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which has been squandered by the USA. I think these are known facts. I think these are facts
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that certain things are moving. Now, the question is how will America react to it? That's an
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in this particular case, in a situation we're in, where there is no other free willed country in the
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and where I would claim that's been the plan all along by the Satanists and their minions.
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That needs to be reversed first to stabilize. And then, yes, I'm completely open to there being
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fair and balanced influences throughout the world, where each nation makes its decisions on its own
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around how it wants to proceed, as long as we have to, at this point, take down the globalists.
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that somehow or other America is exceptional. I would say that there's many, many people that
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argue that the Chinese system suits huge proportions of the Chinese people. The Russian system,
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people. I'd say they're very, very happy. So the important thing is, are the people content and
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happy within their state? And the idea that the American system is superior.
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Jerry, it's more complicated than that. Jerry's right. Glenn's right. So in my opinion,
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the Western Europe in particular, but the UK also has just lost itself. And the only common sense
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America. Well, not Trump's America, but Trump himself. So he's got a lot of faults, in my opinion,
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but he shows the way and we need to rebalance. I think we've been taken away from our countries,
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from ourselves as human beings by these idiots in Europe. And essentially what we've got in Europe
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is not only a government, but a government that governs the government. And no wonder we've lost
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our way. That's globalism. All right, let's get this show on the road. We've got our guest here,
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David. Cheryl Ambers, how lovely to see you in red. I love it. I love it. I love it.
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coming in. So let's get this show on the road. Thank you for coming in. So Jerry, if we're
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a bit away from America, then we've completely lost our way in the process. I'm not saying that
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America is a big showcase, but there is a little bit of hope now, because I think that what happens
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in America happens in the rest of the world or in the Western world anyway. But anyway.
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that some NASA guy says we faked everything. So SpaceX allegedly, the two guys are coming down
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from the International Space Station, but we shall see. But welcome to today's discussion
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of medical doctors for COVID ethics, international doctors for COVID ethics.
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ethics, justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government and power over the
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years and has been a whistleblower and activist, his medical specialty is radiology. We remember
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right now a freedom fighter who was unlawfully jailed in Germany, Reimer Fulmich, German and
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US lawyer. He was unlawfully kidnapped in Mexico in October 2023. And anything you can do to shine
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a light on his case is much appreciated. Reiner should not be in jail and what's being done to
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him by the German government is simply criminal, unlawful, outrageous. I'm Charles Coviss, the
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over the last 14 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage
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and damage from bad medical advice. Medical advice, bad medical advice is now the number one
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killer in the USA ahead of heart attacks, cancer, diabetes. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp
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company and industrial hemp is going to be a savior for the planet. Mark my words.
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We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the world.
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is ignorant. Dr. Stanley Plotkin has confirmed that no vaccine in history has ever been properly
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tested for safety and efficacy. Anyone who cares to provide evidence to the contrary is most
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welcome to do so. If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in
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the chat and where you're from. Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War
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that we are in. We also have a spiritual battlefront. There's no time to be tired.
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meeting. Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join. We'll listen to our guest
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for 15 minutes. This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. Free speech is
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If you're offended by anything, be offended. We are lovingly not interested. We reject the
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offense industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another. We similarly
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and perspective of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you and enslaves
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you. Love, on the other hand, expands you and liberates you. These twice weekly meetings are
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the details into the chat. And now welcome to our guest presenter, David Sherrill-Ambus,
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for the purposes of the recording. I would like to share some aspects of your bio. You are a behaviour
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and communications expert and the founder of ReachingPeople.net. Could somebody put that in
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the chat, please, David, if you could? ReachingPeople.net. This project is dedicated to helping
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people communicate with those of differing views and showing how institutions and corporations
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influence to gain greater autonomy over us. David's background involves over 30 years of consulting
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behavioural science, behaviour and communication. David has spent the last few years assisting many
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knowledge to influence people. He also runs regular workshops and presentations on communicating,
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messaging and understanding behaviours. He's been on numerous podcasts and presented at
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conferences on influence, behaviour and communications. David believes we can
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significantly improve our effectiveness by understanding key principles of behaviour
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and communications. So thank you, David, for being here and thank you, Stephen, for us to
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gain for creating this group and for organising David to speak to us today, albeit a little bit
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at the last moment, but here we are. This is the tradition of this group. We flow with,
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we move with the waves. David, welcome. Thank you. Yes, pleasure to be here. Timing's actually
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very good. We just finished a few projects on psychological operations and warfare and a few
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other things. And what I want to do tonight, I didn't have the time to get the slides together
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as perfectly as I wanted to, but the information is still going to be there. So there's going to
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be a little bit more text than I normally like, but I want to get three really key points across
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tonight. And once you understand these, basically, I mean, we all know we're being played. That's
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very clear. But when we understand how we're being played, which buttons are being pressed,
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then we can actually start to get a very different response than the people that we're talking to.
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So I'm ready to go. So let me just. Okay, share your screen. You should be able to
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share it. Okay. Awesome. If you give me a nod, Charles, that you can see my. All good. Can see
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well. Awesome. So today, I really wanted to talk about how the pandemic was sold. Because as you,
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many of you know, 2009, they tried a pandemic and it failed miserably. And of course, a lot of
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dangerous people learn from their mistakes and don't tend to make the same mistakes as many times.
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So obviously, this is an experience that we're all having continuously. There's an elephant in the
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room. It's so obvious it's standing there, but people cannot see it. So this was a very interesting
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study just to lead up to how people can have their opinions changed without their knowledge
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and without their consent. In April, sorry, in December, I think it was 19, they ran a large
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scale study survey asking people whether they would take the vaccine. And then they followed
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up in two, two times. And of the people that said no, and at beginning, it was the majority of people,
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the propaganda was able to flip 86% of the people from not taking the vaccine to taking the vaccine.
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And that's quite an astonishing number. And it's the propaganda that did that. And what we're going
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to look at today is a few elements of our mind that are really key to understand how they achieve
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that. So this is a slide I like to show people to really explain some of the depths of what's going
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on. You've got Jane blogs on the left, Joe blogs on the right. Jane understands the manipulation,
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she sees the propaganda, and she knows that we're being lied to. Joe, on the other hand, her brother
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is a maths professor and is so entrenched in the system that he pretty much just bought everything.
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see information. So we're so educated from a scientific standpoint, logically,
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that we think that facts exist in a vortex, that they are their own volition and truth is like this.
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you change a headline or fact from one magazine to the next, the believability of that fact
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changes significantly just because of where that fact occurs. So all the context actually has more
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effect and influence on whether someone believes something than the fact itself.
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very obvious when we look into Joe's soapbox that Joe believes the media reports the truth,
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he thinks government serves him, he believes that science is this wonderful unicorn,
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he believes if someone says it's safe, it must be, he trusts that there's oversight,
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checks and balances, and he believes, and this is a really powerful one, that there's a
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consensus that everyone agrees and anyone that doesn't is just a tin hat wearing mad person.
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Jane, on the other hand, she knows censorship is rife, she knows there's conflicts of interest,
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she knows the NGOs have got their fingers in all the pies, she knows that media is effectively now,
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or certainly the big media, is just a corporation and corporations really will do anything to make
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money. She distrusts government, she's probably read a history book, and she knows that science,
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just like any other industry, can be influenced by many biases and particularly incentives.
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but really just to set the frame, that we look at everything from our own personal perspective,
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but when we're talking to people, we often don't take that into consideration, and it's known as
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the curse of knowledge, whereas when we talk about something, we have privy to all the information
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in our mind, but the other person doesn't. So if we have a completely different foundation for that
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fact, it's going to have a completely different meaning to these two people. So that's something
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we've discussed in the past, and what we're going to go on to now is three really key elements,
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operant conditioning? Because effectively, these are the two main ways that everyone is conditioned
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to believe lies. Now when you understand how these function, not only are they conditioned for you
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to believe lies or people to believe lies, but these are the two ways that really affects people's
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behaviour. So many, many people don't behave in the way that they would want to if they were not
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conditioned to do that. What is a reticular activating system? Now we've really dived in
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deep to this. Now this is the key. The reticular activating system is the gatekeeper. It is the
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filtering sensory information within the brain, and it focuses attention. It regulates consciousness
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effectively. So if the person has a faulty belief in that RAS system, it doesn't matter whether you
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show them 10,000 facts that disagree with that. It will not change anything. Once the RAS changes,
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everything will change. And what is IOED? So IOD effectively is the illusion of explanatory depth,
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and it's the effect that you've all come across a thousand times when you're talking to someone
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that believes the nonsense that they've been told, and they are under an illusion that they
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can explain what they're talking about. And the truth is that they have been given conclusions,
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and those conclusions have been placed into their RAS system, conditioned into their RAS system,
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and that person thinks that they understand that concept. But effectively, their mind is a house of
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cards. And as you notice, when you push against that house of cards, it gets stronger. But once
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you understand where the weak points is in that system, then you can actually really destabilize
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it. And that's what we're going to talk about tonight is what are some of the elements. Really,
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we're going to talk about what are these three things. And when you understand these three things,
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you're going to be much better equipped that when you talk to someone that you're not actually going
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to strengthen their delusion. Because inadvertently, what a lot of people are doing in the truth
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movement without realizing it, is they're actually strengthening the other person's
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delusion by the questions that they're asking. And it's just a factor that because the people
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pushing the propaganda and the narratives understand us so deeply that they can set that up,
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and they can also create delusions very clearly. But when we understand it, we can actually start
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to break that delusion. And that's the key thing. So we're going to look at conditioning.
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Okay, now, there's really two types of conditioning. Many of you would have heard of
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Pavlov's dogs that probably rings a bell. And that was basically associating two things together.
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Okay, so children when they eat the ice cream van, then they fancy an ice cream,
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they probably salivate. That's classical conditioning. And it's very, very simple.
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It's just the linking of two things together. So for those of you in the UK, if I said have a break,
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you would probably respond with have a KitKat. Now that's the risk. And that's pretty much
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happens. I gave a live talk a few weeks ago, and I said those words and the whole audience in unison
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answered have a KitKat. That's the power conditioning, linking two things together.
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strong emotion. Now, operating conditioning is subtly different. And that's basically
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associated voluntary behavior and a consequence basically is saying, well, if I do this, that's
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going to happen. But if I do that, that's going to happen. And then basing your decision on that.
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But again, most of that will happen unconsciously. So that's first have a look at classical
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sold. The pandemic, obviously, you know, that's a very loose word, because a lot of us here
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wouldn't call it that. But there's a very sad story about where scientists were first studying
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this. And what they did was that there's only two natural fears we're born with, and one of them is
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loud noises. So what they did was they paired a loud noise with a rat. And when they did that,
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only a few times, then little Albert developed a phobia of the rat. So basically, the fear response
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from loud noises was paired to the rat. And it got to the point where he even feared Santa Claus,
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because he generalized that the beard was similar to the fluffy animal. Now, the fears and emotions
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can be installed so quickly, it is unbelievable. And the media has got that down to an art form.
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you know, I ran a query to look at the ways that classical and operatic condition was used during
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the pandemic. This was one of the things fear response to the word corona, which obviously,
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we all saw or remember the people dropping dead in the street, which is almost definitely
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with staged. But that's to really create an emotional, automatic reaction to this.
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There was all of these things like COVID toe. Now, it's the study show that when you use disgusting
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images, the person is affected very emotionally, and it drove uptake of the vaccine significantly.
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So none of this was by accident, in my opinion, they were very clear and understanding on what
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drives the average human being. So then there was lots of numbers, large numbers about everything.
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And this was salience, it had to affect everyone. So then Joe is watching this. And he's literally
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getting a lot of fear. So there was cases jump and whatever it was, none of it made any logical
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sense, but it didn't need to. Because conditioning works on an unconscious level. And we are under
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this, you know, the way that we're educated, we think that we have full conscious control of
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ourselves. And anyone that's ever tried to lose weight or drink less or eat healthier,
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knows that that's not the case. Okay. If your unconscious mind has a craving for something,
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and you can't control it, then we're not in full conscious control. So the public is having their
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unconscious mind hijacked. And the conscious mind is really going along for the ride.
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The next bit of rank conditioning, this is where it gets even more devious, is that this was really
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studied by Skinner. And it's effectively rewards and punishment. So it's carrots and sticks. So the
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rat in a box learned that when it pressed a certain button, it would get some food, and then it
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literally would influence its behavior. So it would press the button to get food. And they had
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ones where it would be electrocuted. So it would literally move towards pleasure and away from pain.
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understand about human behavior, that people always move towards pleasure and away from pain.
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Now, it's not actual pleasure and pain. It's perceived pleasure and pain. So if we're
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conditioned at school to associate pleasure to complying and pain to not complying, then that's
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what people are going to feel compelled to do. And that's why for a lot of people standing up
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would create a lot of stress because it went against their conditioning.
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Now, if we look at what Joe incurred during the pandemic, there was a bunch of adding carrots,
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which was jabs for kebabs and all these nonsense policies. And then of course, they removed the
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carrot, which is if you don't get the vaccine, then you're not going to be in shops, bars,
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shopping, some places you couldn't even get the things you needed to survive.
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So this next table, and I'm putting it up just so you can see it, but this is in an article on our
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website, is just a brief overview of how the carrot and sticks was used. So pretty much
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every policy fell into one of the four categories. And if you look through the document Mindspace,
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and then combine it with this, you'll get a real deep insight into how people felt compelled to do
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what they did. Now, the amount of people that said to me, I just felt so much pressure, I had to do
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it. That's effectively applying so much emotional pressure via these carrot and sticks that the
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person just gives in. And that's what an animal will do, particularly horses that in fact,
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what they do is that they apply pressure to the horse, and then they release it when the horse does
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as it's, you know, wanted to do. And that becomes one of those powerful. So this removing stick down
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at the bottom left, that's very powerful. And that's why a lot of people couldn't take the
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pressure anymore. And then you would have seen it's the only way out. That was a very much a
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hypnotic command, which is you're not going to get your life back unless you do as you're told. So
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I'm pretty much going to remove this boot from your throat when you do as I asked you to do.
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So hopefully that summarizes the conditioning. And there's a lot more we can go into there,
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but it's really to understand that conditioning is really drives so much of our behavior.
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And if you are not conditioned yourself, then you've been conditioned by someone else.
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So if somebody is unable to do the things that they want to do, that is a sign that they've
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been conditioned to not associate pleasure with it. Now, there's a lot of information here that
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when they as well as the teaching people to comply, people are also taught to live in
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sort of poverty and not strive for things and then allow billionaires to have all the money.
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All of these things are really conditioned into us at our schooling. Now, there's this thing
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that I'm going to touch on, which is called NTT. And that is narrative transformation,
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transportation theory. Now, that is the art and science of conditioning. That is how they know
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that within a movie and TV, which is pretty much how most people are getting their information now,
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is how they can implant an idea and condition that idea into someone's mind.
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And an example of this, which I've touched on before, is designated driver. So what happened was
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the Harvard Alcohol Project got together with ABC Studios and they wrote this into the storylines
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into Dallas, Cheers, LA Law and all of these. So then it entered the collective consciousness.
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Now, they've been doing that for decades from what I can see with terms like vaccination, deniers
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and conspiracy theorists, incidentally, appears many, many, many times in TV shows.
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And whenever there is a conspiracy theorist, he's generally always a person with low IQ,
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generally unhealthy, usually walks with a stick, etc. So what they're doing is they're
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conditioning unconsciously the public to associate a conspiracy theorist to a low IQ person. And
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that's why people automatically associate, oh, you've got to be an idiot if you're a conspiracy
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theorist. And that's not an accident. That has been done on purpose. And the people, when they
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say the term conspiracy theorists, they do not realize that they've had their mind programmed
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to associate these things. The power of conditioning is really incredible. I mean,
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it's how we learn. So it's not necessarily a negative thing. It's just when you've got
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a group of psychopaths using it to condition the public, that's when it becomes problematic.
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Now, if you look at any remake of any old shows, such as Quantum Leap, which I used to love in the
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80s, the new one generally has, I mean, you pick out any narrative that's going on now,
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and there will be it is absolutely flooded with it. For instance, the person who's the software
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engineer in it is a man that dresses as a woman that dates a woman that like I mean, it's so you
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don't know where he's coming or going. But it's normalizing all these things. Now, so hopefully
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that really gives you a taste of how people are just being unconsciously programmed to associate
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conspiracy theorists to a certain thing. For instance, when you take 5G, for instance,
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the amount of news articles and TV that go 5G conspiracy theorists, 5G conspiracy theorists,
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5G conspiracy theorists, and the minute you talk to someone about 5G, they're going to parrot
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conspiracy theorists, just like, you know, the KitKat example, but they won't know why they've
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done that. It's just this constant unconscious reinforcement. And they say it. And if you ask
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them politely, what did I say that was conspiracy, you will get a blank look most of the time,
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because they actually don't know why they said what they said. So on to number two,
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the reticulant activating system. Now this, I mean, the more and more we understand this,
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this is really one of the most important things to understand. So these magnifying glasses,
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this is the RAS. The RAS is the gatekeeper. The RAS is the security man at the front door.
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If you say something to someone, which the RAS has got on his no entry list, that information will
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not get into the person's mind. But the minute that RAS changes, all of the information around
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that subject will. Now, you know, there's very common examples of this, that when you buy
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a different car from previous ones you've driven, you suddenly notice that car much more often than
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you did previously. That's because that car now is in your awareness. Now I'm pretty sure that when
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you think about when Steve Kirsch talks about how he became aware, the story that he told was in
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Geneva was a few people that he knew, all on the same day, he found out that they had adverse
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reactions. So his RAS is now hypervigilant to look for that. And then, you know, he saw it everywhere.
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And that's the thing, if those two things would have happened 30 days apart, they wouldn't have
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made it to the RAS. But when they happen on the same day, when lightning strikes on the same day,
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the RAS kind of takes notice. Now what the RAS notices is things that are new and novel,
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which in my opinion is why they constantly use that term a novel virus. Okay, that's
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alerting the RAS system. So pretty much from what I could tell, all of the propaganda was planned to
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hit the RAS, to hit the condition, etc. The terms were very, very specific, just like the new normal.
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It's all new, novel, surprise, therefore the RAS will then take notice of it. Now this is a bit
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where I didn't have enough time to get the sort of pictures together, so I'm just going to have to
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put a bit of text on the screen. But when you realize how important it is, it's so key. Now
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Richard Shudden wrote a book called The Choice Factory, which is a really good book. The guy is
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totally on board with all pro narratives. So, you know, a lot of the examples he gives are not,
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in my opinion, particularly good. But they did run a study in 2015 on the UK election,
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and they asked about a policy to raise VAT by 1% to fund 10,000 extra nurses. I mean,
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a completely fabricated study. But what they found was, and what they were testing was,
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how Labour supporters would support the policy more if it came from their own party, and conversely
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would the Conservatives do the same. But as it turns out, it was like 500% more that they would
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support it when it came from their own party. So what you find is that most people are making
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their political decisions by the colour of the tie. And this is why if you look in the US,
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you know, whatever side of the political debate people are, they never see the same event the
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same way. And they see it through the coloured glasses of the particular party. Now obviously,
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at the moment, we've got quite a strange political landscape, because, you know, part of the
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political divide has gone completely mad, in my opinion. But particularly in the UK, it really,
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in my opinion, doesn't really matter who you vote for, because the same parties are basically have
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the same puppet masters. But the key thing is that all of the information this person was witnessing
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was really much governed by the reticulate activating system. Now, how did it affect that
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study? So basically, the RAS filters out all information that doesn't match what it believes
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to be true. It also matches out unimportant information, which is why it explains the
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cocktail party effect, which is you're at a party, there's maybe six or seven conversations going on
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around you. But the minute someone mentions your name, you notice. Why do you notice? Because it's
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important because it's flagged in the RAS system to you. But if you notice your name being mentioned
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in one of those six conversations, what does that assume? That assumes that part of your brain must
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have been listening to all of those conversations. And it was only at the point where the RAS system
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said, look, consciousness, you need to know this is because someone's mentioned your name. So
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what the narrative and the propaganda does is it conditions the RAS to see what it wants them to see.
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And they won't see anything other. So it really is you see what you believe, you don't believe what
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you see. And the RAS is the instrument that makes that happen. So once these beliefs in there, it
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ends up in a reinforcement lock, which is, you know, my party equals good, two legs are bad,
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four legs are good. It's effectively the gatekeeper, the filter system, an emotional
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priming as well, that integrates with the limbic system. And this is why the minute you mention
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any of the trigger words, and we are in a massive trigger society at the moment, as Charles mentioned,
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it literally triggers that person into a guerrilla state. They go completely emotional because in the
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RAS, it's effectively saying this person is a threat to me. And then they respond emotionally.
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And that's why it's so key, because in fact, what the RAS is doing is it's monitoring threats. And
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if there's a threat, then it shuts down the rational mind and it goes into the emotional mind.
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And the reason for that is the fight or flight. But it's been it's been conditioned to trigger
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whenever we might, you know, we say something that threatens the narrative or any one of them.
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So what are the practical implications? So this was literally the recommendations from Richard,
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which I wouldn't always agree with. But basically, what it leads to is that when that person you're
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talking to labels you as a conspiracy theorist on anti facts or any of those things, they are
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going to ignore everything you say. So it's really important to break that caricature.
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And that's fairly straightforward to do, but you just got to ask the right questions in the right
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order, which is just a little bit outside of tonight. But I do we are writing some articles on this.
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And then what Shodham suggests is targeting auditors when distracted or using subtle
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emotion driven cues. Now, I wouldn't necessarily say that's a good thing. But what I would do is
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I'd use stories and metaphors because that makes it into the past the RAS and into the unconscious
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mind. But what Shodham two other things that he recommended, which are quite really poor ethics,
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in my opinion, was one, he said, if you're worried about trust in your product, use the radio,
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because when people listen to the radio, they're generally distracted. And two, he recommends that
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if you have an unsafe drug, then name it a specific way. And he gives the reasons for that. So
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obviously, if you've got marketing people, they're quite happy to put ethics to one side.
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And then the people pushing the narrative get that because Shodham's an absolute genius in this in
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this information. Then of course, once you've got a person with no ethics, and the information and
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the skills and the resources, then we end up with the problems that we have today. So this
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interplace between confirmation bias and RAS really underscores why logical arguments will fail
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when the person has an entrenched belief, especially emotional one. So logic isn't really
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going to get us the answer. You can put the logic into a story. And when that story gets delivered
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to the unconscious mind, it will change the RAS and that person will literally see a different world.
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Now, for those of you that can recall when you started realizing the world didn't work out,
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you thought it worked. That's what happened. Your RAS was changed. Something happened that changed
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the information in the RAS. And it's usually a contradiction that's so strong that the RAS has
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to accommodate. Now, that's really key. I won't go into it now, but there's basically two processes
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that are taking information in. One's assimilate and the other one's accommodate. Now, assimilation
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just keeps the structure of the model the same. You're just putting the information into the
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structure you have. However, when you can no longer do that, you have to accommodate and that's
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when your model has to change. Now, if you get exposed to the right information or the truth
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for a series of stories and experiences, that literally will collapse your model of the world.
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That's pretty much what I would imagine that's happened to all of you. There'd be some strong
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story or experience that you could no longer assimilate that information.
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So, onto the third thing. IOED, which is the illusion explanatory depth. Sounds complex and
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most of these psychological concepts, they do like complex names, but all it is is a false sense of
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security. The person thinks they know what they're talking about much more than they do. Now, one of
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the simplest ways of highlighting this is like even if someone calls you an idiot, ask them to
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explain how they came to that conclusion and then you're just going to get a blank look most of the
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time. So, what it is that when Jane says, have you seen the reactions, you're just going to get this
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conspiracy theories. It doesn't fit and then here's what's fascinating. Joe will then think he knows
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why he's called you a conspiracy theorist and he thinks he can prove it. But I've been debating
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with someone online recently who is the most delusional person I've ever spoke to in my life
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and that's saying something because I spoke to a lot of them. But I've asked him nine times because
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literally I've only been called a conspiracy theorist once in the last two years and it's
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by this guy because I now know with my questions how not to trigger that response. But this guy
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called it me and I've asked him nine times now to explain why he called me yet and he just ignores
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the question because he doesn't know. He's literally like a pigeon in a box from Skinner's
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studies. He's just pressing these buttons but he doesn't know why. But on rational people or people
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that are not completely totally delusional, if you're very calmly just ask them politely,
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may I ask what did I say that came across as conspiratorial? A lot of the time they will
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soften and they'll suddenly realize that they don't know what they're talking about. And that's the
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thing with IOED that all you generally have to do to get someone to shut up is ask them to explain
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themselves. But if you want to go a little bit deeper then you have to do some other things.
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But here's what's really interesting. Now this is just for an example of this.
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There's questions that strengthen someone's delusion. So if you ask someone why they believe
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what they believe, we are inadvertently getting them to believe what they believe even stronger.
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We think that that's a question that will help them understand why they believe something
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that's complete nonsense. But it has the completely opposite result. Now this was done on a big study
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where they went up to people and they said why do you support the party you support?
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The person then gave a series of rationalizations and you know rather nicely social sounding answers
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and then they said to that person, oh can I donate to that party on your behalf as a thank you?
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The person then said yes that would be nice. When they changed the question they said can you explain
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the policies of the party you support? The person then had that goldfish look and they realized they
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didn't know and that completely undermined their confidence. And obviously when the people are
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doing the study they're going to have a certain authority as well. And then they said to them,
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can we donate to that party on your behalf? And it was a completely different answer in many cases.
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The person would say actually no I need to think about this a bit more. So the questions that we
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ask, so I think a lot of us would say questions is just one big sort of subject. But when you drill
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into the details, into the weeds and the devils in the details, the actual structure of the question
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you ask will get a completely different response. So when you understand which questions you ask
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and which not to ask, you can go from strengthening someone's delusion to actually starting to clap
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someone's delusion. Now these questions are just very sort of related to the political sphere but
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we're developing a lot of ones for you know any of the narratives really. And then obviously you can
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I'm sure you can see the power of this that when you will really understand at a deep level
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the question you're going to ask, what it's going to trigger in that person from a psychological
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mindset is going to be actually more important than what their answer is going to be.
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So you know environments dominated by partisan cues or emotional appeals perpetuate shallow
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decision making. So what we found from looking into all the studies on political voting,
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it just appears that not many people know why they're voting for who they're voting for or
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anything that's really important. For generally it appears that they only vote for the same
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people that their parents voted for in most cases and that's obviously quite alarming but that tends
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to be the reality of things from looking at the studies. And obviously some people then go against
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their parents exactly but it's often a reference point. So what are the effects of these three
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things? So here's one particular study that's taken from the science of practice of influence
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and according to Cialdini who's you know labeled as the godfather of influence, this was the
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scariest study he'd ever seen. So the question is what percentage of nurses would prescribe
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a drug which was transmitted over the phone, okay, which violated hospital policy. It was actually
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a fake drug and it wasn't approved for use. The actual doses they were asked to give, so this was
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doses they were asked to give, so this was literally a person phoning a nurse, right,
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and just saying he's a doctor. She had never met the doctor before, he just said he was over the
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phone. The dosage was actually twice which was on this bottle because they created a fake bottle
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so it was literally twice the actual maximum daily dose and the nurse had never met or spoken to this
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physician. So the question is how many nurses would then go and give that drug to the patient?
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So these are the options, okay. Now the answer is, I mean any of those is disastrous but the answer
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was 95%. Now when you see the effects of this study, how people have been conditioned for the
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white coat bias and all these things, not many people are thinking. They're just reacting to
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the environmental cues that are going on which have been created via classical and operant
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conditioning and there's so many studies like this. I mean the reason they ran this study was
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was just incredible. A nurse had actually put a
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ear drops, they had administered them in a suppository way because on the thing it said our ear.
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So the nurse had read it as as rear and she put the ear drops in the person's rectum, okay. That is how
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so many people are just acting in just an automatic way. So I'm just going to touch on this
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because I did show this last time I was here but what you can see is now that all of these things
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in green are beliefs that have been conditioned via the media and the TV shows as belief systems
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into a person's unconscious mind that when you create a stimulus they end up with the answer
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safe and effective. All of this on the left happens automatically outside of awareness.
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The person then comes to the conclusion oh it's safe and effective and they trust that that's
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their thought but that has been programmed into them. So how it affects behavior and I'm only
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going to touch on this but really the unconscious mind's main goal other than the pain of pleasure
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is actually to conserve energy. So people will always take the path of least resistance, okay.
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So many people took the jab because it was the path of least resistance but for anyone here
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that pathway wasn't the least resistance because we knew the consequences so it actually became
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the path of most resistance. So it's really the obstacles placed in here really key. So if we look
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at the path of least resistance and we use the picture of Joe here as the conscious mind,
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the horse is the unconscious mind and this map as the computer which represents all the knowledge
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that person has and combine it with what you've just seen. What they did was they
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conditioned people to move away from pain towards the comply and then what they did was they removed
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all the obstacles, okay. Now this here which I won't go into now because it's
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will take a bit of time but it's known as self-perception theory which is once you get
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someone to do one thing which they can't object to they when update their belief system and that's
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how you can take someone step by step or goose step by goose step from being maybe a liberal or
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left to actually having fascist ideas but they won't even know it's happened. So they would go from
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being maybe a pro you know my body my choice to then supporting holding you down and you know
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injecting you with a pathogen. So it's really you know this model I could talk about a bit to
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really show out of all those previous points how it literally conditions a person to behave a certain way.
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So that brings us to the end so really just in summary the first thing was conditioning so
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that's really really key that's how people feel compelled to do things. So we've been conditioned
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to go on a Facebook but most people that use Facebook hate Facebook but that's because they
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feel the unconscious compelled to do so. We've also then got the RAS which is the gatekeeper.
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This is the key to getting through to people. Once we start to shift the RAS people will literally
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change their mind so quickly and the third thing was that illusion of explanatory depth
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which was the really the deception that people have about how the world works
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and that effect will go away once you know how to to quickly or very eloquently challenge it
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and then if you can get someone to change their RAS their mind will change.
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So that brings me to a close you can reach me at this email or that web address and I will open it
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up for Q&A. Beautiful so David great great job now I've got a couple of key questions for you
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before while Stephen's getting his thinking together. What's two questions? What is the
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most surprising belief that you have changed in your life and as you're thinking about that I'll
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remind everybody about the four stages of life. First stage is when you believe in Santa Claus,
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the second stage is when you don't believe in Santa Claus, the third stage is when you are
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Santa Claus and then the fourth stage is when you look like Santa Claus but anyway belief in
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Santa Claus so my question is a serious one what's the most surprising belief that you've changed and
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secondly who are the brilliant guys who wrote yes minister and yes prime minister because the
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PsiOps that they described in those TV programs was simply magnificent. So those two questions
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David and then we'll go to Stephen for his 15 minutes. The first one is that I can make a
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difference okay we're all conditioned to think that the world is this big powerful thing that's
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going on and we're a little tiny piece of sand in it and we can't make any difference that's
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conditioned into us on purpose but when you start to realize you can do some things that can really
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change some big things and everyone has that power that's the thing that I found really key. Now
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I've just finished I'm just going around the second time there's a thing called the Lefko
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method which is a way in how to change beliefs so we can literally change any belief in about 30
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minutes now and it's incredible. How do you spell Lefko? L-E-F-K-O? K-O-E. L-E-F-K-O-E. So what's
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interesting is that I went I literally paid about six thousand to do the three courses
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they were incredible it's all homework based etc now I only got the homework in on time 10% of the
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time okay so I had lots of conditioning to hold myself back to really not like homework all of
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these things anyway we've developed some processes to recondition ourselves I used it on that and on
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the second time round after four weeks I've got the homework in 100% of the time totally unrelated
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to whatever I wanted to the intention was always there but it's not about what you can do or want
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to do it's what how you can really program yourself to do what you want to do. Nice nice that's really
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bindable the Lefko method. Yeah that's brilliant I mean there's loads of this I mean we've got lots
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of things that we basically we've built a series of processes and some of them already built
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obviously to change belief systems to decondition to break programming all these things now we
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envisage that it's possible to do it on a large scale via documentaries because it's all about
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the order in which you do things yeah Maldi Lefko was the guy he's passed away now but basically
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once you understand how the brain works and all these things that are going on then effectively
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you can learn to control yourself but that's what they've done to us you understand they literally
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they are the people pushing the propagandas and the people in power they understand this much
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better than we understand ourselves and yes Prime Minister just on a note have you seen the yes
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ladder example? Yeah. The yes ladder so basically there's a two minute clip and I can find it and
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send it if you want it's a great demonstration on how to lead someone up the garden path and he does
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it in two minutes and he gets the person to two completely different conclusions. Was that the
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trident nuclear exercise because that was the one that sticks in my mind from the 70s you know?
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It was the one where he said should we bring back compulsory entry into the army. Yeah
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yes it's just just spectacular so who are those authors I mean they're so clever to analyze that
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anyway I bring everyone's attention Stephen must have watched yes Minister and yes Prime Minister
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but thank you David most interesting lots of other questions we'll get to Stephen for the
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next 15 minutes and then others will have plenty of questions I'm sure. So David how did they
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get the whole world to do and say the same stuff you know all around the world in your opinion?
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Have you got any closer to identifying people responsible? Well that's orchestration so what
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you've got is that once you understand incentives and there's a book on this called mixed signals
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so incentives is one of the nine elements of mind space so you can pretty much control
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billions of people by just incentivizing them to do what you want them to do.
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You just create the right incentive structure so you so look at all the councils in the UK they
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pretty much bankrupted them all and they said right well you've got to implement these policies to get
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the money okay and that's it you've got them controlled I mean basically so via that classical
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the operant conditioning look what happened to Andrew Bridgen when he stood up okay so that was
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an example of everyone else you stand up you're going to get that stick okay and you're going to
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lose all your carrots so that's how so much of this is controlled people are aware that there's
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consequences to their behavior and you set up the right incentive screen uh straight uh incentives
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you can pretty much predict with really accurate perspective on what people will do for instance
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they now know via various studies that there's four elements that under the right conditions you
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can move the moral compass of 70 percent of the population okay now most companies have those
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four elements present so basically if you look at the banking system there was a study run out of
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switzerland that was testing the honesty of all different professions and they did it via getting
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them to flip a coin in private and then just uh stating how many was heads and tails and they
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got bonus when it was heads turns out that when bankers are at home they don't cheat but when you
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remind them about being bankers not only do they cheat but they cheat more than prison inmates
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okay so what you've got is the norms within a uh society or the norms within a business or whatever
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is what conducts already influences a lot of people's behavior so yeah to get everyone to
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do everything it's relatively straightforward you set up the right incentives you condition in the
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right uh things that if you stand up you get silence and all these things so yeah there's a whole
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series of things that you do and then you'll get a load of compliance yeah so how do they get people
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all around the world certainly in western europe to believe that and america um that ucraine could
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defeat russia well which never made any sense yeah well i i it is pretty amazing um but you see
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it's not done by logic it's done by emotion but where's the emotion in a country like ukraine
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well if you look right so if you look at something like jack reacher okay so the scene is jack walks
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into the the new town gets off the bus walks into the new town a couple comes out the store
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and the the man looks like he's just about to hit the woman and then you get jack to intervene and
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save the day what do you think about jack jack's a good guy what do you think about the guy about
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he's why he's the bad guy it's literally just that's how they do filmmaking so every picture
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of one guy is bombing a score when every picture the other guy is receiving an oscar off of
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some actor it's basically it's just advertising put product next to good emotion put other product
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next to bad emotion if you look at any movie where you've got a villain and a hero it's actually the
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scenes that get you to feel so in jack reacher they have him save a dog i'm a dog lover okay
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so i'm looking at that and i just instantly feel a connection to jack okay when jack goes off and
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killing people in cold blood without justice or the rule of law then i feel a little bit
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but you see that's what they're doing they're using the emotion yeah it was a good point don't
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watch any hollywood they're using the emotion to get you to like something and dislike something
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and if you're a conscious person a lot of time i'll see you'll see through it but you can't decide
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how you respond to that you pretty much have to not watch it okay so that's literally and and
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and the because they've you know because i think that most people would think
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that ukraine's got a bunch of other countries behind them so it's almost like oh it's not just
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the little person being bullied they've got their dad and their brother behind them but it won't
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make any logic but it doesn't have to because they're not based in the decision on logic
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they're based on their decision on emotion and then what the brain will do is rationalization
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yeah so david do you think that the they actually tried to destabilize people by
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by um getting them to believe in things that they they wouldn't normally believe you know so
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look at the ukraine war the whole thing was mystifying to me from the people it appeared
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in early 22 i think it was climate change same and covid the same there was no pandemic
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no pandemic and that took a bit more work working out for most people but the ukraine war and
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climate change just staring in the face of its fraud um so and they got people to believe you
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know the people who were trying to influence they got them to believe all three of those
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and there were more things which didn't make sense and so was the idea to get them to believe stuff
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that actually deep down they knew they shouldn't believe but they they there was so much pressure
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on them that they actually sold their soul in the end and they and the idea was to get them to
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not respect themselves was that part of it at all well that is there is some evidence to suggest
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that so there was a very famous asian warrior that would bring a horse in and say this is a deer
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and anyone that disagreed he just murdered because they were not compliant to him
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okay so some of this stuff is a compliance test but it's a very slippery road that the minute you
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take a few steps down that yes your belief system will change but it there's many different types of
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self-image that we have so there's one that we project to the world and there's a real one that
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governs our behavior so the person will go right okay well in order to survive i'm going to have
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to just concede and do as i'm told because it just seems so overwhelming and you know people want to
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be on the side that wins etc so there is evidence to suggest that steven and the belief system the
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way that this and it's known as self-perception theory the way that the belief system will change
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according to someone's behavior is really struck me as being startling so what happens is that our
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belief system drives our behavior and it's a kind of reinforced loop so it's a two-way street so if
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we do something different we're actually monitoring our own behavior and then our belief systems will
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change so by forcing a person to take a mask you're forcing them into a false choice where they know
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it's not going to work so they either push back against it or they change their belief system but
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when they're forced to do so and they don't have the record belief systems or courage then what
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happens is they will change their belief system but it does it happens unconsciously so when you
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talk to people and you hear people say oh my parents talk it and then i asked them why they
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say oh i just want a quiet life they don't realize that wanting a quiet life is a result of learned
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helplessness from a decades and decades of conditioning then i want a quiet life is pretty
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much saying there's this group of people that run this country and i just have to appease them as
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much as possible so they let me at least live a quiet life that makes sense we're not aware that
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the the levels of condition that have to go on that if you take a child that has total confidence
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in themselves and you put them in a classroom where there's a strong person at the front and says
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what you have to do everything as i say that for me is is designed to break the spirit of the child
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to get them to comply and then you've got 20 you know whatever years of conditioning every time you
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do as i say you get a gold star every time you don't do as i say you go in the corner or you get
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the cane or whatever it is and and it goes from being physical you know years ago to now be an
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emotional blackmail but decades of that literally will wear a person down if they don't have you
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know something about them that can push against it so in 2020 david did they deliberately
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upset the world in the view of most people you know so it created chaos and that nothing made
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sense and um and that was disturbing enough but then people because nothing made sense they were
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fearful yeah and then they realized that they couldn't actually talk to anyone because
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people became their fearful state their perceptions were all different they couldn't connect with
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anyone and then they found that they were breaking up with friends and family members
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and that kind of spooked them even more was it a kind of vicious uh circle going round and round
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and getting worse and worse in order yeah in order to create a new society you effectively have to
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disrupt the old one so they disrupt in a pattern of behavior they disrupt in thought patterns etc
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but that question i mean that would take hours to answer because there's so many elements to it
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that you know you create a huge amount of emotion okay and then you take away everything that
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someone values and you say right you can have this back when you do as i say
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and then what they did was they gave everybody a buffet of excuses okay and of course you know it
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was herd instinct it was basically you know herd instinct historically developed as a survival
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strategy in a survival mechanism so when you look at an antelope if it's on its own it's pretty
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screwed but if it's in a big group you know not everyone has to look out so pack behavior is one
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of the ways that we evolved but then you get a few people that peel off and then understand how the
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pack operates and then uses its behavior against it is what we've witnessed so the the consensus
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belief system is really really really powerful yes and so human beings operate they have habits
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and the habits normally would carry on and on but then they disrupt the habit and the habit can
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once the habit is broken like over a week it's very difficult for them to resume the habit is
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that correct so well oh sorry yeah well that's that's a difficult question because it needs a
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bit more specific but i think to to i think what you're touching on is heuristics so basically
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we've got loads of rules of fun that we have in our mind for instance if let's say you was in
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holiday in spain and you walked past two restaurants and one of them was really busy and the other one
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was empty which one do you think was better me personally well not your but what like what would
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you think was the better restaurant the busy one would be the general populace would say a lot of
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some people might go in the quiet one because they they want to be in and out but generally
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most people would think the busier one would be better but this is how they hack our minds so
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let's say the restaurant on the left that's a busy one the owner has got all of his cousins down to
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sit there to make it look busy and then what he's done is he's put some you know dog poo on the
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other one's you know doorstep so what they're then doing is they're manipulating people's
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natural instincts and that's what a salesman do is they know what's going on so then they
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appear to be something other than they are so the person perceives it as they want them to be
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perceived very good so charles i'll give someone else a chance to do it very good that's you're
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perfect 15 minutes precisely steven yeah well done didn't even look at my watch well done
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subconsciously we've trained you well all about feelings joss not logic
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jessica love to have you here and love it i've seen you in dublin recently yes likewise and
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you look stunning much this doesn't do you justice on here i must say thank you very impressive
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i'll do anything for a fiver charles you know that
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david i had to take care of a phone call during that so if you've already covered this i'll watch
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it on catch up and won't take more time from you but the question i really want to ask your
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opinion on is we know a lot these days about why people do things how it's done how we manipulated
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and in my way of looking at it i always just tell people watch the commercials with the sound off
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and you can just see exactly what's going on then but my question is about the people who don't do
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it because i know it's not upbringing or conditioning because you know i've got siblings
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why are there those people who simply don't who just who just see it see through the illusion
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yeah i this is literally the first question that we all have okay now i could talk about hours
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about this but it's really there is something about it's they they pretty much label it as
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prior experiences so whilst you might have shared the same upbringing as your brothers and sisters
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you would have had distinctly different unique experiences and there'd be something in there
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that space is almost like an algorithm that would have alerted you and that would have been that
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razz that's filtering the world has literally been able to see what they can't see okay so if you get
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two people with different razz watch the same film or watch the same experience they literally see
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different things okay that doesn't rule out potential aspects of spirituality and all the
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other things because you can you know that's definitely possible and if you look at morphogenic
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fields with sheldrake that's always that's also possible but if we stayed strictly scientific and
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physical it's your prior experiences okay there's just something about what you noticed
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yeah for me there was a lot of things as a kid but there was an experience i had as 19 where
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i got rushed in the hospital and i suddenly realized the doctors had no clue what they were
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doing they literally scared the shit out of me telling me there was all these things wrong with
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me and then another doctor come in and say there's nothing wrong with him he's got a chest infection
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that sent me home that contradiction that experience was so strong that it broke that model of the
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world okay so when you look at people that have gone into natural health the majority of those
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people now know that the pharmaceutical companies are absolute you know total criminals so most of
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those would have known something was up for some reason the yoga community didn't okay no
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they met see what it is that we we generally take a lot of advice from the people with influence
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okay so that's why they paid a lot the influences because the influences will really affect the
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their followers so a lot of the yogis and the people at the yoga institutes and whatever were
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you know paid a lot of money to take the jab and believe in it and then of course they got to the
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churches so a lot of the people in the church would be affected and all this thing so what they did
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was they looked for all the influence in pillars of power and affected those but once you have
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epic meaning or purpose nothing will work on you okay once you know what you're here to do
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once you know that you've got a place and you've got a role to do none of that stuff works on you
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anymore yeah it just won't have any effect you know they will be able to get suddenly things
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at you from certain conditionings but as a general rule once you know once the game's up it's up
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yeah that makes total sense and i can imagine as well i mean we had a very rough childhood a lot
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of homelessness and very very very rough sort of experience yeah but i was i was the one that
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that didn't buy into this but everyone i was nothing i can do about it and and then you know
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even down to yeah well people like you are the problem yeah yeah well you see the that come from
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yeah well yeah the thing is though you would have lost a lot of confidence in the system
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from your experience oh certainly but it sounds like the others literally because
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to the four f's is fight flight freeze and form and what happens is a lot of people
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are just falling as the way to survival yeah you decided to fight it's like screw this okay a lot
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of people were just trying to escape but you couldn't really with a pandemic because it was global
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and then of course most of the population are stuck in freeze so those four f's are pretty
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pretty important but this is why you see a lot of people just fall in oh if i just do as a good
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little boy or girl then i'll be okay and that's the stage that most people seem to be in their
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freeze because a lot of the people you know if we use the truth movement as a loose term
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they are stuck in freeze at the moment yeah i'll get that traumatized beyond belief yeah it's
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really understandable but if we're to get out of this we've got to move that freeze into fight and
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action and other things yeah and i think fear and trauma does infantilize people as well and they'll
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just go back to where they think it's the safest place to be so put the news on or something you
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know because it's the comfort zone yeah fear is very paralyzing probably the second most
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powerful emotion but it easily overrides the others if you're not careful yeah totally well
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thanks very much for that i really appreciate it thank you jesse here everyone look check out
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jesse's book the topic of cancer great title not the topic of cancer but the topic of cancer
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um which i have in my hand cancer is by henry miller yes the topic of cancer is by jessica
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richards much more important now um before we go to glenn steve i just want to point out john
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baudwin is available to present to us so you get in touch with him um john's got some great stuff
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by just bringing it to your attention yes i have that that that happens so i i um i i sent an email
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to john today yeah that's so just organize i'm just bringing to your attention so that
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um i don't forget it glenn is next and then it's me hi david uh i listen i've uh listened very
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intently to both your prior presentations here um what i'd like to do is postulate something i mean
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to some extent your layout describes what happens in group psychology and and where you're dealing
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with large groups of people and sometimes those can be large groups on both sides i'm going to
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postulate that that's not true here that what we have now is a very tiny number of trillionaires
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that are simply looking to enslave the rest of humanity uh and they have used the techniques of
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lie cheat steal and murder in order to get control over the institutions a variety of of
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leaderships and whether it's church or or or uh political positions and once they've trapped those
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people uh in those techniques they they have to go along with whatever the criminal syndicate is
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telling them to do i actually in agreement by the way i i i think what you've got is the man behind
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the curtain you know from the wizard of oz yeah once they get everyone else believing in what
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they're doing but one of the techniques i believe they're using constantly is that they are finding
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uh people that are of of pure content and pure interest and and in favor of humanity
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and they're sabotaging them yes exactly so so let me give you a couple of examples
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yeah um uh the canadian truckers they developed through their own communication linkage and their
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own style a group think and and when they once they got that rolling they got a huge amount of
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the public endorsement so what happened the elites the trillionaires they had to send in their
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saboteurs so they they they found their people to go in and join join the truckers be one of them
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help you know say you want to help with their leadership offer lots of services maybe offer
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money and and they worked themselves into those groups and then they basically tore them to shreds
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another example of this in in people that we have seen right here in this particular
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zoom call arrangement i'm going to point out two of them one of them
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four four or five months ago came in and spoke about how his daughter was poisoned in in uh in
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in a hospital and uh how he was defending her and taking that um and he went through that high
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entire discussion but then when he got to the next part of it he said and he he invoked his religious
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background to it and then said i can't defend i i won't agree to the issue of voting for uh the
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the less worse of two evils and he basically encouraged everyone don't vote now anyone that
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ever compared trump to biden says well i may not like trump but i can't see him as being anywhere
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near as evil as biden and so once you convince people not to vote that's what they wanted they
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didn't want good people to be in fact voting for someone that may not been their best choice but
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was better than the other choice i'm going to give one other example and then let you comment
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on it and this was just a couple weeks ago uh we had patrick wood on now patrick wood has done some
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brilliant work of of tracking down through the trilateral commission uh things going back to the
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30s and especially later on with with the rockfella foundation 70s and the 80s but i contend and i and
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i said this openly that that he got tricked later on and he got fooled into believing
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that uh that that there were a variety of corrupt elements to the uh to trump and to a range of the
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trump uh uh designees to be in his his government um and that he basically got tricked into thinking
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oh trump's a bad guy so i i gotta warn people about that uh so that they so the whole world
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doesn't join in even though every single theme when you bring up a single topic like the trans
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world 80 of the public believes in that and and they think the democrats are idiots for for standing
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behind that theme even even as their whole party is is collapsing so uh that's my question to you
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do you see that same kind of thing where very good honest good intent you know intentioned people
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that are very morally grounded end up being tricked into uh confusing the public
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simply so that the the broad-based humanity can't come back in mass and and undo the trillionaires
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well there's well there's so many different elements to that the the one of the things is
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that there's a lot of mercenaries out there mercenaries such as um what's his name piers morgan
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that we got in the uk right and steven and anyone in the uk would know that man is the armpit of
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society is a toenail on the end of scum he literally but you see he doesn't necessarily
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believe in the ideology but he will do whatever he's paid to do okay and this is where incentives
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are really really key so there's a lot of people like for instance when you look at all the
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and i'm sure i certainly know a lot of the countries i've visited over the last two years
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have a real big problem in immigration and it tends to be men of a fighting age etc etc
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now if they those men end up joining the army they have no loyalty okay and anyone that has a power
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and and wants to do things not very good if they've got an army that will do anything because they're
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mercenaries versus an army that will only do what's right then you know so mercenaries a lot are very
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powerful to anybody that wants to do anything so certainly the elites then what you've got is
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ideologies and belief systems and we had a massive problem over here where people you know and and
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the talk the truth movement was really torn between people that saying well we have to vote even if
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we just try and get some independence in and there was a lot of people that said there's no point it
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makes no difference okay now both schools of thought you can understand why they've come to
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that conclusion but it really doesn't solve anything yeah so that's that's another piece
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and then this thing about controlled opposition is really problematic because one of the biggest
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psyops is thinking everything's a scion okay so the salem witch stuff where they've had professor
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and the thing is nearly every concept i'll talk about has been well studied and they know what
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effect they will get so if you get 40 students in a class and you tell them what we're going to do
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today is that i'm going to whisper in your ear whether you're a person or a witch and your job
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is to work out who the witches are okay so they say right at the end of the day all the people
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that have been accused of witches go to one side and like 25 percent of the room goes to one side
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and then they say right put your hand up if you're a witch no one puts their hand up because they
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were all people but they were looking for witches now there are controlled opposition that's almost
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guaranteed we know of brigade 77 etc etc but nowhere near as in the level in which people
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are accusing others so pretty much i'm pretty sure that nearly everyone on this call has been
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called a shill or something of some description at some point when you said something that somebody
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else didn't agree with their go-to is to call you controlled opposition or a shill so that's very
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problematic and the people pushing the agendas they can do so much damage by making up all memes
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and false accusations by somebody that's telling the truth that makes sense so that's very
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problematic and i you know i've thought about this a lot and i spoke to people about it how we
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combat this you know we get around it because i got called all sorts of names just because i
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agreed to be a referee on a zoom call with two groups that were fighting each other literally
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unpaid just agreed to try and make everyone as impartial as possible the amount of abuse i got
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from doing that i'm like what the hell like if we have see because the thing is when people get
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emotional they want to be judged red okay they want to be the judge the jury and the executioner
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right i know what's right and this is how it's going to be but of course a society functioning
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community can't act that way right so especially when we know how we function so
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they you know and to touch on the point look at the canada i spoke at the we unify conference
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last year where if you were waving the canadian flag you were a nazi okay they they paid a bunch
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of trans protesters to go down and say we were spreading hate nobody knew why even they didn't
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know why because the media went out and asked them why are you here they're spreading hate what did
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they say oh we don't know like what the hell so but but clive do something um he he went there
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week ago because i spoke to him on sunday and he said right they're all flying the canadian flag now
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right because what they've done now the propaganda says right well we've got to fight trump
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so now we're canadians let's fly that so literally they just flip from one to the other
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um but we do have a real challenge because due to the curse of knowledge when we're on the same
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on this like say all of us here we just assume that we all believe the same things
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but if we had a checklist of all the different narratives and all the different belief systems
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which would be a very interesting thing to do and then we all state what we believe and then we were
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able to have a sort of imminent critique of that and and look at it i think it would be a very
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enriching process i know that i don't know everything in fact i know very you know i
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concentrate on the psychology i don't have my finger on the pulse so you know we've got to
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find a way to solve a lot of these things um but certainly you know the comments you made is you
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know very valid in many areas and it's to understand that you know the mercenaries are a real big
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problem because they don't have any allegiance they don't have any ideology they just do whatever
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they're told to do and as an example in wells fargo they set up their incentive program
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um incorrectly the member of staff would get a bonus if their existing customer opened a new
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account 5200 of employees committed fraud i mean that's astonishing you set up the right
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environment for people to do wrong and they will do wrong okay hopefully that sheds a few thank you
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one quick follow-up and i want to i think it may lead to you steven your concern will g why
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why did uh zelinski ever think he could win against putin um you have to understand the
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motivations uh neither putin nor zelinski wanted to win they just wanted to fight because that's
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where the most money comes to them is when somebody else is funding the war so that's that's
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why it went on and has gone on for so long simply both sides both putin uh was making money on it
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and zelinski and by the way if you haven't seen him yet take a look at the pictures that are tying
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zelinski back and he may be the son of george soros wow love it okay love it thank you glenn
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who's saying that thank you who's saying that if you haven't seen the photos i'll post it
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all right thanks thanks post it where i'll put the pointer in the chat okay very good okay um
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thank you thank you glenn before we go to john david um i've been an executive coach for 31
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years i've been a professional speaker for 31 years and in my experience of one-on-one coaching
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and i challenge the people on this call and anyone watching this recording in my experience
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the vast majority of people have no conscious idea of what they believe and i'm sure you've
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found the same thing i have no idea what they believe they are unable to articulate what they
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believe and yet you have pointed out and i reinforce it that their decisions are based
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on these beliefs they're not even conscious they've got and so all of you watching all of
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you here you know what david's telling us and all what i'm telling you all it is to wake up
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to understand what you believe and then when you look at it to question so what do i actually
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believe about that and you will be stunningly surprised the second issue is david you said hey
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i don't know at all each one of us knows the best metaphor i have for this
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is that if you imagine the volume of knowledge on the planet as an olympic-sized swimming pool
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and by the way talking about referees david i was an international water polo referee
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so every time i made a decision half the thousands of people would call me a prick the other ones
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would say i'm brilliant and then make another decision then the other half would say i'm
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brilliant and now i'm a prick and so being a referee is interesting in the psychology of
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umpires in you know international games they soccer matches and the like it's it's quite
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it's quite um interesting i don't know where i was going with that i was going to say something
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um no i lost it doesn't matter so so i'll take oh sorry the swimming pool analogy
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if that's that's why i thought of water polo an olympic-sized swimming pool has a million
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liters of water if you picture that as the sum total of all human knowledge the smartest guy
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in the room might know 10 000 liters of the million liters the smartest guy in the room
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each one of us knows maybe a thousand liters of the million liters 0.1 percent
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and this idea that an anthony de mello beautifully says beautifully points out in his book awareness
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i'm sure you've read de mello's book awareness it's wonderful he says each one of us is just an
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idiot and when you accept that you're an idiot then you stop trying to walk around impressing people
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that you know it all because the smartest guy in the room might know one percent of the stuff
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one percent of the stuff and so voltaire's got a similar quote isn't he he says the more the study
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the more i realize i know nothing yeah we know nothing and so and so in the con in the conversations
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that we have here the views the opinions the upsets and all of that so picture that olympic
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size swimming pool everybody and you know and and be hungry to learn so um find understand you know
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i just urge everybody and the issue the question that challenged us david it's a big question
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steven and i have talked about it here many times is the psyop that has been exercised on the medical
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fraternity since 1910 all right and so the the the your chart of questions was very good and
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one of the challenges that we have is my view in australia is the 20 percent of doctors
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would tend towards we call them the truth seekers and the freedom fighters 80 percent are totally
858
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lost same in the uk 20 would question the system but insufficient are doing it publicly and and
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david one of the things we have to do is to if the medical profession and lawyers are the same by the
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way the question is the psyop that's been exercised on them how what are the questions that we can
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ask our doctors and doctors can ask of each other to shift this mad this may all the doctors have
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become mercenaries as we know you know it was my mortgage or your health clearly paying my mortgage
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is more important than your health so that's the question that i have of you you know have have you
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1:31:43
thought about how we break through this side yeah yeah well a lot i mean it would take hours to
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literally go through it there's a number of solutions one of them is we really need a
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1:31:53
knowledge base okay for anyone that's working big corporations what a knowledge base is imagine
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1:31:59
everyone on this call all the implicit knowledge in their heads if we could get that implicit
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knowledge into an explicit system where everyone else could access it then all we we pretty much
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1:32:11
have that hive mind in all accessing the top information so i'm talking with a couple of
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1:32:15
people in canada at the moment to try and build one about vaccination so then when you're going
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1:32:19
to talk to someone you can destroy their argument very quickly because you've got the information
872
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1:32:23
but it's not the information that's going to do it you're going to be able to tell them stories
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1:32:29
and get their mind open and when it's open then you've got the info so that's one thing but there's
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1:32:34
a whole bunch of different solutions i mean one of the biggest pressures is the finance system
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1:32:40
okay because there's a thing law of the commons which is pretty much people and families will
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look after themselves first which is why you see those doctors are looking after their
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their families and their mortgage and their income first because of the system that they're stuck in
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this is the problem the systems are so degenerative they're so problematic and it's
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1:32:55
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pretty much the incentives that's a problem we will consciously say oh no no corruption doesn't
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1:33:01
1:33:08
operate that but all the studies show opposite four list of behaviors 65 percent of people's
881
1:33:08
1:33:14
moral compass will move stanley milgram showed that up to 65 percent of people will literally
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1:33:20
press a button to kill another person just because someone in a white coat told them to do so
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1:33:26
so we've got to transcend all of these things but in terms of solutions i think it's you know
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there's a lot of brainstorm that needs to happen and then there's a lot of people where so many
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different people have a piece of the puzzle and you get those people together so they can build
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1:33:38
1:33:43
the solution together is one of the things i'm literally yeah there's yeah there's so many
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1:33:43
1:33:50
bit there's so much so it's so complicated but okay there's some good thoughts there i will
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1:33:55
yeah we've got to collaborate basically and we work out where we're going and then find a way to
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find a way to train ourselves to go there yeah so you're an international water polo referee
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and you're hung well from hungary originally and i had a friend in sweden who i used to play tennis
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1:34:19
with and his name was gula gal and he was a water polo international from hungary and then came to
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1:34:24
sweden and became a water polo international for sweden i wonder whether you know him gula gal he
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1:34:30
was a he was a doc medical doctor radiologist event ended up as a radiologist the question is
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1:34:45
had how how you write his name steven because g u y l a was it gal g a l g u y a l yeah he was
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1:34:49
so he was in hungarian team and hungary are very good at water polo hungary is the preeminent
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nation in water polo everybody's won eight olympic gold medals since 1896 the near next
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nearest is three yes the hungarians are by far the best and it's a very interesting issue on culture
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great example of a particular culture by the way hungary's won more noble laureates per
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1:35:10
capita than any nation on the planet just bring that out to you steven well i'm not sure that's
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1:35:15
true i think uh uk is pretty higher but having said that what do we think of noble prizes
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no that's correct good question not not not much these days
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um so john baudwin with his french origins here david bow well he thinks french what is it french
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1:35:38
and mixture of everything john yeah i'm um uh three quarters french one quarter irish so the
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1:35:44
french is really quebecois so i say i come from quebec not france because i don't like them but
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anyway uh actually with names uh charlambou is is that kind of like uh harlem bay is it are you greek
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greek yeah is it is it a version of harlem bay just a different spelling i'm not aware but it is
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from cyprus okay um so charles uh most of water polo is played under the under the water is that
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correct that's correct people don't realize that you get slammed in the balls all the time and uh
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it hurts and when they push off they push off with something with their feet the other thing is um
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so if people have different the numbers of leaders when we talk about biden would would you say biden
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has um one liter two liters or no i think biden just peed in the pool um he paid in the cup very
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1:36:41
good so salem witch trials uh david you mentioned the first article i ever wrote in substack i it's
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1:36:48
called the value of contrarianism in the time of witchery and um i went through that everybody's
914
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1:36:53
talking about nazis all the time right everybody's talking about 1930s germany and i just didn't want
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to follow the trends so i did that and and what i learned was that there's a war that occurred well
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1:37:04
first of all why do people act the way they do uh like you said there's a number of things you know
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fear of impending war poor crop growth prolonged cold temperatures um charismatic leaders so it
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could be anything i mean if you look at salem it kind of all almost happened at the same time
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1:37:21
everybody was afraid of being attacked by uh soldiers coming down from the north who had
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1:37:27
just gotten beaten but the war that had just happened was father baudouin's war and uh that's
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1:37:33
my name and it turns out father baudouin's first name was jon so same i have a war named after me
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first and last name it's pretty cool um you mentioned something that might um like why do
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1:37:48
people like how do you get people to do stuff and i have this um i've adapted everything i do is from
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engineering david because i'm an electrical engineer that's my career and i've learned systems
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when i think about economic systems even um behavioral systems financial everything
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1:38:04
it one of the things that we used to do is called topping off you get as much as you can with the
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1:38:09
first set of tests on a chip right because it costs money to be on a tester it's a high capital
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1:38:14
equipment cost so you throw the chip on there and your first test will get like 60 percent
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1:38:21
your next next uh test might get another 30 or up to 90 and then you you keep doing that your goal
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1:38:27
depending on the chip if it's military grade something you're looking at 99.99 percent
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1:38:33
99.99 fault coverage if it's a cell phone 98 percent's fine if two percent escaped to the
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1:38:37
to the public so they don't work they bring them back right it depends on whether it's not it's
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1:38:44
life involved so imagine um you get 60 percent of people through solicitation financial incentives
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1:38:51
as you mentioned you still don't have uh 40 percent of the people and you need to get maybe 95 percent
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1:38:57
so then you use coercion so with solicitation from the cares act that got most of the hospital
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1:39:03
administrators to lean on the doctors using coercion you're now up to like 90 percent and
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1:39:07
you want you still need more people so what do you do you make public examples out of people like
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1:39:16
meryl nass and uh mark trossy up in canada um daniel nagase uh john latel down in florida
939
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1:39:21
you get another five percent of the doctors around the country to phone
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1:39:26
online now you're up to 95 the other five percent marginalize them to you know suppress their voices
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1:39:33
in social media so i'm agreeing with you and all that stuff uh dogma um what didn't i agree with
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1:39:40
you on um because that's where the interesting part comes in and dialogue right um i'm trying
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1:39:44
to find it i have it here well let me just comment on critical thinking i don't know what you think
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1:39:50
about how colleges think they can teach critical thinking you can't teach critically they can try
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1:39:55
but really if you want to teach critical thinking have the professor uh come up and whack somebody
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1:39:59
in the back of the head from then on they'll be worried about somebody whacking them in the back
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1:40:07
of the head and thinking isn't enough either so yeah it's just take out critical just think go
948
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1:40:12
ahead sorry well you see the thing is well we're actually doing um i'm gonna be teaching a series
949
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1:40:20
of workshops on this with dr david funder and shanae stringer so david's a political philosopher
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1:40:26
and and shanae to behavioral scientist and critical thinking is really key but the problem
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1:40:31
is that if you've got a faulty variable it doesn't matter how critically you think so basically
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the adaptive unconscious is a really key piece of this and and charles was touching on it when he
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1:40:42
said there's pretty much most of your beliefs are hidden in the adaptive unconscious and you
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1:40:49
don't have access to it but you can infer what's in there so you know i was fortunate enough to
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1:40:53
work with bruce lipton on a project for a couple of years and he he wrote the biology belief and
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1:40:57
he said if you want to know what your beliefs are just look around if you've got no money then
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1:40:57
1:41:02
you've got a poor belief around money if you're single you've got like so you can infer what's
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1:41:06
in the adaptive unconscious because you can't see what's in there and that's what's really key
959
1:41:06
1:41:12
and with critical thinking i've pretty much tried to read every book on behavioral science
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1:41:20
and perception and pretty much they all will talk about blind spots and will say that everyone's
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1:41:29
got them but they will somehow find a way to ignore their own so in nearly every single one
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1:41:36
of those books they use vaccination as an example of when people don't critically think because they
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1:41:44
don't believe in it which is absolutely absurd and even the guy that book i mentioned earlier
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1:41:50
mixed signals a really key book because he that guy ewey genese is probably the world expert on
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1:41:56
incentives and how poor incentives create poor outcomes now there can't be any worse industry
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1:42:00
for poorly designed incentives than the pharmaceutical industry but in the book
967
1:42:00
1:42:05
ewey makes the blanket statement i took the vaccine because i believe in science
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1:42:06
1:42:14
now that is the biggest condition bullshit in history yeah so yes so i think what you said
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1:42:22
was really important and completely correct around it's not just one thing okay so when someone wears
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1:42:27
a mask somebody's wearing it because they're scared somebody's wearing it because they want
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1:42:31
to conform somebody's wearing it because they don't want to be confronted something and somebody's
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1:42:36
wearing it because two of those three another person so you've almost got this many-to-many
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1:42:45
relationship because of that now one thing that's interesting is that engineering you can predict
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1:42:50
things very accurately because you've got all the known variables don't you really you can you can
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1:42:56
flush most of them out from what i can see but with human behavior there's always this little bit
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1:43:03
of even the person doesn't know themself so there's so many studies on this for instance
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1:43:11
they gave people three washing powders and they said right tell us which one is the best one and
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1:43:11
1:43:15
they said oh the number one's the best and they said why is number one the best they said oh it
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1:43:15
1:43:20
was just better for this reason that reason and that reason all the washing powders were the same
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1:43:26
the only thing that was different was the box so what you've got is that people are
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not in general very good at articulating why they've done something because for the most part that
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1:43:38
why is hidden from their conscious mind and this is the real challenge with this because
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1:43:49
to show people this effect they won't believe it until they see enough studies okay but that means
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1:43:56
that that particular thing ends up being is one of the greatest stealth weapons that the people
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1:43:56
1:44:03
pushing the narrative have and i said yeah can i add to that because this is a this is really important
986
1:44:03
1:44:12
this is really important what you just said is it can't agree more so inferential statistical
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1:44:12
1:44:20
methods are used improperly by many purviews within engineering and i use an example in my own career
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1:44:28
because it's easy you have complete control over all the variables in a plasma chamber and along
989
1:44:28
1:44:33
the 400 steps of bringing a semiconductor wafer toward being chips the manufacturing of
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1:44:40
semiconductors you control the pressure temperature the frequency of light 493 nanometers or now the
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1:44:50
near the euv extended ultraviolet so you control every every aspect physically and so if you want
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1:44:57
to increase yield which means fewer bad chips on a wafer and this translates to billions of dollars
993
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1:45:03
in profit your profits are at the margins of failure aware you can get you can get your yield
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1:45:09
from 95 percent and 99.5 that's a huge amount of money so you control all that now the use of
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1:45:16
statistics inferential statistical methods in that case where it costs you two million dollars every
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1:45:22
every time you do a prototype run so you tweak the process and spend two million bucks and you run
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1:45:22
1:45:28
it's like oh it went down not up you know but so using statistics when you have control over all
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1:45:33
the variables great it's great for engineering but now this epidemiology bullshit profession
999
1:45:33
1:45:39
sorry if any epidemiologists are here but it's not a science it's a social science it's all it's all
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1:45:39
1:45:43
full of crap with all their confidence intervals and p values they use a normal distribution for
1001
1:45:43
1:45:49
everything they have no idea if they have a normal distribution it could be bimodal polymodal and
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1:45:55
they're talking um say there's another example i use prostate cancer right happens in old people
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1:46:01
the average age of prostate cancer is in i think it's uh it's like 67 or 73 or something like that
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1:46:09
hardly anybody gets it before they're 50 right testicular cancer the average age is 30 you get
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1:46:16
it from like 18 to 40 so this these are both male cancers and from 40 to 50 you're not getting
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1:46:21
either one of them not happening but if you take the two data sets throw them together and say male
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1:46:26
cancers you'll find that the the uh the mean is is right where it will never happen and if you
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1:46:32
look at a normal distribution and apply that to the data set you'll find that oh that's the most
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1:46:37
likely place it's going to happen no it's not you've created a bimodal distribution and so all these
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1:46:45
papers of all this bullshit with um and and i'm working on right now is a certain guy and that
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1:46:51
nobody's heard his name before here i guarantee it he is responsible for some of the most dastardly
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1:46:55
things that killed hundreds and thousands of people in the last five years and i'm putting
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1:47:01
together the timeline he creates a paper anytime the government needs a paper and by doing so all
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1:47:01
1:47:07
these rules and edicts that came out that are used around the world not just the u.s the cdc is
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1:47:07
1:47:14
adopting it based on his findings right um killed a freaking ton of people why because none of this
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1:47:22
shit should be done uh using these methods and and these poor distribution functions and lastly
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1:47:29
i'll close by saying um the masking you know engineers develop the specification for the mask
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1:47:37
they design the mask they develop the manufacturing process for the mask they develop the uh the um
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1:47:44
quality testing um and then they develop the failure analysis uh stuff and the doctor
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1:47:49
might read the spec on the box before he puts it on his face and yet how many doctors around the
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1:47:49
1:47:55
world are commenting on masks and doing randomized controlled double blind placebo you know whatever
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1:48:01
trial bullshit we had 17 people in denmark who wore a mask and 34 didn't and they have no control
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1:48:07
over all the variables none it's a stupid method evidence-based medicine is a fucking crock of
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1:48:14
shit sorry everybody hope i didn't ruin your podcast here charles um the it so you see where
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1:48:18
i'm going with all this i think you're going to agree with me what do you think well i think
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1:48:23
mathematics there's a guy called rory suverland and he's written a book called alchemy and i'd
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1:48:30
highly recommend everyone read it and he said that when it comes to statistics he said the
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1:48:36
difference between a competent mathematician and an excellent one is that they're living in two
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1:48:44
different worlds so the average mathematician is going to make so many mistakes that so it's going
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1:48:51
to be horrendous so the one of the stories actually in that book was a guy that was designing
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1:48:59
the cockpit for pilots in the ref and he came up with an average size of all the dimensions of the
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1:49:05
pilots and he realized that actually no one was the average size so if he'd actually lose the
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1:49:11
average size he could only guarantee that it wouldn't be nice for anyone okay so that's where
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1:49:20
i would agree with you on those numbers but i'm not a competent statistician so in terms of
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mathematics so so this is where it gets really complicated that you know when you know what
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1:49:31
you're talking about to find a way to explain it to people in a way that they can get it
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1:49:38
that's the challenge and that's where metaphors become very important so does it give you a
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1:49:44
example i was on a panda call and i think i've come across you a few times john i'm sure i've
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1:49:50
heard you speak i'm well aware of the work you've done i was on a panda call
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1:49:57
and there was one of the i won't say she was but brilliant scientist presented for two hours
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1:50:03
incredible information and the next day i couldn't tell you a single thing that she said
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but mark jurido come on i mean at the time you know it's all going in it makes sense or whatever
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but i couldn't retain it mark jurido comes on and tells a metaphor and i can still tell you today
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what he said and what it meant so the information the way it moves between people is so important
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1:50:29
and people like yourself where you got that information it's literally the question is how
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1:50:35
do you get that in someone else's head because the truth movement you know that term loose
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1:50:42
doesn't have an information problem it has a communication problem
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1:50:50
and that's the thing we have to solve and and that's really really key and coming back to that guy
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1:50:59
that wrote the papers i call that deaf by protocol so when you look at the the the nurses 95
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1:51:05
of them would have given that drug yeah when everyone's been so conditioned to follow protocol
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1:51:12
and not their own intuition what they've done is they've basically there's a saying there's a very
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good quotation i think it comes from persia where it was like you you build the child for the road
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1:51:26
not the road for the child okay now what we what the world is doing is it's taking all the power
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1:51:31
away from the individual and it's making everything and what it is it's about us responding to our
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1:51:37
cues in society so when i drive to the traffic lights and it's red i automatically stop if i'm
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1:51:45
around about i give way to here now the one of the towns i think is in belgium they did away with
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1:51:49
all signage and all traffic lights and the injuries and the crashes went down significantly
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1:51:53
because everyone had to be conscious and aware of what they're doing
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1:51:58
we're living in a world where everyone's responding to their external cues and they're
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1:52:03
not thinking and people have been so educated that when someone releases a paper like that
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1:52:06
everyone's just relying that it's the truth
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1:52:13
they said so what you've got is that you've got effectively policies driving decision making
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1:52:21
and no one's really questioning or thinking about it because we're constantly told trust the experts
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1:52:25
the new york times is running articles which is critical thinking is dangerous
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i mean yeah so that's why i'd add today i i think that there's a lot of we agree on what david i mean
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1:52:40
we agree on basically yeah i think there's a lot of interesting conversations we could have around
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1:52:45
this and and certainly around the knowledge base i think that's a key piece to this but if we could
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1:52:53
build some systems some intranets and internets of the collective information translate that into
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1:52:58
metaphors and stories and get that out there then i think we could shift a lot more belief systems
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1:53:04
a lot quicker the book of proverbs proverbs still works today it's a guide for life i don't care
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1:53:10
what religion you are half of the proverbs proverbs in the book of proverbs are the same
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1:53:10
1:53:16
exact things in other religions and cultures that that collective wisdom is amazing and what
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1:53:16
1:53:22
we're doing now is we're killing people we're not we're not saving people no no what's what
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1:53:29
they're so key playdo said those that tell the stories rule society now if you think about you
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1:53:29
1:53:36
know 10 000 years ago right you'd have to learn that fire is dangerous that a tiger can kill you
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1:53:41
and all these things it's my opinion in all the study and look at the research we develop the
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1:53:47
ability to tell stories to transfer information without having to learn it the hard way so the
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1:53:51
brain when you look at lisa crone i think it is she wrote a book she's a neuroscientist she wrote
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1:53:59
a book wide for story story is the single most important thing to all of this now i just you
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1:53:59
1:54:03
just reminded me of something i had meant i had meant to put in the presentation but i didn't it's
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1:54:11
okay there's a concept called deep canvassing and it's literally how they can move someone's
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1:54:17
belief system in about 20 minutes on a topic but what they found was that when they took the story
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1:54:26
out it stopped working so story was the essential ingredient to change someone's mind so whenever
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we're imparting information unless we use a story or a metaphor we can pretty much guarantee it's
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1:54:35
only going to stay in the cerebral part of that person you should look at a couple articles i've
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1:54:43
written johnny and the crossing guard tommy and the berry bush the link put the link in the chat
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1:54:49
john just to know that and david to reinforce what you just said and again all of us i
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1:54:57
listened to a podcast a second time and just test this on yourself that you won't have any
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1:55:02
troubles remembering the story that was told by the presenter you will have no ability to
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1:55:08
remember the data yes and so we are hardwired for that and the second david after 31 years in
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1:55:13
fact more than that 40 years of presenting i'm constantly working and all of us should be
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i urge us to keep honing our stories and our messages because it to two for two reasons one
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1:55:27
because every person interprets it differently it's literally like me speaking hungarian to
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1:55:33
someone who can't understand it it just doesn't compute in their mental framework and each one of
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1:55:38
us can get better and better at explaining ideas and john from your perspective as the data you
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know i i did math science before i did law and most people don't don't understand what 10 of
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1:55:54
something is like it's quite remarkable i remember one time in college cnn used to have something
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1:56:00
called headline news and they would replay all the headlines every every half hour and they had this
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1:56:05
thing um where they would put on percentage something to try to get people oh my god look
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1:56:11
at that so i had a guy in my fraternity say it said like 63 percent of people do x he said oh
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1:56:19
my god i can't believe 63 percent i said that means 37 don't and he looked at me he was like
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oh that's even worse like yeah they just they just made you think one thing by putting a big number
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1:56:30
up you didn't take the compliment of it and this is back you know i'm like 19 years old and i was
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1:56:34
thinking like that because this goes back to the beginning how do people get to think like this
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1:56:42
if and i it's not it's not a rule but a lot of people who've been harmed by somebody whom they
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1:56:48
trust whether it's inadvertent or or on purpose um those are the people who are acutely aware
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1:56:53
without necessarily high intelligence but they're acutely aware of what humans can do to each other
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1:56:59
and they're they're very wary of things that happen like wear a mask or take a vaccine because
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1:57:05
their their uncle or their you know priest or you know what i'm talking about you know um it doesn't
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1:57:10
have to be that bad it could be just like your dad just doesn't show up after you're 10 years old he
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1:57:15
lives a mile away down the street you don't see him once a year at the grocery store um that's me
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1:57:21
by the way so when you're harmed in that way you lose trust in those uh for whom you should trust
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1:57:25
the most and so you just don't trust anybody for the rest of your life and you don't trust when
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1:57:33
president whatever says something or newscaster whatever i mean so yeah that's how i think um
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1:57:38
and i've talked to a lot of people who a lot of people not very bright at all but they figured it
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1:57:43
out right away why they were harmed somewhere back in their life by somebody they whom whom they
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1:57:48
should have trusted so sorry for talking so much no that's a really key point actually because
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1:57:55
because there was some somebody uh i can't remember who it was now but some expert in
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1:58:00
trauma who somehow believed in the jabs a turn around and said oh the people that are not taking
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1:58:05
it is because they're traumatized and blah blah blah and it was partly true you're correct like
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1:58:11
once you've been once you because here's the thing the way i see it if we're educated to think that
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1:58:15
the government gives a shit about us and then we suddenly realize that they couldn't care less
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1:58:20
whether we live to die that's traumatizing because you know it's the collective society
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1:58:26
but that realization is very key but the thing that you touched on there john that's really
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1:58:34
important is that a child will often self-orientate the meaning of something whereas adults tend to
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1:58:40
externally blame it okay so as adults everyone's blaming you know the the lefties are blaming trump
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1:58:40
1:58:44
and the right and all these things so basically they're blaming the external for their situation
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1:58:51
but as a child if the mother doesn't come home then the child will go well i can't be important
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1:58:57
i'm not worth it or whatever and this is one of the clients i had a client yesterday where this
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1:59:03
is where this lefkoe is so powerful she had two belief systems which she had got we managed to
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1:59:08
change him in an hour and one of them was i'm not worth it because her parents were raising five
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1:59:15
children so she didn't have the the the time the parents didn't have the time to look after her
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1:59:21
so she had believed i'm not worth it but we managed to create alternative realities and
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1:59:27
then she realized actually no they were just busy and of course what happens is that that belief
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1:59:32
system stored in the adaptive unconscious and when that changed the person's behavior will change
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1:59:39
okay so it really is i think you're absolutely spot on around once that model is broken because
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1:59:45
that's what it's about the model breaks trauma is one of the way it breaks but if someone's
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1:59:53
utmost belief system is truth and then they see lies that will break it and i also think that the
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1:59:57
a lot of the reason that people in the truth movement have religious belief
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2:00:04
is because they have a moral code okay they literally from a young age this moral code is
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2:00:09
installed and the things that they were doing in moral and then they they chose got over
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2:00:15
biden or whatever and that's why biden turned around and made that rather ludicrous comment
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2:00:20
is that jesus would have took the vaccine right he literally said that and of course you like so
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2:00:28
a man that can turn water into wine would need a vaccine like it doesn't make any sense but you see
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2:00:35
but yeah i think your point around that trauma is very um very true all right we're gonna we're gonna
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2:00:40
we've got it we're gonna move on um but that trauma john that you're talking about in fact
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2:00:46
steven reminds me of another presenter we're going to have here that i'll introduce you to it's now
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2:00:56
david suggested an experiment done on mice that trauma now can go back 14 generations
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2:01:07
yes all right so john your salem witch hunt ancestors it's impacting on you now um but
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2:01:12
david that's an interesting idea isn't it seven so it's seven generations now go back 14 generations
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2:01:18
so jim it's a wonderful explanation for why you and i might be considered pricks by some people
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2:01:25
will blame our ancestors okay john you can do the same thing jim over to you hey thanks very much
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2:01:31
great presentation um looking forward to how we can prevent the next one it looks like things are
1154
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2:01:42
being geared up for anything from bird flu to uh or avian flu to plague ebola marburg mers you name
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2:01:51
it or they can throw all of it at us um how do we number one if we know our enemy we know we can
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2:01:58
stop it is there any chance uh what are your thoughts about declassifying this project if
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2:02:05
this is a classified intelligence op we're supposed to get the jfk files released what does the what
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2:02:13
will the jfk files if it if it reveals exactly who did the uh the shot from the front of the
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2:02:22
head and why that was done and what it has to do with um uh who really orchestrated the rfk shooting
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2:02:33
and the mlk and and and other things um how do we uh how does that help us that's a very complex
1161
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2:02:39
question um there's so many elements to that a lot of it's going to be how the media frames it
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2:02:45
so john actually touched on something really important is that how you phrase the statistics
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2:02:49
or what's happened actually makes a really big difference on how people interpret the information
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2:02:57
that's really really key i think a big part of the problem is the passiveness that people
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2:03:05
now experience so what you've got is you've got people and charles made the rather excellent
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2:03:05
2:03:09
observation that most people actually don't know what they believe about the world and in fact they
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2:03:09
2:03:16
even know less about what they believe about themselves so a lot of people have been so
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2:03:22
conditioned to be in a passive state it's my belief that when people become aware of that and
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2:03:29
that's been done to them then they will see a road back to power that's my belief so i think
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2:03:35
a lot of the work has to be done internally but i certainly don't i don't think it would take long
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2:03:39
i've also i think that we theorized that we could do it for a series of movies
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2:03:49
and that's just in a theoretical stage at the moment um it really is i think a lot of people
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2:03:56
we've been so conditioned to look to leaders so if somehow a few leaders were able to get together
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2:04:04
and you know make certain statements about how we've all been misled etc etc that could have a
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2:04:12
very big effect um outside of that i i think it would be a lot of brainstorming gem i think
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2:04:17
there's a lot of things that i can you know i could if i i could get through to a single person
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2:04:23
i think relatively quickly and i have done um and then that single person will completely
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2:04:28
change their belief system but they won't necessarily become a freedom fighter
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2:04:33
in a sense a lot of the time they will go to lengths to protect themselves etc
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2:04:38
so i think what has to happen is i think a large group of people need to get together
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2:04:45
and make a plan and and look at the things that you know i think in a few months we're going to
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2:04:54
have it down relatively well about how to shift someone's belief system with external data
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2:05:00
you know via the stories etc so then that could be done but i don't think that's enough
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2:05:01
2:05:07
i think that a lot of the truth movement is under the illusion that when people know what's going on
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2:05:13
then everything's going to change i don't think that's true i could be wrong but i when you look
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2:05:22
at communism a lot of people knew before it collapsed and yeah i think there's a lot of
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2:05:29
other factors to it um i think it would be a very interesting process there's a term that i came
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2:05:35
across this week called imminent critique which i think was toby was it toby young to be one of the
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2:05:41
the guys who i monitor i get his sub stack and when i started researching it it's pretty profound
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2:05:47
it's it's a way it's imminent critique and it's a way that you and i don't know if you've come
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2:05:51
across this john but i think your mind would be very good at it it's it's a way to map out a
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2:05:57
system's contradictions so you don't need any external data so the system will literally
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2:06:05
collapse its own contradictions um and it looks a very very good method because when you play it
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2:06:12
back to the person you're not giving them criticism you're just showing them the flaws in the system
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2:06:19
um so that's that's one thing that i think would be very useful well i think that's what we kind of
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2:06:25
all did we figured out what the flaws in the system were and especially if you know any biochemistry
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2:06:32
you rapidly figure out that yeah well most physicians who understand biochemistry would
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2:06:40
rapidly figure out that anti-parasitics are antivirals in many cases and that's why
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2:06:48
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were very useful yeah and and and so then you once you figure out
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2:06:56
that that's a real flaw in their their system you know that you know who's lying by the biochemistry
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2:07:01
well you see what to add to that because that's a really good point but when
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2:07:08
when somebody might suspect that their partner's cheating on them they don't want to believe that's
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2:07:16
true so the ability for people to put their head in the sand and do other things there's there's a
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2:07:22
lot of i don't know i could explain this in a short term because there's basically that adaptive
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2:07:29
unconscious that has a series of processes that are running that literally distorts someone's
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2:07:37
perception so if somebody has a real deep need for survival it will literally distort their
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2:07:42
perception and the amount of studies they've done in it that they can really predict what's going
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2:07:49
to happen when you put enough pressures on the system so you've seen the line length studies
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2:07:55
with trying to think of the gentleman that ran those now basically it was a compliance study
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2:08:02
have you heard about those jim so i didn't miss the words there was a line length study and i'm
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2:08:07
trying to think i've quote with this study so many times but they're late at night the man's name is
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2:08:15
but the original studies were done by omar shereef and what it was that they were testing how many
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2:08:22
people would answer incorrectly just because the group had answered incorrectly okay so if
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2:08:27
you put five actors in a room john do you remember that yeah i don't remember the name i know exactly
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2:08:33
one if you can watch the video of it it's pretty i recall what you're saying people in a room
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2:08:39
and complying with the lie with the false statements and lines lines on a piece of paper
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2:08:46
yes yeah yeah so basically what what you need to do ash that's it thank you lisa jane so basically
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2:08:52
solomon ash now solomon ash actually ran those studies because he didn't believe it to be true
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which was really incredible so it was by accident that he stumbled across that because shereef had
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2:09:07
run a study showing that when people don't know the answer they converge on other people's answers
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2:09:11
so they were literally converging on an answer which wasn't true because someone had been placed
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to pretend it was that number so ash had theorized that the reason that people were doing that is
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because they didn't know the answer so he set up a study where the answer was so obvious and then
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2:09:29
he got five people to lie as actors to see if the sixth person would comply and what he found was
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that most of the time they did they answered incorrectly just not to be kicked out the tribe
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2:09:40
so when john was talking about the different reasons that people would do it and get the
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2:09:46
numbers up we've mapped out all the the the unconscious drives for this and it's effectively
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2:09:57
approval control survival protection to be part of groups to reproduce all these things these are
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2:10:03
the unconscious drives and what it is if you tap into enough of those the person will just comply
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2:10:09
in a sense so that's what we we need to understand that unless we tap into those drives people
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2:10:17
won't won't literally take control of themselves and i'm feeling and and um we there are many
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2:10:22
physicians in this group i'm feeling that there is there may be a way out and i wanted to ask
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2:10:32
your opinion about a uh are you familiar with a broad spectrum anti-viral medication that
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2:10:41
stops the the replication of that's fda approved and stops the replication of norovirus rotavirus
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2:10:51
flu virus even ebola virus and is and is safer than placebo it's called it's called nitroxin and i've
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2:10:58
been talking to the group about it quite a bit because it's quite it's quite fantastic how many
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2:11:03
of the physicians that i've spoken with don't know about it and i'll put it in the chart
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2:11:12
and the thing right now and um and it's it's quite fantastic because um we know we talk about and
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2:11:21
this is the ultimate anti-parasitic as well um and it looks like it's kind of being if the intelligence
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2:11:27
communities and that's who i believe is behind all this stuff including the manipulation the uh
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2:11:35
of the media and all that and and that's the glue that holds the finance the the intelligence finance
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2:11:40
guys as well and when they and the little hint is we don't know who did it means the intelligence
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2:11:46
guys did it uh we don't know who invented the sars-cov-2 spike protein well they did we don't
1244
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2:11:51
know who invented bitcoin well they did we don't know who uh blew up the nord stream 2 pipeline
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2:11:59
well they did and we don't know the uh cocaine in the white house well i mean uh if i had cocaine
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in my house i'd be arrested and uh if they can't figure it out then uh that means they did it so
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our intelligence community really should be held to the carpet here but they also are preventing
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the uh treatments from being used and this nitroxinite is really quite quite amazing
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because yeah yeah well you see there's a there's a number of biases so we we we're just finishing
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an article that is if that was true it'd be on the news so which i'm sure you've all heard a
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number of times from people the the availability bias is huge the people and and this sentence
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really comes from behavioural science is that thinking to humans is like swimming to cats
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they can do it but they'd rather not so basically people take this heuristic that
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if it's on the news then it's valid okay so if they haven't heard it on the news then it's not
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valid and so this is such a weird thing that the availability bias most people only reach for the
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available information that's there so if it's not there to them it doesn't exist so that's why
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censorship was such a big problem and that's why the ivomet and everything else that because it
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wasn't in their direct focus or availability they didn't look for it okay now anyone with critical
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thinking then starts to you know look and starts to look around and ask questions all those things
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but that's why no one i mean i hadn't heard of that thing but unless it's on the media
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which is pretty much the the corporate media is the main way that people get their information
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that for me is the single biggest thing that we can break okay is the people's rely on corporate
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media so one of the guys that i managed to wake up he was a member of mensa which i'm sure you
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guys know it's like you know you have a super high high q to be there he had enrolled to be
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a guinea pig in the jab program okay that's how gone this guy was did he do his membership
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maybe uh he then he was arguing with me all the time and he says i'm informed i watch the news
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all day well you're misinformed then so i went home and i thought about it and then i i got
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together a few true stories on how the media lies and withholds information and all i did was
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told in them stories the next time i saw him and then a good few months later i get an email from
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him where he says david i owe you an apology he said i thought you were a crank but i was completely
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wrong and i've 180'd on all my views and i don't know how much that story had an effect but it was
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designed to have an effect but that's why i think shara atkinson's book slanted is really
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important and someone did mention something about her that if you can undermine people's
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trust in the corporate media and they no longer trust them then that's in my opinion a big part
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the job done they're no longer being continually misinformed they're probably going to turn it off
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and then all the new conditioning is going to stop working or certainly from the media because a lot
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of it's written into the tv shows all right let's move on can i ask one more question about the
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smith munt modernization act in the united states are you familiar with the smith munt modernization
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act it allows propaganda on the united states citizens and it was sent in by obama in 2013
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but trump hasn't revoked it yet well no because well basically propaganda is such a powerful tool
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now so there's we did a whole paper on this recently on psychological operations psychological
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warfare there's three types of propaganda you've got white gray and black and the black one is when
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they lie and that's the most insidious and problematic so when they've got people dropping
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dead in the street that really affects people but yeah the obama in 2008 did change the law
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to allow psychological operations on the public and i spoke to one of the a guy that was in the
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army and that was his job to do that yeah and he he basically spoke a lot about that stuff so he
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couldn't he literally couldn't tell any details but what he had to do was talk about that act
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because it was all released all right so trump's not going to do everything at once and i'm happy
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if that's 51 good now let's move on jim by the way i think this whole issue of getting us to
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argue about stuff we can't see including spike protein including viruses is a psyop so jim all
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the stuff that you've written all of the the whole game plan it's wonderful because all of
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the experts can absolutely obfuscate and we make no progress and we're having a shit fight amongst
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each other instead of dealing with the real issues and i remind you of what judy mikovic said to this
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group and david i just you know you can quote her on this don't jab anything into your bodies
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don't don't you don't need to prove whether spike protein or this or that
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unless of course it's an intravenous vitamin c which is a great thing to do which i've done
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numerous times so steven we got uh 10 we're finishing in a few minutes david um david i'm
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going to quote monty python here and and i'm going to say you're a very naughty boy
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i'm going to say you're a very naughty boy because you clearly have not been drinking
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enough water because you've been able to sit here for two hours and 20 minutes without going to the
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toilet and so there you are i again admonish you for not drinking enough water we're finishing
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in 10 minutes steven's going to ask the last couple of questions it's wonderful to have you
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i've taken a note there of matt hoye steven this was a suggestion made that chase hughes we come
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here on beliefs you know i think beliefs is such a wonderful process david the other thing i want
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to mention talking about your note on the mainstream media bobby kennedy told us
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steven you will recall this back in 2021 december 2021 it takes five five contrary bits of
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information sorry five contrary statements to a belief from five different sources and it was
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really struck struck me that idea that if i speak to steven on a new idea and it's the first time
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he's heard it no bullshit the fifth time he hears that idea from a fifth source says bobby kennedy
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you know that can be so we never know what role we're playing as i've often said in my speeches
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people come to me say i changed their lives no i didn't you heard that idea and that just you'd
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heard it four times previously what do you think of that proposition of the same message five
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different places then enables us to shift that perspective repetition is really key but emotion
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trumps repetition hmm yeah no we're on board on board with that but it's very yeah okay because
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what happens is it's all to do with the way that the connect and nuance happens so basically
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when you're thinking a thought for the first time or really entertaining the thought for the first
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time it's a bit like walking through a field so you imagine you've got two foot of grass the more
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you walk that path you lay the grass down it becomes easier once that thought has happened a
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number of times then there's a thing called ltp which is long-term potentiation which it receives
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2:20:02
no resistance so you're not pushing through the grass anymore that makes sense so that's why you
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know the third yke and everything else they knew that repetition was really really key
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you keep repeating you keep repeating the keep repeating the person has that thought and then
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it suddenly feels familiar and true okay but add in emotion and that path gets walked much quicker
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so yeah the repetition is real and jason talks about jason bristoff talks about that a lot but
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it really is it's about making the pitches in your mind and the more you do something the easier it
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gets and that's why these people i mean you know i'm talking to someone that's literally brain
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2:20:40
dead at the moment on facebook and and the nonsense he's coming out with but because it's been so
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repeated into his mind he's absolutely convinced it's true you know so yeah but yeah repetition but
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this is this could play into our hands really importantly orchestration is one of the five
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rules of propaganda if everyone that knows what's going on could literally and we we literally wrote
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a plan on this where if you could get a group of people group of experts with the data and you come
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up with just one or two really key important facts you stick it in a story then you have a
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distribution unit and you can get that to millions of people at the same time and everyone's sharing
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that same piece of information at the same time in the same day someone's going to get exposed to
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it multiple times and then it will hit them that makes sense so you could really hit that five
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times the problem is at the moment it's so fragmented and there's so many thousands of
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pieces of different information that it's not hammering that five times correct yes that's
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right it's a it's a fire hose of it's a fire hose of of information all right steven last
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questions to you we're finishing five or six minutes yep so david um are you a psychologist
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i can't remember uh no i basically studied a number of other subjects so i described
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myself as a behavior and communication expert and there was someone on the call earlier but
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has gone now i wanted to ask him so ray fenandes i seem to remember that he presented to us and
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he was an expert on mk ultra and so it would so i have noticed he he hasn't been on for quite a
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while now he came on tonight i think because in the invitation i mentioned mind control so um but
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i don't know can you remember that charles whether ray fenandes raised raised raised from sydney by
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the way the um those two astronauts splashed down safely i just saw about six seven minutes ago
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what in the studio so ray fenandes he's a sydney guy i thought was a radiologist steven
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and certainly interested in all sorts of interesting things he's not the mk ultra guy i was
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i was no i think i think so good job i didn't ask them um and uh so uh david i just wanted to ask
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you uh so you're interested in psychology and you know a lot about um uh mind control and the
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conditioning what was the worst thing in your opinion about 2021 i think that was when we first
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met and um you you kind of presented to us in 2021 from memory but it certainly seems a long
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time ago but um what was in your opinion what was the most uh the worst thing they did the the people
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what was the name of that the nudge unit in the uk was the behavioural insights team
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the kids they basically so i interviewed uh gary sidley dr gary sidley he had a paper published
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on they basically did lots of freedom of information requests to the sage and the
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nudge units and all those things and the it's a it's a sickening read they were basically saying
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the children and the young are not scared enough so we need to really scare them
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that for me is the most sickening thing is that they they're basically screwing up that they see
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they don't really realize you traumatize people in that way you're going to change the course of
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their life forever absolutely and and they how many people lost the key years of their life where
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were they right where was this being said in emails or what uh yeah they i've got the um let
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me find the paper um because gary did a really in fact i could gary did a really
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important piece of work on it and it got published um
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so yeah so there were some really horrible um pieces of information that were in that
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so i'm going to pop that into the chat so is anyone um recording all this somewhere david i
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mean is it just kind of do people find this and then it gets lost in the future or is it being
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kept by someone well that's a good question i think there i think that you know as we've
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matured um we need to start building this you know we need to have most organizations to uh
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to record all this well arguably that's our primary duty to record history yeah so then
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and there is a chance that i think what behavioral science has done
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that i think what behavioral science has done is it's it's revealed the shadow and a lot of
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its functions that people like young and foyd theorized about and it's been proven in study
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after study and i think that information could actually be for the first time that
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humans could learn from history
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if that happens then we can stop repeating the same mistakes over and over again
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so david um i don't know can you explain so when people are so when people are going through
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trauma they might not realize they're being traumatized is that correct so they kind of
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there's a survival instinct and yeah well that's the adaptive unconscious we adapt to situations
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very quickly so if you if you adapt to a constantly stressful environment you will
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adapt to survive in that so when human beings observe the world that doesn't make sense like
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the world of 2020 you know um and you're actually living in 2020 then your duty to yourself is to
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kind of normalize things as as far as possible so you may not be very happy but you might not
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realize how badly you're being traumatized is that correct survival first i'm sorry it's always
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survival first so maybe later you do realize and then you think whoa that was a bit scary
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a bit more scary than i thought at the time and um so i'm seeing people around me who are
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i i didn't realize what was wrong with them but i think they're damaged you know and um but i think
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we're all damaged to some extent yeah well you see they've been traumatizing people for decades i
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mean watching bambi is traumatizing okay people don't realize the the little things that can
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2:27:51
traumatize people sure so so so we're all going through little traumas all the time in in normal
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2:27:57
circumstances is that right yeah but there's also a lot of good solutions now that i've been using
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2:28:02
a lot of these techniques the last year i have to say i've found more peace than i've ever had
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2:28:09
okay in the most disastrous world that i've lived in see the outer world is obviously going to have
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2:28:15
effect on our inner world but we can find peace and that was you know somebody put about frankl's
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2:28:22
book in there there is a way to basically you know just find a certain level of peace and i think
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that has to happen i think there was one quote that said the problem with humanity is that people
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can't sit in a room quiet yeah so they don't have that level of peace where they're not causing
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2:28:39
problems and you know when you look at modern day society people are going out and spending
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money to buy things they don't want to impress people they don't like exactly that's a result
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2:28:54
of our conditioning yeah so so what what's the what's the most important thing for us to do then
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in your opinion as well you're not a psychologist but you are certainly interested in psychology
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2:29:06
well i think understand how we function exactly i've said that i've articulated that and i'm not
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2:29:14
it's about having a manual for yourself show if now something works then it's very hard to deal
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2:29:18
with it when you then understand how it works then you can fix a lot of any of the the things that
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2:29:25
aren't working as you want them to work so david it seems to me that people say we need to kind of
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2:29:31
work out what's going on but it seems to me that we need to understand first of all how human
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2:29:37
beings function and until we do that we can't really make sense of what's happened yes and
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i think it goes even further than that i think that we've been educated
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2:29:50
we've been misinformed how we operate sure and i think you know there's a lot of compelling
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2:29:56
evidence that has been done on purpose but even if it's done accidental if we're working if you
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2:30:03
have a faulty map you're never going to get where you need to get yeah that's the key so the big
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2:30:10
part of what we're doing is to to basically give a map of what's going on when you understand that
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2:30:15
then literally just as a simple example you know what question is going to get a good response and
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2:30:22
what question is going to get a bad response you start but if you don't know what effect any
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2:30:28
question will have you can't you know you you can't criticize yourself because you you didn't know so
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2:30:36
to a lot of this is is that manual yeah so um about three years ago we met for the first time
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and i think we agreed then that the most important thing we could do in the future was to make sense
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2:30:50
of it all and we had been propagandized subjected to propaganda all of us and so we needed to
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destroy the false narrative which had been created with counter propaganda and so my question is
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how much nearer are we three years later or more than three years later actually to getting the
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propaganda which is the counter propaganda which is necessary um much much closer okay i'm now
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in a position where theoretically where i think we can now make documentaries are much better
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2:31:28
to shift people's views um so i've got a couple of filmmakers i'm talking to etc i think there's a
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series of things that we can do so we're theorizing you know a knowledge base would be very useful
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2:31:40
to know how to um to present the information in a film or short story or whatever for it to be
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2:31:45
effective so it's really to take the good information everyone on this call no doubt they have some very
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2:31:51
valuable information and it's literally the ability how to get that information in someone's head
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2:32:00
and we're really close to being able to explain that in a fine detail yeah so to me it's very
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2:32:07
surprising that more people didn't realize that actually uh creating our own propaganda was
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2:32:12
important to counter the propaganda to which we've been subjected and which has done so much damage
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2:32:19
and um and also as you say i think we need to understand human beings and how they function
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2:32:26
how they work and all right they're big questions come on we're going let david go david thank you
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so much for for speaking to us and especially that's such short notice like a couple of hours
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before wasn't it yeah um yeah it's a pleasure to see you all again um you know great work david
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fantastic to have you
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yes brilliant and steven well done for organizing thanks everybody and go to tom rodman
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video meeting for those of you who have the time david we'll see you next time there will be a next
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time lots to talk about because we're going to solve all these problems ha ha absolutely
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2:33:10
all right thanks steven thanks everyone bye thanks thank you thank you david