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intro and you'll speak for some 15 minutes and we'll have 45 minutes for a conversation
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So everybody welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and this meeting,
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these meetings and this group was started by Stephen Frost in 2021, a British trained
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medical doctor who's based in Wales to champion truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health
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in the face of global challenges.
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At this time we remember Reiner Formick and Arno van Kessel, two lawyers who fight for
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freedom and truth.
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Reiner is corruptly jailed by the German government and Arno van Kessel is being corruptly attacked
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by the Dutch government.
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We ask you to share the news about these courageous men.
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I'm Charles Covers, your moderator in Australia.
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I was a lawyer for 20 years.
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I've been a professional speaker for 33 years amongst the crucial work I do as Chief Executive
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of an industrial hemp company.
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Industrial hemp is going to play a crucial role in the future of humanity.
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Take a deep interest in industrial hemp everybody.
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Our group is a wide blend of voices from all around the world.
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A key strategy of our group in our fight is exposing medical crimes, rallying behind
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the core crafted for us by John Rappaport of Medical Truth Now.
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And Abigail Forman, our guest today, is certainly talking about matters medical and the false
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words that are being told.
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So it's a very apocyt, it's a very apocyt principle here, Abigail.
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There are many medical truths that need to be properly exposed.
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I haven't got time.
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I'm not going to give you the truncated introduction today because of Abigail's limited time.
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But one truth now is that it is a blatant misrepresentation for anybody to claim that
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you must take a jab to protect another person.
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That is such a fraud.
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When anybody says it to you, you laugh in their face and ask them, how do you mean?
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We're in the thick of a global struggle we call it World War Three with medical and scientific
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battles among 12 battle fronts.
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The spiritual battle front is another, the legal battle front is another.
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We're over six years into this fight with more to come.
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There's no room for weariness.
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Stay strong, stay healthy.
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We'll hear from Abigail Forman, our guest presenter, followed by Q&A and, per tradition,
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Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes.
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As I say, we only have Abigail for the first hour.
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This is a free speech haven.
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Free speech is our weapon to safeguard human liberties.
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If something offends you, own it.
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We lovingly sidestep the outraged culture and its demands to silence truth.
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However, we choose love over fear.
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Fear binds and sickens, love liberates, heals, inspires.
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These twice weekly gatherings are far from mere talk.
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They have birthed real world actions and alliances, too many to mention.
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So we're thrilled to welcome Abigail, our guest today.
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A huge thanks to Stephen Frost for founding this group and organizing Abigail to speak
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And let me read to you a short bio of Abigail that's got a slight variation to the written,
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to the bio in the invitation.
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So Abigail is a public policy analyst.
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She served in the Minnesota House of Representatives for two terms from 2014 and 2018, where she
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authored many pieces of pro-family legislation.
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During this time, she also co-founded the Minnesota Legislative Chapter of the Congressional
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Prayer Caucus Foundation.
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Abigail also worked for four years overseas as the Director of Public Affairs for Right
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to Life UK, where she was responsible for writing to and engaging members of parliament.
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Most recently, Abigail is primary author of a comprehensive academic white paper exposing
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the horror of the 700,000 aborted babies from chemical abortions that are being flushed
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into home toilets and placed into our water system.
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Abigail holds a magna cum laude bachelor's degree in political science and history as
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a master of public policy from the University of Minnesota.
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Abigail and her husband have four children and currently reside in North Carolina.
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Abigail, over to you.
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We are in your hands.
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Well, thank you again so much for having me.
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And I really look forward to a robust conversation on this topic.
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Just to begin, it is a challenging topic in many ways.
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It's really not fun to think about.
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This group I am aware is familiar with topics that are not fun to think about.
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The government has not done its job in many ways, and that's true across the globe.
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While the presentation I usually give is prepared and tailored for American audiences, I've
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tweaked a few things, but they're still probably a US bent.
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But stick with me because it really does have global application.
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Because chemical abortions are the most common form of abortion worldwide and most wastewater
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treatment systems aren't developed and are not meant to handle the contamination from
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chemical abortions.
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So I'll just dive in.
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I'm going to share my screen here and then show you a few slides.
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But don't feel you have to catch everything.
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I'll be sure to answer questions and we can get more into it as we go.
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Let me see.
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I need to do this one.
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Let me know when if slash when you can see my screening, it's getting it's getting close.
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It's getting close.
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That's how it works, as you know, takes the time for computers to wake up.
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It says it sharing on my end, but just yeah, let's just let me know when you can see.
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Yes, it's started.
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She screened.
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There we go.
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It's now showing abortion in our water.
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OK, very good.
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So I as I say, this is a presentation I've given several times.
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I'm going to try and make sure I incorporate the international part of things.
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But just to start, because obviously he is an international figure these days.
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President Trump himself wants crystal clean water.
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He said this in several major speeches.
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It's one of his platform tenants from day one.
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We want crystal clean water, which is great.
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If President Trump wants it, you know, maybe we should tailor what our policy messages
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to that, because he's also unfortunately taken a sort of middle ground stance on chemical
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abortion itself.
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Well, chemical abortion contaminates our water, and it does this in two main ways.
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First, chemical contamination from myth of Christian itself.
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The first stone is the first of a two pill protocol in chemical abortions forms active
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metabolites that retain the ability of the parent drug, the crystal itself to block
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progesterone.
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So a woman takes the pills, they exit her body when she's on the toilet through her urine,
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her feces and the blood and tissue from the baby.
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And those metabolites, these microscopic elements of the drug retain the ability to block
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progesterone.
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Well, wastewater treatment plants and drinking water treatment plants are not fully equipped
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to remove this sort of contamination.
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And so it's very likely we are drinking trace elements of this.
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The other form of contamination comes from the aborted fetal tissue itself.
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As I said, this is not fun to think about, but annually, this is the U.S.
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Now, about 700,000 women are flushing their aborted babies with all of the placenta, et
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cetera, down the toilet.
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Wastewater treatment systems weren't meant to dispose of medical waste.
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We have medical waste facilities for that purpose and really strict laws and regulations
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around what to do with medical waste.
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to give a little bit more background understanding, you would think it fully cleans our water.
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There are many processes and systems to go through.
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I'm not going to detail everything here.
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I just show this to show, you know, everyone for the most part is going to think, oh, my
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water, of course, my water is clean.
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I'm drinking clean water.
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You know, I live in a major world country, you know, Japan, UK, Sweden, United States.
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Of course, my water is clean.
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I just Google, are there pharmaceuticals in my tap water?
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It's globally, pharmaceuticals in water are an issue.
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And I'm going to explain why we should be doubly concerned about Mifichristone itself
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in our water.
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Now, again, I show this just to summarize what I just said.
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So mother takes the pills.
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She delivers the remains, flushes them down the toilet.
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Water treatment plants, both drinking and wastewater treatment plants, the traditional
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ones, the conventional ones are not designed to fully remove pharmaceutical contaminants.
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And so the question we're asking is, are these drugs polluting our water?
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We know it's very likely.
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I know that another organization has done research on this, Students for Life, and they
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have done a peer reviewed paper that's going to be coming out this summer that has found
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this these chemical metabolites in our drinking water.
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So we see this is not an uncommon issue.
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This, you know, aborted babies themselves, fetuses are very regularly found in wastewater
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treatment plants.
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And as a side issue, it traumatizes the wastewater treatment plant workers who find them because
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it's obviously quite grisly because babies don't break down like feces and toilet paper.
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They're not meant to be flushed.
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Well, the FDA and this is my sort of a U.S. focus here, but I would encourage anybody
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from another country listening, look at your nation's environmental issues.
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I'm not saying that you should look at your nation's environmental laws because it's very
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likely there is some right law or regulation against flushing this sort of medical wave.
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Well, the Clean Water Act outlines that each agency engaged in an activity that may result
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in the discharge or runoff of pollutants.
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So in the U.S., it doesn't have to.
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It just might.
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You need to be sure you're complying with all relevant state, local, federal laws.
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But the FDA under the Clinton administration, when they were legalizing this drug, failed
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to look at any local laws.
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They just estimated that the concentration of the drug in our water would be minimal
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at less than one part per billion.
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They said, therefore, we don't need to do any further study or analysis, which was ridiculous
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on many levels.
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But in addition, in the U.S., we have the National Environmental Policy Act.
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It says every major federal action is significantly affecting the quality of the human environment.
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Now, here's where environmental law really actually helps us out.
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Now, environmental law, whether you're a fan of it or not, it exists to protect our
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environment.
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And in the United States, you have a lot of controversy surrounding certain environmental
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And I'm you know, I probably don't need to get into the detail of what that looks like.
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But there are regulations that say it includes human relationship with the environment.
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Well, my relationship with the environment is sorely damaged by the reality that aborted
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babies are likely in my water.
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That in and of itself reasoned enough for them to do a deeper analysis on this.
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And they didn't.
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So again, in the U.S., they violated environmental law.
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We've been trying to point this out to agencies within the Trump administration, the FDA,
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the EPA, talking to White House domestic policy council staff about this to try to highlight,
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hey, can we go back and revisit this issue?
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Subsequent major actions, again, this is U.S. required a new EA, an environmental assessment.
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So in 2011, Obama's FDA stripped all the safety or implemented the safety protocols, then
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they stripped them back in 2016.
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So most places where chemical abortion is legal, it may have started out lower.
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So we started in the U.S. at seven weeks gestation.
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Well, now it's permitted up to 10 weeks.
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And actually, and I'll give away kind of a preview here, women can get this pill at any
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gestation, because most places don't take the time to actually verify how far along
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they are, which is in addition to an environmental hazard, a danger to the woman herself.
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We also see that the in-person visits went from three down to one.
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And then in 2019, through the engineering version, 2021, this is where COVID comes into play.
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We probably have a similar, I'm guessing, I know the UK does for certain, policy to the United
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States where now it is legal to just simply mail the pills.
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You do not, women do not need to go to the doctor to get these pills, which is another major
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issue in addition to the environmental issues.
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The last couple of ones, again, we make the mail order permanent in 2023 and then we got
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another generic version of the pill.
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COVID aftermath.
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Big abortion has moved to a mail order model.
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This is profit making for them.
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Obviously, they can close clinics.
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They don't need to have their doctors examine women.
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They don't need to worry about the actual gestation.
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A woman or an abuser, you know, a human trafficker, a boyfriend that didn't want her to
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girlfriend, the girlfriend pregnant can call up, can go online and get these pills and
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they are shipped in the US.
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It's actually illegal, but nobody's enforcing it.
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This is something that I would argue is one of the biggest travesties of COVID.
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This move to chemical abortion.
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And this is again happening globally.
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The risks posed by these abortion pills.
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I'm just going to drill down into this a little bit more.
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And I apologize, I'm speaking fast because I want to make sure we have time for discussion.
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But again, the pill forms act of metabolites in the body.
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They act as endocrine disruptors.
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Endocrine disruptors, you probably, a lot of you, I would imagine, are familiar with these.
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They just disrupt the way your hormones work.
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And they are a growing concern globally.
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The research on the effect of the specific endocrine disrupting abortion pill metabolites is very scarce.
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But evidence today shows we know this from other endocrine disruptors.
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They can be harmful and detrimental to human health.
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And just think of forever chemicals, PFAS.
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The United States has actually taken to regulating at least two of these in parts per trillion.
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Now recall when I said the FDA said, oh no, no, no, we don't have to study this drug any further
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because the concentration in the water is going to be less than one part per billion.
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But now we know that even in parts per trillion endocrine disrupting chemicals can be detrimental over time.
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So what's happening if you're drinking trace amounts of something over decades?
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What's that doing to our health?
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What's that doing to us?
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Like I said, they're a growing concern.
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The Environmental Protection Agency has said they can cause adverse effects,
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which include, I'm just going to highlight one here, you see it bolded, the interference with reproduction.
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And this is a concern because we see a correlation between the increase in chemical abortion and a decrease in fertility.
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This is what's happening in the United States right now.
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Now I am not saying correlation equals causation.
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I know that.
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But what I am saying is we need to determine whether there is causation here
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because that is pretty striking correlation.
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We see this globally as well.
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Infertility affects one in six individuals.
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That's WHO data that we trust the WHO.
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But endometriosis, I'm just using this as an example,
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is present in up to 63% of unexplained infertility in women.
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It's very common.
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Probably some of you know someone with endometriosis.
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They may not have told you they have it, but I know women with it.
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It's very common.
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Well, it can be treated in some cases with synthetic progesterone.
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Are we drinking trace amounts of something that's blocking progesterone?
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Why are so many more women needing this?
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You see this as well with in vitro fertilization.
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With any sort of assisted reproductive technology, when women are trying to get pregnant,
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very often they need to take progesterone to get and stay pregnant.
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Why is that?
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Why are we needing to dose ourselves so much with progesterone?
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Again, I'm not saying causation, but I think it is worthy of asking the question,
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are we drinking trace amounts of something that is designed to block progesterone?
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And so we're saying to the United States at least,
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ask can we prove it's not playing a part?
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And I understand fertility rates are multifactorial, absolutely.
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But again, there's a strong enough correlation here that it is worthy of investigation.
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Examples of the chemical abortion rate globally.
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So here I'm just going to, I just took a sampling.
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I just tried to think of some countries that might be of interest for some folks on the call.
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So I, and I worked in the UK, so I started there.
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Chemical abortion was legalized in 1991, very small percent of abortions.
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Well, now it's the vast majority.
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87% of all abortions are chemical abortions, and that's over 100,000.
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Canada, same thing.
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Sweden and Norway, the Nordic countries, they have almost 100% now.
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The vast, vast majority of their abortions are chemical abortions.
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And interestingly enough, Sweden is one of the few countries, Sweden, China.
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I think there might be one more where they have actually tested their wastewater effluents
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and hospital wastewater and did find Mifucrystone in their wastewater.
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Again, the only study I know of that has tested it in drinking water is in the United States.
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So that's again, part of the issue is we need to find out what the effects are.
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The issue is we need to do more research here.
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Related to the waste issue, we have abortion providers essentially using
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wastewater treatment facilities as their medical waste facilities.
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And this is going to be true globally, as women are essentially expelling
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of their abortive babies down the toilet generators.
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In every other instance, the generator of the medical waste is meant to deal with it.
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So, you know, if a doctor performs surgery and has to amputate, you know, your finger,
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they don't give you as the patient your finger back and say, here, you deal with it.
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No, the generator is meant to be the one that disposes of the medical waste properly.
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Well, in chemical abortions, again, they just tell women to sit on the toilet.
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The result is in the U.S.
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It's about 30 to 60 tons of chemically tainted pathological waste being flushed,
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developing bones, cranial structures, ganglion.
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Again, babies and the related medical waste, they don't break down like other toilet waste does.
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also very common globally, which is sewer system overflows.
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In the United States, these are a major concern.
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You know, if you have raw sewage flowing into your streets, that's a public health concern.
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The EPA estimates 23,000 to 75,000 annually, and that equates to approximately 450 billion gallons
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based on the most recent data of raw sewage.
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Now, this raw sewage could be carrying the abortive babies down the toilet.
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This raw sewage could be carrying the abortive babies in,
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and this is all annually released into our lake streams and rivers without treatment.
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Again, just a couple examples, Potomac, major one last January, this 2026,
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over 200 million gallons, massive ecological disaster.
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Sewer overflows in D.C. streets the year before that.
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Again, these are very common.
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And in Europe and the UK, combined sewer overflows were in excess of 650,000.
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The data that I was able to find.
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And then in the UK, they are the cause of, they're seeing chronic under capacity
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of English wastewater systems.
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And again, I would guess most nations, if you do the research, you know,
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it's going to be a similar story.
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Sewer system overflows are actually very common.
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But you have, you know, the sewage from your toilet goes down into the pipes.
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In most cases, it should go direct to the wastewater treatment plant.
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That's where we want it to go.
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Well, sometimes, particularly in combined sewage,
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this can happen even in a regular sewer, there's an overflow,
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and that just gets discharged into your local lakes to remove the river.
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You know, obviously disturbing on many levels.
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And this I want to highlight to show just some hypocrisy in public policy.
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So public policy, you know, obviously my background, what I went to school for.
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So there's public policy from the Environmental Protection Agency
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to only flush toilet paper.
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This is actually something they said in the COVID era
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because if you're, you know, they wanted to keep people home, as you know,
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they didn't want people to go out and they don't want plumbers
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to have to go unclog people's toilets, et cetera.
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So they're really pushing this only flush toilet paper.
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Like we need to keep our workers safe.
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Don't flush your goldfish.
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Don't flush your baby wipes.
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Only toilet paper.
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Congress passed a bill, I kid you not, in 2026, just recently
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to put do not flush labeling on baby wipes.
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Because baby wipes can clog toilets.
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They can contribute to sewer system overflows.
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It was all wipes.
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It was baby wipes, antibacterial wipes, any kind of wipes.
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The FDA, the Food and Drug Administration in the US,
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has said, well, feel free to flush your babies.
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Personally, I find this hypocritical at an astronomical scale.
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And then now consider if this were any other industry or any other context.
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Well, any other industry, I just said, there is scandal.
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Any other industry, the baby wipes industry, the antibacterial wipe industry,
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there are calls to put do not flush labeling on it.
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What about another context?
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Well, I don't know how many of you on this call are going to be familiar with this.
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And it is grisly, and I apologize, but I think it's important for us to know
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Kermit Grosnail, who's one of the most horrific abortion doctors of all time.
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The scandal in the United States about Kermit Grosnail's clinic was through the roof.
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He actually recently passed away.
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God rest his soul and have mercy on him.
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But he went to prison because he would kill babies alive, et cetera.
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But in his clinic, which was called the House of Horrors,
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that was the nickname for it, the House of Horrors,
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one of those horrors was that they would find baby body parts in the toilet.
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They would be flushing them into the plumbing.
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That was horrific.
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That was a scandal.
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It absolutely was a scandal.
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Well, now the FDA says, no worries, we can have that in our plumbing.
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And they basically turned a blind eye to something that about a year ago
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was actually quite horrific to think about.
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This is, again, something we need to be drawing attention to.
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So what do we want to see happen?
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One of the things is to initiate gold standard research.
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The Make America Healthy Again report wants to look at pollutants,
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endocrine disruptors, and pharmaceuticals in our water.
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If it's cristone, it's all three of those things.
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The EPA and HHS recently came out for their contaminant candidate list six
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to put microplastics and pharmaceuticals on it.
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Because it's a priority to research what's this doing for our drinking water.
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Well, obviously, it's the pharmaceutical.
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Secretary Kennedy, I actually had an amazing chance encounter with him at the airport.
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But he has said we need to look at the alarming decline in fertility
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by looking at endocrine disrupting chemicals.
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And so one of the things that we're trying to point out is that's great.
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Do that and make microplastics a focus of that.
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The last quote here that I'll say is further reviewing pharmaceutical products
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with gold standard science.
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This is common sense.
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It's not an attack on science.
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It's what the American people and I would argue the international community deserve.
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We need to know what's in our water.
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Now, there is a potential move.
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So if we regulate moving person, which I think we really need to,
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I would say we need to prohibit it and I could answer questions on that.
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But there is going to be a move from the abortion industry
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to go to Mize and Prostho only abortion.
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Now, we've got a safety review in the United States coming.
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But in response, the abortion industry, even before this,
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they've been pushing Mize and Prostho only abortion.
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Now, Mize and Prostho is the second pill in the two chemical pill abortion protocol.
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And that forces a woman's uterus to contract and expel the child.
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Now, this is a bit different.
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It does not form active metabolites in the same way,
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but it does obviously still generate the medical waste.
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And even if you don't agree that a fetus is a baby,
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say you just want to call it a fetus,
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you can't deny that it is medical waste.
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Blood is a medical waste.
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Blood, body tissue, et cetera.
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So there's a loophole here where the FDA doesn't have to approve it
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because Mize and Prostho is approved for other uses.
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They can just go and start using Mize and Prostho for abortions.
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And like I say, they're already using this.
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Now, if they want to market Mize and Prostho as an abort efficient,
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then they have to go and do a new environmental assessment.
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Now, I say this to say there's still an environmental concern here
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because at 10 weeks gestation, a fetus, a baby, is one inch in size.
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At 12 weeks, it's two inches in size.
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Now, obviously, this is large enough, as I said, to clog toilets.
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And you can Google this.
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There's been reports of fetuses clogging in Israel and in the United States.
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I'm sure elsewhere, this was just the time I had to do a little bit more research
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on the international community.
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But in the U.S., I already showed you all of those,
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all that headlines of babies on the wastewater treatment plants.
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And again, if this can contribute to backing up your toilet
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and or causing environmental concern, it's something worthy of looking at
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because it still has the potential to pollute our environment.
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Now, I'm almost done here, but I want to highlight some of the greater
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emotional and psychological consequences of this.
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And a chemical abortion, unlike in a clinic,
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she's all alone when she's expelling the child.
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And even worse, this is really, really easy.
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As I alluded to this, abusers and sex traffickers
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to get their hands on this drug.
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And there are horror stories.
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You see like dozens and dozens and dozens of these.
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In fact, Rosalie from Louisiana is part of a case
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that's being tried now at the Fifth Circuit.
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You may have heard this, but the Supreme Court recently said
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they're going to continue to allow male-owner abortion
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while this case is ongoing.
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But essentially, she was cornered by her boyfriend.
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She found herself in a room with a man,
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and she was like, she's not going to let her boyfriend,
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she feared for her life.
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He was like saying, you need to take this pill right now,
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take this pill.
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And so now she's suing because the protocols in the United
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States weren't strong enough to help her.
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It's just really sad and tragic when you start
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to read all these stories.
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They're hard to read.
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Mail order, pills by post protocol,
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foregoes all common sense and best medical practice.
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I just like to say common sense.
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Like if you are going to be taking an abortion pill
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and you need to verify gestation.
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I had four kids.
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My first one, I could have not known I was pregnant
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for several weeks.
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Now I did, obviously we were trying,
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but there's not a lot.
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I never had morning sickness.
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I didn't have a lot of signs of that.
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You need to go to see where is your gestation.
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Because if you're 16, 17, in the UK,
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there was a tragic case, Carla Farsler.
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She was 34 weeks pregnant, and she got her hands on these pills.
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That is traumatic, not only because of the blood and hemorrhage
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and you're essentially delivering a baby in your bathroom.
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But women don't always know what they're doing.
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They don't realize what they're doing.
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They think they're going to see tissue,
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not a tiny fully formed fetus.
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But again, all of these things are common sense.
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You need to rule out ectopic pregnancies.
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I can explain what that is.
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RH negative blood types, you need to rule that out
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or ensure you administer a shot afterward.
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And again, there's no way to rule out coercion.
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So again, women with hemorrhage in the US,
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complication rates are extremely high, one in 10 women.
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And again, the mother is often traumatized.
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And there are so many stories of women who said,
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I didn't know I'd be released.
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They're calling up their grandparents and saying,
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what just happened?
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I didn't realize I was going to see,
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I could tell it was a little baby, 10 fingers, 10 toes.
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And they don't want to go into their bathrooms anymore.
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The rate of depression, et cetera, all of that is higher.
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And the mother feels like to,
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because really her abortion was not a heavy period.
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That's what they're told.
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Oh, it'll be like a heavy period.
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You might have some cramping, take a Tylenol.
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Some women, the pain is so severe
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because they're essentially giving birth.
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They feel like they're going to die.
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They have no idea.
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So ideally, we'd love to see mythic presone suspended
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off the market until you do the environmental assessment.
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We're using environmental law, by the way,
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because a lot of the strategies that are being used
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to try to regulate this drug protocol aren't working.
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They're just not.
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We see an increase in abortion rates, not a decrease.
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And so we're saying like, well, let's,
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you don't have to be pro-life to want clean drinking water.
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So let's do the gold standard research.
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Let's figure out what's going on.
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Let's ensure, at least in the US,
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you're complying with all relevant laws on water quality
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and let's look at some sanitary disposal protocols
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and ideally require a truly informed consent here.
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We need women to know what's going on.
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So we want to challenge everyone listening
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get educated, go to AbortionNurseWater.org
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and I can go through some action steps.
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But I just want to highlight, I'll put these up
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and I can put this in the chat as well.
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The main thing is what I'd love to see is for people
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when they talk about abortion, it does three things.
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It obviously kills the baby farms women
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but it contaminates our water.
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And I think that we need to be talking about that.
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You can again, check out our website.
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The EPA is taking comments from the women
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on its contaminated candidate list.
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It's every five years they do this.
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So we're asking folks to submit a comment to that
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and then reaching out to your lawmakers
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and just giving them to be aware as well.
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So with that, I'm happy to take some questions.
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So Abigail, what's the link to Abortion in Our Water,
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the website?
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AbortionInOurWater.org
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So all one word, AbortionInOurWater.org
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and I put it in the chat.
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So you should hopefully be able to find it.
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So I'll put it in the chat.
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So I'll put it in the chat.
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And I put it in the chat.
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So you should hopefully be able to see that.
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And secondly, are you happy to share your slides
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so that people can share it around the world?
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Yes, I'm very happy to do that.
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So if you email that to me, I'll put it in the chat
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so you don't have to worry about it
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so that you can answer the questions
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for the 25 minutes that we have you.
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Thank you so much, everybody.
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Stephen, we'll come to you.
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You've answered the question, Abigail,
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that these drugs are designed for up to 10 weeks,
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theoretically, correct?
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Correct.
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And two inches is a common size of the fetus of the baby?
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One inch at 10 weeks.
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And then at 12 weeks, you get up to two, two inches.
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So the pills have been approved, quote unquote,
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approved by the WHO for up to 12 weeks.
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Up to 12, got you.
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Thank you.
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The United States is 10 weeks.
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But I would argue that 12 weeks is too far.
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And again, the main issue is there's no gestation verification.
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So, you know, women, it's very common for them
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to not remember their last menstrual period.
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They may not know.
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But yes, theoretically, 10 weeks,
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but it's used much later than that.
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Yep, thank you.
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And the other point, I think, I want to bring out to your,
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everyone's attention is that today, May the 17th, 2026,
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President Trump is rededicating the USA to God.
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So I'll put the link into the chat, everybody.
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So May 17, put that into your, into your memory bank.
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All right, Stephen Frost, are you there?
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Thank you so much, Abigail, for sharing this important message.
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I have no idea what the numbers are in Australia,
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but I will find out.
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Yep, I'm here.
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Hi, hi, hi. There you are.
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Hi, Abigail.
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Thank you so much for speaking to us.
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I just wanted to, I'm not an expert in this area.
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I'm a medical doctor, but I've never professed to be an expert in obstetrics.
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So I just wanted to ask you, have you,
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who have you tried to raise this with officially?
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And through maybe open letters?
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And what success, if any, have you had?
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Have you experienced any pushback?
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Attempted to silence you?
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Yes, really good question.
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So we started with reaching out to the Environmental Protection Agency in the United States.
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We met with staff at the EPA.
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We requested a meeting with the administrator, Lee Zeldin.
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One of my colleagues actually was able to speak to him in person about the issue.
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Side conversation, it wasn't an official meeting, but he did.
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He was able to speak to him and present it.
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Now, unfortunately, Lee Zeldin doesn't seem to remember this meeting.
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And that's a whole unfortunate controversy.
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So we actually did a press release because he test,
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Lee Zeldin testified in the hearing that he did not know anything about abortion in our water,
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which is either, either he's, his staff aren't doing their job well,
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and he just doesn't remember the meeting, or he was lying.
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Because not only have we brought this to the attention of the Environmental Protection Agency,
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but so have Students for Life.
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We're trying to highlight this to get environmental law in the United States to be enforced
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because they violated environmental law when they approved the drug in 2000.
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And, you know, and I didn't mention this, but on the website, there's a table.
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We put together all the violations going through, you know, for example,
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they should have done an objective environmental assessment.
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Well, the environmental assessment was done by the Population Council.
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They were the ones that wanted the drugs approval.
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They clearly had an interest in profiting from the drug,
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just as I'm sure you are all well over, pharmaceutical companies do.
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They also had ties to the eugenics movement.
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Let that sink in.
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So clearly the Population Council itself was not going to be objective.
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And that's again, this is just another violation of our law.
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Sorry, back to your question.
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0:34:02
So the FDA, we actually met with former Commissioner McCarrey.
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FDA Commissioner McCarrey was recently resigned and has been replaced,
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but we met with him, talked to him about it.
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He was viscerally moved when we talked about, you know, a misoprostol-only abortion
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because I don't know that I mentioned this.
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In a misoprostol-only abortion, the baby is born alive.
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And so women will see a live little fetus 10 weeks, 12 weeks,
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or whatever gestation she is in the toilet.
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0:34:30
And so the trauma is exponentially worse.
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And so in addition to highlighting the environmental harms,
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we need to be highlighting the trauma women can undergo.
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0:34:41
And so you talk about reception, they received it really well.
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He wasn't aware.
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He was glad that we brought it to his attention.
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Now I'm hoping we've requested a meeting with the new Commissioner
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or acting Commissioner, I should say,
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I'm hoping to get that meeting in place soon here.
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But the acting Commissioner has talked with other leaders on this issue.
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They are doing a safety review on the drugs themselves.
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So that's exciting to see.
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And then the final thing, and I actually maybe should have mentioned this
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in my presentation, but I was trying to make sure I was concise.
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0:35:13
We met with White House Domestic Policy Council staff a couple different times,
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and we presented this issue when they did their MAHA strategy.
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So they did a MAHA report in May.
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They released their strategy in August.
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And one of the folks that we met with actually let us know that language was
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included in that report that said we need to, you know,
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they're recommending looking at pharmaceuticals in our water.
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They said that was a direct result of our meeting, which was really encouraging.
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You know, so they seem to be taking it seriously to an extent,
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but we're wanting it to go beyond just pharmaceuticals.
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You need to look at Mipah Pristone specifically because no other
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pharmaceutical was intentionally developed and FDA approved to be lethal in nature.
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So there are other drugs and it forms the actin metabolites and it generates
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medical waste. No other drug does all those things.
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So it was designed to be lethal, generates medical waste.
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And in any other context, like I say, there are proper disposal protocols for
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medical waste.
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Like a hospital can't flush its medical waste down the toilet.
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And then it forms these actin metabolites.
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You might find another drug that has one or two of those things,
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but no other drug is all three.
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And so that's why it really does deserve heightened scrutiny.
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Oh, and then we've met with congressional offices.
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We gave all offices that we've met with actually all members a copy of our
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white paper, the comprehensive white paper on the topic.
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And that's had good reception.
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There are, there is actually interest in holding a congressional hearing on this,
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which we would love to see, love to see that happen.
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So we're praying that one in just because the American people, I mean,
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everyone we need to, you know, we deserve to be aware of what's going on and
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what's in our water.
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0:36:57
So Congress wants do not flush labeling on baby wipes.
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And the FDA says essentially, feel free to flush babies down the toilet.
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So that's pretty worrying.
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It's also the kind of thing that the public will understand.
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So, so I just wonder whether you've considered writing an open letter to the
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FDA in particular, or to whomever you hold to be most at fault,
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because it seems to be the game that one body is blaming another body.
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And that's not satisfactory.
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The big picture is that, you know, they're contradicting.
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So government essentially or whatever, it, it,
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they're contradicting themselves.
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Do not flush and then feel free, feel free to flush your babies down the
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toilet. So, and the last question I wanted to ask you,
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I think Charles was trying to get to the bottom of it.
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These pills that are being used to chemically induce abortion.
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What's the maximum, you know, period of gestation that they work for?
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Are you saying that they work?
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Did I hear you say earlier that they work into the third trimester?
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They do. And that's the tragedy.
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So I'd say to your first question, we,
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we actually did write a letter to the FDA and open letter when they approved
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the generic version in 2015.
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I'm so sorry, I forgot to mention that that's actually what led us to get the
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meeting with commissioner McCarrey.
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0:38:25
So we wrote the, and that's,
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that letter is on our website if you want to take a look, but we,
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we actually do want to do another letter because obviously there's a new
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commissioner acting commissioner now.
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Absolutely. Yeah, really good. But yes, unfortunately,
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these pills will work at any gestation.
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So progesterone is a vital fertility hormone.
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Many women need it to get and stay pregnant and have a protective
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fertility. Well,
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Mifichristone blocks it and it will block it at any gestation.
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So the case that I'm aware of, and you know, it's awful.
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This poor woman, Carla Foster, she, you know, is during COVID.
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She lied about her gestation.
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0:39:08
Obviously the, it was B pass, you know, sending her pills,
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didn't verify it.
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And she is haunted. She said in her,
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and I'll spare you all the details of what's going on in the UK.
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You probably, you are, might be familiar.
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But she said, I'm haunted. I'm haunted by my child's face.
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She named her child, Lily, because it was a child. And she,
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0:39:28
you know, she should have had, you know,
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0:39:32
at the very, very least. And you probably noticed the practice of medicine,
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you don't give, you know,
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0:39:41
the solution or the prescription unless you are sure of your diagnosis.
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And so they thought the diagnosis was that she's 10 weeks pregnant.
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She's 34 weeks pregnant.
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It's just common sense that they have,
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they should verify that and they would do that in any other, you know,
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medical setting, but you know,
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try to find out if she's pregnant or not.
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You know,
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medical setting, but you know, tragically,
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0:40:03
the abortion issue has become so controversial that it seems to be impervious to scrutiny.
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0:40:05
The abortion pill itself,
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it seems that there's jiggery-pokery going on there because they're leading people to believe that they only work up to the,
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in the first trimester essentially.
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And, but actually they work into the third trimester.
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That's also a very emotive issue,
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0:40:23
which if you put it in an open letter and put these people on notice, you know,
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0:40:27
the ones you consider to be most at fault,
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they would have difficulty defending.
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0:40:33
I think you've got your meeting with various people,
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essentially maybe to keep you quiet, you know,
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because the meeting looks as though they're doing something,
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0:40:42
but I suspect they'll do nothing.
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I don't know the reasons for that, but anyway,
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0:40:49
thank you so much for speaking to us, Abigail.
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0:40:50
And by the way,
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try to watch that amazing BBC play,
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which was from years ago called Abigail's Party.
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I'll try. I'll look that up. Thank you.
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0:41:02
Thank you. Thank you, Stephen.
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0:41:04
We'll be tight, Abigail,
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be tight on your answers because I know you can give extensive answers.
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0:41:09
So give short, we've got Judith,
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0:41:11
you'll have to wait after Mark.
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0:41:12
Steal, Judith.
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0:41:14
So you'll give your hand up. Good. Well done.
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Okay, Daria.
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So keep the questions short, everybody.
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Yeah, this is real fast. Thank you.
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0:41:20
Thank you, David.
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Thank you, David.
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Thank you, David.
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Thank you, David.
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Thank you, Abigail.
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0:41:26
This fantastic presentation.
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0:41:30
And it is probably the one topic that could pull people in of
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0:41:34
different political orientations.
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0:41:36
And specifically this environmental issue.
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I was thinking of like the green party.
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And others as well.
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But I was curious if there's any evidence.
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Regarding this contamination of the water supply as affecting any
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of the other issues that are happening in the water.
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0:41:54
And I'm wondering if there's any evidence that this is a harm to
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0:41:57
wildlife and also to just domestic animals.
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0:41:58
Really good question.
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Unfortunately.
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0:42:06
Similar issue with, is it in our drinking water?
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The research is very scarce.
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0:42:09
So that's part of why we're trying to highlight this.
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It's to say, do the research.
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Cause we know like other chemicals,
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like estrogens and things like that in the water.
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Can affect fish, but there are three studies I'm aware of.
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And they did find that there is.
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Potential for harm to interfere with reproduction.
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0:42:21
In the African.
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Frog and.
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The sea urchin.
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0:42:25
The fish.
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The Nile tilapia.
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0:42:33
So it's all, it's in our academic white paper,
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abortion in our water.
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0:42:37
If you just, you know, go to that section.
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You'll see more detail.
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And then we have the,
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0:42:41
the research that we're doing on the water.
807
0:42:41
0:42:42
Thank you so much.
809
0:42:43
0:42:44
Thank you.
810
0:42:44
0:42:45
Great question.
812
0:42:46
0:42:48
Hey, I was just wondering.
813
0:42:48
0:42:50
You know, they test for these.
814
0:42:50
0:42:52
You know, chemicals and stuff coming out.
816
0:42:53
0:42:55
You know, it's like in the nanograms.
817
0:42:55
0:42:56
Per liter.
833
0:43:11
0:43:12
Come from the boats.
834
0:43:12
0:43:14
The tricked em fasting.
836
0:43:15
0:43:16
And the.
851
0:43:31
0:43:32
When it's in the sea it's like 10,000 liters.
852
0:43:32
0:43:33
Is that?
853
0:43:33
0:43:35
Which is almost 10,000 liters.
854
0:43:35
0:43:36
In three days.
855
0:43:36
0:43:37
If it was later.
857
0:43:38
0:43:39
so you know.
858
0:43:39
0:43:44
going to be able to detect this stuff.
859
0:43:44
0:43:47
If I understand your question correctly, is the question,
860
0:43:47
0:43:51
do we think it's really trace contamination can still
861
0:43:51
0:43:52
cause harm?
862
0:43:52
0:43:54
Is that the question?
863
0:43:54
0:43:57
Yeah, at this nanogram level.
864
0:43:57
0:43:58
Yeah, and that's a fair question.
865
0:43:58
0:44:01
It's good, because that was part of the reason the FDA said,
866
0:44:01
0:44:02
no, it won't cause harm.
867
0:44:02
0:44:04
It's so minimal, it's not going to cause harm.
868
0:44:04
0:44:07
Well, our question, two part answer, one is,
869
0:44:07
0:44:09
what's that doing over time?
870
0:44:09
0:44:11
If you're drinking trace elements of this over time,
871
0:44:11
0:44:14
over decades, particularly if it lasts long.
872
0:44:14
0:44:17
So it's a long lasting chemical, and it has a long half life.
873
0:44:22
0:44:25
If you're ingesting it faster than you're excreting it,
874
0:44:25
0:44:27
you know that there's going to be a potential for harm.
875
0:44:27
0:44:28
And that's part of the issue with forever chemicals,
876
0:44:28
0:44:30
you know, PFAS in our water.
877
0:44:30
0:44:33
It's parts per trillion use that really trace.
878
0:44:33
0:44:34
You think there's no way.
879
0:44:34
0:44:36
Most of us, if you don't know this already,
880
0:44:36
0:44:38
most of us have these chemicals,
881
0:44:38
0:44:39
forever chemicals in our body.
882
0:44:39
0:44:42
And you probably have other pharmaceuticals in your body too,
883
0:44:42
0:44:43
pharmaceuticals that you didn't take,
884
0:44:43
0:44:45
because it's in your drinking water,
885
0:44:45
0:44:47
and you drink water every day, I'm assuming.
886
0:44:48
0:44:50
So yeah, but it's a good question.
887
0:44:50
0:44:51
It's a good question.
888
0:44:51
0:44:52
All right, so Victor, we'll move on.
889
0:44:52
0:44:54
I don't know, we haven't got time for discussion,
890
0:44:54
0:44:57
but it's a great question that you ask.
891
0:44:57
0:44:58
Merrill.
892
0:44:58
0:45:03
Hello, I really appreciated your lecture and the topic.
893
0:45:10
0:45:14
It dovetails with a lot of the research
894
0:45:14
0:45:18
that I've been involved in over the decades,
895
0:45:18
0:45:22
that of the various types of pharmaceuticals
896
0:45:22
0:45:27
that are passing, sometime absolutely untouched
897
0:45:27
0:45:30
through the human body and directly
898
0:45:30
0:45:34
into the potable water supplies, like in the reservoirs.
899
0:45:34
0:45:37
One of the studies that we were involved in
900
0:45:37
0:45:40
was with the drinking water reservoirs
901
0:45:40
0:45:42
in Dallas, Texas area.
902
0:45:44
0:45:48
And a lot of those are like the steroids,
903
0:45:48
0:45:53
and even illegal chemicals, meth and cocaine,
904
0:45:53
0:45:55
and things like that.
905
0:45:56
0:45:59
But a lot of the steroids, birth control pills,
906
0:45:59
0:46:03
and these type of pharmaceuticals,
907
0:46:04
0:46:09
they pass directly, metabolized through the body.
908
0:46:10
0:46:15
So how is that actually dovetailing back into your outline?
909
0:46:19
0:46:21
And this is one of the things that with the,
910
0:46:22
0:46:27
the, they make America healthy again, mantra,
911
0:46:28
0:46:33
is that this is the moms who see their children
912
0:46:33
0:46:38
being sickened that is crossing all party lines.
913
0:46:38
0:46:43
It's not a Democrat or a Republican or anything like that,
914
0:46:43
0:46:45
or any racial lines, it's mothers
915
0:46:45
0:46:48
who see their children sick.
916
0:46:48
0:46:49
Yeah, absolutely.
917
0:46:49
0:46:52
And that's, I'm thankful,
918
0:46:52
0:46:53
I'm thankful Secretary Kennedy has said,
919
0:46:53
0:46:56
we need to look at pharmaceuticals in our water
920
0:46:56
0:46:59
and pollutants and endocrine destructors generally.
921
0:46:59
0:47:01
And there is a risk of harm
922
0:47:01
0:47:03
from all sorts of pharmaceuticals.
923
0:47:03
0:47:07
I think the kind of the uniqueness of Mipra-Chryston,
924
0:47:07
0:47:10
and you can't say it enough is that it's lethal in nature
925
0:47:10
0:47:12
and it's blocking a vital fertility hormone.
926
0:47:12
0:47:14
And when you look at infertility rates,
927
0:47:14
0:47:18
I just think it's really important that we're asking,
928
0:47:18
0:47:21
why do so many people need to take progesterone
929
0:47:21
0:47:23
to help with their fertility?
930
0:47:23
0:47:25
Mipra-Chryston is blocking that progesterone.
931
0:47:25
0:47:28
And it's the most commonly used, as far as I'm aware, drug
932
0:47:28
0:47:30
that does that, that blocks progesterone,
933
0:47:30
0:47:32
that forms, that generates medical waste.
934
0:47:32
0:47:34
And that was developed to do that.
935
0:47:34
0:47:35
But it's a synthetic,
936
0:47:35
0:47:37
there are a lot of drugs that are synthetic,
937
0:47:37
0:47:40
but synthetic drugs are also known to be much stronger
938
0:47:40
0:47:44
and more resilient to wastewater treatment plants.
939
0:47:44
0:47:49
And so there's, again, just some distinction or uniqueness,
940
0:47:50
0:47:52
uniqueness to Mipra-Chryston itself
941
0:47:52
0:47:55
that I think really does warrant that heightened scrutiny.
942
0:47:55
0:47:57
But yes, it is fair to say all pharmaceuticals
943
0:47:57
0:47:58
should be studied, but particularly,
944
0:47:58
0:48:02
I'm just, Mipra-Chryston for all the reasons I mentioned.
945
0:48:02
0:48:04
And it's all detailed in our report as well.
946
0:48:04
0:48:06
Sorry, I'll direct you back there too,
947
0:48:06
0:48:08
because I talk about in the report,
948
0:48:08
0:48:09
some of those other drugs, some of those,
949
0:48:09
0:48:11
estrogen particularly.
950
0:48:12
0:48:17
And we did studies back in the mid 1970s showing,
951
0:48:18
0:48:23
how you had these gender modifications in target species
952
0:48:26
0:48:29
like tadpoles from various,
953
0:48:29
0:48:33
just regular agricultural chemicals.
954
0:48:33
0:48:37
And a lot of these are synthetic estrogenic compounds
955
0:48:37
0:48:41
and synthetic anti-androgens.
956
0:48:42
0:48:45
And working in both directions there.
957
0:48:45
0:48:48
So it's widespread.
958
0:48:48
0:48:53
Atrazine was one of the big things that actually,
959
0:48:55
0:48:58
these are very, very strong androgenic compounds.
960
0:49:02
0:49:04
So leaving you on this,
961
0:49:04
0:49:07
I really appreciate the work
962
0:49:07
0:49:09
that you're doing in this regards.
963
0:49:09
0:49:13
I have a new paper that if I ever finished editing
964
0:49:13
0:49:15
for publication, I've been working on for months.
965
0:49:15
0:49:19
It's iatrogenic cerebral mycosis,
966
0:49:20
0:49:24
that deprives people of free will
967
0:49:24
0:49:28
by abrogating the capability of human agency.
968
0:49:30
0:49:35
And it's an entire series on iatrogenic disease states.
969
0:49:36
0:49:40
It's exactly what you're discussing here.
970
0:49:41
0:49:43
Thank you, Meryl, great work.
971
0:49:43
0:49:44
Meryl is doing important work, Abigail.
972
0:49:44
0:49:48
When you come back, we'll have some good conversations.
973
0:49:48
0:49:51
On that, good, we've got six minutes left.
974
0:49:51
0:49:53
Mark, then Judith, we're doing well.
975
0:49:55
0:49:57
Hi Abigail, that was fantastic by the way.
976
0:49:57
0:49:59
You've horrified me.
977
0:49:59
0:50:02
I'm not normally the type, everybody will tell you,
978
0:50:02
0:50:04
I'm not the normal type to be horrified,
979
0:50:04
0:50:08
but that ties in very, very well to the demonic,
980
0:50:08
0:50:12
let's say entities that unfortunately control this space.
981
0:50:15
0:50:19
We see, like Sir Putin talking about the baby butchering cult,
982
0:50:19
0:50:22
these people who predate on human flesh.
983
0:50:22
0:50:24
And I think this is a very, very interesting way
984
0:50:24
0:50:29
to get human DNA and flesh into the water table.
985
0:50:30
0:50:35
London is a 100% cycle water space.
986
0:50:35
0:50:37
So unfortunately, they've all basically turned
987
0:50:37
0:50:40
into cannibals, so it's quite interesting,
988
0:50:40
0:50:43
very, very interesting subject matter.
989
0:50:43
0:50:45
Really appreciated it.
990
0:50:46
0:50:50
The question is, is the spiritual aspect of this?
991
0:50:50
0:50:54
Because we see it, whether it be in the McDonald's meat
992
0:50:54
0:50:58
burgers or all these other things,
993
0:50:58
0:51:01
what's your take on that?
994
0:51:01
0:51:02
That's a great question.
995
0:51:02
0:51:06
And honestly, I think it's the most important
996
0:51:06
0:51:07
spiritual battle we're fighting right now,
997
0:51:07
0:51:10
because if you look back through the Bible particularly,
998
0:51:10
0:51:13
you see all throughout the Old Testament,
999
0:51:13
0:51:16
the nations that God told the Israelites to drive out
1000
0:51:16
0:51:18
and to get rid of were sacrificing their babies
1001
0:51:18
0:51:20
to God's demons.
1002
0:51:20
0:51:22
They're sacrificing them in the fire.
1003
0:51:22
0:51:24
We are doing the exact same thing.
1004
0:51:24
0:51:27
God will not bless a nation who is murdering its innocents.
1005
0:51:27
0:51:30
And I see, and this is the,
1006
0:51:30
0:51:31
and I'll say this to this audience,
1007
0:51:31
0:51:32
because the question was asked.
1008
0:51:32
0:51:34
I don't say this in all audiences,
1009
0:51:34
0:51:37
but on a personal level, that is why I fight this topic,
1010
0:51:37
0:51:39
because I believe it is vital that we stand up
1011
0:51:39
0:51:41
for the voiceless and for those that cannot stand up
1012
0:51:41
0:51:42
for themselves.
1013
0:51:44
0:51:46
Fantastic, thanks for that, Abigail.
1014
0:51:46
0:51:47
Really appreciate it.
1015
0:51:47
0:51:48
God bless.
1016
0:51:49
0:51:50
Thank you, Mark.
1017
0:51:50
0:51:54
Judith, and then Stephen can close with last questions.
1018
0:51:54
0:51:56
All right, first of all, thank you very much
1019
0:51:56
0:51:59
for bringing this topic to mind.
1020
0:52:01
0:52:03
It needs more exposure.
1021
0:52:03
0:52:06
And my concern is, by the way,
1022
0:52:06
0:52:09
I hope you show us what your X handle is,
1023
0:52:09
0:52:12
because that's where the movers and shakers are.
1024
0:52:12
0:52:15
The other is, do you have a list
1025
0:52:16
0:52:19
that you could share with us of media
1026
0:52:19
0:52:23
that would actually support your arguments?
1027
0:52:23
0:52:26
There have to be some entities out there
1028
0:52:26
0:52:30
that we can start the ball rolling with
1029
0:52:30
0:52:34
that would support everything you're talking about.
1030
0:52:34
0:52:36
I think we need to know.
1031
0:52:36
0:52:37
Yeah, no, thank you.
1032
0:52:37
0:52:38
It's a really good question.
1033
0:52:38
0:52:40
Well, interestingly, there are some of the more,
1034
0:52:42
0:52:45
the majority of reporters might call them fringe,
1035
0:52:45
0:52:46
but we have had a few interviews on this,
1036
0:52:46
0:52:48
some radio interviews, podcasts, and things like that.
1037
0:52:48
0:52:50
Those are actually on the website as well,
1038
0:52:50
0:52:51
AbortionInOurWater.org.
1039
0:52:51
0:52:52
You can check out some of that.
1040
0:52:53
0:52:56
And I think for those that are actually interested in truth
1041
0:52:56
0:53:01
and want to get their news from alternative outlets,
1042
0:53:01
0:53:06
we have been, we see at least a growing audience for it.
1043
0:53:06
0:53:07
So absolutely post it wherever you can.
1044
0:53:07
0:53:09
Post it on your social media.
1045
0:53:10
0:53:13
If you know folks that would be interested in doing this,
1046
0:53:13
0:53:16
I'd be happy to, I'm always happy to talk about it
1047
0:53:16
0:53:16
and bring it.
1048
0:53:16
0:53:19
Well, can you give us a list?
1049
0:53:19
0:53:20
I don't have a list specifically,
1050
0:53:20
0:53:22
but I can tell you, go to our website
1051
0:53:23
0:53:24
and on the very bottom,
1052
0:53:24
0:53:25
you'll see where we have been interviewed
1053
0:53:25
0:53:27
and where we have done podcasting.
1054
0:53:27
0:53:29
And do you have an X handle?
1055
0:53:29
0:53:31
I personally don't, but Liberty Council Action.
1056
0:53:31
0:53:33
So Liberty Council Action,
1057
0:53:33
0:53:35
which is some of the public policy analysts
1058
0:53:35
0:53:37
for Liberty Council Action,
1059
0:53:37
0:53:39
and we have a, they have a Twitter,
1060
0:53:39
0:53:41
we have a Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, et cetera,
1061
0:53:41
0:53:42
all of that.
1062
0:53:42
0:53:47
And then we also have the website,
1063
0:53:48
0:53:49
AbortionInOurWater.org,
1064
0:53:49
0:53:51
which is run by Liberty Council Action.
1065
0:53:52
0:53:54
You can go to LibertyCouncilAction.org,
1066
0:53:54
0:53:56
see all the other great work we're doing.
1067
0:53:56
0:53:58
And then on this topic, particularly,
1068
0:53:58
0:54:00
it has its own website.
1069
0:54:03
0:54:04
Very good.
1070
0:54:04
0:54:06
Very good, Judith, great questions.
1071
0:54:06
0:54:07
Thank you, Abigail.
1072
0:54:07
0:54:08
Steven, last couple of minutes
1073
0:54:08
0:54:11
and then we'll let Abigail go.
1074
0:54:11
0:54:16
So Abigail, have you, in your mind,
1075
0:54:16
0:54:20
observing the people you've been talking to and others,
1076
0:54:20
0:54:24
have there been any concerted attempts to,
1077
0:54:24
0:54:25
shall we say, control you, you know,
1078
0:54:25
0:54:29
by not saying this, not talking about this
1079
0:54:29
0:54:31
just at the moment, because we're talking to you, you know?
1080
0:54:31
0:54:33
Has there been any of that?
1081
0:54:33
0:54:35
Also, I think it would be very good
1082
0:54:35
0:54:39
if you were to publish another open letter, you know,
1083
0:54:39
0:54:44
updated version, and highlight your most,
1084
0:54:45
0:54:48
the points which are most emotive for the public,
1085
0:54:48
0:54:50
because that's the kind of thing
1086
0:54:50
0:54:53
that will change public opinion, you know?
1087
0:54:53
0:54:57
And force them to take action on this thing,
1088
0:54:57
0:54:59
which I think has not been noticed.
1089
0:54:59
0:55:02
I never even thought about it, you know?
1090
0:55:02
0:55:06
And I'm quite creative sometimes, but I hadn't really,
1091
0:55:06
0:55:08
but of course it makes sense when you,
1092
0:55:10
0:55:13
my last question is, well, I think we won't say,
1093
0:55:13
0:55:16
the other thing is when you're writing open letters,
1094
0:55:16
0:55:19
I think it's very good to think
1095
0:55:19
0:55:22
of what your most important point is.
1096
0:55:22
0:55:25
The thing that you want the public to understand most,
1097
0:55:25
0:55:28
simplify it so that anyone can understand it
1098
0:55:28
0:55:31
and just drive home that message all the time.
1099
0:55:31
0:55:33
They can't stand up to it.
1100
0:55:33
0:55:36
They rely on people saying, and another thing,
1101
0:55:36
0:55:38
and another thing, and another thing,
1102
0:55:38
0:55:40
and discrediting themselves in the end.
1103
0:55:40
0:55:43
So stick to one thing that would be my,
1104
0:55:43
0:55:45
we did this with David Kelly,
1105
0:55:45
0:55:46
and they couldn't answer us.
1106
0:55:46
0:55:49
We used medicine against the government essentially
1107
0:55:49
0:55:50
with David Kelly.
1108
0:55:50
0:55:52
We said he hadn't committed suicide.
1109
0:55:52
0:55:54
We didn't say it was murder.
1110
0:55:54
0:55:56
We just needed to get out to the public
1111
0:55:56
0:55:58
that it was not suicide.
1112
0:55:58
0:56:01
And the public then say, well, if it's not suicide,
1113
0:56:01
0:56:03
it must be murder.
1114
0:56:03
0:56:04
Yes, yeah.
1115
0:56:04
0:56:06
No, I think it's a really, really good
1116
0:56:06
0:56:07
and well taken point.
1117
0:56:07
0:56:10
We, like I said, we do wanna do another open letter
1118
0:56:10
0:56:13
and that's, you know, in my public speaking courses,
1119
0:56:13
0:56:15
it's that what's your one message?
1120
0:56:15
0:56:16
Cause people are gonna walk away with one,
1121
0:56:16
0:56:18
they're gonna remember one thing.
1122
0:56:18
0:56:19
Absolutely.
1123
0:56:19
0:56:21
A hundred percent on board with you.
1124
0:56:21
0:56:22
If I would say remember one thing,
1125
0:56:22
0:56:25
remember chemical abortion contaminates water.
1126
0:56:25
0:56:27
And that's the message we wanna drive home.
1127
0:56:27
0:56:29
That's what we want people to remember.
1128
0:56:29
0:56:31
And that's, it's a, again,
1129
0:56:31
0:56:33
most nations are gonna have environmental laws.
1130
0:56:33
0:56:35
Look at your environmental laws.
1131
0:56:35
0:56:37
In the United States, we violated ours.
1132
0:56:37
0:56:42
And you know, it's a strategy that can really help here.
1133
0:56:43
0:56:44
And I will say, you know,
1134
0:56:44
0:56:47
I'm really happy to engage further in the conversation.
1135
0:56:47
0:56:48
If folks wanna email me,
1136
0:56:48
0:56:50
I'll put my email in the chat here
1137
0:56:50
0:56:52
if you have other questions
1138
0:56:52
0:56:55
and really, really just wanna encourage you
1139
0:56:55
0:56:57
to talk about this.
1140
0:56:57
0:56:59
And I'm gonna take one extra minute here
1141
0:57:01
0:57:03
cause I see a question here about
1142
0:57:03
0:57:06
abortive babies being organic, et cetera, clogging, you know,
1143
0:57:06
0:57:09
there's a greater risk of clogs from other things.
1144
0:57:09
0:57:12
But to that point, there's still,
1145
0:57:12
0:57:17
I would argue the risk and the reality are there.
1146
0:57:17
0:57:19
Babies do clog pipes.
1147
0:57:19
0:57:21
There are, you know, an aborted baby
1148
0:57:21
0:57:24
can contribute to backups.
1149
0:57:24
0:57:26
There was a Houston complex in Texas
1150
0:57:26
0:57:29
that had a bunch of sewage out.
1151
0:57:29
0:57:31
And then when the plumber went in,
1152
0:57:31
0:57:33
they found the baby, you know, in the plumbing.
1153
0:57:33
0:57:37
Now, we're not seeing a lot of investigation
1154
0:57:37
0:57:41
into particularly, you know, I'm not,
1155
0:57:41
0:57:44
hear me, I'm not arguing for prosecuting women.
1156
0:57:44
0:57:45
That is not my argument.
1157
0:57:45
0:57:49
I am arguing that they should be informed
1158
0:57:49
0:57:53
and that they should be given a sanitary waste bag
1159
0:57:53
0:57:54
if you're gonna do it at home.
1160
0:57:54
0:57:57
Ideally, I'd love to just see it go back to the clinic model.
1161
0:57:57
0:58:00
I don't think we should be doing chemical abortions at all.
1162
0:58:00
0:58:03
I think it's barbaric personally.
1163
0:58:03
0:58:05
But if you're going to, at the very least,
1164
0:58:05
0:58:06
don't clog your toilet.
1165
0:58:06
0:58:08
Like this is ridiculous, right?
1166
0:58:08
0:58:09
Like you don't have, it's common sense.
1167
0:58:09
0:58:12
You do not have to be pro-life
1168
0:58:12
0:58:15
to think in those common sense terms.
1169
0:58:15
0:58:16
At least that's my argument.
1170
0:58:16
0:58:18
And so I bless you all.
1171
0:58:18
0:58:19
I thank you so much for your time.
1172
0:58:19
0:58:22
I pray God meets each and every one of you
1173
0:58:22
0:58:23
and the rest of your conversation
1174
0:58:23
0:58:25
and whatever else you have going on today.
1175
0:58:25
0:58:27
And I will put my email here in the chat
1176
0:58:27
0:58:29
for folks if you have more questions.
1177
0:58:29
0:58:34
And your slide deck as well, Abigail.
1178
0:58:35
0:58:38
I will make sure I email that to you.
1179
0:58:38
0:58:39
Yeah, beautiful.
1180
0:58:39
0:58:40
So, Abigail, one last question.
1181
0:58:40
0:58:43
You are married to a Brit, I think, a British.
1182
0:58:43
0:58:46
You have a British husband and you have four children.
1183
0:58:46
0:58:50
And so do you think that traveling
1184
0:58:50
0:58:54
actually makes people aware of two systems?
1185
0:58:54
0:58:55
They get to know two systems,
1186
0:58:55
0:58:58
at least two systems in the world.
1187
0:58:58
0:59:00
When most people are only exposed to one,
1188
0:59:00
0:59:02
do you think that traveling necessarily
1189
0:59:02
0:59:05
makes it more likely that you're going to notice things
1190
0:59:05
0:59:08
like you've noticed this, you know, and taking it up?
1191
0:59:08
0:59:09
Yes, absolutely.
1192
0:59:09
0:59:12
So, yes, I think so too.
1193
0:59:14
0:59:16
So everyone needs to travel.
1194
0:59:17
0:59:20
I went to 36 states in America when I was 19 years old.
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0:59:22
0:59:23
Very good, very good.
1197
0:59:25
0:59:27
All right, thank you, Abigail.
1198
0:59:27
0:59:29
Go to your next meeting.
1199
0:59:29
0:59:32
Go forth and multiply your thoughts
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0:59:32
0:59:35
as a variation on the Bible.
1201
0:59:35
0:59:35
Yes, amen.
1202
0:59:35
0:59:37
Thank you all.
1203
0:59:37
0:59:38
Thank you.
1204
0:59:41
0:59:43
All right, Stephen, well, there was a,
1205
0:59:43
0:59:45
we'll stop this recording now
1206
0:59:45
0:59:46
and we're gonna have a general chat.
1207
0:59:46
0:59:49
Well, and maybe Charles, we could let Meryl,
1208
0:59:49
0:59:51
he won't waste people's time.
1209
0:59:51
0:59:53
He understands the science.
1210
0:59:53
0:59:55
We could maybe let him talk.
1211
0:59:55
0:59:56
That would be great.
1212
0:59:56
1:00:00
Yeah, no, while Meryl's gathering his thoughts, Stephen,
1213
1:00:00
1:00:03
what are your thoughts on the big gathering
1214
1:00:03
1:00:04
in London on Saturday?
1215
1:00:04
1:00:09
Because Mark was there on Saturday.
1216
1:00:11
1:00:16
He can't be with us tonight, your time.
1217
1:00:16
1:00:19
But apparently the reports that I've seen
1218
1:00:19
1:00:22
organized by Tommy Robinson was a big, big demonstration.
1219
1:00:22
1:00:25
Would you agree, Stephen, from what you saw?
1220
1:00:25
1:00:26
I haven't seen much.
1221
1:00:26
1:00:28
I haven't even seen any reporting,
1222
1:00:28
1:00:31
but I did see a British doctor.
1223
1:00:31
1:00:33
I'm not going to name that doctor,
1224
1:00:33
1:00:35
but I was a little bit surprised
1225
1:00:35
1:00:38
that that doctor characterized the demonstration
1226
1:00:38
1:00:42
of whatever it was as Islamophobic.
1228
1:00:46
1:00:47
Thank you, that's right.
1229
1:00:47
1:00:52
Anyone who dares question Islam is Islamophobic
1230
1:00:52
1:00:53
and that's the classic.
1231
1:00:53
1:00:55
That's like anyone who questions the government
1232
1:00:55
1:00:58
is a conspiracy theorist, same model.
1233
1:00:58
1:01:01
Or anybody who says anything about anyone is racist.
1234
1:01:01
1:01:03
So there you are.
1235
1:01:03
1:01:06
But it's disingenuous, Charles, because London,
1236
1:01:06
1:01:09
and that's where the demonstration took place,
1237
1:01:09
1:01:13
has a freak of a mayor, Saadi Khan,
1238
1:01:13
1:01:18
and to dismiss everything about protesting against Saadi Khan
1239
1:01:19
1:01:20
amongst other things,
1240
1:01:22
1:01:26
because the demonstration was quote Islamophobic
1241
1:01:26
1:01:27
is disingenuous in my opinion.
1242
1:01:28
1:01:29
And I was very surprised.
1243
1:01:29
1:01:34
I actually respect the doctor involved,
1244
1:01:35
1:01:37
but it was just kind of throw away comments
1245
1:01:37
1:01:39
and not properly thought about,
1246
1:01:39
1:01:41
should have been Charles.
1247
1:01:41
1:01:43
But the trouble is you probably get chucked out
1248
1:01:43
1:01:48
of the group, you know, and cause mayhem by raising.
1249
1:01:48
1:01:51
And it's not just not worth it sometimes,
1250
1:01:51
1:01:53
because you have more important things to...
1251
1:01:53
1:01:57
As Darius says, we're suffering.
1252
1:01:57
1:01:59
We've got tyrannophobia, I love it,
1253
1:01:59
1:02:02
and despotism phobia.
1254
1:02:02
1:02:04
Yes, I've got both of those as well.
1255
1:02:04
1:02:08
I oppose tyrants and despots.
1256
1:02:08
1:02:10
And I oppose traitors.
1257
1:02:10
1:02:12
And they are traitors, what do you call that?
1258
1:02:12
1:02:14
Traitor phobia.
1259
1:02:14
1:02:16
Meryl, so Stephen, so what would you like Meryl
1260
1:02:16
1:02:17
to talk about?
1261
1:02:17
1:02:21
Oh, Meryl, so if you could kind of not take too long,
1262
1:02:21
1:02:25
but you know, I respect what you say about science.
1263
1:02:25
1:02:27
You're very good with studies and stuff like that.
1264
1:02:27
1:02:31
And I just wonder whether you could kind of summarize
1265
1:02:31
1:02:33
the points which she was making,
1266
1:02:33
1:02:35
the most important points in your view, you know,
1267
1:02:35
1:02:38
and also what the research is saying, you know,
1268
1:02:38
1:02:40
how long has this been talked about?
1269
1:02:40
1:02:43
I didn't realize it was ever talked about.
1270
1:02:43
1:02:46
Well, yes, maybe I've got something in my mind
1271
1:02:46
1:02:49
from vaguely, you know, but nothing was pinned down.
1272
1:02:49
1:02:50
But anyway.
1273
1:02:51
1:02:55
Well, she makes an extremely rational and valid point.
1274
1:02:55
1:02:59
And she said, chemical abortion pills pollute water.
1275
1:03:00
1:03:03
And they pollute the drinking water.
1276
1:03:03
1:03:07
All of this is going back into the potable water supplies
1277
1:03:07
1:03:12
and coming back and it's coming out of your faucet there
1278
1:03:12
1:03:17
because whenever you start looking at the methodologies
1279
1:03:17
1:03:22
by which the municipalities purify drinking water
1280
1:03:22
1:03:23
and what they test for,
1281
1:03:24
1:03:27
they're not testing for that abortion pill.
1282
1:03:27
1:03:32
They're not testing for either the direct chemicals
1283
1:03:32
1:03:37
in there, nor are they directly testing for the metabolites
1284
1:03:37
1:03:42
and secondary metabolites and how they interact chemically
1285
1:03:42
1:03:44
with all of the other different chemicals in the water.
1286
1:03:44
1:03:49
They're not looking at when you're ingesting this
1287
1:03:50
1:03:55
and you as a healthy male,
1288
1:03:55
1:04:00
what happens whenever you're ingesting these chemicals.
1289
1:04:00
1:04:05
And then look at what happens when you have young boys,
1290
1:04:06
1:04:09
you know, young females.
1291
1:04:09
1:04:12
What is the, you know,
1292
1:04:13
1:04:17
what really is going on and how is, you know,
1293
1:04:17
1:04:21
these types of chemicals that they're drinking
1294
1:04:21
1:04:24
and it's in their food because bear in mind,
1295
1:04:24
1:04:28
you irrigate the food supplies,
1296
1:04:28
1:04:31
you irrigate a garden with that same water
1297
1:04:31
1:04:33
that's got these chemicals in it.
1298
1:04:33
1:04:38
It's getting into the tissues of an organic vegetable even.
1299
1:04:39
1:04:42
So could the chemicals and the metabolites
1300
1:04:42
1:04:45
affect human fertility in your view?
1301
1:04:45
1:04:46
Well, of course they could.
1302
1:04:46
1:04:48
Absolutely, absolutely.
1303
1:04:48
1:04:50
Whenever you start looking at it
1304
1:04:50
1:04:53
and what we had tangentially touched upon
1305
1:04:55
1:04:58
was two classes of chemicals.
1306
1:04:58
1:05:03
One is synthetic estrogenic compounds that are,
1307
1:05:03
1:05:07
you know, a common one is bisphenol A.
1308
1:05:07
1:05:11
These synthetic estrogenic compounds dock preferentially
1309
1:05:11
1:05:16
to the extracellular estrogen receptors.
1310
1:05:19
1:05:24
And so whenever it docks to the estrogen receptor on a cell,
1311
1:05:24
1:05:27
cell goes, okay, what do you want me to do?
1312
1:05:27
1:05:30
And because they think that is,
1313
1:05:30
1:05:34
see if you have one molecule of endogenous estrogen
1314
1:05:34
1:05:36
made by the human body,
1315
1:05:36
1:05:40
one molecule of synthetic estrogenic compound,
1316
1:05:42
1:05:47
well, they'll actually crowd the endogenous estrogen
1317
1:05:48
1:05:50
out and dock preferentially.
1318
1:05:50
1:05:52
The cell ask it, what do you want me to do?
1319
1:05:53
1:05:55
And since it's not real,
1320
1:05:55
1:05:57
well, it's not even giving them a signal.
1321
1:05:57
1:06:02
Well, the cell is going, well, wait a minute,
1322
1:06:02
1:06:04
you're docked and you've already, you know,
1323
1:06:04
1:06:08
opened the lock and you know, what's going on here.
1324
1:06:08
1:06:12
And so then it just fabricates something
1325
1:06:12
1:06:17
in the term of AI, which of course that's what a human cell,
1326
1:06:17
1:06:20
what human DNA really is analogous to,
1327
1:06:21
1:06:24
and it hallucinates.
1328
1:06:25
1:06:26
It doesn't know what to do.
1329
1:06:27
1:06:32
And then when you, and so you have these erroneous readings,
1330
1:06:33
1:06:37
they, but there are a lot of these chemicals
1331
1:06:37
1:06:39
that are out there that are just, you know,
1332
1:06:39
1:06:44
your commonly prescribed pharmaceuticals that,
1333
1:06:45
1:06:49
and then the chemicals that are allowed to be used
1334
1:06:49
1:06:52
by the EPA and the US Department of Agriculture
1335
1:06:52
1:06:57
and food stuff that are synthetic estrogenic compounds.
1336
1:07:00
1:07:05
They also allow, by the way, they quote forever chemicals,
1337
1:07:05
1:07:09
these PFAS backbone chemicals,
1338
1:07:09
1:07:12
and that are allowed to be used
1339
1:07:12
1:07:17
in the agricultural chemicals sprayed on your food crops.
1340
1:07:17
1:07:19
Yeah. So who do you think-
1341
1:07:19
1:07:20
I mean, it's insane.
1342
1:07:20
1:07:23
Then on the flip side, you have the,
1343
1:07:23
1:07:26
and Steven directly answering this,
1344
1:07:28
1:07:31
this is directly impacting female fertility.
1345
1:07:31
1:07:34
But whenever you go in the other side,
1346
1:07:34
1:07:39
you have these anti-androgenic chemicals.
1347
1:07:40
1:07:45
Some are androgenic, some are anti-androgenic,
1348
1:07:45
1:07:50
and that are androgen blockers and androgen inhibitors.
1349
1:07:51
1:07:56
A classic case in that is atrazine.
1350
1:07:56
1:07:58
Atrazine is widespread.
1351
1:07:58
1:08:03
Well, what it does then is it prevents the androgens
1352
1:08:04
1:08:06
from converting into testosterone,
1353
1:08:06
1:08:10
and so therefore lowers testosterone levels
1354
1:08:10
1:08:14
in healthy males simply by drinking the water
1355
1:08:14
1:08:16
that has these chemicals in it
1356
1:08:16
1:08:21
or eating ahead of broccoli, even organic broccoli,
1357
1:08:23
1:08:27
if it's sprayed with water that's containing or irrigated
1358
1:08:27
1:08:32
with the water that's contaminated with these chemicals.
1359
1:08:32
1:08:36
Yeah, Merle, is it disingenuous to say
1360
1:08:36
1:08:38
that you have to prescribe these things,
1361
1:08:38
1:08:42
even now as I understand it, and then lose interest,
1362
1:08:42
1:08:46
and blame the environmental agency or vice versa,
1363
1:08:46
1:08:51
the FDA for not regulating after that.
1364
1:08:51
1:08:54
So what's getting into our drinking water?
1365
1:08:56
1:08:59
And the other thing I wanted you to mention,
1366
1:08:59
1:09:03
so you're talking about, so would it affect both sexes
1367
1:09:03
1:09:06
when it comes to fertility, the existence of...
1368
1:09:07
1:09:08
Absolutely it does.
1369
1:09:08
1:09:12
It impacts fecundity across the board.
1370
1:09:12
1:09:17
One, the female fertility rate has gone dramatically down
1371
1:09:17
1:09:20
in most sections of the population,
1372
1:09:20
1:09:25
but the male fertility rate has gone down dramatically.
1373
1:09:26
1:09:28
Yeah, why do you think that is?
1374
1:09:28
1:09:30
Well, it's very clear cut.
1375
1:09:30
1:09:33
It's again, exactly what I was telling you.
1376
1:09:33
1:09:37
These are, we're swimming in a toxic chemical soup.
1377
1:09:37
1:09:40
Our bodies were not designed for that.
1378
1:09:42
1:09:45
The evolutionary status of our bodies,
1379
1:09:45
1:09:48
if you look at evolutionary biology,
1380
1:09:48
1:09:51
we were not designed for it.
1381
1:09:51
1:09:55
We cannot adapt at this rapid rate,
1382
1:09:55
1:10:00
because when you look at what happened
1383
1:10:02
1:10:04
just in life expectancy,
1384
1:10:04
1:10:09
if you look strictly at life expectancy in the United States
1385
1:10:09
1:10:13
from 1900 until 2026,
1386
1:10:13
1:10:16
you'll see patterns that are not discussed.
1387
1:10:16
1:10:21
And it's patterns not only of average life expectancy,
1388
1:10:22
1:10:25
but patterns within that life expectancy
1389
1:10:25
1:10:30
and patterns of morbidity within the mortality rates.
1390
1:10:31
1:10:35
And they're fluctuating all over the place.
1391
1:10:36
1:10:39
1900, you had a,
1392
1:10:41
1:10:45
it's stated that the average life expectancy
1393
1:10:45
1:10:47
was 39.5 years of age.
1394
1:10:47
1:10:52
And then the medical profession will tell you,
1395
1:10:52
1:10:55
oh, well, yeah, but with the advent of modern medicine,
1396
1:10:55
1:10:58
with meaning antibiotics,
1397
1:10:58
1:11:00
it doubled the life expectancy
1398
1:11:00
1:11:02
just within a couple of years.
1399
1:11:02
1:11:07
From when at the end of World War II, 1945,
1400
1:11:07
1:11:12
the penicillin was started to be handed out like candy
1401
1:11:12
1:11:15
across the civilian population of the United States.
1402
1:11:15
1:11:20
Oh, well, we eliminated the 50% childhood mortality rate
1403
1:11:23
1:11:27
that occurred in children before five years of age.
1404
1:11:27
1:11:32
And it was true that 50% of the children died.
1405
1:11:32
1:11:37
What is not true is that it was antibiotics
1406
1:11:38
1:11:43
that made the disproportionate amount of that causal change.
1407
1:11:46
1:11:51
And what really happened was the childhood mortality rates
1408
1:11:52
1:11:55
were so high because you had a lot of things
1409
1:11:55
1:11:57
like cholera and such.
1410
1:11:57
1:11:59
And that were,
1411
1:12:02
1:12:07
and these were fecal vectored waterborne pathogens.
1412
1:12:07
1:12:10
Well, so what really happened?
1413
1:12:10
1:12:15
Well, they started doing sanitary sewers in cities
1414
1:12:15
1:12:19
and then they started chlorinating the drinking water.
1415
1:12:19
1:12:23
Well, the chlorine killed the fecal bacteria
1416
1:12:23
1:12:28
and the sanitary sewers then was keeping it away from you
1417
1:12:28
1:12:33
and hoping these rudimentary septic systems
1418
1:12:33
1:12:36
were adequate enough.
1419
1:12:36
1:12:38
So to make it clear, Merrill,
1420
1:12:38
1:12:42
access to clean drinking water or cleaner drinking water
1421
1:12:42
1:12:45
made the difference, not antibiotics
1422
1:12:45
1:12:47
and not pharmaceuticals, is that right?
1423
1:12:47
1:12:49
Correct, it was killing.
1424
1:12:49
1:12:52
And it's not that the drinking water
1425
1:12:53
1:12:55
was clean, is that the drinking water
1426
1:12:55
1:13:00
no longer contained the pathogenic fecal shed pathogens.
1427
1:13:04
1:13:09
And those pathogens were both bacterial like cholera
1428
1:13:09
1:13:11
and all of those different types
1429
1:13:11
1:13:15
and viral hepatitis, let's say.
1430
1:13:15
1:13:17
And those were two of the-
1431
1:13:17
1:13:18
Typhoid?
1432
1:13:18
1:13:23
Typhoid, Merrill, that's a question.
1433
1:13:24
1:13:26
What, I'm sorry, what was that?
1434
1:13:26
1:13:28
And typhoid?
1435
1:13:28
1:13:29
Oh yeah, and typhoid.
1436
1:13:29
1:13:33
And so, but whenever you look at it,
1437
1:13:33
1:13:37
you know, typhoid and paratyphus
1438
1:13:37
1:13:41
and there's all of these have,
1439
1:13:41
1:13:45
they're almost like a spectrum of pathogens
1440
1:13:45
1:13:47
that are related to one another.
1441
1:13:48
1:13:50
That are not exactly the same,
1442
1:13:50
1:13:55
but chlorine, you know, chlorination in the drinking water,
1443
1:13:55
1:13:57
you know, it kills, you know,
1444
1:13:57
1:14:00
it's a broad spectrum of sterol.
1445
1:14:01
1:14:06
And so it sanitizes the water very, very effectively
1446
1:14:06
1:14:08
at very low rates.
1447
1:14:08
1:14:11
Chlorine dioxide does even a better job.
1448
1:14:11
1:14:13
That's much better.
1449
1:14:13
1:14:16
And it lower rates.
1450
1:14:16
1:14:18
So it was hypochlorous acid.
1451
1:14:18
1:14:22
And there is quite a number of, you know,
1452
1:14:22
1:14:26
chemical compounds that are quite effective at that.
1453
1:14:26
1:14:31
But they, and this is well known and well, well documented,
1454
1:14:32
1:14:35
but the medical profession has,
1455
1:14:36
1:14:40
they don't wanna even have the conversation about
1456
1:14:40
1:14:44
that the fact that this is, you know,
1457
1:14:45
1:14:49
plumbers that really made the difference.
1458
1:14:49
1:14:53
That it was the plumbers that double life expectancy.
1459
1:14:53
1:14:57
It wasn't the doctors and it wasn't the other,
1460
1:14:57
1:15:02
the pharmaceutical drugs that double the life expectancy.
1461
1:15:02
1:15:06
Now though, what has happened with the advent
1462
1:15:06
1:15:09
of all of these chemicals that have gone into the,
1463
1:15:09
1:15:14
the environment, and this is both in the breathing air,
1464
1:15:14
1:15:16
this is the water supply as we discussed.
1465
1:15:16
1:15:20
It's also the contaminated foods.
1466
1:15:20
1:15:24
The life expectancy in the United States is going down.
1467
1:15:24
1:15:27
And whenever you start looking at chronic disease,
1468
1:15:27
1:15:30
you know, this is one of the things that Bobby Kennedy
1469
1:15:30
1:15:34
very, very accurately described
1470
1:15:34
1:15:36
in the Senate confirmation hearings.
1471
1:15:36
1:15:40
You know, 92% of all the deaths in the United States
1472
1:15:40
1:15:44
are attributed to chronic disease.
1473
1:15:45
1:15:47
Why do you have all this chronic disease?
1474
1:15:49
1:15:51
Well, okay, why does it exist?
1475
1:15:51
1:15:56
Did the chronic disease states happen in 1900
1476
1:15:57
1:16:01
and before the advent of the chemicals or in England
1477
1:16:01
1:16:06
before, you know, 1800, before the industrial revolution.
1478
1:16:07
1:16:10
And you can see these patterns that emerge
1479
1:16:10
1:16:15
from the chemical pollutions like in London from,
1480
1:16:15
1:16:17
you know, they had steam engines.
1481
1:16:17
1:16:20
So you had all this coal and the coal dust
1482
1:16:20
1:16:25
and the air pollution there that started,
1483
1:16:25
1:16:29
you know, 1820 or something like that.
1484
1:16:29
1:16:34
So this has been going on at different parts of the world
1485
1:16:34
1:16:39
at different paces and with different chemicals
1486
1:16:40
1:16:45
and but in the United States over the past,
1487
1:16:46
1:16:49
you know, really 40 years,
1488
1:16:50
1:16:55
it has been absolutely insane and unconscionable
1489
1:16:56
1:17:01
the amount of chemicals that we're exposed to
1490
1:17:01
1:17:04
that are allowed by the EPA,
1491
1:17:04
1:17:06
the Environmental Protection Agency
1492
1:17:06
1:17:09
and the US Department of Agriculture.
1493
1:17:10
1:17:12
And all of the other federal agencies.
1494
1:17:12
1:17:17
I am enraged, I am livid about it.
1495
1:17:17
1:17:22
I have done, I've been doing environmental toxicology
1496
1:17:22
1:17:24
since 1972.
1497
1:17:24
1:17:28
This is not anything new for me, Steven.
1498
1:17:28
1:17:31
This has been my life.
1499
1:17:31
1:17:34
This is my raison d'etre.
1500
1:17:34
1:17:39
For all of these decades, it's stopped the pollution.
1501
1:17:39
1:17:43
Why are you even allowing these pollutants
1502
1:17:43
1:17:48
that you know, you know that what these things do
1503
1:17:50
1:17:53
and then you making all these pretense.
1504
1:17:54
1:17:58
And unfortunately, it always comes back to
1505
1:18:00
1:18:02
these forms of avarice.
1506
1:18:02
1:18:07
It is unbridled hubris of the government.
1507
1:18:07
1:18:12
It is the unbridled lust of the minions of government
1508
1:18:12
1:18:16
that are the unbridled lust for power,
1509
1:18:16
1:18:18
for control and money.
1510
1:18:18
1:18:21
Yeah, so, Merrill, so how do we expose the idiocy
1511
1:18:21
1:18:23
of telling populations?
1512
1:18:23
1:18:27
It is exposed everywhere.
1513
1:18:27
1:18:30
And you have a very, very pertinent question
1514
1:18:30
1:18:32
a few minutes ago.
1515
1:18:32
1:18:35
One of they blamed the environmental groups
1516
1:18:35
1:18:39
and it's because most of the big environmental groups
1517
1:18:39
1:18:43
are actually started by pharma.
1518
1:18:43
1:18:47
Pharma is behind, not pharma, but the chemical companies
1519
1:18:47
1:18:48
is behind it.
1520
1:18:48
1:18:51
And they control the environmental arms
1521
1:18:51
1:18:55
because they dump, they funnel it through
1522
1:18:55
1:18:59
various organizations and law firms and nonprofits.
1523
1:18:59
1:19:03
They fund these environmental groups
1524
1:19:03
1:19:06
and the more wacko the environmental groups are,
1525
1:19:06
1:19:09
the more you can see the fingerprints
1526
1:19:09
1:19:12
of the chemical companies in there
1527
1:19:12
1:19:17
because it makes the environmentalists look crazy.
1528
1:19:17
1:19:22
And which a lot of these things are nonsensical.
1529
1:19:22
1:19:24
I am the most ardent environmentalist
1530
1:19:24
1:19:26
that you have ever met.
1531
1:19:26
1:19:28
And I can tell you right now,
1532
1:19:28
1:19:33
85% of what these environmental groups say
1533
1:19:33
1:19:38
and what they are doing is not accurate.
1534
1:19:38
1:19:40
It's not true.
1535
1:19:40
1:19:45
And they come back and it's just like the,
1536
1:19:45
1:19:47
Al Gore with his global warming deal
1537
1:19:47
1:19:49
and the whole planet's gonna fall
1538
1:19:49
1:19:53
and there won't be any ice caps in 10 years.
1539
1:19:53
1:19:58
And it's just all the things that did not happen.
1540
1:19:58
1:20:00
It can happen, but what happened?
1541
1:20:00
1:20:02
So Meryl, I just wanna ask you,
1542
1:20:02
1:20:06
how do we change the public to realize
1543
1:20:06
1:20:10
that you can't just change things, you know, willy nilly
1544
1:20:10
1:20:13
and then have no interest in the effects of those changes,
1545
1:20:13
1:20:16
if you understand me, other than the one thing
1546
1:20:16
1:20:20
that you're trying to promote through the change,
1547
1:20:20
1:20:21
if you understand.
1548
1:20:21
1:20:25
So if you mess around with human beings
1549
1:20:25
1:20:28
who don't understand the universe as we know,
1550
1:20:29
1:20:31
and they don't understand, you know,
1551
1:20:31
1:20:32
they can't explain the universe.
1552
1:20:32
1:20:36
So how do they get away with saying,
1553
1:20:36
1:20:37
well, we're gonna change this
1554
1:20:37
1:20:41
and then not investigate the likely effects of that
1555
1:20:41
1:20:44
in the future, because there are so many effects.
1556
1:20:45
1:20:47
It's very easy.
1557
1:20:48
1:20:52
And that is that the United States public,
1558
1:20:52
1:20:56
the unwashed masses are not well-educated,
1559
1:20:56
1:21:01
nor are they in the UK, nor are they across Europe.
1560
1:21:01
1:21:04
There has been a tremendous dumbing down
1561
1:21:04
1:21:09
in the educational systems since the early 1960s
1562
1:21:11
1:21:12
in the United States.
1563
1:21:12
1:21:16
My mother, who was, you know, public school teacher
1564
1:21:16
1:21:21
and administrator principal, railed about that every day
1565
1:21:22
1:21:25
when in the civil rights movement,
1566
1:21:25
1:21:29
which was justifiable, was very, very real.
1567
1:21:31
1:21:35
But instead of trying to bring up
1568
1:21:35
1:21:38
the scholastic capability of everyone,
1569
1:21:38
1:21:43
what they did was tried to dumb down everybody
1570
1:21:43
1:21:45
to one common level.
1571
1:21:45
1:21:48
So you take the lowest common denominator
1572
1:21:48
1:21:52
and then you dumb everybody down to that.
1573
1:21:52
1:21:56
And you will see a paper that I had written, you know,
1574
1:21:56
1:21:59
not long ago called the Death of Excellence.
1575
1:21:59
1:22:02
And that's what that is really about.
1576
1:22:02
1:22:05
Exactly that, the death of excellence.
1577
1:22:05
1:22:06
And the-
1578
1:22:06
1:22:07
The death of what?
1579
1:22:07
1:22:09
The death of excellence.
1580
1:22:09
1:22:11
Ah yes, of course, yeah.
1581
1:22:11
1:22:12
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1582
1:22:12
1:22:15
And so how is it that they can get away with it?
1583
1:22:15
1:22:20
Because most people in the United States
1584
1:22:21
1:22:24
are learning now in six second sound bites
1585
1:22:24
1:22:28
off of a news channel, off of whatever-
1586
1:22:28
1:22:29
Merrill-
1587
1:22:29
1:22:30
The news group.
1588
1:22:30
1:22:34
Merrill, can you have a go at answering this question?
1589
1:22:34
1:22:38
Which decade, as far as the US is concerned,
1590
1:22:38
1:22:41
and then I will answer the same question, you know,
1591
1:22:41
1:22:43
as far as I can for the UK,
1592
1:22:44
1:22:45
I can't really answer for Europe,
1593
1:22:45
1:22:48
although I've got quite a good understanding of Europe,
1594
1:22:48
1:22:53
but so which decade do you think that the education
1595
1:22:53
1:22:58
that was available was best in the United States?
1596
1:22:58
1:23:03
Probably 1950s and the early 1960s.
1597
1:23:06
1:23:08
Yes, and then what did they realize?
1598
1:23:08
1:23:13
Why did they, they needed to mess up education
1599
1:23:13
1:23:15
because it does look as though that has occurred.
1600
1:23:15
1:23:16
I agree with you.
1601
1:23:16
1:23:20
I think that those, when I was a child-
1602
1:23:20
1:23:25
It was about the 1963 civil rights deal
1603
1:23:27
1:23:32
back with, after JFK was assassinated
1604
1:23:32
1:23:37
and Lyndon Baines Johnson became president
1605
1:23:38
1:23:43
and they started a civil rights initiative
1606
1:23:43
1:23:45
that was long overdue.
1607
1:23:45
1:23:49
It never should have been like it was to begin with.
1608
1:23:51
1:23:53
Do you think that John F. Kennedy could see
1609
1:23:53
1:23:55
what was likely to happen,
1610
1:23:55
1:23:58
that they were actually planning to undermine education
1611
1:23:58
1:24:01
in the United States and in Europe?
1612
1:24:01
1:24:03
I don't know that a lot of this stuff
1613
1:24:03
1:24:08
is the active undermining of it, like as forethought.
1614
1:24:08
1:24:13
The US Congress very rarely does everything with forethought.
1615
1:24:15
1:24:18
What they do is a knee-jerk reaction
1616
1:24:18
1:24:23
of never letting a good crisis go to waste.
1617
1:24:23
1:24:26
So if you already have some sort of political agenda
1618
1:24:26
1:24:30
and then a thing happens, whatever it is,
1619
1:24:30
1:24:32
well then you say, well, you see, this is the reason
1620
1:24:32
1:24:34
we have to have legislation to control this
1621
1:24:34
1:24:38
and we have to put more control in.
1622
1:24:38
1:24:41
We have the power to make the controls
1623
1:24:41
1:24:44
so we put the control in and oh, by the way,
1624
1:24:44
1:24:47
we're gonna make some money on the deals here.
1625
1:24:47
1:24:50
So how did the bureaucrats get so much power?
1626
1:24:51
1:24:54
That's a really good question.
1627
1:24:54
1:24:59
It is because we now in the United States,
1628
1:25:00
1:25:04
the bureaucrats as civil servants
1629
1:25:04
1:25:09
have far more power than even the president
1630
1:25:10
1:25:13
or the Congress or the judges do.
1631
1:25:13
1:25:17
And because most of the power and control
1632
1:25:17
1:25:22
are not even laws, they're regulations, they're codes.
1633
1:25:25
1:25:30
And so that's been so crazy and a lot of this has to do
1634
1:25:30
1:25:34
with continuance of government policies.
1635
1:25:34
1:25:39
And so you can't fire a civil service worker
1636
1:25:40
1:25:44
for insubordination and for all of these things
1637
1:25:44
1:25:47
because it's under continuance of government.
1638
1:25:47
1:25:51
So literally we can do anything we want to
1639
1:25:51
1:25:52
and you can't fire me.
1640
1:25:54
1:25:58
And that becomes a pervasive type thought pattern
1641
1:25:58
1:26:01
through the federal agencies.
1642
1:26:01
1:26:05
And it extends all the way down to the local courts
1643
1:26:05
1:26:10
and even right now with planning and zoning
1644
1:26:11
1:26:13
and building permitting and stuff like that
1645
1:26:13
1:26:18
that I'm having arguments with
1646
1:26:19
1:26:24
now simply trying to remodel my mother's house.
1647
1:26:25
1:26:29
And the house was built in 1940
1648
1:26:29
1:26:31
and so they're saying, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
1649
1:26:31
1:26:33
if you wanna remodel it,
1650
1:26:33
1:26:36
you have to bring everything up to current codes.
1651
1:26:36
1:26:39
And you can't bring them to current codes
1652
1:26:39
1:26:44
it's because it wasn't even designed for that.
1653
1:26:44
1:26:47
But I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but look right here,
1654
1:26:47
1:26:50
it says right here in this code book.
1655
1:26:50
1:26:53
Yeah, it was Trump writes about big governments
1656
1:26:53
1:26:56
that big government will always fail human beings.
1657
1:26:56
1:27:01
And also did he know that he wouldn't be successful
1658
1:27:02
1:27:04
in reducing big governments substantially?
1659
1:27:04
1:27:07
So I think that he saw the problem.
1660
1:27:07
1:27:10
He can't, he can't, nobody can.
1661
1:27:10
1:27:12
But I don't think he's achieved much in that regard,
1662
1:27:12
1:27:14
the Doherty thing.
1663
1:27:14
1:27:19
He has accomplished way more than I thought
1664
1:27:20
1:27:23
he would ever be able to accomplish in this.
1665
1:27:23
1:27:27
But unfortunately, there is so much baggage
1666
1:27:27
1:27:31
that nobody can do this
1667
1:27:31
1:27:35
and it's in the face of overwhelming opposition
1668
1:27:35
1:27:39
of traitors, seditionists and saboteurs.
1669
1:27:39
1:27:41
And they're all over around us.
1670
1:27:43
1:27:48
And again, why do we have these chemicals in our food?
1671
1:27:48
1:27:52
Well, this is Congress, Congress is allowing that.
1672
1:27:53
1:27:56
Congress is appointing these people heads
1673
1:27:56
1:27:58
of these federal agencies
1674
1:27:58
1:28:00
that are supposed to be the watchdogs.
1675
1:28:00
1:28:05
But instead of the watchdogs for protecting the people,
1676
1:28:05
1:28:09
they're the watchdogs for industry
1677
1:28:10
1:28:13
to protect the industry from the people.
1678
1:28:13
1:28:18
And somehow this got to be so totally subverted.
1679
1:28:18
1:28:21
But yet, just like we were talking about,
1680
1:28:21
1:28:24
let me give you a case in point.
1681
1:28:24
1:28:29
I did this project in California back,
1682
1:28:31
1:28:34
I don't know, several decades ago now.
1683
1:28:34
1:28:39
And it was concerning this crazy rate of,
1684
1:28:43
1:28:48
oh God, that Parkinson's in the Walnut Orchards.
1685
1:28:52
1:28:57
And so why are you having those high rates
1686
1:28:59
1:29:02
of Parkinson's in these areas?
1687
1:29:03
1:29:06
And it was by the farmers and the farm workers there.
1688
1:29:06
1:29:11
Now, look at all of the environmental laws
1689
1:29:11
1:29:14
and the environmental conversation
1690
1:29:14
1:29:16
that you have in California.
1691
1:29:16
1:29:19
If you listen to the politicians,
1692
1:29:19
1:29:23
you would think that California would be the cleanest
1693
1:29:23
1:29:28
and most pristine air and water
1694
1:29:29
1:29:32
and ground in the entire United States.
1695
1:29:32
1:29:35
Diametrically opposed to that,
1696
1:29:35
1:29:40
California, I would say they're the most polluted state
1697
1:29:41
1:29:43
of the air, the ground and the water
1698
1:29:43
1:29:46
in the entire United States.
1699
1:29:46
1:29:51
And this is, a lot of that has to do with the agriculture.
1700
1:29:52
1:29:56
And it's pretty, it's beautiful.
1701
1:29:56
1:30:01
California is a gorgeous state, but it is heavily polluted.
1702
1:30:01
1:30:03
And again, just like we were talking about,
1703
1:30:03
1:30:06
you're taking drinking water
1704
1:30:07
1:30:10
and the things that are in the drinking water,
1705
1:30:10
1:30:12
that which is in the air.
1706
1:30:12
1:30:14
You can go back and look at any environmental studies
1707
1:30:14
1:30:18
and they'll show that two thirds of the population
1708
1:30:18
1:30:23
of California breathe air that is below
1709
1:30:23
1:30:27
the accepted EPA rate.
1710
1:30:29
1:30:33
It's below the lowest standard levels
1711
1:30:33
1:30:35
of acceptable breathing air.
1712
1:30:37
1:30:40
But look at the population, 40 million people.
1713
1:30:40
1:30:45
So you're talking about 25 million people
1714
1:30:46
1:30:48
that are breathing air below the minimum rate.
1715
1:30:48
1:30:52
That's not looking at the air inside people's houses
1716
1:30:52
1:30:53
that they're breathing.
1717
1:30:53
1:30:56
This is the outdoor air.
1718
1:30:56
1:30:59
Well, unless you have active solution
1719
1:31:01
1:31:04
for air quality inside the house,
1720
1:31:04
1:31:09
the indoor as built environment is always going to be
1721
1:31:11
1:31:16
of a lower air quality standard in terms of the out gases
1722
1:31:18
1:31:23
in the air and probably not particulate matter per se,
1723
1:31:23
1:31:27
but in the breathing gases,
1724
1:31:27
1:31:29
the pollutants in the breathing gases,
1725
1:31:29
1:31:32
they're always going to be lower than outside
1726
1:31:33
1:31:36
because the air from outside is what comes in.
1727
1:31:36
1:31:41
There's nothing inside the house that makes breathing air.
1728
1:31:41
1:31:44
Nothing inside the house makes oxygen.
1729
1:31:46
1:31:49
All the oxygen is made out on the open ocean
1730
1:31:49
1:31:53
from phytoplankton and then it's just recirculated
1731
1:31:53
1:31:55
in the wind.
1732
1:31:55
1:32:00
Well, the green plants do their share,
1733
1:32:00
1:32:05
but in most of the areas like in the Amazon basis
1734
1:32:05
1:32:09
actually has a net oxygen production
1735
1:32:09
1:32:14
because you have so much microbial life and insect life
1736
1:32:14
1:32:19
that they consume more oxygen than the trees give off
1737
1:32:19
1:32:24
in some of the largest forest on earth.
1738
1:32:25
1:32:30
So these are all well-known and well-documented seeds
1739
1:32:30
1:32:31
of science.
1740
1:32:32
1:32:36
So back to your question, Stephen, why is it like this?
1741
1:32:36
1:32:38
One of the people allow it.
1742
1:32:39
1:32:42
It's because they're not well-educated
1743
1:32:42
1:32:44
and they get their information from their,
1744
1:32:46
1:32:51
whatever their identity group news channel preference is,
1745
1:32:52
1:32:55
they get it in the six second sound bites
1746
1:32:55
1:32:59
and where your favorite news anchor
1747
1:32:59
1:33:02
is simply reading something off the teleprompter,
1748
1:33:02
1:33:03
they're not even doing it.
1749
1:33:03
1:33:05
They don't even know what it's saying,
1750
1:33:05
1:33:06
they're just reading it,
1751
1:33:06
1:33:08
but they're delivering a script.
1752
1:33:08
1:33:11
It's literally what it is as an actor.
1753
1:33:11
1:33:14
Well, what are they really telling you?
1754
1:33:14
1:33:17
So Meryl, how do we make things better in your opinion
1755
1:33:17
1:33:19
or is it hopeless?
1756
1:33:19
1:33:21
How do you do what?
1757
1:33:21
1:33:24
How do we make things better or is it hopeless?
1758
1:33:24
1:33:29
Well, I'm in the process of helping a nurse practitioner
1759
1:33:30
1:33:35
open up a hyperbaric wellness center now on her ranch.
1760
1:33:35
1:33:39
And so I do this every day, Stephen,
1761
1:33:39
1:33:41
I've done it for decades.
1762
1:33:41
1:33:43
I love doing it.
1763
1:33:43
1:33:45
I do this.
1764
1:33:45
1:33:46
I don't just talk about it.
1765
1:33:46
1:33:47
I do it.
1766
1:33:47
1:33:51
I actively, I go out and I get dirt on my hands
1767
1:33:51
1:33:53
every day doing it,
1768
1:33:53
1:33:56
trying to make the world a better place.
1769
1:33:56
1:34:01
I can't effectuate it across a billion people at a time,
1770
1:34:01
1:34:04
but I can do it a few people at a time.
1771
1:34:04
1:34:09
And just like at my environmental complex in Dallas,
1772
1:34:11
1:34:13
we have over a thousand people a month coming there.
1773
1:34:15
1:34:16
So I do it.
1774
1:34:16
1:34:18
I do it on as large a scale
1775
1:34:19
1:34:24
as I have the financial capability.
1776
1:34:25
1:34:29
I'm hampered by financial capabilities.
1777
1:34:29
1:34:31
But Merrill, you'll be the first to admit
1778
1:34:31
1:34:33
that you can't change the whole universe
1779
1:34:33
1:34:35
with hyperbaric oxygen.
1780
1:34:35
1:34:38
Maybe you can if we educate human beings.
1781
1:34:38
1:34:40
But my question to you,
1782
1:34:40
1:34:43
is it possible to educate human beings
1783
1:34:43
1:34:46
to the required level in the face of all this opposition,
1784
1:34:46
1:34:48
which essentially has weaponized
1785
1:34:48
1:34:50
their stupidity against them?
1786
1:34:51
1:34:56
That is really the salient question, Stephen.
1787
1:34:56
1:34:59
That is the crux of the issue
1788
1:35:00
1:35:05
because it's the overwhelming level of opposition.
1789
1:35:05
1:35:08
And then I mentioned the saboteurs,
1790
1:35:08
1:35:12
traitors and seditionists that are in our midst.
1791
1:35:12
1:35:16
So the people that you think are supposed to be supporting
1792
1:35:16
1:35:21
you are really sabotaging the whole operations.
1793
1:35:22
1:35:26
So it's difficult.
1794
1:35:26
1:35:29
And it really is difficult because most people,
1795
1:35:30
1:35:35
there is this effect in the Dunning-Kruger effect
1796
1:35:35
1:35:37
is one of the fundamentals of a cycle.
1797
1:35:37
1:35:39
Merrill, can I just ask you one thing
1798
1:35:39
1:35:41
that I'm very interested in?
1799
1:35:41
1:35:43
So do you think that we may be,
1800
1:35:43
1:35:48
you and I and others in this group
1801
1:35:48
1:35:50
take things too seriously?
1802
1:35:50
1:35:54
That we should accept that we're here for a short time,
1803
1:35:54
1:35:57
we understand very little.
1804
1:35:58
1:36:02
And no matter how much we struggle,
1805
1:36:02
1:36:03
we're never going to win.
1806
1:36:03
1:36:06
But obviously you could argue that
1807
1:36:06
1:36:08
even if you realize that
1808
1:36:08
1:36:10
you should still try to make things better
1809
1:36:10
1:36:14
because there are advantages to doing that.
1810
1:36:14
1:36:16
You preserve your self-respect,
1811
1:36:16
1:36:18
but actually in the long run,
1812
1:36:18
1:36:20
do we expect too much from ourselves,
1813
1:36:20
1:36:25
from human beings that we see the cats,
1814
1:36:25
1:36:27
cats come into our lives as kittens,
1815
1:36:27
1:36:32
and then they die kind of maybe 20 years later at maximum.
1816
1:36:33
1:36:36
But the fact is they do die.
1817
1:36:36
1:36:38
And the same thing happens to human beings,
1818
1:36:38
1:36:40
but it's not so obvious.
1819
1:36:41
1:36:43
So do we take ourselves too seriously?
1820
1:36:43
1:36:45
And maybe should we maybe concentrate more
1821
1:36:45
1:36:48
on enjoying ourselves and not trying to-
1822
1:36:48
1:36:53
I don't, but I don't take myself seriously.
1823
1:36:55
1:37:00
I take my topic very, very seriously
1824
1:37:00
1:37:05
because the one thing that I accept,
1825
1:37:06
1:37:08
nothing less is excellence.
1826
1:37:08
1:37:10
It's excellence.
1827
1:37:10
1:37:15
You have to be absolutely the best in the world
1828
1:37:15
1:37:17
at whatever it is that you're doing,
1829
1:37:17
1:37:19
irrespective of what it is.
1830
1:37:19
1:37:20
You've got to be the best.
1831
1:37:20
1:37:21
I understand that, yeah.
1832
1:37:21
1:37:24
And with no seconds there,
1833
1:37:24
1:37:28
why is that this fundamental driver?
1834
1:37:28
1:37:32
That's because it's what progresses us as humans.
1835
1:37:34
1:37:38
It's also, I don't take myself seriously,
1836
1:37:38
1:37:43
but I take something that I know who the enemy is.
1837
1:37:45
1:37:50
The enemy is aging, it's disease, and it's death.
1838
1:37:50
1:37:55
So you can come back and you can be the emperor
1839
1:37:57
1:38:02
that says, eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die.
1840
1:38:02
1:38:07
And I'm saying, no, no, that's not accurate.
1841
1:38:08
1:38:12
What is the reason that you're here?
1842
1:38:12
1:38:16
Is it that you just happen to be some organism
1843
1:38:16
1:38:20
that just is just here occupying space
1844
1:38:20
1:38:23
and consuming resources?
1845
1:38:23
1:38:27
And what is your contribution to the planet?
1846
1:38:27
1:38:30
Are you making the planet a better place?
1847
1:38:30
1:38:35
Are you helping the evolution of humanity
1848
1:38:35
1:38:40
as a species or are you a consumer?
1849
1:38:42
1:38:47
How does that actually correlate back to
1850
1:38:49
1:38:52
how many billions of people before us
1851
1:38:52
1:38:56
have walked the planet and without,
1852
1:38:56
1:38:58
you don't even know who they are.
1853
1:38:58
1:39:00
They're totally unnamed
1854
1:39:00
1:39:04
and did not make any contributions to society.
1855
1:39:05
1:39:07
But yet at the same time,
1856
1:39:07
1:39:12
you have the people who made iconoclastic changes in life
1857
1:39:16
1:39:21
that you could really count the true iconoclastic
1858
1:39:21
1:39:26
inventions of humanity across however long it's been.
1859
1:39:26
1:39:31
You literally can count them on the fingers of your hands.
1860
1:39:31
1:39:36
And most somebody in the unnamed person invented a wheel.
1861
1:39:39
1:39:43
Well, but every invention that came from there
1862
1:39:43
1:39:45
simply was taking, okay, whoa,
1863
1:39:45
1:39:49
what I can do is take a stick and put it between two wheels
1864
1:39:49
1:39:52
and I can carry more stuff on it, right?
1865
1:39:52
1:39:54
Because I have an axle on it.
1866
1:39:54
1:39:59
Oh, well, I can add nine more of these axles on there
1867
1:40:00
1:40:02
and I got an 18 wheeler.
1868
1:40:02
1:40:06
You know, that is literally the incremental type
1869
1:40:06
1:40:11
of inventions that have occurred through history.
1870
1:40:11
1:40:15
And in synopsis of your question,
1871
1:40:15
1:40:18
I'm not smart enough to know when to quit.
1872
1:40:19
1:40:22
I know who the enemy is.
1873
1:40:22
1:40:24
The enemy is aging.
1874
1:40:24
1:40:26
The enemy is disease.
1875
1:40:26
1:40:27
The enemy is death.
1876
1:40:28
1:40:32
What is aging?
1877
1:40:32
1:40:34
Is aging a chronological process?
1878
1:40:36
1:40:40
And if it is, what are the modifiers in it?
1879
1:40:40
1:40:45
Well, or is aging strictly a biological process
1880
1:40:45
1:40:50
with no relationship whatsoever to chronology?
1881
1:40:52
1:40:55
And then what is death?
1882
1:40:55
1:40:57
You know, I don't even understand death.
1883
1:40:57
1:41:02
I can visualize and I can mechanistically see life
1884
1:41:06
1:41:09
as we perceive life to be.
1885
1:41:09
1:41:14
I have absolutely no clue what death is
1886
1:41:14
1:41:17
because it doesn't make any sense to me.
1887
1:41:20
1:41:25
But you can look at these things and you can say, okay,
1888
1:41:25
1:41:30
well, I've worked with cancer cells in the laboratory
1889
1:41:33
1:41:38
for decades that are over a hundred years of age,
1890
1:41:39
1:41:44
chronologically that have never aged one single day
1891
1:41:46
1:41:48
in over a hundred years.
1892
1:41:48
1:41:50
How's that theoretically possible?
1893
1:41:52
1:41:54
But yet it is.
1894
1:41:54
1:41:59
So if cancer cells, and if you,
1895
1:41:59
1:42:03
all you gotta do is Google cancer cells immortal
1896
1:42:03
1:42:08
and you will find that all true cancer cells are immortal.
1897
1:42:08
1:42:11
Well, what's the definition of immortality?
1898
1:42:11
1:42:16
And that definition of immortality is that they do not age.
1899
1:42:16
1:42:18
They do not senesce.
1900
1:42:18
1:42:22
There is no such thing as cellular senescence.
1901
1:42:22
1:42:27
Therefore, then why do we see it in normal cells?
1902
1:42:29
1:42:34
Why do we see, you know, when one person has 50 candles
1903
1:42:35
1:42:39
on the birthday cake, they're out playing golf
1904
1:42:39
1:42:41
and playing tennis and everything.
1905
1:42:41
1:42:45
And another person with 50 candles on the birthday cake,
1906
1:42:45
1:42:50
you know, they're basically an invalid
1907
1:42:50
1:42:53
from age-related diseases.
1908
1:42:53
1:42:56
And so then if you go back and you look at historically
1909
1:42:56
1:43:01
at it again, the diseases of, let's just say,
1910
1:43:03
1:43:08
an ancestral population in Northern England
1911
1:43:08
1:43:10
of a thousand years ago,
1912
1:43:11
1:43:16
and then look at that same genetic profile
1913
1:43:17
1:43:21
and look at that same gene pool right now today
1914
1:43:23
1:43:28
and how many of these people live healthy, productive lives.
1915
1:43:30
1:43:34
They're suffering from quote disease
1916
1:43:34
1:43:37
that did not even exist then,
1917
1:43:37
1:43:39
back to the chronic disease states.
1918
1:43:39
1:43:44
These chronic diseases, most of them didn't even exist.
1919
1:43:44
1:43:47
So if they didn't exist, why do they exist now
1920
1:43:47
1:43:48
and they didn't then?
1921
1:43:48
1:43:50
What are these things?
1922
1:43:50
1:43:52
What are the modifiers?
1924
1:43:55
1:43:58
A bit like in my view, COVID doesn't exist.
1925
1:43:58
1:44:02
The diagnosis of COVID-19 was a fraud.
1926
1:44:02
1:44:04
Well, but that's just one thing.
1927
1:44:04
1:44:09
They had a lot of cardiovascular disease, for instance,
1928
1:44:09
1:44:11
heavily, you know, they had high rates
1929
1:44:11
1:44:12
of cardiovascular disease.
1930
1:44:12
1:44:14
They had high rates of-
1931
1:44:14
1:44:15
Who's they?
1932
1:44:15
1:44:18
Metabolic syndromes across the board
1933
1:44:18
1:44:23
and these different types of,
1934
1:44:25
1:44:27
look at so much of the autoimmune disease
1935
1:44:27
1:44:31
is predicated upon molecular biomimicry.
1936
1:44:31
1:44:34
I've been writing a series of papers,
1937
1:44:34
1:44:37
been publishing a series on them
1938
1:44:37
1:44:42
that's iatrogenic disease that the doctors,
1939
1:44:42
1:44:47
the treatment are actually causing the disease.
1940
1:44:47
1:44:52
And just like one was the Janus face of Klebsiella numinae
1941
1:44:58
1:45:02
and its direct implication in the causing,
1942
1:45:02
1:45:07
not associated with the cause of Alzheimer's.
1943
1:45:07
1:45:10
Now, does that mean that Klebsiella,
1944
1:45:10
1:45:12
which is commensal gut microbe,
1945
1:45:13
1:45:18
it causes in these cerebral infective contacts,
1946
1:45:19
1:45:22
it causes Alzheimer's.
1947
1:45:22
1:45:25
Does it cause each and every case of Alzheimer's?
1948
1:45:25
1:45:27
Now I'm not saying that,
1949
1:45:27
1:45:32
but I know that it causes some cases of Alzheimer's.
1950
1:45:33
1:45:38
And so, and I've written a whole lot of papers
1951
1:45:40
1:45:45
than iatrogenic Hashimoto's,
1952
1:45:45
1:45:49
iatrogenic rheumatoid arthritis,
1953
1:45:49
1:45:53
iatrogenic hypothyroidism,
1954
1:45:53
1:45:56
iatrogenic osteoporosis.
1955
1:45:56
1:45:58
And we can go down the line
1956
1:45:58
1:46:01
of at least 20 different maladies there.
1957
1:46:01
1:46:04
And the new paper that I'm writing now
1958
1:46:04
1:46:06
that I'm supposed to be editing right now
1959
1:46:06
1:46:08
and for publication.
1960
1:46:08
1:46:11
And if I can ever get it out
1961
1:46:11
1:46:16
is iatrogenic cerebral mycosis,
1962
1:46:16
1:46:21
which is the pathophysiology
1963
1:46:21
1:46:26
of how you're taking a commensal gut microbe
1964
1:46:26
1:46:31
and the most common cause of this is Candida albicans.
1965
1:46:34
1:46:38
And so the Candidiasis then caused
1966
1:46:38
1:46:42
by taking two things primarily.
1967
1:46:42
1:46:46
And that is three things.
1968
1:46:46
1:46:49
One is antibiotics,
1969
1:46:49
1:46:51
two is protein pump inhibitors
1970
1:46:51
1:46:55
and three is the steroids,
1971
1:46:57
1:46:58
cortical steroids.
1972
1:46:58
1:47:02
And so you add those things together
1973
1:47:02
1:47:05
and it allows fungal colonization of the brain.
1975
1:47:07
1:47:10
So you get these filamentitious fungi,
1976
1:47:10
1:47:14
you get reproductive fungi
1977
1:47:14
1:47:19
or in a host that is immunocompetent.
1978
1:47:21
1:47:23
Then what it does is it just sets up
1979
1:47:23
1:47:26
all of this neuroinflammation,
1980
1:47:26
1:47:29
secretion of a lot of different cytokines
1981
1:47:29
1:47:34
and interleukins, tumor necrosis factor alpha and such.
1982
1:47:34
1:47:39
And you are unable to make a logical, rational,
1983
1:47:40
1:47:45
cognitive conclusion to your thoughts.
1984
1:47:45
1:47:48
And at the same time, you think you are,
1985
1:47:48
1:47:52
you think that you are in control of your thoughts
1986
1:47:52
1:47:56
and emotions and your body and you're not.
1987
1:47:57
1:48:01
The fungi is actually in control.
1988
1:48:01
1:48:04
And let me give you an example of that one.
1989
1:48:05
1:48:10
You go out and you start on a diet.
1990
1:48:11
1:48:16
Let's just say you're gonna start cutting out your carbs.
1991
1:48:16
1:48:17
You're going on a low carb diet
1992
1:48:17
1:48:21
or you're just cutting out all sugars.
1993
1:48:21
1:48:26
And a day or so later, you start having these cravings.
1994
1:48:27
1:48:32
And the craving says, oh man, you need to eat this sugar.
1995
1:48:35
1:48:37
You need to eat these carbohydrates.
1996
1:48:37
1:48:39
You need to eat this.
1997
1:48:39
1:48:44
And it is your brain telling you that you need to eat it.
1999
1:48:47
1:48:51
Well, why is your brain telling you that?
2000
1:48:51
1:48:56
And it's because the fungi is actually the ones
2001
1:48:56
1:49:00
that's doing the talking because that's what they eat.
2002
1:49:00
1:49:04
And that's all they eat is sugars,
2003
1:49:04
1:49:09
whether it's a mushroom on a tree that fell in the forest
2004
1:49:09
1:49:14
when it's eating the lignin cellulose out of that tree.
2005
1:49:16
1:49:21
So back to what is that whole concept of disease.
2006
1:49:22
1:49:25
What is the entire concept of aging?
2007
1:49:26
1:49:28
What are these things?
2008
1:49:30
1:49:35
And as opposed to taking ourselves seriously
2009
1:49:36
1:49:39
or me taking myself seriously, I don't.
2010
1:49:40
1:49:42
I don't take myself seriously.
2011
1:49:42
1:49:47
I take the topic as the most fundamental
2012
1:49:47
1:49:50
and the most important thing in life.
2013
1:49:51
1:49:53
Yeah, I don't make a good sick person.
2014
1:49:54
1:49:56
Yeah, I don't enjoy being sick.
2015
1:49:56
1:50:00
I don't enjoy that stuff.
2016
1:50:00
1:50:01
So therefore it's the opposite
2017
1:50:01
1:50:05
of taking myself seriously because I don't wanna be sick.
2018
1:50:06
1:50:11
And so then you ask the question again,
2019
1:50:12
1:50:17
you ask the question again, why do cancers not age?
2020
1:50:20
1:50:24
And the human body apparently does age, why?
2021
1:50:25
1:50:30
And I mean, where did the DNA of the cancer cells come from?
2022
1:50:34
1:50:36
They're from the human host, right?
2023
1:50:36
1:50:39
Unless they're a transmissible cancer.
2024
1:50:39
1:50:41
And that's another topic.
2025
1:50:41
1:50:45
But then if it's from the human host
2026
1:50:45
1:50:49
and the human host is aging, why doesn't the cancer age?
2027
1:50:51
1:50:55
And these big really interesting questions.
2028
1:50:55
1:50:59
And so as opposed to taking yourself seriously
2029
1:50:59
1:51:04
and not enjoying it, the most fun thing that I can think of
2030
1:51:05
1:51:09
is I can sit around with a glass of wine and cheese
2031
1:51:09
1:51:14
and some friends and have these types of discussions.
2032
1:51:14
1:51:15
Man, that's fun.
2033
1:51:16
1:51:21
And I'm talking about doing it in private in my den,
2034
1:51:23
1:51:28
so that I'm not interrupted by outside influences.
2035
1:51:29
1:51:31
And Steven, I don't have TV.
2036
1:51:31
1:51:33
I don't watch TV.
2037
1:51:33
1:51:35
I don't watch the news.
2038
1:51:35
1:51:40
This stuff is mainly driven by opinions.
2039
1:51:40
1:51:44
People ask me on a daily, often,
2040
1:51:44
1:51:46
what is your opinion on this?
2041
1:51:46
1:51:49
And I say, well, I don't have an opinion on it.
2042
1:51:50
1:51:54
I try to develop rational logical conclusions
2043
1:51:54
1:51:56
from a set of facts.
2044
1:51:56
1:51:58
Give me the facts, ask me a question,
2045
1:51:58
1:52:01
I'll give you a conclusion from it
2046
1:52:01
1:52:03
that is logically derived.
2047
1:52:03
1:52:08
My opinion is confined to things like my wife says,
2048
1:52:11
1:52:15
okay, do you wanna have organic cabbage
2049
1:52:15
1:52:17
or organic broccoli for supper?
2050
1:52:17
1:52:19
Well, I think I want broccoli tonight.
2051
1:52:21
1:52:26
But that's still from a selected set of foods
2052
1:52:26
1:52:28
that I know are healthy
2053
1:52:29
1:52:33
and that are the lowest possible contaminations.
2054
1:52:33
1:52:38
So I wrote back on this very, very topic in 1976,
2055
1:52:39
1:52:44
I wrote a series of papers.
2056
1:52:45
1:52:50
And one was the incontrovertible pillars of health,
2057
1:52:50
1:52:54
which states that the incontrovertible pillars of health
2058
1:52:54
1:52:59
are breathing clean air, number one, breathing clean air.
2059
1:52:59
1:53:02
Number two, drinking clean water.
2060
1:53:02
1:53:06
Number three, eating clean food.
2061
1:53:06
1:53:11
Then the proper diet, proper nutrition, proper exercise,
2062
1:53:11
1:53:14
proper hydration, proper sleep,
2063
1:53:14
1:53:19
the avoidance of exogenous environmental exposures,
2064
1:53:19
1:53:23
not just chemical, but all environmental exposures
2065
1:53:23
1:53:27
and hyperoxygenation of the tissues.
2066
1:53:27
1:53:31
Right back to the oxygen again and the hyperbaric oxygen.
2067
1:53:33
1:53:37
All of these, if you do not do every one of those
2068
1:53:37
1:53:41
incontrovertible pillars of health, you will get sick.
2069
1:53:42
1:53:47
That is also the reason that contained within that
2070
1:53:48
1:53:53
is why you cannot take a patient coming into
2071
1:53:54
1:53:56
a doctor's office.
2072
1:53:56
1:53:59
And especially if it's a hospital office
2073
1:53:59
1:54:04
or a medical center and fix that patient,
2074
1:54:06
1:54:08
it won't happen.
2075
1:54:08
1:54:11
And the reason why it won't happen is because
2076
1:54:11
1:54:14
you have no control over the environment,
2077
1:54:14
1:54:19
because the environment is way more important
2078
1:54:20
1:54:22
than every other factor combined.
2079
1:54:22
1:54:26
And most of these quote diseases
2080
1:54:26
1:54:29
or environmentally induced syndromes to begin with.
2081
1:54:30
1:54:35
They're not, and this comes back to
2082
1:54:35
1:54:38
what the definitions of disease are.
2083
1:54:38
1:54:43
Well, when I grew up in my formative years,
2084
1:54:44
1:54:46
well, we knew what a disease was.
2085
1:54:47
1:54:52
The disease was a systemic infection from a pathogen.
2086
1:54:53
1:54:57
This is the Pasteur-Sturm theory of disease.
2087
1:54:57
1:55:02
Now they're trying to say that Pasteur was
2088
1:55:02
1:55:06
the pseudoscientific thing that is not real.
2089
1:55:06
1:55:09
And I'm going, what are you talking about?
2090
1:55:10
1:55:12
That's nonsensical.
2091
1:55:13
1:55:17
Prometheus is nonsensical because
2092
1:55:18
1:55:23
you know, each and every case of pulmonary tuberculosis
2093
1:55:24
1:55:29
in the world is caused by a systemic infection,
2094
1:55:29
1:55:34
pulmonary infection from mycobacterium tuberculosis.
2095
1:55:35
1:55:38
One, one bug.
2096
1:55:39
1:55:41
Well, then it begs the question,
2097
1:55:41
1:55:45
what a mycobacteria really is to begin with.
2098
1:55:46
1:55:50
And then it begs the question of why, you know,
2099
1:55:50
1:55:55
everybody on this call today has been
2100
1:55:55
1:56:00
continuously exposed to mycobacterium tuberculosis.
2101
1:56:01
1:56:03
But I haven't heard anybody coughing up
2102
1:56:03
1:56:05
bloody sputum on here.
2103
1:56:05
1:56:08
So if you're not coughing up bloody sputum,
2104
1:56:08
1:56:13
because each and every case of pulmonary tuberculosis
2105
1:56:13
1:56:17
in the world has almost identical symptoms,
2106
1:56:18
1:56:20
you're coughing up bloody sputum.
2107
1:56:20
1:56:23
And it's still one of the leading causes of mortality
2108
1:56:23
1:56:25
in the world today.
2109
1:56:26
1:56:30
I mean, it's rampant in the cities,
2110
1:56:30
1:56:32
in the inner cities in California,
2111
1:56:32
1:56:36
especially amongst the homeless populations there.
2112
1:56:36
1:56:41
So how can you say that the germs
2113
1:56:43
1:56:45
theory of disease is not valid,
2114
1:56:47
1:56:51
but also contextually intertwining
2115
1:56:51
1:56:55
the role of the immune system in there?
2116
1:56:55
1:56:59
Going back to Bernard's and Vichamp's
2117
1:56:59
1:57:02
terrain theory of disease.
2118
1:57:02
1:57:05
And the germ theory and the terrain theory
2119
1:57:05
1:57:10
are not only not antithetical to one another,
2120
1:57:10
1:57:15
they're actually inextricably linked together.
2121
1:57:15
1:57:17
You say, okay, well, if your immune system
2122
1:57:17
1:57:21
is functioning properly, then you're not gonna catch it.
2123
1:57:21
1:57:24
Your immune system goes down, you know what?
2124
1:57:26
1:57:28
Then you're gonna get sick.
2125
1:57:28
1:57:32
So you better keep your immune system functioning properly.
2126
1:57:33
1:57:37
And properly means in the proper regulation.
2127
1:57:37
1:57:39
It means you don't want it low
2128
1:57:39
1:57:40
and you don't want it too high.
2129
1:57:40
1:57:42
It has to be balanced.
2130
1:57:42
1:57:47
It's the homeostasis that governs all life.
2131
1:57:47
1:57:52
And so back to how is it theoretically possible
2132
1:57:57
1:58:00
that cancers don't age whenever they're derived
2133
1:58:00
1:58:04
from the DNA of the host?
2134
1:58:04
1:58:09
And Merrill, that was a great talk.
2135
1:58:09
1:58:11
I hope everybody is a lot wiser than they were.
2136
1:58:14
1:58:19
So I think that you were saying that for you,
2137
1:58:19
1:58:23
all these things are perfect conundrums
2138
1:58:23
1:58:27
because they give you unending entertainment.
2139
1:58:27
1:58:28
Is that right?
2140
1:58:28
1:58:32
They do, but I can't say that they're not.
2141
1:58:33
1:58:37
But I can also explain that entire pathophysiology
2142
1:58:37
1:58:42
of how aging is not what people think it is
2143
1:58:43
1:58:46
and why the cancers don't age.
2144
1:58:50
1:58:52
By the expression of telomerase.
2145
1:58:53
1:58:56
And so you express telomerase
2146
1:58:56
1:59:01
and it increases the length of the telomeres.
2147
1:59:01
1:59:05
And you can either have it through alternative
2148
1:59:06
1:59:07
lengthening of telomeres
2149
1:59:07
1:59:11
or through just the straightforward normal process.
2150
1:59:11
1:59:16
And you have the transcription factors then do not senesce.
2151
1:59:19
1:59:21
You have no cellular senescence.
2152
1:59:21
1:59:24
So without the cellular senescence,
2153
1:59:24
1:59:28
you don't have the aging process.
2154
1:59:28
1:59:33
But then, and you can look at exactly that same thing
2155
1:59:33
1:59:35
in regular human cells.
2156
1:59:35
1:59:40
And what the issue there comes back to is that
2157
1:59:41
1:59:45
you have a chemical reaction doesn't complete somewhere.
2158
1:59:45
1:59:48
Why doesn't the reaction complete?
2159
1:59:48
1:59:51
No, reaction doesn't complete properly
2160
1:59:51
1:59:53
because just like we were talking about
2161
1:59:53
1:59:58
from having exposure to atrazine and drinking water.
2162
1:59:59
2:00:04
And then you don't have the conversion of androgen
2163
2:00:04
2:00:05
into testosterone.
2164
2:00:05
2:00:08
You know, it's things as simple as that
2165
2:00:08
2:00:10
and it causes a cascade.
2166
2:00:10
2:00:15
One thing does one chemical reaction doesn't complete
2167
2:00:15
2:00:18
the metabolic byproducts then go back
2168
2:00:18
2:00:20
and it causes another one not to complete.
2169
2:00:20
2:00:24
Another exposure causes other chemical reactions
2170
2:00:24
2:00:25
not to complete.
2171
2:00:25
2:00:30
And that becomes the differentiation between aging it we see
2172
2:00:32
2:00:37
and of the disease states of age related disease
2173
2:00:39
2:00:43
like cardiovascular disease and type two diabetes
2174
2:00:43
2:00:45
and you know, and all of those things
2175
2:00:45
2:00:47
that are age related diseases,
2176
2:00:47
2:00:50
even to the neurological diseases.
2177
2:00:52
2:00:55
And these are just cascades of chemical reactions
2178
2:00:55
2:00:57
that are not completing
2179
2:00:57
2:01:00
and of the metabolic waste byproducts.
2180
2:01:00
2:01:05
You know, and so then, you know,
2181
2:01:05
2:01:09
the question is asked, well, rocks age.
2182
2:01:09
2:01:11
And I'm going, no, they don't.
2183
2:01:11
2:01:13
And they said, well, yeah, but you can look at that
2184
2:01:13
2:01:15
or tree ages or rock ages.
2185
2:01:15
2:01:17
No, they don't.
2186
2:01:18
2:01:19
They weather.
2187
2:01:21
2:01:25
Weathering and aging are two totally different things
2188
2:01:25
2:01:30
because the rocks do not senesce.
2189
2:01:31
2:01:36
So, you know, this stuff, a lot of it goes back to just,
2190
2:01:38
2:01:41
listening to the six seconds sound bites
2191
2:01:41
2:01:46
as opposed to thinking through the equations.
2193
2:01:50
2:01:54
So intuitive in understanding you mean.
2194
2:01:58
2:02:03
And yeah, and the thing, and again, it comes back to
2195
2:02:04
2:02:06
is there even such a thing as time?
2196
2:02:09
2:02:14
And you can easily look at,
2197
2:02:14
2:02:18
and I actually wrote extensively on this back
2198
2:02:18
2:02:20
in the mid 1970s,
2199
2:02:20
2:02:24
that the only time that you have time,
2200
2:02:24
2:02:29
a thing called time is in the entropic cycle
2201
2:02:31
2:02:36
governed by the published second law of thermodynamics.
2202
2:02:37
2:02:40
It states that, you know, energy flows downhill,
2203
2:02:41
2:02:45
water flows downhill, time flows downhill.
2204
2:02:46
2:02:49
Well, they don't all have to flow downhill at the same rate.
2205
2:02:51
2:02:53
Yeah, right, you have modifiers.
2206
2:02:53
2:02:56
Well, a mountain stream flows downhill faster
2207
2:02:56
2:03:01
than a tidal pool at the river at the edge of the ocean.
2208
2:03:04
2:03:09
So time even changes whenever you accelerate in a spaceship.
2209
2:03:11
2:03:16
And, but then what is the, thank you.
2210
2:03:19
2:03:24
But then you beg the question, what is matter?
2211
2:03:27
2:03:28
What is energy?
2212
2:03:29
2:03:34
And looking at, you know, things like that are very,
2213
2:03:34
2:03:37
very common, like what is photosynthesis?
2214
2:03:37
2:03:40
And what is a photosynthetic reaction
2215
2:03:40
2:03:43
and how does a photosynthetic reaction occur?
2216
2:03:43
2:03:46
And what is quantum tunneling?
2217
2:03:46
2:03:49
What is quantum physics?
2218
2:03:49
2:03:53
And does the reaction then that,
2219
2:03:54
2:03:58
like in photosynthesis or in any enzymatic reaction,
2220
2:03:58
2:04:03
does that even occur in a physics
2221
2:04:04
2:04:09
that is governed by the second law of thermodynamics,
2222
2:04:09
2:04:14
that of entropy, or does it not even pertain to it?
2223
2:04:15
2:04:20
And so I'm telling you, the whole thing is related to
2224
2:04:21
2:04:26
whether the energy is in a cohered state
2225
2:04:27
2:04:32
that we would define as being governed by quantum physics,
2226
2:04:33
2:04:38
or whether it is in a decohered state,
2227
2:04:38
2:04:43
which is this thing like this wooden desk here
2228
2:04:45
2:04:47
that we call matter.
2229
2:04:47
2:04:49
It's nothing, you know, it's condensed energy,
2230
2:04:49
2:04:51
still contains all the energy in it,
2231
2:04:51
2:04:56
but the matter is, you know, it's decohered energy.
2232
2:04:57
2:05:02
And so we are binary beings in many regards.
2233
2:05:04
2:05:08
And one of the things there that is very,
2234
2:05:08
2:05:13
very readily observed is that enzymatic reactions
2235
2:05:15
2:05:18
do not occur in classical physics.
2236
2:05:18
2:05:20
They are non-classical.
2237
2:05:20
2:05:24
And so, you know,
2238
2:05:24
2:05:29
whenever you walk out and you walk in front
2239
2:05:33
2:05:37
of a freight train, the freight train is gonna run you over
2240
2:05:37
2:05:40
because it is comprised of matter
2241
2:05:40
2:05:44
and the second law of thermodynamics,
2242
2:05:44
2:05:48
that law of entropy always governs in those things.
2243
2:05:48
2:05:52
But whenever you look at the enzymatic reactions
2244
2:05:52
2:05:55
that occur in photosynthesis,
2245
2:05:55
2:05:58
or the enzymatic reactions that are occurring,
2246
2:05:58
2:06:01
just like we were talking about the conversion of androgen
2247
2:06:01
2:06:04
into testosterone,
2248
2:06:04
2:06:09
and almost all of the reactions within the human body
2249
2:06:09
2:06:12
are actually enzymatic.
2250
2:06:12
2:06:17
Those enzymatic reactions do not occur in classical physics.
2251
2:06:17
2:06:20
They're totally non-classical.
2252
2:06:20
2:06:25
By, you know, and this is cohere energy.
2253
2:06:27
2:06:30
Whenever the energy is cohere,
2254
2:06:30
2:06:33
there is no such thing as time.
2255
2:06:33
2:06:35
Time does not exist.
2256
2:06:35
2:06:38
There's no now, there's no past, there's no future.
2257
2:06:39
2:06:44
And so we live in both of those worlds.
2258
2:06:46
2:06:49
Now, is that in the same universe?
2259
2:06:49
2:06:50
Yeah, same universe.
2260
2:06:50
2:06:54
It's just that one is seen, one is unseen.
2261
2:06:54
2:06:58
And at this stage of our technological evolution,
2262
2:06:58
2:07:03
we have very, very limited knowledge
2263
2:07:04
2:07:09
of the cohere energy and very, very little instrumentation
2264
2:07:11
2:07:13
by which we can even measure any of it.
2266
2:07:17
2:07:21
Meryl, so you've spoken for more than an hour now.
2267
2:07:21
2:07:22
That's brilliant.
2269
2:07:24
2:07:27
Yeah, I don't know how you remember it.
2270
2:07:27
2:07:27
I wasn't paying attention.
2271
2:07:27
2:07:29
You don't seem to get tired either.
2272
2:07:29
2:07:34
So what will Tran do, Meryl?
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I will, I think Charles will publish, you know,
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this that we've talked about now.
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For those who are interested, they can listen, you know,
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whether we'll do it separately, you know,
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so the guests tonight and then you,
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whether we do them separate two videos or one video,
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we'll try and decide that.
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But anyway, would you like a copy of the video
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when it's done?
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Oh, absolutely.
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So that you can, but thank you so much
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for talking to us, Meryl.
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And we can talk again, obviously.
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All right.
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Who do you think, we've had some great guests recently.
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Oh, well, this is on the recording,
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so be careful how you put it.
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I was gonna say-
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You've had some really great guests.
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I'm absolutely astounded at the skill level of your guests.
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I like Peter Tickton
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and you know, the would-be attorney general
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of the United States and Andrew Paquette.
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Also Peter Clements in New Mexico,
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I thought was outstanding.
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You there, Meryl?
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Anyway, Meryl, we'll get a copy of the video to you.
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And if you let me know if it doesn't arrive
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and I'll sort it out.
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Thank you so much.
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You've got a couple of hands up there, Stephen.
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Yeah, I'm gonna stop the recording now, Jeremy,
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so that we'll be able to see the video.
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I'm recording now, Jeremy, so that's...
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Wait a minute.