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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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In today's meeting, this community was founded four years ago by Dr. Stephen Frost, a medically
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a British trained medical doctor with a passion for truth.
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As a seasoned whistleblower and activist, Stephen founded this group to champion truth,
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ethics, justice, freedom and health in the face of global challenges.
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I'm Charles Covess, your moderator, and Australia's passion provocateur.
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I wear my red jacket because red is the colour of passion to remind you to be passionate
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about everything that you do.
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After 20 years as a lawyer, I shifted gears 32 years ago to become a professional speaker,
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amongst other things.
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And for the past 14 years, I've guided parents and lawyers in addressing vaccine injuries
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and medical failures.
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In fact, medical failures are the number one cause of death these days in America, according
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to the latest data that I've been mentioning on numerous occasions.
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I'm also chief executive of an industrial hemp company that is going to make a massive
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positive difference on America, on Australia, and on Europe and on each one of your lives.
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At this time, we remember Rainer Fulmick, unlawfully incarcerated in jail in Germany
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following a show trial, and the Netherlands, what's the name of the Netherlands doctor
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who's been fighting the government, has now been harassed and jailed and attacked by the
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Anyway, we think also of any lawyers fighting the good fight for truth, freedom, justice
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and ethics.
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Our group is a dynamic blend of voices of doctors, lawyers, homeopaths, journalists,
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professors, peacemakers, and bold troublemakers hailing from corners of the globe.
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Many of us once viewed vaccines as benign, now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers
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with pride.
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And I'm certainly one of them, and I would never take a vaccine of any description because
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not one of them has ever been properly tested for safety and efficacy.
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First time as you're warmly embraced, introduce yourself in the chat, share where you're from,
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and let's connect.
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Got a podcast, book, newsletter or show?
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Drop the links in the chat so we can amplify your work and stay connected.
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We're in the thick of a global struggle of World War III with medical and scientific
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battles among 12 battlefronts.
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Another of the 12 battlefronts is the spiritual battlefront.
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Five and a half years into this fight with more to come, there's no room for being tired.
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Stay strong, stay healthy, listen to the advice that you get in these meetings.
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There's some wonderful resources.
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If you have a health problem, put a request into the chat.
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There's some amazingly skilled, knowledgeable people in this group.
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Science we know has never done it, thrives on challenge and inquiry.
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Some here believe in viruses, others see them as fiction, and many are still exploring all
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views fuel their dialogue.
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And I note people keep making comments in the chat on the recordings on the Rumble channel,
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and they go, you are all idiots to even allow the possible existence of viruses.
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So there you are, you're all idiots.
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If you have any open mindedness around viruses.
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These two and a half hour sessions are action oriented.
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After the meeting, Tom Rodman hosts an optional Telegram video chat.
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We'll hear from our guest presenter today, Dr. Clayton Baker from the US.
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What part of the US are you in, Clayton?
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I'm in New York State.
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Beautiful.
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So Clayton's from New York.
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We'll have a following his presentation.
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Stephen Frost asks the first set of questions for 15 minutes.
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There's a free speech haven appropriately moderated to keep ideas flowing.
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Free speech is our weapon to safeguard our liberties.
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If something offends you, own it.
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We sidestep the outrage culture and its demands to silence truth as we sidestep the
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triggering culture.
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Don't say anything you might trigger somebody.
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We choose love over fear.
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Fear binds and sickens.
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Love liberates, heals and inspires.
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These twice weekly meetings are far from mere talk.
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They've birthed real world actions and alliances.
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A key tactic in our fight is exposing medical crimes on social media,
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rallying behind the demand of medical truth now coined by John Rappaport.
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I urge all of you to demand medical truth now.
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This call can unite humanity in a search for accountability.
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And Mark Dyer, well done to you for calling for medical truth now.
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And as soon as you shine a light on truth, a lot of people go scurrying.
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Share solutions, products or resources in the chat.
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The meetings are recorded and uploaded on the Rumble channel.
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And we're thrilled to welcome our guest presenters today.
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Dr. Clayton Baker from New York State.
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Thank you for sharing your time with us.
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I'll give you a quick intro for those who didn't get the invitation.
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So Clayton is the 2025 Brownstone Fellow.
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And I'm a big fan.
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I've been a long time subscriber to Brownstone Institute.
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Jeffrey Tucker is the Clayton, the founder.
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That's right.
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That's correct.
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Congratulations on being a Brownstone Fellow.
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And you're a senior fellow with the Independent Medical Alliance.
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You're an internal medicine physician with 25 plus years in clinical practice.
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You've held numerous academic medical appointments
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and your work has appeared in many journals,
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including the Journal of the American Medical Association
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and the New England Journal of Medicine.
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From 2012 to 2018, Clayton was clinical associate professor
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of medical humanities and bioethics at the University of Rochester.
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And Clayton is the author of the book, The Medical Masquerade.
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A physician exposes the deceptions of COVID.
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Available at Amazon, Barnes and Noble and Lulu.
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So Clayton, can you put that link into the chat?
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The Medical Masquerade.
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In fact, easy to find.
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And you can follow Clayton on X at CJ Baker MD.
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So thank you also to Stephen Frost for starting this group.
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Clayton, type that in there so people can buy your book.
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And the link in there and your ex Twitter and your ex handle, ex.com handle.
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I will do that.
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Well done on writing a book.
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I've written two books, co-authored another two books.
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It's a lot of work and there are some people here.
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I think Jerome Corsi has written 30 books
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and Dave Raznick's written a number of books.
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Clayton and Thomas Bender's probably written a few books
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and Robert Harper's probably written a few books.
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And on we go.
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Over to you, Clayton.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Very well.
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Thank you very much for having me.
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And Stephen, thank you for contacting me.
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It's a real pleasure and honor.
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I'm familiar with this group.
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I've seen your, I've sort of, I think way back a couple of years ago, kind of,
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what's the word?
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Skulked is the wrong word.
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What do they call it?
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Lurking.
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I think when you just go and listen in to an online thing.
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We like lurkers here.
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We like trolls as well.
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As soon as they shine their head, we chop them off.
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And if no one's criticizing you, then you're really not coming up with new ideas.
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So we get plenty of criticism.
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So Clayton, I'm glad you've had access to us.
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So you know what we like.
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And I'm genuine when I say, you know, it's a free space environment,
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but relevant to the topic that we're talking about, whatever you're talking about.
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Correct.
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So, well, Stephen and I spoke a little bit yesterday and there were two issues that
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I've written about was a number of issues I've written about, but there's two that
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he expressed, I think some interest in having me talk about.
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I know you all have had Kirk Moore from Utah in the United States on the show.
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And as you all may know, Kirk Moore is a physician in the United States who in 2021 and 22 took
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action on his own to protect his patients from the COVID jabs.
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And he, for those people who wish to do so, he provided them with false COVID
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documentation in the form of these little ID cards that they were producing for everyone who
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got the vaccines.
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Without them, there were in various states in the United States, it was different in each state,
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but you would be denied access to certain aspects of polite society or even being able to go to
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your job or whatever if you didn't have evidence that you had been vaccinated.
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And so Kirk took it upon himself, along with a couple of people in his practice, to provide
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people who wished vaccine cards that were given despite the fact that they had not actually
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received the vaccine.
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And he was subsequently brought up on criminal charges in the United States for doing this.
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In January 2023, he was charged by the US Department of Justice, run by the
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AG under Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, with offenses that could have totaled up to 35
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years in prison for this.
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Now, of course, the charges that he was charged with were not obviously violent
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crimes or anything of that nature.
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It was things like conspiracy to defraud the United States because he was supposedly issuing
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these fake vaccination cards, conspiracy to convert, sell, convey, and dispose of government
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property for allegedly getting rid of these COVID vaccines, and so on.
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So it was all these very, how shall I say it, indistinct kind of, not thought crimes,
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but these sort of nonviolent sort of crimes that were somewhat cooked up as basically
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thwarting the desire of the federal government.
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And despite President Trump winning the 2024 elections, this year he was up on trial,
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and Trump's new Department of Justice was continuing to pursue this case.
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It became kind of a cause celebre in the United States, and they actually went through the first
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three days of the trial, and by all accounts the trial was not going well for the prosecution.
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And during the weekend break in the trial, the attorney general, Trump appointed and
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approved attorney general, a woman by the name of Pam Bondi, decided to drop the case.
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And it was interesting because what she had said, two things that she had said was that,
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I'm going to read it for you.
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She said, at my discretion, the Justice Department has dismissed charges against Dr. Kirk Moore.
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Dr. Moore gave his patients a choice when the federal government refused to do so.
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He did not deserve the years in prison he was facing.
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It ends today.
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And then she added another, this was all on Twitter,
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this would not have been possible without Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia,
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who brought the case to my attention.
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She's been a warrior for Dr. Moore and for ending the weaponization of government.
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But when all of this happened, I actually know Kirk a little bit.
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Over the years, he and I have spoken, and we've kind of become internet friends, if you will.
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We've not met in person yet, but I hope too soon.
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And we were in conversation at various points throughout this whole ordeal.
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And anyway, when that happened, I got in touch with him and I wrote this article for Brownstone,
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which came out a couple of days after he was exonerated.
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It's called The Exoneration of Kirk Moore and the Trial of Pam Bondi.
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It was on July 16th, I think those three or four days afterwards.
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And my thesis in this essay was two things.
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It was number one that it was highly unlikely that
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Attorney General Bondi was not aware of this case.
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It was just too prominent and she's a very media intense kind of person.
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I know many of you are not from the United States,
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so some of the national players in the US of A are not necessarily
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on your radar screen all the time.
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But she's a fairly media forward kind of personality,
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and she's gotten a lot of criticism for basically being,
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to a lot of people's minds, not very aggressive with a lot of the COVID era criminals.
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And a lot of other people in the United States have been guilty of,
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for example, offenses against free speech during the last five years.
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She kind of talks a good game, but there really haven't been many arrests or charges against anybody.
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And so at any rate, going into the case, it was pretty clear that
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her Justice Department, and in fairness to her,
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what it may be like in other nations, I suspect it's not dissimilar.
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In the United States, we have such an absolutely gigantic,
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just an absolute leviathan of a fourth branch of government,
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which is what is sarcastically called nowadays.
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Basically, the unelected permanent bureaucracy is so ginormous and just so
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self-perpetuating that you can bring in a new administration
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and they can literally never get full operational control over the government.
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So in fairness to her, she probably did not have,
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does not even now have full operational control over the Department of Justice,
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because there's so many career lawyers and career bureaucrats.
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However, she certainly has the ability to dismiss a case,
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a prominent case that she finds to be inappropriate.
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And this did not happen literally until the 11th hour.
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There was probably a good chance that either way,
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she was going to have a lot of egg on her face if this case was allowed to go to completion.
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Well, anyway, gratefully, they did drop the case, as I stated.
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Again, she kind of did this victory lap.
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But as you all may know, one of the absolutely concurrent problems that she was facing with
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at the time was tremendous public outrage over the fact that early on,
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she had said we're going to release the Jeffrey Epstein files.
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And then in a week or two prior to the Kirk Moore case was saying,
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well, there really are no Jeffrey Epstein files to speak of.
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And it's really not something we're going to get into.
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And there was a tremendous amount of gaslighting going on.
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So she was under tremendous pressure based on that.
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And on top of that, very early on in her tenure, after she had been confirmed,
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she had dropped a case against Pfizer.
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Of course, another one of the great COVID era villains for
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illegal practices abroad in places like Mexico.
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And as it turned out, when she was in private practice,
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one of her clients in the past had been Pfizer Corporation.
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So she was facing a tremendous amount of criticism.
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And this case didn't seem to be going well.
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And finally, she dropped the case and Kirk was exonerated.
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So one of the theses of my statement was that,
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obviously, no matter how you come to a good result, we're thankful for a good result.
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And I took some time to go back and say, look,
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what do someone was talking about Muhammad Ali earlier in the pre-conversation.
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And this is something that came to mind for me is that a lot of the great minds
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in ethics in general and in natural law theory were very
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of one mind with the issue of what do you do when you're faced with a law that is patently unjust.
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And I started my essay by quoting St. Augustine, who was widely considered to be the father of
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natural law theory, who said an unjust law is no law at all.
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Then taking it down to Thomas Jefferson, who, of course, was the principal
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author of the Declaration of Independence in American history, said, if a law is unjust,
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a man is not only right to disobey it, he's obligated to do so.
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And down to Henry David Thoreau, who was a transcendentalist philosopher in the United
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States, well-known in the United States history, who said that anyone in a free society where the
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laws are unjust has an obligation to break the law. And then, of course, Martin Luther King,
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who said one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
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And my conclusion from this was I regard Kirk, I mean, Kirk's a personal friend of mine,
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but I regard him as a hero. And I can't help but think based on their written record that
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St. Augustine and Thomas Jefferson and Thoreau and MLK wouldn't, I think they would agree with me.
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deep state like Martin Luther King was, then it's OK to make you a hero and it's OK to say that you
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name streets after you and schools after you and whatnot and appreciate the fact that you're
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willing to stand up to tyranny even within your own country. But when it's actually happening,
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you're vilified and you are imprisoned. I went back and did some research. It turned out that
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Martin Luther King was arrested 29 times over the course of his life. Henry David Thoreau spent time
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in jail for refusing to pay his taxes on account of what he thought was the injustices of slavery
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and the injustices of the Mexican War. And, of course, Thomas Jefferson had a price on his head
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throughout the whole revolution. So, you know, all of these guys were basically criminals
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for following through on this notion of a natural law based notion that unjust laws are
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not to be obeyed. And yet, you know, 100, 200 years later, I guess a little quicker in the case of MLK,
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but he had to pay with his life to get this kind of, I guess, acceleration in his posthumous
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reputation. You know, then if you, after the fact, when you're long gone, then they
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consider you to be a hero. And, you know, again, it just takes me back to the issue of, again,
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someone who was well known to Martin Luther King was, you know, with the Vietnam War, of course,
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was Muhammad Ali, who we see a very similar treatment in terms of a famous athlete with
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what happened with Novak Djokovic in the tennis world at the time of the COVID vaccines.
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You're basically going to be vilified and you're basically going to be told that you can't
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ply your trade and you're a disgrace and you're a coward and you're all these other terrible things.
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And yet you come out the other side, if you stand tall, you come out the other side stronger.
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Unfortunately, a lot of other people, you know, it doesn't stiffen the spine, I guess, of too many
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people who are willing to give you credit later on. So I thought that this was interesting from
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a historical standpoint and from a philosophical standpoint that, you know, what Kirk chose to do
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was, I think, heroic. I think it was in certainly, I mean, I think that the evidence is overwhelming
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based on the quotes, which I verified of all of these, you know, accepted to be great thinkers
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from St. Augustine on down. And, you know, this is just the historical pattern. You know, there's
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not much new under the sun that if you choose to do this, this is the path that you're going to
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follow. And, you know, I guess the optimistic thing that I would say to a lot of people is,
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you know, he wasn't destroyed, he wasn't obliterated, he came out the other end. And,
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you know, I was joking with him. It's kind of like the quote in Star Wars where he says,
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if you kill me, I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. And fortunately,
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he didn't get killed. But I think he's got a moral authority now that the people that tried to do this
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to him simply don't have. The final thing that I said in my article that I thought was hopeful was,
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you know, we really need to point out to our people in positions of power, whether it's our AG,
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Pam Bondi, who for all of her faults is infinitely better than Merrick Garland.
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It's absolutely inconceivable that such a result would have come out of a continuation of a Garland
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run Department of Justice. But I think we need to, regardless of what their imperfect
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motivations may have been, I think it's important that we do give credit where it's due when people
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do make the right decision. And I think it's really important that we encourage them to say,
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look, this guy was right. You finally came around better late than never and all that.
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And you need to take this example and see that you doing the right thing under perhaps unpopular
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circumstances is a winning strategy. It's a winning strategy, ultimately, to kind of go
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through the fire. So that was sort of a summary of the essay that I wrote that I think may have
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attracted Kirk and Stephen's interest. I probably would have been quicker just to read it to you,
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but there's the summary. So I'd be welcome to hear what anyone else had to say. The other article
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that people have taken an interest in, and it's the first article in my book that may be worth
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looking at from the standpoint of you all because you all have such an interest in ethics was
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the first one I actually wrote for Brownstone. It's called The Four Pillars of Medical Ethics
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Were Destroyed in the COVID Response. This is back two years ago now, a little over two years ago,
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May of 2023. And it's the first major one in my book here. That's out of focus, but that's okay.
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But essentially what I did is I took it as kind of an exercise to go through all of the
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fundamental tenets of medical ethics, autonomy, beneficence, non-maleficence, justice, and then
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go on into the sub-topics within that. So for example, autonomy, of course, a lot of that is
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informed consent, and informed consent has multiple sub-characteristics and so on.
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And I essentially went through those with a review of what happened during COVID and realized that
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literally every single one of these major pillars and these sub-tenets were, it wasn't just some of
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them were dispensed with, they all were dispensed with. The whole concept of medical ethics was
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completely thrown out the window, was just declared null and void, and was just dismissed with for
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at least two years. And we're still clawing our way out of it now. And we may, who knows
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whether we ever really will get fully out of it. So I had expected that to be a
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thousand word essay or something, talking about the four main tenets. And I went through the whole
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basically the whole textbook on medical ethics and found that not a single aspect of it, not
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a single substantial aspect of it was retained intact. So we're dealing with something where it
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simply was a matter of tossing everything aside. And I think that part of the reason for that,
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isn't it something that we all need to, in my opinion, be aware of, is that this was really a
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military operation at the end of the day. It certainly wasn't the United States. It was
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basically turned over to Department of Homeland Security and Department of Defense to the point
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where you're basically, they're taking a sort of a martial law kind of standing on this. And when
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you apply martial law, what happens to habeas corpus, what happens to other fundamental rights,
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they get tossed aside. And so I think one of the things we have to be willing to do is to realize
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that that's what happened, that it's not an accident that the ethics were thrown away. It's
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basically because without telling us, all of our, we were all placed under martial law and they
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don't have a right to do that. As we all know, they have no right to say, well, the plagues come to
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town, therefore your rights are null and void. That's not in any constitution, certainly not in
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the United States Constitution. And I'll say one other thing about that. I had a friend who was a
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cardiologist and I met him in the hardware store in the middle of 2020 when things were just
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starting to reopen. And I said, this is insane. I said, we have a bill of rights. And he said to me,
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well, the founding fathers didn't know much about infectious disease. And I said, oh, really?
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You didn't know that Thomas Jefferson lost a couple of his kids to cholera, did you? You didn't
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know that George Washington survived smallpox. He had smallpox. Or that Benjamin Rush, who was a
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physician, who was one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence after it was over,
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went over to England to get the Edward Jenner vaccine. He was interested in that. So these
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people had absolutely no clue about infectious disease, but they had all lost family members.
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They had a much better idea of infectious disease than we did because it was a constant threat.
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And yet there was nothing written in here that you have a right to assembly, you have a right
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to worship, you have a right to speech, you have a right to all these other fundamental to earn a
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living unless cholera comes to town. That was not written into it. And they knew darn well that
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that was a possibility. So I think all of these arguments takes us into one other area that I
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could talk about if people are interested. It's just basically the history of public health.
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And history, public health as a subtopic of medicine is really going all the way back to
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Rudolf Wirkow in Germany is really a quasi-military concept from the very beginning.
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And it really was even in Wirkow's day considered to be a potential method of state control.
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The Prussians like to do that kind of thing. And that's absolutely where it began. That's
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absolutely where it came from. It came down through the Rockefeller Foundation and so on,
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that these are in the United States, that this is a method of population control.
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The Centers for Disease Control, I think it's less about disease and it's more about control.
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But anyway, we can get into that some more if you want. So I've tossed out a bunch of ideas and I
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don't know if people have any interest in talking about that.
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Clayton, it's Stephen here. We'd be very interested in a ported history of public health.
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Because I remember professors talking at medical school about public health,
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but we weren't clued up, or at least I wasn't clued up enough to understand what they were
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saying. But I remember essentially that the suggestion was from some of these professors
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that public health was dangerous from the point of view of the public. They could be used as a weapon
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by governments of the future. So I think it's, they knew then, you see, some of them did.
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Not all, but some of them.
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Yeah, I think you're fortunate that you had people teaching it to you that were as open about it as
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that. Because quite frankly, I was taught that, at best, I was taught, and I went to medical school
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in Canada at McGill University, which back then was still quite British in its style, more so I
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think than American. I felt I got a very solid basic education, such as it was at the time.
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But what I heard from public health was, look, that it really started out, and again, I think
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they were honest at that time about what it constituted to some extent, because it hadn't
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been totally captured by pharma and by, I think, military mindset at that time, although I think
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there was a danger of it. When I was taught about public health, you started with, say,
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John Snow and the pump handle in London for the cholera epidemic, and you said, okay, this is how
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someone does this detective work to figure out where infectious disease is coming from.
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And even if you don't know the exact mechanism, you can make interventions that improve public
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health and prevent mass illness. And then it proceeded on to invariably, to some extent,
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talking about vaccination. And of course, the whole vaccination story or the whole vaccination
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mythos that exists kicks in soon thereafter. I think one of the big problems with that is that
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there's a gigantic disconnect in the facts with vaccination. And I don't have the pictures in
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front of me, but the reality is that most of the public health benefits in terms of reduction in
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disease from sanitation, clean water, and so on, had already happened and had already achieved
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the overwhelming amount of benefit that we were going to achieve prior to the institution of most
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vaccines. Now, of course, smallpox would be an exception because that had been around for
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over 200 years. But the modern ones, post-date decreases in infectious disease outbreaks
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in terms of instituting these vaccines as the cure. That kind of has conveniently been swept
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under the rug, although fortunately it's coming back to the fore once again, and people are
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becoming more aware that, for example, tetanus, you know, there's about 30 cases of tetanus in
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the United States every year, those 330 million people in the United States. So your odds in your
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lifetime of being hit by lightning are supposedly around one in 30,000. So, you know, your odds of
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getting tetanus are dramatically less than being struck by lightning. And, you know, a large
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percentage of patients, I take care of patients, I would say a lot of my patients are way beyond
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10 years. Technically, they should be due for a tetanus booster. So if you really need a tetanus
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shot every 10 years, it ain't that that's keeping it down to 30 cases a year. It's that it's
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exceedingly rare. The reality is that most of tetanus, when it was a problem, was because there
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was a lot of horse manure and dead horses, quite frankly, in the large cities in the United States.
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And that was the vehicle through which people would contract tetanus. But now, you know, there
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really isn't a lot of horse manure, and even in New York City, I was just in New York City, there's
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manure, but it isn't horses. But anyway, it's, you know, that's just simply the case that once you got
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past this primary source of the infection, you really don't see that anymore. Now, the notion
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that you need a tetanus shot every 10 years just seems statistically implausible. Furthermore,
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you know, nowadays, at least in the United States, you don't get it just a tetanus booster,
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you get a Tdap. So you get tetanus diphtheria and pertussis, which means you're getting a
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cocktail of three, because one of them supposedly needs a booster. And so, you know, we really start
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very quickly, even with that one vaccination, we start seeing how this becomes a bit of a shell
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game. We've got a problem, which is trying to present, which is exceedingly rare,
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we've in which the primary problem for which has already been established and taken care of.
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Then we've got this subscription model where people are supposed to continue to be on it,
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even though it's not clear that they need it. You know, we're not testing titers, we're just saying
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this is the rule of thumb that you're supposed to do. And essentially, if you run into the office
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and into the office or into the emergency room, and you're more than now they're saying seven to
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10 years out, so you're more than seven years out, and you cut yourself on something, you know,
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now you're due for this cocktail of three shots. There's really not good basis behind it in any
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way, shape or form. It's a shell game. And this is what we're dealing with in so many different
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ways with all of these products. There's really not good. It's just partly habit, it's partly
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coercion. And that's what we're faced with in terms of modern, quote unquote, public health.
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I think the other thing that I really would point out, and this is going to sound perhaps a little
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bit dark for people, but I think it's important to say, is that in my opinion, and I've written
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extensively on this, the entire concept of this pandemic preparedness situation is a, it's,
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I think the term is improper, but it's what we hear all the time is a Hegelian dialectic.
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The likelihood that those SARS viruses that the Bat Lady got out of those caves in southern China
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back in the 2010s would have ever caused COVID if they hadn't been sent all around the world to
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Ralph Baric's lab in North Carolina and maybe to the Naid lab in Montana, maybe somewhere else,
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and certainly back to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If those had been just, if those bats
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had been left alone and if nobody had been weaponizing those viruses, COVID never would
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have happened. But the whole precept or the whole excuse or the whole justification that they give
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for this whole operation is, well, we have to find these things and we have to monkey with them or
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else they're going to cause trouble. But in fact, I don't even think they're misguided in that. I
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think they know darn well that they're weaponizing these viruses and then they're providing, it's
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the classic problem reaction solution type of thing. And that's the whole, that's the entire,
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entire pandemic preparedness model. It's deliberately creating the problem. It's
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deliberately creating the reaction, the panic and whatever, and then they have the solution.
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And I think we really have to realize that now it's not even, I think it's a three stage kind of
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situation. If we look back at public health, it's this old concept, legitimate concept that there
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are interventions we can make, like cleaning up the water supply or getting the horse manure off
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the street that actually help. But then we managed to realize we can't really make a ton of money
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doing that. We can make a ton of money producing vaccines. So we insert the vaccines in there as
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the next step in the process. And then we don't make enough money doing that. Why? We'll actually
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make the pathogen with the custom made, custom made vaccine to go with it. And so it's kind of
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a three step degradation of public health from something legitimate, perhaps back in John Snow's
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day to something completely, frankly, evil in Anthony Fauci's day. And I think this is a long
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downward slide that we've seen that area of supposed scientific inquiry descend to.
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And indeed I interviewed Carrie Mardet on tetanus. She's quite an expert on tetanus.
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And even that word, you know, what is tetanus in this whole conversation? You know, how do you know
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you've got tetanus? So having heard Carrie on it, and I certainly wouldn't take a tetanus shot
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because I stood on a rusty nail in that whole game. And she looked for that research on the evidence
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of the efficacy of those shots. So are you ready for questions, Clayton? Sure. Those wonderful three
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topics. I'll have you know that I live in a suburb in Melbourne, Australia. The suburb next to us
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is called Clayton. So there you are. Must be named after your family, although they might be in the UK,
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a place called Clayton. Now the risks that people pushing back against unjust laws,
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I've also mentioned in this group last in July last month, every signatory, the 56 signatories
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to the US Declaration of Independence committed technical treason. They all put their lives on the
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line to sign that declaration. So we've often had the conversation in these meetings Clayton, where
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if we're not willing to suffer for freedom, then we're bullshitters. So that willingness to fight
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for what we believe in these issues. And if we don't, we will certainly, we will certainly lose
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them. And I have I've practiced law for 20 years, I have many, many lawyers, friends in high places in
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Australia. And when I say to them, I'm appalled at the attacks on freedoms, they say, what are
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you talking about? So the lawyers even within the system cannot have observed no attacks on freedoms.
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They think like most doctors, what's happened is, you know, totally acceptable. We're protecting people.
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So and lastly, the Magna Carta in 1215 came about because of the king acting in unjust ways. So
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we have the legacy, the 800 plus years legacy, in fact, 810 year legacy of the Magna Carta.
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All right, Stephen, over to you for the next 15 minutes, a whole bunch of very interesting topics.
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And then we go to other questions from lots of other people. I'm sure there will be because I've
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got a stack of questions. Go Stephen. Yeah, so Clayton, thank you very much for that presentation.
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And I just wanted to ask you, you're in New York State and New York State, as I
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understood it from the UK was really badly affected during the so called pandemic,
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which wasn't a pandemic, in my opinion. So and California and I think those are probably the
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two worst states, but I think the New England states were pretty bad too. But I think the
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most the worst damage was done in to businesses and such like was probably done in California
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and New York. And it was a shock to me that they were as woke as they were. I wonder whether you
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can remember in the details of how life was in New York and what you thought of what was going on in
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2020 and 2021 and 2022 for that matter, because actually the pandemic was official until the
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11th of May 2023, when for the first time people who haven't been vaccinated could actually enter
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the United States. So medical apartheid for from October 2021 to May the 11th of 2023.
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I just wondered what your idea of what was going on in the United States, your reaction to it,
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compared with New York and how bad was life really in New York State with of course New York City
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and Los Angeles, two big targets for these freaks? Yeah, thank you for that. I would say that it was
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pretty bad. New York City, of course, was the worst because New York City has a whole
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level of governance, if you want to call it that, misgovernance on a daily basis that the rest of
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the state doesn't have, but it does have also the population center. So we travel along with it.
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And so as you may know, we were one of the initial areas where there was this tremendous
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intensity of deaths or purported deaths. And there were certainly deaths in New York City.
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How many of them were due to the treatment protocols is arguable. But that was definitely
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something that was very prominent in the very early stages of the 2020 even, you say,
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in the first three months of the pandemic, say March, April, May,
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that was the era shortly thereafter in which they started sending the patients back to
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the nursing homes that were recovering from COVID. And you had all those additional nursing home
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deaths that happened in a number of states. And of course, New York State was one of those.
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I recall in mid-2020, I'm in Rochester, which is about five hours from New York City by car,
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that they actually took, it was actually earlier than that, it was probably April,
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they took, were asking for volunteers and physicians to go down and spell some of the
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people that were so exhausted in New York City. And I actually considered doing that.
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We had a child at home that was having issues, not COVID related, but was out of school and
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was struggling. And so I didn't end up going, but I had one fairly close friend who did.
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And the fascinating thing was she went down for a week and did nothing, was not really employed in
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any meaningful way. This is a pediatric emergency room physician, so somebody who had
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the skillset to be able to man an inpatient ward or man potentially an ICU or something if necessary
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and really was kind of standing by for a week. So again, nothing made sense. Life was difficult
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because we were essentially locked down. You could go to the grocery store, you could go to the home
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depot, which is our big box hardware store kind of thing, and a couple of other places, the Walmart
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and so on. But you couldn't, all of the small town, all the smaller businesses were shut down.
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Now how it was, of course the liquor stores were open. How you could be safe going and buying booze
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or buying two by fours at the big hardware store, but be in danger if you went to the
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corner store was never spelled out to anybody. The schools were closed and the kids were all doing
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completely quote unquote remote learning, which meant they were doing absolutely nothing.
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And it was pretty much a given that we were not going to get the kids back into school during that
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school year. Now myself as a practicing physician for about two weeks, I was told I couldn't come
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into the office, but soon they let me go into the office and I went in the very first day I could.
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And I said, I don't want any remote, any remote nonsense. Just I'm supposed to take care of my
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patients. Let me go and take care of my patients. And for the most part, I was able to do that.
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But did they make you, so did they make you, for example, wear a mask to treat your patients?
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They instructed everyone to wear that. Yeah, you had to at that point to wear a mask and all that
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stuff just while you're in the office. Absolutely. I'm an employed physician. So yes, I was told to
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do that. I can't say I was 100% compliant, but I was certainly instructed to do it.
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Did you realize then, Clayton, that it was an important psychological thing, the mask,
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so I never wore a mask at any time, even though people were telling me I just wouldn't do it.
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I just knew that if I wore a mask that would make me worse. I knew I had to resist it to survive.
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But obviously, I understand that other people didn't, but was there a lot of pressure on
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people in New York State, for example, upstate New York to wear a mask?
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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. The masking was, if you went into the store, I remember going into,
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now again, I don't know how many of you are from foreign, not from the United States,
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perhaps I'm the foreigner here, but some of the places that are sort of, everyone knows in the
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United States because of these giant conglomerates, but you'd go into Costco, which is the big box store
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where you buy too much of everything, too many paper towels and all that.
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And I would not wear my mask. I just wouldn't do it. And I would be, most people would look
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askance at me and then every so often I'd take crap from people. More than once I walked out
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of stores because they wouldn't cash me out. So it was pretty bad. And this went on for a while.
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I mean, this went on for most of 2020 and into 2021. In some ways, it got worse in 2021 because
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that's really when once Biden was declared the winner, magically the vaccines were considered
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to be something everyone wanted to take. There was actually some pushback against the vaccines
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at the very end of 2020 while the elections were going on because they were Trump's vaccines.
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And if they were Trump's vaccines, a lot of people said, I'm not going to take them.
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I mean, I'm in a relatively, you know, I'm in a place that's 55 Democrat, 45 Republican on a good
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day. And of course, New York City is probably 80, 20. So, you know, this was the mindset. But then
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once Biden was declared the winner, you know, then there became this very strong push. And particularly
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when his administration took over, there's a very strong push for mandatory vaccination.
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And then it became an issue of not being able to participate in society, even though things had
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opened up if you did not have your vaccine cards. And that's where the whole issue that came up with
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with Kirk Moore. So this is now into 2021. Taking it back to the summer of 2020, you know,
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we're basically at home. Most of the time you'd go and you'd shop and whatever, but you mostly
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stayed at home. And a lot of people, there's all these rules about large gatherings. You weren't
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supposed to meet people for Thanksgiving, which is a big holiday in the United States. This was in
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November. But in the summer, you know, basically a lot of people would just go to work and come home
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and do very little else. Of course, that's deadly for these small businesses, restaurants and
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whatnot. But that's what was going on. And it was clear to us, a lot of the parents, and I had three
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kids in high school at the time that it was in New York, at least where we were, it was very unlikely
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that these kids were going to get back into in-person schooling in the fall of 2020 into 2021.
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By then, of course, we knew very, very well that, you know, the schools have been open in Scandinavia
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all along. Everyone was fine. Kids don't get sick from COVID. Nobody dies from COVID. That's under
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a very, you know, under 40. And so that's when I really became very strongly active.
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I guess you would call politically because I was pushing very, very hard to try and get schools open
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for the kids. I thought this was low hanging fruit. I thought this was an absolute no brainer. And of
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course, in many other states in the United States, the schools were fully open by the fall of 2020,
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but not in New York. There were a couple of districts, a couple of rural districts that
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quietly kind of got the job done. And there was actually one county in Long Island, actually quite
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near New York, but which is more conservative, that the parents were just, I guess, just effective
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enough that they managed to get their kids back in school all day. Now those kids are in school and
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they're wearing masks and there's plexiglass and there's insanity all around them, but they're
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physically in school and they're getting an education. The best they were able to do or the
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best they were willing to do where we were was two days a week in school. It was never explained
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why that Wednesday nobody was in school. It was you were in Monday, Thursday, or you were
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Tuesday, Friday, and then everyone got the day off on Wednesday. And that was just insanity for that
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whole 2020-2021 school year for the kids. And then- Was that 20 or 21 or both?
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So right. So if we look back and you look at that March 16th, I think it was, that the declaration
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in the United States, 16th or 18th, was that we're locking down, the two weeks to flatten the curve.
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It was pretty clear within a few weeks after that that the schools simply weren't going to be opened
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in most of the United States for the rest of that school year. And in the United States,
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the school year is basically September through end of May, early June. So once the summer vacation,
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which is late June, July, and August, and then right after Labor Day, which is beginning of
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September, the kids all go back to school. During that summer, there was a lot of effort by myself
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and others to get the schools fully open in the fall. But that was the period of time when
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Randy Weingarten, who was that horrific human being in the United States-
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Oh, the interesting- Wait a minute, Clayton. Oh, yeah. Someone-
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So, yeah, no, no problem. So that was when the whole kerfuffle went up about getting the schools
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opened and the teachers unions and so on managed to keep them shut. And so we had this hybrid
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learning. So we had our cohort split in half, our classes split in half. Half the kids would come
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in one day, half the kids would come in another day. And since the five-day week, nobody came in
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on Wednesday. It was just out of insanity for that whole year. And then once we had actually,
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by March, in our part of New York State, myself and about 20 other people had gotten together and
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we had put together a lawsuit for the entire state of New York to open up the schools.
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And it was going to court. And we had internal intelligence that someone had leaked from one of
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our schools that they had a plan. At least one of the districts had a school to reopen the schools
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because they thought they were going to lose the case. Unfortunately, the judge at the 11th hour,
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literally the night before the hearing, recused himself from the case, gave no explanation as to
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why he had a conflict of interest because by law he didn't have to. And the case was completely
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torpedoed because they would have to assign a new lawyer and a new judge and all that sort of thing.
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So we had literally no recourse at that point until the school year was over. So it was bad.
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We didn't have essentially legal remedies for what we were trying to do. And I was involved at a
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legal level. I wrote a number of expert affidavits for businesses that were trying to open for
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kids' sports, that kids could at least play sports outside of school if they couldn't
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go to school. So I was involved in multiple, multiple of those cases. We won some, we lost
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but in terms of the schools, there was just too much going on behind the scenes. To some extent,
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the teachers unions were really running the CDC at that point. So it was just a horrendous situation
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for the full school year of 2020 into 2021. And we were still fighting-
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Sorry, go ahead.
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No, I was just going to say we were still fighting that next summer because there's no guarantee
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that going into the fall of 2021 that they were even going to have the schools fully open. Now,
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of course, down in Florida, they'd been open that whole previous school year and their results were
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better than they were in New York, but it made no difference. People are very provincial. They don't
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think outside of their own, they don't gather information outside of their own small area.
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And it was just a constant struggle for over two years.
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Yeah. So Clayton, you're in New York state. That's one of the worst parts. Of course,
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New York City was the worst part of New York state, but I think New York state was pretty
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bad because I knew some people in and know some people in New York state. And so, and I wonder,
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how long was it before you realized that you were essentially on your own in 2020? And when did you
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begin to realize that there were some people around you who had some understanding of what was going
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on and actually agreed with you or were there none? Did you feel very alone for like two years?
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No, I would say that there was a small but very mobile or mobilized group of people. Actually,
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it was interesting. My county, which is Monroe County, which is in, it's the county that basically
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surrounds Rochester, was actually had a, was kind of a hotbed down in the southern part of the state
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in Long Island. And where we were, were kind of hotbeds of descent. How successful we were,
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I think we had some successes, but we were, there was just a number of people that happened to
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cluster there. And we had a group of about 5,000 parents who were on a Facebook page,
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about 5,000 parents who were on a Facebook group. And it was heavily censored, but we still managed
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to get the information out. And we ran these lawsuits, we petitioned, we protested, we
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raised a pretty good stink throughout the whole time. And we managed to get some changes through.
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I think it could have been worse. I think that large parts of New York state might not have opened
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for school, for example, initially in that fall period, if we hadn't continued to be active.
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And I think we came very close to successfully opening the schools in that March of 2021 until
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we were torpedoed by this judge. So I think that there were certainly were people I knew,
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but it's a very small group. It was maybe
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half a dozen, 10 really, really active people and hundreds to a couple of thousand of like
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minded people that will sort of back you quietly, but won't truly speak out.
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It was not totally alone. I was grateful for that. But I was the only physician in
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my part of the state, I would say. There was one other physician's assistant who was very vocal,
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but I was one of two physicians or physicians assistants in an area of a couple million people.
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If you take Buffalo and Rochester combined, two people in the medical field,
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it's a very small number of people that were willing to really stick their necks out.
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Yeah. So I don't think a lot of people realize how brave Kirk was because he did what all the
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doctors should have done all around the world. The ones who hadn't kind of resigned from the
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general medical council like I, because I didn't want them snapping at my heels when I knew I had
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things to do. But yes, had I been working with patients in 2020, I think Kirk was the example.
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So when you're faced with a fraud pandemic, well, I don't believe pandemics are possible actually,
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but I think it was a fraud pandemic, then you have, and they say that they have to isolate people,
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human beings, highly social animals from each other because there's an emergency pandemic
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response. I think we have every right to break the law. All right. We're up 20 minutes.
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He's on the call. He understood that and he acted good for him. Yep. Correct. Very well said. And
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that's the risk we have to take. We have to be willing to suffer. Oh, that's not criticism of
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you, Clayton. I got some trouble. I didn't, I wasn't up on federal charges, but I got, I
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probably spent $10,000 in legal fees, but I was, I didn't get in the same amount of trouble that
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Kirk did. All right. Let's get into the questions. Now we had Anders hand up, but then it's down.
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Anders, your hand wasn't taken down. Let's just fall down. What's your story? And then we've got
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Albert. Maybe Charles, you can encourage people to ask questions because without the questions,
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the questions will come. I've got plenty of questions while I'm waiting for questions.
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I want John Baudwin. I'm very sure. And I want John Baudwin to tell us about his latest court
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case, but Anders, do you want something or shall Anders go? We've got Albert, I mean.
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Well, Anders is not usually shy, but anyway, no, we can't hear him.
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Okay. Hello. Hello. Yeah. Yeah. Now we can hear you.
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And it was great to hear you, Dr. Baker. It was a good testimony of what's going on.
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I don't want to tell too much. Let's say I'm in Norway and I am doing my own stuff. I would say
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your testimony is really great. And I'm not going to go too deep into
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questioning you, but it is a really interesting story. You have a marvelous story
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for presentation. And I just wonder what is the
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what is the contest to the marvelous story of, let's say, there are so many
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contests to this story. What do you have to say of, let's say, I'm trying to figure the best way
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to say it. You have a story. What is your story to the major mass
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death of people who is dying in recent time? Linked to, let's say you can call it for 5G.
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You can call it for many other stories, which is linked to, let's say,
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mass determination of those who are subject to master demonization of, let's say,
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those who are dying outside the statistics of master. And who is dying? People are dying across
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the board. Do you know that about 130 to 140 million died the last 20 years? And how did it happen?
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Have you any idea? Yeah, I would say that. Thank you for the kind words and for your question. I
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would say a couple of things in response to that. I think that there's in many ways, I think that
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the whole covid disaster was obviously for many of us was a wake up call. You know, obviously it
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made us very much aware that this was not an accident, that this was in large part very much
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deliberate. And I spoke earlier that we have this whole technique, if you will, or this whole
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mode of action that a great many people in power in our world, not just in the United States,
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not just in Europe, but throughout the world utilize of creating a problem, generating a
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reaction and then proposing what the solution is. And I think that's what we saw during covid.
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I think it's absolutely the basis of the of the scam that is the pandemic preparedness so-called
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racket. And I think it's, for example, what's going on right now with geoengineering. You know,
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there's a tremendous amount of stuff going on over our heads that we need to become aware of the
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amount of toxic spraying that's going on. That's a new subject of really key interest for me,
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which is happening at various different levels. Part of it's our government,
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our governments under the pretense of protecting us from climate change are dimming the sun and
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blocking out sunlight and essentially polluting the atmosphere. But as we, some of us are becoming
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increasingly aware, this is not for that purpose. I believe part of it is a depopulation agenda.
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I mean, you don't spray aerosolized aluminum over the whole planet. But if you want people to
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flourish, if you want life to flourish, we know that aluminum is solely toxic to us. And we also
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know that the weather is being weaponized. It's been weaponized since essentially in some ways
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1:04:22
since the end of World War II. We know that the U.S. government severely weaponized the weather
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1:04:28
during Vietnam with Operation Popeye. We know that the U.S. government created a lot of
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the deadly hurricane that struck South Carolina, I believe in the 60s. That was Operation Cirrus.
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And we know that there was a similar disaster, at least one in Wales back in the 60s, which the
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British government never admitted to. And those are peanuts compared to what's going on now
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over our heads. We can get into the 5G, we can get into Nexrad, we can get into Harp
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and all these other technologies. So, you know, if we look in that area, what is the pretext?
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The pretext is, oh, well, we have from a defense standpoint, we have to have these defensive
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techniques because otherwise other nations will do this to us, which is exactly the reason we
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built more atomic weapons and nuclear weapons than we could ever use, blow up the world 100
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times over. And then we have the additional issue of all of this monetary control, which is coming
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1:05:37
out in Europe, which is really very terrifying. You know, so I think that there really is multiple
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mechanisms by which our, I hate to call them elites, I call them the parasitic elites because
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1:05:54
there's nothing elite about just, parasitism is not an elite form of life. But at any rate,
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I think that this is something that we're becoming very much more aware of. And maybe it's a mixed
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blessing, but maybe that's a blessing of the COVID era that I think so many more people know that all
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of these different things are going on, that they are largely problem, reaction, solution, kind of
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Hegelian dialectics, and we need to do what we can to stop them.
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1:06:22
Thank you, Anders. And Anders, I will-
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So I'll just forward the question to Thomas Binder. I think everything is clear. What you say is very
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good answer. I just want to have more people to understand we are into a big problem. Thomas,
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do you agree?
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We've got many Trojan horses for totalitarianism, it seems, Clayton.
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1:06:51
Sorry, I didn't listen to your question. Yeah.
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1:06:59
We'll get to Thomas when he talks. But Anders, you've raised a good point, and we are under
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attack in many fields. So thank you, Anders. Well, from one AB to another, Albert Benavides,
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how about that? Talk about ironic for all those possible combinations of initials.
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Thomas, put your hand back up because it came down automatically. Albert.
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Dr. Baker, it's a pleasure to meet you. My name is Albert Benavides, San Jose, California.
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I'm the bears guy. And my little battle station is just to shout out that I believe that the
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people running bears are the very same people that are manipulating the data and obfuscating
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1:07:49
the data. And we just do not have a true, honest, ethical pharmacovigilant system that was obligated
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by the 1986 Vaccine Act. But with that being said, I think there's a real important case in
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your neck of the words, I believe, with Deborah Conrad and Attorney Warner Mindenhall.
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Sure. Sure. Deb's a friend of mine. Actually, I know both of them quite well.
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Excellent. I figured you must because I think that's right in your backyard there.
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I'm not familiar with New York, but I hear that Rochester area. But my question was,
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how do you feel about that? Are you involved with that? And specifically, if Deborah is
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a contact of yours, I was always wondering in all of those reports that she filed,
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were there any reports that were never published? Because, and I'll put that in the comment section
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now, is that even Bobby Kennedy knows that not all legitimate reports received are even published.
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Just like Breanne Dressen of React 19, her report that was filed was never published.
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And that's beyond underreporting factor. This is a whole different underreporting.
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The stuff they receive and don't publish, nefariously do not publish. So anyways,
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I'm glad to know that you are familiar with that and possibly a part of that. But
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how do you think that case is going to work out?
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1:09:49
Okay. So yeah, thanks for the question, Albert. It's nice to put a face to a name because I'm
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1:09:55
familiar with some of your work with the VAERS data. For those of you who aren't totally familiar,
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1:10:00
maybe I can give a real quick summary. So Deb Conrad actually was the PA that I mentioned that
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1:10:06
was the only other person in my neck of the woods who was really particularly active during the COVID
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1:10:15
era. And what Deborah was a physician's assistant, very trusted long-term employee of a hospital.
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1:10:27
And she was put in charge early on in the COVID period to be in charge of various aspects of the
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1:10:32
COVID care area. And this is back when many of us thought, well, maybe this thing is legitimate.
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1:10:38
And she did at the time. And she realized that it was her responsibility once the vaccines came
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1:10:44
out in 2021 to follow the rules. And the rules in the United States are as if you see a clear
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1:10:51
vaccine injury, you have to file it in this VAERS system, this vaccine adverse event reporting
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system. That's what VAERS stands for, I believe. And it's a very clunky system. It's a very
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difficult system to, it's not easy to report. It takes a lot of effort and you have to input a
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lot of information. But she became absolutely, she was seeing a tremendous number of these
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adverse reactions and she took it upon herself to report all of them. And what she found very
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quickly was she was told by her employers and by her supervisors to stop doing it.
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And she said, well, no, this is wrong. This is, I'm legally responsible to people. She worked
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with the emergency room and the emergency room people saw an awful lot of these because people
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would come back in hours or days or whatever after getting a shot with these reactions.
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And so she had this backlog of cases and people were saying, well, you know, we're being told not
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to do it. We're being told, she said, I'll do it. So she started taking a lot of them home herself.
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She was doing them on her spare time. She was literally entering many, many of these various
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1:12:06
reports and she ultimately was essentially fired for doing so. So she raised a lawsuit against the
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health system, the hospital that she worked for. And this has gone through and has not been
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dismissed like many other similar ones have, but is what was made it through to discovery right now.
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And now with discovery, you know, the can of worms for this particular
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health care system is about to open because every one of these failures to report constitutes a
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1:12:44
significant breach of the law. And if she can demonstrate that she was, you know, told not to
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do it, well, then that's even worse. So you're talking about an absolutely gigantic potential
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case. And it did recently proceed through to the discovery phase. So it's all out. You know,
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1:13:02
it's like the thing I just saw. I can't verify it, but that, you know, Macron had sued who was the
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1:13:10
person in the United States, the Candace Owens. Yeah, Candace Owens. It sued Candace Owens for
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1:13:15
claiming that his wife was a man. And now he's dropped it because he realized that, you know,
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there's going to be discovery. So obviously discovery is a big deal. And so we're reaching
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that phase now with that case. I'm not directly involved in the case, although I know Warner,
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men and all the, the lawyer very well. I've worked with him a little bit in other issues
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1:13:37
and I know Deb very well. And the interesting thing, one of the interesting things about Deb
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is the, I didn't know Deb prior to COVID, but I will tell you this, I met a lot of just really
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1:13:59
great people through COVID because the people that did find the need or felt compelled to stand up
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1:14:04
to this are some of the best people I've ever met. And Deb is one of the finest human beings
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you could ever hope to meet. And, you know, the notion that you would just try to destroy her for
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doing her job, it really shows the degree of cynicism and the degree of, there's really not,
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you know, it's kind of this Hannah Arendt banality of evil kind of thing that you've got these people
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who trusted her and worked alongside her for better part of 20 years. And now they're just
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going to destroy her because she insists on doing her job and following the law. It's, it's, it doesn't,
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1:14:40
it does not say good things about human nature. But hopefully, yeah, we're at a point now, I guess,
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in that case where she and Warner, and Warner's a bulldog, he's not going to stop.
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It could blow a lot of the various situation wide open.
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1:14:56
Thank you. Thank you, Albert, for the question. It's a great reminder of the sometimes the price
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1:15:02
we pay for fulfilling our obligations. Now Kirk Moore is here. So Kirk, if you want to say anything,
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1:15:07
most welcome, but nothing bad has been said about you. Clayton only said good things about you,
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1:15:15
and we've been singing your, singing your praises. We've got just one second, I had a thought
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1:15:21
coming across there with VAERS. We've got the same problem in Australia, it's called DAEN,
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1:15:30
Database of Adverse Events National, DAEN. And it's also proven to be significantly defective.
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1:15:36
Albert has worked with Sharon Cousins, who has been doing a fair bit of work here in Australia.
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1:15:42
And so the data upon which people quote, and indeed, I shared a research paper, someone said
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1:15:46
to me, look, here's the research paper that proves having vaccination reduces your chance of heart
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1:15:54
problems. And I go, wow. And whilst you've been published in the New England Medical Journal,
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I think the retired editor says that less than half of those published research papers
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1:16:05
can be relied upon. So all of us have heard that many times. And the other thing I wanted to say,
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1:16:11
Clayton, was Warner Mendenhall has presented to us three times here so far. So we know Warner well,
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and he's also doing great work in fighting for our rights. So Clayton, we used to supply
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Warner with clients. Wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thomas is here. TB.
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1:16:29
Talking about tetanus, we've got the TB man here.
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1:16:39
Yeah. Oh, Thomas Bindey. He's in Switzerland. Is that right, Thomas? But Thomas, Kirk needs to
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understand, Thomas, that you're a potential ally for him because, you know, Kirk Moore, the guy who
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1:16:54
was, yeah, they stopped the case, Pam Bondi. But Kirk probably doesn't know you. So maybe he does.
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But Kirk, you need to know that Thomas was put in, was it a closed psychiatric hospital, Thomas,
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1:17:09
for nine days, and you're a doctor. Well, at Easter 2020, I was arrested by an anti-terrorist
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1:17:17
squad because of my COVID information of the public and sent to Rooney Bean for six days.
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1:17:24
But they could not do me any harm because I never broke, I never did anything wrong. I never broke
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any law. And this was, this is the reason, Kirk, Kirk, you certainly, you have all my support.
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1:17:38
And I'm happy what happened to you, of course. But please do not understand me. I would like
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to discuss which is the best strategy if you want to resist the whole evil agenda in general
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1:17:56
and such pandemics in particular. Because I chose another approach. Of course, my decision was
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somewhat made easier as after my arrest. I was, I knew, of course, I'm under observation now.
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1:18:14
I cannot do any mistake. They are, they are just waiting for a mistake. So for example, to, to
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make, to write mask certificates that they do not have to wear masks only after internet contact
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1:18:31
and not after having seen my patients in my practice. I'm a cardiologist, by the way,
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1:18:37
in the private practice. My approach was the following. Look, if you want to
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1:18:46
overcome totalitarianism, resist totalitarianism, we may not comply. The only weapon we have is
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1:18:56
civil disobedience. If we give those such, for example, mRNA transfection exception,
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1:19:06
exceptions to the patients, we must also know that there is another that this patient will comply.
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I told to all my patients, look, you have to decide what is more important in your life,
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1:19:24
your profession, your education, going on holidays, or just to resist. Do not accept the vaccine. Do
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1:19:31
not wear a mask. Do not accept anti-social distancing and so on and so forth. For example,
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1:19:38
the students, I say, they take a year off university. I mean, you can do many even more
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1:19:46
interesting things and learn a lot in a year while you are not in university. So I, I did not write
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1:19:53
such exemptions also because I was under observation. So observation. So this decision to do this
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1:20:02
was easy for me, but we must, we must tell the patients that they should not comply.
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Civil disobedience. Do not wear a mask. Do not accept the vaccine. Do not accept, accept anti-social
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distancing because only with this method, when they do the next try, when they try it again,
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1:20:27
only maybe 10 or 20% of the people will disobey. And this is, this is the only way out of this.
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1:20:34
There is no savior. There is no wonderful Maga, Maha or whatever. I mean, the more time
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passes, we must realize that Maga and Maha are the other scams. If you ask me. So the question to
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1:20:51
you and to all of you is, should we not rather choose this approach? Yeah.
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1:21:00
So who's going to answer that? Clayton, are you going to answer it? And Kurt may have a go at it.
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1:21:06
I'll say something very quickly. The first thing I would say is it's nice to meet you,
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1:21:14
Thomas. I have followed you on Twitter for, I still can't call it X, but I don't know why,
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1:21:21
but I have followed you for a long time and I know a little bit about your trials and tribulations
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1:21:30
and it's very nice to make your acquaintance finally, even if it is on Zoom. But perhaps
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someday we'll meet in person, but very nice to make your acquaintance. I agree broadly with what
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1:21:40
you're saying. It really has to be a change in mindset. And one thing that I've been thinking
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1:21:51
in particular is I think that one step we need to take, in my opinion, all of us here that I think
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1:21:58
see the world differently than many others, I really think that we need to start outreaching to
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very, to the young people because, you know, it's easy for me to say, you know, I'm in my 50s.
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1:22:11
I've had, you know, I've had, I don't have, I'm not going anywhere. If anything happens to me,
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it's probably the deep state. But anyway, but that said, I've had a, I've been very fortunate. I've
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1:22:25
had a charmed life in many ways and I don't think that's really in the cards for young people if
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they don't wake up. You know, I think that this is going to be a very different world in a short
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period of time if the resistance doesn't come more strongly than it is right now. I think that
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there's some awakening, but I don't know that the awakening is adequate. And I really think we need
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to start looking at the younger generation and saying, look, you know, you need to realize that
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the people that are at the very top do not have your best interests in mind. In fact, they may
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1:23:03
not even have your existence in mind. And a lot of young people have an inkling of that,
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that older people don't. You know, one of the things that I was very disappointed with in COVID
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is how willing the old were to sacrifice the young, which I found to be utterly disgusting.
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1:23:24
You know, I can see people keeping their, I mean, I wasn't particularly good at doing it,
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1:23:29
but I can identify with people saying, I'm going to keep my head down and ride this out and
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hope that things get settled. But to just be so blatantly selfish at the level of,
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1:23:48
let's close the schools so that under some, of course, bizarre senseless rationale,
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but even if you believe the rationale under this bizarre senseless notion that we're protecting
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the people in the nursing homes, you know, it's like, you know, these kids need to go to school.
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1:24:05
These are their formative years. You know, the years from five to 20 or five to 25 are the most
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important years in your life. And you're going to take years away from these children so that the
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people in their eighties or nineties can live two more years. I mean, that was literally kind
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of the equation that was thrown out there and how people didn't just totally reject that is absurd.
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I mean, I rejected that as absurd. That's wrong. And, you know, the notion of kids are resilient.
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That's what we would hear from kids are resilient. Well, they better be the way we're treating them,
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the way that they're treated in our societies. I hope they're resilient because they aren't going
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to survive if they, if they, if they aren't. And so that was one thing that just really disgusted
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me. And, you know, I would think, you know, you really start to wonder if you have a, if the,
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if the species has a bit of a death wish, if you're going to sell out your young generation for your
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old generation as readily. And then I go back and you look at history though, and history tells you,
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you know, what's the whole history of warfare. The whole history of warfare is old men arguing
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and young men dying. So really this is probably not very different from the way it's always been,
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but it does not speak well to our species. And I think that one place I hope to go,
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and I hope other people will go is to, is to tell young people who also have a little more
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plasticity in their brains yet. They're not quite so set in their ways and say, look,
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these people are lying to you. You know, it's the same thing as we heard in the sixties and how much
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of that was a sci-op, I don't know, but I don't trust anyone over 30 because most of the people
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over 30 that are in charge, I don't think are particularly trustworthy. So anyway, that's,
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that's one thought that comes to mind based on Thomas's commentary.
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So Thomas and Clayton, how do we make that connection with young people then to get them,
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you know, we've got a serious thing to tell them, but how do we get to them when their own parents
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don't talk to them and their own grandparents, but the grandparents love, of course, idolizing
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their grandchildren, but they don't teach them anything. So, so how do we get to these children?
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Because I agree with you, if we don't, the human species is absolutely sunk and I can see signs of
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it. They're all on their mobile phones. They just waiting for leaders as I can see it, who can lead
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them out of the mess that they find themselves in because they can't buy a house in the UK.
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They can't do anything. They know it, but they can't formulate what it is that's wrong because
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they haven't no experience of life. And we need to lead them out of this. I agree with you, Clayton.
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What do you think, Thomas? I think we should not underestimate the young people. I mean, just
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an example in Switzerland, we had the chance in Switzerland, we have some element of direct democracy.
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So we had the chance to vote three times about a referendum against the COVID law.
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The COVID law gave the government the opportunity to install those insane, all those insane measures
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that were not constitutional until without this COVID law. Okay. And the public voted three times
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for this law against the referendum. So for the law, for the government, with about two thirds to
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one third. But the youngest voters, those from 18 to 35, I guess, they voted against the COVID law
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by 56%. And this was always gave me always some hope. The problem is not the young.
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Problem is our generation. I'm six, I'm becoming 64 in September. The problem is our generation
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that still believes that the mass media, especially the public broadcasters in Switzerland,
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and in the whole Europe, of course, we have the public broadcasters whom we are obliged to pay
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in Switzerland one franc per day, 365 francs per year, so that they inform us objectively.
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And the problem is my generation who still believes that what our public broadcaster
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tells them is the truth. And they cannot imagine, and they could not imagine, that such an insane
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terrorist cardiologist like Thomas Binder in social media blogs and so on and so forth,
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tells the truth. And the public broadcaster is the lie. This is the problem. If you ask me,
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it's not the younger generation. The younger generation gives me much hope because they
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inform not in the mainstream media. They look for information. Look, we are, the public,
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the broadcasters bombard us every day with information 24-7, but always with information
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we are not interested in. And the things that we are interested in, we are never bombarded with.
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So we have to search to get informed actively. The younger generation does this much more
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than our generation, especially over 70 years. I think the average, the median age of the consumer
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of the Swiss public broadcaster is above 65 now. So almost no young people still consume those
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media. And I think that the future, the younger, the young people are the future. I have two
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children, two grandchildren. And yeah, honestly, what was our motivation to do everything we did?
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It was of course that our children, our grandchildren, all children, all grandchildren
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should have a good life as we had after the Second World War and not grow up in an insane
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technocratic world as a slave. That's my two cents at least.
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Yeah. And John, if you don't mind, Kirk has got his hand up, but maybe Kirk has some views on
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this subject as well. Kirk, you can speak if you want to. You're muted at the moment.
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Yeah. Steven, can you guys hear me okay? Sure. Okay. And thanks for having me up. I just wanted
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to give my little two cents worth in there for Thomas and his question regarding. And I mean,
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again, I think Clayton said it kind of agree a little bit with everything. I think the younger
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generation, we have to give them maybe a little bit more credit than what we tend to. I think
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it's a generalized apathy. I struggled with what I was doing from the standpoint of allowing people
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to not have the civil unrest and to just push back. Because I think that if people would push
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back, then we wouldn't be here right now. I think it came though more from our medical community.
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If we'd have just had 10% of our doctors in the United States alone push back, we have over a
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million doctors in this country. And if we'd have had 10% of them just say, no, we're not going to
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do it. And then have a certain percentage of nurses say, we're not going to do it. As opposed to
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the handful of people, I think Clayton and I can probably come up with a list of 25 or 30,
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maybe 100 docs that really were pushing back vocally against everything that was happening.
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You know, Deborah Conrad, you're in a population of 2 million people
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1:32:00
and you know of one other person that was pushing back. That's crazy. I'm in a population of
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2 million, give or take here in the Salt Lake Valley, even Provo, 2.5 million. And again,
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I'm the only one that I know of that was pushing back. That is just far too few.
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It's a generalized apathy. It's a generalized feeling that the government is looking out for us.
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Clayton, what you were saying about the 1960s, you know, look, I don't trust anybody. I don't
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trust anything that the government ever said. You know, I was pushing back against vaccines,
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getting all the way back to 2000, 2005-ish timeframe. I've gotten to fights with all of
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my colleagues and people ask me this question all the time. How many of your colleagues have
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come back to you and said, oh Kirk, I'm sorry for, you know, canceling you. I'm sorry for not being,
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I'm not calling you for not, you know, not helping you or whatever since all of this happened. Not
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one. Not one. I haven't had any of my classmates from medical school. I haven't had any of my
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colleagues that looked at me and said, oh Kirk, you're, you know, you're crazy about what it is
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you're doing. The people that already knew what I was doing, hey, they're still there, but not one
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of those people that, you know, disagreed with what I was doing have come back and said anything.
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So again, I think it's an education thing. I think it's, I agree with Thomas. We need to push
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back. We need to do this as a, you know, civil unrest. I think there is a huge, you know,
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monetary thing like Clayton mentioned. You know, they're going to control the monetary system.
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And therefore with that, they're going to control all of society. They're going to control what you
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spend it on, what you don't spend it on, where you can spend it. And people just don't see that
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coming. And unless they do start seeing it coming, then we're, you know, this is the end of times as
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far as I'm concerned. Sorry, guys. Thomas or Clayton or both, do you want to comment on
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what Kirks just said? Of course. I mean, I could not understand as a doctor, of course,
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first of all, I blame my fellow doctors, of course. I mean, and if only one or two percent
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would have resisted and found one percent of journalists who gave us the opportunity
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to reach the public in the mainstream media. Of course, this could not have happened. The
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whole nonsense narrative would have collapsed within a week or so. But just to explain to you,
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I mean, how there was a total brainwashing of the doctors within days, worldwide, globally, within
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days. How did indoctrination of the general practitioners happen in the province of Arga,
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where I live in Switzerland? At the beginning of March, there was a weekly Zoom meeting on Friday
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at 12.15 or so, where the two main infectious of our two main hospitals, the government,
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the regional government and the general surgeon of my province made a Zoom meeting for all GPs.
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So there we could learn what is COVID, how we must treat it and all this. And in the third
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meeting, I really got angry. I told them, hey, fellow doctors, come back to reality. Come back
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to science. Everything you tell is a lie, it's nonsense. We already know by now that this virus
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is not more dangerous than influenza, highly likely even less dangerous, etc., etc. I explained
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the fake PCR test that can never prove an infection without considering the clinical
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symptoms of a patient, etc. And they closed my microphone. They closed my microphone. They had
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no answer. They closed, they shut me down. And all other questions of the GPs to these people,
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the infectious and the government were about money. What do we have to do not to lose money
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during this pandemic? Because at that time, the government decided that we doctors may only see
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emergency patients. So my practices were half empty. And I always say as my practice was half
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empty, I had time to think. And if I have time to think, I'm becoming dangerous. But this is how it
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works. Within days, my fellow doctors were completely brainwashed. They were afraid of
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seeing the patients. They told their patients, you have COVID, do not come into my practice,
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come again if it's over. I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. I mean, if there really was a
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pandemic of a killer virus, that is a biological impossibility, by the way. But if there was,
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who would treat the patients? Never ever the doctors, because obviously they are the first
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to run away. I always said it's a pandemic of of chowards. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. So that was my first
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thought, Thomas, that the doctors were essentially frightened of the so-called pandemic, which was a
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fraud. The whole thing didn't make sense, you know. So, but you know, I didn't realize at the time in
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2020, I knew that it was a global coup d'etat in March 2020. But I couldn't get my head around
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that my colleagues to almost all of them, I mean, almost all of them couldn't understand what my
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position was. Absolutely. And they wanted to close me down. I was very dangerous to be around.
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Anyway, so our fellow doctors also believe in the official narrative about 9-11, about CO2,
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induced climate change and all that stuff. And these are the most important things.
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I think I'm absolutely sure 99.9% of the people here were critical before COVID.
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For example, me, I guess in about 2007, I saw World Trade Center collapse in three or four.
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This was when I took my red pill. So then I went into 9-11. And within two days, it was clear it was
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total nonsense. Then I was looking into the climate change narrative, etc, etc. And all those
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big narratives are wrong to prove and otherwise. This is, of course, our approach here. But the
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approach of most of our fellow doctors is that they still believe, like the child that believes in
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the Christ child, the Santa Claus and Easter Bunny.
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So Thomas, my curve upwards was Dr. David Kelly and fighting the British government over that,
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except I didn't realize it was a fight. They did. But then I decided that 9-11 was a hoax or whatever.
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And I managed to find Dylan Avery, the director of the brilliant documentary about
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9-11 called Loose Change. And there were several versions of it.
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So I managed to find him on Facebook and started chatting to him until he said,
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I wish 9-11 had never happened. And I said, why? And he said, because it's...
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So he was only 18 when he first made the first version of Loose Change, which was about
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9-11 being an inside job, you know. And he said that his whole life had changed when he made
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that film. And whenever he met anybody, who most of the time he didn't know who the people were
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who were talking to him and who revered him, all they wanted to talk about was 9-11. So he
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could never get off the subject. But it just shows what young people are capable of if they
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meet the right people, you know, if they feel... He was a brilliant filmmaker, even at the age of 18.
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So anyway, John Bauduin... But please stay on Thomas and Kirk, and Clayton, of course.
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John Bauduin has been in New... Sorry, where was it now? Massachusetts. And he managed to get
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all the death certificates for the whole state of Massachusetts, which is a remarkable
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accomplishment because... And I knew about death certificates from the David Kelly case,
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the importance of death certificates, what is written on the death certificate, particularly
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the cause of death, the importance of coroners and all the rest of it, and the importance of
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post mortems. And of course, they were cancelled. The post mortems were cancelled,
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and so were the coroners in 2020. Sorry, did you want to say something, Clayton?
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Yes, I'm going to turn it over to John at this point, because as I think I'd mentioned to you
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yesterday, I have a hard stop. So if you'll forgive me, I'm going to have to... I have something at
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five that I have my time that I absolutely have to attend. So yes, okay. I'd love to come back
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another time and speak with you all. I thank you all for your attention and for having me.
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It's a real honour to be here with all of you, and a pleasure to speak with you. So thanks so much,
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and I'll step aside and let John take over. And Clayton, if you watch your emails,
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you'll get invited to all the meetings now every Sunday and Tuesday. Obviously, you may not be able
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to come, but you're very welcome anyway. Thank you so much. Thank you all very, very much.
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Thank you.