:27
1:57:29
come back to haunt them,
2432
1:57:29
1:57:31
they're going to behave in different ways.
2433
1:57:31
1:57:36
And how many people don't repent
2434
1:57:36
1:57:38
until they're on their deathbed?
2435
1:57:38
1:57:41
There's even a term for it, deathbed confession.
2436
1:57:41
1:57:46
So again, I just wanna know if going forward,
2437
1:57:47
1:57:48
and you had your null hypothesis,
2438
1:57:48
1:57:51
it's almost like of people being good,
2439
1:57:51
1:57:52
we want everybody to be good.
2440
1:57:52
1:57:55
But unfortunately, I think we're all flawed
2441
1:57:57
1:58:02
and we're all susceptible to not being virtuous at all times
2442
1:58:03
1:58:05
and some embrace this, but it's really scary
2443
1:58:05
1:58:09
because if you take away anything that would be
2444
1:58:09
1:58:13
sort of a curb on bad behavior and bad intent,
2445
1:58:13
1:58:16
like liability, for example,
2446
1:58:16
1:58:20
and you also release any barriers
2447
1:58:21
1:58:24
to someone's lack of a conscience,
2448
1:58:24
1:58:29
there is a possibility that they will become
2449
1:58:29
1:58:33
actively and happily participating in the death of someone,
2450
1:58:33
1:58:35
let's say in a hospital or suffering.
2451
1:58:35
1:58:36
And it's not all the nurses,
2452
1:58:36
1:58:38
there's a lot of upset nurses right now and doctors,
2453
1:58:38
1:58:39
a lot of them leave,
2454
1:58:39
1:58:42
but the ones that stay behind to help
2455
1:58:42
1:58:43
are getting stressed out as well.
2456
1:58:44
1:58:48
And why, here's another question.
2457
1:58:53
1:58:55
Sounds like a good idea, I'm sorry, I always do this,
2458
1:58:55
1:58:57
that's why Charles like, oh God, sorry again.
2459
1:58:57
1:58:59
Anyway, on the surface, it sounds like a good idea
2460
1:58:59
1:59:04
that you'd wanna inject all the nurses and hospital staff
2461
1:59:04
1:59:06
at the beginning of a plague
2462
1:59:06
1:59:08
because the hospitalized patients
2463
1:59:08
1:59:10
are gonna be the more susceptible populations.
2464
1:59:10
1:59:12
But now we're seeing personality changes,
2465
1:59:12
1:59:16
behavioral changes in people and affect changes
2466
1:59:16
1:59:20
that could potentially affect that natural compassion
2467
1:59:20
1:59:24
that they had in conscience that kept them ethical.
2468
1:59:24
1:59:27
So again, that's something else we need to keep in mind
2469
1:59:27
1:59:29
and whoever's gonna research this,
2470
1:59:29
1:59:33
I'd love to see that neuropsychiatric damage
2471
1:59:33
1:59:38
caused by the vaccine central nervous system attack,
2472
1:59:38
1:59:39
part of this.
2473
1:59:40
1:59:41
Can I interject and say,
2474
1:59:45
1:59:47
it's only a good idea to inject nurses and doctors
2475
1:59:47
1:59:49
if they want to be injected
2476
1:59:49
1:59:51
because they can make a risk assessment for their own body
2477
1:59:51
1:59:56
and they are always at higher risk from the public
2478
1:59:57
1:59:58
than they are to the public.
2479
1:59:58
2:00:01
So it was always ethically the wrong thing to do
2480
2:00:01
2:00:04
to force doctors and nurses
2481
2:00:04
2:00:06
into having an investigational therapy
2482
2:00:07
2:00:11
that was not proven to reduce the risk to other people.
2483
2:00:12
2:00:13
I just said to Charles,
2484
2:00:13
2:00:15
just a couple of other people with hands up,
2485
2:00:15
2:00:18
I don't know if we might have to go soon.
2486
2:00:18
2:00:20
So let's start to say hello.
2487
2:00:21
2:00:25
Can I just jump in super quick for the doctors in the crowd?
2488
2:00:25
2:00:30
I recently published an article about the idea
2489
2:00:30
2:00:35
as to when we should consider basically
2490
2:00:36
2:00:39
not forcing mandates as medical doctors.
2491
2:00:39
2:00:42
And this came strictly from the people
2492
2:00:42
2:00:46
who have reached out to me and the issues they experienced.
2493
2:00:46
2:00:48
So I was wondering if I could share that.
2494
2:00:48
2:00:49
It's a short article,
2495
2:00:49
2:00:53
basically when to consider exemptions against mandates.
2496
2:00:53
2:00:56
And there's medical doctors who would wanna let me know
2497
2:00:56
2:00:58
if this is foolish or not.
2498
2:00:58
2:01:00
Nikolai, before you do,
2499
2:01:00
2:01:03
Peter Huga who has to go is in the UK.
2500
2:01:04
2:01:07
He's got a specific question in chat.
2501
2:01:07
2:01:10
Could you have, or Sam?
2502
2:01:10
2:01:14
The one just a moment ago?
2504
2:01:19
2:01:20
He said-
2505
2:01:20
2:01:23
Okay, so could I catch the illness
2506
2:01:23
2:01:27
from a dead body spiking after death?
2507
2:01:27
2:01:32
So this one, I don't know,
2508
2:01:32
2:01:36
but here's the very weird observation
2509
2:01:36
2:01:39
that I got from the video
2510
2:01:39
2:01:42
I just recently made on menstrual cycles.
2511
2:01:42
2:01:45
And there's been dozens of women who commented
2512
2:01:45
2:01:46
that their menstrual cycle was affected
2513
2:01:46
2:01:49
by being in vicinity, proximity,
2514
2:01:49
2:01:52
prolonged proximity of vaccinated people.
2515
2:01:52
2:01:57
Mix biologically, how do you, of course, explain that?
2516
2:01:57
2:01:59
Could there be a transfer of information?
2517
2:01:59
2:02:02
In theory there is because, look,
2518
2:02:02
2:02:06
your existence does not stop with your physical body.
2519
2:02:06
2:02:09
It extends beyond your body.
2520
2:02:09
2:02:11
For example, you have a bacterial cloud around you
2521
2:02:11
2:02:15
that extends probably like a meter outside your body.
2522
2:02:15
2:02:18
There's chemicals that extend outside your body
2523
2:02:18
2:02:19
that your body produce.
2524
2:02:19
2:02:22
So you actually, you have a cloud,
2525
2:02:22
2:02:26
chemical cloud around you that talks
2526
2:02:26
2:02:28
and it has a specific message.
2527
2:02:28
2:02:32
And others can come and in theory,
2528
2:02:32
2:02:35
start interacting with that cloud and reading it.
2529
2:02:35
2:02:39
In theory, we know we have a chemical cloud around us.
2530
2:02:39
2:02:42
I don't know to what degree can we read that chemical cloud?
2531
2:02:42
2:02:46
So then could we somehow be able to passing
2532
2:02:46
2:02:50
on information related to presence of the spike protein
2533
2:02:50
2:02:50
and reacting to it?
2534
2:02:50
2:02:54
Obviously, I don't know, there's completely no proof to it
2535
2:02:54
2:02:57
with the exception of these bizarre anecdotal statements
2536
2:02:57
2:03:00
from women how their menstrual cycle has been affected
2537
2:03:00
2:03:03
or their menses has been affected just strictly
2538
2:03:03
2:03:06
by being with their vaccinated partners
2539
2:03:06
2:03:08
while they remain unvaccinated.
2540
2:03:08
2:03:09
Very weird.
2541
2:03:09
2:03:13
So I don't know if anyone has a comment on that.
2542
2:03:13
2:03:16
I just wanted to bring up to you that that's what I've heard
2543
2:03:16
2:03:19
a lot in the comments to that YouTube video.
2544
2:03:19
2:03:24
Okay, before Peter goes, has anyone got a specific view
2545
2:03:24
2:03:26
on that otherwise Peter go to bed
2546
2:03:26
2:03:31
because he's recovering and unwell Peter, is that helpful?
2547
2:03:32
2:03:32
Yeah, thanks Charles.
2548
2:03:32
2:03:34
Yeah, I wouldn't have asked the question
2549
2:03:34
2:03:36
if I didn't think it was genuine.
2550
2:03:36
2:03:39
I deal in facts as well.
2551
2:03:39
2:03:44
And all I know is that, as I say, seven days ago,
2552
2:03:44
2:03:47
I was in this van for five hours and I went down like a stone
2553
2:03:47
2:03:51
and I've infected everybody around me, my whole family.
2554
2:03:52
2:03:54
And I'm around dead bodies all the time
2555
2:03:54
2:03:57
because I work for funeral directors.
2556
2:03:57
2:03:59
And normally they're bagged, body bagged,
2557
2:03:59
2:04:01
they're covered, we're careful.
2558
2:04:01
2:04:05
I was sent in the wrong van this day, there was no divider
2559
2:04:05
2:04:08
and the funeral directors that supplied the body,
2560
2:04:08
2:04:12
I found out they just put a porous sheet over the body.
2561
2:04:12
2:04:14
So as I was driving and the aircon was pumping
2562
2:04:14
2:04:18
around this van, I'm sitting in it and eating my sandwiches.
2563
2:04:18
2:04:22
And I just think it's too much of a coincidence.
2564
2:04:22
2:04:24
The way I went down and I've had flu before,
2565
2:04:24
2:04:26
this completely wiped me out.
2566
2:04:26
2:04:27
So thank you very much.
2567
2:04:27
2:04:29
I'm happy in the knowledge.
2568
2:04:29
2:04:34
I believe that I was surrounded by a cloud that day.
2569
2:04:34
2:04:35
Thank you.
2570
2:04:35
2:04:39
Charles, Arianna Love is on the call, I think,
2571
2:04:39
2:04:43
and would like to ask a question about gene deletion.
2572
2:04:43
2:04:45
Well, we'll get to that in a moment.
2573
2:04:45
2:04:46
We just have to be a bit quick.
2574
2:04:46
2:04:48
Darius question has to be answered.
2575
2:04:48
2:04:50
Mickalai wants to share something in this blend,
2576
2:04:50
2:04:54
but Arianna, we'll be finished in the next 15 minutes,
2577
2:04:54
2:04:55
everybody.
2578
2:04:55
2:04:57
Sorry, the formalities.
2579
2:04:57
2:05:00
So Mickalai, you're gonna share something?
2580
2:05:00
2:05:05
Yeah, so here's an article that it's already up on my blog.
2581
2:05:05
2:05:07
If there's any medical doctors who would wanna see
2582
2:05:07
2:05:09
if there's any goof ups there,
2583
2:05:09
2:05:10
because I'm not a medical doctor,
2584
2:05:10
2:05:15
but this is my response to basically the collective trauma
2585
2:05:15
2:05:18
I've been now exposed to as a consequence
2586
2:05:18
2:05:21
of the YouTube channel going viral
2587
2:05:21
2:05:26
and why mandates never ever having any exemptions
2588
2:05:28
2:05:30
should never be allowed.
2589
2:05:30
2:05:33
And these are some propositions as to when exemptions
2590
2:05:33
2:05:34
should be considered.
2591
2:05:34
2:05:38
And I just, because I wrote it and I'm a scientist,
2592
2:05:38
2:05:41
not a medical doctor, if there's anyone who would volunteer
2593
2:05:41
2:05:43
to wanna read it in case there's any goof ups there
2594
2:05:43
2:05:45
that I could fix, let me know.
2595
2:05:45
2:05:47
If it's good, then it's all good.
2596
2:05:47
2:05:52
Mickalai, I don't think I have your email address.
2597
2:05:54
2:05:56
Could you send it to me directly
2598
2:05:56
2:06:00
or you can put it out in the chat maybe, I don't know.
2599
2:06:00
2:06:02
Put it in the chat and Daria has got time
2600
2:06:02
2:06:05
to consider your paper as well, Mickalai.
2601
2:06:05
2:06:09
So Daria, I'm sure we'll look at that.
2602
2:06:09
2:06:11
Now, Sam, you have to go and do some surgery.
2603
2:06:11
2:06:13
Do you wanna say a quick goodbye
2604
2:06:13
2:06:15
because you do have to jump?
2605
2:06:15
2:06:17
And we will finish in 15 minutes,
2606
2:06:17
2:06:20
for melodies and pub time.
2608
2:06:21
2:06:22
I'll just hang around in the background.
2609
2:06:22
2:06:26
I'm working from home because we're in a pandemic
2610
2:06:27
2:06:29
and it's really dangerous to go outside.
2611
2:06:29
2:06:33
So today, it's my Advent Day.
2612
2:06:33
2:06:36
And because the rules are such that it's really scary
2613
2:06:36
2:06:41
and dangerous to go outside, then I'm working from home.
2614
2:06:41
2:06:44
In the middle of summer in Australia, absolutely.
2615
2:06:45
2:06:46
I must apologize
2616
2:06:46
2:06:48
because I shouldn't really be wearing an N95 mask
2617
2:06:48
2:06:49
for this Zoom.
2618
2:06:51
2:06:53
Don't take my bad habits to heart, will you?
2619
2:06:55
2:06:56
Very good.
2620
2:06:56
2:06:58
Okay, so thank you for posting that.
2621
2:06:58
2:07:00
So Mickalai, you will get some answers.
2622
2:07:00
2:07:02
Daria's question.
2623
2:07:02
2:07:04
Charles, could Daria ask her questions
2624
2:07:04
2:07:06
because they're highly relevant
2625
2:07:06
2:07:08
to these two genomics guys.
2626
2:07:08
2:07:13
Yes, so Daria asked you the question, Mickalai.
2627
2:07:14
2:07:16
Probably forgotten by now.
2628
2:07:16
2:07:18
Quick Daria before we get to Glenn and Tom
2629
2:07:18
2:07:20
and Theresa and Ariana.
2630
2:07:23
2:07:28
Just real quick, looking at the totality of,
2631
2:07:31
2:07:33
sorry, I had to find that word.
2632
2:07:33
2:07:37
Totality of all the events globally,
2633
2:07:37
2:07:40
the effects on society, the coordinated media assault.
2635
2:07:46
2:07:49
that Matthias Desmet described.
2636
2:07:50
2:07:51
We used to call it hypnosis.
2637
2:07:51
2:07:56
It's basically hurting everybody off a cliff out of fear.
2638
2:07:58
2:08:01
Yeah, anyway, taking that into consideration,
2639
2:08:01
2:08:06
is there more of a possibility than not in these cases
2640
2:08:07
2:08:11
that malicious intent should be even sought out
2641
2:08:11
2:08:14
in terms of seeing, maybe they need to prove
2642
2:08:14
2:08:17
they're doing this altruistically and not maliciously.
2643
2:08:17
2:08:18
I mean, that's my question.
2644
2:08:18
2:08:20
Maybe we have the wrong null hypothesis
2645
2:08:20
2:08:21
and have to flip it.
2647
2:08:24
2:08:29
Assume everybody's evil and prove that they're good
2648
2:08:30
2:08:31
by their.
2649
2:08:31
2:08:36
Obviously I'm not naive about what kind of crimes
2650
2:08:36
2:08:41
against humanity people can commit because I'm Polish.
2651
2:08:41
2:08:44
So I will take this pandemic anytime
2652
2:08:44
2:08:47
in comparison to what my grandparents had to go through.
2653
2:08:47
2:08:52
So I'm fully aware how evil humanity can be to one another.
2654
2:08:53
2:08:56
So, and despite that, I still think
2655
2:08:56
2:09:01
what we are witnessing is more based on stupidity
2656
2:09:03
2:09:08
due to fear and greed, but I could be wrong
2657
2:09:09
2:09:14
because at the time when the worst crimes were happening,
2658
2:09:14
2:09:17
imaginable in my own home country,
2659
2:09:17
2:09:19
the rest of the world would be like,
2660
2:09:19
2:09:20
no, that's not even possible.
2661
2:09:22
2:09:24
All right, so I'm going to take this one.
2662
2:09:24
2:09:26
I think anything's possible.
2663
2:09:26
2:09:27
All right, thank you.
2664
2:09:27
2:09:29
I think anything's possible.
2665
2:09:29
2:09:30
Thank you.
2666
2:09:30
2:09:30
Thank you.
2667
2:09:30
2:09:31
Very good, Nikolai.
2668
2:09:31
2:09:32
Great questions.
2670
2:09:33
2:09:36
Hi, I want to look forward.
2671
2:09:36
2:09:40
Nikolai, you mentioned around mopping up the damage.
2672
2:09:40
2:09:42
And so from a forward looking viewpoint,
2673
2:09:42
2:09:44
I'm curious if you think there are a variety of things
2674
2:09:44
2:09:48
that we could do to dampen the damage that's going on now
2675
2:09:48
2:09:50
with the vaccine injured.
2676
2:09:50
2:09:52
But before you answer that,
2677
2:09:52
2:09:55
on a simple case, especially since you've been working
2678
2:09:55
2:09:58
on testing mechanisms, do you believe that there are
2679
2:09:58
2:10:01
substantially better tests available now
2680
2:10:01
2:10:06
for measuring both spike protein in humans,
2681
2:10:06
2:10:11
as well as properly measuring the virus?
2682
2:10:11
2:10:15
We know we have so many bad results
2683
2:10:15
2:10:18
that completely contaminate the data
2684
2:10:18
2:10:20
and make most of the data sets terrible.
2685
2:10:20
2:10:24
Do you believe that anyone has gotten a much better test
2686
2:10:24
2:10:25
that could have been effective?
2687
2:10:26
2:10:29
I think PCR test is a fantastic test.
2688
2:10:29
2:10:31
It's just been not used properly.
2689
2:10:31
2:10:36
So it's a matter of how it should have been used,
2690
2:10:36
2:10:40
meaning we don't go beyond certain CT threshold cycles
2691
2:10:40
2:10:42
because you never see virus isolated
2692
2:10:42
2:10:45
beyond certain CT threshold cycles.
2693
2:10:45
2:10:48
We should have appropriately understood
2694
2:10:48
2:10:51
what the false positive rate of any test is
2695
2:10:51
2:10:54
that's never been documented at all.
2696
2:10:54
2:10:58
And we also should have understood that
2697
2:10:58
2:11:01
the positive result is only likely to be positive
2698
2:11:01
2:11:04
within a given period of time,
2699
2:11:04
2:11:07
as opposed to being able to grab a remnant
2700
2:11:07
2:11:11
of a viral genetic information post infection
2701
2:11:11
2:11:12
when you're no longer infectious.
2702
2:11:12
2:11:16
So if we simply chose smarter parameters
2703
2:11:16
2:11:20
of use of this test, this test would have been very, very good.
2704
2:11:20
2:11:22
All right, let's not go too long on that.
2705
2:11:22
2:11:26
I'm more interested in what you might have for ideas
2706
2:11:26
2:11:29
of how we can mop up, whether there's anything from
2707
2:11:31
2:11:35
kinds of better testing or kind of alternative mechanisms
2708
2:11:35
2:11:38
that might reduce the amount of negative impact
2709
2:11:38
2:11:42
from the vaccines that could help,
2710
2:11:42
2:11:46
either after the fact, vaccine injured,
2711
2:11:46
2:11:49
or things that could be done ahead of vaccines
2712
2:11:49
2:11:51
to dampen the damage.
2713
2:11:52
2:11:57
Yeah, the ironic thing is that in my thinking,
2714
2:11:57
2:12:00
your best way to move forward
2715
2:12:00
2:12:05
is to ensure you practice high quality lifestyle.
2716
2:12:05
2:12:08
There's not going to be much you can do really
2717
2:12:08
2:12:13
in terms of how you've already programmed your immune system
2718
2:12:13
2:12:15
and being able to remove
2719
2:12:15
2:12:18
if you still have spike protein circulating in you,
2720
2:12:18
2:12:23
but you can still affect your quality of your immune system.
2721
2:12:23
2:12:27
And that is always quality of lifestyle.
2722
2:12:27
2:12:30
So I'm in medical DNA testing.
2723
2:12:30
2:12:32
And I would always say, if you want to protect yourself,
2724
2:12:32
2:12:36
first and foremost, exercise, don't smoke, diet.
2725
2:12:36
2:12:38
Those are your biggest factors you can do
2726
2:12:39
2:12:41
to influence the quality of your lifestyle.
2727
2:12:41
2:12:43
And we all can be responsible for that.
2728
2:12:43
2:12:46
And then I say, buy critical illness insurance.
2729
2:12:46
2:12:48
And then finally I say, do DNA testing.
2730
2:12:50
2:12:52
Those are the facets that I think of how we,
2731
2:12:52
2:12:57
each one of us could, we can do to preemptively
2732
2:12:57
2:12:59
and proactively protect our health.
2733
2:12:59
2:13:03
And in this case, so yeah, take care of your food, exercise.
2734
2:13:03
2:13:08
And you can still build up your innate immune system.
2735
2:13:09
2:13:13
So when the waves are down, interact with people, right?
2736
2:13:13
2:13:18
And so you can always have proper contact
2737
2:13:18
2:13:21
and stimulate the immune system.
2738
2:13:21
2:13:24
But apart from having some magic pill
2739
2:13:24
2:13:29
that can start changing things, I'm not aware of anything.
2740
2:13:29
2:13:30
So apart from the very, very basics
2741
2:13:30
2:13:32
that we all sort of already know,
2742
2:13:32
2:13:35
and we all should be practicing,
2743
2:13:35
2:13:39
but discipline is really challenging aspect
2744
2:13:39
2:13:41
to gain in life.
2746
2:13:43
2:13:44
Thank you.
2747
2:13:44
2:13:45
Thank you, Glenn, for the question.
2748
2:13:45
2:13:47
Tom, the Rodman.
2749
2:13:49
2:13:54
Okay, this is on behalf of another member, another doctor.
2750
2:13:54
2:13:56
Last week we were supplied with-
2751
2:13:56
2:13:59
By the way, Tommy, your volume is very low.
2752
2:13:59
2:14:01
Can you increase your output, please?
2753
2:14:01
2:14:02
You're good on settings.
2754
2:14:02
2:14:03
Thank you.
2755
2:14:07
2:14:09
Is this better?
2756
2:14:09
2:14:10
Yes, thank you.
2757
2:14:10
2:14:12
Okay, hopefully it will stay up.
2758
2:14:12
2:14:16
So there's a military doctor that's,
2759
2:14:16
2:14:20
has been in this group for several calls.
2760
2:14:20
2:14:24
And he refers to an August 2020 scientific paper,
2761
2:14:24
2:14:27
which I'll post again in the chat.
2762
2:14:28
2:14:31
So let me just, I'm just copying it.
2763
2:14:33
2:14:35
Okay, it's my clipboard.
2764
2:14:35
2:14:39
And so take, so there it is.
2765
2:14:39
2:14:43
And I've deliberately, I have not shared that
2766
2:14:43
2:14:47
because it seems pretty out there,
2767
2:14:48
2:14:53
but it is from the National Library of Medicine, PubMed,
2768
2:14:53
2:14:55
and it's two or three pages.
2769
2:14:55
2:14:59
And from what I understand from this doctor,
2770
2:14:59
2:15:04
the spike protein has an S1 and an S2.
2771
2:15:04
2:15:06
It's like a dumbbell shaped.
2772
2:15:06
2:15:09
And I haven't even looked up what an ACE2 receptor is.
2773
2:15:09
2:15:11
So I have this cartoon model.
2774
2:15:11
2:15:14
It's not in any way correct,
2775
2:15:14
2:15:19
but there are acronyms for the various population types,
2776
2:15:21
2:15:26
like Asians and Europeans and Africans.
2777
2:15:27
2:15:31
And so these, the paper addresses
2778
2:15:31
2:15:36
the relative electrostatic attraction
2779
2:15:36
2:15:41
between the ACE2 receptor and the spike protein.
2780
2:15:41
2:15:46
So I haven't done a lot of web searching
2781
2:15:47
2:15:49
just to really vet this.
2782
2:15:49
2:15:51
There hasn't been, I haven't made the time for it.
2783
2:15:51
2:15:54
So do you have any comments on that?
2784
2:15:54
2:15:56
And then the other-
2785
2:15:56
2:15:59
The comments on what exactly?
2786
2:15:59
2:16:00
Well, on the-
2787
2:16:01
2:16:03
Electrostatic charge interaction?
2788
2:16:03
2:16:07
Yeah, well, no, the ratio like-
2789
2:16:07
2:16:10
Oh, there is a definite difference.
2790
2:16:10
2:16:11
We know this already.
2791
2:16:11
2:16:13
It's been very well studied.
2792
2:16:13
2:16:18
Not only, and so there is a difference in distribution.
2793
2:16:18
2:16:22
I have a blog article on that from early on in a pandemic.
2794
2:16:22
2:16:24
There's a difference in distribution or expression
2795
2:16:24
2:16:29
of ACE2 in populations and different ethnicities
2796
2:16:29
2:16:31
can express it at different levels.
2797
2:16:31
2:16:32
That's true.
2798
2:16:32
2:16:37
And perhaps not surprisingly Caucasian populations
2799
2:16:38
2:16:40
are the ones that have been hit harder
2800
2:16:40
2:16:42
than the Asian populations.
2801
2:16:42
2:16:44
We express more of ACE2 at appears,
2802
2:16:44
2:16:45
as well as Temporis,
2803
2:16:45
2:16:47
which is the enzyme required
2804
2:16:47
2:16:49
in order to cleave spike protein.
2805
2:16:49
2:16:51
Remember when I said that the head rips off?
2806
2:16:51
2:16:53
Once it didn't rise, the ACE2 receptor,
2807
2:16:53
2:16:56
the head will come off to reveal the arms,
2808
2:16:56
2:16:58
these alien arms underneath
2809
2:16:58
2:17:00
that will eventually unfold and grab the cell.
2810
2:17:00
2:17:04
Well, you need a cut in order for that head to come off.
2811
2:17:04
2:17:07
That's done by an enzyme called Temporis2.
2812
2:17:07
2:17:10
Again, certain ethnicities express that,
2813
2:17:10
2:17:13
more of that protein on their cell surfaces than others.
2814
2:17:13
2:17:17
So there's definitely genetic component involved
2815
2:17:17
2:17:22
in how susceptible you could be to infection than others.
2816
2:17:24
2:17:26
Now, in terms of electrostatic charge,
2817
2:17:26
2:17:28
of course that also plays a difference.
2818
2:17:28
2:17:30
And the reason why is because Omicron,
2819
2:17:30
2:17:33
one of the reasons why Omicron is so much more infectious
2820
2:17:33
2:17:36
because the electrostatic charge surface
2821
2:17:36
2:17:39
of the spike protein of the Omicron variant
2822
2:17:39
2:17:44
is ideal for interaction with the ACE2 receptor.
2823
2:17:44
2:17:46
And when it comes to the charge,
2824
2:17:46
2:17:49
it's one of the best right now we have had
2825
2:17:49
2:17:51
in the evolution of the spike protein.
2826
2:17:51
2:17:53
So then, so remember I was telling you,
2827
2:17:53
2:17:58
in a molecular world, molecular world is ruled by,
2828
2:17:58
2:17:59
I mentioned two things,
2829
2:17:59
2:18:01
which is the three dimensional shape fit
2830
2:18:01
2:18:03
between the two entities,
2831
2:18:03
2:18:07
as well as electrostatic surface of these,
2832
2:18:07
2:18:08
and they have to match as well.
2833
2:18:08
2:18:11
So you need to bring negative to positive
2834
2:18:11
2:18:12
in order to match it.
2835
2:18:12
2:18:14
And if you have some positive positive,
2836
2:18:14
2:18:15
then they will repulse.
2837
2:18:15
2:18:16
There's another third component,
2838
2:18:16
2:18:19
which is the quantity as well that also rules the world.
2839
2:18:19
2:18:24
But so three dimensional shape, electrostatic Omicron
2840
2:18:24
2:18:26
is, looks ideal.
2841
2:18:26
2:18:29
It's perfect shape, perfect charge
2842
2:18:29
2:18:31
to grab onto the ACE2 receptor,
2843
2:18:31
2:18:34
which is one of the reasons why.
2844
2:18:34
2:18:37
One, the other one is of course that it also is perfect
2845
2:18:37
2:18:40
when it comes to escaping neutralizing antibodies.
2846
2:18:40
2:18:44
It's, but luckily for us, it's also been milder.
2847
2:18:44
2:18:45
It's milder.
2848
2:18:45
2:18:48
Are these trivial variations or are these significant?
2849
2:18:49
2:18:51
And then the other question is,
2850
2:18:51
2:18:55
if you had it, if you could redesign this whole thing,
2851
2:18:55
2:18:56
would it be better to make,
2852
2:18:56
2:18:59
I mean, is this spike considered active?
2853
2:18:59
2:19:03
The spike is not a virus, it's a viral fragment.
2854
2:19:03
2:19:07
Is it, is this an inactive viral fragment?
2855
2:19:07
2:19:10
And does what I'm saying even make any sense?
2856
2:19:10
2:19:15
They talk about an inactive virus vaccine.
2858
2:19:16
2:19:17
Different concept.
2859
2:19:17
2:19:21
We're now getting hugely big and we've got three minutes.
2860
2:19:21
2:19:24
Okay, I'm pass.
2861
2:19:24
2:19:28
We can connect, but you're now,
2862
2:19:28
2:19:31
you're marrying two different concepts by accident.
2863
2:19:31
2:19:35
So we're talking about vaccine
2864
2:19:35
2:19:39
where you actually vaccinate people with an actual virus.
2865
2:19:39
2:19:44
And as opposed to here, we're inserting mRNA template,
2866
2:19:45
2:19:47
completely different technology,
2867
2:19:47
2:19:48
which has never been used before.
2868
2:19:48
2:19:53
So then live attenuated virus versus inactivated virus,
2869
2:19:53
2:19:56
that's the traditional approach we've been using in the past.
2870
2:19:56
2:19:59
mRNA, what we're doing is to build this template
2871
2:19:59
2:20:04
that's never used before, first time in humans.
2872
2:20:04
2:20:07
Charles, would it be possible before Sam has to leave,
2873
2:20:07
2:20:10
whether if Arianna could go before Theresa?
2874
2:20:11
2:20:14
Yep, yep, cause Sam has to go in a couple of minutes.
2875
2:20:14
2:20:17
So Arianna, you go and then Theresa and then John,
2876
2:20:17
2:20:19
and then we'll wrap the four melodies.
2877
2:20:19
2:20:20
Arianna.
2878
2:20:20
2:20:22
Okay, thank you. Nice to meet you, Dr. Love.
2879
2:20:22
2:20:23
Oh, thank you.
2880
2:20:23
2:20:25
I'm a naturopathic doctor and a journalist
2881
2:20:25
2:20:27
for the past 11 years.
2882
2:20:28
2:20:30
I have a question for you.
2883
2:20:30
2:20:32
I have three questions very quick.
2884
2:20:32
2:20:34
The first one is,
2885
2:20:34
2:20:38
have you read the COVID-19 vaccine patents?
2886
2:20:39
2:20:41
No, I'm aware of it.
2887
2:20:41
2:20:45
I've seen some of that information, but no.
2888
2:20:46
2:20:49
Now keep in mind that this does not necessarily
2889
2:20:49
2:20:51
have to be linked at all to the current pandemic,
2890
2:20:51
2:20:54
because as I was earlier mentioning,
2891
2:20:54
2:20:57
we knew that the likelihood of the future pandemic
2892
2:20:57
2:21:00
being coronavirus was going to be very high
2893
2:21:00
2:21:03
ever since the SARS original came out.
2894
2:21:03
2:21:06
And we know that coronaviruses,
2895
2:21:06
2:21:10
their presence in the animal reservoir
2896
2:21:10
2:21:13
and how likely they could have been transferred,
2897
2:21:13
2:21:15
we knew it's a very high risk.
2898
2:21:15
2:21:17
So we've been preparing for this,
2899
2:21:17
2:21:20
including patents for decades.
2900
2:21:21
2:21:22
Okay, my second question is,
2901
2:21:22
2:21:26
would you be willing to look at the patents,
2902
2:21:26
2:21:30
look at my articles where they're highly referenced,
2903
2:21:30
2:21:33
very well referenced with peer review literature
2904
2:21:33
2:21:36
and has the direct links to patents
2905
2:21:36
2:21:39
and information that is in the patents.
2906
2:21:39
2:21:42
Would you be willing to look at that?
2907
2:21:42
2:21:43
For sure, for sure.
2908
2:21:43
2:21:45
Awesome, thank you.
2909
2:21:45
2:21:48
So you can get my email, you can contact me.
2910
2:21:49
2:21:51
And the third question really quick is,
2911
2:21:51
2:21:54
are you aware that they're deleting genes in humans now
2912
2:21:54
2:21:57
with the COVID-19 vaccine?
2913
2:21:57
2:22:00
No, to completely, and I would love to see
2914
2:22:00
2:22:02
if you have a scientific proof of that statement.
2915
2:22:02
2:22:03
I do, thank you.
2916
2:22:03
2:22:06
I have five articles, I'll send them to you.
2917
2:22:06
2:22:09
But hang on, Mariana, can you explain that to me?
2918
2:22:09
2:22:14
I thought the proof was more in the intent of the patents
2919
2:22:15
2:22:17
or the possible intent of the patents.
2920
2:22:17
2:22:22
It's in the intent, it's in the adverse reactions
2921
2:22:22
2:22:23
of the vaccinated people.
2922
2:22:24
2:22:27
The evidence is all around us.
2923
2:22:27
2:22:32
And it's, see, the gene deletion causes all the symptoms
2924
2:22:32
2:22:33
that we're seeing.
2925
2:22:33
2:22:36
It induces AIDS, it induces myocarditis,
2926
2:22:36
2:22:39
it induces blood coagulation because it dries up
2927
2:22:39
2:22:42
the moisture glands in the body.
2928
2:22:44
2:22:46
But Mariana, why don't you pose it as a question?
2929
2:22:51
2:22:51
Well, I did.
2931
2:22:53
2:22:54
I asked the questions.
2932
2:22:54
2:22:58
I mean, I'm very aware that they're deleting genes.
2933
2:22:58
2:23:01
There's no question in my mind because I've read,
2934
2:23:01
2:23:02
I've looked at the evidence.
2935
2:23:02
2:23:03
But if you haven't looked at that.
2936
2:23:03
2:23:06
I gotta tell you scientifically,
2937
2:23:06
2:23:09
I would not understand how you could achieve that
2938
2:23:09
2:23:11
with the mRNA vaccines.
2939
2:23:11
2:23:12
CRISPR-Cas9.
2940
2:23:12
2:23:14
So that's why I'm abusing, sorry?
2941
2:23:14
2:23:17
They're using CRISPR-Cas9 technology.
2942
2:23:17
2:23:21
Ah, if you use CRISPR-Cas9, for sure you could do that.
2943
2:23:21
2:23:26
Then, but that's not part of this scheme though.
2944
2:23:29
2:23:31
We have nothing to do with CRISPR-Cas9
2945
2:23:31
2:23:32
here with these vaccines though.
2946
2:23:32
2:23:33
So then-
2947
2:23:33
2:23:35
Mariana, it's in the patents, so isn't it?
2948
2:23:35
2:23:38
It's in all the patents in the Pfizer and the Moderna,
2949
2:23:38
2:23:43
all of the major so-called vaccines that are being used.
2950
2:23:43
2:23:47
They're, it's in their patents.
2951
2:23:47
2:23:48
Yeah, it's in their patents.
2952
2:23:48
2:23:50
But isn't that just to cut the sequences
2953
2:23:50
2:23:52
into the product material
2954
2:23:52
2:23:55
as opposed to injecting CRISPR into people?
2955
2:23:57
2:24:02
They are injecting microspheres, micro bubbles, micro,
2956
2:24:06
2:24:06
what is it?
2957
2:24:06
2:24:08
It's, I forgot the last one.
2958
2:24:08
2:24:11
It's microbeads that pass the blood-brain barrier.
2959
2:24:11
2:24:12
They're in the patents.
2960
2:24:12
2:24:17
And they've been identified under the microscope.
2961
2:24:18
2:24:19
So there's plenty of evidence
2962
2:24:19
2:24:22
that they are deleting genes in humans
2963
2:24:22
2:24:27
and coding, adding complementary DNA, cDNA.
2964
2:24:27
2:24:31
So they're genetically modifying people now.
2965
2:24:31
2:24:32
And they're targeting-
2966
2:24:32
2:24:32
Now keep in mind though,
2967
2:24:32
2:24:35
if it is not scientifically published,
2968
2:24:35
2:24:38
then in our world, it does not exist.
2969
2:24:39
2:24:39
Right, so-
2970
2:24:39
2:24:41
That's what I'm afraid of, yeah.
2971
2:24:41
2:24:43
Just keep that in mind.
2972
2:24:43
2:24:48
So then your information will most likely remain,
2973
2:24:48
2:24:51
unless it's published, observed and documented
2974
2:24:51
2:24:53
and published in the scientific literature,
2975
2:24:53
2:24:57
it's simply going to remain speculative.
2976
2:24:57
2:25:00
And I hope you're wrong.
2977
2:25:00
2:25:03
It's what you're describing is, sounds horrible.
2978
2:25:03
2:25:04
Horrible.
2979
2:25:04
2:25:06
So I obviously hope you're wrong.
2980
2:25:06
2:25:07
They're deleting, I believe-
2981
2:25:07
2:25:08
Now, is it possible?
2982
2:25:08
2:25:11
Yes, it is possible what you're saying completely,
2983
2:25:11
2:25:13
because it's already been done.
2984
2:25:13
2:25:14
China was the first country,
2985
2:25:14
2:25:18
the first nation where we actually have birth
2986
2:25:18
2:25:20
of genetically modified babies.
2987
2:25:20
2:25:23
And that was in 2018 already.
2988
2:25:23
2:25:27
And it created a massive scientific outcry against this.
2989
2:25:27
2:25:29
We don't even know what happened to them,
2990
2:25:29
2:25:31
but I wrote about this in my blog as well,
2991
2:25:31
2:25:35
about genetically first designer babies we're talking about,
2992
2:25:35
2:25:37
where they use CRISPR technology to,
2993
2:25:37
2:25:39
but this was done in an embryo.
2994
2:25:39
2:25:42
So what you're referring to would be,
2995
2:25:42
2:25:45
you would only be able to target certain amount of tissue
2996
2:25:45
2:25:48
and it would be localized.
2997
2:25:49
2:25:50
So, but if you're mentioning-
2998
2:25:50
2:25:51
Like embryonic cells.
2999
2:25:51
2:25:53
Crossing blood, brain barrier.
3000
2:25:54
2:25:58
But my goodness, I hope nothing you're saying is true.
3001
2:25:58
2:25:59
Please read my articles.
3002
2:25:59
2:26:00
It would be horrible.
3003
2:26:00
2:26:02
Absolutely, I copied everything.
3004
2:26:02
2:26:03
Thank you so much.
3006
2:26:04
2:26:06
Okay, we've got two more quick.
3007
2:26:06
2:26:09
Theresa and John and Sam, you're there, so you can go.
3008
2:26:09
2:26:11
Thank you for your contribution, Sam.
3009
2:26:11
2:26:12
You have to go when you have to go.
3010
2:26:12
2:26:15
Theresa, next, we're over time.
3011
2:26:15
2:26:16
Theresa, go.
3012
2:26:17
2:26:18
Hi, thanks.
3013
2:26:18
2:26:20
I'll try and keep it brief.
3014
2:26:20
2:26:24
Have you heard of the science of magnetogenetics at all?
3016
2:26:26
2:26:28
Some such as that.
3017
2:26:28
2:26:29
Apparently-
3018
2:26:29
2:26:31
Magnetogenomics is a kind of,
3019
2:26:31
2:26:35
it's another form of transfection mechanism.
3020
2:26:35
2:26:37
Magnetogenetics.
3021
2:26:38
2:26:40
Magnetogenetics.
3022
2:26:40
2:26:43
It's a team managed to,
3023
2:26:44
2:26:48
by injecting the substance into some, I believe, mice,
3024
2:26:48
2:26:51
they managed to affect the mouse behavior.
3025
2:26:51
2:26:56
They could, by using external electromagnetic radiation,
3026
2:26:56
2:27:01
they could persuade the mice to groom, not groom,
3027
2:27:01
2:27:05
mate, not mate, go to a certain area of the cage.
3028
2:27:05
2:27:08
They can affect mice behavior with this technology,
3029
2:27:08
2:27:12
and they call it magnetogenetics.
3030
2:27:12
2:27:14
There were a few papers published about it.
3031
2:27:14
2:27:15
Have you heard about it?
3032
2:27:16
2:27:18
So the concept makes sense.
3033
2:27:18
2:27:20
We're talking about not modifying genetics.
3034
2:27:20
2:27:25
We're talking about modification of use of genetics.
3035
2:27:25
2:27:26
Yeah, yeah.
3036
2:27:26
2:27:30
So it just struck me that part of this agenda 2030
3037
2:27:30
2:27:34
or agenda 21 that Klaus Schwab keeps going on about
3038
2:27:34
2:27:37
is that by 2030, you'll own nothing, but you'll be happy.
3039
2:27:38
2:27:40
And a lot of the scientists-
3040
2:27:40
2:27:41
I'm already there.
3041
2:27:41
2:27:46
A lot of the scientists and doctors are speculating
3042
2:27:46
2:27:48
that perhaps they're actually going to be,
3043
2:27:48
2:27:52
they're actually injecting something in these vaccines
3044
2:27:52
2:27:57
that may be used to influence behavior in a very crude way.
3045
2:28:00
2:28:02
And it certainly concerns me because although
3046
2:28:02
2:28:05
I haven't had a COVID-19 vaccination,
3047
2:28:05
2:28:09
I have had two flu vaccinations in the last three years,
3048
2:28:09
2:28:12
well, four years, and they were because I was coerced
3049
2:28:12
2:28:13
into having them for work.
3050
2:28:13
2:28:18
I had two flu jabs, and now my sternum is magnetic,
3051
2:28:19
2:28:21
and that greatly concerns me.
3052
2:28:22
2:28:23
I've seen lots of videos.
3053
2:28:23
2:28:27
I've got friends who actually found that their injection
3054
2:28:27
2:28:30
site on their arm was magnetic after being vaccinated.
3055
2:28:30
2:28:34
There is an explanation for that potential
3056
2:28:34
2:28:35
for the injection site.
3057
2:28:36
2:28:38
I would not know how to explain your sternum experience,
3058
2:28:38
2:28:40
but for the injection site, remember,
3059
2:28:40
2:28:45
you're injecting highly positively charged molecules
3060
2:28:47
2:28:48
so that they can enter the cell.
3061
2:28:48
2:28:52
So you could in theory, and I'm just extending that,
3062
2:28:52
2:28:57
you could in theory then have a momentary change
3063
2:28:57
2:29:01
in the electrostatic surface on your body
3064
2:29:01
2:29:05
on the side of injection, so that if you took something
3065
2:29:05
2:29:09
of the opposite charge, you could literally potentially
3066
2:29:09
2:29:11
attach it to your skin.
3067
2:29:11
2:29:13
Well, you'd have to be moving the magnet
3068
2:29:13
2:29:15
or the metal next to your skin.
3069
2:29:15
2:29:18
I think people are just sticking forks
3070
2:29:18
2:29:21
and keys to their arms, which I found very interesting.
3071
2:29:21
2:29:24
And, well, perhaps you might want to look into it.
3072
2:29:24
2:29:28
I'll send you a link, but the only,
3073
2:29:28
2:29:32
the last thing I was gonna say is just for fun and giggles,
3074
2:29:32
2:29:36
go on YouTube or TikTok and look for pandemic babies.
3075
2:29:36
2:29:38
It's really fascinating.
3076
2:29:38
2:29:41
We're seeing neonates able to lift their heads.
3077
2:29:43
2:29:45
And I don't know if it's a hoax.
3078
2:29:45
2:29:48
If it is a hoax, it's a very elaborate one,
3079
2:29:48
2:29:50
but it is really interesting.
3080
2:29:50
2:29:55
Pandemic babies, babies able to turn over at two weeks.
3081
2:29:55
2:29:57
Now we've discussed it in previous Zoom meetings
3082
2:29:57
2:30:00
with doctors, because that's always a bit of fun
3083
2:30:00
2:30:03
to sort of to go out on the fringe there,
3084
2:30:03
2:30:07
but it is something definitely worth looking at
3085
2:30:07
2:30:11
because if it's true, it's not a secret
3086
2:30:11
2:30:12
they'll be able to keep for very long.
3087
2:30:14
2:30:17
But I know it's fringe, but it's really, really interesting.
3088
2:30:17
2:30:18
Yes, we've seen those videos
3089
2:30:18
2:30:21
and Teresa has brought them to our attention.
3090
2:30:21
2:30:22
It is fascinating.
3091
2:30:22
2:30:25
And anyway, thank you, John, last question.
3092
2:30:25
2:30:26
Thank you, Teresa.
3093
2:30:26
2:30:30
And pandemic babies look, they're uplifting heads.
3094
2:30:30
2:30:33
It also the question of human augmentation.
3095
2:30:33
2:30:35
We should have a, Stephen,
3096
2:30:35
2:30:37
we should have a topic on this whole question.
3097
2:30:37
2:30:41
Ministry of Defense and its human augmentation plans.
3098
2:30:41
2:30:44
That's a different topic, not for today.
3099
2:30:44
2:30:46
John, your question.
3100
2:30:46
2:30:47
Last question.
3101
2:30:48
2:30:50
Can you hear me okay?
3103
2:30:52
2:30:55
Sorry, I was late to the meeting.
3104
2:30:56
2:30:59
My question really is stems around the integrity
3105
2:30:59
2:31:03
of the mRNA sequence that they're injecting into people.
3106
2:31:04
2:31:07
Is there any proof or any documentation out there
3107
2:31:07
2:31:11
showing that they may be injecting different mRNA strains?
3108
2:31:11
2:31:14
Cause we're seeing a bevy of different organ involvement
3109
2:31:16
2:31:18
manifestations rather.
3110
2:31:18
2:31:19
That's kind of my first question.
3111
2:31:19
2:31:21
My second question is this,
3112
2:31:21
2:31:23
is the difference between the vaccine
3113
2:31:23
2:31:26
which is producing the spike protein,
3114
2:31:26
2:31:28
in theory, the spike proteins,
3115
2:31:28
2:31:30
the same as the infected particle.
3116
2:31:30
2:31:35
Why are we seeing different manifestations in that process?
3117
2:31:36
2:31:40
And, you know, those are just two questions
3118
2:31:40
2:31:43
that have been kind of beating my head around.
3119
2:31:43
2:31:45
Cause we're ultimately looking for,
3120
2:31:45
2:31:47
what is the purpose behind this?
3121
2:31:47
2:31:50
It's definitely not to vaccinate the population
3122
2:31:50
2:31:52
and to provide immunity.
3123
2:31:52
2:31:54
So there has to be something else to it.
3124
2:31:56
2:31:58
If you could answer those, that'd be awesome.
3125
2:31:58
2:31:59
If not, no worries.
3126
2:31:59
2:32:01
I really appreciate it.
3127
2:32:01
2:32:03
And I also appreciate the meeting.
3128
2:32:03
2:32:04
Thank you.
3129
2:32:05
2:32:09
Who wants to, is it me or is it you, Sam?
3130
2:32:09
2:32:10
I can add something.
3131
2:32:10
2:32:12
You can go first, if you want.
3132
2:32:12
2:32:13
So in terms of sequencing,
3133
2:32:13
2:32:15
that actually would be very interesting.
3134
2:32:15
2:32:16
As far as I know,
3135
2:32:16
2:32:19
I don't think anyone has independently
3136
2:32:19
2:32:21
been investigating the mRNA sequence.
3137
2:32:21
2:32:22
Very simple to do though.
3138
2:32:22
2:32:25
So this is actually interesting
3139
2:32:25
2:32:28
because it will be very simple to do in theory,
3140
2:32:28
2:32:31
to check the sequence of the mRNA
3141
2:32:31
2:32:33
and whether that's been altered or not.
3142
2:32:33
2:32:36
Of course it's not supposed to be altered, right?
3143
2:32:36
2:32:38
It's therapeutic.
3144
2:32:38
2:32:40
You're not supposed to be changing it.
3145
2:32:40
2:32:42
And the goal is indeed to change it.
3146
2:32:42
2:32:43
And that's what they're working on
3147
2:32:43
2:32:47
in order to come up with a anti-omicron vaccine.
3148
2:32:47
2:32:48
Now, in terms of the second one
3149
2:32:49
2:32:53
and why you would be seeing differences of,
3150
2:32:53
2:32:55
let's call it adverse events,
3151
2:32:55
2:32:58
post natural infection versus vaccination.
3152
2:32:58
2:33:00
Well, they're totally different processes.
3153
2:33:00
2:33:03
So even let's assume they're identical.
3154
2:33:03
2:33:04
They're not mRNA vaccines.
3155
2:33:04
2:33:06
There's a very, very small change,
3156
2:33:06
2:33:09
but there's still obviously major differences in that.
3157
2:33:09
2:33:10
With natural infection,
3158
2:33:10
2:33:13
you are responding with your immune system
3159
2:33:13
2:33:16
to all of the viral proteins.
3160
2:33:16
2:33:18
And with vaccination,
3161
2:33:18
2:33:21
you're only responding to the spike protein.
3162
2:33:21
2:33:23
And the quantities could be dramatically different.
3163
2:33:23
2:33:25
Now, I don't know what the quantities are,
3164
2:33:25
2:33:28
but the quantity of your body being exposed
3165
2:33:28
2:33:31
to post natural infection to the spike protein
3166
2:33:31
2:33:35
versus post vaccination could also be different.
3167
2:33:35
2:33:37
And that could also result in different outcomes.
3168
2:33:37
2:33:40
So that'll be my simple answer to those questions.
3169
2:33:42
2:33:44
So the first question is,
3170
2:33:46
2:33:47
has anybody sequenced this?
3171
2:33:47
2:33:49
And to my knowledge,
3172
2:33:49
2:33:54
there is a freedom of information request into the TGA
3173
2:33:56
2:34:01
who are so far obfuscating the answer.
3174
2:34:01
2:34:05
And the question was, what are the batch reports?
3175
2:34:05
2:34:09
Can you provide the documents for the batch reports
3176
2:34:09
2:34:11
of the batches that you have published on your website
3177
2:34:11
2:34:14
as having been tested?
3178
2:34:14
2:34:17
And this goes back to David Wiseman again,
3179
2:34:17
2:34:20
that clip is so important for people to understand
3180
2:34:20
2:34:25
what's happening at the federal drug regulators,
3181
2:34:25
2:34:27
because they don't understand this technology.
3182
2:34:27
2:34:29
And I keep banging on about this.
3183
2:34:29
2:34:33
But none of the regulators have sequenced the batches
3184
2:34:33
2:34:35
as far as I'm aware.
3185
2:34:35
2:34:37
So in a normal circumstance for a drug regulator
3186
2:34:37
2:34:39
will take hydroxychloroquine or whatever,
3187
2:34:39
2:34:41
they know that the chemical composition is,
3188
2:34:41
2:34:43
they put it through a mass spectrometer,
3189
2:34:43
2:34:48
99.99% purity, signed off, no problem, easy peasy.
3190
2:34:48
2:34:51
For this, you can't do that.
3191
2:34:51
2:34:53
mRNA is so difficult to handle.
3192
2:34:53
2:34:56
If you saw it, it degrades,
3193
2:34:56
2:34:58
it becomes a different product.
3194
2:34:58
2:34:59
The sequences go,
3195
2:35:01
2:35:03
there is a paper that was published
3196
2:35:04
2:35:06
that I have a copy of.
3197
2:35:06
2:35:11
It was published in sort of a preprint format
3198
2:35:11
2:35:13
and it is by, where is it now?
3199
2:35:13
2:35:14
Did you do it?
3200
2:35:14
2:35:17
Give me two seconds, sorry for the pause.
3201
2:35:17
2:35:21
By Jiang and Shora, S-H-O-U-R-A,
3202
2:35:21
2:35:22
and it's called,
3203
2:35:22
2:35:25
Assemblies of Putative SARS-CoV-2 Spike Encoding
3204
2:35:25
2:35:30
mRNA Sequences for Vaccines, BNT162V2 and mRNA1273,
3205
2:35:31
2:35:34
which are the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
3206
2:35:34
2:35:36
And that paper is from Stanford.
3207
2:35:36
2:35:40
And that paper, they took the samples of the vaccines
3208
2:35:40
2:35:41
and sequenced them.
3209
2:35:42
2:35:43
And the Pfizer vaccine was fine.
3210
2:35:43
2:35:44
It was completely 100% the sequence
3211
2:35:44
2:35:47
that was published in the WHO documents.
3212
2:35:47
2:35:51
The Moderna vaccine that I checked the sequence for
3213
2:35:51
2:35:54
from that document is completely all over the place,
3214
2:35:54
2:35:55
completely all over the place.
3215
2:35:55
2:35:58
It's got deletions, it's got frame shifts,
3216
2:35:58
2:36:00
it's just a disaster.
3217
2:36:00
2:36:03
So the assumption there is that
3218
2:36:03
2:36:06
the Pfizer one they got was still cold
3219
2:36:06
2:36:08
and the other one they got, the Moderna one,
3220
2:36:08
2:36:10
had been out of the fridge for a period of time.
3221
2:36:10
2:36:12
So not only did the drug regulators
3222
2:36:12
2:36:15
have to sequence the fresh product,
3223
2:36:15
2:36:16
but they also have to take samples.
3224
2:36:16
2:36:18
This is what they should be doing.
3225
2:36:18
2:36:20
They should be going to the vaccination centers
3226
2:36:20
2:36:22
and taking samples of the ones
3227
2:36:22
2:36:24
that have been out of the fridge for an hour
3228
2:36:24
2:36:26
that they are injecting
3229
2:36:26
2:36:29
and making sure that those sequences are not degrading.
3230
2:36:29
2:36:30
Because mRNA is complete,
3231
2:36:30
2:36:33
and you know, Miko will testify to this,
3232
2:36:33
2:36:37
mRNA is one of the most thermally unstable
3233
2:36:37
2:36:38
biological products we have.
3234
2:36:38
2:36:40
The only thing keeping it in its confirmation
3235
2:36:41
2:36:42
is those lipid nanoparticles,
3236
2:36:42
2:36:46
but they're not like the panacea.
3237
2:36:46
2:36:49
So the idea you could just inject it at any temperature
3238
2:36:49
2:36:51
was always problematic,
3239
2:36:51
2:36:53
but it's never been investigated.
3240
2:36:55
2:36:58
In terms of why it's having effects on different regions,
3241
2:37:00
2:37:02
what you should be doing for respiratory virus
3242
2:37:02
2:37:04
is taking a nasal vaccine,
3243
2:37:04
2:37:07
and that's what a lot of places are developing.
3244
2:37:07
2:37:09
And that's fine, you know, let's do it.
3245
2:37:09
2:37:12
Because that will give you the IgA that you need.
3246
2:37:12
2:37:15
Injecting, and Sushir Abakdi talks about this
3247
2:37:15
2:37:17
quite eloquently,
3248
2:37:17
2:37:20
injecting something into the arm
3249
2:37:20
2:37:23
to give you protection in the lungs
3250
2:37:23
2:37:25
makes no sense at all.
3251
2:37:25
2:37:29
And it's okay if the clinical data showed that it was true,
3252
2:37:29
2:37:30
then that would be fine.
3253
2:37:30
2:37:31
But as we're finding out,
3254
2:37:31
2:37:34
the clinical data that we see in the world
3255
2:37:34
2:37:36
is not the clinical data
3256
2:37:36
2:37:39
that the pharma companies produced
3257
2:37:39
2:37:40
in their shiny brochures.
3258
2:37:40
2:37:43
And there is also the bio-distribution issues,
3259
2:37:43
2:37:45
which is in that document that I sent around,
3260
2:37:45
2:37:47
the TGA evaluation report.
3261
2:37:47
2:37:49
That document is really important.
3262
2:37:49
2:37:52
It shows the bio-distribution of the product
3263
2:37:53
2:37:57
in the spleen, liver, adrenals, and ovaries,
3264
2:37:57
2:37:58
and it's in English as opposed to Japanese,
3265
2:37:58
2:37:59
which is helpful.
3266
2:38:01
2:38:02
Thank you.
3267
2:38:02
2:38:02
Thank you, Sam.
3268
2:38:02
2:38:03
Thanks. Okay.
3269
2:38:04
2:38:06
Thank you for the question.
3270
2:38:06
2:38:07
All right, Stephen,
3271
2:38:07
2:38:09
we're now come to the end of the formalities.
3272
2:38:09
2:38:11
It's now pub time.
3273
2:38:11
2:38:12
You can all go to the pub.
3274
2:38:12
2:38:17
Sam, I am removing you, Sam.
3275
2:38:17
2:38:22
We're making you free as just a second.
3276
2:38:23
2:38:25
No, we want Sam here.
3277
2:38:25
2:38:27
Just a second.
3278
2:38:27
2:38:28
We'll go there.
3279
2:38:29
2:38:32
We'll remove you as co-host for the moment.
3280
2:38:32
2:38:34
I will make Stephen,
3281
2:38:34
2:38:37
there's a worry, we'll make Stephen the host.
3282
2:38:38
2:38:42
And Stephen, would you think,
3283
2:38:42
2:38:45
would you think I, Sam, and...
3285
2:38:47
2:38:50
So, Mikolai, thank you so much for doing this.
3286
2:38:50
2:38:55
And also Sam, one last thing I'd really like to ask you about.
3287
2:38:55
2:38:57
Well, there are two things actually,
3288
2:38:57
2:38:59
the toxicity, the possible toxicity
3289
2:38:59
2:39:03
of the cationic lipid particles,
3290
2:39:03
2:39:06
which Michael Palmer talks about.
3291
2:39:06
2:39:08
He's a biochemist and pharmacologist
3292
2:39:08
2:39:13
and microbiologist in Canada.
3293
2:39:13
2:39:16
He's German, but he's got an English name.
3294
2:39:16
2:39:18
He's absolutely brilliant.
3295
2:39:18
2:39:21
So Sukrit Bhakhti, who himself is brilliant,
3296
2:39:22
2:39:25
said that he's the most brilliant student that he ever had.
3297
2:39:25
2:39:27
He's a medical doctor.
3298
2:39:27
2:39:29
He's an immunologist.
3299
2:39:29
2:39:30
He's a microbiologist.
3300
2:39:30
2:39:32
So he's a bacteriologist, a virologist,
3301
2:39:32
2:39:34
and a parasitologist.
3302
2:39:34
2:39:38
He's also a biochemist, a pharmacologist,
3303
2:39:38
2:39:41
and a toxicologist.
3304
2:39:41
2:39:44
And he referred, so he's done a four minute video.
3305
2:39:44
2:39:46
I'll try and find the link,
3306
2:39:46
2:39:48
but I won't be able to find it for the chat now.
3307
2:39:50
2:39:52
I've posted the link in the chat.
3308
2:39:52
2:39:53
You've just put it, great.
3309
2:39:53
2:39:54
Thank you, Theresa.
3310
2:39:55
2:39:59
So he's done a video and it really is chilling
3311
2:39:59
2:40:00
when you listen to it.
3312
2:40:00
2:40:02
So he is a medical doctor, remember.
3313
2:40:02
2:40:07
So he says that my opinion as a medical doctor,
3314
2:40:07
2:40:10
he's talking about the toxicity.
3315
2:40:10
2:40:12
Well, he talks about several things in those four minutes,
3316
2:40:12
2:40:14
but it's really chilling to listen to him.
3317
2:40:14
2:40:19
The toxicity of the cationic lipid particles.
3318
2:40:19
2:40:21
Do you know anything about that or not?
3319
2:40:22
2:40:23
Myself, I don't.
3320
2:40:25
2:40:29
And I'm wondering, it comes down to the question basically,
3321
2:40:29
2:40:33
because indeed when the vehicle fuses with the cell membrane,
3322
2:40:33
2:40:36
you're going to have these novel
3323
2:40:36
2:40:41
and basically exogenous foreign lipids in our membrane.
3324
2:40:42
2:40:45
But keep in mind, most likely those cells
3325
2:40:45
2:40:48
will also be destined for destruction by the immune system.
3327
2:40:49
2:40:53
So I'm hoping that that would mitigate problems
3328
2:40:53
2:40:57
associated with, potentially associated with these lipids.
3329
2:40:58
2:41:01
Yeah, well, apparently he says in this video,
3330
2:41:01
2:41:03
it's really interesting to watch,
3331
2:41:03
2:41:08
but it's, and he says it so casually that it has a certain power,
3332
2:41:08
2:41:09
but it's very difficult to find this video.
3333
2:41:09
2:41:12
Theresa manages to find it every time I ask her.
3334
2:41:13
2:41:18
But so I recommend that I'd be very interested
3335
2:41:18
2:41:21
in what both of you think of that video,
3336
2:41:21
2:41:23
of the bits that you understand.
3337
2:41:23
2:41:25
And last question,
3338
2:41:25
2:41:29
and this maybe is more for Sam than for you, Miklai,
3339
2:41:29
2:41:32
but maybe you have views on it.
3340
2:41:32
2:41:34
So as far as I know,
3341
2:41:34
2:41:37
no one knows what the contents of the vaccines are.
3342
2:41:37
2:41:41
No doctor in the world and no regulatory body knows.
3343
2:41:41
2:41:46
The big pharma companies refer to trade secrets
3344
2:41:46
2:41:49
as a reason why they can't disclose
3345
2:41:49
2:41:52
the full list of contents of the vaccine.
3346
2:41:53
2:41:55
My question to you in particular, Sam,
3347
2:41:55
2:41:57
because I believe you're a medical doctor, is that right?
3348
2:42:02
2:42:05
Yeah, I'm only a surgeon, which I don't make it count.
3349
2:42:05
2:42:06
Yeah, but you're still a medical doctor.
3350
2:42:06
2:42:11
So my question is this,
3351
2:42:11
2:42:14
if you don't know what the contents of the vaccines are,
3352
2:42:14
2:42:17
these vials, and then you've got different lots as well,
3353
2:42:17
2:42:20
and we don't know what the contents of those are either,
3354
2:42:20
2:42:25
obviously, then how on earth can you possibly obtain
3355
2:42:25
2:42:27
informed consent from the patient?
3356
2:42:29
2:42:31
Well, I mean, Steve, you and I know
3357
2:42:31
2:42:36
that the informed consent process in 2022
3358
2:42:36
2:42:38
is different from the informed consent process
3359
2:42:38
2:42:42
for every single year from 1947 to 2020.
3360
2:42:42
2:42:45
So I think you and I know the answer to that question.
3361
2:42:45
2:42:47
Let's go back to the scientific basis
3362
2:42:47
2:42:49
of what's in the product.
3363
2:42:50
2:42:54
But Sam, has the Nuremberg Code been violated?
3364
2:42:54
2:42:56
In my opinion, 100%.
3365
2:42:56
2:42:58
Sure. 100%.
3366
2:42:58
2:43:00
It's an investigation.
3367
2:43:00
2:43:03
So the Nuremberg Code can't be violated
3368
2:43:03
2:43:08
unless it's a research study, okay?
3369
2:43:10
2:43:13
So that's where you'll get blowback
3370
2:43:13
2:43:15
on the Nuremberg Code issue.
3371
2:43:15
2:43:18
But this is arguably very easily a study.
3372
2:43:19
2:43:22
The randomized trial does not conclude until 2023,
3373
2:43:22
2:43:24
irrespective of whether they put people,
3374
2:43:24
2:43:26
unblinded them or not.
3375
2:43:26
2:43:29
Those trials do not conclude until 2023.
3376
2:43:29
2:43:31
So until 2023 has elapsed,
3377
2:43:31
2:43:35
those products are still under research trial protocols.
3378
2:43:35
2:43:39
And the pharmacovigilance is, of course, a phase four study.
3379
2:43:39
2:43:42
So there's no, it's very easy to say
3380
2:43:42
2:43:43
it's an investigational product.
3381
2:43:43
2:43:45
I don't say experimental
3382
2:43:45
2:43:47
because it brings other things into it.
3383
2:43:47
2:43:48
So I just say investigational.
3384
2:43:48
2:43:50
And so from that aspect,
3385
2:43:50
2:43:55
the Nuremberg Code has easily been breached.
3386
2:43:55
2:43:56
The other code that is definitely breached
3387
2:43:56
2:43:59
irrespective of whether it's an investigational product
3388
2:43:59
2:44:00
or not an investigational product
3389
2:44:00
2:44:02
is the UN Bioethics Agreement 2005.
3390
2:44:03
2:44:05
Exactly. Absolutely.
3392
2:44:06
2:44:09
But the point about the Nuremberg Code, Sam,
3393
2:44:09
2:44:10
if you've read about the history of it,
3394
2:44:10
2:44:14
it was all about human medical experimentation
3395
2:44:14
2:44:18
and making sure after the doctor's trial in Nuremberg,
3396
2:44:19
2:44:24
that a human medical experimentation never took place again,
3397
2:44:25
2:44:28
as it did prior to the Second World War
3398
2:44:28
2:44:30
and during the Second World War.
3399
2:44:30
2:44:32
And the whole, so the Nuremberg Code,
3400
2:44:32
2:44:33
we would talk to medical school,
3401
2:44:33
2:44:37
it's the most important document in the history of medicine.
3402
2:44:37
2:44:38
And also-
3403
2:44:38
2:44:40
The problem with this is it's not legally enforceable.
3404
2:44:40
2:44:42
So we went through the- Yes, it is.
3406
2:44:46
2:44:49
Well, Anna de Buisere was on the other day
3407
2:44:49
2:44:51
and she said that it's being incorporated into the law.
3408
2:44:51
2:44:52
I can't remember the laws now,
3409
2:44:52
2:44:56
but she's a lawyer and she knows all about this.
3410
2:44:56
2:44:58
So, and I'm a doctor and I would say,
3411
2:44:58
2:45:01
even if it's not incorporated into the law,
3412
2:45:01
2:45:05
doctors have to obey the Nuremberg Code.
3413
2:45:05
2:45:08
And if they haven't, then they're accountable.
3414
2:45:08
2:45:09
They have to be held accountable.
3415
2:45:09
2:45:12
100%, 100%, because it becomes an assault.
3416
2:45:13
2:45:14
If a medical treatment is provided
3417
2:45:14
2:45:16
under false pretenses, it's an assault.
3418
2:45:18
2:45:19
And of course the doctors will say
3419
2:45:19
2:45:21
that they were acting on protocols
3420
2:45:21
2:45:23
and they were following orders
3421
2:45:23
2:45:23
and it was all time-
3422
2:45:23
2:45:25
That's what the German doctor said.
3423
2:45:25
2:45:26
That's what the German doctor said.
3424
2:45:26
2:45:29
That, exactly, exactly.
3425
2:45:29
2:45:32
Yes, so we get to the real heart of it here,
3426
2:45:32
2:45:37
that this is absolutely, I just cannot believe it.
3427
2:45:37
2:45:38
And this has been a stunning-
3428
2:45:38
2:45:41
And here's a little tip here for you.
3429
2:45:41
2:45:45
And it should probably stay in this small group.
3430
2:45:45
2:45:50
There is a doctor in Chile, I think, or Argentina,
3431
2:45:52
2:45:54
one of the South American countries,
3432
2:45:54
2:45:57
who's so proud of his heritage, he changed his name.
3433
2:45:57
2:46:02
His grandfather was a guy called Joseph Mengele.
3434
2:46:02
2:46:06
And he is a researcher, he's a clinician researcher.
3435
2:46:07
2:46:11
And he investigates, his subject of interest
3436
2:46:11
2:46:15
is trypanozoma cruzii, the sleeping sickness organism.
3437
2:46:15
2:46:16
And you can look him up,
3438
2:46:16
2:46:19
you can look him up to trypanozoma cruzii research.
3439
2:46:19
2:46:21
And his name, he changed his name,
3440
2:46:21
2:46:24
I know this from Philippe Raffaelli,
3441
2:46:24
2:46:26
but he changed his name by Dieppold,
3442
2:46:26
2:46:29
because he was called, he was himself called Joseph Mengele.
3443
2:46:29
2:46:32
And he changed his name by Dieppold to Jose Mengele.
3444
2:46:35
2:46:38
So this is how these people work.
3445
2:46:38
2:46:43
And Wolfgang Wodarg, he was talking to Reiner Fulmick
3446
2:46:46
2:46:50
about the, they've recently come out,
3447
2:46:50
2:46:54
there's a guy in Kingston upon Thames, Werdekampo.
3448
2:46:56
2:46:58
What is it, Theresa, can you remember?
3449
2:46:59
2:47:02
Anyway, he's, sorry?
3450
2:47:02
2:47:03
Just repeat the question.
3451
2:47:03
2:47:06
There's a Dutch guy in Kingston upon Thames
3452
2:47:06
2:47:11
did the incredible research on lots and-
3453
2:47:12
2:47:15
Oh yes, Craig Pardecouper or Craig Cooper.
3454
2:47:15
2:47:17
That's the one, yes.
3455
2:47:17
2:47:18
He's in our group.
3456
2:47:19
2:47:20
Right, okay.
3457
2:47:20
2:47:21
Oh, we'll have to get him to speak.
3458
2:47:21
2:47:25
So anyway, he's done this incredible research
3459
2:47:25
2:47:29
and Wolfgang Wodarg and Reiner Fulmick agreed
3460
2:47:29
2:47:32
that the research on the lots,
3461
2:47:32
2:47:34
there's intent, there's cooperation
3462
2:47:34
2:47:36
between the big pharma companies,
3463
2:47:36
2:47:40
between Moderna, J&J and Pfizer, I believe.
3464
2:47:41
2:47:43
I'm not sure about the AstraZeneca.
3465
2:47:43
2:47:46
And they both agreed.
3466
2:47:46
2:47:48
So Wolfgang Wodarg was responsible
3467
2:47:48
2:47:53
for exposing the swine flu pandemic fraud of 2009.
3468
2:47:55
2:47:58
The fraud was conducted by the WHO, by the way.
3469
2:48:00
2:48:04
And he exposed and stopped that fraud.
3470
2:48:05
2:48:08
And he was a politician as well as a medical doctor.
3471
2:48:08
2:48:12
And so, and because he had connections
3472
2:48:12
2:48:13
at the council of Europe,
3473
2:48:16
2:48:19
an investigation was conducted at the council of Europe
3474
2:48:19
2:48:21
and he gave evidence to get with another doctor.
3475
2:48:22
2:48:23
There may have been others,
3476
2:48:23
2:48:27
but I've seen video footage of both of them.
3477
2:48:27
2:48:30
Anyway, the point is that he has history.
3478
2:48:30
2:48:32
He knows what he's talking about.
3479
2:48:32
2:48:35
And he said, you're talking about Mengele,
3480
2:48:35
2:48:38
and he said, it's like having a thousand Mengele's.
3481
2:48:38
2:48:41
And Reiner Fulmick is very well-known lawyer,
3482
2:48:41
2:48:43
both in the US and Germany.
3483
2:48:44
2:48:46
Steven, Dr. Roschek has to leave.
3485
2:48:47
2:48:50
Yeah, I have to run for another commitment
3486
2:48:50
2:48:52
and it's coming really close.
3487
2:48:52
2:48:54
So I just want to say bye everyone
3488
2:48:54
2:48:58
because it's a fantastic opportunity
3489
2:48:58
2:49:00
to chat with you, have this conversation.
3490
2:49:00
2:49:04
And I'm looking forward to all the information
3491
2:49:04
2:49:05
that I'll get to study.
3492
2:49:05
2:49:09
So thanks a lot for reducing my free time.
3493
2:49:09
2:49:10
Thank you.
3494
2:49:10
2:49:11
Thank you so much.
3495
2:49:11
2:49:12
And thank you.
3496
2:49:12
2:49:13
It was a pleasure.
3497
2:49:13
2:49:17
And hopefully I'll be able to join you in the future,
3498
2:49:17
2:49:18
but you have to run.
3499
2:49:18
2:49:21
So I'm gonna sign off, okay?
3500
2:49:21
2:49:21
Very good.
3501
2:49:21
2:49:24
So bye everyone and until next time.
3502
2:49:24
2:49:25
Thank you.
3504
2:49:25
2:49:27
Thank you very much.
3505
2:49:27
2:49:27
Thank you.
3506
2:49:27
2:49:28
God bless.
3507
2:49:29
2:49:31
And thank you, Sam.
3508
2:49:31
2:49:32
You were great as well.
3509
2:49:35
2:49:36
Thanks to Sam.
3510
2:49:39
2:49:40
Is Sam gone?
3511
2:49:40
2:49:42
No, Sam's still here.
3512
2:49:42
2:49:45
Do you mind throwing a sneak in a quick question?
3513
2:49:45
2:49:46
I'll go on then.
3514
2:49:48
2:49:49
I'm curious.
3515
2:49:49
2:49:52
I don't know if you're aware that the Novavax vaccine
3516
2:49:52
2:49:55
got approved in Israel a few days ago.
3517
2:49:55
2:49:57
And it's been approved in Australia as well.
3518
2:49:57
2:49:59
I was gonna say it's around the corner in Australia.
3519
2:49:59
2:50:01
So it's happened in Australia too.
3520
2:50:01
2:50:06
Do you know, I mean, I know it's not a mRNA vaccine,
3521
2:50:06
2:50:10
but they effectively injecting a spike protein
3522
2:50:10
2:50:12
that's been manufactured by a moth.
3523
2:50:12
2:50:15
But there seems to be a whole bunch of other issues.
3525
2:50:17
2:50:19
It's a recombinant protein vaccine.
3526
2:50:19
2:50:24
And just on that approval thing, Sam,
3527
2:50:24
2:50:25
it's been approved by TGA,
3528
2:50:26
2:50:27
yet to be approved by a target,
3529
2:50:27
2:50:29
or has that already happened?
3530
2:50:30
2:50:31
Yeah, I don't know the answer to that,
3531
2:50:31
2:50:32
but they're working hand in hand.
3532
2:50:32
2:50:34
Just forget the idea that they're going to do anything
3533
2:50:34
2:50:35
different from each other,
3534
2:50:35
2:50:38
or different from what Pfizer tell them,
3535
2:50:38
2:50:42
or their associated entities.
3536
2:50:42
2:50:46
The head of vaccine surveillance in the TGA
3537
2:50:46
2:50:51
was recruited on January the 31st, 2021,
3538
2:50:51
2:50:54
which was two days before the Pfizer vaccine was approved.
3539
2:50:54
2:50:56
His name is Michael Nissen.
3540
2:50:56
2:51:00
He came from GSK, which merged in Pfizer in 2019.
3541
2:51:00
2:51:02
There's a freedom of information request
3542
2:51:02
2:51:05
showing his recruitment,
3543
2:51:05
2:51:07
which was done in January of last year.
3544
2:51:07
2:51:10
So the head of vaccine surveillance for the TGA
3545
2:51:10
2:51:11
came from,
3546
2:51:14
2:51:15
Sorry, I'll jump in with your question.
3547
2:51:15
2:51:18
And Sam, I do have another question about that as well,
3548
2:51:18
2:51:19
but I don't want to jump in on whoever was asking
3549
2:51:19
2:51:21
the question before.
3550
2:51:21
2:51:22
So I'll wait.
3551
2:51:23
2:51:25
I mean, I just wanted to ask if we know a lot about it
3552
2:51:25
2:51:28
and what we think about its safety so far.
3553
2:51:28
2:51:29
I mean, I know it's early days.
3554
2:51:29
2:51:32
There is an OspA document for what it's worth.
3555
2:51:32
2:51:33
I've not read it yet.
3556
2:51:33
2:51:35
It's on my list of things to do this week.
3557
2:51:37
2:51:39
It's a protein vaccine.
3558
2:51:39
2:51:41
I don't mind protein vaccines.
3559
2:51:41
2:51:42
I think they're fine.
3560
2:51:42
2:51:43
Mostly safe.
3561
2:51:43
2:51:44
You can get the Yambari,
3562
2:51:44
2:51:47
but in comparison to what we're seeing now,
3563
2:51:47
2:51:49
much, you know, like a hundred times safer
3564
2:51:50
2:51:52
than what we're seeing out on the street
3565
2:51:52
2:51:54
from what this one's done.
3566
2:51:56
2:51:59
I mean, they've got 700 deaths registered at the TGA,
3567
2:51:59
2:52:03
which they deny a link to the vaccines.
3568
2:52:04
2:52:07
But that's what the submissions have gone.
3569
2:52:07
2:52:08
I've gone through the process myself
3570
2:52:08
2:52:09
of submitting an adverse event.
3571
2:52:09
2:52:12
So it's not something that a doctor would do willy nilly
3572
2:52:12
2:52:15
or a general person can do willy nilly.
3573
2:52:15
2:52:19
It's like the VAERS system in the US.
3574
2:52:19
2:52:22
It's not something you just put bullshit into.
3575
2:52:22
2:52:24
So those deaths should have been investigated.
3576
2:52:24
2:52:25
And of course they haven't.
3577
2:52:25
2:52:28
So we've never seen a safety signal like this
3578
2:52:28
2:52:29
from any vaccine in the past.
3579
2:52:29
2:52:31
And I like vaccines.
3580
2:52:31
2:52:34
Nothing wrong with vaccines if they're done correctly.
3581
2:52:34
2:52:37
I just don't like coercion.
3582
2:52:37
2:52:39
So in terms of this,
3583
2:52:39
2:52:43
you'd expect it to be behaving more like the other vaccines
3584
2:52:43
2:52:45
that we've had, the ones that don't kill people.
3585
2:52:46
2:52:51
And the downside, the worry of it is two things.
3586
2:52:51
2:52:55
One is that there are these lipid nanoparticles again.
3587
2:52:55
2:52:58
So those themselves have got toxicity,
3588
2:52:58
2:53:00
well-documented toxicity studies.
3589
2:53:00
2:53:04
And of course, contain things like PEG.
3590
2:53:04
2:53:05
Different nanoparticles are different,
3591
2:53:05
2:53:08
but you've got polyethylene glycol running around your body.
3592
2:53:08
2:53:10
It's not the best thing in the world.
3593
2:53:10
2:53:14
And the second thing is that the spike protein itself,
3594
2:53:14
2:53:17
2B confirmation of spike protein
3595
2:53:17
2:53:19
that Mika was talking about,
3596
2:53:19
2:53:22
is not the spike protein on the virus.
3597
2:53:22
2:53:23
It's a 2B confirmation.
3598
2:53:23
2:53:27
It's a two-protein, abundant, augmented spike protein.
3599
2:53:27
2:53:29
It's not the same.
3600
2:53:29
2:53:32
And whoever tells you it's the same, it's not the same.
3601
2:53:32
2:53:33
It's not.
3602
2:53:33
2:53:33
It's not.
3603
2:53:33
2:53:38
It's a fusion, pre-fusion conformal protein.
3604
2:53:41
2:53:42
It's a different structure.
3605
2:53:42
2:53:47
And there is not one, so it was invented in 2017,
3606
2:53:47
2:53:49
and there are patents on it,
3607
2:53:49
2:53:53
and there is not one clinical study that shows
3608
2:53:53
2:53:58
that the normal protein injected into the protein
3609
2:54:01
2:54:02
is safe and effective.
3610
2:54:02
2:54:03
Not one.
3611
2:54:03
2:54:04
There isn't one single clinical study
3612
2:54:04
2:54:08
that shows that that protein is safe.
3613
2:54:08
2:54:10
Now it probably is,
3614
2:54:11
2:54:13
but there isn't, no clinical study has been,
3615
2:54:13
2:54:16
just like the three-prime UTR of the Pfizer vaccine,
3616
2:54:16
2:54:18
there was no clinical study performed
3617
2:54:18
2:54:21
to show that backbone was safe.
3618
2:54:26
2:54:27
So they've invented all these different things
3619
2:54:27
2:54:29
and said, oh yeah, this'll be great.
3620
2:54:29
2:54:30
This'll be great.
3621
2:54:30
2:54:32
We'll put all these together and just go for it.
3622
2:54:32
2:54:35
And out of interest, how many people here?
3624
2:54:35
2:54:38
Just, how many of you know
3625
2:54:38
2:54:40
what diethylstilbestrol is?
3626
2:54:41
2:54:42
What, what?
3627
2:54:43
2:54:44
Diethylstilbestrol.
3628
2:54:47
2:54:49
Sorry, I'm absolutely not.
3629
2:54:52
2:54:54
What, why, why is that?
3630
2:54:55
2:54:56
Diethyl, you've got to look it up.
3631
2:54:56
2:54:59
So diethylstilbestrol is one of the biggest
3632
2:54:59
2:55:03
medical scandals of history on akindethalidomide,
3633
2:55:03
2:55:05
but the significance of it is so important
3634
2:55:05
2:55:09
because what happened was in the 1930s and 40s,
3635
2:55:09
2:55:12
women who were going to adopt, they might miscarry,
3636
2:55:12
2:55:14
were taking this drug to try and stop the miscarrying.
3637
2:55:15
2:55:19
And it didn't affect them at all.
3638
2:55:19
2:55:22
And it didn't affect the babies who were born fine.
3639
2:55:22
2:55:26
But what happened was 10 to 30 years later,
3640
2:55:26
2:55:30
the daughters of the women that took diethylstilbestrol
3641
2:55:30
2:55:34
developed vaginal adenocarcinomas that were incurable.
3643
2:55:37
2:55:39
Now, I'm in a group here,
3644
2:55:39
2:55:43
I'm just talking to a group here of 12 highly educated people
3645
2:55:43
2:55:46
half of which are doctors, and you've never heard of it.
3646
2:55:46
2:55:48
And that's what I'm going to gobsmacked.
3647
2:55:48
2:55:50
So if you guys haven't heard of it,
3648
2:55:50
2:55:51
what do you think the possibility is
3649
2:55:51
2:55:53
that the people making these rules
3650
2:55:53
2:55:57
and public health policies have heard of it
3651
2:55:57
2:56:00
when they're coercing and forcing pregnant women
3652
2:56:00
2:56:04
who are working to, thanks Sam,
3653
2:56:04
2:56:06
I've heard of it.
3654
2:56:06
2:56:10
To get a therapy for which every single component
3655
2:56:10
2:56:13
of that therapy that have been put together
3656
2:56:13
2:56:16
has never ever been investigated
3657
2:56:16
2:56:18
in long-term clinical studies, including pregnancy studies.
3658
2:56:18
2:56:21
And all you've got is 22 mice
3659
2:56:21
2:56:26
of which every single mouse that was produced
3660
2:56:26
2:56:29
was terminated, was euthanated.
3661
2:56:29
2:56:30
That's it.
3662
2:56:30
2:56:33
That's your whole pregnancy study for this drug,
3663
2:56:33
2:56:35
which has multiple components.
3664
2:56:35
2:56:37
And if you don't know about diethylsulfur bistrol,
3665
2:56:37
2:56:39
you better get looking at it.
3666
2:56:39
2:56:40
I have heard the name,
3667
2:56:40
2:56:43
but I can't remember what I knew about it.
3668
2:56:43
2:56:45
So we've got still to this day,
3669
2:56:45
2:56:47
looking at women doing colposcopies on women
3670
2:56:47
2:56:50
who have had diethylsulfur bistrol exposure
3671
2:56:50
2:56:53
in utero 60 years ago.
3672
2:56:57
2:57:01
Did all the women get adenocarcinoma of the vagina?
3673
2:57:01
2:57:02
I don't know the answer to that.
3674
2:57:02
2:57:04
The daughters, I mean.
3675
2:57:04
2:57:05
The daughters, yeah, I don't know the answer to that,
3676
2:57:05
2:57:08
but they actually got different carcinomas as well,
3677
2:57:08
2:57:10
depending on what age they were.
3678
2:57:10
2:57:15
So the vaginal ones appeared as children.
3679
2:57:17
2:57:19
So children were getting vaginal adenocarcinomas,
3680
2:57:19
2:57:21
then you get cervical cancers about age 20s,
3681
2:57:21
2:57:24
and then at 30s you get a uterine cancer.
3682
2:57:24
2:57:25
And it was a specific type of cancer.
3683
2:57:25
2:57:27
It was a clear cell adenocarcinoma.
3684
2:57:28
2:57:30
By the way, Sam, there are 34 people
3685
2:57:30
2:57:32
on the call at the moment.
3688
2:57:33
2:57:35
But it's interesting, isn't it?
3689
2:57:35
2:57:38
Because like most people know about thalidomide,
3690
2:57:38
2:57:40
young people don't know about thalidomide,
3691
2:57:40
2:57:42
but thalidomide was a bit more obvious
3692
2:57:42
2:57:45
because the baby would be born deformed.
3693
2:57:45
2:57:49
But a lot of people don't know also that in thalidomide,
3694
2:57:49
2:57:52
the only minority of women that took thalidomide
3695
2:57:52
2:57:54
had an affected child, like 1%.
3696
2:57:54
2:57:56
It was a small minority,
3697
2:57:56
2:57:58
so you didn't see the safety signal all this
3698
2:57:58
2:58:00
because, oh, it's fine, yeah, yeah, take it, take it,
3699
2:58:00
2:58:01
it's great.
3700
2:58:01
2:58:04
And it only affected your offspring
3701
2:58:04
2:58:06
if you took it between six and eight weeks.
3703
2:58:09
2:58:11
Do you think they were using different batteries
3704
2:58:11
2:58:12
or lots then?
3705
2:58:14
2:58:15
For which?
3706
2:58:15
2:58:15
For the thalidomide?
3707
2:58:15
2:58:17
For the thalidomide, yeah.
3708
2:58:17
2:58:18
No, no, no.
3709
2:58:18
2:58:20
It was just if you took it between six and eight weeks,
3710
2:58:20
2:58:22
and don't forget, everybody responds differently.
3711
2:58:22
2:58:25
So it was a very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
3712
2:58:26
2:58:28
so you can give something to a hundred people,
3713
2:58:28
2:58:31
and only one of that hundred actually has the effect.
3715
2:58:32
2:58:34
This is how, and that's why the,
3716
2:58:34
2:58:37
that's why the pharmacovigilance databases
3717
2:58:37
2:58:38
were put in place.
3718
2:58:38
2:58:40
In fact, the Invares was put in place
3719
2:58:40
2:58:42
because Reagan said,
3720
2:58:42
2:58:44
okay, we will give you carte blanche
3721
2:58:44
2:58:47
to do your vaccine therapy because we need them,
3722
2:58:47
2:58:49
and that was fine, okay,
3723
2:58:49
2:58:50
we'll give you carte blanche, you'll have immunity,
3724
2:58:50
2:58:53
but the counter is you have this database running,
3725
2:58:53
2:58:55
and if you see a safety signal, you stop.
3726
2:58:57
2:58:59
Yeah, well, Sam, we've got a situation now
3727
2:58:59
2:59:04
where VERS, which is the US one,
3728
2:59:04
2:59:06
the MHRA in UK,
3729
2:59:06
2:59:10
and EMA in Europe,
3730
2:59:11
2:59:15
the total number of deaths reported post-injection
3731
2:59:15
2:59:17
is 62,000, I think,
3732
2:59:18
2:59:23
and it's estimated that only one to 10%
3733
2:59:24
2:59:29
of the deaths have been reported as deaths due to injection.
3734
2:59:29
2:59:30
You know, I know all that,
3735
2:59:30
2:59:33
but the problem is you've got judiciary
3736
2:59:33
2:59:37
and doctors in public health in power
3737
2:59:37
2:59:39
who are telling you you're crazy,
3738
2:59:39
2:59:42
and it doesn't matter that the 62,000 deaths.
3739
2:59:43
2:59:46
Well, it will matter when we've won this war
3740
2:59:46
2:59:48
because it's a war as far as I can see.
3741
2:59:49
2:59:52
Well, it is a war, but you have to listen to this thing.
3742
2:59:52
2:59:54
You've got a problem, right?
3743
2:59:54
2:59:55
This is your problem.
3744
2:59:56
3:00:00
Even if you get a Nuremberg 2 going, which I hope you do,
3745
3:00:00
3:00:03
and I hope there are people who get, you know,
3746
3:00:03
3:00:08
criminally charged for the coercion.
3747
3:00:08
3:00:10
Honestly, let me put this out there.
3748
3:00:10
3:00:12
If you want to take a vaccine, I have no problem.
3749
3:00:12
3:00:14
I've told people to go and take a vaccine
3750
3:00:14
3:00:16
because they're shit scared of life.
3751
3:00:16
3:00:17
Go and do it.
3752
3:00:17
3:00:18
I don't have a problem.
3753
3:00:18
3:00:21
My red line is where you coerce somebody
3754
3:00:21
3:00:24
to have a medical treatment that they do not want, okay?
3755
3:00:24
3:00:26
If you coerce somebody to have a medical treatment
3756
3:00:26
3:00:28
they do not want, you accept liability
3757
3:00:28
3:00:30
for every single outcome of that treatment.
3758
3:00:30
3:00:31
That's it.
3759
3:00:31
3:00:32
Yeah, I agree with you.
3761
3:00:33
3:00:36
So if you do that, if somebody has died after you have,
3762
3:00:36
3:00:39
one person, if you as a public health official said,
3763
3:00:39
3:00:41
you have got to go and get this vaccine
3764
3:00:41
3:00:43
because you will not be allowed to work
3765
3:00:43
3:00:44
if you don't get it, right?
3766
3:00:44
3:00:47
Then that person dies,
3767
3:00:47
3:00:49
you have committed manslaughter, minimum.
3768
3:00:52
3:00:53
Minimum, yes.
3769
3:00:53
3:00:54
You only need one person, but the problem is
3770
3:00:54
3:00:58
who's going to run the trial?
3771
3:00:58
3:00:59
Because what we found in the New South Wales
3773
3:01:02
3:01:04
The guy who ran, the judge who ran
3774
3:01:04
3:01:06
the first New South Wales Supreme Court case
3775
3:01:06
3:01:08
that was Cassand versus Hazard,
3776
3:01:08
3:01:12
that judge, his wife is an activist,
3777
3:01:12
3:01:13
is a far left activist.
3778
3:01:13
3:01:17
She changed her Twitter account a week before the trial.
3779
3:01:17
3:01:19
The judge was imposed a week before the trial
3780
3:01:19
3:01:22
and he's going for a federal court seat.
3781
3:01:22
3:01:24
So there's no way he's going to rule against the government.
3782
3:01:24
3:01:25
He dismissed the case.
3783
3:01:25
3:01:27
But Sam, that's why we've gone to the police
3784
3:01:27
3:01:28
because we didn't trust the courts.
3785
3:01:28
3:01:29
No, I get it.
3786
3:01:29
3:01:32
But the police will then go to the courts.
3788
3:01:34
3:01:36
We've also asked them to stop the vaccinations
3789
3:01:36
3:01:38
while they're conducting a criminal investigation,
3790
3:01:38
3:01:41
which at the moment will take them several years
3791
3:01:41
3:01:42
to complete.
3792
3:01:43
3:01:44
I don't think you should stop the vaccinations.
3793
3:01:44
3:01:48
And that may be, you know,
3794
3:01:48
3:01:50
what's the word, confrontational to you.
3795
3:01:50
3:01:52
I don't think you should stop them.
3796
3:01:52
3:01:53
What I think you should do,
3797
3:01:53
3:01:54
what you would think should happen
3798
3:01:54
3:01:56
is that not one person should be coerced
3799
3:01:56
3:01:58
to take a vaccine that they don't want.
3800
3:01:58
3:01:59
That's it.
3801
3:01:59
3:02:01
It's just a basic principle.
3802
3:02:01
3:02:05
But also, Sam, surely you have to obtain informed consent
3803
3:02:05
3:02:06
as a doctor.
3805
3:02:07
3:02:08
Correct.
3806
3:02:08
3:02:10
Nobody's being allowed the opportunity
3807
3:02:10
3:02:14
to give informed, sorry, informed consent.
3808
3:02:14
3:02:17
Nobody's, so how can we say carry on?
3809
3:02:17
3:02:18
No, no, no, no.
3810
3:02:18
3:02:19
No, no, no.
3811
3:02:19
3:02:20
You don't get me.
3812
3:02:20
3:02:21
You don't get me.
3813
3:02:21
3:02:24
I believe in the right to try.
3814
3:02:24
3:02:25
I believe in the right to try.
3815
3:02:25
3:02:27
I believe that you should be able to go
3816
3:02:27
3:02:30
and get an experimental drug if you want it.
3817
3:02:30
3:02:32
Now, I'm not gonna change
3818
3:02:32
3:02:34
that fundamental principle of ethics
3819
3:02:34
3:02:36
because I don't believe you should withdraw treatment
3820
3:02:36
3:02:39
from people who want an experimental drug
3821
3:02:39
3:02:40
in certain circumstances.
3822
3:02:40
3:02:43
I believe in an individual's right to choose.
3823
3:02:43
3:02:43
Now, now-
3824
3:02:43
3:02:44
Hang on, Sam.
3825
3:02:44
3:02:46
Nobody knows it's an experimental drug
3826
3:02:46
3:02:48
because the governments of the world,
3827
3:02:48
3:02:51
the regulatory bodies are all saying
3828
3:02:51
3:02:54
that this vaccine is safe and effective
3829
3:02:54
3:02:56
and it is not experimental.
3830
3:02:56
3:02:58
You can go and look at all the fact checkers.
3831
3:02:58
3:03:01
So how is anybody giving informed consent, Sam?
3832
3:03:01
3:03:02
Not, I agree with you.
3833
3:03:03
3:03:06
What I'm saying, you didn't let me finish.
3834
3:03:06
3:03:09
What needed to happen was that the doctors
3835
3:03:09
3:03:11
who should have been free to speak
3836
3:03:11
3:03:14
should have been free to speak and not suppressed.
3837
3:03:14
3:03:17
That would have solved the problem
3838
3:03:17
3:03:19
because at the time it was rolled out,
3839
3:03:19
3:03:22
you did not know and I did not know
3840
3:03:22
3:03:25
that that vaccine was not going to be beneficial.
3841
3:03:25
3:03:26
We did not know.
3842
3:03:28
3:03:30
Sorry, we didn't know what?
3843
3:03:30
3:03:32
I knew that it was highly unlikely
3844
3:03:32
3:03:33
to be beneficial to anyone.
3845
3:03:33
3:03:37
Ah, now you chose your words very carefully there, Stephen.
3846
3:03:37
3:03:38
So I'm in a situation where somebody-
3847
3:03:39
3:03:42
Sam, I would have said, okay, look,
3848
3:03:43
3:03:45
I know and I've known for a long time
3849
3:03:45
3:03:49
that nobody knows what's in these vaccines.
3850
3:03:49
3:03:54
So given that leads on to
3851
3:03:54
3:03:57
it's impossible to obtain informed consent.
3852
3:03:59
3:04:01
Because the doctors don't even know.
3853
3:04:01
3:04:05
They don't even know it's a trial half the doctors.
3854
3:04:05
3:04:05
Correct.
3856
3:04:06
3:04:09
So they're in-
3857
3:04:09
3:04:11
What I'm saying to you is that,
3858
3:04:11
3:04:13
so let's say you came to me, okay,
3859
3:04:13
3:04:15
and you're in an age group that's at risk
3860
3:04:15
3:04:17
and we've got a drug company saying,
3861
3:04:17
3:04:20
we've got a drug here that we are saying
3862
3:04:20
3:04:21
is going to protect you.
3863
3:04:21
3:04:23
So at the beginning of the vaccine rollout,
3864
3:04:23
3:04:27
that older person at risk came to me, okay,
3865
3:04:27
3:04:29
and said to me, and if I was free to talk,
3866
3:04:29
3:04:32
I would say, well, you've got an experimental vaccine choice.
3867
3:04:32
3:04:35
You've got hydroxychloroquine ivermectin choice
3868
3:04:36
3:04:38
if you get sick, this is what I believe in,
3869
3:04:38
3:04:39
or you can do nothing.
3870
3:04:39
3:04:42
We don't know what the correct answer is.
3871
3:04:42
3:04:47
And that was the case in January, 2021.
3872
3:04:47
3:04:50
As it got to June, 2021,
3873
3:04:50
3:04:52
it was absolutely clear that it wasn't the case
3874
3:04:52
3:04:53
and it wasn't doing anything.
3875
3:04:53
3:04:57
And now we're in February, 2022,
3876
3:04:57
3:04:59
if I was free to speak and somebody in that risk group
3877
3:04:59
3:05:01
said to me, oh, should I get the vaccine?
3878
3:05:01
3:05:04
I'll say, well, A, we don't know what's in it,
3879
3:05:04
3:05:07
we never did, but B, we now have safety signals
3880
3:05:07
3:05:09
that are very concerning and C,
3881
3:05:09
3:05:11
we also know from the UK HSA data
3882
3:05:11
3:05:13
that your risk of getting infection is higher.
3883
3:05:14
3:05:16
That's all I'd need to say,
3884
3:05:16
3:05:18
but I'm not allowed to say that.
3885
3:05:20
3:05:22
Well, yes, but my argument is that
3886
3:05:24
3:05:29
unfortunately, doctors have a huge duty to any society
3887
3:05:29
3:05:34
and they have a duty to say to the patients
3888
3:05:36
3:05:41
that actually, I can't give you the information
3889
3:05:41
3:05:44
which allows you to give me your consent.
3890
3:05:44
3:05:47
You're correct, correct.
3891
3:05:47
3:05:49
So after that, after Edith-
3892
3:05:49
3:05:51
But the point is, Sam, that I was gonna say,
3893
3:05:51
3:05:52
sorry, I lost my problem.
3894
3:05:52
3:05:56
So I was going to say that doctors
3895
3:05:56
3:06:00
should not have allowed themselves to be silenced.
3896
3:06:00
3:06:04
Correct, that's the whole crux of this issue.
3897
3:06:04
3:06:08
So doctors are the most culpable in this crisis,
3898
3:06:08
3:06:11
unfortunately, followed by the media.
3899
3:06:11
3:06:13
No, no, I disagree.
3900
3:06:13
3:06:15
Oh, so Sam, would you like to-
3901
3:06:15
3:06:19
I'll be politely in that we can only act
3902
3:06:19
3:06:21
within the restrictions that are placed upon us.
3903
3:06:21
3:06:24
So I could go out tomorrow and say,
3904
3:06:24
3:06:25
I don't believe in this, I don't believe in this.
3905
3:06:25
3:06:28
What would happen is I'll be Wakefielded.
3906
3:06:28
3:06:29
I would be Wakefielded.
3907
3:06:29
3:06:33
So you tell me, is Andrew Wakefield
3908
3:06:33
3:06:35
more influential now than he was before?
3909
3:06:37
3:06:42
No, because they take his registration and nullify him.
3910
3:06:43
3:06:45
So even good-
3911
3:06:45
3:06:48
And there are hundreds of us, even good-hearted doctors
3912
3:06:48
3:06:50
cannot just go out and say, we've got to stop this.
3913
3:06:50
3:06:52
We've got to do what we're doing now.
3914
3:06:52
3:06:53
Like we go in the background and we say,
3915
3:06:53
3:06:55
oh, this is wrong, this is wrong.
3916
3:06:55
3:06:57
It's not ethical, blah, blah, blah.
3917
3:06:57
3:06:59
We can't just go out and say, no, no, you can't do that.
3918
3:06:59
3:07:00
We'll go on TV.
3919
3:07:00
3:07:02
We'll just take you out.
3920
3:07:02
3:07:06
But the problem is your regulators.
3921
3:07:06
3:07:08
Your regulators have been captured.
3922
3:07:08
3:07:09
That is your problem.
3923
3:07:10
3:07:12
Sure, I agree.
3924
3:07:12
3:07:15
But unfortunately at the doctor's trial,
3925
3:07:15
3:07:20
the doctors tried to argue that they were following orders
3926
3:07:20
3:07:21
and there was times of emergency.
3927
3:07:21
3:07:25
And doctors no doubt now would argue exactly the same thing,
3928
3:07:25
3:07:28
but it didn't work at the doctor's trial.
3929
3:07:28
3:07:30
No, I agree.
3930
3:07:30
3:07:31
So from my perspective,
3931
3:07:31
3:07:33
I've signed the Great Barrington Declaration.
3932
3:07:33
3:07:36
I've got my signature on the doctors for COVID ethics thing.
3933
3:07:36
3:07:38
So when the trial comes, I'm going to say, look,
3934
3:07:38
3:07:40
I wasn't one of these people.
3935
3:07:40
3:07:42
I tried to do my best.
3936
3:07:42
3:07:44
I have signed these declarations.
3937
3:07:44
3:07:47
So one way of going around this is to say,
3938
3:07:47
3:07:49
if you can get the coverage is to say,
3939
3:07:49
3:07:52
okay, let's go to every doctor on Twitter
3940
3:07:52
3:07:56
that is pushing this on five-year-olds or pregnant women
3941
3:07:56
3:07:59
and say, do you declare this now?
3942
3:08:01
3:08:03
You could get a website going,
3943
3:08:03
3:08:06
a declaration website of every doctor
3944
3:08:06
3:08:07
on the opposite side from me
3945
3:08:07
3:08:09
and the Great Barrington Declaration people,
3946
3:08:09
3:08:10
the opposite side,
3947
3:08:10
3:08:15
and get them to sign up that they 100% advocate
3948
3:08:16
3:08:18
that this vaccine is safe and effective
3949
3:08:18
3:08:21
at reducing disease from COVID-19
3950
3:08:21
3:08:23
and is safe in pregnancy and is safe in children
3951
3:08:23
3:08:25
and will not have long-term effects.
3952
3:08:25
3:08:28
And you make that website and they have to sign it.
3953
3:08:28
3:08:30
And you go to them on Twitter and say,
3954
3:08:30
3:08:32
can you sign this website, please?
3955
3:08:32
3:08:33
And nobody will sign it.
3956
3:08:33
3:08:35
And then you've got the evidence there
3957
3:08:35
3:08:37
that they were pushing some things
3958
3:08:37
3:08:39
that they did not believe in.
3959
3:08:40
3:08:41
That's interesting.
3960
3:08:41
3:08:45
I've got evidence that I've signed two declarations.
3961
3:08:45
3:08:47
I've signed a Lancetgate letter.
3962
3:08:47
3:08:51
I've got various paper trails that said,
3963
3:08:51
3:08:54
I did not push this on people.
3964
3:08:54
3:08:55
If you want to get it, you get it.
3965
3:08:55
3:08:57
If you don't want to get it, you don't get it.
3966
3:08:57
3:09:00
Well, Sam, would you like to retract your statement
3967
3:09:00
3:09:01
that you said earlier
3968
3:09:01
3:09:04
that you think the vaccination should continue,
3969
3:09:04
3:09:05
given that we've just demonstrated
3970
3:09:05
3:09:08
that nobody's given an informed consent since the start?
3971
3:09:09
3:09:13
Yes, you've complicated it a little bit in that.
3972
3:09:14
3:09:17
All right, so the question is,
3973
3:09:17
3:09:20
should the vaccination continue now?
3974
3:09:20
3:09:22
That's slightly different from what happened last year.
3975
3:09:22
3:09:24
Last year, I absolutely believed
3976
3:09:24
3:09:27
that the vaccine should have been offered to people.
3977
3:09:27
3:09:29
I don't have a problem with it.
3978
3:09:29
3:09:32
My problem is that it should have been offered on the basis
3979
3:09:32
3:09:33
that it was an investigation of therapy
3980
3:09:33
3:09:36
that we don't know the long-term consequences of
3981
3:09:36
3:09:37
and may not be effective.
3982
3:09:37
3:09:39
That would be the right thing to do.
3983
3:09:40
3:09:42
Well, it's interesting that-
3984
3:09:42
3:09:44
But also because we didn't know the contents.
3985
3:09:44
3:09:48
Eight weeks after they first vaccinated
3986
3:09:48
3:09:50
women of childbearing age, okay?
3987
3:09:50
3:09:52
Eight weeks after they started doing it,
3988
3:09:52
3:09:54
because everybody during the trials was told
3989
3:09:54
3:09:56
to use two methods of contraception.
3990
3:09:56
3:09:59
So we know that the first time they vaccinated women
3991
3:09:59
3:10:04
of childbearing age was about April going into May
3992
3:10:04
3:10:06
in the UK, okay?
3993
3:10:06
3:10:07
Eight weeks after that,
3994
3:10:07
3:10:12
the chief midwife for the NHS England
3995
3:10:12
3:10:15
went public and said that it's safe and effective
3996
3:10:15
3:10:17
all pregnant women should be vaccinated.
3997
3:10:17
3:10:21
Two months after that, the health minister for Wales,
3998
3:10:22
3:10:23
what's her name?
3999
3:10:25
3:10:26
Elinor Morgan.
4000
3:10:26
3:10:29
She went public and said that this vaccine
4001
3:10:29
3:10:32
is safe and effective and pregnant women
4002
3:10:32
3:10:33
should all go and get the job, okay?
4003
3:10:33
3:10:36
At that point, they'd only been vaccinating pregnant,
4004
3:10:36
3:10:41
well, women of childbearing age for two months,
4005
3:10:42
3:10:44
sorry, four months by that point.
4006
3:10:44
3:10:47
So doesn't it take nine months to make a baby?
4007
3:10:47
3:10:49
Shouldn't the whole vaccination program-
4008
3:10:49
3:10:52
Theresa, you are preaching to the converted.
4009
3:10:52
3:10:53
I'm gonna tell you something now.
4010
3:10:53
3:10:57
I wrote to the Royal College in April last year
4011
3:10:57
3:11:00
and outlined an eight point letter
4012
3:11:00
3:11:02
as to why their information on their website
4013
3:11:02
3:11:05
was inaccurate and could mean that the college
4014
3:11:05
3:11:07
could be held liable in the future.
4015
3:11:07
3:11:09
Nobody else has done that.
4016
3:11:10
3:11:12
Now they ignored me and they wrote back to me,
4017
3:11:12
3:11:14
but it doesn't matter because I've got that letter
4018
3:11:14
3:11:18
and that letter has been sent to the lawyers in the UK
4019
3:11:18
3:11:22
who are now following this pathway of criminal action, okay?
4020
3:11:22
3:11:25
But what I couldn't do is I couldn't go on the internet
4021
3:11:25
3:11:26
and say, you shouldn't do this.
4022
3:11:27
3:11:30
Now that doesn't mean that I shouldn't,
4023
3:11:30
3:11:33
that doesn't mean that that vaccine
4024
3:11:33
3:11:34
shouldn't have been offered to people.
4025
3:11:34
3:11:34
And I'll tell you why.
4026
3:11:34
3:11:36
This is what happens to an individual doctor.
4027
3:11:36
3:11:39
So you come along and you're pregnant, okay?
4028
3:11:39
3:11:41
And you say, should I take this COVID vaccine?
4029
3:11:41
3:11:44
And I say, I think you should have to be really,
4030
3:11:44
3:11:47
really careful about taking any drug in pregnancy
4031
3:11:47
3:11:49
that has not been investigated in long-term studies.
4032
3:11:49
3:11:52
And they say, well, I'm really scared of getting COVID
4033
3:11:52
3:11:55
and COVID has caused miscarriages or causes stillbirth.
4034
3:11:55
3:11:59
So if I don't get this vaccine and then I have a stillbirth,
4035
3:11:59
3:12:01
I'm going to blame you or I'm going to blame the advice.
4036
3:12:01
3:12:03
So you can't actually win.
4037
3:12:03
3:12:06
Because you don't know the answer as a doctor,
4038
3:12:06
3:12:10
your only honest answer is to say, I don't know.
4039
3:12:10
3:12:12
And therefore I'm not going to take
4040
3:12:12
3:12:14
that opportunity away from you.
4041
3:12:14
3:12:15
If you want to get it going.
4042
3:12:15
3:12:16
But Sam, if you don't know,
4043
3:12:16
3:12:19
you can't obtain non-form consent.
4044
3:12:19
3:12:20
And that's what I'm saying.
4045
3:12:20
3:12:24
You say the patient should be given the information
4046
3:12:24
3:12:27
that this is completely untested, untried therapy.
4047
3:12:27
3:12:30
And there are so many problems from the past
4048
3:12:30
3:12:32
of untested, untried therapies in pregnancy.
4049
3:12:32
3:12:34
And that's why I wrote to the Royal College
4050
3:12:34
3:12:36
in April last year and said,
4051
3:12:36
3:12:38
you can't say what you're saying on the internet.
4052
3:12:38
3:12:41
What you have to say is it has not been tested.
4053
3:12:41
3:12:43
And they did not change it.
4054
3:12:44
3:12:44
So I'm honestly-
4055
3:12:44
3:12:47
I don't understand why it pointed his patients
4056
3:12:47
3:12:50
to the MHRA yellow card data.
4057
3:12:50
3:12:53
That was a really sensible thing to do,
4058
3:12:53
3:12:56
but he still got suspended, didn't he?
4059
3:12:56
3:12:58
And you see it and see, can you see the problem?
4060
3:12:58
3:13:01
So if nobody's outside that,
4061
3:13:01
3:13:03
they'll just get suspended.
4062
3:13:03
3:13:06
So it's gotta be pitchforks and torches then.
4063
3:13:06
3:13:08
That's the only way we're gonna do it.
4065
3:13:08
3:13:13
If Stephen's criminal action fails, I mean, it may be.
4066
3:13:13
3:13:17
But the argument you're picking with me
4067
3:13:17
3:13:21
is that I said that the vaccine should have been allowed.
4068
3:13:21
3:13:23
Well, actually, you lost me at-
4069
3:13:23
3:13:24
You agree with vaccines,
4070
3:13:24
3:13:26
that they're generally a good idea.
4071
3:13:26
3:13:30
I personally know four children that were vaccine injured
4072
3:13:30
3:13:31
within hours.
4073
3:13:31
3:13:34
I mean, they became autistic or brain damaged
4074
3:13:34
3:13:36
within hours of the MMR jab.
4075
3:13:36
3:13:38
I personally, that's in my own family,
4076
3:13:38
3:13:40
nevermind the autistic kids I used to work with.
4077
3:13:40
3:13:42
We don't wanna be haranguing.
4078
3:13:43
3:13:45
Yeah, but I just,
4079
3:13:45
3:13:47
I think we've gotta reevaluate
4080
3:13:47
3:13:49
everything we ever talked about medicine.
4081
3:13:49
3:13:52
You can disagree with me as much as you want,
4082
3:13:52
3:13:57
but I am, of the spectrum of people,
4083
3:13:57
3:14:01
more on your side than 99% of the doctors.
4084
3:14:01
3:14:02
And that's the problem.
4085
3:14:02
3:14:03
I was a care worker.
4086
3:14:03
3:14:07
Where were the NHS 100,000 when myself
4087
3:14:07
3:14:08
and all my colleagues were being told
4088
3:14:08
3:14:10
that we couldn't work unless we were jabbed?
4089
3:14:10
3:14:11
I mean, this-
4090
3:14:11
3:14:13
You're actually undercover.
4091
3:14:13
3:14:15
Yeah, we've got a problem, haven't we, Sam?
4093
3:14:17
3:14:20
Well, I personally think these are the greatest-
4094
3:14:20
3:14:23
Sam, I think that these,
4095
3:14:23
3:14:24
this is my opinion,
4096
3:14:24
3:14:26
that these are the greatest crimes against humanity
4097
3:14:27
3:14:28
ever committed.
4098
3:14:28
3:14:30
I'm including not just the vaccinations,
4099
3:14:30
3:14:32
but the social distancing,
4100
3:14:32
3:14:34
the lockdowns,
4101
3:14:34
3:14:35
the psychological trauma,
4102
3:14:35
3:14:38
the brainwashing.
4103
3:14:38
3:14:40
It's just awful.
4104
3:14:40
3:14:43
The psychological torture of coercion
4105
3:14:43
3:14:47
and the arbitrariness of these nonsense rules.
4106
3:14:47
3:14:49
Now, and I think that's where we should,
4107
3:14:49
3:14:51
that's where people should focus their energies
4108
3:14:51
3:14:53
in terms of criminal action,
4109
3:14:53
3:14:54
is about the coercion.
4110
3:14:54
3:14:57
There are actions also going on to say,
4111
3:14:57
3:14:59
you need to stop this vaccination rollout
4112
3:14:59
3:15:03
until such and such criteria has been evaluated.
4113
3:15:03
3:15:04
That's correct.
4114
3:15:04
3:15:05
That's the correct thing to do.
4115
3:15:05
3:15:07
So, I agree with you.
4116
3:15:07
3:15:10
It should be stopped at the point of that.
4117
3:15:10
3:15:12
That's where, if you haven't got this information,
4118
3:15:12
3:15:15
you've got to pause until you've got this information.
4119
3:15:15
3:15:17
Because your safety signal,
4120
3:15:17
3:15:17
you've now got evidence
4121
3:15:17
3:15:19
that your safety signal is too strong.
4122
3:15:19
3:15:22
You didn't have that evidence in March last year.
4125
3:15:26
3:15:27
Quick question.
4126
3:15:29
3:15:33
What would happen to a doctor if they recuse themselves?
4127
3:15:33
3:15:37
In other words, they neither confirm nor deny it.
4128
3:15:37
3:15:40
They neither advocate nor disparage the vaccine.
4129
3:15:40
3:15:42
They just say, I don't give vaccines.
4130
3:15:42
3:15:44
I don't give advice on vaccines.
4131
3:15:44
3:15:47
By doing that, you're telling the patient
4132
3:15:47
3:15:49
that you're very skeptical about them,
4133
3:15:49
3:15:52
but you're not explicitly saying it.
4134
3:15:53
3:15:56
Would the Australian regulator go after you
4135
3:15:56
3:15:57
if you recused yourself?
4136
3:15:57
3:15:59
Well, they haven't come after me yet,
4137
3:15:59
3:16:02
but they would like to.
4138
3:16:03
3:16:05
So, no, I don't think they can come after you
4139
3:16:05
3:16:06
for recusing yourself.
4140
3:16:07
3:16:10
Well, Sam, if they do come after you, then let me know.
4141
3:16:14
3:16:15
Thank you, Scott.
4142
3:16:16
3:16:18
We'll send Stephen to Australia.
4143
3:16:19
3:16:20
I think they will try,
4144
3:16:20
3:16:21
but you have to remember that
4145
3:16:22
3:16:26
the way I look at it is I'm under an ethical duty
4146
3:16:26
3:16:28
that is in their policies,
4147
3:16:28
3:16:32
that my primary duty is to the care
4148
3:16:32
3:16:34
of the patients and the public.
4149
3:16:34
3:16:37
So I have been typed,
4150
3:16:37
3:16:42
because David Wiseman gave a presentation
4151
3:16:42
3:16:43
to the FDA on boosters,
4152
3:16:43
3:16:45
and my name was on that paper,
4153
3:16:45
3:16:48
because I helped him with some of the women's stuff.
4154
3:16:48
3:16:51
And then I got targeted by the media
4155
3:16:51
3:16:53
for existing in that paper.
4156
3:16:54
3:16:55
In Australia?
4157
3:16:57
3:16:59
So I submitted that document then
4158
3:16:59
3:17:01
as a public interest disclosure.
4159
3:17:01
3:17:05
And in Australia, if you make a public interest disclosure
4160
3:17:05
3:17:08
and somebody comes after you, it's a criminal act.
4161
3:17:08
3:17:11
So they can go to jail for two years.
4163
3:17:12
3:17:14
You don't have that in the UK.
4164
3:17:14
3:17:15
You've got employment law,
4165
3:17:15
3:17:17
which is what Sam White went under.
4166
3:17:17
3:17:19
And you've got employment law disclosure acts,
4167
3:17:19
3:17:22
but you don't have a criminal response.
4168
3:17:25
3:17:29
Well, actually what Sam White won on in the end
4169
3:17:29
3:17:32
was on a free speech issue.
4170
3:17:32
3:17:34
Yeah, he only half won though.
4171
3:17:36
3:17:39
Well, he won in the high courts.
4172
3:17:39
3:17:40
No, no, I get that, but he only half won,
4173
3:17:40
3:17:44
because they essentially won on a technicality, didn't they?
4174
3:17:46
3:17:49
Well, yes, but I think the judge was quite clever
4175
3:17:50
3:17:53
because he wanted to find in Sam's favor
4176
3:17:53
3:17:55
and he found that technicality.
4177
3:17:55
3:17:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's good.
4178
3:17:57
3:17:59
But that again, relies on the judge, doesn't it?
4179
3:17:59
3:18:00
So is Sam White back practicing
4180
3:18:00
3:18:02
and able to speak freely?
4181
3:18:02
3:18:03
That's the question.
4182
3:18:04
3:18:07
I don't think he wants to work in the present NHS
4183
3:18:07
3:18:09
and neither do I.
4184
3:18:09
3:18:10
He speaks very freely.
4185
3:18:10
3:18:14
He's got a telegram page that he's quite prolific on.
4186
3:18:14
3:18:17
Oh, they're absolutely terrified of Sam White now, yeah.
4188
3:18:20
3:18:21
But they'll come after him again.
4189
3:18:23
3:18:25
But that's what I'm saying, that's the problem,
4190
3:18:25
3:18:27
that's the problem, Steve, is the regulators.