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So hello everybody. Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and today's
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discussion. This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost over almost four years ago.
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With a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health, Stephen has stood up against
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government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical
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specialty is radiology. At this time we remember Ryan Ofulmik, German and US lawyer who's currently
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unlawfully incarcerated by the German government undergoing a show trial in Germany. I will put
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his latest transcript of his statement into the chat the link so thank you Dagmar. Both a video
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but an English statement that will bring you all up to speed with what's happening to him. There
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was a demonstration on November the 30th in Geneva and we call on the German government to
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immediately release Reiner from prison and it's still an outrage that he's being transported from
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jail to court shackled on a civil matter. We also remember the late Anna de Bussere,
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also a great contributor to this group who died on the 30th of November. Ironic that
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Reiner's demonstration and Anna died on the same day the 30th of November. I'm Charles Kovest,
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the moderator of this group. I'm Australasian passion provocateur and we love passionate
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people in these meetings. I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago and
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over the last 14 years I helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage
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and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company. We comprise
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lots of professions here and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were
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okay now many of us proudly say and that includes me that we are passionate anti-vaxxers and I say
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again you go to the website inform-me.org an Australian educative website that will enable
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you to share the news of the fraud that is that is childhood vaccines. No vaccine has ever been
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properly tested for safety or efficacy ever in the history of mankind. If this is your first time
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here welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish
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a newsletter or podcast put the links into the chat and we can follow you promote you and find
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you. I make the observation there are comments put on the recording of these meetings by people
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who say that that certain people are idiots for saying what they do. Now we love comments on the
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recordings on the other hand abusive comments in on the recording on the rumble website will be
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removed if you don't publish your name. So if you're going under a fake name and indeed that's
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something we might talk about on social media the reason why social media becomes so devastating
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for people is because people don't use their proper names. I use my proper name this is me
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and if you're putting comments in the recording without your proper name it will be removed if
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it's derogatory. If you're sharing an idea terrific it won't be removed. Most of us understand we're
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in middle of world war three and the medical science battle on the principles of medicine and
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science is only one of 12 battle fronts. The attacks that have been made on doctors like
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Jerry Warders and like our guest today Miley Trinh is also part of this world war. There's no
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time to be tired we're four and a half years into a seven year war so look after your health and be
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up for the fight for the next two and a half years. The meeting runs for two and a half hours after
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which for those with the time Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts the links into
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the chat if you're able to join. We'll listen to our guest presenter today Dr Miley Trinh for as
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long as Miley wishes to speak and then we have Q&A. Stephen Frost by long established tradition asks
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the first questions for 15 minutes. This is a free speech environment. If you're offended by anything
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by the way free speech doesn't mean we don't allow ad hominem attacks. I don't I'm the moderator I
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don't allow ad hominem attacks in other words you can say I disagree with what someone says
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but you can't say that that Tom or Stephen is an idiot or that he's whatever so you understand what
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an ad hominem you don't attack the person attack the ideas. If you're offended by anything be
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offended we're lovingly not interested we reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say
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anything that may offend another and the attacks are going on I mean people sex sex offenders
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being removed from jail to put into jail in the UK people who say something that might be offensive
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it's outrageous we reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say anything that may
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offend another we also reject the triggering industry however we come with an attitude and
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perspective of love not fear. Fear is the opposite of love fear squashes and enslaves you love
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expands you liberates you. These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests an extraordinary
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range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by attendees
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in these meetings. If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will help
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people put the details in the chat the meeting is recorded and is uploaded on the Rumble channel
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and they're welcome to our guest presenter Dr Mai Li Trinh we thank you Mai Li for giving us your
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time we thank Dr Ahmad Malik one of our group for organizing Mai Li to speak to us and for the
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purposes of the recording I wish to give a little bit of background on Mai Li and her topic is a
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doctor's fight against systemic injustice. Mai Li's life story is one of triumph over adversity
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escaping the horrors of the Khmer Rouge regime at the age of five. She endured the devastating
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loss of a mother who was killed by the Cambodian regime sent to live with her aunt in Vietnam. She
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spent several years under communist rule before making a daring escape as a boat refugee.
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At the age of 12 she arrived in Australia determined to build a new life.
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Despite the challenges of adapting to a new country, language and culture Mai Li excelled
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academically graduating third in her high school class. Her hard work and resilience earned her a
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place at the University of Sydney where she pursued medicine. The career she envisioned as a way to
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serve her community and honor her mother's legacy. For 27 years Mai Li was a highly regarded GP in
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Sydney. She cared for her patients while also volunteering her medical expertise in rural Cambodia
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offering free care to underserved communities. Her career remained exemplary until September
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2021 when two complaints were filed against her on the same day through the Australian Health
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Practitioners Regulatory Agency portal, ARPRA, marking the beginning of an extraordinary and
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unjust ordeal. Fake allegations were made against her. She was indefinitely suspended.
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Like Jerry Waters we've heard about on these calls she was suspended indefinitely under emergency
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powers meant only for genuine crises. While Mai Li does not know if her indefinite suspension was
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orchestrated she believes she the rushed inquiry raises serious questions about the process after
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her suspension. Mai Li was referred for investigation. Internal documents suggest the outcome of this
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internal documents suggest the outcome of this investigation had been predetermined raising
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doubts about the fairness. So a judicial review has taken place. She's in a fight for justice.
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She has brought a case to the Court of Appeal and it's cost her hundreds of thousands of dollars
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and her fight goes on. Her ordeal is not just her story it's a cautionary tale about systemic
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flaws in the regulatory and judicial systems that we've heard much about here. Her case
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raises critical questions. Can anonymous unverifiable complaints dictate the fate of
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professionals? What safeguards exist to ensure fairness in disciplinary actions?
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And despite the immense personal and professional toll Mai Li Trinh remains steadfast in her fight.
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Her courage and determination serve as a call for reform challenging a system that
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oritizes bureaucracy over justice. And her story we will hear today is a reminder of the importance
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of standing firm in the face of adversity and fighting for what we fight for on this call which
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is truth, justice, fairness, ethics, proper application of law and proper health. So Mai Li
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thank you for being here again. Armand Mai Li thank you for organizing Mai Li and thank you
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Stephen Frost for creating this group and for organizing Mai Li to be with us today. Mai Li
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we are in your hands. Welcome and commiserations on the crap you've gone through and a number of
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people Jerry Waters hit like gone through similar crap to you. I'm sure we'll be able to compare
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notes and see what we can do about that. Please share your thoughts with us and then we look
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forward to a discussion with you. Good morning Charles and everyone thank you for having me.
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That was an incredible introduction. I think that you've covered everything I don't need to say
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anything. Can you hear me well? Yes very clear. I will close a bit. Yes okay so yes I essentially
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was targeted. I felt that I was set up not just by the people who made the complaints against me
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but the health regulatory body, the insurance company who sent lawyers to deliberately
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cause me to cause my demise and over and over they have done everything to stop me. In fact
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even the recent just a few months ago same thing happened again.
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So just going back to the beginning how this all got started.
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When the pandemic came I wasn't really practicing at the time. I took a bit of time off trying to
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find out and research what was happening because I wanted to know whether the virus was as deadly
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as they said it to be and whether there's any treatment available. When either Macdon came
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along I was very excited because I knew this was going to be able to treat a lot of people. So I
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immediately got back to work and I like to offer the service to the sick but in Australia like
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other parts of the world the management of COVID vaccines infection is to stay at home, do nothing,
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wait till you turn blue and go to the hospital. So that was the health directive that was given
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to the public and to doctors. I mean a lot of us who wanted to help couldn't get patients because
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patients the minute they have the infection they were forced to stay in the house in lockdown and
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a lot of them panicked and didn't know what to do. So I was very excited to be able to do this.
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Somehow another one of well one a colleague of mine had well she knew someone who was sick
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and asked me whether I could help this lady who's not really that sick and who just needed a bit of
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directions as how to manage her condition. So I was in touch with her children and
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this lady is essentially a 51 year old lady who was admitted to hospital for
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a question mark a unit-tracking infection and during the course of her stay was found to be
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COVID positive and the management of her COVID was isolation, mask and essentially do nothing
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and also they prevented her family from visiting her. So she was terrified and so she
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discharged against medical advice and she over the course of days her condition deteriorated
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and that's when the family asked for help. So by the time I got to see her,
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was seeing her when I met by that is actually I was carrying out telephone consults because she
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was in an area of Sydney where it was it was it's been locked down so there's five areas of local
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government area in the southwest of south west of Sydney that was in lockdown for prolonged period
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and so if anyone in this area who's sick with COVID they were forced to stay at home
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for two weeks at least or until their PCR test is negative. So this lady who was essentially
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in her home she been to the hospital she came back and she's sick and she doesn't know what to do
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she can't get help and so I assessed her over the phone and realized that she's quite unwell
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and I said that she's probably a bit late to receive, for me to make a difference and she
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might need to go to hospital. The family refused to take her because they were awake
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and they knew that she's going to get mechanically ventilated, she's going to receive remdesivir
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so they resisted as much as possible and so she had her dose of ivermectin she didn't know how to
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take so I told her what to do and but I told her after a few hours that she's too late
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because we need access to an oxygen machine and unless she's able to access that I can't treat her.
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So she's able to organize the oxygen machine her oxygen saturation time was about 88 in the morning
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but by afternoon it's gone down to about 71 and so a few hours later she in the evening she got
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hold of an oxygen machine and the oxygen well with oxygen her sets went up to 91 percent
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so I continued to treat her hoping that I could keep her out of the hospital and could keep her
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out of you know the lethal treatment the lethal concoction that they give to patients in hospital.
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So over the next two days she was difficult to maintain her oxygen I gave her all that I could
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which was ivermectin I use a variety protocol which was ivermectin 24 milligrams doxycycline zinc
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I gave her vitamin D I wake her in 50 milligrams she's she's of middle eastern descent so I think
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that she had low vitamin D so it made her very vulnerable to severe COVID. I gave her
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fluoxamine because she's also got history of anxiety and been on an SSRI before so I said
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why not work with SSRI another SSRI I gave her gudez at night she's got history of asthma and
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yeah essentially gave her everything that I could and despite add some low dose prednisone and
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with that she's able to maintain her her sets around the low 90s but then she continued to
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deteriorate over the course of the first few days so I made a decision to treat her with
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high dose steroids because I couldn't maintain her oxygen to an acceptable level despite her being
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on maximum support of you know the home oxygen it's basically up to the maximum and I gave her all
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medication that I could give her so I use what they call post steroids so high dose of prednisolone
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in divided doses 500 milligrams over three days and to see how she responded to that and
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fortunately she I was able to like she responded very well and her oxygen level was
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I was able to maintain her oxygen level to an acceptable level and
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and it was easy it was amazing actually it was so good by the third day I actually dropped her
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prednisone to only 250 and I then weaned her off gradually the prednisone and also able to wean
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off the oxygen over course of about two and a half weeks and this is also a protocol that
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Pierre Corie was advocating and he taught doctors to use this protocol
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unfortunately for me she developed some side effects of prednisone which was
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psychosis so she developed some unusual behavior say some silly stuff and so I recognized that
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that was a side effect of the prednisone and but yeah and by then she was pcr positive
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negative so I said to her to go to a gp and get some follow-up and this could be
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um psychosis from the prednisone and get help so I didn't hear anything from her for
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two or so weeks two three weeks and the next thing I know is I got served with a complaint
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from the healthcare complaints commission with you know a diagnosis of polypharmacy and
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cathelopathy and I'm using too much steroid inappropriate use of steroid and that the
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department of toxicology at westmead hospital is having some problems with me dealing with this
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patient so and then I received a second complaint from a character called John Smith who alleges that
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I um treated a friend of his whose friend has this ivermectin script and so the ivermectin script
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that I prescribed to this friend of his was used as evidence against me and he said that his friend
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doesn't have worms but was prescribed ivermectin by me he's accused me of promoting ivermectin
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and on online uh an alternate treatment of COVID-19 on an online forum and that I'm an anti-vaxxer
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and that he knew exactly three other ivermectin scripts and knew who they were as well
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that I prescribed and he has concern as a public a member of the public about my conduct so that was
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what I got served about three weeks after having treated that patient
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and I've never had a complaint made against me before in my 27 years or closer 30 years of
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being a doctor and I had no idea what this means but I knew it was very serious
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um but I didn't know why I was a complaint was made against me um even the Westmead complaint
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I couldn't understand why anyone would make a complaint against me when I actually saved a life
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so I proceeded to ring the person um who made the complaint they had a mobile number on on the
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complaint so I rang and spoke to this doctor of at the hospital at Westmead hospital
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so she said that she's an intern and she treated that she she uh you know she was involved in the
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care of this patient and I asked her why she made a complaint against me uh and she told me that
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she was instructed to make the complaint she didn't she doesn't know why and uh and that her
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boss was the one who told her to lodge this complaint and uh I proceeded to ask who it was
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and it turns out to be a guy by the name of associate professor Naran Gunja so this individual
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he's uh he's a doctor in specialized in emergency care and he's a toxicologist at Westmead hospital
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this gentleman um on the between the first of September to this third of September roughly
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about a week before the TGA so the equivalent of the FDA in America
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when the TGA banned Ivermectin this person a week before that was making public appearance
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on tv and on radio um denigrating Ivermectin claiming that there was a case of uh Ivermectin
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overdose that he had treated at Westmead and that um people shouldn't procure a cure online
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and that Ivermectin doesn't work and that uh this guy was lucky that nothing happened to him
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from that overdose and that uh Ivermectin doesn't work and people should take the vaccine so the
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um the media spun the story and made it seem like um there's a whole heaps of people at
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turning up to casualty with Ivermectin overdose and people should just stop taking Ivermectin
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shop stop buying the horse patient on an online from from an online source um that's not reliable
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etc and so this story was broadcast all over Australia uh for three consecutive days and
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everybody heard about this Ivermectin overdose man they thought that people were flooding casualty
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but that's that was a lie um I did an FOI to see how many people presented to hospital at that time
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with Ivermectin overdose uh and there were only two cases um in Westmead hospital anyway and um
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so it's a total lie in fact I doubted whether that patient really had a true Ivermectin overdose
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but anyhow I uh that was the person behind my complaint um and obviously it really wasn't about
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my treatment but it was about Ivermectin and I and the John Smith complaint I believe was raised
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by whoever's behind um my target against me but essentially they needed a second complaint in order
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to justify a section 150 investigation which is an interview that they they um that they could
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sort of justify in order to try to suspend me uh so I yeah so so anyway that the the unusual thing
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about the John Smith complaint is that uh it's not an anonymous complaint so you you can lodge
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anonymous complaints against doctors but it has to be um uh you you have to be contactable so the
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complainant had to be reached by the um by the health by by the health regulators
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but this John Smith complaint is completely different um he he cannot be contacted his email
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address doesn't work his telephone number doesn't work and he doesn't have a physical address
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and he's a complete fraud because the prescription that he issued um which was used as evidence
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against me that Ivermectin script was redacted uh it doesn't have a name no address and uh
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and unfortunately he forgot to redact the medicare number so it allows me to trace back
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who that prescription belonged to so the friend that he claimed got that prescription
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whose prescription that belongs to happens to be a family member of mine and I was the one that
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took the script to the chemist and it was left at the chemist because there was no supplies of
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ivermectin and a few weeks later ivermectin was banned so as a result I left the prescription
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behind at the chemist and didn't go back so when I got the complaint and I knew who
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that prescription belonged to and I knew that it was still a word was left at the chemist
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I went back to the chemist and asked them where that was and they couldn't find it and they
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admitted that the prescription got handed over to APRA so APRA had that prescription
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John Smith whoever that was managed to get the prescription from APRA and I was suspended
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based on that so that's the beginning of my ordeal um essentially fake complaint
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a fake complaint and the other complaint wasn't really valid because they never had a consent
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from the patient they persuaded the patient they coerced the patient they lied to the patient
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and she didn't consent
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so I was suspended immediately
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after immediately after the interview with the regulator concerning these two complaints
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they never wanted to know anything about what I was going to say all they wanted was to
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interrogate me to get more information so that they could suspend me
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and they were they were working to file a third complaint against me so
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yeah do you want to ask me questions yes um my lee what I would like is um and we can ask that's
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that's your story but give us a taste of the legal process that you've gone through we've got
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Brad Geyer here who's a lawyer from the US I'm a former lawyer legal strategist and you know the
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the issue is the medical fraternity have stuffed you but but the legal process is also not serving
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you there's no justice in that process including taking the complaints of anonymous person who
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can't be found so what's you know what insights can you share with us on that legal process and
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the cost which is and by the way you're still suspended aren't you yes correct you know and
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and so the the the steps here are you know um designed to serve you as a warning and like
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jerry waters as a warning to other doctors don't you dare go against the narrative so what have
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your lawyers told you about that process or what's your observation about the process
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um well I think that uh my health rig my my my medical indemnity insurance was working against
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me the whole time uh so when I was okay that's very that's very important you know I think that's a
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very important we'll unpack that but I think that's a salutary crucial crucial point because
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I've heard that from a number of doctors that that's what what that's what the medical insurance does
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yep if if I was represented properly at the beginning of the my case I would never been
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suspended um um the the the person that um assigned to my case was a senior uh council
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and she's an experienced and and she's a a fairly capable lawyer but that wasn't her purpose her
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purpose wasn't to help me her purpose was to my demise she she was there um she was put there to
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destroy me she was put there to look like she was doing something but she was not um I was ill
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advised I was very naive um thinking that the medical council was interested to know the truth
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they um yeah so so I I felt very set up by the the the people that lot make created that complaint
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and I was set up by my insurance company and the lawyer that they gave to me to to to help me
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and it was hard at the beginning because I've never faced anything like this before and I
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I didn't know how to deal with it um I knew that um unfortunately for me I knew that my medical
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insurance um was bad but uh I approached a private a lawyer privately and asked him to help me
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but he convinced me not to use him and use the insurance lawyer and that was a mistake that I've
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made I made yeah so anyhow that's a that's a that is a wonderful important warning to everybody who
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watches this recording who's on this call that these medical insurers and the lawyers they
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they um appoint I have seen this happen many times so so yeah you need your own lawyer
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absolutely yeah yeah all right so um Miley anything else you want to share before we get
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to Stephen and and other questions we've got plenty of you know we're great at asking questions
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and your insights and you know I have some other views I want to share with you but keep going and
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then we'll get to the questions the thing is that uh the the the way that I um the way that I
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experienced so far with the legal process is that um they they control everything so there's there's
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just no justice no matter what I do I can never get anywhere because they control the tribunal
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they control the courts they even control the barristers so because I I filed a judicial review
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at the tribunal and then appealed to the court of appeal and the legislation that I challenged was
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mentioned in a prior case and so it was a very straightforward and a very clear
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legislation which states that if a complaint is made and it's serious
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I had to be referred to the tribunal for a hearing and so that that would end my suspension
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but what they did was that they prolonged the suspension by not allowing by not referring me
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to tribunal and I was I felt that I should have won that case and I should have I was hoping to
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set precedent on that matter so that no one no health practitioner in my state would ever be
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suspended indefinitely or prolonged suspension but they manipulated my case they
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um they tried to stop me from going to the court of appeal and that that is that was why they
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initiated a prosecution hearing against me to try and cancel my license which is the hearing I'm
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going into next Monday so they wanted that hearing to go ahead and cancel my license so that by the
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time I get to the court of appeal that I have no standing um um yeah so so they because the case
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is mute you mean that because the case is mute uh not so much mute but um I don't have standing
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I don't have because the matter that this is nothing that um I don't know what the word is
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so my my suspension status was gone they've cancelled and they made a determination
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an administrative determination on my case and there was nothing the court of appeal
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is going to make a difference to my case so um but my at the bottom of all this there was
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fraud there was fraud yes um and so that's a matter for the police in it
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yes I did file a complaint two years ago to the police the police wouldn't investigate
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I followed it up and they were not interested and so just a few months ago I filed a complaint
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to the police commissioner and the police commissioner said that they would investigate
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so when I got a chance to speak to the senior inspector they lost my original filing
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and he spoke to me for uh you know and and interview me on my matter but he wasn't really
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interested in my story it was just more like an exercise to fulfill his requirement that he
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spoke to me um and then he concluded that there was no fraud um that was more collusion
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oh more corruption so he said that because there's no fraud it's not in the the police
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jurisdiction and so he said it was corruption not fraud is that right correct but it was fraud
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it was I told him that his definition of fraud was wrong I he said that because there's no exchange
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of money there's no fraud and that's the only um area of fraud that the police can investigate
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I said that's not true at all um I said you know this is this is a falsified complaint
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it was an intent to cause me harm and I have been harmed from it this is absolutely and he rejected
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that he got angry irritated in fact the next day after that interview he um he got really really
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annoyed with me well he called me accidentally and when I told him um that I like to still serve him
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or provided him provide him with the report that that the police doesn't seem to have
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my original report and that I like him to consider the in the crimes act uh with this
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particular legislation that speaks about fraud that applies to my case and he got angry agitated
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shout and scream at me and that's intimidation yes of a witness of your witness and the actual
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complainant incredible so I filed another complaint against him and that was only a few days ago so
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it's still going um yeah you know master roberts um sorry charles go on sorry Stephen the next the
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next 13 minutes is yours then we'll go to jerry and john you you keep going steven
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okay um my lee thank you very much for coming on a short short notice um I was hoping you turn up
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which is more than I managed to do on time anyway um and I'm sorry about that but anyway um
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uh I don't want to go on too much but I let's say
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I'm a whistleblower and I know exactly what you're talking about you cannot trust any damned lawyer
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who comes before you you have to make your own judgments and rely on your instincts to get a
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lawyer who's vaguely working for you and even then they're working in the system and trying to make
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money out of you so um and uh there's no justice in the united kingdom it doesn't look as though
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there's any justice in Australia too this is a disgrace to both countries and uh I wonder do
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you know malcolm roberts the senator yes I do is does he know about your case he does
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what is he doing to help you nothing much right what can he do well he can put pressure on the
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police to investigate crime okay at the very least I think right okay so um but we can help
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you mildly so we can point you in the right direction charles lives in Australia he's in
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Melbourne were you in Sydney or or correct Sydney okay um but um
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Charles we could get uh we we know so Julian Gillespie is a lawyer isn't he Charles
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yes he is a lawyer and I'm I'm I'm a legal strategist Miley I practiced law for 20 years as
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you heard and you know the fraud that's being perpetrated on on Miley um you know it's in fact
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it's a state it's a state matter it's a state police uh so it's the new south wasp police rather
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than the federal police rather than a federal senator issue steven on the other hand it's
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shining a light on what Miley and um really what you're getting at it Miley what publicity of you
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know has have you been able to generate and I'm just thinking what's going through my mind is to
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shine a light on what you're going through because and amps you know there's also amps been
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established in Australia for just this purpose and so I have I have been a member of amps and
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I didn't get any um value you know any assistance at all so I um withdrew my membership from amps
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yeah is anyone helping you I mean are you just doing all this on your own Miley
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I am it's essentially I'm doing it on my own um I have been able to get small independent media to
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um um to to you know to interview me and to shine a light on my case um I got a good
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following on on social media so I have been putting my case forward I've been educating
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my audience about what's happening to me so I have recently been having more more publicity
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but not enough um and you know I could I could do with more help I I think that if I could get the
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police to investigate my case that would be huge yes and but it sounds to me like the the inspector
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or whoever it was who was essentially intimidating you you're not allowed to lose your temper with a
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with a complaint if you're a policeman in my view and anybody any policeman who does that
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uh with the intent especially you know and and it seems that he did have intent to
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persuade you that you could not get a what you call it um a crime number in the UK
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the equivalent of that because they did exactly the same thing with me they were so frightened
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of me they knew I was telling the truth they spoke to me for two years the police
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Lancashire police in the United Kingdom disgraceful police force they spoke to me for two years to keep
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me warm there was no attack but they wouldn't give me a crime number and eventually my MP
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would put pressure on well he put a lot of pressure on them and he couldn't get them to
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issue a crime number and um but there's always a weak spot you know you can always so the most
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important thing in the case like yours is to identify what is the weakest point
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because once you take out the weakest point everything else comes crumbling down
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right um but you know at the moment it doesn't look as though you've identified what the weakest
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point is but we can help you with that maybe okay so this case of yours is just outrageous and it
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reminds me of my case that was outrageous but I was right in the middle of it so in the end I
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wasn't thinking straight I withdrew my case on my appeal on access to justice grounds and my with
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my own lawyers arguing against me and saying you can't do that because you'll have costs awarded
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against you and I just said in the end by this time I've got PTSD and I said I don't care anymore
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whether they award costs against me or not and we're sick of this legal system and it doesn't work
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and it's a disgrace to this country yes it doesn't work so I sort of resort to a slightly
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different tactic and that is to expose my whole entire case on social media um and I have a lot
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interest from just people just common people they follow me interacting with me and I think that
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that's trouble the um health regulators a lot in fact one of the at one of the hearing um so when
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I was proceeding to about to go to the court of appeal for my judicial review I had I wanted to
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challenge a second matter which was the delegation of power to those medical counsel who suspended me
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and they gave me evidence to show that it wasn't done according to law so I wanted to challenge
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that the court of appeal wanted me to go to the file before the uh the tribunal first
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before it could be heard in the court of appeal so when I filed that case all then the tribunal
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needed to do was to dismiss my case and then I could have my hearing in the court of appeal
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together with my original um challenge but what happened is that they refused to release my
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judgment on on the delegation matter because they were manipulating the process and then they
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allowed the hc to initiate a prosecution hearing against me so that my license can be cancelled so
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that this other proceeding couldn't go ahead because it was a winning a winning case so I um
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I um I I didn't know what to do 16 weeks down the track and I couldn't they wouldn't release
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the judgment so I made a video outside the tribunal and I released it on social media a week later
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a week later they released the judgment yes so that's why I was able to catch up and you know
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they manipulate my case and I did everything to try to reverse that so I did get my court of
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appeal hearing however when I got to my court of appeal they assigned a newly appointed judge
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and two retired judges and they did my case and that's when I realized wow yeah exactly
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one fraud to another it's just incredible um what's in what's interesting is that cost was
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awarded against me but they did not claim they did not make a claim or anything like that
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so I thought that was interesting I said wow because you committed fraud on my case that's
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why you did you could not claim cost so one of the tactics they use is to delay delay the judgment
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it's well known amongst lawyers that delaying the judgment in my case it was seven months till
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I got the judgment from the so-called tribunal you know but it wasn't a kind of disciplinary
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tribunal it's an employment tribunal it was a case which I brought against the British government
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essentially using their legal system so I was never going to win I now realize but I thought
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at the time I'm right here therefore I can win but the reality is the more right you are the more
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effort they spend in trying to silence you and that's exactly what they're doing with you yeah
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I think you understand it so the more right you are the more afraid they are of you and the more
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they have to silence you they will go to extreme lengths to stop you but it is possible to break
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them especially with your background from Cambodia killing fields so yes you've gone from one tyranny
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Cambodia yeah to another tyranny Australia it's a disgrace to Australia but anyway
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so the best thing you can do my Lee is to create a timeline because that was a tactic of the very
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senior barrister he produced an absolutely brilliant 25 page timeline which even the well of
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course the junior barrister was probably sucking up to him but he was no fool either and he said I
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now understand why he wanted a timeline it was a brilliant brilliant timeline I have to say it was
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about 25 pages long very detailed what you're describing is the anatomy of a of a cover-up
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and and using all the state apparatus as far as I can see and and they would be but but you can
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break them you can frighten that you're a woman so that helps you and you're also from Cambodia
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that also I would publicize that as much as you can you came from the killing fields of Cambodia
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to Australia and you find yourself in another tyranny
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anyway exactly I think there's some more questions all right that's that's thank you
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thank you Stephen well a point there timelines everybody I often say I often say to people who
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come to me with problems to do this the quality of their statement makes a massive difference
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Marley I'm sure you've done that work but generally speaking a good statement makes a
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massive difference all right we're good and hands up particular attention to accuracy so that they
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can't say oh she's got the wrong date here you know and therefore she's not reliable so in other
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words nail everything down get people to check is that people around you you know and make sure
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you've got the dates right everything right the truth everywhere as far as you know and if you're
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not sure just say you're not sure yeah I try to create publicity in order to make them scared so
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I am I am an extract of us down in town hall every week now and and I make a speech and then
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I would publish that and I'm gonna because my my hearing is coming up next next week and I'm
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trying to put pressure on them now I have something I found I discovered something really interesting
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and I like your opinion and your advice so an expert witness that they have selected
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it who's produced a report against me against the use of ivermectin etc he is one of their go-to man
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for the last 14 years he has served as a an expert witness for them as well as a tribunal member
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and he had been doing both roles for four years in that within that 14 year period that's a conflict
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of interest yeah he has to be struck off struck out of the case he can't what do you say to jobs
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it's a problem it's a problem having a conflict of expert in fact the rules to the court the rules
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of the court normal court would not allow such an expert to give evidence so that's getting a bit
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more technical witnesses we've got loads of them so if you want Sukrit Bhakdi for example
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to describe the tyranny that we went through in 2020 Sukrit Bhakdi do you know him the German
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the Thai German doctor oh yes doctor Bhakdi yes yeah well we can get him batting for you
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other people as well right okay and so i want to ask so within that 14 years
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i mean he he's no longer a he doesn't play dual roles anymore he's just an expert witness
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for the last six years but he had been in the past where the roles were overlapped now i just
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saw and also every outcome that he's of the case that he's involved in result in the doctor
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getting like punished by by the health regulator for for for their action so i what i did was i
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there were 43 case laws that he was involved in over that 40 over that 14 years period so i
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summarized those and i've written a very strong letter and i just admitted to the New South Wales
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Health Minister and i also filed it to the president of NCAT telling her that this is not on
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and that she should kick this guy out so and i'm i'm going to also ask them why why why the court
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allowed the witness to be sorry the witness to appear as an expert witness when they must have
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known about this association with the court previously but what was court doing what were
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the lawyers doing to allowing that witness into the case yeah attack them on all fronts
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but be careful all right let's get moving sorry no go ahead Charles and Jerry Jerry's turn
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Jerry you you oh that's all right hi um hi Amaila like you i was a GP i was a GP for 40 years i've
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been doctor for 47 years and in after 40 years as a GP in 2020 i recognized i would differ from you
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as far as the pathogenicity of the virus goes insofar as i felt that there was no there was
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little or no pathogenicity to the virus other than what i had seen from coronaviruses over the
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previous 40 years i refused to not examine my patients i continued working i did pretty massive
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practice and had worked very hard i took two holidays in 40 years so i kind of was totally
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in love with my practice totally in love with doing what i did and hugely privileged to be a doctor
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a GP so but in in 2020 in coming into February and March i realized that there was no pathogen
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in the community like um Ryan Cole always says that really what we do is we we watch for patterns
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and that is what experience is seeing patterns there was no change in the pattern of pathogenicity
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of viruses as far as i was concerned so i was so convinced that there was no virus of any relevance
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that i was saying to people i said to my patients that i would happily open the um the patients in
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post-mortem without using a mask that of course would have been a silly thing because it could
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have had lots of other things but i was saying to patients i was so convinced and i was 70 at the
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time so that i was in in the dangerous group i was totally convinced that there was no pathogen of
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any relevance um that that that overall was proven i continued to examine every patient and continued
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to do as what i had done for the previous 40 years and got 100 success rate in pcr diagnosed
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patients that of course is the point of the whole pandemic the pandemic was a pandemic of pcr tests
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not a pandemic of illness uh that that that is my belief and that i believe will be the belief that
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i will bring to the grave unless i get information that changes that i believe there was no pathogen
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of any great importance i never used ivermectin i never used hydroxychloroquine i never used
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anything other than what i'd used for the previous 40 years and that was fundamentally examine every
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patient ears nose throat chest and depending on what i found i treated or didn't treat or brought
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them back and had an x-ray if if they weren't getting better and as i said i got 100 success
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rate um i like you then i refused when when i did i did an ongoing battle for for for a year with
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the irish medical council who um harassed me so to speak um they managed to get somebody who
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complained about me refusing to uh are telling him that the mask was probably causing his problem
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wearing a mask was probably causing his his tracheitis rather than anything else and um
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eventually anyway when the fire when the uh vaccine so-called came around i refused to give it i was
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horrified at the idea of ejecting a modified uh viral rna messenger rna into people i totally
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absolutely disagreed with but then just getting on to our suspensions i've suspended in march
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third of march 2021 and i've still suspended contrary to the medical practitioners act of
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207 um where a according to the section 61 uh it is requirement that there be a time limit put on
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my suspension the president of the high court to whom i brought before with uh two days notice
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forgot to add in the suspend the the time limit whether she forgot i don't know what she did but
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she retired soon after that so when i went back to the medical council he told me well as it happens
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you um it's not our mistake it's the high court's mistake go back to the high court i couldn't go
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back to the high court because the um the talking about the medical protection society
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the you know your legal team yes they're not working for you they're working hand in glove with
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the um the medical council the medical regulatory bodies these and the team is that the appointers
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in ireland is a small group of teams and they and they all sort of rotate through the uh the
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medical defense and the prosecution and so they're at various stages they're doing different jobs
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and um so to think for one minute that you're you're going to be represented by anybody
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you're anybody who will actually do what is right for you in effect they endeavour to keep me silent
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which is quite a difficult thing to do under any circumstances
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they um but but overall we've had a very similar kind of run through my advice to you and i you
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know i i'm i'm loathed to giving advice because i'm probably not very good at following it but um
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don't trust your legal team i i i they they rigged up a separate case to me to try and make me look
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bad and uh the night before i dismissed my legal team the the and arrived in there to the uh inquiry
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uh to saying sorry i have no legal team i'm representing myself i tore the case apart
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so much so that after six days it was meant to be a one day case it went on for onto the seventh day
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they sued for a piece and took the off-ramp by using what's called a section 67 and a 66
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section 67 fundamentally in ireland anyway the medical practitioners act is that the cases
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dropped there's no record of it on your uh there's there's no no recording on your records you've got
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a clean bill of health and uh all you have to do is you know fulfill certain recommendations
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um to recommend you know that i wouldn't commit the offense again i said what what what was the
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offense committing a joke anyway i decided to take the section 67 to clear that out of the way
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so as i can come back at them on the covert case the case to which i'm suspended um that is ongoing
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at the moment so i can't say very much about it but i presented a list of 41 witnesses to them last
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week to uh including the minister for health the then minister for health who happened to be
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no the t-shock in ireland who happened to be with gp and uh they almost had an epileptic fit when
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them when i presented them with a list of 41 witnesses knowing they knowing that i can drag
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one witness out for two days on the uh on the the witness box i could analyze every word and
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analyze it for five different directions because i'm just that kind of awkward bastard
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um that's fundamentally what you have to be my lee you have to you you have to get a degree of
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sort of uh mongrel in you as they would say in america in in in the southern hemisphere you need
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a little bit of a mongrel in you i'm fortunate i was born with it um so that's what you've got
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to do and the other thing don't go to brazil legally you can't win legally because the whole
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the whole system is corrupted and the whole system is complicit and so you're not going to win and
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don't put yourself in a situation where you are liable for for a cost so you don't instigate
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anything and don't allow them put you in a situation where you could even if you're
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representing yourself because they will try and screw you and they will try and destroy you
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because as i say the system is complicit in the greatest crime in history so you know that's
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fundamentally you're not you're not going to get justice or rather you're going to get justice
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when the tide turns and the tide will turn i believe with trump being elected the tide will turn
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not only in america but in in ireland and in a in australia so wait for that and keep your your
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your face in the public view i've been doing that by running for elections and by running for
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elections i in ireland you you get the right to post out a piece of uh information free to every
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house which would be 40 euro for the for the postage stamp
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so it's a cheap way of getting publicity it's a very very cheap way of getting publicity
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so that's why that's what i'm using the electoral system they can now they can they can censor me or
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they can they can um they can exclude me from debates and discussions which they've done
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because i've attacked the green party on a number of occasions they they hate to get they run away
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but uh my advice to you would be to keep your your face in the public try and you know don't depend
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on any legal team because these guys are sitting down they're having golf they're playing golf
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and they're having coffee behind the scenes and they will sacrifice you and they're not going to
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stick their head above the parapet for your sake i try to keep my
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gentleman to a young lady i i'm giving you that advice yes thank you so i try to keep my audience
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um engaged by giving details of what's happening to me in my case that's why
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proceeding is for me to they wanted to cancel my license for three to five years and also making
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me pay for the proceeding and they want to find me as well yeah well at the end of the day they
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will try to destroy you and at the last what we we get have what we call call over meetings where
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we've got a sort of pre-trial uh call over meeting i said you you guys kind of missed the point this
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isn't a disciplinary hearing this is in effect the start of an inquiry into the malicious
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prosecution of me i intend to prove that there was a malicious prosecution oh they nearly the
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legal team nearly died when i said i wasn't supposed to say that at the pre-trial thing
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he said no no no i said i said what can you do to me you've already hanged me what are you going to
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draw and quarter me and send me the bits from me across to each of the cities in ireland no you you've
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no power over me at all and so that i i believe i know i have the frightened insiders telling me
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that they hate having anything to do with me they they they they rather wrap themselves in poison
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i've even invented to do with me okay thank you well said jerry i think i think we'll have to
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jerry i'll set up a three-way conversation between you and mylee and me and we'll talk
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offline okay absolutely i'd be very happy to chat to mylee i if i could be any help to her i i would
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but i have been through it for the last five years four years anyway but in the previous year when
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they were buggering me around you know jerry i i had this vision you know of you and mylee
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getting long hair which you've got and riding down the streets of Dublin and Sydney naked on a horse
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so you know lady godiva
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well maybe maybe on a harley davison perhaps you know but but you know jerry you you know getting
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the publicity you're quite right and and jerome coursey tells us and john look out she's going
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to give some sanitary thoughts as well but jerry i will organize that conversation because you're
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the way that jerry thinks mylee i think would you know would be of value and also vice versa
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okay so we'll set that up thank you jerry and well done so mylee you need to get jerry as one
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of your expert witnesses with his hair down like that with instructions he looks like um the guy
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from um uh in i can't remember his name now on twin peaks i think he was the murderer you know the
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the murder of laura kramer um that that would that would fit but as i say i could be equally
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as vicious at my hair up up on my hair down i i am as you have a little uh what do they call it here
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on the top of your head you're on the side of the back jerry no my wife says i i'm a fabulous friend
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but i'm a terrible enemy i yes i i bear grudges and i'm you know i'm i'm not really a nice person
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i pretend to be i could i've got a psychopathic personality i come across as a really nice person
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you know psychopath so it's very important for mylee to understand that the people who she's
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dealing with at the moment underneath the surface they're absolutely terrified of you mylee just like
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they're terrified of jerry just like they were terrified of me they were absolutely terrified
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of me and they are terrified of you too and jerry anybody who's got the truth they and all right
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go on we go come on they are we keep going because otherwise you're quite right steven and you know
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mylee is fighting the fight and they're in each one has a new one so john what's your thoughts on
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where we're at with what we're dealing with here and the fraud that's being imposed on mylee
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all right are you ready for a left turn into space mylee because you know my job view as just
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providing information all right so you tell me i don't know you i don't hate you i don't hate
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doctors generally but some of them i do hate um you've probably not heard this perspective before
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but the first thought that comes into my head when i read your bio is you guys got what you deserve
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but you only got it indirectly and for all the wrong reasons it's such a convoluted nightmare
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so i apologize for this um but even in the way you tell your story you perpetrate lies um like
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the infection the virus the i mean we got to just really dismiss the entire narrative here and i know
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you're not prepared to do that you don't know it it took me years to figure this out i've
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wrote books on it i believe i got a pretty clear view of who's guilty of what you doctors were
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thrown under the bus i mean you have nothing to lose and i've said this before you're going
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to be replaced and this was always a plan with a medical kiosk that suggests euthanasia either
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will do it or you can do it with a vaccine and those are your only two choices regardless of
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your problem all right so it's a crazy battle but you know i mean i i learned so much i was able to
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take a terminal vaccine injured patient and cure them they're fine now okay everybody ignores this
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because i have no credentials but if i can do this you can learn this you guys you study like crazy
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right but the problem i've seen and i've talked to hundreds of doctors you have no camaraderie
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your your your colleagues don't defend you you don't band together you don't ignore medical boards
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like an army like you should i mean you have to become an extreme activist i heard a while about
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you know rogue doctors that were making underground clinics and just being scofflaws do that you've
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got nothing to lose they already took it all right you want to help somebody i would maybe take the
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advice of a nurse if i was in having a problem i would never listen to a doctor ever you need to
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start scribing stuff learn some real homeopathic medicine that stuff is great if you don't know it
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you should um i mean this is a bit of a rant here i'm going to give you three things that are
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in my view the most important things that people should be spreading instead of all this social
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media story garbage all right i wrote a book on charles rachet i have yet to hear a doctor that
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i meet that knows who charles rachet is do you know who he is no i don't there it is all right
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i'll put it in the chat again when i get them talking to you read this book very short take
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you maybe 20 minutes to cram it right and you know i'm not the greatest author it's my first book but
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look the point is is salient it pulls the rug out of all the vaccines if we can just
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collectively show that they did this one egregious thing all right they'll they
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suppressed charles rachet he was nobel prize winner in 1913 he discovered anaphylaxis and
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since that time he's been like everybody what he did nobody understands if they're in the medical
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professions all it's all conflated with other garbage it it stops the train and i wrote a
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book about this they took it away from me they took my royalties i mean they really
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screwed me but that would be in the hand of if things were normal everybody in the world it
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circled the globe seven times in three months was a best seller biden removed it or his
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administration all right bakhti is very important bakhti kit he has the proof that they made that
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wonderful world-changing vaccine in about an hour i knew this all right
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spread that jj couey is kind of a you know an unsung hero he's you know a phd biologist he was
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on his path for tenure at university i mean this guy can answer any question but he always answers
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it with indoctrinated bullshit usually and he came out of here and kind of apologized he's
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done it like six seven times what a guy what a brain right but you know there's no substance
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to genetics there's no substance to all that kuhá that surrounds the vaccines in the immune system
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all that if i can learn this you can learn this all right so the last thing um well you know it's
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rachet it's bakhti it's jj couey these guys have the most important information in the world
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because it proves the evil and exposes everybody involved in it you know so so
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you know it you got to be a bit of a rebel but you need help you can't do it alone they'll
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crucify you jail you fine you all this stuff i know it's intimidating but you know from the very
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start when Rockefeller medicine took over you guys have been systematically
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miseducated it's got worse worse worse so all i want to do and here's my question now that you
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have this just think about this you don't have to tell me what will you do with this information
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i have yet to hear back from anybody like you that i've given this information to what did you go out
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and do with it i would like you to so i agree with john it's difficult for someone like my
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lead to understand that they suddenly are in a position to really upset the paradigm because
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she's worried about her suspension but to actually realize it quickly enough to to kind of recover
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from the shock and hang on hang on stephen wait wait wait wait i think it's very important what
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you say john that's why i was going to go down another angle stephen you you'll have your
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comments later but i want to take john to stephen i want the views on what john said and i want the
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group to suggest this my lead john says this and i agree and stephen would agree become an extreme
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advocate activist okay that was the words write that down and you are doing that
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i have i have yep i made uh i post all over my social media that uh symbolically i'm activist i
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i'm at the steps of town hall in sydney town hall every week i um they i have my
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picture my photo in fact the team that i'm working with um they're very very kind um so
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i'm going to have a big poster that they've made a big poster and they're going to put it up in the
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town hall we're going to have a rally outside the here at the tribunal every day at every uh for the
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next four days so my hearing goes for four days and before the hearing starts we have a rally
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outside and uh the tribunal for one hour so excellent brilliant john come on what's extreme
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activism because my lee's doing some great work there yeah john and other people other people put
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in the chat please because my lee will get the benefit of this chat of what else my league can
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do i've suggested you ride down george street sydney naked on a horse but that's another you
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know get along here john come on and steven what else can my lee do to be an extreme activist and
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jerry as well put them in the chat john come out as a doctor and say i have been fooled my whole
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1:16:53
life these people suckered me damn it right and and just you know most of the look everything
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that i've ever been told oh your cholesterol is too high oh your blood pressure is this oh eat
636
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this don't eat that this is harmful this is not harmful i've read so many medical papers in a
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couple of years nobody saw me for like two years right and i was reading the most intense stuff
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and i had to get experts and i had them they came to me and they you know tutored me and all kinds
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of you know discipline so i could just interpret the vocabulary for credit life it's all crap
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medical papers are crap if you're not looking at something that was pre you know a hundred years
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ago your chances of reading some crap in that is you know it's probably 80 percent crap and
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20 percent useful and you can't make sense of it i mean even even professionals are just misled
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constantly so i i came and this was a hard-earned opinion don't read medical papers throw them out
644
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burn the entire pile screw it start over with a blank sheet of paper because that's the only
645
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way i got anything done um it's deep and there's no point sifting through it so just i don't know
646
1:17:59
1:18:06
be that guy i wanted to see that guy emerge you know so john so john come back this activist
647
1:18:06
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that you know that's myley's personal actions now the issue with myley is that she wants to
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practice medicine and of course that's a trap where's john there is that illegal
649
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1:18:22
and promote it like a speakeasy
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1:18:30
well what she needs to do charles is change public opinion that's what she needs to do like we
651
1:18:30
1:18:36
changed it with david kelly but we didn't realize we were doing that at the time yeah and john and
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1:18:36
1:18:43
steven john is saying if myley stands up says i'm a try i'm an experienced doctor i have been lied
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1:18:51
to by the system you know i have been defrauded by the system i have been defrauded by the medical
654
1:18:51
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insurers yes yes absolutely charles so it's a case of myley identifying with others maybe
655
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the points that the government doesn't want to hear and the weakest points and then repeating
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so i would say myley that your best line is to say that you escaped from the killing fields
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of of cambodia a dictatorship in a small boat very risky journey i imagine across the indian ocean
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to australia and and you end up in another tyranny and there was no pandemic and covid 19 diagnosis
659
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1:19:35
was a fraudulent diagnosis whether whether um clinically clinically or by test and um and
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draw attention to kerry mullis's death in august 2019 he was the inventor of the pcr
661
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1:19:46
or yeah inventor of the pcr technique um he won the noble prize for it so
662
1:19:47
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you know we can discuss it but uh you could do a scatter gun approach but it depends how
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1:19:53
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you know what your family and your friends around you um but don't listen to them too much if
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you feel brave i would say that the best thing you can do is be very direct um and um uh to show
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1:20:07
1:20:15
absolutely no fear and not accept their paradigm or their system or their damn tribunal when there's
666
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fraud because the fraud negates everything that they're saying yes you need to concentrate on
667
1:20:22
1:20:28
that fraud i think yeah listen you have to reduce your message to bumper stickers they're using
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1:20:28
1:20:32
propaganda to send their message so i mean i'll give you an example i made a bumper sticker once
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1:20:32
1:20:37
it just said corona i was trying to i was just discussing that exactly that trying to identify
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1:20:37
1:20:44
the single most important thing that my league can highlight to win over the public so that's
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the aim win over the public and and change public opinion so and that probably doesn't
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yeah that's this capital for instance davin that's very interesting that's an interesting
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angle i reckon that's right my lee you know yours it's a compelling story a double tyranny you've
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suffered yeah i mean you have to use the way you have to look at the way that they communicate the
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message oh stop the spread two weeks to you know flatten the curve all right everything that they
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do fits on a bumper sticker all right and we gotta have look i come up with these off the cuff
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constantly they're great you know i have a whole blog this tens of thousands of pages long like a
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1:21:26
1:21:31
toilet paper roll documented this entire thing oh they're just skim look look at crap you know on
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there for a while get some ideas i'm full of ideas i was out there you know creating like a clown in
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full view uh just you know humbugging the entire thing stores were closing will let me in
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wear your mask oh fuck off you know you know here's your card you know that comedian you know you're
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1:21:52
1:21:57
stupid here's your card you should wear a sign that guy i was that guy and i did ridiculous things
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but i got attention and people noticed me and i would not be ignored and i would not be deterred
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and sometimes i was an asshole i learned you can't really get dick you have to you know don't don't
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attack people just attack the fame the big glob and just say no stop it will you it's silly
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yeah yeah i i think i like that idea bumper stickers my lee and and steven's strategy
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1:22:38
and and jerry i will organize a three-way conversation and i'll organize a conversation
688
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1:22:47
with john as well my lee offline we will um explore some interesting angles i'm totally
689
1:22:47
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by the way they you know i have no income i haven't had income for years since i started talking
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1:22:58
but i would spend my last dollar on a sticker that says fuck you like a thousand of them just
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stick them everywhere because that's how i am you know keep it yes it's it's it's very interesting
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mona in terms of your mindset in terms of your mindset um are you thinking
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i just want to go back into the system that's been out to destroy you i mean you know i know
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you want to practice medicine but or health but see the practice of medicine is not the practice
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1:23:36
of health we've got a lot of people here who are holistic practitioners who laugh at the medical
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system as does john and what you've been taught so my question is your mindset on this do you want
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to get back to practicing a gp in the medicare system in australia is that what you want to do
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do well charles i was going to give it up before the pandemic came but i'm fighting this um because
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i i i'm really telling telling them that i have no right to take to cancel my license i have not done
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anything wrong and so whether i practice this not is none of their business uh but they have no rights
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to take it away that i have not done anything to warrant a cancellation um to justify a cancellation
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of my license so i you know i i'm in this fight to expose the lies more than fighting for my
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license but i know they've they've done everything to try and destroy me and they couldn't they can't
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even though they're doing what they're doing now uh because i'm exposing them all the time and they
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i don't know what they're going to do to me but they i like like i agree they they scared of me
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so i served the um the health minister yesterday with all these case laws and and the lies and
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about this um expert witness and i'm i'm making it public i'm telling my audience what i'm doing
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all the time so there's a lot of interest in my case oh that's a very good tactic by the way
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to publish everything we did that with yeah yeah yeah they're terrified of what everything
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everything you say it gets published every letter you write publish it and then they're terrified
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1:25:25
of replying to it and then you can get them for not replying yes yes they have done that so the
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1:25:34
president of the tribunal apologized to me um because i i written to her that i told her that
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she's interfering with um the judicial system and uh my uh my my legal process and she's scared
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and she did write to me that she won't write to me again but i wrote to her yesterday and i um
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served i hadn't delivered that to the tribunal yesterday you know such a lot of apologize to
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you she should declare her her um court null and void i would have thought what do you think joss
717
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that's a bit that's a bit technical just hold that thought john what we're gonna say
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do you know who sasha lotta pova is and katherine why did i do what great evidence but you know my
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point about that is kind of conflicted because she's kind of saying you know go into the legal
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system and use this effectively but you can't because it's rigged and stacked against you
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1:26:35
you'll get a clue to slap you in the face at the end of it right so i don't know really helpful
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but it's good information you know it's very good information and you don't have to do it it's all
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there i mean it's a it's a unbelievable archive of crime they're legalizing crime they're redefining
724
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you could put that evidence in your bundle that'll keep them busy for a while
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it'll keep them really busy and i mean it's documented it's the u.s government that is
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1:27:06
killing and murdering and genociding people right i mean how have you got that can you send that to
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me i uh i like them to keep them busy like you say that sounds good i like that she's got a
728
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subset my leg can you put my leg can you put your um email for everybody email address put your email
729
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1:27:25
into the put your email in the chat i can send me email i'll respond to you i'll give you all kinds
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1:27:29
of stuff i think it's my lee i think you've got a wonderful opportunity here because you don't
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1:27:36
seem to be afraid of them at all that's great um and um and you said that you don't really i don't
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think you can fit into that system any more than i could eventually i came out in 2021 and told and
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1:27:50
withdrew my first my license and then my registration because i didn't want these
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1:27:56
bastards at the general medical council in the united kingdom to be snapping at my heels and
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1:28:02
stopping me from saying the things which i knew i have to say because they were inventing complaints
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1:28:10
against me in the general medical council they had an they had an anonymous person who was lodging
737
1:28:10
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the complaint against me about what i can't even remember what it was about it's some ridiculous
738
1:28:15
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thing um um covid related and this person was actually speaking on behalf of being spoken for
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on behalf of someone else who was named but nobody could find so it's the same story as yours
740
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1:28:44
invented complaints yes yeah they this is lawfare you know yes create a case out of thin air just to
741
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1:28:49
create um there was a guy who listened to i can't remember his name right now but he was very good
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1:28:58
at describing this um a a way in the u.s to create like a shadow or or a captured branch of
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government like a shadow legislature using the judiciary to impose precedents that then become
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law subvert the entire process so they are impotent and so stop listening to them okay to have no
745
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1:29:19
power okay they just create havoc that's their job now and yeah you know i just i'm down on the
746
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1:29:25
whole system because you know in it's taken 200 years but they took the original constitution
747
1:29:25
1:29:32
united states and completely gutted it now it's worthless so go out complain about your rights if
748
1:29:32
1:29:36
you want to you don't have any because they say you don't have it that's what it comes down to
749
1:29:36
1:29:40
you gotta make it real again some of these people are gonna be shot in the face i'm sorry to say
750
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1:29:47
but they do they will not stop because i cannot back up you know and it's it's tragic man but
751
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1:29:55
you know aristotle put it in polity what's going on now you have you have a devolution into
752
1:29:55
1:30:02
oligarchy from whatever you started with and that is a one-way street 3600 years of history and
753
1:30:02
1:30:08
nobody has proved him wrong and it never backs up it just destroys itself and you got to start over
754
1:30:08
1:30:14
it's a blank sheet of paper right you gotta start over so fuck this system it's all so i could
755
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1:30:27
yeah so my lee um so i and uh uh i'm in malik uh i'm one of the two doctors i know he's done the
756
1:30:27
1:30:32
same thing withdrew from the general medical council because it was too dangerous to stay in
757
1:30:33
1:30:38
not too dangerous it wasn't that but i certainly didn't want them snapping at my heels and taking
758
1:30:38
1:30:45
my time answering uh ridiculous complaints you know so i came out but the point is that so we
759
1:30:45
1:30:51
weren't cancelled we cancelled ourselves but we were deprived of our professions so we had been
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fraudulently led down a path which led to 2020 and the medical profession doing all the wrong things
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1:31:03
and one of these days i'll write a letter to the times and to the general medical council and pass
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1:31:08
it on to the times and they'll pat and they'll publish it but i haven't got the time at the
763
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1:31:16
moment because i'm organizing these meetings so show no fear is my advice they hate it they're
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1:31:22
terrifying on my lead especially with your background of the killing field of cambodia
765
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yeah you survived that you survived the australian version so what i think you also should think
766
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1:31:39
about is maybe we're living now through a cultural revolution very much similar not exactly the same
767
1:31:39
1:31:47
obviously but similar to mao zedong's cultural revolution in china 1966 to 1976 complete with
768
1:31:47
1:31:54
propaganda censorship things which don't make any sense at all and that's the point you destabilize
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1:32:00
human beings best by exposing them to stuff constantly which does not make sense it's
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psychological torture to any human being they did it deliberately are doing it deliberately
771
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it's a cultural revolution yeah and you know about cultural revolution i presume because of
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cambodia yeah yes so you can bring it into the mix and then have to have to answer your
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1:32:27
observations about that because you know they want to be culturally um you know correct politically
774
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1:32:35
correct um yeah very good they're not done with this yet i mean they're destroying the u.s
775
1:32:35
1:32:41
when we fall its all bets are off it's now or never you know it's never never
776
1:32:43
1:32:49
treason in the u.s treason in the uk look at kia starmer my prime in our prime minister
777
1:32:50
1:32:57
he's a complete crazy guy he's got absolutely no charisma whatsoever considering
778
1:32:57
1:33:02
he was supposed to be a politician he couldn't he can't even lead his own family i won't go into
779
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1:33:10
detail so how on earth could he lead the nation i feel like sometimes like a mouse that's getting
780
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1:33:16
screwed with by a giant cat or 12 of them right because that's what they've created here and
781
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1:33:24
and i mean you're i tell people you know when it comes to medical advice there are no doctors
782
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1:33:31
at all you're on your own figure it out send your own whatever i mean there are no experts
783
1:33:31
1:33:40
there are no doctors turn it off right they're all supplied just to just to make it a career
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1:33:47
choice to learn what's wrong just take a year what's wrong oh my god nobody has this kind of
785
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1:33:54
time i i write books i can't even talk they censor me i mean christ what does an author do when they
786
1:33:54
1:33:58
take his career away what do you do when they take your career away frankly you never have one okay
787
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1:34:05
they gave you a bunch of bullshit but you know but me i just can't i can't talk to people i'm
788
1:34:05
1:34:13
censored beyond belief i can't even live in my own website is that ridiculous you know censored
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1:34:21
here john well you know what just crazy when i i don't use social media just quick just find
790
1:34:21
1:34:27
something else when i want to get in touch with a prominent figure i gotta send a certified mail
791
1:34:28
1:34:35
letter that gets to them my email is totally unreliable i've been trying to touch with people
792
1:34:35
1:34:40
for years they think it's worthless you know you're just not important i'm just not important
793
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1:34:47
but i kind of am because i know things you know what i mean and i'm amazed at what i've been like
794
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1:34:53
just the reach i've been able to have by brute force you know and that's how i'm doing it and
795
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1:35:02
i'm tired man i'm really tired i'm gonna answer emails and do you think um so i'm not um this
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isn't a kind of make or break question but in your opinion as a medical doctor in australia
797
1:35:08
1:35:12
do you think there was a pandemic was there a pandemic or wasn't there a pandemic
798
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1:35:22
um so i so i treated covid patients um how did you know they were how did you know they were
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1:35:32
covered patients so mildly so they the symptoms were um i mean they it's it's a
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it it's very different from a normal virus well i'm not sure that that was put about and a lot
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1:35:49
of doctors say that but uh so i'm not surprised to say that but honestly i i was saying from the
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beginning almost that you know this diagnosis was fraudulent and the pcr test was fraudulent
803
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yes i agree with with you on all that i don't have no issue with that but there is the virus
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1:36:10
there was no symptom and um i mean okay it's not you know the fatality rate wasn't as high as they
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made it to be uh but they create a situation where people are not treated so there's more debt so
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that they could justify whatever they're doing and also this they falsify seeing the covid death
807
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to drive up the numbers so uh i mean to say there's no virus i disagree with that no i didn't say
808
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1:36:38
there's no virus i said there was no reliable diagnosis there was no yes correct there was no
809
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1:36:46
which was pathognomonic for covid 19 and interestingly and interestingly pneumonia
810
1:36:46
1:36:55
and the common cold disappeared uh pneumonia and flu disappeared um and uh you know so they're not
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1:37:02
in the statistics apparently in 2020 but covid is and i'm thinking whoa you know there was no i can't
812
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think of a single symptom of covid 19 alleged symptom which was pathognomonic for covid 19
813
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so that tells me there was no covid 19 they do this all the time and you got to understand
814
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1:37:22
something it's you're being a little set up with the no virus crowd and jj couy hits it on the head
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1:37:27
over and over and over again he made this point about that argument you can't just say there's no
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1:37:33
and win yes i believe that there's no viruses okay they there was never a disease there was
817
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1:37:39
never a pandemic they wanted an excuse to poison you with an injection in the way that they would
818
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1:37:45
take hold and decimate the population as a slow burn that's the truth it's another level of this
819
1:37:45
1:37:52
thing what jj says is if you say that there's no viruses you have to then explain all the literature
820
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1:37:58
that's built up about them over the years and it's an endless test you can't do it you have to go
821
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1:38:02
all the way back to the original mistake which was germ theory it's wrong okay there are no
822
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1:38:10
contagions get it out of your head then explain all the nitpicky issues but it's a slog right
823
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1:38:18
what he says if you accept no virus as the win uh you then have to you're left with one option
824
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1:38:24
to revert back to the original understanding you have before that which was spirits and demons
825
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okay so nobody's gonna accept spirits and demons except people in the south over here um it's hard
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1:38:36
it's it you gotta just say look viruses is crap their explanations the whole thing 50 years 100
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years of it crap and you gotta get current and you gotta look at it from where it started the
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1:38:47
root of the poisonous tree is Rockefeller medicine so your bumper sticker is Rockefeller is dead
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1:38:59
leave him lie if you know you gotta start fresh you can't build on so my Lee in my opinion as
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1:39:03
medical doctors we are allowed to hypothesize we're allowed to have a medical opinion my medical
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1:39:09
opinion was not only that there was no pandemic but the pandemics are not possible we were taught
832
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at medical school that a deadly virus kills its host and I asked the uh immunologist professor
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immunology at the time as quick I said does that mean that pandemics are impossible he said very
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1:39:28
good steven I had no idea why he said very good at the time I now understand why he might have said
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that and might have suspected what he knew they were going to do i.e. destroy immunology the
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immunologists take away their status as the kings of medicine if you like and and replace them with
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virologists do you see so that they could and evidence-based medicine and genomics and all the
838
1:39:49
1:39:55
rest of it you know so that we're all saying oh how wonderful all this science is you know and then
839
1:39:55
1:40:00
we lose sight of the fraud and then they're able to do what they did in 2020 and that's it that's
840
1:40:00
1:40:07
what I think happened and we need to be we need to be really um we kind of cancel everything and then
841
1:40:07
1:40:13
say what do we really know well we don't really know very much do we I don't even know now whether
842
1:40:13
1:40:18
it's 93 million miles to the sun I always thought it was but wasn't around about that
843
1:40:19
1:40:29
they they they're very clever this is consummate elite psychopathy behavior you study you know
844
1:40:29
1:40:33
psychopaths and how they're diagnosed and what's wrong with them that's different that makes them
845
1:40:33
1:40:40
different this is the big club that george carlin used to talk about their psychos okay and they
846
1:40:40
1:40:46
just have no remorse they can't tell right from wrong for some reason they have no empathy and so
847
1:40:46
1:40:54
the relentless pursuit of profit entertains them and they compete and we just get get run over by
848
1:40:54
1:41:00
this and they deceive like nobody can deceive I mean it's unbelievable you almost have to think
849
1:41:00
1:41:05
like them and I have a hard time doing it but if I can put myself in the mindset long enough
850
1:41:05
1:41:09
I can get to the bottom of any other crap and I do it over and over and over again
851
1:41:09
1:41:14
psychopaths are the problem there's a test that they diagnose psychopaths for and I've argued
852
1:41:15
1:41:21
that should be given as a prerequisite to every single politician and if they fail it you can't
853
1:41:21
1:41:27
run oh I can think of another expert witness you should have Mikey Eden
854
1:41:27
1:41:36
I think it's too close to my hearing now so I've got all right yeah well you could ask for an
855
1:41:36
1:41:41
adjournment we did that all the time no they won't they won't let me have an adjournment
856
1:41:43
1:41:55
they um my my last hearing my hearing initially was scheduled for um July um they gave me a legal
857
1:41:55
1:42:02
team that was working against me and it's I mean I'm very fortunate to to to have a hearing
858
1:42:02
1:42:07
adjourned till now so there's there's no way they're going to grant me any adjournment unless
859
1:42:07
1:42:12
there's something very you know they'll grant an adjournment if you wanted to introduce
860
1:42:12
1:42:20
secret back to you as one of your expert witnesses and mike eden and if they don't then yeah he's
861
1:42:20
1:42:25
got a mission he's got a singular mission he wants to show everybody this proof that he has
862
1:42:25
1:42:31
and it's good proof it's good proof it's like it took two years for Sasha Wadapobina to find my
863
1:42:31
1:42:35
book even though I put it in her hand when she came to this group my case is about other mcdon
864
1:42:35
1:42:43
more than the virus um okay they're charging me for ignoring the national task force guideline
865
1:42:44
1:42:51
for babies well the national task force were imposing a fraud on the australian people
866
1:42:51
1:43:01
yes so you should say that in court okay yeah the national tech the national task force guidelines
867
1:43:01
1:43:06
they were actively working against the state of australia or the country of australia whatever it
868
1:43:06
1:43:13
is um they were committing treason and they were doing it in all the countries of the world just
869
1:43:13
1:43:20
about taking out their own countries so another thing it's god it seems to be that god family
870
1:43:20
1:43:28
country this is the they want to take those three things away from people they want to take people
871
1:43:28
1:43:35
away from their humanity by the means of destroying country destroying family destroying the church
872
1:43:35
1:43:41
god whatever you like because they're terrified of real i'm not a christian myself although i'm
873
1:43:41
1:43:48
getting there maybe um i think they're really terrified of the spirituality which exists in
874
1:43:48
1:43:55
churches throughout anything steven they're not they're not intimidated by us at all we have to
875
1:43:55
1:44:03
take no they are they if we were clever we would be writing letters of warning to these people
876
1:44:03
1:44:09
all the time but unfortunately people are not very um uh they don't want to work and don't
877
1:44:09
1:44:14
want to take responsibility and they're too lazy and charles and i can't do it all on our own or
878
1:44:15
1:44:23
yeah i i um i've motivated a lot of my followers to write to them and then i post the letter
879
1:44:23
1:44:31
on social media so yeah that's been because i think they do take notice of what the public saying
880
1:44:32
1:44:37
absolutely they do this terrified of the public janet is a doctor in the uk and she's got a hand
881
1:44:37
1:44:51
up janet janet what's your name i can't remember sorry janet janet's unmuted herself janet we can't
882
1:44:51
1:44:52
hear you
883
1:44:57
1:45:02
janet we we can't hear you i don't know what's wrong
884
1:45:05
1:45:10
and steven we can't see you janet you probably need to go out and then come back in again
885
1:45:10
1:45:17
anybody else got any points ronald you can oh you're on your motorbike well maybe
886
1:45:18
1:45:21
um ronald if you've got any religious points you'd like to make
887
1:45:24
1:45:30
no he's on his bike you can't possibly talk i can i could add something i don't think
888
1:45:30
1:45:36
i don't think it's really all right i'm gonna i'm gonna you know i try not to talk about religious
889
1:45:36
1:45:42
i don't go to church i don't subscribe to anything all right i just live okay and i
890
1:45:42
1:45:45
don't concern myself with any of that so i don't get admired down those discussions i don't think
891
1:45:45
1:45:50
religion is very important i don't know i know a lot of people do but it doesn't matter what you
892
1:45:50
1:45:55
believe in i think that the the core to every good religion that you know it's not a cult or something
893
1:45:55
1:46:02
it's just it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a
894
1:46:02
1:46:07
good religion that you know it's not a cult or something it's just natural law study natural law
895
1:46:07
1:46:15
and do that and observe whatever religious you know system floats your boat and don't bother me
896
1:46:15
1:46:20
with it if i don't want to get indoctrinated into it that's all i've been you know subscribing to a
897
1:46:20
1:46:26
bunch of them over time my mom's a devout catholic i've always heard about that but it's like they use
898
1:46:26
1:46:33
they use whatever your core beliefs are to screw you so don't have any you know just leave it aside
899
1:46:33
1:46:40
it's a personal thing like it should be you know and do what you want to i mean that's just my take
900
1:46:40
1:46:49
on it and the people that are guilty they are the richest people you can find nearest to you always
901
1:46:49
1:46:57
always because the psychopath rises to the top of any pile by hook or crook those are the days
902
1:46:57
1:47:04
wherever you are all right speak they lie come on we got this where where that's a great
903
1:47:04
1:47:09
commerce we'll have a conversation about religion um jen is not talking steven i think we can call
904
1:47:09
1:47:15
we can call early finish today you can get to sleep um mylee i will organize conversations with
905
1:47:15
1:47:24
john and with jerry and um that's what i think we should do steve no chance let's just see whether
906
1:47:24
1:47:33
jan is there is she there now she's not if you go off and come back in you might you you might
907
1:47:34
1:47:40
cure the problem now in terms mylee i've got some thoughts we'll talk about what to be
908
1:47:41
1:47:47
i had become an extreme activist more thoughts so that's what i really want to explore with you
909
1:47:47
1:47:53
and i think you've done a fantastic job in fighting in fighting for um what you have so far so
910
1:47:55
1:48:01
steven you know come on we can we can go to bed early or mylee yeah okay other things too
911
1:48:02
1:48:09
yeah are you going to bed now in australia no i um no all right morning
912
1:48:10
1:48:15
all right so my lead you know charles is very devoted to this group he used to get up at five
913
1:48:15
1:48:21
o'clock in the morning he's done that for three or four winters now four thirty four thirty steven
914
1:48:21
1:48:26
so we could start yeah that's what i call commitment yes that's why he's the moderator
915
1:48:28
1:48:35
all right tom's got his hand up tom okay um yeah with respect to the after meetings we
916
1:48:35
1:48:41
we can use the you know the telegram meeting to if people have ideas for organizing and
917
1:48:42
1:48:48
if the guest wants to join that would be great i'm i just keep the door open often there's
918
1:48:49
1:48:54
only one or two people that show up but i try to make at least i try to hang out there so you know
919
1:48:54
1:49:01
we're talking about what we can do and so it's a place to brainstorm and because there's so few
920
1:49:01
1:49:08
people that join you know it's uh it's an open forum so i'll put the link in again
921
1:49:09
1:49:13
tom you don't want to advertise the fact that so few people join because then they don't come
922
1:49:14
1:49:20
no actually i think that might be uh you know if for shy people right that's a plus you don't have
923
1:49:20
1:49:28
to go you know worry about anyhow i've said enough good okay thank you tom to the guest
924
1:49:28
1:49:29
all right let's try janet
925
1:49:33
1:49:36
no can't hear him janet even though you're unmuted
926
1:49:37
1:49:41
janet can put a question in the in the chat because she usually asks good questions
928
1:49:45
1:49:54
oh okay now we're going my lee thank you so much for coming on and uh did anybody ask you about
929
1:49:54
1:49:59
or did you so i was a bit late coming on and i may have missed the the boat journey from
930
1:49:59
1:50:06
cambodia um you were five years old then no 12 years old well yeah uh there was something in
931
1:50:06
1:50:13
your bio about when you were five years old what was that the killing fields yes so my my mom um
932
1:50:14
1:50:22
i left cambodia and came to live in vietnam um just before the marush came to power
933
1:50:22
1:50:31
and i lost my mom after that your mom was left in cambodia yes my parents and two other sisters
934
1:50:31
1:50:40
were in cambodia so how did you get out to vietnam were you sent out or yeah i was sent out by my
935
1:50:40
1:50:49
my mom my my parents sent me out to live in vietnam with my auntie i see but they kept the two your
936
1:50:50
1:50:59
two sisters yes the two older sisters so one older and one younger so they yeah so they lived
937
1:50:59
1:51:10
through the kamarush and um but when um in 79 when the kamarush regime ended uh with the vietnamese
938
1:51:10
1:51:19
invade in cambodia um they um my my elder sister sent um some people to to fetch my mom
939
1:51:20
1:51:27
my dad sorry and my two siblings yeah so then they came to live in vietnam but we're all here now in
940
1:51:27
1:51:35
simi yeah but was your mother killed by the kamarush yes she was killed by the kamarush she was
941
1:51:35
1:51:43
reported by someone in the in the village we live in out of jealousy
942
1:51:44
1:51:51
um you know anyone can dock in anyone um she did nothing wrong they're just jealous of her because
943
1:51:51
1:52:00
she's rich and she's successful um and what did they accuse her of doing oh you don't want to say
944
1:52:00
1:52:07
maybe um no no she didn't well you don't have to this you don't have to justify anything
945
1:52:07
1:52:16
anyone can dock anyone in and um so this you know what kind of things were the kamarush interested
946
1:52:16
1:52:22
in that's what i'm trying to well well the thing is that you if you're educated if you're rich if
947
1:52:22
1:52:34
you you know if you wear glasses if you just just anything any excuse to um um to go after you so
948
1:52:36
1:52:42
they they uh i mean this nothing is justice they just
949
1:52:44
1:52:48
if someone doesn't like you and they report you you're in trouble that that kind of thing
950
1:52:48
1:52:55
um that um idea of doping you know they encourage the doping of people
951
1:52:59
1:53:06
what's doping well it's just like during covid you adopt your neighbor doing this wrong that wrong
952
1:53:06
1:53:14
that kind of thing trivial things but that's to to cause division in society to create to generate
953
1:53:14
1:53:16
fear absolutely yeah
954
1:53:18
1:53:26
and so they can pose tyranny on people and justify mistreatment of people so do you know
955
1:53:26
1:53:34
anything about the kamarush what was was that a cultural revolution in in cambodia um no i think
956
1:53:34
1:53:41
i think uh i mean i i don't know a lot about it but um um what happened is that during that time
957
1:53:41
1:53:52
cambodia um i mean cambodia has always been um a country with uh with a lot of wealth with a lot of
958
1:53:56
1:54:03
with a lot of you know uh that a lot of wealth and a lot of richness in culture and all that but
959
1:54:03
1:54:10
what happened during the vietnam war is that the there was a lot of bombing the american were bombing
960
1:54:10
1:54:19
the um the vietnamese the vipcon uh but the vietnamese in the north what happened is that
961
1:54:19
1:54:28
they went through the south via cambodia and so that the vietnamese the the american were bombing
962
1:54:28
1:54:36
cambodia um because they were trying to get to vietnamese but what did that did was it stabilized
963
1:54:36
1:54:43
a destabilized cambodia and as a result this you know this this group of um
964
1:54:45
1:54:52
socialist i think they're more socialist um that the kamarush came into power because the country
965
1:54:52
1:55:02
started to um sort of destroyed by by by by the american bombing yeah and i think cambodia was the
966
1:55:02
1:55:07
most holds the record for being the most bombed country in the world yes
967
1:55:08
1:55:12
uh ahead of population i think it is or is it area i can't quite remember
968
1:55:13
1:55:20
yes so kissinger um ordered the bombing and the carpet bombing so just there's so much bombing
969
1:55:20
1:55:28
on a regular basis over a period of time and um the the country just get got destroyed by that
971
1:55:35
1:55:42
even um janet's question is in the chat and she maybe she may have her microphone working i just
972
1:55:42
1:55:48
want to let you know all right well alaska wants to ask the question now as well so is janet are
973
1:55:48
1:55:57
you there janet uh nope so i'm reading the question
974
1:55:58
1:56:02
now of janet's question oh janet's background
975
1:56:07
1:56:13
janet's got a problem with a microphone i think okay she's asking about the symptoms of covert
976
1:56:13
1:56:20
patients um so they generally cold symptoms but they're a lot more severe um people had a lot of
977
1:56:21
1:56:35
so there's sore throat um huffing um muscle pain um high fever um so so all the common um symptoms
978
1:56:35
1:56:42
of the flu of cold but it's a lot lot more severe people were just really really sick
979
1:56:42
1:56:49
um and almost every single one of them even those who are young and who doesn't have any
980
1:56:50
1:56:54
morbidities they still quite unwell
981
1:56:56
1:57:04
was that all the was that the question i think that's what she yes so what exactly was the
982
1:57:04
1:57:11
question what what were the symptoms of the covert of covert patients oh yes
983
1:57:12
1:57:16
so okay do you want to answer that my lee or what do you think
984
1:57:18
1:57:26
yeah so they yeah thank you very much uh dr janet wanted to know the difference that you
985
1:57:26
1:57:35
you saw in patients between a patient who was ill with any other pathogenic illness versus
986
1:57:35
1:57:44
having a covert infection if you could please share with us those differences and also i wanted
987
1:57:44
1:57:51
to add the frostbite that was another symptom characteristic of covert infection as well
988
1:57:51
1:58:02
in patients thank you okay thank you marie thank you so like i said um the um patients were a lot
989
1:58:02
1:58:11
lot sicker they um so muscle pain was a very um common um symptom um they're just more more severe
990
1:58:11
1:58:18
um so high fever coughing people were coughing like they couldn't stop their coughing they're
991
1:58:18
1:58:24
so distressed by the coughing and then there's symptoms like loss of taste loss of smell
992
1:58:26
1:58:38
has been quite common um and i i treated patients during the um the delta wave and that's um that's
993
1:58:38
1:58:47
most um i mean that's the most severe strain and um so in terms of
994
1:58:48
1:58:54
whether i mean i i haven't seen anyone with symptoms of frostbite or anything like that
995
1:58:54
1:59:03
you were saying associate with um covert 19 well i think frostbite was the suggestion that
996
1:59:04
1:59:12
micro emberly was causing the the so-called frostbite right i'm not asking you i can't
997
1:59:12
1:59:20
remember i don't know i i haven't heard of that before so loss of taste and loss of smell i had
998
1:59:20
1:59:25
that when i had cold and i was amazed that everybody forgot that and and the government
999
1:59:25
1:59:29
was saying oh if you've got loss of taste and loss of smell you've got covet and everybody
1000
1:59:29
1:59:35
forgot that they didn't have any taste and smell sense of taste and smell when they had a cold
1001
1:59:35
1:59:40
previously and certainly not when they had flu whatever flu is and these days i don't know i
1002
1:59:40
1:59:47
really don't know anything about what we were taught at medical school but one thing i'm
1003
1:59:47
1:59:53
i'm sure of my lee it's extremely dangerous and we were told this at medical school by presumably
1004
1:59:53
2:00:00
an honest he said that um never isolate human beings it's extremely dangerous for human beings
1005
2:00:00
2:00:06
there's highly social animals they must never be particularly children but particularly babies so
1006
2:00:06
2:00:13
if you put a baby in a room on its own for a week without with food and water yeah it might not
1007
2:00:13
2:00:21
survive apparently so so they must all the medical doctors in the world should have known that it was
1008
2:00:21
2:00:27
highly dangerous to isolate people and lockdowns were always a bad idea completely against
1009
2:00:27
2:00:32
everything we'd been taught at medical school so if nothing else all doctors in the world should
1010
2:00:32
2:00:36
know that human beings are highly social animals but apparently they forgot that
1011
2:00:38
2:00:44
and so everybody was put into a state of fear and that was exposed to fear propaganda so not
1012
2:00:44
2:00:53
surprisingly the symptoms of covet 19 so-called were a lot worse than flu and because people
1013
2:00:53
2:01:00
were terrified and we learned at medical school anxiety extreme anxiety can kill you
1014
2:01:02
2:01:08
it can cause any symptom in the book and everyone forgot it all the doctors forgot they forgot all
1015
2:01:08
2:01:18
about informed consent everything in my family was a lie that was a massive lie um it was a military
1016
2:01:18
2:01:22
cyop i think but anyway um marie do you want to ask your question
1017
2:01:25
2:01:30
thank you steven uh dr may lee has already answered my questions thank you very much
1018
2:01:31
2:01:40
okay thank you so my lee can you tell i've never i don't think i've ever met anyone from cambodia
1019
2:01:40
2:01:47
previously uh at least you used to live there you know are you still a cambodian citizen by the way
1020
2:01:47
2:02:00
uh uh yes i am good yeah have you been back to cambodia i have so i um before i got suspended
1021
2:02:00
2:02:07
i was i've been doing um mission in cambodia or medical mission in cambodia every year for
1022
2:02:08
2:02:18
over decades or for about 12 years um i treat patients in the rural area of cambodia providing
1023
2:02:18
2:02:26
free health care now for them so i do that um about one to two trips a year uh we usually go
1024
2:02:26
2:02:33
to different villages and how long do you stay there um anywhere from um a week and a half to
1025
2:02:33
2:02:44
three weeks yeah all right so um and uh so you can speak the the local languages yes even though
1026
2:02:46
2:02:55
no not really i i could understand a lot but um i can't really um speak very well um but i i work
1027
2:02:55
2:03:04
with um a group there um a local organization there so um they support me with you know i have
1028
2:03:04
2:03:12
support translators and that sort of thing um yeah so there's um university students would come and
1029
2:03:12
2:03:22
join their mission and they do all the translation for us foreigners yeah so you now live in cindy
1030
2:03:22
2:03:30
which is a big city even by well two three million is it two point five million no i think six plus
1031
2:03:30
2:03:37
all right is it wow it's growing that so um you go back to fenong pen what's the most what's the
1032
2:03:37
2:03:45
most do you notice the differences or are you too familiar with it uh well over the years i noticed
1033
2:03:45
2:03:53
that people are getting fat on yes and you know from the beginning when i first joined till
1034
2:03:53
2:04:01
now like oh 12 years yeah every every time i come back i notice that uh people are getting fat on
1035
2:04:03
2:04:12
and what do you think the reason for that is food obviously diet yeah so what do they eat then
1036
2:04:12
2:04:20
burgers in in philomphina yes so they um they embrace a lot of the western lifestyle and western
1037
2:04:21
2:04:33
um food and um yes so they're getting trendy and um um they got fast food have you got the
1038
2:04:33
2:04:40
cursed mobile phones that yes and the mobile phone yes and certainly they're less active
1039
2:04:42
2:04:47
so in flompen would you see would it be quite common to see a table of four
1040
2:04:48
2:04:54
people say the age of um what should we say 18 sitting at a table none of them talking to each
1041
2:04:54
2:05:02
other all looking at their phones having a cup of coffee in the coffee shop um yes i think so yes
1042
2:05:03
2:05:08
well what do you think of that then um well it's like that everywhere isn't it
1043
2:05:08
2:05:15
oh the world they got us you think it's good that we're doing that sorry you think it's good
1044
2:05:15
2:05:21
that we're doing that you know on our mobile phones or the social media but not talking to
1045
2:05:21
2:05:28
people around us yeah no obviously not good i mean um we are social creature like you said
1046
2:05:29
2:05:38
so um but um we've got this addiction to technology they got us hooked they got us
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2:05:45
they kept us busy do you think they did do you think they planned to get us hooked on get everybody
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2:05:54
hooked on technology too yes i believe so i believe so so that they won't we won't fight back we're too
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2:05:54
2:06:02
busy getting addicted to things or taking photographs which they're then posting
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2:06:09
so they can get some likes yes from all the people who agree with them all around the world
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2:06:09
2:06:13
that's right they decide to have a conversation with someone because they are human beings they
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2:06:18
realize in the end so they need to start talking to human beings again and then they find oh the
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2:06:23
first human being they come across disagrees with them and so they think oh this is far too
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2:06:30
difficult talking to someone who disagrees with me um i don't want to hear this i'd rather go back
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2:06:36
to my mobile phone and social media and get a few likes and and never be challenged on anything and
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2:06:44
just get deeper and deeper into the um rabbit hole the the echo chamber what do you think
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2:06:54
um as a doctor i mean it's not very good is it no it's not yeah i mean i think it's um it's most
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2:07:01
destructive for for children because they they develop developing their social skills
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2:07:07
and things like that at you know at any age i've got any social skills in the united kingdom
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2:07:21
and yes so same here in australia a lot of kids are given you know ipad iphone and um yeah they
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2:07:21
2:07:27
they lost their social skill they lost their ability to relate to people communicate to people
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2:07:35
i think it's very very serious it really is i think i think this was their aim and people are
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2:07:35
2:07:41
losing their humanity in front of my eyes you can't you know they've got no manners anybody
1064
2:07:41
2:07:47
under the age of 40 has no manners if you say good good morning to them or good evening to them
1065
2:07:47
2:07:53
especially good evening you know it's far too formal um uh they nearly jump they look at you
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2:08:01
so what i usually do if they kind of don't answer i say good evening again i double double down
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2:08:13
but most of the time i well i try to be kind but it's you know it's very frustrating because these
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2:08:22
people who are brainwashed they're going to take us down with them have you read about the history
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2:08:27
of cambodia my lee i just wonder whether you could tap because nobody knows about the killing even i
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2:08:32
don't know about what was the real what are the killing fields well you know with those what the
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2:08:38
khmer rouge were they were killing their political opponents or no they're killing their own people
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2:08:47
yeah but why though what was the um why well we don't even know why so um like i can only
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2:08:56
share what happened to my family so my sister my elder sister just got married at the time
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2:09:04
uh when when kamarush came into power so she she just moved in with her husband
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2:09:15
in this house in the city of lom pen and 11 days later after they move in um the um kamarush um
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2:09:23
evacuate the city so everybody were kicked out of their home um you've got a very short time
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2:09:29
to grab what you whatever you have and they kicked them out and they pushed them into um
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2:09:37
into to cultivate the land so they have to become farmers so like in china then
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2:09:44
um i don't know exactly what happened in china but but that's what happened cambodia so these
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2:09:53
people were forced to to work on the land um my friend um in cambodia he's he just he said to me
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2:10:04
that it was about i think 14 he was made to um dig uh dig like an area and they every day he was
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2:10:04
2:10:15
given a task to to dig an area of the land um every day and and they they they were forced to
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2:10:15
2:10:24
live like a community so they they separate the the children from their parents um the the
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2:10:25
2:10:31
they separate husbands and wives so my my parents were separated um and the children were
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2:10:32
2:10:39
my my sisters were not with living with my my parents so they separate families um
1087
2:10:40
2:10:48
they're forced to work on the land and they gave very them very little food to eat and anyone that
1088
2:10:48
2:10:58
so my mom was taken to a um a camp like a a women's camp and um after a period of time they decided
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2:10:58
2:11:07
to kill them and that was it um at the women's camp were they kind of sex slaves or no no no
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2:11:15
not sex slaves they just um no i don't know exactly what activities they were doing but um
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2:11:25
it's just it's like to me it's like they they they have control over you um in everything that you do
1092
2:11:25
2:11:31
so you're you're not free to do whatever you want you you are being controlled every day and you're
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2:11:42
given tasks a bit like in our countries um during 2020 the co the covet area yes incredible isn't
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2:11:42
2:11:49
yeah so the people imposing the control mildly are human beings they're mere human beings who
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2:11:59
don't even know sorry yeah so do uh one of the things i think think about a lot is that
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2:12:00
2:12:07
after this last five years i think a lot of you most human beings are utterly ridiculous they have
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2:12:14
a inflated idea of who they are and and yet every human being should know or should remember that
1098
2:12:14
2:12:19
they're gonna die in the end you know so why would you why would you have a a massive opinion
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2:12:26
of yourself if at the it all comes to an end obviously it's nice to live in a kind of uh
1100
2:12:28
2:12:34
illusion a comfortable illusion but but to kind of go further and tell the world how to live you
1101
2:12:34
2:12:41
know and take yourself so seriously you know and and be interviewed see do you see it it's just
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2:12:41
2:12:48
ridiculous isn't it i think human beings the best thing we can learn is to be humble after the last
1103
2:12:48
2:12:56
five years because human hubris is not only ridiculous but it just leads us into massive
1104
2:12:56
2:13:06
deadly cults as far as i can see what do you think um yeah i think that um people are
1105
2:13:06
2:13:13
um unaware of the consequences of their action so they um participate in
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2:13:14
2:13:25
um crime against people um they don't realize that um they themselves become a problem
1107
2:13:25
2:13:36
problem they become a perpetrator so to speak you know they've been used by um by the people who
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2:13:49
who um have agendas um yeah i think people are not very not very smart and um
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2:13:57
um and they don't think hard enough they they don't know you know over history it's the same
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2:14:04
thing happened right so history repeats itself so the people that are made to do the dirty work
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2:14:16
um you know for these evil people and um and um and also i i think that people don't have courage
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2:14:24
to correct uh to stand up and that's the problem we face nowadays um they they train us to be
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2:14:34
to be tolerant um to not speak out truth to accept anything and everything and um and so because of
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2:14:44
that we've been trained to to be passive and to not stand up for what we believe in and that becomes
1115
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2:14:53
um you know a norm so it's it's you know so when this pandemic came i was so surprised that
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2:15:01
hardly any doctors speak out um even they believe that it was wrong um
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2:15:11
um and and i think that you know if there if there were many people speaking out at the time
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2:15:17
it would have been different absolutely yeah but the problem is i think um
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2:15:26
oh i don't know that that not enough human beings are courageous enough but also they're not able to
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2:15:32
see what you could see you know because maybe because of your connection with cambodia you
1121
2:15:32
2:15:38
know and how and your mother and all that you know um so you've been kind of wakened up by that and
1122
2:15:38
2:15:43
you're alert to danger more alert to danger and you understand the importance of being alert to
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2:15:50
danger whereas in the uk for example a lot of people just drift along through life you know
1124
2:15:50
2:15:57
even through the covid times you know i've got friends former friends should we say because i
1125
2:15:57
2:16:04
don't feel i don't feel angry with them but but i find it boring to be with them because you have
1126
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2:16:11
to avoid covid all the time and and if you if you'd say anything the next thing is you know
1127
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2:16:16
you know what you're talking about because you've been researching it for five years
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2:16:25
and they've done nothing they haven't yes yeah i think uh so i i have thought about why i was able
1129
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2:16:36
to come to know the truth quite early and um and i think it's because um like you said the traveling
1130
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2:16:44
and and my my past but also i was sort of out of the system out of the medical system for uh for
1131
2:16:44
2:16:54
a while i wasn't doing a lot of work um as a doctor um and um i was doing other things and that sort
1132
2:16:54
2:17:02
of gave me a different perspective like i wasn't being brainwashed by the system constantly um i
1133
2:17:02
2:17:09
had time to do other things and um think about other things um but what happened during the
1134
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2:17:18
pandemic that that woke me up was was actually the financial system so i was i was quite certain that
1135
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2:17:24
you know our debt-based system was going to go downhill and it was going to be destroyed and it's
1136
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2:17:30
going to be replaced by something else and i was on the watch of what was going to emerge at that
1137
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2:17:41
time um so you know so um and i followed the u.s uh election uh donald trump's election and able to
1138
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2:17:50
see um the um you know how they infiltrate the political system how the media was telling lies
1139
2:17:51
2:18:01
um how you know they could steal um a u.s election um in broad daylight that kind of thing that sort
1140
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2:18:07
of really shocked me at the time so that was happening just before covid so when when they
1141
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2:18:16
was a pandemic um coming and you know they declared the pandemic um and and they locked down Wuhan
1142
2:18:16
2:18:23
i mean i was on high alert it's like my goodness what's what's gonna happen if there's something
1143
2:18:23
2:18:30
really ominous gonna happen so there's a there's a guy called james patrick who who's a brilliant
1144
2:18:30
2:18:37
filmmaker and he i don't know he he's just different from all the other he he's got this
1145
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2:18:45
kind of he's in um uh reliable of feelings maybe about situations you know but
1146
2:18:46
2:18:52
and he did this film and he opened the film absolutely brilliantly i thought so i'd seen
1147
2:18:52
2:19:00
other examples but i thought the beginning of the film um planet lockdown was just amazing
1148
2:19:00
2:19:07
started off with a newscaster uh the mainstream media in the united states and the guy was standing
1149
2:19:07
2:19:14
up and talking to the camera and he said good evening as i speak much of america is closing
1150
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2:19:21
down and then it immediately switched to that freak of a of a mayor s in chicago i can't remember a
1151
2:19:21
2:19:30
name and she said um we will pursue you we will shut your businesses down we will send you to jail
1152
2:19:31
2:19:37
and i thought well that that could happen in the united states of america it was just a big shock
1153
2:19:37
2:19:44
for me and this film director james patrick had he tapped into the sadness you know of the
1154
2:19:44
2:19:52
destruction of the world that we knew before 2020 so in 2020 i understood immediately there was a
1155
2:19:52
2:20:00
global coup d'etat and that um that this um the whole thing was a fraud uh and and i didn't know
1156
2:20:00
2:20:06
then that there was no pandemic i didn't understand that uh but i thought that um
1157
2:20:08
2:20:12
that the uh i noticed that governments around the world were saying exactly the same thing so
1158
2:20:12
2:20:25
whatever had been absolutely minutely planned and um so uh but you know in some ways i looked back
1159
2:20:25
2:20:32
on what had happened to me in the previous 20 years and it was like my whole life was leading
1160
2:20:32
2:20:38
up to this moment i don't know whether you understand that from your you know when you
1161
2:20:38
2:20:46
realize that stephen sorry i missed i said that when i knew i seemed to know what was happening
1162
2:20:46
2:20:51
and everybody around me including my own family had no idea what was happening and didn't see
1163
2:20:51
2:21:00
that this was deeply upsetting and very worrying and um i couldn't understand it first but then i
1164
2:21:00
2:21:07
realized that that i was i didn't understand it but i was i'd been a serial whistleblower
1165
2:21:07
2:21:15
and i'd always been speaking my truth and i not only but i had this uh compulsion almost to
1166
2:21:15
2:21:23
ask questions and say what my truth was whatever the consequences and i think i was saved from
1167
2:21:24
2:21:30
i think i was perceived as dangerous but um by the people you know who were playing the game
1168
2:21:30
2:21:39
um and um but i think what saved me for some reason people like me and and kind of wanted to
1169
2:21:39
2:21:49
find excuses for not going for me you know yes um um we experienced the same thing here in australia
1170
2:21:49
2:21:57
so um you're not allowed to speak out um and especially with doctors um i mean one of my
1171
2:21:57
2:22:05
colleagues um dr oosterhaus uh all he did was i think he posted about 10 posts about vitamin c
1172
2:22:05
2:22:15
i have a mectin vitamin d something like that um and he got suspended so um the censorship was
1173
2:22:15
2:22:22
incredible um my question to you my question to you um my lee you did you get the feeling
1174
2:22:22
2:22:28
eventually that not only were you your life had been different from you know your mother
1175
2:22:28
2:22:34
dying in the circumstances she died i'm sorry about that um but that kind of formed you and
1176
2:22:34
2:22:41
and that put you in a better position to be on the alert for fraud or for lies you know so you knew
1177
2:22:41
2:22:46
quicker than everybody else around you but did you feel also that your when you looked back at your
1178
2:22:46
2:22:55
life so far did you did you feel that your whole life so far had been preparing you for this moment
1179
2:22:55
2:23:09
in 2020 um yeah i do in some some way yeah um so i um uh yes so so my family uh my immediate family
1180
2:23:09
2:23:18
um were not awake at all i mean i i i tried to to tell tell them and they sort of half believing
1181
2:23:18
2:23:25
and half not believing i was so fearful that they would take the vaccine so some didn't some didn't
1182
2:23:25
2:23:30
but it was it was hard so the hardest thing for me during the pandemic was to try to convince the
1183
2:23:30
2:23:37
people that i love that i care for the truth and they wouldn't listen um and that was so
1184
2:23:37
2:23:43
distressing because i just think that if you know the truth you can survive it um you can
1185
2:23:43
2:23:48
survive through this pandemic just as long as you don't take the lethal work you know the lethal
1186
2:23:48
2:23:57
injection so um but i attempt to share this information and um they they don't believe me
1187
2:23:58
2:24:03
so that what did you think about that did you think that they didn't like you or didn't some
1188
2:24:03
2:24:12
respect no no there was nothing to do with that i i they were so captured um that the government's
1189
2:24:12
2:24:20
doing the right thing and um you know that they couldn't see the plot that we could see and and
1190
2:24:20
2:24:28
that's because they've never experienced war they've never experienced um any living in
1191
2:24:29
2:24:34
they've never experienced living in a country where the government can turn on the people
1192
2:24:34
2:24:44
and i have so so for them you know being brought up and raised in a you know in a what i think is
1193
2:24:44
2:24:52
democracy in australia um and and being where the government looks after its people and for
1194
2:24:53
2:24:59
for all of a sudden for that to change and turn the other way around it was impossible for them
1195
2:24:59
2:25:09
to see so you know they call me crazy and um all kinds of things but um that was i find it hard to
1196
2:25:09
2:25:17
cope um you're a medical doctor do you think so hypothesizing you know as we need to do with
1197
2:25:17
2:25:23
very sick patients i think we're surrounded by these very sick patients every day now and i think
1198
2:25:23
2:25:28
that they're all in the state of stockholm syndrome as a result of the psychological torture to which
1199
2:25:28
2:25:36
they're exposed by their own government what do you think yes um so that that you know in australia
1200
2:25:36
2:25:42
america is better but in australia a lot of people are still in the dark um and they continue to take
1201
2:25:42
2:25:49
the jab um they continue to believe this lie and it goes on and on and i don't know when it's going
1202
2:25:49
2:25:58
to end um yeah um i i think you know without some serious treatment they're going to remain in the
1203
2:25:58
2:26:04
state of stockholm syndrome until they die as far as i can see and essentially their souls have been
1204
2:26:04
2:26:11
ripped away from them that's how i know about that but i just think that um you know the the
1205
2:26:11
2:26:22
government while they still in power uh we have two two two major parties um that's um controlling
1206
2:26:22
2:26:29
i mean um that that's in power but what i'm saying is that they they will not with the way things are
1207
2:26:29
2:26:36
going they're not able to they're not allowing the truth to come out and they continue to control
1208
2:26:36
2:26:46
the narrative in both both major parties so until the people until there's enough people to um
1209
2:26:48
2:26:53
to fight back and to resist and to really fight back when they're suffering from stockholm syndrome
1210
2:26:53
2:27:01
if they are suffering do you see what i mean yeah but i still think that the you know it's a it's
1211
2:27:01
2:27:07
it's the people still listen to authorities and and and you know the health authorities so when
1212
2:27:09
2:27:21
if if if there are enough people um um taking control over parliament um influencing policies
1213
2:27:21
2:27:27
and things like that it will change so until there's enough of that influence in in our
1214
2:27:27
2:27:38
parliaments we're going to continue this path of the lives continuing um and and um more lives will
1215
2:27:38
2:27:49
be lost yeah uh today i was sent uh by the daily mail actually um uh something from claiming to be
1216
2:27:49
2:27:56
a congress report which is dated the fourth of december that's tomorrow and so there's been an
1217
2:27:56
2:28:01
investigation as far as this document was concerned so it was dated tomorrow but that would be
1218
2:28:01
2:28:08
consistent with you know the report being leaked to the press um a day early so that they can report
1219
2:28:08
2:28:18
it on the day that is uh so uh but uh somebody said that it was a fake document i'm not sure
1220
2:28:18
2:28:24
because i know the journalist who supplied me with this with this document and the congress
1221
2:28:25
2:28:34
investigation uh into the lockdowns and the whole thing concluded that the um the cure must never
1222
2:28:34
2:28:42
be worse than the disease i.e. lockdowns and everything was conceded by congress if it was
1223
2:28:42
2:28:50
congress um to have been wrong but uh that operation warp speed surprisingly was a was
1224
2:28:50
2:28:58
a success they concluded interesting isn't it wow yes the same here in australia so when we had the
1225
2:28:58
2:29:03
have you heard about this report my lee no i haven't i think it's coming out tomorrow they talk
1226
2:29:03
2:29:09
about the u.s this is the u.s congress yeah u.s congress report uh i can't remember sub
1227
2:29:09
2:29:18
covid subcommittee or something right or covid committee hi steven uh john has a question for
1228
2:29:18
2:29:27
the doctor all right oh i was just go ahead john listening to your conversation and thinking of
1229
2:29:27
2:29:32
things and i don't know i do that i'm not really in the conversation i know but you know it just
1230
2:29:33
2:29:43
it just i would sum up my activity as boiling things down to the root of any problem and
1231
2:29:44
2:29:49
just attacking that nothing else because i can trim trees all day and people have their pet
1232
2:29:49
2:29:53
projects and everybody likes oh have you seen this and have you done that and what's this i mean
1233
2:29:54
2:29:58
you take a guy like trump this was the thought came to me you take a guy like trump and this
1234
2:29:58
2:30:05
thing that as operation warp speed steven mentioned the man got elected to be the president
1235
2:30:05
2:30:15
of the united states take that as astonishing considering the fact that he to even to this day
1236
2:30:15
2:30:25
brags about genociding americans that is beyond belief to me and how can anybody not see that
1237
2:30:25
2:30:30
i mean you have to be mind controlled mind control is real because that's an example of
1238
2:30:31
2:30:37
and just look at the the biggest thing right these elections are so ridiculous every year is more
1239
2:30:37
2:30:44
important the last one that's always the most important one bullshit okay you if voting mattered
1240
2:30:44
2:30:51
you wouldn't be allowed to do it i know people will attack me especially soldiers screw them all
1241
2:30:51
2:30:56
right i'm right when this guy reveals himself i will win all of my points i'm not going to waste
1242
2:30:56
2:31:03
my breath on it now all right he's probably going to be the last president i i expect it he's going
1243
2:31:03
2:31:12
to preside over a disaster i mean if he truly was a threat to the deep state they would execute him
1244
2:31:12
2:31:20
all these assassination attempts i'm sorry glenn macco wherever you are are horseshit theater acts
1245
2:31:20
2:31:25
i mean i give you 22 reasons why the first one never happened nobody will address that they're
1246
2:31:25
2:31:33
like flat earthers okay it's incredible the loyalty that you know the patriotism that is just
1247
2:31:33
2:31:39
fabricated nonsense based on nothing this guy has been a failure at every single thing he's ever done
1248
2:31:39
2:31:45
in his life and effectively broke the entire time he is entirely beholden all of his wealth to his
1249
2:31:45
2:31:54
frenemies he is he is not a rebel he's a jackass actor i'm sorry anybody likes him okay but you
1250
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know and the argument that oh the other one was worse is probably valid i mean we had but trevor
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loudon come out here make a great case for that i thought but it just delays the inevitable you know
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it is whoever you will believe in it's not what they're going to do or what they can well we'll
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soon know about trump won't we if he in the first week i think we'll know you know i went back in
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time and i looked at something from 2017 that was all about his his family members writing books in
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the 1800s that by name identify political candidates sitting presidents and weaves their
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actual history into the plot lines and all this was dismissed as you know tremendous coincidence
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but it is coincidence lasagna oh my god i mean it's like uh oh i got the instructions on what my
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role is going to be in the illuminati and then he goes out and does all of that now it's not completed
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yet okay you got to see where that goes if you want to go into it really graceful makes a nice
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compilation of the crap that he has a time machine and everything ridiculous too but
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it is funny because it what it what it proves i think in a decent example is the the enemy
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our common enemy makes their plans in hundreds of years of timeline arc and they subdivide it into
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50 years and then 30 years and then the next five years and these are the agendas there was an
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agenda you know uh 2012 there's an agenda it's 2020 all these agendas with the year after
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agenda 2050 agenda 2030 okay it's all laid out they publish this stuff you know so and they
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communicate not in secret smoke-filled rooms they have a language of reversal okay whatever they say
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it's the opposite of that you know if they say sustainable it's unsustainable etc all right and
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they uh issue their marching orders and you know john where the way so what is where where does your
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hope lie then where are your hopes in myself this possibility ends at the end of my nose
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and anybody that interacts with me gets my opinion and then yeah but wait a minute so what's your
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what's your hope for the world you're not going to manage to change it just by saying well
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my responsibility ends at the end of my nose are you no no look what i do matters in my own life
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what absolutely yeah yeah that does yeah and you will you need like all humans a club of your own
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your friends circles they removed all of mine because all of my opinions they didn't agree
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with because they're indoctrinated do you understand what a force multiplier is ai the internet all
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this is a force multiplier it i said this in an email i shout out to my league it is a way for
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elite psychopaths to relieve themselves of the mundane chores of abusing you personally and
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automate that and they give it to you you know with oh look this how convenient this is i could
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just ask it a question it's always wrong you know the the difference between ai and actual
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intelligence is ai has no memory every time you ask a question it pulls the entire earth and gives
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you the wrong answer or a shit answer it's unusable but you can write term papers with it and books
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with it god i i'm out of a job with this right but all that stuff will be garbage and you will very
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soon not be allowed to get any real information if i had to start all my research today it wouldn't
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be possible okay i have to directly type in links to places i want to go because 12 different
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browsers won't send me there says a dead page or something they're removing the way back machine
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and the internet archive and everything they want to start you over fresh or as soon as you pop out
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of the womb you're a fool and everything you read so you know so john how do we reverse all this and
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so so people they they like trump because it gives them a little bit of hope a little bit more hope
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than they had with them with kamala so where does your hope lie having destroyed the trump hope
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we've made some mistakes by adopting things civilizationally that have been amazing but
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it pales in comparison to what they could have provided us with because of the way that they
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were used we're going to have to take several steps back to take a step forward if i could snap my
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fingers and make every computer on the earth disappear i would do it exactly i would as well
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absolutely but that won't solve it because they're shielded they know about that
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all right so we're we have to just we have to go back to being basic local villages
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you know they want to they let us get all these nations they've always controlled and now it's
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just a big shopping mall where they go to the nation who's making the best thing that they want
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to use and they inflict damage with it that's how they view us there was a mindset to being
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generationally wealthy that is very hard to get into you cannot spend 50 million dollars if
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unless you're buying jet airplanes from the military you can't spend it in a single lifetime
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and some of these we have trillionaires now these money is valueless they don't value money
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that's just a tool they value real assets which is why oh nothing and be happy got said and take it
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back they spoke the quiet part out loud you know i mean that's what they're planning they they're
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going to return the entire earth now to a feudalistic society if they have their way and my hope lies in
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everybody just saying oh fuck off no john do you think they'll send us all out to the fields they
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will try to you see your career in the future being in the fields i don't see myself having a
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career in the future i just put food in my mouth and constantly and maintain and try to keep a roof
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over my head and you know i'm somebody's house pet now i don't even try i could go back in the
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workforce what the hell would i do nobody wants to hear from me you know i'm so unpopular with
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anything comes out of my face but you know i'm not pulling any punches it's not i'm not pessimistic
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i'm just you know i can appeal to i stopped you know trying to write on my blog and all
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this stuff because it's like i don't want to appeal to a audience i want to have a one-on-one
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conversation with somebody and be compelling and effective and that is the only way i've found i'm
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able to do that yeah so my lead where do you where do your hopes lie for the future
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have you my hope lies in the people my hope lies in the people i think that when
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more and more people know the truth that change will take place yeah and if you if you pull a big
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root out like vaccines have always been harmful cannot be anything but harmful there is no good
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one bad one this one's okay this was not okay no fence sitting allowed it is directly poisoning
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you like spoon feeding rat poison into your mouth and all the people that have ever you know had
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something to do with putting a shot in your arm are guilty of harming you that's it all right that's
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it and that is a lot of people that's a lot of fools that's a lot of you know conspiring psychos
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but whatever okay you bring up charles rocher and just pull the root out it cannot be possible
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they don't work the way they've been told they offer no protection they only offer harm period
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end of story and then the pandemic folds and then they all that everybody comes out of the bushes
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guilty yeah because they are they have a big sign on their head you know i had this idea we could
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we could um you know if we apply ourselves somebody could do this john i was asking my
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lead because she's the guest oh i'm sorry i'm sorry but we could we could digitally brand them
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with a scarlet p psycho you know with ai if we really wanted to program that but we won't be
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allowed to so well i do agree with one thing you say if we're given a choice to take away all the
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computers overnight i would vote for that because i think but television yeah my lee what what do
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you think where so yeah so so i i um yes i i think the hope still lies with people when
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when people really wake up and know the truth know what's happening they start to engage in this
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fight and in australia even though we we don't have a lot we we have we still we have a growing
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numbers of people who believe that that they need to take control they need to to fight and to
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take not so much taking control but to to influence the the government for change and i think that is
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the hope that we're going to have so we have an election coming up in australia that's the federal
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election and more people are going to politics and and and the public are not no longer
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where they could see that the lies of the major parties so they're going to vote for the
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independence and the smaller political groups and and i think that that change will hopefully
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influence the direction of how the government the country's been governed and and and i think
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you know for me i'm just continue to speak out continue to throw my lawyers calling me
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you know what my lease is the trust my lee or or not trust uh sorry
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do you trust this lawyer or not oh yes 100 um okay bring him on the call then no i can't just just um
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all right well actually maybe that's a good place to stop yeah um but so thank you very much my
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lee for coming on i i think there's more that we haven't talked about um i would have liked to have
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known more about cambodia vietnam and laos and what you know about those but um
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that would take a long time maybe we can invite you on again is that okay yeah sure yeah thank
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you for having me thank you thank you so much and if you get in touch with charles and we'll try to
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organize some kind of help for you i can get secret back deep but charles needs to email me in that
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case okay to remind me char and then other other expert witnesses so personally i would make it
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really difficult for them with your expert witnesses and insist on them being admitted
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and that was that will cause the case to be adjourned okay all right but you need so the
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lawyer should be able to help you with that you're saying dr bhakti would be happy and mike eden um
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he would really think about and he's a former vice president of fiza interestingly so he's
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a whistleblower essentially yes yes that would be great that will be terrified of what was secret
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back to you has been attacked by the german government so he's obviously dangerous yes um
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and we've got other people jj couey should be an expert witness i would ask your lawyer
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yeah to say that you are instructing him to instruct my my lawyer is good they're working
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with instructor certain expert expert witnesses and that will cause the case to be adjourned i
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think they'll have to admit them okay use the box you know yeah so i think you've got an exciting
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time playing with them yes future my lead and especially i would emphasize that you come from
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cambodia all the time okay it came from the tibetania of cambodia yeah to safety in in
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australia and you're very surprised at what's happened in australia particularly in victoria
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yes okay thank you do you understand me so they won't be able to yes i understand what you're
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saying but you make me feel uncomfortable it is um it is being it's been submitted it is part of
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my submission um they were aware of that yeah good yeah i think your biggest weapon is where
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you come from that you escaped from that tyranny on a small boat taking huge risks and and
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and now you're very surprised that you're living in similar times in in australia