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So everybody welcome, whether you're here live or watching a recording to Medical Doctors
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for COVID Ethics International.
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And today's discussion this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost, during the darkest days
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of the COVID scam responses with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom,
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and health.
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I've stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower
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and activist.
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His medical specialty is radiology.
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I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.
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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur.
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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago.
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And over the last 12 years, I have helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies
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for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.
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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company and I urge you all to have hemp seeds on your
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breakfast cereal and salads and hemp seed oil in your salads.
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We comprise lots of professions here, including doctors, lawyers, homeopaths, journalists,
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scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers, and troublemakers that were from all around
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the world.
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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
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Now many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers.
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If this is your first time here, welcome.
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Feel free to introduce yourself in the chat.
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If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or have a radio or TV show like I do on TNT radio,
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or you've written a book, put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you
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and find you.
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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that there are various
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battle lines as part of this war and the medical science, the medical medical science debate
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is only one of some 12 battle lines.
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Most of us understand the development of the science and that the science is never settled.
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Some of us believe in viruses, some of us do not.
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Some of us are on the fence.
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The meeting runs for two and a half hours, although Tanya Klemenko, our guest today,
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we only have her for an hour.
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And after the two and a half hours, for those with the time, Tom Rodman runs a video telegram
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We'll turn to Tanya Klemenko for as long as Tanya wishes to speak and then we'll have
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Stephen Frost asks the first set of questions.
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There's no censorship.
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It's a free speech environment.
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Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms.
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If you're offended by anything, be offended.
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We are genuinely not interested.
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We reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another.
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We come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear.
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Fear is the opposite of love.
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Fear squashes you.
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Love on the other hand expands you.
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And the great challenge is loving those who have different views to our own.
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These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests.
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An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by
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attendees in these meetings.
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If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will help people put the
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details into the chat.
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The meeting is recorded and is uploaded on the Rumble channel.
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And now welcome to our guest this evening and this morning wherever you are in the world,
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Tanya Klemenko.
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And we thank you Tanya for giving us your time and sharing your wisdom and insights.
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And thank you Stephen Frost again for creating this group and for organizing Tanya to speak
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to us today.
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Tanya, we are all yours.
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Stephen, I've made you a co-host so you are able to share your screen if you wish.
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Yes, good evening.
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Thank you for inviting me.
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I will want to share screen for a couple of reasons.
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One is that I will have some papers which I put on slides or I will show those papers
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and I will have links to papers so in case there is interest I can, you know, I know
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it's recorded but if people want to have copy of the slides with the links to papers so
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I want to show it in context.
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And the second reason is that you can hear English is not my native language and even
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so there are a variety of English flavors probably in this room judging by the names.
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It might take time to get used to one's accent so if I'm saying something particularly medical
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terms I would like you to be able to see the word, you know, spelled out on a slide
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or in paper so that there is no misunderstanding.
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Now I also understood from the introduction that we have a diverse group of people here
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so I need to perhaps warn people in advance.
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My slides are quite technical.
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So I guess if it's not, I believe we have enough doctors and scientists in a room to
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correct me if I'm saying something or to stop me or ask me additional questions but I apologize
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in advance to those of you who don't have the, you know, technical background and it
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might be, I might talk gibberish occasionally to you so that hopefully can be clarified when we
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come to questions.
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I have 15, 14, 15 slides and couple of questions so hopefully we go through all of them.
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I will try to share my screen and you will tell me if I, wait a second, screen two and I want
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just part of screen two. Will it let me do it? Let's try.
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Yes, it's time to share genetic vaccines in the immuno.
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Yes, prophylaxis. Okay, fantastic. Thank you for confirming. So the reason why I didn't share
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an entire screen is because I want to be able to move between tabs and so I want to leave part of
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my screen open but what I always say to my students at this point is that I have two screens.
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I'm going to be looking at a screen where I have my visual aid so I may struggle to keep
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track on, you know, people in your little screens so if you have questions please do interrupt me
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because I may not be able to see reactions. Well, what we do is we will listen to you
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and then when you finish we will, we're used to doing that and asking the questions at the end,
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okay? Okay, okay. So go for it. Okay, good. Right, so well just to make sure they're all on the same page
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the two main platforms which were used to create genetic vaccines for
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immunoprophylaxis of COVID-19 used in developed countries, in western world countries,
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were adenoviral platform and liposome mRNA platform. There were some other platforms used
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to a much lesser extent, for example protein-based Novavax or there is a large
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number, well we are talking billions of people who are also or at least hundreds of millions of
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people who are also injected with standard vaccines like coronavax. So I'm not talking
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about any of those, I'm talking today about genetic vaccines and more specifically about
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adenoviral platforms. So these are Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca and Covishield.
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These vaccines are similar in the type of technology but they are quite different in what
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viruses, what adenoviruses were used and I will spend a lot of my slides, a lot of my talk
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will be spent looking at difference between these viruses. But before I get to that point,
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before I dive into more details of what's the difference between adenovirus 26 used in Johnson
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and Johnson vaccine and Chad Oaks one used in AstraZeneca, before I go in there I'd like to
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do a short detour into adenoviruses as vectors or as platforms for drugs. If there are oncologists,
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doctors who are treating cancer patients in a room, they are most likely familiar with
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attempts to create oncolytic viruses and use oncolytic viruses to treat cancer.
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Well the treatment of or attempts to treat tumors with oncolytic viruses
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have never really gained widespread use. There are only few examples of these drugs being
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consistently used beyond the clinical trial or some small applications. One of them is in China
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and we don't have much data about it. I put a link on a slide which talks more about this vaccine
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because it's an example of commercially successful adenoviral based drug.
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There were fewer successes if any in Europe. There were some applications to approve attempts
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to register adenoviral drugs in Europe but you can easily verify it but it's easier to find
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an unsuccessful application than a successful. So this in some what I try to say with these two
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slides is that this platform has been like a promising platform for 25 years now and it's
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built trials for various diseases and several companies were trying to make it a commercial
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success and with not much breakthrough. One of the examples of a failed adenoviral vaccine for
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infection disease is a failed attempt to create a vaccine against a human immunodeficiency virus,
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HIV virus, which was led at the time by Dr. Anthony Fauci and these attempts resulted in
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clinical trial which generated data that showed what homosexual men who were given this vaccine
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were actually at higher risk of contracting a virus 18 months after the injection. So this paper
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is from 2014 and it's published in a high impact in a very reputable and widely read and cited
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journal science and so it's a negative data. It's not those of you who've published papers know what
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negative data is not always easy to get published so one of the reasons it got published is because
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they've suggested a mechanism of you know they felt in that paper that they found an explanation
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to this clinical failure so what will lead to improvement in the future. The observation they
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made is that men who had highest risk of contracting HIV 18 months after an injection
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were those who had high level of pre-existing adenovirus 5 antibodies. Now adenoviruses are
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human viruses, we encounter them, they are part of our ecosystem and majority of population would
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have experience is being infected with these viruses or at least encountering it and developing
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some sort of immune trace and so they found what in those people who had pre-existing antibodies
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against adenovirus 5 and they used this adenovirus to create this HIV vaccine they had highest risk
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of becoming infected. So the idea was but it's because we have these antibodies and these
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antibodies enhance them upon contact with the target virus these antibodies enhance their
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probability rather than lower it and as an approach to solve it several groups tried to
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change the protocol one of the groups which tried to change the protocol is a group
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led by professor Andrew Pollard and for those of you who are not in the UK he is the father
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of the AstraZeneca vaccine and one of the people who got I think knighthood for
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for developing this vaccine. Before the COVID-19 vaccine what they were working was vaccine against
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Ebola and this what they tried to do to overcome the problem of these pre-existing antibodies which
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will diminish the ability of the vaccine to generate response they tried to do a
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a hybrid protocol where first dose was human adenovirus and they used a different serotype
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adenovirus 26 it's a rarer serotype compared to adenovirus 5 and second dose a non-adenoviral
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vector so idea was what this will help to overcome the problem of pre-existing antibodies or
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or stimulating production of antibodies from memory cells in circulating in those individuals
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the clinical trial was briefly stopped due to serious neurological side effects in two
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participants and also there were fairly high side effects in general so systemic side effects
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were observed in 77 percent of the group versus 46 percent in placebo group and well non-systemic
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side effects the difference was even higher however as we are talking about Ebola which is
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a virus of which is a lot more dangerous pathogens and for example SARS-CoV-2
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it was concluded that the side effects don't warrant the stop of this trial and so the
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conclusion of this paper was to proceed to a third phase of clinical trial and this vaccine
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got emergency use authorization in July 2020 luckily we did not have any emergency related
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to Ebola yet and therefore this vaccine has not been used yet but these you know first five slides
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should have hopefully given you an idea but while this platform had been attractive or was perceived
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to be very attractive for a couple of decades there were no solid examples of success
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and the fact that these vectors this platform was pushed through with during the COVID-19
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pandemic and as a as a prophylaxis against SARS-CoV-2 infection it can only be really explained by this
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relaxation in how the approvals were made there is no solid or you know unequivocal data
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behind the development of this platform which would guarantee success of vaccines on these same
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adenoviruses I am giving you an example on this slide of adenoviral vaccines which are used in
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vaccination against COVID-19 vector five is a it's a vaccine which was developed in Russia
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it's a vaccine which was developed in Russia and because Russia had fairly strict COVID mandates
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at least 100 million people were getting this vaccine I don't know how many of them really
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got it or were able to you know get the certificate of vaccination without getting the injection
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but the fact that it's a large country with large population and majority of them were
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and they could only get vector five it was considered to be national pride or almost
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exclusively except for people who were traveling and some other things but it was almost exclusively
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vector five vector five is adenovirus 26 and second dose a human adenovirus 5 so 26 is a
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less prevalent stereotype and adenovirus 5 is a widespread phenotype which in case of that HIV
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vaccine failed due to most likely pre-existing antibodies this large-scale vaccination large
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scale injection did not result in lots of specific reports so there are clearly some reports on
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you know side effects and anecdotal reports on desk but there is no
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there is no data in open source which allows to scrutinize this vaccine comparative to the other
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vaccines and the only thing we can say is that human adenovirus 5 because it's a virus which
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naturally occurs and we encounter it in our life and we know quite a lot about it it has
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strong tropism for cup for cells these are microphages in the liver and adenoviral infection
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in clinical terms it has hepatotoxicity so one of the more severe manifestations is
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problems with which can be described as hepatotoxicity problems
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neutralizing antibodies against this particular
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serotype are in between 10 and 90 percent of the population and again I don't it there is no
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good data in ready available for most of the countries but this is what you can find in the
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literature the johnson and johnson vaccine is a high dose one dose of adenovirus 26 and again
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adenovirus 26 is a human virus and it has a wider tropism so it has this virus likes to infect or
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goes and infects tissues in kidney in brain and in lymphocytes so this is where a spike protein
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would be expressed if someone got infected got injected with johnson and johnson vaccine
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spike protein would be predominantly expressed in kidney brain and lymphocytes
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astrazeneca is a very different story we don't know
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how prevalent the antibodies against this virus in that part of earth where humans and chimpanzees
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share ecosystem but clearly in europe or in united states or in canada we don't have chimpanzees
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don't have chimpanzees living in a wild and so we don't have any natural way to be exposed absolute
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majority of us has no natural way to be exposed to this virus and the antibodies neutralizing
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antibodies would be barely present in the human population if at all and i don't have i don't have
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any data for this i don't i could not find anything published in relation to this but
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take into account what as a team which developed astrazeneca vaccine this is the same team of
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scientists who tried the other two adenoviruses and they did not get you know results weren't
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fantastic i think the rationale was what we will take a serotype which can infect human
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it can infect humans so it's a virus which is guaranteed to replicate in human cells
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and generate spike protein and generate immune response but there will be no
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um pre-existing antibodies in the population and therefore this vaccine would be more likely
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to provide this robust immunity against sars-cov-2 and not enhance the probability of
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um actually contracting the virus now this calculation uh unfortunately was wrong
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it's particularly clear in the uk data because unlike other countries united kingdom were
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first to approve astrazeneca and it was first uh anti-sars-cov-2 vaccine approved in the uk
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and this was the vaccine which was used at the start of drive to vaccinate and as a result
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almost half of uk population uh which received a vaccination were vaccinated with oxford astrazeneca
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vaccine at least the first dose and on the oxford uh in the research group uh which developed the
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vaccine proudly published data about 24 millions of people have received full um course which is
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two doses of astrazeneca because we had in our population a lot of people who would only had
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astrazeneca it was very obvious within first half a year that astrazeneca alone
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provides weak protection which quickly goes down so here if you look at these
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gray circles this is protection against omicron because while we had delta predominantly
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circulating astrazeneca was providing with some decent immunity but as soon as omicron came around
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this protection um became clearly inadequate and moreover within 20 weeks from vaccination
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if you've received two doses of astrazeneca you were actually more likely to contract
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sars-cov-2 if you compared to someone who did not receive any vaccination
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so despite the fact that this particular serotype was chimpanzee specific and humans would not have
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antibodies against the actual adenoviral vector unfortunately the observation was similar to the
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observation made by antony fauci nine years or eight years prior with hiv vaccine where after the
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injection sometime later 18 months in case of hiv half a year in case of sars-cov-2
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you lose any protection at and even moreover you become more susceptible to contracting a virus
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this I think is already quite dumb in itself because it's another example of failed
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adenoviral vector-based vaccine but and just one more slide I'll go quickly over this slide to move
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to more interesting stuff the same is so it's not it's not just a chimpanzee
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adenovirus human adenovirus you remember johnson and johnson used adenovirus serotype 26
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and it's a human backbone and this blue curve here shows what the protection afforded by
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afforded by johnson and johnson vaccine veins quite the veins quickly also the same about
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20-24 weeks this paper does not show what it goes into negative but we have data from some large
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cohort studies from nordic countries which confirm the observation made in uk with this
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vaccine enhances your chances to contract sars-cov-2 several months down the line now
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these observations this fact but this is not protecting from contracting sars-cov-2
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doctors recorded numerous instances of very unusual syndrome which they called vaccine-induced
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immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis vitt and doctors in a room will correct me if i'm wrong
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but from what i understood the reason why it's called vitt is because there is a similar
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clinically similar similar syndrome which developed on rare occasions by people who receive
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heparin therapy and it's heparin induced thrombocytopenia and thrombosis
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hitt or short abbreviation is h i t which inspired the name because clinical presentation was
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similar and it's the
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fast developing syndrome which is very dangerous particularly if
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thrombosis occurs in cerebral parts of the if in in cerebral tissues or cavities sorry more correct
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um description or correct term will be cerebral um not the tissue but in cavities or in vessels
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now this um thrombosis with thrombocytopenia
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was described as something what occurs pretty much once per half a million people
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now again i just don't it's definitely more not my area of expertise i don't know how prevalent is
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the use of heparin and you know whether it's something so rare with no doctor in this room
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ever encountered h i t t i don't know whether it's something what you know everyone encountered but
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the data i found what this syndrome before start of vaccination with astrazeneca vaccine
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or the prevalence was one case for 400 000 people
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well with astrazeneca particularly for people under 50 years the estimate stands at about one
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case per 25 000 doses we know and i'm sure you've discussed it in this room many times
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how under reported the vaccine injuries are so this is just the official data i i don't think
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anyone can know full picture of full prevalence but official data is 21 per 25 000 doses
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now most of the time it occurs after first dose and most of the time the syndrome develops within
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days or first couple of weeks after first dose the mortality diagnosis is 22 percent as described
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in this paper and i have a link to a paper here and if it's a cerebral thrombosis and the risk of
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death increases significantly in the uk there were a couple of high profile cases including
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one popular and fairly young bbc presenter whose death due to astrazeneca vaccination
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made it to front pages and already in april 2021
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in here in the uk this vaccine was no longer offered to anyone under age of 30
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and by may 2021 this vaccine was not offered to anyone under age of 40 and pretty much
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they stopped offering it because of the way the vaccination was organized elder people were
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vaccinated first and so by the time you know by may june it would be that age category which would
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be under 30 under 40 who will be in line to get vaccinated but they were it was no longer they
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were no longer offered this vaccine unless it's stated in guidelines guidelines there is no
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alternative so if there is no other vaccine present in that vaccination clinic then we will
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administer astrazeneca otherwise priority were given to phaser or moderna simultaneously doctors
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and scientists were looking at the molecular mechanism of this vitt and as i mentioned already
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because it clinically was very similar to hitt clinicians started to look for antibodies against
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platelet factor 4 because that was a well-known well-described mechanism of hitt now one of the
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things which is important to stress is that these antibodies which are characteristic for hitt
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are not the same as autoimmune antibodies which are characteristic for vitt and what i'm trying
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to say is this paper which is a paper from the uk and it's looking at the natural history of this
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vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis and what they say here is what
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many laboratories in the country
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converted their assays which were used to diagnose hitt or hitt to a certain immunosay
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which are not sensitive to the itt cases so you know unless you knew to send it somewhere
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where we will be looking at the specific antibodies just screening with a readily
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available test for antibodies against platelet factor 4 in complex with heparin would give you
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negative it it you know it might be clinically presented as thrombocytopenia with thrombosis
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but it won't be classed as vaccine-induced because there will be no pf4 antibodies detected
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and a lot of it can be probably explained by the fact that most laboratories used a test which
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would miss these antibodies now going back to the
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the understanding of molecular mechanism
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this idea of antibodies autoimmune antibodies against platelet factor 4 so platelet factor 4
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is crucial for blood clotting it's naturally occurring in our plasma and indeed out antibodies
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against these factors this protein factor is very bad news and if in case of heparin-induced
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antibodies we know what the reason why they develop is because heparin forms a complex
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with platelet factor 4 and this complex is an unusual substance for our immune system so when
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it's not recognized as self so pf4 platelet factor 4 even so it's been synthesized by our
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bodies but in complex with heparin it's no longer recognized as our natural molecule it's recognized
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as something foreign and that's why antibodies are developed to it but they are in fact auto
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antibodies autoimmune antibodies because pf4 is still human our own it just because of the complex
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where it's mistakes our immune system is mistaken and early on when we discussed
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this in similar groups people were floating an idea but it's probably complex you know of pf4
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with something related to this astrazeneca vaccine and fairly soon december 2021
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there were already first publications characterizing this particular complex of
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platelet factor 4 with that something in astrazeneca vaccine well this paper looked at all three
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adenoviruses deployed as vaccination vectors so i've mentioned them previously adenovirus
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serotype 5 adenovirus serotype 26 and adenovirus which is this chimpanzee chard ox1 and they saw what
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uh some uh so with these three adenoviruses they're very different and characteristic of
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the surface and here is where it's probably my most technical slide so i hope i can have at least
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you know some of you staying with me on this slide and please do ask me questions after so this is
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the rendering of the icosahedron so that's the adenoviral particle this is one adenovirus here
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and this is a rendering of its surface and this is a colored representation of how different proteins
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form this capsid this surface now these
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elements then form that they are formed out of these individual building blocks and here is a
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individual building block of astrazeneca vaccine and this is individual building block of johnson
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and johnson vaccine and also a first dose in russian vector 5 vaccine what it shows here is a
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charge on the surface and you can see by color intensity difference in color intensity what
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these two proteins they have different surface charge electric charge and what it results is
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that if you look at this red dots here red dots here represent platelet factor four so platelet
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factor four will barely recognize adenovirus which is adenovirus stereotype 26 that's our normal
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human adenovirus but they will recognize and bind to a protein this capsid protein of the
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astrazeneca adenovirus it's because this astrazeneca adenovirus has the most negative charge
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and and platelet factor four has strong electropositive surface potential so they're
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drawn to one another naturally and this complex of adenovirus vector which is injected straight
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into well it's injected into a muscle but it easily gets into bloodstream indeed
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indeed and this is where it encounters platelet factor four and then this complex is formed
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and this complex on a in essence is similar to that heparin platelet factor complex which induces
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autoimmune antibodies and the fact what human virus doesn't do it is probably an illustration
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of you know i i'm sorry to say but i think you know big oxford brains were not able to outsmart
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evolution this virus has evolved to live with us without causing deadly syndromes but this one was
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forcibly brought into human population through injection and with no human body would have no
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chance to build defense against it because it's like an introduction of novel pathogen we don't
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have defenses against it we have not co-evolved with this virus it's it can cause deadly effect
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approximately the same time there were some articles because everyone at the time everyone
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was trying to figure what's happening with this vi tt it was a hot topic for publications and
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you know a lot of publications were at the time biased towards everything to do with covid and
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covid vaccines and other topics were very difficult to publish so there were lots and lots of groups
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looking into it and one of these groups is this i have this paper here it's it's greek group and
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what they found is that 67 percent of people who were injected with AstraZeneca have developed
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these anti-pf4 antibodies well the prevalence of these antibodies after vaccination
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it can be disputed by others because if you look at what you know if you look at other publications
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like this publication looks at this pf platelet active pf4 antibodies and it finds them in 11
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eight percent of people injected with AstraZeneca but we also say what five and a half percent of
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people injected with Pfizer would also have it so basically this paper argues what it's not it is
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specific more specific to AstraZeneca but it's not something what is only predominantly result of
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AstraZeneca injections and this paper finds what anti-pf4 antibodies were present in between 18 and
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26 percent of people injected with AstraZeneca so despite huge amount of publications on
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AstraZeneca i struggle to find you know systemic large studies and observations worry however
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all of them indicate what risk of developing pf4 antibodies is higher if you were injected with
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AstraZeneca as compared to when you weren't ejected at all or if you were injected with a mRNA based
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vaccine is that a question or would you like to hold your hand until the end
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we'll wait till the end and you keep going okay okay thank you right i only have couple of slides
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more we are almost there and another reason which i think i'm pretty sure you've discussed
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in this room many times is that we have questions regarding the reports of side effects during the
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clinical trial and we have questions i mentioned already one problem with that method which is
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used in majority of nhs diagnostic labs to detect the platelet factor four antibodies which would
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not pick up antibodies if they were detect if they were developed as a result of AstraZeneca
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vaccination but you all i'm sure you all know Brie's story from AstraZeneca trial and there
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are reasons to suspect what people who developed severe side effects after first dose were excluded
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from trial on some well without explanation on some explanations which are not related to the
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actual side effects now i just wanted to so that that's last slide but i wanted to go to this
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paper here just before before i wrap up is this paper says what they've used standard method to
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detect platelet factor nine heparin antibodies and modified
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antibodies and what we said what what this paper says is what we were able to
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detect some signal even with this unspecific method so i guess what it tells us is that
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depending on the level of your response because i think the sensitivity of this
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method would be impaired if it was looking only for antibodies against platelet factor nine
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heparin version of this autoimmunity and and even if if you are unlucky you know if the person i
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stopped sharing so what i can see you now and if you are unlucky to develop very high level
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of these antibodies you are then you will end up in this that's the person would end up in these
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papers but i guess until we have large scale studies which would look at
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uh seroconversion after vaccination for antibodies against pf4 and chad oxone complex until we have
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these studies we can just say well it's anything between eight percent and 67 percent in population
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and so the people who and and we also don't know what additional factors influence
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someone's propensity to develop a very severe syndrome if we say let's half half of those
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injected would have developed antibodies what are those additional factors which increase someone
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someone's chance of developing full-blown vi tt where it's very little about it if anything at
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all and i've been trying to keep up with the literature so i think it's just due to lack of
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studies but we don't have this information so that's all i had prepared for today well tanya
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thank you for that now because we've only got you for a few more minutes so steven if you take 15
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minutes we've only got so so a couple of questions i suggest steven and jerry's got his hand up
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so tanya this is so important is it possible for you to give us a little bit more time for the
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questions i if you if can you can you bear with me i'll turn my camera off and i will
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oh you you muted yourself to my children sorry i'll turn my camera off and go speak to my children
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and try to bargain for yeah bargain with kids jerry jerry will know how to do that bargaining
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with kids i've got i've got five who did we work out got the most children in this group
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steven i've got five who's got more than me um bertrand russell had six four four
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he's not alive the two jerry's up there we got four bertrand had never on this call steven how
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many have you got three three yeah well three oh no julie very good julie how many of you got
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two very good okay we have to bargain we have to bargain with kids now just while we're waiting
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for tanya i have subscribed to the washington times at a dollar a month everybody for six months first
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six months so you'll soon see whether it's worth it worth it but i'm enjoying reading the physical
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version of it 25 cents a week um i consider to be a good value and supporting the physical version
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charles how have they got that to you so quickly it's on the um on online the
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literally the physical newspaper you can flick through it's excellent
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all right okay so it's not you can't touch it though charles you look at it yeah correct it's
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all digital yeah yeah but but it's the whole experience of reading newspapers which is
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which is very good so they've got a good system
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so anyway i reckon i recommend it and that's how is tanya how did you go with your
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negotiation tanya uh quarter is it okay if i stand till quarter past and and they all
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they also got permission to uh if i'm desperate to come in i have uh you know i have virtual
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background so hopefully they won't distract you if if they're desperate to talk to me very good
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all right steven let's go to has you go first steven and we'll be we'll be tight with our questions
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so essentially tanya you tell a story i'm not saying this is your interpretation but it's my
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interpretation you tell a story of the uh british government playing god is that right i i think
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it's not government uh well i politicians is a of course a whole different problem but i think
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the root of the problem here is uh actually scientists who did not get enough checks and
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you know balances and steamrolled yeah and they're just steamrolled and and hailed us uh you know
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savers and so i think the root of it is what you know i i told you it's this hubris of big brains
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where they so human hubris in oxford yes in particular and who is also yes pollard pollard
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yes his his uh group um so can you think of any reason why pollard should have been uh awarded an
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knighthood on this performance well the official would get the sack for this isn't it most people
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will get the sack for this but he got a knighthood this is uh well i don't think we need to i i think
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we are pretty much on the same page uh on this i don't i don't know how much we need to discuss it
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just but uh you know i think for me um i'm taking part in these discussions for uh you know
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uh two and a half years now even more uh because uh i believe but we need to keep brainstorming and
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we need to keep trying at least try to create some record of alternative interpretations or
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requests for additional studies or you know something perhaps not for this time but for
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later when people will want to look into it and will have genuine desire to understand what happened
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and and what lessons can be learned yes so um tanya you mentioned the other day on the uk
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doctors group um so you're not a doctor i'm just clarifying for the audience so you're not a
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medical doctor but you are a phd doctor um so you said that they decided in the uk
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to take away uh the recommendation for people under 30 in was that april 2021
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7th of april 2021 is when this vaccine stopped being recommended for anyone under 30
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and within a month they said they decided to take it away for those under 40 it was the wrong way
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around in a way because the under 40s got vaccinated during that month in april um yes okay
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and the under 30s presumably wouldn't have got vaccinated do you understand so they've actually
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made two mistakes there yeah so um but then miraculously so essentially that was the end
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of astrazeneca and then um the british government thought it was a good idea to get rid of their
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stock which had accumulated because of for all the wrong reasons and they sold it to third world
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country is that right or third world countries in the plural uh you know there is several uh
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sub-stuck and a conservative woman and trial site news articles on this topic and i recommend to read
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sonia elijah's investigation on this topic and from her publications it looks like uh
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the not just the remanence talk but also you know the uh because they were geared towards production
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and so this was shifted towards third world countries but how is that morally how is that
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morally how can you defend that morally not you but how can anyone say uh well well um i can i can
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tell you the um yeah instead of destroying they donated to the world but you see i don't think uh
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they were ready to admit what it's something would uh um deserves to be destroyed that's that's the
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thing um and i think this is criminal tanya this is criminal activity it's clearly a criminal isn't
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it to to decide that the british population should not get a vaccination for people under 30 then
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under 40 and then to say okay we're going to sell it to someone else and probably market it as well
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i i'm not defending um you know british government's decisions uh just by default but to
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uh explain the logic between under 30s first and under 40s later uh is pretty straightforward
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logic and i don't think uh it was just a mistake it just younger people had a lot less risk of
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developing severe disease so for them um benefit risk ratio would be particularly unfavorable
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that's why when they were still thinking what prevalence of vi tt is about one in hundred
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thousand one in sixty thousand we felt what for anyone under 30 that's my explanation what
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happens and we felt what anyone under 30 would run a risk of uh you know contracting something
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severe with vaccination which is higher than contracting a virus at that time because it was
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already um time when we you know delta yes but tanya from your statement steven we can you
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haven't got you haven't got 15 minutes today well i'm sorry this is very important charles
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everything you say is important from your presentation tanya um you said
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now i've lost it charles so very good thank you i've finished thank you jerry waters then jerry
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brady and then yeah uh tanya thank you that was a brilliant presentation i as a gp i i i was a gp
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for 40 years i was struck off three years ago for refusing to go along with the covet hopes and that
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that was a brilliant uh presentation and i understood pretty much every word of it so
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if you got to a gp you got to pretty much every doctor so thank you for that um i there's a number
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of points i'd like to bring up there are quite a number of people on this very forum who disagree
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with the very existence of a virus there's a number of people who say a virus doesn't exist
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now you seem to waste the last 26 years of your your life as a viral pathogenist pathogenist as a
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molecular biologist um with your ridiculous belief that a virus exists i happen to believe
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that a virus exists but there's quite a number of people who have discussions on this very forum
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saying viruses don't exist could you possibly you know confirm as far as you're concerned
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after 26 years do viruses exist or not well in in these last three years i've been talking to
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a huge number of people who uh who don't believe in viruses and i think i've developed this sort of
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disclaimer when i say you know there is no point in trying to waste our time on trying to argue
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this can we talk about something what can we talk about something what unites us so if say you
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believe what this is just uh some sort of toxin which was injected if that's what your preferred
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interpretation i'm fine with it because it is ended up to be a toxin for at least some people
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but uh yeah obviously i mean it's a rhetorical question for me yeah you're more diplomatic than
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i am obviously but from my point of view viruses exist fundamentally from my experience of 40
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winters of of seeing people coming in sneezing and coughing and then me picking it up and then
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bringing it home to my children so there is some some vector there is some infective organism that
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i actually managed to pick up and bring home to my wife and children that to me is good enough for
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a virus can i just ask you as well what did you think of the pathogenicity of the sars-cov virus
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initially was was there a pathogenicity well i've always said that from a gp from somebody
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working on the on the front line that there was no pathogenicity worthy of the lockdowns worthy of
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of the the whole pandemic and definitely not worthy of trading with a a a vaccine even though
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i'd rejected it was ever a vaccine it was ever intended as a vaccine so that's the other thing
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is the other thing i'd ask you could you comment on the usefulness of the pcr test and whether
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quite apart from it being cycled you know 15 20 times more than it was recommended to cycle
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so you know given that the whole pathogenicity of and deaths and cures and everything of
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covid are based on the diagnosis of covid by virtue of the pcr test could you just give us
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a comment on that please and thank you well it's quite far from the topic of my today's
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presentation because i think a discussion of pcr usefulness in diagnosis is it warrants a
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more in-depth discussion so you know the simplified version of it when people say pcr is useless or
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you can amplify anything you like or you cannot do you cannot do a test if you run over 25 cycles
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whereas there is some kernel of truth in all these statements if you look into it and more
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in depth and more holistically the biggest problem with how it was used in majority of the western
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countries is not what it was run to 40 cycles we always run qpcr to 40 cycles in a lab but it's
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what it was used as a standalone indication with no clinical representation
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and it and it was basically computer says yes or no and of course the huge in my opinion waste of
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resources well uk wasted 39 billions on track and trace so that is more in my opinion this is
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bigger problems and there were several different pcr tests and the one which was used in the uk
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was not the worst in terms of detecting pathogen but it's how it was applied because it was not
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we didn't use here drosten test drosten test developed in germany by was by far the worst
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example of you know high background and not not adequate specificity but it's always just in any
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state again sorry the guy who invented it the guy that pushed it was less than savory to say the
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least in the uk absolute majority of diagnostic laboratories use different tests so you know a
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lot of this discussion is oversimplified and you know distorted and black and white and it makes it
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easier to attack people who are critical about the response to cove it 19 or critical of government
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policy because people do tend to make claims which show what we probably don't really know in depth
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what we're talking about so i wouldn't be you know as categorical as saying our pcr test was useless
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it just we do use pcr for diagnosis of viral pathogens but as part a complex
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uh you know element of a complex measure and as i say the biggest problem in my opinion is
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huge waste of resources and also what we sidelined national committee for screening
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this population of screening has always been subject to not only cost efficiency analysis
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but also ethical analysis and this was all sidelined and put aside and circumvent and
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very people you know very mainstream people who were quite keen to get vaccinated so they were
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not contrarians but these professors who were on that committee for national screening were the
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first mainstream people here in the uk to say but you cannot just do it this way you cannot throw
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out of the window 40 years of development of a special selection process for whether certain
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test makes it into screening program or not so the problem with pcr is not pcr itself but how it was
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used how it was streamrolled how it was um just uh forced down everyone's throat and was used as a
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final say in whether you are infected or not and and that's that's where i think more useful
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discussion is to be held thank you i i would disagree with you i would disagree with you i
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we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna jerry we're trying to get on yeah thank you thank you very
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much thank you all right next jerry oh i tell you thanks for coming today just two questions
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um and they're related the first is on your graphs where you show the drop off of
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of uh vaccine effectiveness for over 20 weeks with the astrazeneca vaccine i presume that your
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vaccine effectiveness number on the on the on the scale is antibody persistence am i correct
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uh so the study on uh u.s veterans was actually a symptomatic disease and death
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so the graph you showed on the drop off of effectiveness on vaccine effectiveness you
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showed the drop off for the astrazeneca versus the Pfizer over 20 weeks and yes yes that was
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antibody persistence um well it's pcr so it's uh i'm just checking i'm making sure my uh what
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i'm saying is correct so forgive me i am looking sideways on that graph no it's pcr positivity so
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the graph i showed because it's just one of the graphs there are several graphs in that paper
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and link is on my slide the graph i showed is a graph for pcr positivity which uh well we just
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talked about pcr so it doesn't mean person is necessarily ill but whether pcr positive
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i don't think we're talking about the same graph sorry i'm going to share it back i'm going to
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share it back in case uh yeah not that one the previous the previous one the uk uk one
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uk one yeah that one there that's the one yeah oh that's also no that's also pcr positivity
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uk used pcr positivity as the only surrogate point well not only uh for for this particular
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one because this was a surveillance study they were also recording some symptoms
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but you could have been referred to the test if you were symptomatic but you had exposure
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as you know so this graph here does not necessarily include people who had any symptoms
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it includes anyone who was deemed to be pcr positive and i i agree with what dr water said
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about the use of pcr test as you know but it was pushed to a limit so this but this is pcr positivity
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if you have it could you put in the chat the link to those graphs the the paper so i can have a read
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i need to look at this uh yeah if you can no absolutely i'm doing it straight away thank you
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and this is on my slides oh yes and the second thing is in regard to relative risk reduction
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versus absolute risk reduction and how and how this is used as a way of promoting vaccines
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when they have very low absolute risk reduction on a population basis
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um do you have anything any comment to make on on that subject
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i think uh again they are most likely absolutely on the same page here the
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absolute risk reduction was minute for absolute majority of population and in autumn 2020
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i was showing my students papers by professor ianidis ianidis who showed the
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you know risk for anyone under age of 70 below single digits right it's like the fraction of a
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percent and i remember showing it to my 20 years old biomedical science course students who were
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afraid of getting on a train because they were so petrified these young people were so petrified
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they were so you know that the whole atmosphere of fear uh was really enormous it was huge strain
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on their um young brains so that you know it was in 2020 this is a huge just sorry a huge subject
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i agree with everything you said this is a huge subject which has been pushed aside but the whole
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world of um vaccine development and the scientific world behind that seemed seemed to be blind to
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this distinction and from a doctor's viewpoint a clinical doctor this is the most important thing
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of all but they persist with this relative risk reduction numbers and it's disingenuous um it
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doesn't give people the right information um so i'm glad to hear that you agree it's
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disgraceful um i mean john ianidis spoke very strongly about this in the early 2020 um and we
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had the numbers for the diamond princess in february 2020 i mean all of this should not
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have happened um so i think this relative risk reduction absolute risk reduction issue is huge
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and needs to be brought to the attention of of the scientific community because they seem blind
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to it they're not the militians they don't think in terms of population basis i don't think so uh
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thank you for commenting and i just see that you put that paper up oh thank you i'll look at the
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paper all right very much thank you jerry tanya what is your yes just gonna pick what i wanted
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you can you have the last question steven um tanya did you put your website you mentioned your
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website did you put your website link into the chat yet no i don't have a website sorry if i if
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i said but i i can absolutely email my slides to you or to steven if there is a way for you to
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circulate it if you email that we can share that we can share that with people beautiful all right
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steven last questions to you and then we'll let tanya go thank you so tanya i hope you will forgive
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me for being excited um and i'm sorry charles for criticizing your moderation but uh i am absolutely
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outraged by what has happened in my country and and this is what happens when scientists think
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that they can practice medicine so i think that doctors all around the world every doctor in the
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world should have known that there was no medical justification for any of the measures taken in a
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purported pandemic which was not a pandemic furthermore the diagnosis of covet 19 was not
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appropriate appropriately arrived at it was flawed in my opinion there is a real possibility
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that there was no disease called covet 19 so what was it that the british population the british
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20 year olds that students you were taught teaching to why were they psychologically tortured
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by the british government ruthlessly ruthlessly why was that i know you can't answer but all i'm
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trying to say tanya is that we have been working on this for the last four years many of us here
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and so um when people come on and they say and not don't want to say that this is criminal
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of course it's criminal of course it's criminal it was happening all over the world at the same time
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it was clearly planned so furthermore uh just to explain the diagnostic bit the pcr test we knew
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from kerry mullis who unfortunately died in august 2019 we need to find out how he died
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um he said that the pcr test the technique sorry for which he won the Nobel prize
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in chemistry in 1993 for his discovery of the pcr technique in sorry uh yes development of that
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technique in 1983 by him he said that his technique should never be used as a diagnostic test for a
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viral illness but that's if you believe in viruses and then next thing he's dead uh he was dead in
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august 2019 had he been alive this could not have proceeded so the whole thing was a fabricate a
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tissue of lies from beginning to end and they psychologically tortured especially the british
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population um with the the uh the nudge group you know the nudge group into a state of stockholm
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syndrome in my opinion as a doctor and so it's unforgivable and then you the the the astrazeneca
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we listened to you talking your presentation it was clear to me that the real reason for the for
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the british government to say in april 2021 no one under 30 should be offered this vaccination
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in inverted commas and then in may 2021 no one under 40 it was clear that the real reason for that
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was not about whether they were less at risk it was they knew then that it was dangerous and what
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did they do they thought oh we must get rid of this stock because otherwise we'll be criticized
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by the british public or whatever and sell it to someone so they sold what was dangerous to a third
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world country that is outrageous that is the icing on the cake of this human hubris this story
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of human hubris i'm sorry that's that's all and thank you so much tanya for coming on i do think
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we should have if you're agreeable we would love to have you again to explore this with the doctors
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to talk about it because we need to be in a position that never again do medical doctors
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with medical ethics get circumvented and stopped from speaking out in a so-called medical emergency
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which was not a medical emergency in my opinion okay it's not your fault tanya i'm just very
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angry about it i'm sorry i i i appreciate uh it impacted many of us i appreciate the passion and
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pain which many people feel it just i think uh we are scientific well uh i speak for myself i am
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not a doctor i am scientist so the best i can do is to try to analyze the situation and data and
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try to influence what sort of conclusions are drawn and i think i'm not sorry sorry may i may i
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finish and i think it's not um and i uh and you might uh you know withdraw your invitation after
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i finish but i would i would like to finish by saying but i don't think it's particularly helpful
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to just go over the things which have been done to death in these circles you know for three years
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we are talking same talking points we have the brains we have the knowledge we have the ability
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to look at the data the best use of our time is by trying to provide some interpretation or ways of
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explaining it better or you know and i don't find it particularly useful to agree with you
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and i mean and claim what governments are criminal and yes it's not it's not gonna help
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it's not gonna help people need to be held to account all right because tanya has to go the last
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question i'm gonna ask tanya are you available tanya for those around the world
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who may wish to use your expertise in court cases
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this is tricky i i would love to say yes but i've already worked on
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expert testimonies and it's huge amount of time and i just don't want to commit to something i
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won't be able to deliver but depending on a case but we've written an expert testimony with dr
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expert testimony with dr claire craig who i'm know i'm sure you all know she must have been in
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this room on on many occasions so that's the answer is i would love to help where i because i think
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steven but uh court cases like the one in the uk where the climate claims that astrazeneca vaccine
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was defective and that's why the waiver of liability provided by government does not apply
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because it was provided on a basis what vaccine is as described and they are claiming what vaccine
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is defective and i think this is uh this is something what in my opinion worth pursuing
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like looking into why we think it was defective uh was it because there was a stereotype which
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was particularly dangerous to humans and humans have never been exposed to it and clinical trial
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did not pick it up so at the end yes it ended up being defective so this is where i think i would
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be really happy to try and contribute wonderful tanya that's very that's very helpful and lastly
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when i started university many many years ago tanya i fell in love with a ukrainian librarian
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at the law school her name her name was krisko ending in ko and my name started with ko so there
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i was so having this ukrainian influence all through my adult life so lovely to be with you
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steven thank you for organizing tanya we would love to have you back because we like to have
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vigorous debates here and and um thank you so much and thank you for giving us extra half hour
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and say thank you to your children for us as well thank you thank you thank you thank you for all
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you do thank you for your stamina and your persistence and people in different time zones
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i admire you thank you very much okay bye thank you thank you thank you tanya
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all right um so my so we'll leave the recording on now because tanya has gone so we can have
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put your hand up for commentary and if you want me to pause the recording because you don't want
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this to be shown in the recording just say pause the recording if you want to talk about something
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that might be sensitive uh jerome i spoke to ian plimert last night i was with him last night and
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i've linked you two together so so i i expect you to to do some pretty clever stuff and for those
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of you who weren't on the call on on sunday night uh jerome coursey and i have both got this wonderful
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book about the fraud of climate emergency green murder by where's your book jaron there it is you
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see this is a wonderful wonderful book on the fraud of climate emergency so um it's it's a
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great book and i i got your email it's been a busy day but i was just in the process of responding
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when i thought well that the that's why i decided to come on do they remember you were meeting so i
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was just responding to you when i came on this came on the zoom i will respond later today and
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i'm very anxious to get to meet him and to start working with him it would be great
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he's brilliant his work is just brilliant he is it is indeed so so the mainstream media of course
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in australia has silenced ian plimer because he dares to question the climate emergency
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well the uh the you know just to do one sentence from him it's the whole book is
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so magnificent in terms of uh you know debunking this climate scare said if activism achieves its
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aims the third world will remain in poverty western countries will become impoverished
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and even more reliant on china which uses climate change as a weapon against the west
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and uh he just goes on from there many green leaders have an unhealthy obsession with death
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killing catastrophes totalitarianism and restrictions of freedom and i've said it's a
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depopulationist movement it's neo-marxist at its core and i'm delighted to be connected with him
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thank you very much excellent thank you jaron all right so so thank you jaron that's excellent now
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all of us um hands up and we'll as i say if you want to pause the recording please say
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um steven no just leave it running chance and then we can always cut it out the q a afterwards
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yeah all right jerry first then simon i just wanted to revisit um steven's point that doctors
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don't practice science and so i said that because doctor yeah exactly i agree with you jerry sorry
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i'm changing it a little bit so doctors don't practice science and scientists don't practice
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medicine this is really important we haven't become infected as a community as a society
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into thinking that scientism is science and we've also become infected with the idea that medicine
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makes all its decisions based upon science it doesn't it cannot do that and i always give the
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best example of many surgical techniques almost all surgical techniques have not been subjected
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to any scientific examination there are no clinical double blind trials you don't run a
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surgical procedure with a blind surgeon compared to a surgeon procedure who has who has vision
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you don't uh you don't uh look at not treating people with severe surgically correctable
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conditions we we practice medicine very very pragmatically when we confronted with the threat
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of many many many conditions you can't run clinical trials against the vast amount of
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medical practice you just can't do it we are practitioners of medicine and we're very similar
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to a carpenter so when a carpenter is a building a house he's been taught from his trade how to
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build a house when he comes to build a certain piece of the house he doesn't go off and consult
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a whole lot of clinical trials about building the corner of the house in this way versus that way
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and no no he just thinks i'll try it this way and oh it looks good and it works well and the
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profession of carpentry has always done it this way for hundreds of years this is very similar
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to medicine and what in medicine in medicine we have the added extra we have to do what we do
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ethically the ethics in carpentry there's no great consideration of ethics to build a corner of a
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house but in medicine everything we do is ethically constrained we have to always consider that we are
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far more ethically constrained than we are scientifically constrained people have to
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understand that okay so this confusion now has been i think deliberate to destroy
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faith in the medical profession and it's been very very successful
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any comments on that from anyone jerry you're absolutely right on i wish i could say it so
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calmly myself but as i can imagine that you felt exactly as i did listening to that tanya is a very
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good uh very very nice person but it's very difficult to listen to a scientist who doesn't
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understand the practice of medicine when we've just gone through a pandemic which was not a pandemic
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and people have been psychologically tortured all over the world i think she does understand it but
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she wants to stay in her lane of being a scientist which i think is good i think it's very important
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for her to stay in her lane and be the scientist and not and not to extend that into the world of
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of the population where where we work or we i used to work with you used to work we used to
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work with the whole population we don't work with a small group who turn up we will we we have to
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look after the whole population everything we do has to be ethically constrained in terms of
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anyone who can walk into our office and we're thinking of the entire population all the time
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we can't run so we can't run experiments on our patients although sometimes we have to
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but generally speaking we avoid experimenting on our patients we don't do that so therefore we're
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not scientists by definition we're not using experimentation okay so uh this is very important
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to discuss because if you destroy the medical profession um you destroy the group that our
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society goes to when they're suffering serious conditions illness ill health and death and
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you're really destroying your society when you do that so i'm a great supporter of the of the
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medical profession but they've also lost their way in all of this they've been misled they've
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lost their way i'm very disappointed in my profession now very uh but i'm nearly 20 years
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out of it of course retired 20 almost 20 years ago but these these important these are very
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important things we can't maintain a civil society uh if this continues we have to have these
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discussions and they have to be public we have to publicly discuss these jerome i think could
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contribute publicly to this discussion um but i'll i'll that's i just very i remember you saying to
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me i said remember you saying to me in 2021 i think it was in those dark days you said one thing
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i can do um i can't remember the exact words but one thing i can do is talk to people and i knew
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exactly what you meant because that goes to the very heart of the practice of medicine you have
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to get a good history and people who have not been to medical school do not understand the importance
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of a of a good medical history it's absolutely vital you cannot get a good medical history if
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you can't talk to the patient and yes there are some people in medical school who should never
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got in but uh hopefully but mind you having looking around in the uk over the last four years i do
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wonder how how it is that uh there are so few uh real doctors around because goodness knows what
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they were thinking about with no informed consent for any of these injections um nobody knew what
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was in the injection so it was impossible for any doctor to obtain informed consent i agree steven
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the whole three years has been absolutely disgraceful in terms of the behavior of the
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medical profession the leadership has been uh absolutely disgraceful terrible i'm just so
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disappointed in what's happened and we've had chief health officers say things which are just
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completely anathema to what it means to be a doctor and they've never came out and explained risk
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to people uh informed them fully no nothing i can't believe what's happened it's uh clearly
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clearly constructed to destroy our whole civil society not just the profession but the whole
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of civil society here i think is at risk yes so if they've got no doctors to go to then people
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will be really consumed by fear no doctors they can trust correct and even i'm dealing with myself
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i'm dealing with that problem every day now steven i'm having people contact me
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who and tell me stories about what's happened in consulting rooms i am just staggered staggered i
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am rendered speechless when these people call me and tell me what has happened to them doctors
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treating them like as if if they're idiots i mean it's just horrible what's going on it can't
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continue we have to open up that discussion this discussion of you know where is the trust
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in our medical profession if we don't have that we have no civil society and um we've now got
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free speech under attack we've got freedom of medical autonomy under attack um our whole civil
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society is crumbling around us right now we have to fight every day to preserve it every day yeah
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absolutely jerry i'll wait so anymore yeah sorry jerry i'll just say this that um i've always felt
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that you um uh you you seem to have had a similar training to me and i would be very happy to be one
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of your patients i've always thought you're a wonderful talker and very wise and thoughtful
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and these are the qualities which a doctor should have it's good judgment more than anything else
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applying the knowledge which you've been given at medical school um and questioning some of that
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knowledge maybe especially after the last four years but but actually um it's it's no use having
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the knowledge if you're not able to apply the knowledge in an ethical way and of course they
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can't do it ethically because they've got evidence-based medicine which creates a kind
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of monstrosity a monster uh of its own which actually ignores medical ethics you know because
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every doctor has to do the same thing which is ridiculous if i can comments excellent comments
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if i comment just quickly and jerry i did get your email and greatly appreciated it i've responded
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um in the united states the fifth district uh court of appeals just rendered a decision on the
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fda the fda had um really trying to prohibit the uh prescription of hydroxychloroquine for covid
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because they wanted to favor the more expensive vaccines and it didn't want this simple remedy
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what the district with the circuit court said was that the fda had overstepped its responsibilities
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and it's an authorization because it was not in the business of telling doctors what they could
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or could not do but the and they specifically said it was aimed at eliminating off-label
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prescriptions in other words the doctor has the ability to take any fda approved drug and apply it
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to any patient for any particular need that the doctor thinks is appropriate now that's the way
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medicine should be practiced it's in line with your completely correct comments that medicine
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is a practice of medicine and requires the judgment and experience of the physician as well
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as the honesty and the history of the patient but it is a judgment call it is a in part intuitive
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determination of what needs to be done what the government wants to do is to make it strictly
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rule driven it can only prescribe what the computer tells you to prescribe in which case we do not
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need physicians a machine could do this and in fact i think the entire dehumanization
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of medicine is pivotal on this point and we need to go back to you know the physicians who knew
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your who knew your mother and father who knew your grandparents and could take one look at you and
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have a good idea where you were and we need to return with the technology we have we should be
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able to allow people to access physicians from wherever they are and have continuity with them
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and this should be returned to the the doctor in charge of medical practice not the government
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and i i think this entire discussion is appropriate and very important i think it's the crux of the
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totalitarianism we're battling every day so i thank you for those comments jerry it is and
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you just mentioned transhumanism it's all linked to transhumanism and then ultimately to technocracy
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technocratic transhumanism is at the very core of this and i want you all everybody on this call
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to go and research a company called technocracy incorporated look at its origins and look very
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carefully at what happened in canada i won't say any more that was in 1931 to 1933 and the influence
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of technocracy incorporated upon the world of nazi germany at the time this is that this is the
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beginnings of what we're dealing with now is the idea that humans can be regarded as nothing but
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machines disposable machines that's what we're dealing with technocracy linked to transhumanism
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linked to the whole movement of eugenics so we're dealing with this all now it's a hundred years old
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the battle is a the battle is a hundred years old i agree with you jerry sorry i've taken too much
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time i'm sorry no it's very important that you say what you've been saying and please stay with
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us no it's a i think it's a i think it's a good conversation because it's it's really bringing
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these different threads together in the chats the comment is made and many of us have said
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evidence-based medicine and protocol-based medicine and what jerome you just said
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it is a disaster it's clearly a disaster and we've also steven you know you've you've said this this
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requires as jerome said the practice it's an art as well as scientific elements of it and the game
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plan i think a number of people have said in this group the game plan is to get rid of doctors out
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of the equation so it's all driven by ai guys you are becoming irrelevant the robots will do the
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operations and steven you know the ai will do the diagnosis or based on protocols but charles the
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the people don't and don't believe the ai so they will miss their doctors because they do want they
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do want to believe that there are people they can rely on and those people have been undermined and
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it's evil what they're doing because what they're trying to do is to generate more fear so so you
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know so people are literally on their own now when they're ill because they don't know which
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1:40:29
doctor to go and see who they can trust the first question i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna
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scotland to see karen steven yeah i didn't know karen was a doctor sorry karen
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that's what i specialize in i'm not a doctor
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there you are charles i'm also a college lecturer so i have two degrees in education as well
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oh sorry i thought that charles thought you were a medical doctor i see he realized you weren't yeah
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well i think that was your but charles it was because we all need to be careful you know when
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you're ill you really need someone you feel you can trust anyway and and you know all these people
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dancing on the graves of doctors and the medical profession you know um they might regret dancing
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on those graves uh shortly um when they realize that they're all on their own
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i would like to say that there are lots of good people practicing medicine but after the last four
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years i'm not so sure in the uk anyway
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and in the u.s for that matter from my knowledge of what's going on in america
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well in united states attempt what's going on is pushing the doctors into hospital practice or
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medical group practice large medical group practice and they're not doing anything
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where they're situated in front of a computer and told what they can do that's very bad they
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shouldn't be talking syndrome they should not be sorry i agree i agree what they do is they
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they send you off to do a variety of tests largely blood work they read that into the
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computer and then the examination is that they look in front of the computer and read the numbers
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and try to prescribe how ridiculous you know medications at the end they might uh take out a
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1:42:35
stethoscope and see if your heart is beating but that's at the end not at the beginning
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and the doctor might not even actually look at you the entire thing can take five to ten minutes
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and you're gone you're just a number and uh it could be done by a machine well it it is what
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we're talking about these you know the the final point of all out of this which is very anti-human
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has no regard for human beings as individuals or looks at us all as useless essentially for
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except for the oligarchs who want to have all of everything to themselves with their machines
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merged with their machines and um you know the climate movement i often say we we exhale
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carbon dioxide so they want to look at us as the blight on the earth human beings and the best
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thing we could do for them to just commit suicide and save everybody all the trouble
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but if we don't insist upon committing suicide then we get read to a machine what we can and
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all the personal touch all the intuition you know all the ability of a doctor to
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1:43:42
begin the healing process simply by talking to a person that's when the healing process begins
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when the human contact is made and the and the healing process is as much an intuitive process
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of understanding the person and and using your creative creative powers to figure out what you
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might best do because this is not something that's like a mathematical equation that you
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can enter the variables and machine can tell you the calculation results because the variables all
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require um very difficult subjective judgment it has to be experientially based it has to involve
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knowing the person and caring about the person if medicine lacks this element we will lose a
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fundamental part of who we are as human beings i often point out that jesus christ began his mission
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by healing people and many of the people who came to see him were not coming for spiritual
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guidance they were coming to get better the fundamental human need is to be healthy
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and if we don't have a a doctor's trained doctors that are capable of practicing medicine
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that are truly driven by their own intelligence and experience we will let this to the government
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the end result will be transhumanism and it will be what they want which is depopulation and it's
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tough to get your mind around that the many of the actions governments are taking today are
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intentionally designed to destroy that's neo-marxism that's going on is is understood to be
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a malware for the brain and once it infects people it will end up in destruction and anarchy
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that's why it's being propagated and those are hard concepts to believe that our government
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it recently came to light that in 1970s henry kissinger signed a national security memorandum
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200 and made depopulation the official national security policy of the united states government
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that document just recently came to light so we've had since the 1970s a depopulationist
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agenda behind much of what the intelligence agencies have been doing so again these things
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have to be fought and we're at we have to be at the front lines of fighting this co-vid made it
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clear that they were willing to go very far to produce untested vaccines that were reasonably
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known immediately to have adverse effects especially on heart conditions and other
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1:46:29
age problems but specific very detrimental to women in pregnancy and yet they were administered
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1:46:36
on a mass scale and people told that if you did not take the vaccine you were going to be damaging
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1:46:42
society because you were going to be infecting others when the vaccine had no proof of actually
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preventing the disease and the whole purpose was to take a bad flu lock down the world and infect
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them with dangerous agents that would potentially kill millions of people now we've got to realize
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that that's what they intended to do that was not accidental and that's the hard part of the
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1:47:11
realization that we are fighting a fundamental evil agenda that is deeply committed to destroying
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humanity except for a very few who will be allowed to merge with their machines and control the
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resources of the earth and then extend their lives i mean the three elements here transhumanism
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artificial intelligence and perpetual life extinction those are the goals and it is absolutely
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anti-god and it is fundamentally evil but it is in control of many of the governments of the world
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goes along with censorship you can't speak out against it cancel culture we're in a very
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dystopian period of time and it's essential that we fight back on it i'm writing i think the only
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antidote is truth it's the only antidote and our goal has got to be to bring forward the truth
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regardless of the consequences
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great speech jerome thank you
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oh i'm sorry who's my so simon go ahead i didn't realize
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thank you steven i was just i was just thinking about i've missed a large part of all these
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fantastic meetings here when i was in belgium and they were a bit too late oh no i think it
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was in the winter in australia yeah when it was four o'clock or five o'clock in the morning
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but coming back to it i think a lot of the things that actually always stay the same is i mean i
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could say you know i'm a science doctor and i did over 50 projects for the medical companies in
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belgium including pfizer and and and jansen's and so on even on the on the vaccine stability
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but it really doesn't matter where i come from and what my background is i think we spend so much
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time in in i wouldn't say patronizing but kind of defending our corner in this group of what we
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believe and what we don't believe i think there's enough that we have in common that we believe is
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1:49:16
wrong and that we have to communicate somehow to the rest of the of the people without things which
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really don't matter i think to other uh to the to the general public i mean i think the talk of
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today was really nice that she said you know i agree on saying it's called a toxin whatever it is
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1:49:32
you want to call it a virus fine we don't want to call it vice fine there's been damage done and
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1:49:37
that we can report and we agree on the damage that has been done in the same way a lot of the a lot
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1:49:42
of the things are where it comes from and who is is guilty and so on it's important maybe for us to
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1:49:47
have some discussions on friday night or buy the barbecue but it's not going to change the actual
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communication that we have to do and i think there we have a responsibility to find new ways just
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like she said today to communicate to the large public to see if we can make changes
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and help people to realize they should help us stop this whole bigger picture so i don't know how
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to go ahead with it but i think it's really a thought to see how we can have a different way
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to communicate what is mainly almost 80 percent the same in the last three years that we've been
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discussing here it's always been about absolute versus uh absolute versus uh real uh protection
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or it has been about it is it toxic or not or is it genetic or not uh how can we actually group
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together and and find a way to to make new ways to communicate and have results and measure the
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results that we we actually uh bring awareness to the people that something is going on i think
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so in answers i think a lot of people have found it very complex uh all the things all the parallel
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things which are going on and it's only now that i for one um i'm beginning to uh able to sit back
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and look at the whole and think about what it is that we need to transmit and how we transmit it
888
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so that's how i would answer it but i don't know how other people would answer that
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so through this group we've we've had the chance to develop a deep understanding of what's going
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going but you could criticize the group because in a way we've had too much information and so
891
1:51:32
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there's been a heck of a lot of information to digest and then kind of think about and
892
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and uh decide what it is that we think each of us thinks is most important and so i've had
893
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i said long ago that we need to tell the people what's gone on but it's only now i'm beginning
894
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to think i could actually sit down and write one side of a4 which would resonate with at least the
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british population yeah great great it's fantastic i have a group so fantastic it could be an
896
1:52:03
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interesting thing to have somebody speak about how to actually promote the message like that
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or how to have the most results and so i think we all have to i mean you could all well exactly
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so i don't know who is good at that the problem is um so people like uh um what's the name
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kui David Charalambas JJ Cooey but he um and there are others as well uh Jerome is very
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important because he can put it all together uh he's thinking big picture there are others like um
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James uh what's his name the the uh Planet Lockdown Guide James Patrick um and then
902
1:52:42
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Mats Palswig uh Lars Johansson there are just loads of these people that we need to kind of
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get together and have a i don't know what we do um yes if we're all in different places literally
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but also we're in different places as far as our understanding goes and what we're interested in and
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what we need is it's maybe 10 people who are who are very interested in everything the big picture
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and then thrashing it out what it is we need to get out which would be most effective in waking up
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uh populations around the world what do you say Jerome well i think that's a good idea i think um
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you know it we have to the the key is for me has always been able to take these complex ideas and
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try to put them in a format where the average person can understand them and sometimes it's
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1:53:36
1:53:43
difficult when the material is scientific but uh again the concepts are explained and the importance
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1:53:43
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of the concepts are explained most people will get it uh so i've you know i've had i've spent
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much of my life figuring out how to communicate things and it's been uh you know in a sense
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it's trying to get an idea down to what are the most important points that are going to impact
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1:54:04
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people i like professor plimmer's work because he really has a focus on this climate he's saying
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this is a destructive detrimental agenda that is based on false science
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when i was in graduate school at harvard i one of my thesis advisors was arthur southerland jr who
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was the historian of harvard law school and he um had been a clerk to oliver wendell holmes well i'd
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written a draft of the thesis and i went in to see him i was probably 20 years old
919
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1:54:39
and um so well mr courseley i'm glad you only wrote the one side of the paper said well why
920
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1:54:44
is that he said well because then it's not a total waste you can turn it over and use the other side
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and so he said he would permit me to begin when he could come back and give him my thesis in one
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1:54:54
sentence and he was going to cape cod for the summer so i worked that entire summer and i
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1:54:54
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came back with one sentence and he said now you can begin that was a very important exercise
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because it forced me to really figure out and the complexity of what i was thinking not only
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what i was trying to say but how i could express it down to a cogent thought that was powerful
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enough to make an impact and i've tried to do that with my writing ever since the point is
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it requires a great deal of ability to think through these issues and it requires the
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uh you know the there's um one of the things i've always admired in the ancient greek
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1:55:43
philosophy was when they talk about megasukhia which means great solidness
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1:55:44
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and that is to think a human being can achieve a point where they're no longer
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1:55:55
self-interested and they're not interested in the general will which is this collectivism
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1:56:03
but they begin to realize that this is a spiritual experience and the sacredness of every human being
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1:56:03
1:56:09
now once you internalize those kinds of concepts you can begin to see how barbaric
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1:56:15
many of these government procedures are and how much we're lied to so i've i've spent the last 20
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1:56:21
years trying to convince people to show people the extent to which they're being lied to and
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they're living in a constructed reality that the intelligence agencies are constructing for their
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own destruction and we have at our ability with the technology that's been developed to
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live a thousand years in peace and it's it's absurd that we are spending this time
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1:56:45
enriching the pharmaceutical company to produce fraudulent dangerous drugs and we're enriching
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1:56:45
1:56:52
the arms industry perpetuate endless war for their own profit and we need to advance beyond this
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1:57:00
in order to get to a higher spiritual level which is nothing fundamentally different
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than it was 2 000 years ago so i think that you know these are the things i've the book i'm coming
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1:57:12
out with on the jf kennedy assassination i've spent all day working to get a small group
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1:57:18
together where we can tell the story to the american people and once i've gotten out five
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1:57:25
people who will we're going to go to the you know public it's very david mantick who did the
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1:57:31
optical density measurements douglas horn and two or three others michael cheser who confirmed the
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1:57:37
optical density measurements these are people of great courage because they are going to tell the
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truth and i think we've already made an impact because i'm seeing signs that the
949
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government is can no longer contain the lie they just allowed paramount to show a parkland doctors
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1:57:56
hospital that's up on the internet right now and it shows the parkland doctors for the first time
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filmed saying that jack kennedy when he came into the operating trauma room and parkland hospital
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obviously was shot from the front and they did not in that broadcast try to refute those doctors
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they let that narrative stand that's the truth and that it reflects to me that they know that the lie
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has been exposed and it is the the truth that is the only thing that we that is the only antidote
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against what we're dealing with today because we're living in a complete age of disinformation
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that's constructed to intentionally to cause us to fail as human beings
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to reduce the mass numbers of human beings in the face of the earth and put control in the hands of
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1:58:55
a few who believe they can perfect themselves into a uber mensch nician trans human state by
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merging with their machines and it's fundamentally evil so i think that you know excellent true
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it's complex question but i but my bottom line is this is not easy and it requires
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not only the skill to do it thinking through it to do it but also the courage to do it exactly
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so it's not easy i agree with you and and also jerome i think we've only got one chance to get
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this right otherwise if we don't get it right um bulletproof right then if we proved wrong later
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then we we we've lost trust as well so um and i think the message of that we should put out about
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john f kennedy is that look what the politicians have done they've lied to the american people and
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to the world about something that was so close to people's hearts for 60 years so what else have
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1:59:55
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they lied to us about well covet 19 for a start and it was a massive government cover-up it was
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2:00:09
not it started in the pentagon at the heart of the pentagon kurtis lame and others who wanted
969
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2:00:15
to go to war with nuclear war with russia thought we could win a nuclear war it included the cia
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2:00:23
it co-opted the secret service they in turn got the justice department to stand down and they
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2:00:30
persuaded the media to cover a false story blaming lee harvey oswald so this was a
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2:00:38
the cover-up involved massive lying and techniques of suppressing the truth the doctors at parkland
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2:00:44
hospital were told that these were you know dr malcolm perry who did the tracheotomy was
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2:00:50
30 some years old he had young children just beginning his medical practice he was quite
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2:00:56
brilliant and the secret service and other agents the government told him that if he didn't go along
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2:01:03
that he had mistaken the frontal shots for they could well have been from the rear
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they would bring him forward before a medical board and he would lose his
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2:01:11
certification to practice medicine so he faced the end of his career
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2:01:17
at a young age having worked to get his medical degree and trying to support a family
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and they broke him psychologically that's that the they told me if i didn't take their plea deal
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2:01:32
in the muller examination i go before a jury in washington that would put me in convict me of all
982
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2:01:38
their counts and i'd be in prison the rest of my life well i finally told them i cannot stand before
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2:01:44
judge and swear before god and before judge to a lie just to keep myself out of prison so i guess
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2:01:50
you'll have to put me in prison the rest of my life and that's when they didn't indict me you
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2:01:59
know and that's again the fear that they can the the fear biblically the one of the admonitions
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2:02:05
throughout the bible is fear not and and that is very difficult because you will be facing with
987
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2:02:16
you know severe threats to go along with a lie and it requires i mean just one more comment i mean
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2:02:16
2:02:22
early on in the cove it there was a paper pre-publication where the virus
989
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2:02:30
coven virus had been all the gene analysis had been done of it i remember the paper distinctly
990
2:02:30
2:02:37
and there were certain sequences of the genes that were obviously done in the laboratory
991
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2:02:45
and these were identified and they came in through the receptor that affected the heart and the lungs
992
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2:02:53
and it had been crafted in the laboratory and we came out with that and also we found papers
993
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2:03:01
that Fauci had done where he had supported chloroquine as a remedy to these SARS type
994
2:03:01
2:03:06
viruses which was known it had been known for many years and the government suppressed it all well
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2:03:12
that's when i started working with dr zelenko we that's all gotten telemedicine we decided
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2:03:12
2:03:18
we would offer this and the department of justice examined the program and i've defended the program
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2:03:24
on the basis that the doctors had the ability to prescribe off label this was legitimate and we
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2:03:24
2:03:30
weren't telling them what to do doctors were in control of the medicine and again they they let
999
2:03:30
2:03:36
the program run they threatened to bring me before congress and expose this as having profited from
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2:03:48
the virus well they didn't do that either so the you know the what we're facing is a massive
1001
2:03:49
2:03:59
lying with a population that has been conditioned to accept the lies and you know mark twain said
1002
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2:04:05
it's easier to propagate a lie than it is to be willing to admit that you have been duped by a lie
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2:04:16
and that's part of the problem so again i i this group bringing forth the medicine i think is
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2:04:23
extremely important and while i have not i'm not a medical doctor i didn't have any medical training
1005
2:04:23
2:04:28
i've learned a lot of the medicine simply by reading it and it's clear to me how completely
1006
2:04:28
2:04:34
fraudulent a great deal of medical and scientific literature that's being published today is
1007
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2:04:42
simply because if you don't agree with the current narrative the consequences on your academic or
1008
2:04:42
2:04:52
professional career are severe so people make up data publish lies and peer review fraudulence
1009
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2:05:00
will not accept even a well done well documented paper that is deviates from the narrative so we're
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2:05:00
2:05:07
in a very dark place when when truth is not the standard any longer professions that
1011
2:05:08
2:05:15
demand truth in order to be functional your own is there any possibility that you and i and simon and
1012
2:05:16
2:05:21
and a few others could sit down and well obviously we're in different places but
1013
2:05:21
2:05:27
work together to produce a side of a4 that would be understood by the public and would
1014
2:05:27
2:05:36
get the reaction that we're looking for it uh you know sir sure i i think hans i've been yes and i've
1015
2:05:36
2:05:42
been giving a lot of thought to hans's paper on the um nord stream and he's right and i've been
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2:05:42
2:05:46
giving a lot of thought to how to get that out what's the best method to get that out
1017
2:05:47
2:05:53
i haven't resolved it yet but he jerome i didn't say anything to you but i thought that uh hans
1018
2:05:53
2:05:58
benjamin's presentation to us the first presentation and later the second but the first
1019
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2:06:03
one was the one that did it i thought this is just brilliant and i agree with you uh it's very
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2:06:09
convincing and nobody's answered him that's the that's the giveaway they they haven't answered
1021
2:06:09
2:06:15
him because they can't answer him well it's brilliant and the seismic evidence is um is
1022
2:06:15
2:06:22
indisputable that's that's the key is you cannot dispute that scientific evidence there's you have
1023
2:06:22
2:06:28
to explain that scientific evidence and there's only really one explanation and he's right
1024
2:06:28
2:06:34
thermonuclear device was detonated and but we were thinking at the time jerome that there could have
1025
2:06:34
2:06:42
been other um uh other uh reasons for them doing that uh you know a warning to europe to strengthen
1026
2:06:42
2:06:51
nato a warning to sweden you know you need to get into uh nato um because they weren't in nato at
1027
2:06:51
2:06:57
the time although the decision that turkey was resisting i think finland of course is in nato
1028
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2:07:03
now amazingly um and whether they are and the other narrative was to break germany as well to
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2:07:03
2:07:11
get germany to understand that actually they were not so powerful and they needed to uh obey the us
1030
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2:07:18
or whatever you know nato um and um so we were discussing all that you see i said i know sweden
1031
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2:07:28
very well i'm married to a swedish woman and um and um i know the country very well um i would
1032
2:07:28
2:07:33
know it better if i was more in love with the language um but anyway um i know that they're
1033
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2:07:42
very good on statistics and those measuring sites in sweden they picked up the uh the nuclear
1034
2:07:42
2:07:48
disaster you know the nuclear power plants in in ukraine i think it was or was it belarus no it
1035
2:07:48
2:07:54
was belarus which got all the fallout yeah or most of the fallout um and um so the swedes have
1036
2:07:54
2:08:00
great measuring devices there's no way they're not aware of what hans benjamin is saying so why have
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2:08:00
2:08:07
they kept quiet and why have the germans kept quiet that's treason in my opinion not to alert
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2:08:07
2:08:15
their populations as to what has happened there's uh i texted hans this morning the the um there's
1039
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2:08:21
a move to make the baltic sea the nato sea getting all the countries around the baltic sea to be part
1040
2:08:21
2:08:28
of nato and there was an incident with a um chinese cargo ship that evidently lost an anchor
1041
2:08:28
2:08:36
and they were saying it cut cables but again what is going on is that the nato countries do not want
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2:08:44
russia and china using the baltic sea now if you take the baltic sea away from russia and deny its
1043
2:08:44
2:08:53
access to the atlantic through the uh to the north that's an act of war just as denying russia
1044
2:08:53
2:09:01
access to the atlantic through ukraine the black sea is an act of war and uh the nato countries
1045
2:09:01
2:09:09
don't seem to care um and again it's hard to imagine that they want war and i think hans is
1046
2:09:09
2:09:17
right that that that that device was detonated to show russia that our military and intelligence
1047
2:09:17
2:09:23
agencies are ready to go to tactical nuclear war i think that's been one of the demonstrations of
1048
2:09:23
2:09:31
how this battlefield uh the electronic battlefield has made conventional warfare obsolete and um
1049
2:09:32
2:09:37
i'm trying to figure out the right formulation of these ideas that can put them together in a
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2:09:37
2:09:43
way that will make the impact that has to be made so it'll take a while to figure out how to
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2:09:43
2:09:50
best sort them out and get it down to one sentence but hans is right and that's
1052
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2:09:57
and what he's brought forth needs to be known and when it is known it will be immediately
1053
2:09:58
2:10:05
threatening and it will be considered a conspiracy theory but again that we have to invite that in
1054
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2:10:09
order to stimulate the controversy to get a bigger platform for hans to explain himself
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2:10:17
so i i invite these kind of controversies in order to expand the awareness of the issue
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yep very good all right we've got 20 minutes 15 minutes to go everybody thank you jerome and
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hands i apologize for being not being shorter than comment that's that's look that's that's
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wonderful and we we've all got we've all got time so we you know it's the it's the it's all
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2:10:42
excellent stuff now we've got three hands up mark then jim then tom we're finishing in 15 minutes
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thank you charles uh i've uh i've posted this all right anyway i've posted it in the chat
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2:11:00
it's uh absolute zero it's a document called absolute zero it's in the chat um and what i'm
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trying to do with my wife is we're trying to wake up the people locally now we've been um to
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2:11:16
peter borough and we have been to huntington we've done um uh we have here some questionnaires to ask
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2:11:21
people some very simple questions just to try and find out whether or not they are awake
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2:11:29
and what we have found is that the biggest thing that they um know about is the restriction of cash
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2:11:40
the thing that they are least um interested in was the world health organization which of course
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2:11:46
is something that as a as a group we're very interested in combating to make sure that we
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keep our sovereignty etc so um having said that about the um the the survey i want to go back to
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this report i think this report is actually key because in this report um they have some key
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messages and one of the key messages is that we are not talking about net zero net zero
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we're actually talking about absolute zero and there's a very good quote in here on page four
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the public concern about climate is too well informed to be sidelined by political trickery
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sorry is somebody uh austin can you
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i don't know what's happened can you still we can we can we can we can hear you fine
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okay okay okay sorry sorry okay so uh right i was saying too uh too well informed to be
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sidelined by political trickery on definitions in writing this report we have therefore assumed
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2:13:09
the target of zero emissions is absolute there is no negative emission option or meaningful carbon
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2:13:18
offsets absolute zero means absolute emissions and the next paragraph it says the uk is responsible
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for all emissions caused by its purchasing including imported goods international flights
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and shipping um and on page uh six and seven it gives a uh this is a this on six and seven i've
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posted it in as well it sums up it has um what we have to do by let's say uh 2049 and i think
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2:13:58
this would wake up the the you know the public food beef and lamb is phased out well i like beef
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and lamb i don't want it phased out i think that's how we want to get to people we're talking also
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about people having their journeys reduced 60 percent what is who what is it who produced this
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document uh this is a document sponsored by the government is uh by uk f i r e s i put everything
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in the chat but what this sounds like this sounds like some insane asylum has published this document
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which could be the u.k government the author the authors are from cambridge university bath
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university nottingham university stratton university oxford university and imperial
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college so i would agree with your statement thank you you put the link in there we'll move on
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so that's that's the level of the pressure everybody you ain't seen nothing yet as i say
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in classics that as gerome says there's a deep well we've all said there's a depopulation agenda
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so get rid of electricity you will definitely get rid of the population okay we're three hands up
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we got 10 minutes to go jim thank you uh thanks of coursey um
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you're uh you're working on the jfk issue um i just put in something in the chat i'm not sure
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if you talk to uh dr red duke um he's a trauma surgeon at at uh university of texas houston
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um he's the uh trauma surgeon who who attended jfk or one of the trauma surgeons that attended jfk
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and uh and treated connelly and was credited with saving connelly's life um he died in 2015
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um and he was an exceptional uh exceptional guy who uh ran for sure was appointed was once a
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candidate for surgeon general just wanted to make you aware of him if you weren't aware of him i
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wasn't aware of him and did you put him in chat i'm looking for him now i can send that to you if
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you yeah send it to just send it to me i think everyone here should have your address i'll put
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my email in the chat okay and then um yeah so so i i gave one of the uh a one your your inspiration
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for a one sentence summary um in the chat as well where the this seems to be a depopulation agenda
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run by the the department of defense intelligence agency depopulation agenda um in the name of
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climate change and uh that's the real uh question who's allowing this um how did how did our
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intelligence organizations allow this and uh who and why uh without allowing the uh without
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notifying the american people and this doesn't seem to be a government of the people by the
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people and for the people so uh um i also want to make you aware of some uh documents that were
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there they're they were kind of uh gotten by uh project veritas a couple years ago and senator
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johnson made a request to see these documents there they show that darpa knew that hydroxychloroquine
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ivermectin and interferon would work against the sars-cov-2 spike protein
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so those are it's kind of important documents that they knew as far as early as april 2020
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and they suppressed the uh the information and uh and so the question is why were they allowed to
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do that and even now uh senator roger marshall is looking for the origins of the covid when they're
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not asking for the origins of the sars-cov-2 spike protein and that's a very important
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distinction robert cadillac k-a-d-l-e-c the head of manhattan kansas uh bio warfare labs wrote a
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paper called muddy waters and uh and in that paper he says he'll never know who invented the sars it
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seems to indicate that they they they say they'll never know who invented the covid when in fact they
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may be able to figure out who invented the sars-cov-2 spike protein and we talked about
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last time when you were here uh if they say they don't know who did it that means the intelligence
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community did it yeah the glycoprotein 120 which was at the uh the key ingredient of the spike
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protein was uh was patched into the sars virus that was one of the unique aspects of it and uh
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and and fauci has patents on glycoprotein 120 he has on that glycoprotein he has patents
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yes there's one more aspect and that's the furin cleavage site and it's a p r r a sequence and the
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furin cleavage site was from a bacteria rather than the virus so the so the real smoking gun
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may be the furin cleavage site uh as well because i believe it is i believe it is yeah i think you're
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exactly right now uh my email is very simple it's joram corsi small small letters the number is
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6554 at gmail.com i'm having i've got a direct message in here i can't put it in the message
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forever jake joram corsi 6554 gmail.com and i'd like the information on that doctor we've got in
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the book quite a few doctors who knew jack kennedy was shot twice from the front and it's very clear
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in the x-rays and he shot once from behind two shots came from the grassy knoll and this book is
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will demonstrate this to the american people i've been especially today working on it all day
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trying to put together the coalition of people who are going to go forward to get this message to
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the american people and to find out the right place to position it to break the news so it can't be
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suppressed and one of the people who was involved with that was serol wecht do you are you in touch
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yes in fact um yeah very much so and serol wecht was very good um dr chester will support dr
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mantek peter jannie has just emailed me this afternoon he's um he is extremely good he did
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the book of mary's mosaic on mary meyers who was cordmire's wife until she had an affair with jack
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kennedy and um there's a small group here which will carry the message i like small groups of
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people that can carry the message and defend the bull but when the american public sees this
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it's going to change a lot of things and are you putting in anything are you putting in anything
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about arlen specter and uh there's tons lots about arlen specter are you putting anything about him
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being the guy who covered up for the 200 pounds of uranium coming in from uh from pennsylvania
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into the middle east no i didn't do we did we stayed strictly with jfk we didn't get into other
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things we just stayed strictly with jfk to not invite you know people picking up a stray thread
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and making that to discredit the book which they're good at trying to do this book's going to be hard
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to discredit all right on we go jim thank you we're out of time tom and then julie and then
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we're finishing okay so i'm kind of just going to parrot some jj cooey he seems to be on a run he's
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trying to do uh a twitch thing every night first thing um he um he followed the this week in
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virology guys last night and um they're talking about gain of function and he he debunked that he
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also debunked this wasting disease and deer the prion disease and basically his attack on these
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virologists is that they have these oversimplified cartoon models and they all just kind of nod their
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heads yeah we understand when in fact it's so like the prion protein folding is so complicated
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um there's a apparently a law in congress to stop gain of function and that very much upset the
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12 people this week you know vincent wreck and illy and so forth um then there's something i might
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as well jump into this this confuses me this is one of his means he believes that the gain of function
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is a big confusion point that it's just it's not real and i need somebody in this group to explain
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to me why jj keeps focusing on that so i don't have an answer but he just thinks that's a big
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way you very quickly has this crazy analogy where you have this wonderful high-speed train coming
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into a station and you've got this team of athletic people that all line up because the brakes don't
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work in the train so these athletic people all line up and they put chalk on their hands and they
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they work really hard to slow down the train well the train is just fine but you get all these
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impressive experts which is all the propaganda so there was no spread there's no pandemic is
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is in a sense what he's saying and then with from denny rancourt another big meme is there's no
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spread there's no spread of sars-cov-2 and that's hard for me to get he doesn't think that sars-cov-2
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spread worldwide it it couldn't in his opinion so those are some talking points um very good thank
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you i'll take those comments thank you tom that you put those in the chat as well i saw earlier
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so for all of us to think about julie yeah so real quick jj couey covered that meme on his
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presentation what two weeks ago charles we had that one jj couey here he covered that meme and
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that answer to the gain of function so real quick circling back on iceland so i put three articles
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that say okay iceland banned the covet vaccines just recently so that i wanted to make sure that
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i covered my reputation on that clarifying that they did just do that and sasha lots of pova
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broke that news and you can take her to the bank usually um real quick i also wanted to cover you
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know i'm the one here advocating and representing the injured right i'm vaccine injured by moderna
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i worked in health care my career blew up and yeah i woke up to this whole thing and
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the people responsible for jfk are responsible for 9 11 so i guess 60 years from now we get a book on
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9 11 and 60 years from now we get a book on covid but anyway so my doctor is now me i'm my own doctor
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right for the most part but i do trust now the wellness company that's dr peter maccala dr drew
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dr james thorpe their new organization everything's gone telehealth and they do an intake form where
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they actually ask me what are your vaccine injuries so it's kind of refreshing but what i
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was able to purchase is this medical emergency kit there's eight anti there's eight pharmaceutical
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products in here so you get this nice little thing and it's a medical emergency kit so when you get a
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little book so what's in here is a zetra myosin i'll read it um amoxicillin azithromycin doxycycline
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the metronidazole a generic background ivermectin generic dipole can generic zofran and then it just
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is a little book so when i i literally got kind of nauseous a couple weekends ago hold this out
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i look up nausea and it leads me to you know take the zofran here's my and it's in its 30 day supply
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249 and they have a similar one just for covid that includes the hydroxychloroquine and a nebulizer so
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yeah highly recommend that group is my go-to now they're my doctors i don't trust a one here in
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chico there isn't a one that i can trust not even my neurologist who diagnosed me with the you know
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vaccine injury so yeah it's pretty disturbing that our medical community is now bought and paid for
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by pharma um and also i just wanted to let steven frost know again this group's really amazing so
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you guys connected me with sandra martinez who's in this group right she's in san diego southern
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california i'm in northern california she and i hit up the board of pharmacy call last month
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and gave them a couple public comments that they didn't want to hear and so i'm going to publish
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on my rumble channel tomorrow and we're going to go back in at them every month and be there on
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public comment and telling them what's this garbage and what the react you know the problems are
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and i talked to her this morning we're going to actually do some survey work too and send it out
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to the community and try to again really focus laser focus on this california board of pharmacy
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because again it's just a multi-prong attack right you know we can't cover it all but
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we're we're kind of wanting to laser focus in on the pharmacy you can't have these pharmacists try
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to prescribe drugs like paxlovid which is black label or be the ones now that are you know
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injecting little children with stuff so that's what we're going after so yeah you guys are doing
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good work by connecting us all so thanks much for the call today julie i think that's a that's an
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excellent point and i say that in the introduction that one connection from a meeting like this
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who knows where that goes and so you know that's that's the value and we invest it each one of us
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invest the time we get ideas here we get ways to express our ideas better jerome joins us and
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suddenly that creates different connections and we're in the game so well said um can you julie
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put your link to your rumble channel as well into the chat if you haven't done so if you have to
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leave it there but if you haven't please put it in there so people can follow you there all right
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everybody guess what it's two and a half hours so this is your opportunity to get on with your
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life um steven has gone to sleep as you can see and there's 33 of us left so it's time to go
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thank you all of you for your contributions uh jeremy are you when are you going to be ready to
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sing us a song to exit i don't think you really want to give me a form for that but uh maybe tom
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can help me set up the proper microphone system here that i can convey a little music to you i'd
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be happy to do that very good so tom liaise with tom for that steven we're up there two and a half
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2:28:15
hours we're going so is there any final comments you want to make so i just wanted to apologize
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uh charles um i had to make a phone call that's right i've just finished this second so i so sorry
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about that no dramas no dramas i had to pop out to make a phone call as well we all do that we
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come in and out come in and out like i've got a good metaphor for that but i won't be rude at
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the moment all right everybody thank you for being here have a wonderful tuesday night wednesday
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morning read all the links stay passionate fight the fight and tom rodman has for those of you with
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the time and uh tom's put the link into the telegram video chat if you have time to stick around
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go there and we will be back with you on sunday simon the wolf you and i have some stuff to talk
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about we will get there lots of other stuff to talk about on we go fight the fight thanks for
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being here bye everybody geroma oh is gerome yes i'm sorry yes i'm still here yes i'll try to
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i'll try to email you if i look as though i might have forgotten could you email me
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just so that and your email is hold on a second is steve