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Hello everybody and welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and today's
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discussion this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost over three years ago with a desire to
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pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.
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Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower
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and activist.
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His medical specialty is radiology.
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I'm Charles Covets, the moderator of this group.
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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur.
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We love passionate people in these meetings and we remember Rainer Fulmick right now who's
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in jail in Germany undergoing an outrageous show trial by the German government and a
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corrupt court system.
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Please share the plight of what Rainer is going through.
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It's somewhat like Julian Assange and shining a light on outrage is one of the key ways
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to stop outrageous corrupt government behaviour.
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I've practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago and over the last 13 years
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I've helped parents and lawyers to strategise remedies for vaccine damage and damage from
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bad medical advice.
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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
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We comprise lots of professions here and with them all around the world.
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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
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Many of us proudly say yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers and that stance has been reinforced
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by the alleged godfather of vaccines, Dr Stanley Plotkin, admitting that no vaccine
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for children and indeed no vaccine ever has been properly tested in history for safety
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and efficacy.
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If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat
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and where you're from.
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If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio or TV show or you've written
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a book put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you.
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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that the medical science
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battle is one of only 12 battle fronts of this latest world war.
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Attacks on doctors is part of that medical science battle front and there's no time
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We're some four years into a seven year war, I assess so.
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Gird your loins everybody and get as healthy as you can to fight the fight that we need
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to fight.
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Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never settled.
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Some of us believe that viruses exist, some of us believe that viruses are a hoax and
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some of us are on the fence and most of us consider having that debate deflects us from
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other more relevant battle fronts of this World War III.
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This meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time Tom Rodman
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runs a video telegram meeting.
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Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.
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We will listen to our guest presenter Dr Michael Hwang for as long as Michael wishes
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to speak and then we have Q&A.
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I will start with his four minute video that he took that can't be seen in some places
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So we'll show that first before Michael starts.
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Stephen Frost by long established tradition asks the first questions for 15 minutes.
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There's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating.
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Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms and those
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in the UK are now seeing that ever more clearly that if you say something that the government
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approves or say something that the government disapproves they will charge you, arrest you.
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This is 1984 writ large obviously.
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If you're offended by anything be offended.
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We're lovingly not interested.
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We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another
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and we reject the triggering industry.
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Don't say something that may trigger someone.
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We come with an attitude and perspective of love not fear.
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Fear is the opposite of love.
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Fear squashes you and enslaves you.
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Love on the other hand expands you and frees you.
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These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests and extraordinary range of actions and
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initiatives have been generated from linkages made by attendees in these meetings.
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If you have a solution or product or links or resources that will help people put the
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details into the chat the meeting is recorded and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel and
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now welcome to Dr Michael Wang our guest presenter and Sue Frost is going to introduce him and
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then I will show his four minute video and then Michael will start and thank you Stephen
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Frost again for creating this group and for organizing Michael to speak to us today and
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also to Shasta for organizing Michael.
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So Sue give us an intro to Michael you are a patient you were a patient of his is that
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That's correct.
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Well first I want to thank Dr Stephen Frost and Charles and Shasta for the honor of introducing
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Dr Michael Wong.
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Dr Michael Wong is a family practice physician in Roseville California and he's been serving
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the greater Sacramento area since 2004.
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He graduated from UCLA majoring in biochemistry and then St. George School of Medicine.
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Michael conducted cardiovascular research at Stanford University with various clinical
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rotations throughout the US and England.
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He obtained his medical degree in 2001 and completed a medical internship at Indiana
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University and did his residency at UC Davis in family practice.
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At UC Davis he was selected as a house staff president to help lead teams of physicians
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through their medical training.
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During the first quarter 2020 Dr. Wong became alarmed by the rapid spread of COVID-19 misinformation
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and the dismissal of evidence-based medical practice with rapid adoption of baseless mandates
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rooted by fear and ignorance.
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To quote Dr. Wong, I kept my clinic open and treated numerous patients that were given
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up by their physicians and denied basic medical care.
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This resulted in successful treatment of over 4,000 COVID-19 patients.
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I also protected thousands of nurses, firefighters, frontline workers, students and hardworking
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Americans from harmful masks and COVID-19 vaccine mandates.
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I met Dr. Wong in 2020 when I saw him in a heated TV interview that was highlighting
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him and his medical practice and the controversial mask and vaccine exemptions that he was using
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in the treatment of some of his patients.
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The media swooped in on him.
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I'm a former RN and a current Sacramento County supervisor.
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At that time I had whistleblower nurses reaching out to me for help early on and I had, and
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I, those nurses could see there was something terribly wrong and they didn't want to get
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the shot, but they also didn't want to lose their job.
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People were desperate for help and not just for exemptions.
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They were terrified of COVID-19 death and their doctors were telling them to go home
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and come back if they were short of breath or had exacerbated symptoms.
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Dr. Wong didn't turn down one cry for help.
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He and his dedicated assistant Ashley Matsudo were working extremely long days and weekends.
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People were coming from all over, some from out of the country to receive help from Dr.
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He was ultimately treating even extreme vaccine injuries as well.
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During that same time many of us became activists.
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Many on this call were there with me and Dr. Wong.
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We were trying to break through the censorship and let people know their treatments.
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Dr. Wong was willing to speak at our events, our protests, our gatherings in many of the
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California counties trying to tell people don't be afraid, there are treatments.
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He came on multiple occasions to give public comment at my board, the Sacramento County
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Board of Supervisors and he, at which time he was, we were basically ghosted.
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It's as though we weren't even talking.
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And he launched a campaign bid and during all this he even launched a campaign bid to
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become a California state senator.
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He didn't leave any stone unturned in his battle for his patients and his community.
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Dr. Wong's practice was closed on July 1, 2023 due to pressure from the California Medical
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Board and is currently, and he is currently fighting various accusations from the Medical
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Board for providing masks and COVID-19 vaccine exemptions.
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It's because of Dr. Wong and many of you other physicians and professionals on this call
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that we know now and understand how Western medicine is captured by policy makers and
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large corporate interests.
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Michael, you're an old friend to the medical doctors for COVID ethics and there are many
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physicians and professionals here with similar tragic stories like yours.
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We all want to thank you for coming on the call to give us an update on what's going
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on in your life and at this time please everyone join me in welcoming Dr. Michael Wong.
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Yeah, thank you Sue and Michael Wong for doing the right thing.
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It's just great to hear.
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I just tell you something that's just happened now.
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I don't want to take attention from Dr. Wong, but when I answered the door and it was Tesco,
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the woke supermarket from whom, well, I'm going to change that.
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We buy food and so the lady, it's never a lady normally, but it was a lady this time
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and I said you can come in.
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I noticed she had a black mask on and she said, oh, I can't come in.
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And I said, I've had enough of this.
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I really have had enough of this nonsense.
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You've been psychologically tortured by your own government.
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I think, you know, it's just so in your face now, these people going around in masks, you
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know, there aren't many, but one of them was at my door now and it really triggered me.
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I don't know whether anybody can explain why it triggers me so much.
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I hated to see masks in 2020 and 2021 and I just let fly.
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I said, you've been psychologically tortured by your own government.
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And I later said there was no Covid-19 and there was no pandemic and this is a military
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grade psychological operation.
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I realized this wasn't the best way to win her over, but I just wanted to lash out at
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this nonsense. And I said, please tell your manager that you are not to come here with
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a mask ever again. You're very welcome without a mask.
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But with a mask, you're not welcome and nobody from Tesco is welcome either.
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Tesco is the problem and corporations and companies like this.
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And we need to tell them anyway.
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Sorry about that.
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Thank you, Stephen. All right.
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We will share the screen and the four minute video that you can't see in the UK.
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You see that, Michael?
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I will not ask any government agency for licensure because they are not to be trusted.
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This is very somber and sad.
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But am I proud to have done what I did in the past three years?
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Hell yeah.
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If I knew that my office will look like this in three years and you tell me and show me
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this video and say, hey, see that family right there?
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They need your help.
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If you were to see them, this is what your parties will look like.
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What would you do?
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I would do exactly the same thing I did in the past three years because I'm proud of it.
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I'm here to defend my liberty, my freedom, my patients, medical autonomy.
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I refuse to bow down to tyranny.
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I refuse to bow down to threat and intimidation.
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This chapter ends and now the chapter will begin.
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And don't know if I ever practice medicine again.
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If I do, you'll be different.
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All right, buddy.
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Stay strong.
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Live long and prosper.
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Michael, are you talking?
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No, you're not muted.
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So thank you for sharing that video and appreciate the invite everybody.
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And thanks Sue Frost for introducing me.
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And my name is Michael Huang.
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And I'd like to share with you my experience in the past four years with my practice for
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as far as the COVID restriction goes.
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And since then a lot has happened and there's a lot of new development I have to
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share that with you and also my thought on how every one of us can protect ourself
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and our family and our community from all the harms that's coming our way.
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So going back to 2019, I was practicing family practice in the Northern California,
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near Sacramento area at Roseville, California.
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I had a private practice seeing anywhere between 15, 20 patients a day.
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Just delivering primary care.
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And one thing I noticed every year that I practice is right around late fall into the
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winter and I will see a new string of viral illness coming along.
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Just like any other year.
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In 2019, I noticed that something was a little bit different.
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And I overheard that there was some sort of strange or typical pneumonia happening in
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And I have a lot of patients that travel all across the US and also internationally for
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business.
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And they will come back with some sort of atypical viral illness or pneumonia.
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So I start treating them.
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In 2019, I start to see some of my patients will come in with presentation of cough, fever
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and whining of their lungs.
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So when we do a chest x-ray, I'm like, OK, you know, it's I think it may be a bad one.
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So I'll treat them accordingly and everyone recover very quickly.
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Just standard practice.
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And when Covid came to the scene in early 2020, I started to see across the globe,
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various governments and various entities will do some sort of strange measure in
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requiring different type of things to reduce, quote unquote, reduce spread on the virus.
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In March 2020, the California governor Gavin Newsom announced that we're going to
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basically lock down and close the state, close all sorts of business as we are going to
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stay home. And I knew that was the wrong thing to do because I knew how to manage this
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virus. And also through a lot of different reporting examples that this viral illness
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really affect people that are older, people with several comorbidities and mostly the
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working age population, the young people are not affected that much.
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So when Gavin News announced that we're going to close down the state, I told my staff,
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Hey, America have a lot of enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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And our enemies has brought us down to our knees without firing a shot.
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And I'll never forget saying that.
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And that's when the chaos started was back in when we first closed down the state.
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And slowly but surely, I started seeing few COVID patients coming in and I would treat
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them accordingly. And when the restriction becomes more stringent, that you have to wear
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a mask. And when the vaccine rolled out, that everybody needs to get a shot.
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And I start question, why do we need to wear a mask? Why do we need to get a shot? How
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can nobody talk about, hey, you know, why don't we improve our health to prevent infection,
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lose weight, stop eating processed food, stop drinking soda, go on exercise.
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Nobody promote that. But just one solution or two solutions, lock down shelter in place,
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mask and getting the shots. And I knew that these protocols, these recommendations are not
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accurate. So I did not listen to that. I treated my patients, my population according to what I see
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to be the right thing to do, still promote healthy living.
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Mass is important when I do surgery, and I have operating room and I will use mask.
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Mass is very important when I see people come in with tuberculosis.
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And it makes sense if you have a seasonal allergy. So mass is important for a certain type of things,
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but not for viral illness, which we know for 30 plus years. And that's when I start to see
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people coming in slowly. My patient that knows me knows how I practice, asking for exemption for
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face masks for their kids to go to school. And I thought that was a very strange requirement for
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kids that are not at risk for this virus to wear something that does not work.
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So I say, hey, no problem. I can provide some mass exemption for you guys. And literally within
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three days, my office was flooded with calls. Some days will be more than 500 calls, asking
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whether we can schedule appointment to see other kids that are not my regular patients
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for mass exemptions. So I said, fine, that's okay. And it got to a point where my office was
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inundated with some days, literally more than 300 kids coming in to see me for mask exemptions.
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And one thing that's really sad I observe is more than 80% of the little boys I've seen
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for mass exemption suffers from some sort of speech impediment. As a result, having to
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not see their cohort and their teachers face when they talk and being masked up all day long.
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So I'm very proud to say that I was instrumental in help reverse mass
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requirement for one of the local school districts. And when this was happening,
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and I was promptly reported by local school district to the local news saying that I was
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selling exemption cards for money. So that was interesting. And soon after that, I started to
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get trickle of people calling my office for COVID vaccine exemptions. Initially was my established
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patient. And also I was seeing my established patient coming in with very severe COVID vaccine
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reactions. And I thought that was really odd because all the 20 years I practiced medicine,
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where we administer anywhere between 50 to 75 million vaccine total a year.
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that we administer. So what I'm trying to say is adult vaccine reaction, which is very rare,
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but I was seeing a handful of my own adult patient coming in for COVID vaccine injuries.
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exemption. They evaluate them and I say, hey, that's fine. These COVID vaccine are experimental.
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there is an extreme spike on the various data of over 5,000 deaths that's reported
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with COVID-19 vaccine. So I say, hey, I don't believe the COVID vaccine is safe.
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hundreds and hundreds of calls a day. And like Sue Frost said, I will work late into the night,
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9, 10 p.m. and I seen patients that want to have vaccine exemptions.
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shot of COVID vaccination. That's when I start seeing tens and twenties and fifty
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firefighters coming in and telling me, hey, they won't accept my religious exemption requests for
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COVID vaccinations. And I'm seeing my fellow firefighter getting injured from the vaccine.
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I don't want to get the shot. Can you help us? Can you help my whole department? We have over
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20, 30, 50 plus firefighters that doesn't want to get a shot. And if we don't get these exemptions,
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we'll be fired. So within a span of, I would say two weeks from the mask
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and also from the COVID vaccine exemption request, I knew I was going to lose my license.
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against the California Medical Board from someone that was practicing or exercising
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munchausen by proxy trying to injure their family. When I'm trying to protect their family and they
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report me to the Medical Board. Now I was able to successfully defend my license after three years
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of bitter fight. And I knew how the Medical Board works and how the government works.
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It's not in the physician's favor. So when all this hundreds and thousands of requests for
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mask and vaccine exemption pour in, and with the fact that California is encouraging
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people to report physician that provide exemptions, especially for mask and COVID vaccine
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exemptions, I knew I'm a marked man. So I have a choice to either do the right thing
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to protect people, little kids from mask injury, from protecting kids and adults from these
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experimental gene therapy injury, or protect my employment. Luckily, I had a plan since 9-11,
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when I was a intern at Indiana University. I knew that something was not right, that
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as a citizen of a state that we can be hurt by our government. When I saw the airplane flew into
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the Twin Tower, I was on call that night and I have five cold blues and I will never forget that night.
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I was looking up at the TV screen and I thought, wow, they're playing some sort of movie where
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airplane flying to buildings. Little did I know that was real. And when I saw that there was,
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it's not just the Twin Tower collapse, it was building seven that collapsed straight down
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from a small fire. And then I thought something was not right. How can a
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freestanding modern steel building collapse straight down like an implosion?
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be planned. That's a way for us to scare the people into war. And that's what happened in the past 20
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years. And we fought one war after another, killing millions of innocent people and then wasted
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trillions of dollars. So I prepared myself since 9-11 to prepare myself financially.
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So I'm trying to save and invest wisely. So in 2021, when all this exemption came in and poured
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in, I knew that my practice will be destroyed, my license will be revoked. I would need to do the
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right thing. And I'm able to do the right thing, even that means I will not have a career. So I
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say, okay, I will provide the exemption for masks. I will provide the exemption for vaccine and what
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has happened since. I provided over 500 face masks exemption for children, for school,
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over thousands of COVID vaccine exemptions for nurses, firefighters, like Sue Frost,
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pretty much everyone from all over the country, even from Canada, from Germany. And I have treated
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over 4,000 COVID patients in my office without wearing face masks once, 100% survival and success
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rate. That means I have helped over 10,000 people with COVID-related issue. On the day of my office
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closure, I have lost over $100,000. That means I had to pay for my lease because I had to close my
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office early. I had to pay for the equipment loss and whatnot. That means I've lost about on average
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$10 for every COVID patient I've seen. Is it worth it? I would say yes with the number of
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life I was able to protect. And also if you look at a monetary term, how much income and retirement
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I had protected, just a simple calculation, I had protected over $1 billion of annual income for
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their retirement from all the exemption I provided for mask and vaccine exemption to protect their
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employment. So I'm very proud of what I have done. And since then a lot has happened. I've lost every
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friend I had to my medical training because everyone thought I was a good doctor. And I was
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sued my medical training because everyone thought I was nuts. I was crazy.
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But in the past year, I have seen what has happened when my friends have taken the shots.
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I used to work at Kaiser. It's a large management group. And the clinic I work at,
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it's about 30 physicians. And physician, we are usually trying to stay healthy,
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trying to avoid harms. We don't smoke, we don't drink. And unfortunately in the past year,
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I've learned that two out of the 30 physicians I work with were diagnosed with aggressive
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advanced cancer. And one of them died because of that. Almost monthly, I would hear
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one or two physicians would die suddenly. And most recently, we know this family practice
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resident who's in his 30s. We have seen him about a month ago, healthy, vibrant. And he suddenly
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died of advanced cancer and left an unborn child as a result. So we start to see the results of
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healthcare provider playing the Russian roulette, getting the shots as they're leading their
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physician, leading their patients, setting examples, getting their booster shots and
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getting injured from these experimental vaccines. So I think the lesson that we need to learn is
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is that we need to take care of our health. When something bad happens, be it a real or
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manmade pandemic, that there are many things that we can do to protect ourself. It's not just the
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mass. It's not just the experimental shots. There are many things that we can do with our health,
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with our diet, with our exercise that we can protect ourself. And one thing I have also learned
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is that the governments all across the world are getting ever larger. For example, in the US,
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back in the 1970s, the government size take up about 26% of the GDP, the gross domestic product
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to sustain. Fast forward 40 years in 2024, right now we require 36% of GDP to sustain the government
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function. And back in 1970s, the standard of living increased about 2% per year. And fast forward to
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today is down to 1.3% per year. Because every 1% increase of government size, there's a 0.1%
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reduction of standard of living. What does that translate? That translates when the standard of
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living of a general population decrease, that decrease the new household formation, that decrease
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the birth rate and decreasing our health. And in 2021, with the amounts of money that we have
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printed, that really increases inflation and that destroy the economy, and that means our general
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health will reduce. So I would encourage the listener to invest wisely, protect your nest egg,
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and also the most important is to take great care of your health. With the increased pressure on
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inflation, again, looking at an example, US home price in 2001, US home price on average costs
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$170,000 to purchase a home. That will require about 650 ounces of gold to purchase. In fast
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forward in 2024, average home price has risen from $170,000 per home to $420,000 per home.
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If you take a look at that 650 ounces of gold back in 2001 to purchase a home, if you take that gold
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and translate to 2024, that 650 ounces of gold were worth $1.6 million. That has greatly risen
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in price compared to the cost to purchase a home now, which is $420,000. So why do I mention these
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examples? That means not only do we need to take care of our health, we need to take care of our
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finance. Because the government is going to destroy our money with inflation. If you invest
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wisely, your investment will be protected. I will have to say, luckily, I was able to invest
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somewhat wisely, that unable to send my retire and close my office because of the pressure from the
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state from providing the exemptions for masks and for COVID vaccine. And I feel sorry for
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new physicians that just graduated from med school with $200,000 debt, looking at
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hundreds of people pointing to their office asking for masks or COVID vaccine exemption.
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They won't be able to do what I do easily because they don't have the income and the necessary
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to rely on if their practice is destroyed. So my closing thought with everyone is not only do we
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need to protect our health, sometimes and oftentimes the government all across the world is
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going to go after you as a, I would say it's kind of like the movie Matrix as a battery. They're
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going to basically extract as much as they can from you monetarily and also using you
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and forcing things on you to injure you, be it from a vaccine or mask for their own good.
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So we need to always have an open mind. It doesn't matter if it's anyone that has the
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authority, be it Fauci and their likes saying, hey, listen to me, I am science. Do X, Y, and Z.
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We need to remember the word science. Science means you are always wrong. Things always evolve.
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You need to have an open mind to learn what comes about that's new and developing.
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So yeah, everybody take great care of yourself, health and financially protect yourself,
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protect your career as much as possible. And yeah, so that's my thought.
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Michael, thank you so much for sharing your story, your perspective on what you've gone through.
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My slogan for my business is passionate people produce PPP. Well, I've got one for you.
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You are proudly protecting patients. PPP. So interesting, the comment is made
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on turbo cancers. I was riding my bike. I exercise Michael every day. I've been new triathlons for 38
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years. And I was riding with one of my cycling buddies, an intelligent guy, who said, what are
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these meetings that you do twice a week? And I said, meeting on doctors for COVID Ethics
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International. He said, why do you need that? You know, I don't know anybody who's died from the jabs.
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Okay, this is a highly intelligent guy and ties into the Psyop. And you mentioned turbo cancers,
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the people dying from cancer, we've got all these people dying suddenly. And clearly the
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psychological operation like 911 has worked so that people are incapable of questioning the
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narrative, you know, literally, and the point that you make about health, Stephen was talking about
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a psychological operation and Jason Kristoff's been on here, poor health increases your ability
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to be psychologically tortured. And you make an excellent point. And there are many people on this
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call who are experts in alternative health, wonderful practitioners. And anyone watching
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the recording and all of you, I encourage you to you must find alternative health practitioners,
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you cannot rely on the medical system. So that were my initial comments. Stephen goes first with
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the next 15 minutes. Stephen, well done for organizing Michael and thank you, Sue Frost and
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Shesta for having Michael here. Stephen over to you.
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Yeah, thanks, Joe. So, Michael, so it's a bit tough listening to you as a medical doctor.
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And what I did in the last four years, but it's not about me, it's about what you've done.
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It is tough and it's difficult to kind of think of the right questions. But
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and so I just wonder, it seems to me that people talk about good food, and they talk about this,
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and they're preparing financially and but they forget the most basic requirement of human beings.
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And that is not just the nuclear family, but the extended family. And the extended family has been
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lost in Western countries. And that seems to be the problem to me, I've honed in on,
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I mean, obviously, it's so obvious that you miss it. But it's caused people to be isolated, even
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when they're in a nuclear family. And that's put extra pressure on the nuclear family. So
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my mother used to quote, she had a quote saying, it takes a village to bring up a child, you need
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a village to bring up a child. And I think that the extended family was very, very important.
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It doesn't exist hardly in the UK now that everybody's moving around. So their relatives
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are increasingly seen as invasions, their privacy, you know, inconveniences. So they want everything
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to be convenient. They never think about the repercussions of things that they might do,
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the law of unintended consequences. And it seems to me that human beings are their biggest enemy,
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because they have lost the most precious thing that they had, which was the extended family.
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anyway, because in this modern world, which is very unwise, of course, because there's no extended
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family, it's very inconvenient to have people within the family prying into your privacy in
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inverted commas. So it's all about you and being selfish. And now people are very surprised about
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what has happened. Some of us are, and they're struggling for answers, you know, and they say,
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well, it's all about the medical system. Well, it's not all about the medical system. It's all
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about food, good food. It's not all about good food. You can't be healthy if you haven't got an
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extended family. I think that is the truth. And I know from my own, we've got three children,
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but the pressures on the nuclear family, our nuclear family, were huge, you know. And so
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initially, we had my grandmother was alive. So she but she lived to 105. And, but I remember,
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as a child, we used to go there. And there were always people at my grandmother's on a Sunday and
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a Saturday, for that matter. And that was very comforting to a child, it was difficult to know
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why we like to go to see my grandmother, because there were so many people there. But you saw all
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these people and in a family of say, 50 people, an extended family of 50 people,
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you're going to have some a couple of weird people, if you're honest. And that was a kind
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of training ground for children about teaching tolerance, do you understand me? But now everybody
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seeking for people who agree with them, when actually that's not very helpful to human beings
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from a psychological point of view. So I just wonder, you know, and also, I think
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you've straddled two civilizations on the one hand, you got you, I think you were you born in
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China, Michael, or were you born in Taiwan? My Taiwan, I was born in Taiwan, my parents are from
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China, my grandparents are from China. Yeah. So Taiwan is Formosa, which
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formerly is part of China and broke away from China. Is that from nationalist China? And
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China and? Yeah, when the communists and the Kuomintang when they were fighting back in 1949,
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and the Republic of China, they were losing the war and they kind of fled over to Taiwan.
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And that's how Taiwan was. It was a Japanese colony before that it was Dutch colony.
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The name comes from, what was his name? Tchaikovsky or something.
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Yan Kai-shek. Yan Kai-shek, yeah. So who was he exactly? Can you?
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Well, he's kind of like a the royal warlord that the US was supporting during World War II,
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fighting against the Japanese. And he was very, very corrupt. And he lost the support of the people.
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But Mao Zedong had the support of the people. And that's how they were able to overtake China
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and kick the warlord over to Taiwan. Yeah. So without oversimplifying things,
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it may be very difficult because you've lived most all your life in the US. Is that correct?
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Since I was 14. Oh, since 14. OK, so you do remember Taiwan. Wow. And so China seems to be very
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difficult to understand, especially when you've never been there, haven't been there. I'd like to
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go there or to have been there. That would be helpful because I have been to the Soviet Union
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when it was the Soviet Union. And that was a pretty amazing experience. But anyway,
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so China seems to be very, so people say, oh, it's very traditional, you know, and you have a lot of
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kind of culture. And from the outside, at least it looks so the Chinese culture is as strong as
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the Japanese culture. And that's pretty strong. So but on the other hand, if you had to pick one
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country in the world which has been overtaken by totalitarianism or something close to it,
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you'd say it was China. And I just wondered what you'd say about that. And is that why you were
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fighting what was happening in California so passionately? Did you see did you see what was
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coming to China to America? Oh, yeah, definitely. What's going on in the world now, especially with
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all the woke, calling everyone a racist and racism, one that's it's basically it's
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the Cultural Revolution 101 in China, right, where you turn everything upside down. One plus
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one is equal to three. Yeah, black. Now it's white. So you create a huge psychological confusion.
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And once you create confusion, male is now female, female is now male. Right? Yeah, absolutely.
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Basic stuff. It's just, you know, Cultural Revolution 101. I saw it coming. That's the reason why I said
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in March 2020, you know, our enemy has brought us down to our knees without firing a shot.
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I'm often wondering, are they Chinese agents? Or do they have something to gain by not criticizing
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China? I do remember there was a Chris Patton was had a wrote a book. He was the last governor of
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Hong Kong. 1997. They gave over Hong Kong. I was amazed that Britain just handed over Hong Kong.
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I didn't care what was agreed before. The fact was that the people of Hong Kong didn't want to
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be handed over to China. So why did we do it? And so the governor of last governor of Hong Kong,
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his name is Chris Patton, very able. I don't particularly like him now. But he was wrote a
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book. And he was working with publishers in the UK. And it and it was pulled at the last moment.
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And the so the story went that it was critical of China. And Patton was incensed, allegedly,
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you know, maybe he's working as a double agent, I don't know. And, but the publisher, the editor
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who'd been working with Chris Patton was one of the most senior editors in, in the in the publishing
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firm, and if not the most senior, and he resigned over it. Now, that could have been a play as well,
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you know, the whole the world's the stage. Shakespeare said that long ago. And we are but
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actors with exits and entrances or something like that. So I just wonder, what is the truth
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about China? Why are people make within the West making excuses for China? When it seems to me that
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exactly what has happened in in New York State and California, in particular in the United States,
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they are the ones being consumed by Chinese style totalitarianism. And nobody talks about the fact
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that lockdowns were, as far as I understood, created invented by the Chinese. And then you've
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got not just the Great Cultural Revolution of 1968 to 1975 was it, you've got the great leap
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forward, but you've got Mao's March. And if you had to pick one country which killed more people
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than China, per head of population now, you'd be hard pushed to find a place worse than China,
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possibly Russia, but you know, the Soviet Union, Stalin's Russia. But I just wondered what you,
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there are lots of points there. But sure. So to answer your questions, first, going back to the
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family. I think many of you are familiar with the concept of blu zone. Blue zone, there are a couple
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areas in the world where people live relatively disease free way past 90. And these are, there's
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an island in Japan, there's Loma Linda in California. And there's an island over at Italy,
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where people will live long and relative disease free. And one of the most common thing is that
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there is a very, very strong family connection. I think respecting the elderly, living amongst a
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big family have a close knit support is very important for good health. So as far as China,
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US, Britain, Australia globally, what's going on now, America, we are declining empire. So just
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like British, just like Dutch, you probably are familiar with the cycle where you kind of get
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strongs and decline and strong and decline and whatnot. So the British basically took over the
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Dutch Empire. And then America took over the British Empire. And right now we, America is
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on a decline. So going back to my first case, I fought with the medical board where the parents
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was doing something injuring their children, munchausen by proxy. Why is that important?
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I think there's a disease that's pervasive. It's almost like munchausen by proxy in a global scale,
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in a national scale, that we like to see ourselves suffer and people get joy from that.
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We don't like to see people succeed. We like to see people suffer.
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We tend to shoot ourselves in the foot. We want to push poverty. We want to push crime. We want to
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push racism, this divisive stuff amongst each other to see ourselves fight.
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And it brings people joy. And I think that's a very troublesome trend. So my family are from China,
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and I still remember my grandmom was born in the early 1900s, and she had to be forced to bound her
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feet to be a very, very small size. It's a very outdated Chinese practice, which is very barbaric.
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But she's a strong woman. During the World War II, where the communist soldier will
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break into her home with a bayonet to her throat, asking where my grandfather has hit weapons to
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fight the Japanese. And they want the weapons. They want the bombs. And she will not tell them,
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she's that brave. And she said an example for me that I need to be brave for my village,
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for my community. So when all this COVID mess came about, I had the example to follow.
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I remember what my grandma would do in life and death situations. So I was able to remember,
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I need to be brave and do the right thing. So why is it that we don't raise up the
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obvious stuff about our other foreign country, be it China, be it other country that do things
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are harming us? It's because I think in US, globally, we have a lot of domestic enemies.
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I'd like to see their own populace suffer, be it for their own gangs, be it monchalance and by proxy.
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You know, America, you can see with the Ukraine war, we could easily end the war
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by not pushing NATOs through Ukraine, but we don't want to. We are very happy to see
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hundreds and thousands of Ukrainian and Soviet young men killing each other. We can easily
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backed out and say, hey, that's not Putin nukes over Ukraine, just like we don't want Russia to
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put nukes over at Mexico, Tijuana, Mexico. But we don't do that. We keep on pushing these
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types of things. I think US government, I'm talking about US because I'm from US,
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we are basically bullies now throughout the world. We do things to aggravate other countries
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instead of helping other countries like during World War II. I still remember a story where my
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grandma would tell us, yeah, we see the American planes flying around and shooting down Japanese
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zeros. Well, we had to run from the Japanese zeros, gaining strength. Those were fantastic
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stories, but we don't hear that nowadays. We hear about United States bullying other countries,
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fighting wars that doesn't need to be fought, invading countries,
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sovereign countries that we have no right to be in. So I think as a nature,
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country-wise, we are injuring our own people, be it through these tobacco vaccination,
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be it through war, but I think it's something that's very evil and very toxic.
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Absolutely. Yeah, not only that, I think that they are trying to sow division
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everywhere, particularly the family. They've succeeded and people don't even realize why
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they're so unhappy. And the real reason they're unhappy is because they don't know who they can
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trust because they haven't got their family around them. They haven't got their nuclear family and
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they haven't got, more importantly possibly, the extended family because the nuclear family cannot
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survive without the extended family. So people moving all around the world,
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yeah, it's very interesting, but I wonder whether it's good for human beings in the long run. And I
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think that we'd better get start getting things right and understanding what has happened and
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what we're going to do about it because I don't think it's very long because we're going to end
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up like the mice in the universe 25 experiment. When the mice populations started declining,
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this was performed in the 60s, by the way, it was repeated 25 times. I thought that 25 related to
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2025, but actually it was because the experiment was so important in the mind of the one person
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doing it that he had to repeat it 25 times to make sure it was correct. So anyway, the point was that
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the mice, as far as I can understand, they got divided into, they weren't divided, but
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it's happened that they kind of formed groups. And one of the groups were the males who didn't
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want sex with the females. And the females would take it out on this male group. The females were
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not happy that the males weren't interested in them sexually because this is nature, you know?
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And so I'm thinking as a medical doctor, what on earth was that experiment about? What was it? So
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why was it so important? I think what they did, they were trying to find whether they could
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remove the will to live from mice. And the thing is, well, people say, ah, but that was just about
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mice. We're human beings. But I think it's the same thing. I think that we've seen it in the
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last four and a half years, you know, people look to me as a medical doctor, I observed very
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carefully because we live near the sea in North Wales. And I can go down to the promenade, which
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is new. I've got a new promenade with European money just before Brexit. And it's absolutely
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amazing there. And loads of people go there. And it's like a human zoo, because they're
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transfixed by the sea. They're all looking out to sea. And I can just observe all these people. But
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Michael, they're lost. They are completely lost. If you try to engage them in conversation,
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they look surprised that someone's talked. And this is by the sea, you know, not all, but
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but they are like children. The adults are like children. I think it's not surprising. I really
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think the signs are there for everyone to see that people are losing the will to live.
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All right, come on, come on. That's enough. That's 18 minutes.
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Well, anyway, so Charles, yeah, so I want to hear what Michael says about them.
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Okay. So it's interesting that you brought that experiment. If you look at all the developed
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country, if you look at the birth rate, and that experiment is pretty accurate,
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you can see the drastic decline in birth rate, especially in South Korea, in Taiwan, in China,
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in Japan, in America, in Britain, Australia, which is not producing enough offspring to replace
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us, the people that are here. But if you look at the developing country, where they are still
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trying to get better, still trying to grow, their birth rate are, you know, three or four
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children per couple. So I think human nature have a way it's like a sickly event, you have the rise
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to power and prosperity. And once you get there, when things are comfortable, just looking at
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rooms, there's a way there in Tennessee that we want to destroy ourself and prepare for the next,
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whatever that region or property or country to rise and then destroy ourself. It doesn't mean that
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us, the developed country are on absolutely on a decline. But I think if, you know, we need to do
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whatever we can to protect our property, to protect our family and our home. And I think that was
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another reason I decided, yeah, my career is on the line, but I need to protect my community.
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That's why I went ahead and help hundreds and thousands of people that need help. But again,
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you know, going back to that mice experiment, I'm only one mice out of hundreds and thousands of
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physicians out there that's willing to do this. So, you know, the trend is, it's not promising.
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So do you think that, are you familiar with that?
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Come on, Charles, this is a very important point.
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It's important that you say, I did it.
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Okay, well another minute. So, you know very well that the universe 25 experiment could be
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actually highly relevant, Charles. So why are you interrupting?
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So anyway, because you've been going for 20 minutes, that's why.
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Well, are we slaves of the clock, Charles, for goodness sake?
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No, we're not slaves of the clock. We are passionate people and we follow our passions.
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Okay, so Michael, what do you say? Is the universe 25 experiment important or not?
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I think it's very important. I think that really translates to our society, our life nowadays.
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We need to take a whole look at ourselves. Are we the mice that's biting off other mice's tails
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in their head and their ears? Why are we doing this in harming ourselves?
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We need to think, why are we pushing wars all across the Middle East into Russia and Ukraine?
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Why are we doing this? Why are we willing to watch, you know, us killing each other?
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So we need to learn from our lesson. If we don't, it will be just as bad as the mice.
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Absolutely. So thank you very much, Michael.
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Thank you, Stephen. Darya, we've got hands up and others will have lots of questions.
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Darn it. Give me just a second. I'm going to get out of this other phone. Okay, there.
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I got that muted too. The reason I had my phone out here is because what I want to do is real quick.
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I've got a I have this going so I don't talk too long. Five minutes and 10 seconds. I just
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bought this at the dollar store last week. Anyway, so let me just let me just read this. So my
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questions, you know, kind of leads up to it, but it's hopefully quick. So Michael, thank you for
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being here. The point I wanted to make was that in my mind as a doctor, I'm trying to keep this up
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here. So I should have printed it that the that's a peanut butter jar. I'm holding my phone on.
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There we go. The real Psyop actually started for us in pre med and med school. As fortunate as I was
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to have graduated from Indiana University, got the shirt here. In 1987, my neurosurgery graduation
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was in 1993 from the Cleveland Clinic. And at that early in 1993, the cancer of wokeness was already
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spreading. As a neurosurgical resident, the 120 hour work weeks, including 40 on 40 hour on call
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workdays, no lie, insulated me from the early woke ideology creeping into the educational leadership
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at the Cleveland Clinic and in hospital administrations. By the way, my undergrad was in
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pharmacy, not pre med. So I'm a pharmacist too. So I know about industry. And the point was self
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deprogramming of the industrial pharma and medicine cartels infiltration into health care
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training and was enough of a challenge in the 90s. So for me, I was already starting to see it.
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But one of the things and I think I bring this up. Yeah, I do. The professional duty of
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clinicians is to the improvement of their patients health conditions.
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It is computerized modern medical care environment. The greatest challenge in this computerized
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modern medical care environment, the greatest challenge is to remain doggedly persistent
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in doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. For example, when we were hit with
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in my practice in neurosurgery practice, it was around 2004, I think that the pain is a fifth vital
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sign, flawed rhetoric did not make any sense to me. Like likely because I wouldn't go along with
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that. I continued to manage my post neurosurgical care pain patients the same way that I likely
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saved thousands of patients from narcotic addiction during my 20 and a half year career.
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We have seen firsthand that these worldly global collectivist agendas are a direct threat to patient
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lives and immortal souls. How difficult is it for a younger clinician like you subjected to woke
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educational institutions completely controlled by the medical government pharma industrial cartel
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to sort through the morass of regulations and corporate pressures to navigate their patients
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healing and recovery. And first of all, do no harm. So that's one question. And the last question is
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how has your experience guided your success for the mission all workers in the healing arts
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with continued self-education to apply the valid techniques that we learned in school,
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including tests and training of some areas of modern medicine while rejecting the false
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medical dogmas from the indoctrination factories of college medicine and residency training,
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which puts patient health and well-being as a last priority. Thank you. I did it.
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Thanks for the question, Darya. I think I'm glad that you mentioned that you're from
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university or you train at university in Indiana. My internship at university in Indiana was the
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best training ever. Why is it? It's not because it's easy, because it was hard.
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It was super hard. I still remember that as a young intern, I had to take care of
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50 plus ICU patients, three floors in Indianapolis, the Methodist hospital. And that's how I
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became tough. I think nowadays, as you were that the young physician residents, they have our
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restriction now that they had to get a certain amount of sleep. I think it's a great idea,
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but I think they are soft. And when they do graduate, they are not ready to be on their own
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and to be independent. And back to your question about pushing narcotics, pain is a fifth vital.
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I think that was horrible. And anybody can see it if you can see and think clearly. And I still
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remember when I first started working at Kaiser, and I will inherit these patients that had
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prescription of 300 nocals pills a month, 300. And that's just one of the few example I can list.
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And I try so hard to win enough narcotics. So what does a patient do? The number one goal is
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it's not making patient healthy anymore. The number one goal is making patient happy.
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So I get patient complaints after patient complaint after patient complaint. Every year,
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I have a stack this thick of patient complaints. Oh, Dr. Huang is not giving me my narcotic pain
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medicine. Dr. Huang is winning me off my Percocet, off my Fericid and stuff like that.
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But the patient that do listen to me or listen to my recommendation actually became very thankful
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that yes, it is we did a hard thing. And also we did the right thing. And they were eventually
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healthier than before. I think for young physician is extremely hard. First, they are trained to be
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soft. They're not trained to be hard and tough and think on their feet too. They are trained to make
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quote unquote patient happy inside patient healthy. And I think we forgot about that.
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That first, not only do we not do harm, we got to do everything we can to make patient healthy and
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whole. That means, yes, they're not going to like or listen to what you had to say to them.
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But I think as a practitioner, this is the first thing that we need to remember.
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It's not to make if your financial advisor is not to make your customer happy. Yes, you can
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go out and buy that Ferrari. You can go out and buy that million dollar resort, but you're going
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to be poor. I don't recommend you to do it. But I'm too afraid to say it because I don't want my
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customer to be unhappy with me. So I encourage them to spend all the money that they have
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instead of putting into a better investment. So I think that's something that we need to keep in mind.
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Are you a member of AAPS by American Association of Physicians and Surgeons?
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Oh, I'm not. I try to stay out of these type of organization.
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Well, this is going out for me. Yeah, no, these are the good guys. A lot of our presenters on this
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Zoom call have our members of AAPS. So if you go to aapsonline.org, I already texted the
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manager administrator, Jeremy, and asked him to watch for your referral. But I highly recommend
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it. It's independent physicians. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Daria, what's that website? Can you
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put that website in the chat again, please? Yeah, I sure will. Thank you, Daria. Thank you for the
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question. Thank you. OK, Sue, I like all these red showing up on the screen. John Baudwin's in red
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and Sue's in red and Daria is in red. Michael Red is the color of passion, you see, and John's got
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red socks. The old Bostons. I haven't even read here. Yes, put on your red hat. In fact, there you
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are. There you are, Michael. Leave and put on my red hat. I'm from communist China if I wear
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something red. Switzerland. Thanks, Daria. Sue. Hi, Michael. Great talk. Very informative. And I
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love the way you think. I think you would have been a great senator, by the way. But I wanted
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to ask you a little bit about Western medicine and your thoughts. You have an inside view of
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what goes on in the medical system. And I've talked with people before who have told me that
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these hospital systems have to get something like 38 or 9, you know, permits or licenses renewed
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every year. And if they don't go by the rules of the CDC and, you know, all the way down,
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they can lose their licensing and they won't be a hospital. And I wonder if you can just speak
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a little bit too, because it's always been for me, if I, you know, I was so excited that you were my
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doctor because I trusted you. I trusted your judgment. And since you left, I haven't got
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another doctor. I don't even want to go anywhere near that place, you know. I just pray to God I
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don't get sick so I don't need anything. But can doctors practice medicine anymore or are they just
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have they been reduced to being a technician? And, you know, you mentioned that, you know,
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I know you as a person who looks to, you know, if someone has a dilemma, you're looking at the
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symptoms and what's the root cause and going after the root cause. And I know you're all about
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prevention. You're an athlete and you believe in health, healthful living. You made a comment
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in your video that said if you ever come back, it will be different. And so I wonder what you mean
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by that. Does that mean you'll come back, you know, and it won't be, you know, petroleum-based,
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you know, you know, Western medicine, pill pusher medicine, go by the rules technician guy.
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I'm sorry to be so, to all the doctors on the call, I'm not trying to be offensive. That's just,
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it feels that way right now. It feels like that's what medicine has digressed to. I wonder if you
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can speak to this. Sure. Oh, I'm sure that we have many, many wonderful and brilliant physicians
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on call right now. And I, you know, I really admire what everybody does. But going back to
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primary care physician of my practice, we're basically just gatekeeper, especially there's so
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1:12:29
few of us that dare to venture out and do private practice. That means we have more of a say
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in promoting health. We shall just, you know, follow a set rule. When I worked for Kaiser and
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1:12:43
I also worked for Southern Medical Group for a little while. And there are things or, you know,
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measure that we had to meet. You got to prescribe certain amount of cholesterol medicine.
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1:12:55
You got to get the patient under a certain amount of blood pressure measurements, which
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may be a good thing. But again, you know, it's a very, very strict and it doesn't allow you to
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think outside of the box, right? So you're different, you know, you're different from
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1:13:13
your sister. You're different from your cousin. You're different from your friend. When you come
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1:13:20
to my office, I look at you as an individual. So I tailor your health according to what I feel like
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1:13:29
you may need. So as you say, I'm into sports. As you well know, I used to race cars. In Formula
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1, you have race engineer. And that's what I see myself as a physician and your race engineer.
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I would recommend that you break at this point, that you're going to, you know, turn into this
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berm. And I can recommend how you should drive to finish the race first for Sue, okay? Not for anyone
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else, not for Kaiser, not for Sutter, not for my own monetary gain. So it's for you. So it's very
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sad nowadays that I had known cardiologists who they believe cholesterol medicine, statin,
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1:14:11
can actually harm their patients, but they are afraid to say it. Why is that? Because they're
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able to promote that. They can actually get fired, right? Cholesterol medicine, I really feel like,
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you know, just we're picking on cholesterol now. I really don't think that cholesterol,
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it's really the villain that we need to worry about. It's actually sugar. It's actually inactivity.
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It's actually the trunk obesity, the fat that we have around your belly that we need to worry
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about. And statin has many, many side effects, including dementia, many, many other things.
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I actually help my patient come off statin. If I work for managed care, now I'll be in trouble,
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right? I'm not going to get my bonus at the end of the year because I don't prescribe enough
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of these statin medications. So when I say if I ever do come back, it's going to be different.
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I still haven't decided if I ever want to come back to medicine, just because of the risks of
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1:15:08
being reported as so high. It doesn't matter where, even if I go to Idaho, even if I go to Texas,
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I know many physician in Texas, they're licensed in Jeopardy because they treat the COVID patients.
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1:15:22
So hopefully the licensure places, the medical boards are really not to be trusted. They have
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1:15:28
basically been bought, like you said, by the pharmaceutical company. They are pushing a certain
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type of agenda and only vaccine and vaccine only and nothing else. Forget about eating whole food,
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eating fruits and vegetables and exercising, get out to the sun for 15 minutes a day and
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1:15:45
work up a sweat. Nobody ever talks about that anymore. So I think as a physician, if I ever
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practice again, I want to be able to do it in a way that I don't have to always look
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behind my back if someone's going to stab me. What I can really take you on, Sue, that you're my
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1:16:03
patient. What's best for you? What's best for you that you can finish first? And I'll give you my
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1:16:10
recommendation, be it something pleasant that you are happy to hear or maybe something that's very
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1:16:16
offensive that you don't want to hear. But you know what? I'm your race engineer and I was going
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to think about what's best for you. I think that should be how we think and practice,
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be a physician or financial advisor or engineer or home improvement person.
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1:16:36
I would just think about put our client first. Well said, Michael. Sue, thank you for the
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question. Michael, my definition of health, most people don't have a definition of health.
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1:16:47
I've been involved in health since 1965, even though I was a lawyer. Health is the unique,
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1:16:54
ties into what you just said, health is the unique optimal balance for each one of us of mental,
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1:17:02
physical and spiritual elements. And the whole EBM model and protocol model is clearly so flawed.
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1:17:06
And Sue, it's lovely of you not to want to offend anybody. We're not in the offense industry here,
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so it doesn't apply. So don't worry. People can be offended as much as they like. We don't give her
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rats. We lovingly don't give a shit. Okay. Thank you, Sue. Rose.
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I'd like to make a comment to what Daria said and then to Michael. And then I have a question for
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you, Michael. Daria, thank you for bringing up the stupid pain fifth vital sign. I have been
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1:17:37
screaming about that. And the stupid, what is your pain scale one to 10 is the most idiotic
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question out there. So thank you for bringing that up. And I met a wonderful surgeon from UCLA,
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and I was talking to him about five years ago and he goes, Rose, I was taught in medical school. So
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you know, that was long before, oh, you don't need a stethoscope. You don't need to touch your patient,
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1:18:01
just run a bunch of tests. So the bottom line is, is in Western medicine here in the US,
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it's no clinical diagnosis, no investigation, just load them up with a bunch of useless tests,
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which I call the shotgun approach, and then load them up with drugs. So Michael, one of the things
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I wanted to let you know, and the other doctors on the call, I've written an oath for healers,
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and it's going back to the original Hippocratic oath, but I've modified it. So it's on my blog,
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so everybody's welcome to go to that. So Michael, the question I have for you,
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in your early treatment, what were you focused on? And were you aware of the 2010 publication
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by one of the co-authors Ralph Barak regarding zinc and isonophores?
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1:18:50
Okay. Thanks, Rose, for the question. First, I want to mention, I can tell you how often when I see a
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new patient that there will be the comments is I'm so shocked. He actually asked me to undress in
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Senegal and that you actually touch me and do physical exam. I think physician nowadays,
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like you said, many physician be a graduate from UCLA, they really don't examine the patient anymore.
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They just run a bunch of tests and thinking that something may come up. I think medicine is still
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1:19:24
an art. We just like, you know, you find a mechanic, someone bringing a car and I don't open
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1:19:30
the hood and look under the hood and look at the engine. Right. And what kind of mechanic am I? So
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I think as a physician, I think I'm ashamed to say that many primary care physicians just don't
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do their job anymore. So going back to zinc and whatnot, I'm not aware of that publication or study,
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1:19:53
but what I usually normally tell my patient when I first start seeing COVID like symptoms in late
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2019 is I knew that, you know, especially that I'm the experienced working at a hospital and I knew
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1:20:07
that intubating patient is the last resort. You never want to do it because you're not going to
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1:20:13
do it because when patients' lungs are inflamed, it's very fragile. It's like blowing out a balloon
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1:20:21
that can pop anytime. So when Governor Cuomo was trying to push ventilator on COVID patients,
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I told my staff, that's the stupid things that anybody can say. Anybody that get on the
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1:20:34
ventilator with COVID is going to die because you're going to burst that lung. So my approach is you
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look at the disease and I knew that when people have a COVID lung, their lungs are fragile.
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So you want to reduce that inflammation. How do we reduce it? Anything, anything, be it kitchen
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1:20:53
sink, whatever you can do to reduce that inflammation. Zinc, magnesium, vitamin C
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supplement, vitamin D, perinosome, Z-Pak, antibiotic, inhaler. That's how I treated my patient
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1:21:12
ever since COVID started. It's funny to say, but I didn't start using ivermectin until probably 2022
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because there are so many other resources I can use to treat it. How about NAC and glutathione?
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Were you also looking at that? I'm sorry? Were you also looking at NAC and glutathione?
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1:21:30
No, I didn't look at it because I'm not familiar with it. So I hate to admit that I am limited as
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far as what I'm familiar with or what I'm comfortable with. But I'm sure that there's
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many other resources, there's many other reagents that's very effective in reducing inflammation.
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1:21:48
And again, one thing I want to mention, Rose, not only did I provide exemption, I actually treated
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COVID vaccine adverse reactions. I actually successfully treated hundreds of people.
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1:22:01
And my success rate is over 95%. This gentleman that had a five booster shot because he needed
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1:22:07
a shot to go visit his elderly patient in a nursing home. And both of his parents passed away and he
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1:22:14
ended up developing a dilated cardiomyopathy where his heart ballooned up and his heart ejection
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1:22:22
fraction went down from 65%, which is normal, down to 15%. His cardiologist, Ovi Kaiser, totally
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1:22:26
rolled him off. Said, oh, you need to be on a pacemaker. We're going to put you on five
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1:22:33
different medications. Came and saw me. So my strategy is, okay, we've got to reduce the spike
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1:22:40
protein cytotoxicity. So I gave him Ivermitein, I gave him fluoxamine. I reduced his inflammation.
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1:22:48
I gave him very, very low dose Prenazone. His heart ejection fraction actually went up from 15% to 45%
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1:22:56
before I closed my office. So this is just an example. I use the tools that I am familiar with
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and I do have to admit my ignorance. I'm a scientist. So there's a lot of things I do not know
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1:23:08
that I am wrong. So Rose, you bring up a lot of points that's very valid, very good, which I'm
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not familiar with. So I'm proud of that. That makes you a good physician because you'll always
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be learning. Like you said, it's an art and we're always going to be discovering new things.
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One last thing I wanted to share with you. I just dealt with a case this past week,
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50 year old heart attack, the hospital let his troponin go from 700 upon admission.
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They didn't check his troponin quickly. It went up to over 1500 by the next morning.
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1:23:45
And then they were slamming him and yelling at him. You got to control your cholesterol. You've
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got to control your blood pressure. They put them on two statins, a beta blocker and a calcium
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1:24:01
channel blocker. His normal blood pressure is 106 over 70 and his cholesterol was like 145 and his
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triglycerides were like half of what they needed to be. They didn't look at the patient and I'm
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like, look, they didn't even look at your CAT scan that you got gastritis and a possible duodenitis
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1:24:16
and you've got a kidney stone. I'm like, what could have caused all three things?
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1:24:21
And they're like, oh, it's his cholesterol. I'm like, no, it's not. And they just rubber
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stamped him and sent him off to die basically. And I'm like, you know, what about a heavy
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metal toxicity, which may have caused all of your condition. They rubber stamped him and sent him
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1:24:41
home with five new drugs. That's a reason like what Sue said, people are afraid to go to the
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1:24:47
hospital nowadays. Hospitals are actually one of the most dangerous places you can go. Unfortunately,
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1:24:52
there are times I can save your life, but oftentimes they may make a lot of mistake and kill you.
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Oh yeah. So thank you. I appreciate everything that you've done.
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1:25:03
Thank you, Rose. Now we go back to the UK, Michael, to Janet.
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1:25:13
Hi, Michael. I'm a retired GP in the UK. I'm just wondering, did you think that COVID-19 was a novel
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1:25:19
disease? How did you diagnose it? What were the symptoms and signs that you were coming across
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1:25:25
and did they vary from patient to patient? And then what treatments did you employ? I think maybe
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you covered the last bit in the previous question. Hi, Janet. Yeah, that kind of brings back memory.
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1:25:40
I did a month of rotation over England and I still remember I can't believe that the patients were so
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1:25:49
nice to me and they were spitting on my face. So that's one thing I really appreciated. So back in 2019,
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just like any other cold and flu season, every year is different. And when I started treating
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1:26:03
the COVID patients, it was very easily managed. So is it new? I would say yes. It's a variant
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1:26:11
strain of a flu. It could be. The tests that we had to run to quote unquote confront COVID-19,
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1:26:20
I think, is a bunch of BS. This is something that China or US or Fauci has intentionally
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1:26:28
quote unquote spread, maybe. But I think the bottom line is, the most important thing is
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1:26:34
we can treat this. Were you basically just seeing a pneumonitis? You were seeing a pneumonia,
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1:26:43
basically, in these patients? Yes, yes. That's it. And I hate to say it's kind of boring.
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1:26:50
Some people call me great. You're such a wonderful physician, but I feel kind of ashamed because I
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1:26:57
didn't do anything new. I just did what worked. So is it a novel virus? Is it so new that we had
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1:27:04
never seen before? I don't believe so. Right. So you didn't think that these
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1:27:10
pneumonia patients were very different from what you'd seen before. But despite that,
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you didn't just treat with steroids and antibiotics. You actually gave them a lot of other things as
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well. I just treated with a standard protocol with community acquired pneumonia. You know,
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1:27:28
if I needed pre-nazone, very low dose, short course, antibiotic, and everybody got better.
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1:27:35
Yeah. And if you ask my patient, they'll be saying, yeah, Dr. Huang, I'm tired of him telling me
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to stop eating junk, get out, lose weight and exercise. You know, that's. I think what,
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Michael, I think what Janet's driving up, because I'm British, so I kind of pick up on,
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I think she's driving it. Was there any symptom in your view, which was pathognomonic for COVID-19?
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Not really. I do have to say. So was there a disease called COVID-19?
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1:28:07
I'm sorry? So my question to you. So I don't think there was a pandemic, but I also don't
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1:28:13
think there was any disease called COVID-19. It was an invention. They wanted to create fear,
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and that's exactly what they did. I get this question quite a bit. Is a lab created? Is it
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1:28:26
manmade? Is it really COVID-19? I do have to say, if you were to take COVID-19 out of the picture
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and never say that there's a pandemic, I don't think that we will miss a beat.
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Absolutely. 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 will be the same as any other year that we have cold and flu.
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1:28:49
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Janet. Jack, go back to the US now. Michael?
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1:29:04
So Janet wasn't there. Michael, I was very impressed that you listened so closely to your grandmother.
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1:29:17
I have to. I wish my grandchildren would do the same for me. But what I'm most interested in is
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all those patients who came to you for exemptions, who intuitively recognized that there was
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1:29:33
something amiss here, something unbelievable, something they distrusted, and they came to you
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1:29:39
for those exemptions, upon, of course, severe threats by the government and the Falsies.
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Did you notice anything that distinguished these from the rest of the population?
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Of the people that came for me for exemptions?
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1:29:55
Yeah. I'm a psychologist, and that's what I'm looking at, especially.
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1:30:03
Sure. People that came for me for exemption, they mostly are from the frontline workers,
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1:30:10
tons of nurses, even physicians, that came to me for exemptions. The funny story is I saw a pair
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1:30:16
of podiatrists at Kaiser, and they were about to lose their job. And I gave them an exemption,
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1:30:21
and they were able to keep their employment. And a year down the road, my son broke his foot,
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1:30:28
and their surgeon was the surgeon I provided the exemption for. So I really believe in karma,
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1:30:32
that whatever you do, it's going to come back, either punish you or reward you.
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1:30:38
As far as the people that came for me for exemptions, I think most of them,
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1:30:47
they have an open mind, and most of them have seen their colleagues and friends hurt from the COVID
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1:30:54
shots, especially the firefighters. Gosh, they were getting answering calls to people's homes
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1:31:01
that just had a vaccine shot and had a massive heart attack or stroke. And I will hear a story
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1:31:08
like this over and over again. So these are the people that have seen firsthand the adverse
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1:31:13
reaction from the shots. From the kids that want to have the mask exemption, they're basically from
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1:31:19
my community. My community in California is Ronan, California. So it's very conservative.
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1:31:28
Now today, I think the mask is very political. If Trump was elected president in 2020,
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1:31:36
he'd come out and say, hey, everybody get the shot because this is the project Warp Speed.
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1:31:42
Everybody wear a mask, it's great for you. And literally, we're going to see just the opposite
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1:31:50
today. Most people in the liberal will say, we never want to get a shot. People deliver your
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1:31:57
grocery, like what Stephen said. We'll probably not wear a mask. They will have blue hair and not
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wear a mask. So I think mask or no mask is political. And unfortunately, in Asia,
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1:32:11
they're quite superstitious and Chinese. So somehow Asians love to wear a mask.
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1:32:17
If you go to Japan, everybody's got a mask on. If you go to Taiwan, everybody got a mask on.
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1:32:23
And I just want to grab them by their shirt and scream at them and tell them to get the thing off.
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It doesn't do anything for viral transmission. So yeah, I would say people that come to me for
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exemptions, they kind of have a hunch of what's going on. And because it's political, most people
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are more the Republican or conservative, if you're in America, than the liberal. But I have seen
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people that are hardcore Democrats and liberal, they're literally coming, vaccine injured,
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they need to get an exemption. So I've seen that too. Yeah.
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Well, in the phase of this terror campaign, what Stephen, I think correctly described as a
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campaign of terror against the public, these people were willing to trust their own hunch.
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And of course, the minute you speak up, you're challenged about that. And these
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these authority figures, official appointed authority figures are telling you that you're
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wrong. And yet these are all people who are willing to trust their own hunch, their own judgment.
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So I'm going to read something to you. Right now, the medical board is going out for me for providing
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COVID vaccine exemption for firefighters. They accused me of basically violating the standard
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of care. So this is the standard of care they quoted from the California Department of Public
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Health. They say unvaccinated person are more likely to get infected and spread the virus,
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1:34:07
which is transmitted through the air. Most current hospitalizations and deaths are among the
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1:34:14
unvaccinated person. Thanks to vaccination and to measure since taking March 2020,
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California's health care system is currently able to address the increase in cases and
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hospitalization. However, additionally, statewide facility direct measure are necessary to protect
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particularly vulnerable population, ensure a sufficient consistent supply of workers in
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high risk healthcare setting. So the quote unquote standard of care is unvaccinated,
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you're going to get sick and vaccinated people are protected. And they never say anything about
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staying healthy, exercise, eat whole fruit, nothing. All those assertions of theirs are untrue.
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And if you they're documentably untrue. If you have faith in the government,
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you're gonna listen to them because that's the standard of care, which I will have to say it is
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so wrong. Yeah, absolutely. In my own experience, I've been a rebel most of my life. When I was in
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1:35:28
the army during the Vietnam War, I was a rebel against that. But that's one of the things that
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brought the Vietnam War to a close. There's a book written about it called soldiers and revolt.
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And a film made about it called Sir No Sir.
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1:35:47
Jack, can I ask you whether it's ever got in Vietnam? Did it ever get to the officers
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shooting their men? Sorry? Yeah, that was shooting the officers. Yes. That was called fragging.
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Yeah. Yeah, their officers would send them off on assignments that were had very high risk of death.
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There were forces, cover forces that have been pulled out. This was not just a matter of
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ideological disbelief. It was a matter of self-preservation. So they just killed the
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officers. Yes. But and I've been told by military people, that when it gets to that stage,
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that's the end of the war. And it's absolutely right. And there was a huge support growing at
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home for that too. So these guys came home to a welcome, not to a disgrace. Yes, exactly.
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But what does it take? I mean, look, see, that was probably the very first time I started
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questioning the government. And I've been questioning it about everything ever since.
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And but you can go back to World War Two. I was just a little kid. And I remember thinking,
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why the hell did they drop two atom bombs? And why did they even drop one atom bomb on human beings?
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1:37:20
Why not drop it on rice field to show what it would do? So there's a there's a
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disposition among some of us to simply question people who make declarations from positions of
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authority. All right, Jack, we're gonna keep moving. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Jack,
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for your observations as a psychologist. JB. And with experience of war.
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That's me. Yep. Dr. Michael, how are you? I'm John Baudouin. I apologize. I missed
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a large part of the beginning of your presentation. I have to agree with, you know, everything,
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as most people here. Well, you brought up the masks. People here, you know,
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everybody else, please know that I have some really good evidence court ready that is state
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1:38:31
FOIA from Massachusetts. A lot of people may have heard in the news in 2020 in March, April,
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that the state of Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker obtained 1.4 million masks from China and
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1:38:48
had them flown into Boston on the New England Patriots private jet that made national news.
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Now that I say it, people may remember that. What they don't know is that samples of those
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masks were given to Professor Gregory Rutledge at MIT under contract for testing. And I have the
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internal emails from the Department of Public Health and Gregory Rutledge. They're in a substack
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I wrote more than two years ago, and they failed. And these are masks put across a test fixture.
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So all your randomized control trial, all that B.S. that EBM stuff that doctors do to test
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something is worthless downstream if the material properties themselves don't filter out anything
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that would save people. And the filtration efficiency of the masks is listed in a number
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of tests that Professor Gregory Rutledge did. So they don't work. And Rutledge sent that message on
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April 20th, 2020. So they knew that the masks don't work. Two weeks before they instituted
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the mask mandate. They knew it. They further stated how much training is necessary to don and
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1:40:04
doff a mask. How to put them on, how to take them off. And every single time you put them on,
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you do a smell test where they spray that stinky stuff. And if you can smell it, the mask isn't
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working. So none of it was about whether masks work. They knew they didn't work. It was all about
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control. And they wanted to carrot and stick everybody with, you know, if you take the vaccine
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1:40:30
when it's available, then you can take your mask off. So that was one thing. The other is
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regarding the vaccine, you mentioned about people kind of being in a cult, and they wouldn't have
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gone along with it if Trump was still president and, you know, they switched, right? So here's
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a living example. The director of admissions at a law school where I was an entering first year
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1:40:54
student at 56 years old, and I went for a year before they threw me out for not getting the
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1:40:59
vaccine. The director of admissions wrote to me, well, I wrote to him and said, it says here,
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I have to get the COVID vaccine when it's available. I can't do that. I'm not doing that.
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Do you have an exemption? And he wrote back and he said three things. One, you're over 30, so you
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don't have to get the vaccine. Number two, nobody at this school is going to ask you if you got the
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vaccine. And number three, no one at this school is going to be first in line for that vaccine.
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Now, Trump was president in 2020. So then you have the election, you have all the, you know,
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1:41:35
the steal, the cheat, and then Biden's president. Now it's a mandate. It goes to be a mandate. And
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now if I don't get it, I'm thrown out of school and they threw me out of school. They didn't even
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rule on my religious exemption. So everything he said is true. I have the evidence to back it up.
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I have lawsuits on, well, I had the lawsuit on the mask. He actually changed the order for the
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1:41:54
entire state to get around my lawsuit. And then the other two lawsuits are on appeal right now.
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So yeah, plenty of evidence if you need it, Dr. Wong. Let me know.
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Thank you. Thanks.
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Yes. There's wonderful resources here, Michael, and you should, through Sue and, you know,
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through Stephen, ask what resources you need to fight back against this attack, this ongoing
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1:42:25
attack on you. Thank you. I have basically fight, my fight with the medical board, I won twice
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1:42:32
already. So they're just trying to dig up dirt and go out for me. Yeah, eventually they basically,
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well, they want my license and I don't care. Sorry, one more thing. The Connecticut Memorandum
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Series, volume two came out last week. I don't think I've been here in a while. I don't know if
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you guys know about it. It's 250 pages. It's got 171 enumerated paragraphs over 100 people who died
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from the vaccine. I have it, I have people's names, first names, sometimes middle names,
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1:43:02
ages, the medical examiner's name, license number, everything's in there. And that's the biggest pile
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1:43:08
of evidence against this vaccine in the world to date. There's nothing that is more conclusive and
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1:43:14
irrefutable than the document. I will put it in the, I think I put it in the chat earlier.
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I'll put the link to it in the chat again. It's 250 pages long, 125 pages of text, 125 pages of
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graphical representations of death records, real death record, state file numbers, everything.
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1:43:34
There's nothing like it in the world. Michael, why don't you, I'm listening to John. He's a
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1:43:40
brilliant researcher. He's got some great evidence. You could do worse than just whoever is attacking
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you or who has attacked you. You could just submit that evidence and then they have to read it all
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and counter it. And if they don't counter it, of course, that means they don't want to enter into
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dialogue. But actually that would give you some strength. It would certainly stop them taking your
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license away from you without having an argument at least. Well, the problem is California Medical
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Board, they recently passed a new bill stating that any physician that's brought to the board
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1:44:15
for review, and if we do decide to fight the case and we lose, we not only had to pay
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my own side of the legal bill, I had to pay the medical bill side of the legal bill.
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So basically they are tying our hands behind our backs. Well, so we know some lawyers, that should
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be challenged, shouldn't it? Oh yeah. They can't be fiddling around with the rules of the game like that.
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1:44:41
It's California. They're also doing it in the UK with lowest pay lists. They charge, even if you win
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1:44:48
the case against the legal board. Well, she said that there was some nuance there Charles, which we
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didn't really get on top of, but she said to me privately that that wasn't the case. But anyway,
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yeah, they were trying it on anyway. I think. Yeah, it's well worth fighting. So anyway, Michael is
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fighting and there's resources here Michael for you. So, Kit, let's keep going. We've got hands up.
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We've got 40 minutes left. Rose, Rose wants to bring something to your attention on the 1974
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1:45:20
legislation. Yeah, in addition to what John said, we looked at the FOIA emails from Fauci
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in an early 2020. In the actual email, they post that the masks don't work. And I always bring up
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the argument, no one's trained in proper PPE protocols. So everybody's touching their mask
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1:45:42
and cross-contaminating and there is no biohazard disposal. So the 1974 National Research Act, I
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finally threw out and it was picked up by Brian Ward. So if you don't follow him, follow his
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1:45:55
legislation. They have cases all across the U.S. So the 1974 National Research Act was put in place
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for this very reason. So the government can't force people into research. I think during the
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quote unquote pandemic, the hardest thing for me to do is setting the example. I will walk around
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Home Depot at where I live without a mask. I will go to the airport without a mask where the air
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1:46:20
marshal will ask me to put a mask on. I will say no. That was the hardest thing is to setting an
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example. So going back- You know what's so funny on that is I was in Michigan at the height of it
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1:46:30
and I walked around with a smile on my face. And when I went into the grocery stores, they were all
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1:46:34
like, I'm like, good morning. Isn't it a beautiful day? And they're like, you don't have a mask on,
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1:46:38
you need a mask. And I said, HIPAA. They went, oh, okay. And I just walked on.
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Yep. And the thing that bothered me the most of those people that come in that want to have the
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exemption, the first thing I tell these people is these shots are experimental. No one has the right
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to force you to be experimented on. And I will stress that on everybody that come to me for
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exemption. Yep. All right. Thank you, Rose. And that's encoded in the Nuremberg code.
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They don't care. Yeah. Well, they better care because-
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1:47:25
There will be a day of reckoning. Stephen's right. You know, we just keep the records. We
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don't just give up. The longer it goes on, the worse it's going to be. Yeah. I agree with you,
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1:47:41
Charles. Yeah. Love. Hey, Dr. I wanted to ask you, you know, in another lifetime, I was on the
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1:47:47
Mount Hood Ski Patrol for about 20 years and we had a, you know, we would start training first
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1:47:56
aid stuff in October and we, I can't remember which condition, I don't know whether it was
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1:48:06
grand mal seizures or, but the treatment was to put a paper sack over their head and increase the
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1:48:16
rate of CO2 and reduce the oxygen level. And somehow that, I don't remember what the condition
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1:48:22
was that this was a recommended first aid for. Hyperventilation in a panic attack.
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1:48:29
What is it? Panic attack. Oh, was it panic? Yeah. Yeah. People afraid of scouts. I'm the
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1:48:38
checklist. Maybe that was it. But anyway, Berenson's, this is what the one I started with on masks in
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1:48:51
March of 2020. And this little book, Berenson's Unreported Truce About COVID-19 and Lockdowns,
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1:49:00
and this is part three mask. This is loaded with references, the studies of masks. And there are
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1:49:09
some of these studies that, I mean, if you restrict the amount of oxygen and increase the amount of CO2,
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it feeds, if you have a cancer cells growing, the worst thing you can do is restrict the O2 level.
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1:49:26
And I, boy, I see people that are, you know, 200 pounds overweight and you can watch that mask.
1014
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1:49:35
They're not getting enough O2. That's gotta be, that's gotta be deleterious to health. Would you
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1:49:44
talk about that, Michael? Thank you. That was a big word. The best part is you see people wearing
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1:49:52
a mask and take it off to take a puff of smoke. That's the best. So like I said, there's a time
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1:49:59
and place for face covering. And the need for face covering is very minimal. When you're doing
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1:50:06
surgery, when you're treating a tuberculosis patient, if you have seasonal allergy, if you
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1:50:11
are having an active viral infection, that you have a lot of cough, you don't want to spit on people,
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1:50:18
that's it. And my office was right next to a cancer treatment center here at Roosevelt,
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1:50:25
California. Before COVID, we will see maybe one or two person going in on the cancer treatment
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1:50:31
center with a face mask because they just had chemotherapy. They want to protect themselves
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1:50:37
somehow a little bit. So that's the only time I will see people donning a face covering.
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1:50:44
And that's it. But nowadays, if you have blue hair, if you go to the DNC, the Democratic Convention
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1:50:51
meeting, you better wear a mask. It's very, very political. It's not scientific at all. Yeah.
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1:51:00
Fifteen years ago, a friend of mine went to Mexico for cancer treatment. He had a stage four,
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1:51:09
and they said, well, you're ready for diet here. And he went to Mexico for treatment. And
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part of the treatment was to be in a barometric oxygen room for a couple hours every day.
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1:51:24
He was there for eight weeks, came back, they did the test, they said, well, you've had a spontaneous
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1:51:32
remission. Anyway, thanks. All right. Thanks, Marv. Jim.
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The issue of human experimentation, the Helsinki Accords are being rewritten.
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1:51:58
And this on the 60th anniversary of the originals. So just want to be careful about that.
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1:52:06
And everything you said, I'm very grateful for all you've done, especially in California.
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1:52:13
And we need to figure out how to fix California, hopefully. You know that the medical board of
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1:52:18
California where the guys who are out with Governor Newsom, when they filmed him without
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1:52:28
wearing masks, and they may know that the masks don't work. And also the masks that are silver,
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1:52:39
silver woven masks, true 47, tru47.com, silver woven masks that don't get the bacterial stuff
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1:52:43
inside them. That may be beneficial for those who are mandated to wear masks.
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1:52:50
So I offer that for your consideration. Also the AAPS, American Association of American Physicians
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1:52:56
and Surgeons, AAPS online that Darry was mentioning, that's a really great organization. And Jeremy,
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1:53:05
the guy who was kind of the administrative guy is kind of a genius. And regarding the
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1:53:10
glutathione or N-acetylcysteine, he's the guy who found out that there were five
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1:53:16
plants that were being shut down by the FDA that produced, get this, N-acetylcysteine, N-ac.
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1:53:23
And reverse engineered it and figured out that that N-acetylcysteine gets converted into glutathione,
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1:53:31
blocks the GP120 that is inside the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. And so by figuring that out and
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1:53:35
then figuring out that N-acetylcysteine was being blocked from being sold on Amazon, which is an
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1:53:39
intelligence operation, figured out that N-acetylcysteine was very important and as was
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1:53:43
glutathione. And there are a bunch of other medications that are very important to stop
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1:53:50
the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. So look forward to maybe seeing you at the AAPS meeting or joining
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1:53:57
that. That's very important organization. My question relates to, you mentioned detoxifying
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from the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Many people believe that that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is a
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1:54:08
bioterrorist weapon and it may have been designed by the people who are least affected by it.
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What are your thoughts on that and what are your thoughts on how to prepare for the next bio weapons
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1:54:19
that are seeming to be coming out of this monkey box, the plague and all that stuff? Thanks.
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1:54:28
So yeah, good question. So the sad thing is there will be another pandemic.
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1:54:36
There will be another scare whenever they feel like it's time. The important thing is that we
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1:54:44
need to stay up to date and understand how to protect ourselves. So the medical board has
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went as far as sending a spy to my office asking for a mask and vaccine exemption during
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1:54:58
the pandemic. That's how desperate they are trying to shot me down. And I want those cases too.
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So now they are going after me for providing the COVID vaccine exemption for about 50 firefighters.
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1:55:13
So it's just one thing after another that I'm fighting. It's fine. Again, it's something,
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1:55:20
how will California be fixed? I think it's kind of like the mice experiment. We're basically just
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going to destroy ourselves down to the ground and burn it all down and rebuild. Tesla left California,
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1:55:37
recent Exxon leaving California. How many sites do they need to basically button themselves up
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1:55:44
and say, oh my goodness, we have a net ex migration of people leaving California and all
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1:55:53
this business leaving California. I guess we better give undocumented immigrant $150,000 to buy a new
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home. This insanity continues. It's kind of like the mice experiment. Not until they actually
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destroy themselves will they try to do something to correct it. So I think it's important if you
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live in California, definitely look for an exit strategy. Definitely looking for a way out
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to protect yourself. Yeah. Thanks. And in terms of how you're going to
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keep moving forward with the next things that are coming down the pike and confronting the
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governor, the medical boards, how can you give them information so they don't have plausible
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deniability of what they have done or what the intelligence community has done in terms of
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bioterror weapons? The next mandate, the next pandemic may not be from the Democrat,
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maybe from the Republicans, maybe from the conservative. So whatever they're going to
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force down on us, I think the most important thing is one, we got to take good care of
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ourselves, make sure ourself is healthy, make sure our family is healthy, and also be educated on
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what kind of madness they're going to push on us. The question that you have on how to detox
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ourself on the spike protein, that's how I aim at treating my COVID injured patient.
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Of course, first is don't get any shots. Secondly, I look at everyone's symptoms,
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be it cardiovascular, neurological, or use the medication accordingly to reduce their inflammation
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and time is what it takes. Hopefully the spike protein is going to wash out of their system.
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But it's a long road in treating these type of injury. And are you seeing a lot of the low
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testosterone, low testosterone, Albert Borla is a veterinarian who specializes in immunocastration.
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I have not seen that. Most of the injury I see is cardiovascular and neurological.
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It's strong with a large amount of ACE2 receptors in the men's testicles per square centimeter,
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as well as in the brain, which may be causing brain fog,
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the location of the ACE2 receptors. I haven't seen that much affecting the
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testosterone or the hormonal pathway. Thank you.
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So Albert, what's his name, the guy at the top of Pfizer? So he's the guy Jim was talking about.
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Albert Borla. Yeah, so you know that, do you Michael?
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Yep. Okay, that's good. I thought maybe you'd
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missed it because Jim didn't say who it was. Thanks Jim. Simon, then John, then Stephen,
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and we're finishing in 25 minutes, Michael. Hope you're okay for that.
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Yep, I'm okay. Simon.
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Thank you much, Michael, for your presentation. And thank you, Sue, for organizing. And thank
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you, Jack, for that great insight of why not put the one atom bomb on your ice field. That was a
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brilliant thought I think you had as a kid, Jack. When I heard you, Michael, you were always saying
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about the fate in government and you had a lot of firefighters and you referred also to 9-11.
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Most of your people that came for exemption, were they already in that having no more fate in
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government? Were they already insightful about the whole 9-11 thing? And then the question would be,
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would it be for us something to, instead of trying to convince people how the medical
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story is and follow the science or not, but actually promote any of the lies of the government
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and show that governments can actually lie to us because that seems to be the only way people are
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open, at least for the idea that the vaccine is not good for us. So would it be a... So my question
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first is, most of the people that came to your office, were they already in a state of having
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2:00:01
no more fate in the government? And secondly, do you think that if we actually focus on any of
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the other lies, and there's so many, as soon as we convince a person from one of the lies and they
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2:00:14
can see there is a potential lie from government, maybe it will be much easier for us to get them
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to oppose mass vaccination or other things. Thank you. The majority of people that come to me for
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2:00:25
vaccine exemption, they do not have a good faith of the government. And many of them do have some
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faith, but seeing what they are being forced to do, and they have lost faith. So one thing that we
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need to understand is, any type of organization have the selfish tendency of wanting to basically
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2:00:46
protect themselves, be it the government or Target or Home Depot or any type of organization,
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2:00:55
Cougar or whatever. Develop country, unfortunately, the governments are from Australia,
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2:01:00
UK, especially in America, the government just gets bigger and bigger. And they're basically
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2:01:08
like a game thug organization now. We can do whatever we want. Nobody has any say in it.
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And I think COVID is a perfect example where you can see, instead of pointing outwards
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2:01:23
and get their way, right now they're pointing inwards at the people they actually govern
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2:01:31
and extract money and power from. That's the perfect example through COVID. That's the reason
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2:01:38
why if you look at the life expectancy in America, in USA, instead of going up, the life expectancy
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2:01:44
is actually going down. So the government is doing all this wonderful stuff for us,
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be it pushing schedule vaccination, be it pushing processed food, whatever. We should see a sky
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2:01:57
rocketing in our life expectancy. In sale, we're seeing a decline, much like auto racing, Formula
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One. If you have a wonderful race engineer, if you have a wonderful factory that makes a beautiful
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2:02:10
race car and the best driver, but yet you're finishing last, something's wrong. So most of
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2:02:16
people I see, they actually don't have good faith in their race engineer, their governments.
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Thank you. Thank you, Michael. So Michael, one observation is that governments not only lie,
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2:02:33
but they weaponize some people against other people. And that really is evil, in my opinion.
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2:02:40
You can just look at America, right? You push this racism on everybody. You push this transgender
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2:02:46
on everybody. It just makes us fight each other. So we are distracted from what the government is
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2:02:52
actually not doing, right? Correct. Government doesn't produce anything. They don't make ice
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2:02:58
cream. They don't make your window shade. They are just trying to function as a referee in a
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2:03:06
basketball game. So having two referee and 10 basketball player, right now we have 20 referee
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2:03:12
and 10 basketball player is too much. It's hindering our progress. It's hindering the game.
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2:03:18
They're killing creativity. Yep. And totalitarianism always does that. And there is,
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2:03:26
so we've got this creeping totalitarianism and it actually sucks the energy from created people
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2:03:32
and people who want to do the right thing, because it is the right thing, rather than for the reward
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2:03:38
that may come their way if they do the right thing. So anyway, thank you so much, Michael.
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Charles is he here? Charles is gone. John Bauduin, thanks.
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2:03:56
Hi, Michael. Dr. Warren. I assume you're going to a medical board and that's what you're defending
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2:04:02
yourself against. It's not at any kind of criminal or civil court right now? It's not a criminal.
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2:04:10
It's just, it's like a legislative court. Basically, it's kind of like whether I can
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2:04:14
keep my driver's license or not. All right. So it's a special administrative court.
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2:04:24
It's an administrative court set up by some state law. Okay. Really, I mean, so in criminal law,
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2:04:28
and you could probably use this in what you're doing as well, there's a defense called necessity
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2:04:35
defense of others, defending other what you are doing is on balance of harms,
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2:04:44
less harmful to the overall than the benefit you're bringing. And the benefit is you're saving their
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2:04:50
lives by not giving them the vaccine. I can give you the evidence to show irrefutably that it killed
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2:04:56
hundreds of thousands of people in the U S and thousands per state, and even a tiny little
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2:05:02
state like Connecticut. So depending on how the lawyer would tell you to carve out your defense,
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2:05:07
there's a lot going on, but what they're actually doing is a crime.
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2:05:13
The act that they are, and somebody should tell them this, if not you, somebody else,
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2:05:21
their acts against you are 18 USC 241, conspiracy against rights, 242, deprivation of rights under
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2:05:26
color of law. And then if you go to the civil side, you've got civil action for deprivation
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2:05:33
of rights in the section 1983, but they are committing severe federal felonies against you.
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2:05:42
And it shouldn't come from you. I mean, it could come from you, but if somebody else makes that
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2:05:47
complaint, it has to name these people personally, whoever you talk to, whoever's coming down on you
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2:05:52
from that organization, don't think of it as an organization. Everybody is responsible for their
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2:05:58
own criminal behavior. They are individuals that you have to individually name and you have to go
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2:06:03
after them individually. Everybody hides behind the group or government entity that they work for.
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2:06:10
And that's fine for civil litigation because they have like qualified and sovereign immunity if
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2:06:15
they're part of the government or they have, you know, respond to that superior, if they're part
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2:06:20
of some other organization. But when it comes to criminal behavior, which this is, this is conspiracy
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2:06:29
against rights. It's a very serious federal felony that they should be made aware that the evidence
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2:06:40
is all written. They've done it. Can you write to them? I mean, I suppose I could. Well, I'll tell
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2:06:44
you what, you could draft the letter and we could send it as an organization.
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2:06:50
There's probably people here, Steven, that wouldn't want to sign on to that. So again,
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2:06:53
we don't need their signatures. We just do it. The individuals, you know,
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2:06:59
if it's your organization, you can do it. Sure. So I'm happy for that, John.
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Just Charles, I'm sure. That's, yep. I know Charles. Yeah. Well,
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2:07:15
you do. Yeah. Their latest accusation is basically pitting me against the California Department of
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2:07:22
Public Health, quote unquote, water. So they're basically saying that the CDRP, the California
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2:07:26
Department of Public Health, it's a standard of practice and I violated that practice. So
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2:07:33
that's why the fight against basically I am trying to tell them that the CDRP is not
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2:07:39
accurate. It's actually the end of making false statement. And no one in California dare to say
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2:07:46
that except for me. You guys probably know who Steve Kershwood is, right? Yeah. I know Steve.
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2:07:52
Well, he calls me Steve Kershwood is actually my patient. Oh, no kid. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
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2:07:59
I know Steve. Yeah. To me for help. Well, what's so the California Department of Health is an
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2:08:06
advisory capacity and they do not have rule over any medical doctor or their license. They're not
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2:08:11
in the practice of medicine. They are quoting the CDRP as the standard of practice. That's what they
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2:08:17
are going out for me. So no, they can't. That's like right. Any lawyer should blow that away right
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2:08:24
away. And the CDRP is the one that makes basically quote unquote, mandating all the vaccine and, and
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2:08:31
mask requirement for the health care worker, for the general public and one and fighting.
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2:08:36
And all the judges are in with them. Sorry. The reason why I mentioned Steve Kershwood is,
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2:08:43
you know, we're talking quite length with his, the New Zealand death data. No, he did a great
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2:08:50
job in publishing that. But as you can see, after he published, it just, it's cricket. It's quiet.
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2:08:55
Yeah. But that's so that that's all statistics, inferential statistical methods on a large
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2:09:00
database that's been de-identified. I have the names of people who died minutes after the vaccine
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2:09:08
and people who died from aortic dissections a day later and pulmonary emboli in two days.
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2:09:14
There are four expressly stated death records that say the vaccine killed them and the CDC deleted
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2:09:19
vaccine as a cause on three out of the four. That's the level of evidence I have.
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2:09:26
Oh, that's good evidence. Yeah. So Michael, Michael, I think, I think you and
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2:09:32
should talk to John clearly and John's seat speaks to Steve Kersh. And the other thing to
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2:09:37
remember in all this for them, no, then we've got different agendas. I think that John,
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that's all right. Listen, I'm talking now, the Michael issue and Stephen for you as a doctor,
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2:09:50
the issue is when you apply for a practicing certificate, John, this takes it out of the
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2:09:56
criminal law into the into contract law, Michael, when you apply for your practicing certificate,
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2:10:02
and by the way, Ronald Owens is on Ron, Ron Owens is on this call. He's from the former
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2:10:08
from the California Department of Public Health. He'll share his views in a moment,
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but your application for a medical license says, I agree to be bound by the rulings of these wankers.
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2:10:25
Okay, that's contractual. You say I apply for my renewal of my license. I agree to be bound.
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2:10:33
That's one issue. Then John is raising other criminal law aspects, which attacking the person
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2:10:37
is good. And you've also got the problem of a medical board. What is it? Is that a company?
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2:10:43
What sort of legal entity is that often they're not incorporated. So they sort of deflected,
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2:10:51
as John says. And so and so look at your application for a license. Every doctor on
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2:10:58
this call should understand this bullshit that you're tied into. And that's how they control
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2:11:07
you with your agreement to be bound. Okay. And John, just to distinguish that for everybody,
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2:11:13
the difference between a medical board and a state licensing board, okay, in the United States is
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2:11:19
different than Canada with the colleges. But in the United States, we have each state has licensing
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2:11:24
boards, not just for doctors, but also nurses and funeral directors and so forth. And that's how they
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2:11:29
control people. The NGOs are the like American Board of Internal Medicine, Family Medicine,
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2:11:34
Pediatrics. They also use coercion, but those are not governmental. And they kind of under the
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2:11:41
Federation of State Medical Boards, the Federation, not federal. It's another NGO that's
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2:11:48
Rico Crime Syndicate. But Charles, very good point. However, the Department of Public Health
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2:11:53
is different than the licensing board under that state law, I guarantee it. And so with this,
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2:11:56
if his contract is with the state licensing board, I would.
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2:12:06
Anyway, I agree the complexity. Yep. Yep. So Ron, what do you say about this before you
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2:12:12
raise your hand? Ron, Michael, you should have a look at Ron's. In fact, Ron, if you put your
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2:12:16
website into the chat, Michael will be able to save that and look at your work. Ron, what are
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2:12:22
your thoughts on this? John, stay here is important. Well, number one, I just wanted to thank
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Dr. Juan for his courageous stand. I knew of him. I knew of his reputation.
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Sue Frost connected us. And I believe, as we all know, he's a hero. And he's to be commended
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2:12:49
for doing the right thing at a great cost. So I just wanted number one to acknowledge that.
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I can't speak as a lawyer because I am not a lawyer. I have been in touch with a Dr. Fox.
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He is suing the California Department of Public Health. And I believe he's going to be appearing
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2:13:13
before this group in the not too distant future. But in my correspondence with Dr. Fox
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late last week, I recommended because he's suing the California Department of Public Health,
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2:13:26
as well as the California Department of Education and there are other parties in that suit
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2:13:35
regarding childhood immunizations. He's trying to find out number one. And the writing is so
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2:13:43
small here. I'm going to enlarge it and turn this sideways. He's got three particular
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2:13:52
claims in his suit. The school immunization requirements are unconstitutional under the
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2:14:00
first and 14th amendments. The special education students, those with IEPs are legally exempt
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2:14:07
from those requirements. And the doctor who had his medical license revoked for not going along
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2:14:13
with those requirements had his first amendment rights infringed upon and should be in residence
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2:14:21
reinstated. His lawsuit has to do with childhood immunizations. What I propose that he do is use
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that modality of his lawsuit to apply for the receipts that I bring to the table that there are
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2:14:36
high ranking senior officials at the California Department of Public Health who knew that properly
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2:14:42
dose I would make and could cure a COVID. And in essence, they dismissed me and they knew what
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2:14:47
Javier Becerra said regarding vaccines. We know these vaccines are killing people of color,
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2:14:51
black, Latino, indigenous people at about two times the rate of white Americans.
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2:15:02
Leadership knew about those vaccine concerns, yet they still espoused and propagated this constant
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2:15:09
vaccines are safe and effective narrative. One last thing I wanted to ask, I have a
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2:15:21
friend who texted me a couple of days ago. She's trying to determine if there's any graphs, any
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2:15:30
sort of data that compares the number of cases, deaths from flu between 2018 and 2022,
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2:15:39
as well because she wants to know if trying to show the number of flu cases compared to COVID-19
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2:15:45
and the number of death comparison. So that's the question that she posed to me. And I said,
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2:15:52
I've got a group of physicians who might be able to assist in ascertaining the answer to her question.
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2:16:00
Well, John, you've certainly got that data. And Ron, many people here will have access
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2:16:06
immediately to that data of how the flu numbers dropped and the COVID numbers went up. But Michael,
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I think you made the comment earlier that in fact, over the last five years, ignoring vaccine
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2:16:20
COVID jab injuries and deaths, the number of flu cases hasn't changed when you combine the lot,
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2:16:25
Michael. That's what you said earlier, correct? Yep. I need to address that. Sorry. Just give me
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2:16:31
10 seconds. The flu deaths are only 8% of the COVID deaths. It's always been almost the red
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2:16:36
herring. It is part of it. Hospital homicides drove the COVID death numbers. It's the NIH
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2:16:43
COVID treatment protocols with a whole cocktail of drugs plus ventilators that killed enough
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2:16:48
people to call it a pandemic. And I have those numbers. It all comes down to acute renal failure,
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2:16:55
100% increase across the United States. That's an excess of 155,000 deaths at a much younger ages
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2:17:00
that if you look at life years lost, it's the greatest loss of life in 100 years in the United
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States and nobody frigging knows about it. And it drives me nuts. I can't get traction on it.
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It's more than COVID, more than smallpox, polio, honk. The only thing more is World War II in the
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last 100 years. So first, Ron, it's good to see you on this room. We have spoke before. Thanks.
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Appreciate the kind of work. To answer your question, like what John said, if we take the
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2:17:32
pandemic out of the pictures, in the past four years, we wouldn't notice any difference compared
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2:17:38
with flu. But there's a huge difference, like what John has said. During the quote-unquote pandemic,
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2:17:45
we basically asked the physician to hands off. If you have a cold, you have a pneumonia, you cannot
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come to the office to see me. And Kaiser is a perfect example. You cannot see a physician in
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2:17:58
person. It's quote-unquote too dangerous. So you are stuck. You have a cold, you have a pneumonia,
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2:18:04
you're stuck to stay at home. So if we do that with regular cold and flu season before 2020,
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I think we'll see the spike in death and injury that we've seen in the past three or four years.
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2:18:17
So to answer your question, Ron, the death and flu every year, I think kills about like 50,000 people.
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There's data that you can find on CDC website. And if you ask the physician to basically hands
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off, ask the hospital to hands off, don't treat these people and also force ventilation on,
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you know, a patient with pneumonitis and whatnot. You're going to see the rise in death count,
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like what we've seen in the past three or four years. Okay. So it's very equivalent to a bad flu season.
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Yeah, and then you've got all the anxiety which they created, the terror across the world,
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deliberately created with an operation, military grade psychological operation,
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absolutely outrageous what they did. So I don't think it's possible to quantify how many people
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have died from anxiety. And we were taught at medical school that anxiety can kill human beings
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if it's bad enough. Yeah. Ron, have we answered your questions? We've got Daria, then back to
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Stephen, we're going to finish in the next few minutes. Ron, are we not covered anything?
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Yes, I'm good. I just don't know how to lower my hand. I can do that. Thank you, Daria. Then
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Stephen for final questions. John, thank you for your input. And Michael, I urge you to get in touch
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with John Baudwin. Daria. Yeah, Michael, I just thought of one last thing I wanted to ask you about.
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Since you have ceased to take care of patients, are you doing any other type of income generating
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work as a consultant or some other line of work to have an income stream cash flow? Just curious.
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Thanks. Financially, I am in a good place. I don't have to work if I don't ever want to work another
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day. So not everybody can do that. So luckily, I'm able to do that. I have not done any consultation.
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I let my office stay open as long as I can until there was just a trickle of COVID patients or
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COVID injury patients coming in. Instead of seeing 20 a day, I was seeing maybe one every couple of
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weeks. And that's when I knew that I can close my office. So that's when I decided to close last
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July. So financially, I'm okay. But thanks for asking, though. Thanks, Daria. Yeah, we're all kind
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of, you know, with all these, we have a lot of education. We have a lot of experience. And we
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are many people, I'm retired, so I can't really do anything now because I hurt my hands. But
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there should be a way that we can help people with all the knowledge and wisdom we've acquired
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in our experience to continue doing something productive. And you can write a book and make a
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mint without even leaving your house. So, you know, I would encourage you to do that if that's
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something you're interested in because publishing is a good way to make some ongoing revenue and
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royalties. But yeah, I mean, what are we all to do? Go work at Walmart or something? I'm not doing that.
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Okay, there's lots of wonderful, there are so many problems on the planet.
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I assure you there's no shortage of ways to generate revenue. So, Stephen, last set of
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questions to you and then we're finishing. And then for those with the time, Tom Rodman's video
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telegram meeting will be available and Tom puts the links into the chat. Stephen?
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So, Dr. Wang, I have to say that you did what your grandmother told you to do. And I think
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you suggested that you had to, you said something on the lines that I had to listen to my grandmother.
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And good on you because that's all disappeared from the UK now. People don't think they're free
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of their grandmother or their grandfather's approval and even their parents' approval.
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And that's the problem, this arrogance created by social media and mobile phones,
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people living online and forming cults essentially like echo chambers, you know.
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So, they get used to having no opposition. In fact, they get addicted to getting the like things,
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you know, but how popular they are and they don't realize how ephemeral all that is and how
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artificial and taking away their humanity. So, I think you understand that. So, I don't really need
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to, but I wanted to ask you, in 2020 and 2021 and even 2022 and even 2023, how terrified,
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I'm sure this lady who arrived at the door with a mask on today in 2024, in September 2024,
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unbelievable. No wonder it was triggered. So, how terrified were your patients in your view
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before they'd seen you? I'm sure you calmed them down very quickly
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because a good doctor should be able to calm down a patient in about 30 seconds flat by the
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correct words. So, how terrified do you think your patients were? Could you see it on their face
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when they had been told outrageously to go away until they got worse and putting it in their mind
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that a day might arrive when they wouldn't be able to breathe and then they should go to the
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hospital? So, I imagine that some of these patients in California coming to you, it was the end of a
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long road for some of them and they were coming from other states and even from other countries.
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They were probably relieved that you were around and open, but they were terrified that maybe for
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some reason you couldn't see them as a doctor. So, how bad do you think it was?
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Sure. When Steve Kirsch first came to my office and I still remember that he kind of creeped into my
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waiting room and took a look at myself and my staff and said, I can't believe you guys are not
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wearing masks. This is fantastic. So, yeah, people were terrified. They didn't know what's right,
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what's wrong. I still remember the first COVID patient I ever seen that was discharged from a
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hospital with COVID pneumonia. She was in my exam room and I walk in without a mask and she
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started crying and said, I can't believe that you're not afraid of me and I can't believe you're
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not wearing a mask and I just gave her a hug. Outrageous. We need to lead by example. We need
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to lead. We need to be, you need to have that confidence that you are tough enough that when
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you know the truth, you're not afraid to show it. So, Dr. Wines, that wasn't the, I agree with you,
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absolutely. But the point I was trying to make, you were in a position to observe the terror of
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fellow human beings as a medical doctor doing the right thing. I just want you to record here
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what you remember of that time. Every day I went to my work. I went to my office.
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I didn't know if that's the day the sheriff is going to kick down my door and take me to jail.
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I got a threat letter from the city. I got a threat letter from the county.
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The Department of Public Health are calling me saying, why aren't you wearing a mask?
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Why are you doing these type of things? So the threat level is pretty high. It got so bad.
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I didn't know if I had to find my way to deliver medicine to my patient. It got that bad.
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I understand, yeah. What I'm trying to get at is not the effect so much. I think we've got
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good imagination as far as you're concerned, you know, how it was for you. Very, very difficult
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indeed. But on the other hand, you were doing the right thing and now you've got a good conscience
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and that's great. But what I'm trying to get at is the outrageousness of what happened and how
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bad was the terror campaign against the people of the United States of America, in particular
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California? One day I had three news agencies showed up at my door accusing me of selling
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exemption cards for money. My staff is looking at me like, what's going on? That's when the local
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Department of Public Health called me, what's going on? CNN is texting my phone wanting interview.
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The threat level is unbelievable. I'm a private practitioner. The San Francisco Chronicle wrote
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an article about me without interviewing me, painting me as a charlatan, selling exemption cards.
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My mom is crying to me, son, why are you doing this? Can you please stop?
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My wife is looking at me like I'm nuts. The level of fear, the level of uncertainty is unbelievable.
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If I'm not tough, if I didn't go through the tough training through my internship, running
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three ICU floors, having page after page dealing with five calls at a time, I won't be able to
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handle this if I'm not physically and mentally tough. I understand, yes. But I'm trying to get
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to how bad it was for the people, your patients. You saw them with your own eyes as a doctor.
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It was bad for you, terrible for you, but it was dreadful for them. They were terrified, weren't
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they? You could see that. They were terrified, they were unsure, and they were very defensive
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to you. I had a long-time patient that basically got really mad at my office because I'm not
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wearing a mask and knocked on my door, accused us of being a Trump supporter. Honestly, I can't stand
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Trump for a long time. So the fear is there, the uncertainty is there. It's clear that it was a
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difficult time for you and the patients, but the whole thing was created and it was a fraud.
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The whole thing was a fraud. There was no pandemic and there was not even a disease called COVID-19.
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It was a failure of diagnosis. It was a failure of medical ethics. Every doctor in the world should
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have known that this was wrong. To isolate human beings, you can see that with the, you know,
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we were told at medical school that human beings are highly social animals and that if you
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isolate babies in particular, they would die, but also children would die, take a bit longer,
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and adults would die as well. So to isolate human beings is absolutely outrageous, and yet every
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government in the world damn near did it together, and it was clearly planned. So I wanted, so this
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is outrageous and we need to push back at these idiots who allowed it to happen or actually were
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real part of the problem, forcing it, and I think that human beings need to learn from this that
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they need to be humble and there's no place for arrogance from any human being because this is
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much bigger than them. I think it's what happened in the past four years is political and it's
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munchausen by proxy in a global scale. It is happening to this state. I strongly believe
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there's going to be a financial climatic, climate economy soon, instead of being a health climatic,
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and the universal base of income and CB, you know,
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it's going to be pushed on us. That's another way of controlling us. So that's coming our way,
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and that's what I'm telling everybody. So what I'm driving at, I just want to get a clear picture of
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who is attacking you at the moment because then only when we know what is happening can we organize
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our forces, you know, to do the right thing, to support you, to push back at these idiots,
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and we need to find out the names of the people who've attacked you and we will write to those
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people as an organization. But we need to get our ducks in a row and we've got access to lawyers
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all over the United States, all over the United States, in particular Warner Mendenhall in Ohio,
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and I can't remember, Brad Dacus, I think in California, I think he's a lawyer,
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but there are others, and Ron Renz is another one, and I just wanted to know who is it who
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actually closed you down? Do you know in your own mind the name of the person who is personally
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responsible for closing your clinic down? It wasn't a specific person, it was a slow death
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by a thousand cut. Basically I lost my insurance contract because I'm not wearing a mask, they
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canceled my insurance contract, so I lost 50% of my income, and they took away my ability to document
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a clinic visit digitally and electronically, and that was the last straw.
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You also said, Dr Wang, that you said that there are lots of people attacking you now,
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institutions as I understood it, but you still got your medical license.
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I still got my medical license, and I also have medical license in other states in the US.
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They're probably gearing up to take away your medical license from you, and what we could do
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is at least organize with you through John and others to give them a real fight that they'll
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never forget. I think the person that's going after me now is the Medical Board of California.
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That's for my license. Just to let you guys know so you don't waste your time and energy,
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I really don't care about my California medical license, they can burn it all they want.
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But that's the point. We need to fight them anyway and present evidence and get them to answer it.
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What's the matter, Charles? We're 10 minutes over, it's two hours 40,
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people are leaving, we've got to finish. It's an important point. I'm trying to tie it up,
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otherwise the meeting is lost. So I'm just saying we need to know what the problem is,
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who's attacking you, who has attacked you, and we need to have some names so that we can write to
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them personally and we can publish the letter that we've written. By now we'll be California
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Medical Board. Sure, well we can work offline then on that. Yeah, all right. Thank you, Michael,
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so much for being with us. Congratulations on your courageous journey. It's what we say most
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doctors should have done, they didn't do. There are plenty of doctors on this call who did that,
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plenty of doctors around the world. You're not alone by any means, so well done, and
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all of us. Lots of lessons here from Michael. Stephen, thank you for organizing the group,
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thank you all for your contributions, and have a beautiful Sunday. I think it's Father's Day in
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Australia, first day of spring in Australia, first day of autumn in the UK, I think, and the US.
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Is that, Stephen, first day of autumn for you guys? I'm not sure we've got a beginning of
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autumn. The autumnal equinox is around the 21st or 22nd. Yeah, we define autumn as the
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1st of September, so rather than the equinox. But anyway, happy, or we'll worry about that when
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it happens, but for us in Australia it's now spring. Yippee! Winter is over. All right,
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thanks everybody, have a wonderful Sunday, Monday. Thank you, John. And get a hold of Jeremy
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Snavely, I put his contact info in the chat, have him email you the chat, okay? All right,
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all right, thank you. Michael, thank you very much for coming on, and please email me if you want to
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fight back, because we can organize it, but please email me, because otherwise I have to remember it,
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and then it looks to you as if I've forgotten, but I haven't forgotten. If you email me, then you get
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And then John Baudin, I think, likes to fight, so, and we know others.
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We need men who are not pushovers.